Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

FF XI Goes Live in Japan

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the wish-i-spoke-japanese dept.

Games 187

Castolari writes "Gameforms reports about the Japanese launch of FF XI, Square's online venture with the series. Apparently, there's some serious technical problems with the server load as well." They also have some Screenshots. I'm still hoping that someone will get the MMORPG right in the not so distant future.

cancel ×

187 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

frost pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536626)

It hurts and stuff, will you please make it stop?

poon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536629)

tang

FP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536630)

I always wanted FB!

jESUS was a Monkey!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536645)

Japan are a sinful bunch!!

Question... (1)

Ixe (547791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536646)

It runs on linux right?
well I wish, but I may get it anyway... here's hopin.

Re:Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536720)

> It runs on linux right?

How many linux people want a linux enabled MMORPG? What's the market like in this area?

I'm the lead programmer and designer for a not-quite-commercial but closed source cross platform mmorpg, but I'm not sure of the market. Anyone care to comment? (but don't ask about my project... I'm not free to comment)

Re:Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536765)

Unless it's closed source, you're bound to have people hacking the code and cheating.
If it's in Linux and closed, everyone will complain. You can't win with Linux nuts. ;)

Re:Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536813)

Ok the previous poster was a nut. To answer your question, Linux has had closed source games on the market and some have done pretty good. (Quake III, The Sims and Myth come to mind) Overall the Linux game market is somewhat mixed. Linux is usualy very popular as a server (Conterstrike) because of its stability. The real power of developing for Linux is better code through cross platform development and the fact that PS2 development is hosted under a linux enviornment. Cross platform code is usualy more robust because bugs that show up on one platform may hide in the shadows on another. Also using different tool chains can help in detecting problems early in the development cycle.

Re:Question... (1)

Ixe (547791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536848)

True, it's not an easy to please crowd...
C'mon I mean we demand stability and security and all that and we also demand that it's free to copy/hack/distribute....
But at the same time, I notice that lots of linux users dual-boot linux and windows (yes I'm even guilty of this sometimes) and they still buy lots of the latest games for windows...
This is the biggest/classic prob w/ linux users and games. Developers don't care because the linux users still buy the windows games because they're "better" (though they'd like them for linux) and they won't make them for linux because linux isn't mainstream enough yet (*WAHHHH*) for a lot of people.
I wish I could guarantee a market for you, but I really can't. If some games came out that ran on linux natively I'd probably buy them if I could afford it just to support the cause and prove that we penguins aren't just cheap geeks...(I'm very heavily on the linux side of the software "war" and I'm sure many other /.ers are as well)

I think I have to say if the game was any good and ran on linux, I'd go for it. (assuming your prices aren't like licensing MS Exchange or something ;) )

Stop sucking linux dick for Karma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537053)

It's freaking pathetic. Take some time, form a coherent, original thought, and post it.

world forge (2, Informative)

filth grinder (577043) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536647)

Check out the World Forge [worldforge.org] project. It's an open source attempt at creating a customizable MMORPG. They need help too with a bunch of stuff, but what they have so far looks really neat. Good stuff.

Interesting moderation again... (OT) (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536895)

A post about (open sourced) WorldForge is marked Informative, while a similar post about Shadowbane is labelled "Offtopic". What gives?

Technical problems, eh? (2, Funny)

Numair (77943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536649)

Looks like Square isn't the only one having serious problems with their servers ...

Re:Technical problems, eh? (1)

ethereal (13958) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536835)

I think Gameforms just went non-live :)

wow (2)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536655)

I think I speak for the entire population of the Universe when I say: "holy cow."

This game looks good.

The one to beat for this Christmas season, that's for sure. (You listening, MS?)

We're rapidly approaching the point where games will be indistinguishable from real life.

Actually, maybe that already happened.

Something to consider.

Stay safe out there, everyone.

Re:Stay safe out there, everyone (4, Funny)

Te1waz (453498) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536707)

You are not kidding.

I had to take the bus to work for a month after playing GTA3...

A. I'd lost the habit of driving on the left side of the road (I live in U.K/Ireland).
B. I had the temptation to mount the pavement to get past slow moving traffic.
C. I could not longer drive 1st person, I'd have to sit on the roof and control the car via a complicated set of cables through the sunroof.

I'm hoping the next version of GTA will have some neato network gaming ability. Imagine being able to hook up with an online cartel, or the thrill of starting a riot with other players or foiling their missions with a well-aimed grenade...

Re:Stay safe out there, everyone (2)

radish (98371) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536809)

Actually after a heavy weekend of it, B kinda came true. That and getting VERY angry when someone cut me up. At that point I decided not to play so much ;)

Re:Stay safe out there, everyone (2, Interesting)

Flarg! (265195) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537047)

My major problem is, while walking, I tend to think, "Hey, I'm tired of walking and that's a nice car! I should just jack it."

Re:Stay safe out there, everyone (2, Funny)

IHavePowers (579272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537068)

I'm to busy looking for hookers to think about all that other stuff. :)

Re: Hookers (3, Funny)

Te1waz (453498) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537172)

This the bit I am dreading about a multiplayer GTA. Then when you stop for a hooker, it'll really be some huge sailer with a beard playing as a hooker and I'll feel really dirty afterwards...

Re:Stay safe out there, everyone (0)

scjelli (569685) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537098)

definately...
i was crossing the street and i saw a car coming at me that wasn't slowing down. my first thought was "where the hell is the strafe button!!"

Your life or my life ? (4, Insightful)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536717)


I don't know about you but for some strange reason playing football (soccer), basketball etc with my mates is for some reason alot more fun than looking at a computer game.

Life isn't watching a TV set, and as good as graphics get, no game will ever equal that feeling as you blast in a shot from 20 yards, or nail a 3 pointer over your work mates.

Games are fun, but if you can't tell the difference between a game and your life... then you need help.

And no game ever will beat the smile you get from your kid first thing in the morning.

Cool game, I might get it, but please... like real life ?

Re:Your life or my life ? (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536832)

no game will ever equal that feeling as you blast in a shot from 20 yards, or nail a 3 pointer over your work mates.

Well maybe your friends don't suck as much as mine. Oh, I forgot, we don't do anything that involves any excercise..

Re:Your life or my life ? (2, Flamebait)

jgerman (106518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536997)

Yeah, keep the elitism to yourself please. You may not think it's elitism but it is. You've basically just said "the lifestyle I choose is better than the lifestyle you choose". Which is not only arrogant, but completely meanigless. There is no more inherent quality in say, playing a sports video game, as opposed to actually playing the sport. It's all part of the personality of the person in question.
Your comment isn't insightful, it's worthless. Who are you to determine what life is, and how someone should live it. I'm sure for people who don't want children (and like games), a game is infinitely better than a smile from a kid.

Re:Your life or my life ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537050)

Some of us can't run farther than from the office to the parking lot without getting winded. Why would we intentionally inflict such pain on ourselves by playing an active sport like that? My heart would probably burst. I'll take sitting on my fat ass any day and playing video games over going out and having a stroke.

Re:Your life or my life ? (2)

zsmooth (12005) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537252)

Funny thing is, it's your lifestyle that will bring on the stroke eventually... Get out and run around a bit, get your heart so it's more than a pile of mush and you'll lessen the chances of having a stroke.

Re:Your life or my life ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537109)

Personally, I'd rather play through a world that people have poured their energy into over years than get all excited about kicking a plastic ball around. I'm not against exercise, or sports that actually have some sort of intrinsic enjoyment, but hockey, soccer, basketball/whatever just don't hold any appeal to me. Sports and Final Fantasy have almost nothing in common anyway... I think by "life-like" the original poster meant that the games were becoming more complicated and more pretty.

Re:Your life or my life ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537123)

I meant to mention skiing as an example of a sport that actually has a point. Swimming/hiking/whatever's okay too.

Re:Your life or my life ? (5, Insightful)

chrysrobyn (106763) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537156)

Life isn't watching a TV set, and as good as graphics get, no game will ever equal that feeling as you blast in a shot from 20 yards, or nail a 3 pointer over your work mates.

I respect your opinion, MosesJones, but I disagree with the spirit of your statement. I'm a 26 year old engineer-- I'm not in the best of shape, but I work out three times a week. There's no way I can keep up with a true athlete, a few of which are my [co-workers|work mates]. "Blasting shots", "nailing 3 pointers", wouldn't mean much to me anyway. But when I can challenge my boss's boss to a game of Rush 2049 in Dave and Busters [daveandbusters.com] , and actually compete, that means a great deal to me. Electronics in this case even the field. He may be 39, but he runs for an hour every day and helps his 16 year old son practice football (American). With my current goals, I couldn't hope to compete athletically. But, I can keep up in a game, and we can have experiences that he'll talk about for months. What does it mean when your boss's boss happily talks about how you almost ran him off the road in a game 4 months after the fact? To me, that means we used the false reality to actually share a personal experience that ends up benefitting our professional relationship in the end.

And no game ever will beat the smile you get from your kid first thing in the morning.

I can't disagree with you there. Some day, God willing, I hope to be able to agree with you.

Re:wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536782)

you've posted 568 comments. were they all this stupid? I think I can distinguish a game from real life. I know I can tell the difference between a TV and real life. I know there is more to life than the rules of a game.

you are a:

KARMA WHORE

or

STUPID FUCK

pick one

In-Game Shots, PS2's Age (1)

nherc (530930) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536789)

The in-game shots [drac.org] are nice... but, you can really see the PS2 starting to show it's age and limitations.

Ouch, and you NEED to by a modem AND a hard drive add-on just to play this. The XBOX, whose online service is kicking off really soon, at $199 with this stuff built in (well the hard drive and ethernet) is looking like the best deal right now.

Plus, it's been hacked [copyxbox.com] . *cough* running unsigned code *cough*

Always willing to help... (1)

Your_Mom (94238) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536659)

Apparently, there's some serious technical problems with the server load as well.

And nothing helps server load problems like a good ol' slashdottin'!!!

play testing? (1)

ryepup (522994) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536661)

So, are they using japan for testing before they release it to the US and Europe? I don't know the sizes of the different markets, but I'm under the impression that those kooky asians play videogames constantly over there, and would be a great group to break in a new technology for other markets that are less tolerant to bugs. Kinda a nationwide beta test, maybe.

Japan and bugs.... (3, Informative)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536739)


Umm lets see so Japan tolerates bugs does it.

Japan has Sony, Nintendo, Panasonic etc etc the consumer gods of planet earth. Why do we like them ? Because they work EVERYTIME.

The US has Microsoft, CDMA, Oracle and the gods of bloatware.

They are testing in Japan because ITS A JAPANESE GAME!

Don't be lulled into a feeling that they can't build things better in Japan.... imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.

Re:Japan and bugs.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536843)

"Don't be lulled into a feeling that they can't build things better in Japan.... imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race."

lolol, how about imagining the Fat Man and Skinny Boy atom bombs v. whatever cheap shit you gooks had in '45, LAUGH

lates to hirochinka laf laf laf

Re:Japan and bugs.... (2, Funny)

t0qer (230538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536847)

Don't be lulled into a feeling that they can't build things better in Japan.... imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.

Actually it depends on what kind of bike/race you're talking about. For pure 0 to 60 speed, no Harley can beat a rice rocket, but once a Harley get's up to speed, it can go indefinetly.

Re:Japan and bugs.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536849)

"Don't be lulled into a feeling that they can't build things better in Japan.... imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race."

Funny that, Honda recently introduced a road bike that features... *gasp!* a V-Twin like engine.

Furthermore, a few years ago, it was common to find Harley badging on many of the Japanese bikes - that's right, people were putting H-D badging on their Hondas overseas, because it's a status symbol.

However, I get the feeling that you were thinking more along the lines of "super bikes", and in that case, compare a Honda bike to one made by, say, Ducatti. Even Harley's new V Rod, while it has roots in motorcycle racing technology, is still considered a touring bike.

Re:Japan and bugs.... (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536887)

Japan has Sony, Nintendo, Panasonic etc etc the consumer gods of planet earth. Why do we like them ? Because they work EVERYTIME.

Never owned a Sony, eh?

Don't be lulled into a feeling that they can't build things better in Japan.... imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.

Image Honda vs. Harley Davidson in a game of chicken...

Re:Japan and bugs.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536921)

Loved all the problems with the cartridge loader on the 8-bit NES, too.

Re:Japan and bugs.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537003)

My NES cartridges have gotten more blowjobs than I have. :-(

Re:Japan and bugs.... (2)

jgerman (106518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537033)


imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.


Don't need to, I've seen it. Well a Buell which is owned by HD. There wasn't a Japanese bike there that could beat the Buell's. In fact the best Japanese bike riders best time's weren't hitting the average Buell time. You want to talk top speed, then we'll talk Japanese bikes, you want to talk handling, we'll talk Buell. It's funny everytime I go to BattleTrax [battletrax.com] I see frustrated Japanese bike riders who realize that for all their elitism, Buell's handle better. It all depends on application. Want to run a superbike track, ok fine the Jap bikes are better. Want to run through the twisties, can't beat a Buell.


I haven't even touched the quality of ride aspect of it, faster does not equal better.

Re:play testing? (1)

Nadir (805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536861)

Sony AND Square are both Japanese companies. That's why it's available over there before it is over here.

Shaky start on a risky road... (3, Interesting)

supercytro (527265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536662)

After their unsuccessful movie venture, Square is walking a dangerous line especially as initial reports are saying that takeup has been relatively poor yet the technical infrastructure is unable to handle even this. Hence, large amounts of dissatisfaction even before the usual problems with cheating and administration...

Re:Shaky start on a risky road... (2, Insightful)

newbiescum (190145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536729)

A few other sites such as Magic Box [vgdirectory.com] are reporting pretty good sales. While expectations are probably different with console gamers versus PC gamers, I haven't seen a PC MMORPG do any better yet. Also, building an initial fanbase is always rocky but if Square is able to stick it out for the long term and the game is good enough that word spreads, they may have the first Everquest on consoles.

Re:Shaky start on a risky road... (2)

iapetus (24050) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536846)

I don't know what 'initial reports' you're reading, but most reports from gaming sites and from people in Japan are saying that the game (and the hardware that goes with it) is sold out pretty much everywhere. Exactly what the initial print run was I have no idea, but that can't be a bad result by anyone's standards...

Re:Shaky start on a risky road... (2)

iapetus (24050) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536911)

Just to add to this, the latest daily charts from Japan show FFXI at number one, overcoming even the mighty sales monster that is World Soccer Winning Eleven 6...

Re:Shaky start on a risky road... (2)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537162)

I don't know if the movie venture they mean is FF: Spirits Within, but I thought that was a pretty good film - good enough to make me want to go out and buy a copy on DVD.

If you're looking for a MMOG that gets it right... (1, Interesting)

Hythlodaeus (411441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536678)

If you're looking for a MMOG that gets it right, look at Shadowbane. (http://shadowbane.ubisoft.com/) Your typical MMOG is like Disney World, you go there, have fun, but have no impact on the place besides giving them money, and all the other people just get in the way. If there's a plot, it turns out the same whether you're there or not. In Shadowbane, you make the plot while building your kingdom Machiavelli-style, then coming after anyone you don't like with ballistas and trebuchets. That sure beats camping monsters, whether or not the monsters come from some big franchise like Star Wars or Final Fantasy.

"Right" means different things to different people (4, Interesting)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536858)

Some people do not like to go after anyone they don't like. Some people even don't like to fight monsters.

Which is fine! A problem that has often been mentioned in relation to MMORPGs is that everyone wants to be a king, a mighty warrior or a mage, and no one wants to play a peasant, underdog or craftsman. Existing MMORPGS have shown that that is not true: plenty of people do not mind roleplaying such a role. The truly succesful MMORPG will either cater to a sufficiently large group of one particular kind of player, or combine a multitude of play-styles, both within the game-world, and by having different worlds for different people (like the normal and the roleplay servers of Dark age of Camelot). I would prefer the second, since it will result in diversity, and create an opportunity to try different playstyles.

That is the hard part, try and make all of the following play styles and roles viable:
- people who like to play solo
- people who like to team up
- Hardcore / casual PvP'ers
- Both casual and full-time players. A big, big problem with many of these games is that low-level characters cannot join up with the more experienced warriors and go hunting together
- Craftsmen, peasants, merchants, diplomats, etc.
- People playing for fame, for gold, for fun or for company.
Also take in mind that people will switch from one role to the other often.

Next is your environment. You need stable servers and good staff, to help out players in trouble, catch grief players and cheaters, and perhaps provide content as well.

Lastly, players need to have an impact on the environment. This can take many forms, but the idea that your actions matter in the game is a big draw for many people.

Most of todays MMORPSs seem to focus on fighting and/or PvP, and have no viable crafter classes. The ever so popular 1st person view makes having conversations with more than 2 people rather hard Compare looking at a tiny chat window that shows all text around you, to the overhead view of Ultima Online, where speech text appears over the heads of the people speaking. Whatever faults that game may have, they got that part right. Lack of meaningful, non-aggressive interaction and having only combat characters as a viable class makes all the current MMORPGs a rather bland experience. Excepting Ultima Online: I have tried all the others, but I have never given up on that one. It is still the game with by far the widest possible range of play styles.

Re:"Right" means different things to different peo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536936)

I'm the designer of A Tale in the Desert [ataleinthedesert.com] - sounds like what you're looking for has lots in common with our game. Our game in fact has no combat, but it is very much a MMORPG.

Re:"Right" means different things to different peo (1)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537185)

Ultima Online had plenty of options for crafting, but it loses its appeal when you see someone selling on eBay the exact same products your charcter labored to make. Guess whos stuff sells faster?

Decisions, decisions (0, Offtopic)

Carnivore24 (467239) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536679)

Now that the XBOX is 199.99 and upcoming release of FFXI this fall in the US(hopefully) I dont know what to do. Should I buy an XBOX and stock up on a few games or save money up for the PS2 ethernet adapter and harddrive for FFXI?

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (0)

Win-Developer (316016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537192)

I would rather play the upcoming Star Wars MMRPG, than Final Fantasy. It's also XBOX exclusive.

Ya know... (1)

Arminius (84868) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536680)

Sometimes it seems that the better looking these games are graphically the worse their gameplay is.

Sometimes eyecandy isnt all it's cracked up to be.

More info (3, Insightful)

jwinter1 (147688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536683)

Check out drac.org for more info (here's their FAQ) [drac.org]

Some of the highlights:
FFXI requires the USB modem and the PS2 harddrive
and CANNOT be played offline.

yen conversion (1)

adamnap (156974) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536686)

According to the bank of canada 1280 yen is about 9.99$ US a month. Not too bad, especially at a flat rate.

Re:yen conversion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536956)

perhaps if the game works, the servers do their job, and it's fun, i might agree with you.

Server load.. (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536687)

Apparently it's not just the FFXI servers that can't handle the load.. anything related to FFXI in any way will buckle because there are zillions of SquareSoft fans hitting "Reload" 18 times per second, a nervous twitch left over from pulling off huge GF boosts in FF8.

Re:Server load.. (1)

IHavePowers (579272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537085)

Your theory is sound, don't forget about them getting in a little "action" when the female characters are on screen.

hey you bastards! (2)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536692)

I was trying to read that site, and then it got slashdotted!

Dammit peoples, what the hell is wrong with you?!

;-)

Re:hey you bastards! (1, Redundant)

t0qer (230538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536725)

Yet another reason for slash to implement some sort of cache ala google.

Re:hey you bastards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536826)

Yet another reason for slash to implement some sort of cache ala google.

This is in the FAQ and has been brought up a million times, but I'm writing to ask what you mean by "yet another reason." A site getting slashdotted is the only reason for doing it and so far the reasons for not doing it outweigh that one reason.

We just need a way to make google cache a site on demand so that Slashdot can prepare for this. Duplicating the effort is not the answer.

Not my fault! (1)

misfit13b (572861) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536698)

Wow, a server crash that /. didn't cause.

Dark Age (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536714)

Dark Age of camelot rocks as a serious online game. It has not crashed on me nor has serious lag like everquest did. I highly recommend it. especially since EQ developers signed a big old contract with microshaft.

"Jisms are best served, when people are lest expecting it" -overheard in IRC #E channel, just tell them mej sent ya....

MMORPG Right? (3, Interesting)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536750)

> I'm still hoping that someone will get the MMORPG right in the not so distant future.

Are you talking about this MMORPG, or MMORPGs in general? IIRC, FFXI isn't trying anything drastically new in the Massively Online RPG arena (besides being on a console. Whoop.)

Watch the past & Are Consoles Ready (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536751)

UO, EQ, AO, AC all had problem starting. Only Camelot had a decent start up and that's only because they've done it all before. Funcom even lost a large chunk of their workforce due to the poor launch and its taken about 6 months to get back on track.
MMPORGs are nothing to be taken lightly and they usually take a minimum of about 2-3 years of development. I honestly don't feel Square is up to the task, a RPG and MMPORG are completely differnet genres and require a completely different approach to games. With thousands of people playing and paying everday your customer service and community connections becomes a large factor, costs, hardware, in game and out of game support, patching, exploiting, bugs and a hundred other things become a daily task that is daunting to say the least.

The other large thing to look at is the console vs. pc. PC users are used to patching things, downloading, dealing with other people, dealing with connectivity issues and with 10 years and counting of online gaming things still work well but not great. Its a slow process and one I don't think the console user is ready for. Your average PC gamer understands ping and packet loss a little bit more and your average MMPORG user knows not to expect to log onto a new server let alone a new game the first week it goes live.

Going from a static game to a MMPORG is like a car making deciding to make planes all of a sudden. Its kind of the same, but not at all.

I congratulate Square in trying to do something new to the console but I think they are going to be nothing more then a guninea pig :)

Just out of TOTAL curiousity... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536755)

...does anyone really care?

Good thing they're getting slashdoted too! (0)

iamwoodyjones (562550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536757)

Ah good. I enjoy it when Slashdoters help their servers out =P

What about other countries? (1)

ChocoboKnight (549139) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536759)

I know the big markets are Asia, US and Europe. But there are thousands of fans here in Mexico and in the rest of Latin America.

Does anyone know of plans for releasing the needed accesories in Mexico?. The local Sony shop does not have a clue about when and if they will sell the PS2 harddrive and modem.

MMORPG are always buggy... live with that... (1)

Kindaian (577374) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536771)

Due to it's huge complexity... MMORPG are bound to be launched with bugs...

Always had and it will be a long time til one is launched without bugs (if ever).

Cheers...

P.S.- mayhappen i will play another MMORPG (played UO, EQ, AO and DAoC)... but they all lack something... when i find what it is...

The online console wars (5, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536788)

So, Round 1 of the console wars is over, with Sony far in 1st place, and Nintendo and the Xbox somewhere in second. (Most of my figures say Nintendo is in the 2nd place slot, but its so close nobody can tell.)

Round 2 has now begun - and it's over before it's even started. Look at the competition:

Sony - spend $150 on a 40 Gigabyte hard drive with ethernet and modem ports. Use with any ISP you with. Developers provide the servers.

The games: Final Fantasy XI, Everquest, and Star Wars: Galaxies

Nintendo - spend $35 on either an ethernet adapter, or a modem. Use with any ISP you want. Developers provide the servers.

The Games: Phantasy Star Online 1 and 2.

Xbox - spend $0 dollars - but you have to sign up for a fee (price unknown, assumed to be $5-$10 a month). Servers maintained by Microsoft (a point that kept that kept EA out of the Xbox online system [slashdot.org] .

The Games: Um....

This is why I sold my Xbox yesterday. (And have exactly enough in store credit that I could get a new one in case the Xbox comes out with something pretty damn cool.)

But so far, Sony is far and away doing the best job with online gaming, and with their partnership with AOL, and the Linux system on the PS2, I think the fears Microsoft had (as detailed in the first part of the book Opening the Xbox [gamerspress.com] , where the Xbox was mainly a reaction to the fear that the PS2 would become a hoome computer), are all coming true.

Totally wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536866)

First off, Dreamcast was round one of the console online wars.

Second off, Sonys plan is absolutely terrible. I don't know about you, but most people will not spend $170+ for a HD+Modem just to get online. XBox has a built-in adaptor and people have gotten online before Sony even got to the door with Halo already.

Third off, Most of Nintendos games will feature online multiplayer (Mario Kart, Tennis, Party, etc) .. Not just PSO.

Round two has just begun, and PS2 will most likely fail due to the hefty price to get online.

Re:Totally wrong... (1)

phong3d (61297) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537011)

...but most people will not spend $170+ for a HD+Modem just to get online

Most people may not, but I will. The problem with console peripherals in the past was there really wasn't any added value other than eye candy - the Genesis' vaporware VR system or its all-too-real (and dreadfully unsuccessful) 32X come to mind, as well as the TurboBooster for the TG16 or the Sega CD (which I liked - I never could get through Sol-Feace though.

Anyway, this is a different situation. Not only will you get a modem/ethernet adapter, but you'll get a hard drive that any game developer can access. This may open the doors for custom football teams, gargantuan RPG's that can be one-time loaded onto the HDD and played without disk switching, new worlds and monsters for Everquest can be immediately downloaded ... the possibilities are far deeper than any previous console add-on has offered, and I think that prior paradigm will give way to the huge leaps this can offer to almost any gamer.

Re:Totally wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537045)

>Sonys plan is absolutely terrible. I don't know
> about you, but most people will not spend $170+
> for a HD+Modem just to get online. XBox has a
> built-in adaptor

Um, PS2 has HD+Modem+*Ethernet* (for DSL). PLUS you aren't locked into Microsoft's proprietary framework (ever used MSN? ugh...). It takes Sony virtually NO TIME to drop the price-- and they'll do that if they need to.

On the other hand, Microsoft will have a lot more work on it's hand trying to expand it's infrastructure so people can do the most important thing... play games online RELIABLY.

Re:Totally wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537228)

In the US the hard drive and network adaptor are sold separately, and a huge number of games won't need the HDD. The network adapter by itself costs $39.95... More than a controller but less than a game. $40 plus no monthly fees beats built-in equipment and $10/month hands-down...

Re:The online console wars (1)

Mika_Lindman (571372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536974)

"Xbox - spend $0 dollars - but you have to sign up for a fee (price unknown, assumed to be $5-$10 a month). Servers maintained by Microsoft (a point that kept that kept EA out of the Xbox online system [slashdot.org].

The Games: Um...."

Halo ?

Re:The online console wars (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537095)

Halo was fine on the Xbox - but since I still believe MS's promise to allow Halo to come to the PC/Mac (especially the Mac), I don't see the need to spend another $300 just for one game.

Unreal Championship - I'll wait for Unreal Tournament 2003 and, again, won't have to spend $300 on the Xbox.

I'm not dissin' the big, green X - but until I see a "must have" game, I don't see the need to own one. (Now, if they brought Sakura Taisen 1-4 for the Xbox to North America, and had Rachel Lillis [voicechasers.org] as a voice actor, then we'd talk.)

Re:The online console wars (1)

newbiescum (190145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537000)

Like the AC said, you have to be really optimistic if you think that the console online wars are over. PS2 online games will also probably have fees (FFXI does). $150 for addons is quite a bit of money considering that the PS2 now only costs $200. I think the pricing will actually drop significantly to $100 or less for both eventually, but that's still a big chunk of change.

X-Box has Unreal Championship and an online version of Halo probably as well as Asheron's Call. I don't recall if SW: Galaxies will be going to PS2, and a quick lookover the FAQ [sony.com] says its undecided.

As a PS2 owner, I think Sony is the only one that has really announced concrete plans, and theirs will launch first in the US unless MS pulls something weird at E3. However, as far as who is in the better position, that's definitely undecided.

Re:The online console wars (2)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537076)

Console add-ons have never worked, ever. $150 for an add-on when an entire XBox is $199. XBox has a lot of online games coming. Just because EA doesn't want to play doesn't mean others won't. There are already one or two other NFL games, Midtown Madness, Unreal, and a few more I read about on IGN the other day. This Christmas should be the real beginning for online console games.

Re:The online console wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537146)

Wow, are you a crappy nostradamus.

Sony is the "winner" by requiring a $150 investment to play a game online? Come again? You do know you can buy another entire console for $200 now, right? A lot of people have a hard time coughing up $150 on console they already own just so they can play online games. Sega Saturn's netlink failed for this reason, as did the 64DD. Historcally, sales of any required add on have been very low, and a $150 one is almost a guaranteed disaster.

The Dreamcast offered this "Developers provide the servers" model that you so highly tout. Most likely you haven't used it, but it sucked. Developers who didn't know how to configure servers, cumbersome and proprietary server browsers (reinventing the wheel from each developing house), lobby interfaces that make Gamespy look advanced. It was crap, it was unstable, and it was unusable. Out of the excellent of sales of NFL2K1, you could find about 500-1000 people online at any given time.

Microsoft has a $0 up front cost, and this is a big deal. The people who want to play online games simply jack in their CAT 5, and they're up and running. Sign up for an account? Maybe it's me, but for a homogenous environment and stable servers, $5-10/month is a fair price to pay. I think game makers should focus on making games, not making proprietary servers and technology suited only to their application, as this is a waste of everyone's time. If you don't like it, vote with your money.

In this case, having an actual vision and making it happen is a good thing. Once the online market establishes itself in consoles, the strategy that Nintendo/Sony are approaching may work, but until then I do not see it happening.

Ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536799)

What the fuck is a FFXI? A special effects machine? And what the hell is square, besides a 2-dimensional figure with the length and width equal?

FFX (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536815)

Okay, so when do we Europeans get Final fantasy X? (Yeah, I know at the end of May)

Final fantasy IV and V were just released (for PSX) and FFVI not long ago. Chrono cross was never released and now we are one game behind even with current Final fantasies.

Good work Square! Fucking two thumbs up!

Re:FFX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537152)

pfft... whiner.

MMORPG (1)

Flower (31351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536817)

I'm still hoping that someone will get the MMORPG right in the not so distant future.

They do. It's called a MUSH. (I'm only slightly kidding here.)

Fingers crossed (3, Interesting)

torinth (216077) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536830)

I'm still hoping that someone will get the MMORPG right in the not so distant future.

Cross your fingers. If Neverwinter Nights [neverwinternights.com] turns out to be any good, it has the potential to be a peer-to-peer MMORPG. You can supposedly interconnect realms hosted on various machines through 'portals'. Granted, you may not be able to get 1000 users in one specific realm if some schmuck is running it in his basement on an overclocked 486, but with sufficient linking of portals, you can really pretend it's a huge single realm.

-Andrew

slashdot effect (3, Informative)

shawnmelliott (515892) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536833)

The site is down but for those who want to see some screens you can go

here [fantasygamer.net]

After looking at the level of detail on this and thinking this is supposed to be multiplayer I don't doubt they have "technical" issues

Console MMORPGs (1)

delphin42 (556929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536837)

I would think they would open up the market for MMORPGs quite a bit. It seems likely that more younger gamers would be likely to play on the console rather than the computer. Also there are a lot of not so technical people who still like to play games. It will be interesting to see how sucessful FFXI, and the other console online games fare.

Re:Console MMORPGs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3536984)

It seems likely that more younger gamers would be likely to play on the console rather than the computer.

You've never played an mmorpg, have you? Kids don't have any problems with computers, it's adults and seniors that get stuck.

How long until (0)

fliptw (560225) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536913)

People start commiting suicide over this game. Seriously. if evercracked managed one, then an FF MMORPG will, unfortunatly, produce many more. then how long until the man starts tighting the screws.

duh (1)

mokomuku (527537) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536933)

ummmm like.. whats an 'MMORPG'?

Re:duh (1)

Dalaram (447015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537139)

MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. The gist of it is that a large server runs a game world, in which many players can connect and interact with each others and their environment with a role playing setting. Some prime examples are Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, and the upcoming Star Wars Galaxies.

Mirrors? (2)

PhoenxHwk (254106) | more than 12 years ago | (#3536976)

Anyone have a mirror? I'm bored at work!

Since its ./ed... (1)

CNERD (121095) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537088)

try here [squareultima.com] for some more ffxi screenshots

Must be running MS software (0)

Anti-Microsoft Troll (577475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537105)

Servers unable to handle the load? Must be running Microsoft.

A fun "underground" MMORPG (1)

reachinmark (536719) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537116)

I'm still hoping that someone will get the MMORPG right in the not so distant future

I just recently found a small but well built MMORPG that is slowly gaining popularity. The game engine itself is constantly evolving to fix bugs and add new features - but is incredibly robust and stable. They have solved most of the MM issues in fairly interesting ways. Check it out! Astonia v3 [astonia.com] (of course, like most sites, a little slash-dotting would probably kill it ;).

Why Final Fantasy XI will survive (1)

IHavePowers (579272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537167)

One great thing about Square and its money making power, is that every now in then it can afford to try to do something different. The movie was a big failure, but from the look of things this game is already a hit in Japan. A few server problems will not destroy Square's chances. Many American MMORPG all had startup problems, but still managed to become a hit. Some consoles have had horrible launches over there and still have the largest installed base. However, the real reason is because it is Final Fantasy. It and Dragon Quest, are some of the most popular games over there. Its like Star Wars over here. You hear all these people talking about play the Star Wars MMORPG. Why, because its Star Wars.

What's with MMORPGs? (2, Interesting)

khyron664 (311649) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537212)

Seriously, what's so great about MMORPGs? Do people just like throwing money away? You have to pay to get the game on your system (whether it be PC or console) and then you have to pay a monthly fee to play the game. Let's take a normal rate of $10/month. That's $120/year just to PLAY a game you probably paid atleast $35 to get, plus the cost of an ISP. Does anyone realize that's just stupid? Do you REALLY need a game that never ends, sucks all your money out of the bank, and withdraws you from a real social life? Why are people happy this is coming to the console games?

I realize everyone's tastes are different, but online games seem extremely expensive to me. Diablo II was a game that never really ended and I just paid a one time flat fee to buy the game. Why would I want to spend even more money to play such a game online?

I've played almost every FF game since FF 1 on NES, and with the exception of FF8, I've largely enjoyed all of them. I am bummed that FFXI is a MMORPG game simply because I begin to wonder if they'll target all their future RPGs for onling play. I will not play online games with the current cost structure (I have a hard time justifying paying $50 for a game and usually wait until they become $20). Square has largely been a reliable source for great RPGs (with a few exceptions), and if they start making online games only, what's left to fill the void? I've always enjoyed RPG games and would be rather upset if they all went online and as such disappeared from my gaming life.

I for one am bummed. Anyone know if FFXII will be online also?

Khyron

Blaa... (1)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537213)

I'm not all that excited about this game.. I have played several of the past ones and found them lacking.. Sure the story and graphics draw you into the game but once you set the game down its very hard to pick back up if you have forgotten what your last objective was.. Then you end up wondering the map asking characters questions until you get an idea of whats going one.. Often I would wonder the map only to hit what seemed like hundreds of those stupid random encounters with monsters.. Sure it levels your characters up but I find the whole pause, click , pause fighting system boring. I'll admit some of the mini games where rather entertaining.

Butterfly Grid (4, Interesting)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3537251)

IBM and Butterfly.net [butterfly.net] are working to create a new network for Massive Mutliplayer Online Gaming. They are hoping to license the technology to companies such as Sony.
Here are some of the highlights:

Unlimited numbers of players within one persistent-state world

Advance, Distributed Artificial Intelligence

Every game genre

Multiple, concurrent games

Any connected device

Hot-swappable components

Shared-source developer sandbox

OT the site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3537275)

No wonder I couldn't connect this morning! I hope /. did not hurt the new gameforms too badly. Finally after a month with out the GIA [thegia.com] they get this site up, and then exprerience the ./ effect a few weeks after launching.
Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>