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A First Look at Netscape 7

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the netscape-stirs dept.

Mozilla 714

David_Bloom writes: "PC-WORLD has released an article giving a rundown of the just-released Preview Release 1 of Netscape 7. An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI."

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FP (-1)

returnofthe_spork (552824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567276)

Natalie Portman's boobs. [tfproject.org] Enjoy.

Re:FP (-1)

Proctal Relapse (467579) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567344)

thank you!

EHEHEHHEHHEH@# (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567370)

r u wet?

(o )( o)

I agree with this post!~

me too? (1)

sporkboy (22212) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567279)

hasn't there been an IE variant to do this for quite a while?

i wouldn't be surprised if there was a gecko one too

Re:me too? (2)

ShaunC (203807) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567317)

>hasn't there been an IE variant to do this for quite a while?

No, but I believe Opera will do this; keeps your taskbar from getting so cluttered. Oh, and only Outbreak Express has variants, I think they still measure IE in revisions ;)

Shaun

Re:me too? (1)

zaffir (546764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567335)

Should you tell it to, Opera will do that. I'd say its one of the best features of the browser.

Re:me too? (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567373)

Actually, there are a number of third party programs that allow tabbed browsing using IE, some are programs that are encapselated in the IE window, others just embed the IE renderer inside themselves, this is the beauty of object oriented code.

Re:me too? (4, Insightful)

debrain (29228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567486)

Less a result of object oriented programming, I would hazard, and more component oriented API. MS COM objects, though hellish beasts of complexity themselves, mitigate and abstract user application complexity. The COM model is in mild competition with the markup model of XUL and XPCOM seen in Mozilla/Netscape, which makes for an interseting debacle, philosophically if not just technically.

Re:me too? (1)

jcw2112 (147992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567331)

not that i know of...if you can find a link to a tabbed IE, please post it.


moz, galeon, etc. have had it forever.

Re:me too? (2, Informative)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567367)

"not that i know of...if you can find a link to a tabbed IE, please post it."

This is to IE as StarOffice is to OpenOffice: The CrystalPort Browser [crystalport.com] .

Re:me too? (3, Informative)

jacoplane (78110) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567459)

Does it add anything to IE that The proxomitron [proxomitron.org] doesn't also add? Besided skinning of course, but I run windowblinds so I don't really want them anyway.

Re:me too? (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567394)

I don't think so....

More like Netscape is to Mozilla as Star Office is to OpenOffice.

IE is a Microsoft product which does not use Gecko in any way that I know of...

-Rusty

Re:me too? (2, Informative)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567358)

Not aware of it being in IE, though I am not running the newest IE.

As Gecko is the html page rendering engine for Mozilla, and Galeon, it on it's own does not have a tabbed interface.

However as just about every aspect of the latest Mozilla and Netscape browsers, from the navigation buttons on down, and possibly up through the frame rendering for the browser itself (the beveled edges on in?) are rendered by Gecko, you could say that it is a feature of Gecko I suppose.

I suppose it depends upon how you interpret things.

-Rusty

Re:me too? (2, Funny)

swright (202401) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567364)

erm, Mozilla and Opera have both done this for ages, and Konqueror will with KDE 3.1 (seems pretty stable in CVS already).

Yay for Tabs! (2)

Chasing Amy (450778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567377)

> hasn't there been an IE variant to do this for quite a while?

No, I don't believe so. There *might* be an unofficial "hack" for it, but if so I haven't seen it. You may be thinking of the "tabbed" taskbar buttons in WinXP, which group taskbar buttons of the same app--say, IE--together, to save taskbar real estate. I don't like it myself, and have it disabled.

Tabbed browsing is indeed a great and helpful idea, though, which I've been using in Mozilla builds. I just have always hated needing multiple windows for browsing, especially when they "cascade" and open up in a different position on the desktop, as they do in IE versions above 4. I'm anal and have all my windows for every app set to open up in one particular place in the middle of my desktop, so that multiple instances sometimes cascade themselves and ruin that. Using Mozilla with tabbed browsing solved that problem, at least regarding websurfing, which usually opens multiple windows.

Just my opinion though...

Re:me too? (2, Informative)

lynnroth (213826) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567406)

Crazy Browser [crazybrowser.com] This is basically a frontend to the IE engine that gives you a tabbed interface and some other nice things.

First (-1)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567281)

Post by an arthritis-ridden bitter old man and his flaccid knobber

This is a story? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567284)

The linked story is like four paragraphs long! I've farted stories longer than that! Oh but it's NETSCAPE so we have to link to every bone-headed article posted by anyone anywhere.

Mushrooms.

4th post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567285)

myuh hahahahahahaha
4th money grip!
eat it!

Tabbed browsing? (3, Funny)

dimer0 (461593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567286)

Am I dunk, or haven't I been using tabbed browsing in Mozilla now since version .5? ..

Could somone enlighten me on why someone would ever want to use Netscape again? .. What added functionality does it provide over Mozilla 1.0/pr2 (build 2002051206) --

OH CRAP! Tomorrow I'm going to get the infamous "Your copy of Mozilla is so-and-so days old. Time to update!".. Can't wait!

Re:Tabbed browsing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567365)

It has AIM as an added feature... AIM being (sort of) closed source, so Mozilla can't get it's hands on it. I say "sort of" because AOL released a java version at one point, which was happily decompilable, so you could see how THEY did things....

Re:Tabbed browsing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567384)

dude...where do you think mozilla came from?
give netscape some slack...it carries A LOT more weight among corporate america than mozilla does, even if mozilla has had tabbed browing since v.5

Re:Tabbed browsing? (3, Informative)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567407)

"Am I dunk, or haven't I been using tabbed browsing in Mozilla now since version .5? .. "

No, it was added sometime in 0.9.x.

Btw one of the symptoms of drunkenness is inability to spell ;-)

[Let the CmdrTaco spelling jokes commence... ;-]

Re:Tabbed browsing? (2, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567411)

Yep, you're drunk. Tabbed browsing was added to Mozilla in (IIRC) the 0.9.7 release. It definitly wasn't 0.5, especially since there never was a Mozilla 0.5 release.

Re:Tabbed browsing? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567416)

Could somone enlighten me on why someone would ever want to use Netscape again? .. What added functionality does it provide over Mozilla 1.0/pr2 (build 2002051206)

Mozilla doesn't put AOL icons all over your dekstop, taskbar, start menu, etc.

Re:Tabbed browsing? (3, Informative)

Aanallein (556209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567425)

What added functionality does it provide over Mozilla 1.0/pr2 (build 2002051206)
As seen in the release notes [netscape.com] and the marketing talk about the features [netscape.com] , netscape 7 includes an integrated icq/aim, favicons in quite a few places where Mozilla has diabled them again, a nifty icon in the status bar showing if cookies are being used by sites, and some older stuff over Mozilla like a spell-checker.
IMO nothing worth switching for, but it does make Netscape 7 a good choice for your average end user.

Re:Tabbed browsing? (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567440)

Take your pick of Mozilla or Netscape, but at the end of the day, stability and support is more important for some people. Netscape also has built-in AIM/ICQ clients and a few other extras (e.g. spellchecker).

so is it still the mozilla base? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567287)

when they forked off back at the 6.0 from mozilla did they continue with parallel development or is is just a rebranded mozilla browser? Granted that isnt a bad thing, but if I have to choose between product A and B and both are the same thing but different packaging.. I'll pick the more open version every time.

Re:so is it still the mozilla base? (5, Informative)

crow (16139) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567302)

This is based on Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 2, so it's pretty current.

Re:so is it still the mozilla base? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567349)

It appears that it is based off of a pre-release 1.0 RC2....so not quite up to date, especially considering RC3 should be out very soon.

Re:so is it still the mozilla base? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567433)

If they keep waiting for the next version that "should be out very soon" then they'd be waiting forever. There's always going to be something newer on the way. (Well, atleast for a long while.)

Re:so is it still the mozilla base? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567415)

Netscape 6.2.x was branched off Mozilla 0.9.4.1.

Netscape 7 will be brached off Mozilla 1.0.

Re:so is it still the mozilla base? (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567438)

"when they forked off back at the 6.0 from mozilla did they continue with parallel development or is is just a rebranded mozilla browser? "

I suspect that Netscape 7 is just a continuation of Netscape 6 from the same tree. Since NS6 earned itself a terrible name from its early problems, they may have jumped a version number to make people take a more fresh and less cynical look at the program.

Re:so is it still the mozilla base? (3, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567474)

Netscape 7.0 is Mozilla 1.0.0 after going through another round of testing. So it should be more stable and offers AIM/ICQ support and integration into Netscape.com. It probably offers a few extra enterprise level facilities such as customisation via the CCK but I don't know what else.

Stick with Mozilla, Folks. (0, Troll)

eyegor (148503) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567289)

As much as I used to like Netscape, they dumb down the Mozilla browser to the point of irritation. That plus they stuff all that AOL nonsense into the product. Blech!!!

tabbed browsing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567294)

Oh, you just wait until Adobe get their hands on that comment...

Optional (1, Offtopic)

Kallahar (227430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567296)

As long as it is optional then I think it is a good idea. The choice should really be up to the user, I was glad to see that both Word and Excel had the option to turn MDI on/off.

Travis

Re:Optional (1)

thaigan (197773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567332)

In Mozilla, it's optional. To use it you either have to change a preference, or right-click and choose it.

Re:Optional (2, Funny)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567383)

Mozilla's (and thus Netscape's) tabs are entirely optional.

Besides, they work much better than the usual "MDI" interfaces - it's just an usual browser window with an added tab row, easily resizable! Much better usability-wise than the disaster that was Opera 5... =)

my review (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567299)

I've been using it all morning on os x. It still sucks. If I wanted tabbed browsing, I'd be using mozilla, which also sucks on os x.

Opera What? (1, Funny)

LaughingOrc (545205) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567301)

Shall I begin the browser war here?

Ummm...interesting feature is old news... (2, Informative)

thaigan (197773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567303)

While I agree that tabbed browsing is one of my favorite features in a browser, it's already old news to us Mozilla/Chimera users;-)

Opera? (5, Informative)

Demon-Xanth (100910) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567304)

Opera's had MDI browsing for quite some time. I still don't know why IE doesn't. It keeps all those popups under control.

Did they? (1)

athlon02 (201713) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567305)

Did they fix the java or javascript or whatever major bug I heard about in 6.x? Does it suck down resources (I have 384MB on my laptop and 256MB on my main machine, so 64MB max wouldn't be too bad, but *STILL* not desirable) ? Does it have that insane startup time? What size is it under MacOS X (10GB HD on a laptop goes by quick!) ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm on 4.79 now and I use netscape plenty, but my reasons for not using 6.x have to do with the above. If they can't trim the size down and make it as speedy, or speedier than 4.7, then count me out for trying 7.x.

Re:Did they? Yes they did (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567404)

ACtually my brother ha a MAC OS/X Itanium Laptop and he says that Mozilla is the fastest browser that he has tried so far (with of course all the features). I would give mozilla a try, It is really stable (more stable than IE on a MS Box). I run it on my linux machines and my windows removable drive...

tabbed browsing (1)

certsoft (442059) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567307)

Opera 6 already has that, I like it. I imagine browsers will evolve into a common set of features over time. Has Microsoft "Innovated" tabbed browsing yet?

Why Mozilla is better than Netscape... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567310)

Pop-up blocking. It's not in Netscape 7.0PR1. The other script blocking options are, though, so it was a very concious decision. However, for Joe Homeuser, Netscape is nice in that they bundle Java and Flash and some other junk that may starting off with Netscape easier. Mozilla is still for the technically advanced (Slashdot?) crowd. Netscape is for the home user who doesn't care, as long as it works. Now, how long until IE7? We all know a higher version means better!

To Keep Score... (1)

GeekLife.com (84577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567315)

This should probably really be called Netscape 5.1.

And when the final release comes out (which sounds like it will be at least RC3, if not RC4), will they be releasing Netscape 8.0?

Re:To Keep Score... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567341)

7.0PR1 is based on Mozilla 1.0RC2. Netscape 7.0 final will be based on Mozilla 1.0 final.

Re:To Keep Score... (2)

GeekLife.com (84577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567376)

Ok, I see that there is some sense in that. Tell me the sense in a full 1.0 increase in Netscape versioning from the last Netscape version. (Netscape 6.0 being based on Mozilla 0.9.8 or so)

Re:To Keep Score... (2)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567387)

This should probably really be called Netscape 5.1.
I suspect AOL's marketing department is responsible for this. One, for those with long memories, Netscape 6.0 wasn't such a smashing browser, being based upon an older cycle of Mozilla. So there's one reason to bump the number. And, let us not forget, IE is still "only" at version 6, and as any dim-whit can tell you, a higher number is better; ergo, Netscape must be better since it is at version 7!
:Peter

Re:To Keep Score... (3, Interesting)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567424)

Plus, it fits in with the New! Easier! AOL! 7.0!

Re:To Keep Score... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567435)

I bet the only reason for such a quick jump to 7.0 (after skilling 5.0 completely) is to match version numbers with AOL...

Oh my (0, Offtopic)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567319)

they said:

"opening this week is 'Browser Wars: Episode 7'"

how I wish that the movie they alude to was real.

SMIL...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567322)

i know IE 6 has it in it... but netscape 6 didn't.... any word if 7 will? i highly like SMIL for the animation properties of it... SO much easier than using javascript for little aesthetic things...

The Article (-1, Redundant)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567324)

First Look at Netscape 7.0: A Good Start Preview of update reveals niceties, including e-mail management tools, multiwindow browsing, and site icons. Tom Spring, PCWorld.com Wednesday, May 22, 2002 Opening this week is "Browser Wars: Episode 7." Like a sequel lumbering into the cineplex, Netscape's latest preview of its Netscape 7.0 browser will battle with Microsoft's Internet Explorer. The browser-building AOL Time Warner division has ratcheted its software with some nifty new features and even some copycat Internet Explorer tricks. A cursory review of the beta version of Netscape 7.0 running on the Windows XP operating system was stable compared to prerelease versions of Netscape 6.x. But download Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 at your own risk, recognizing there are reasons it's still in beta testing. Netscape expects to ship the final version this summer, says Catherine Corre, Netscape communications director. New and Noteworthy Highlights of the new features include Tabbed Browsing; e-mail management tools; and Radio@Netscape, which hooks into AOL's Spinner online music division. The Netscape 7.0 preview release improves what felt like unfinished work with the Netscape 6.x browser. For example, Netscape has restored the Print Preview feature, dropped from Netscape 6.x. It also gave Download Manager a meaningful upgrade, and added support for Site Icons that appear in the URL field and alongside bookmarks. On the downside, installing the preview of Netscape 7.0 over earlier versions of Netscape caused some e-mail confusion. Custom mailbox folders did not appear in Netscape 7.0's Netscape Mail client, and other messages showed up in the wrong folders. Installing the beta Netscape 7.0 browser on a PC that had no earlier versions of Netscape avoided the problems, however. Tabbed Browsing is one of the best new features of Netscape 7.0. With tabs, you can view multiple Web pages within one browser window without cluttering your desktop, and just tab among them. It's a nifty tool for comparing deals across shopping sites, or for grouping several favorite Web pages. You can even save your tabs--under bookmarks (not exactly intuitive). Or you can right-click a Web link and save the tab. The Netscape 7.0 Preview is available in three versions: a 9MB download for the browser only; a 12.6MB download to install the recommended components, including mail, newsgroup reader, and instant messaging software; and a 30.8MB version crammed with audio and video plug-ins along with Sun Microsystems Sun Java 2. E-Mail Applause E-mail junkies who store old messages like pack rats will appreciate Netscape 7.0's attention to Netscape Mail. Netscape steals a design feature from Microsoft, adding a pop-up e-mail alert to your system tray. Within the Netscape Mail client, you can apply Custom Labels to e-mail messages. To group or prioritize messages, you just right-click a message and tag it red, blue, or green. The mail client has also gained a search field. When you're looking for an old message, just start typing the sender's e-mail address or the message's subject line, and the in-box view winnows down to the message you seek. Unearthed from previous versions of Netscape is a nifty filter feature that can help you pare back spam. To stop unsolicited e-mail from a particular sender, you need only click on the offender's e-mail address. A filter dialog box guides you through the process of automatically trashing all future messages from that sender. As for the Mystery of the Missing Folders, Netscape representatives call the e-mail problems with the beta "unique." They say the glitch occurred because the test system had both Netscape 4.7 and 6.2 installed. Upon installation, the Netscape 7.0 preview couldn't determine which old Netscape e-mail folders to associate with. Parental Help On the communication front, Netscape 7.0's instant messaging client supports both ICQ and AOL Instant Messenger, although the networks remain separate. Also noteworthy is the new capability to execute searches by highlighting text embedded on a Web page and selecting "Web Search." The process connects you to your default search engine. New features aside, Netscape still faces a hefty challenge to regain the title of champion browser. The various versions of IE command 93 percent of the global browser market, according to WebSideStory. But signs show the underdog stands a fighting chance. AOL Time Warner, Netscape's parent, has hinted it may drop IE from its America Online client in favor of Netscape. AOL is evaluating the Netscape 7.0 browser's core Gecko engine, says Sol Goldfarb, director of Netscape product marketing. With AOL's powerful market presence--numbering 34 million registered users--Netscape could be poised for a comeback if it replaces IE's role for AOL users. The courts might help. Netscape has filed civil suit against Microsoft, alleging the software maker harmed Netscape with anticompetitive practices related to the Windows operating system. The lawsuit relies on a federal district court ruling that Microsoft abused its monopoly power by cutting deals with PC manufacturers that ultimately hindered sales of Netscape's previous Netscape Navigator browser.

netscape is sloooooow (0, Flamebait)

tcmardoc (556771) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567325)

even evil explorer is faster... quit this shit! the devil is faster for sure.

Sounds familiar.... (1, Redundant)

Cranial Dome (28458) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567334)

"...An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI."
....like Opera?

Re:Sounds familiar.... (1)

davedean (577433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567475)

You stole my reply!! Seriously though, I went back to IE at a friends place a few days ago. It's like being dumped back into the mid-eighties BBS world.

Everything ... takes ... forever ... and it looks crap, eats all the space on your taskbar, and doesnt goddamn shut when you CTRL-F4, it just asks for a new address. Really Intuitive.

And since WHEN did people want their browser and their Email inherently unsplittable ?

If the WWW wasnt so unfriendly when you report yourself as OperaV6, I'd stop reporting as MSIE5.0 - I wonder how many other people have this experience. I'm sure Opera is close to a few percent of users, just no-one knows it!!
-Dave

As Long as It's Not Bulky (1)

KoopaTroopa (549540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567338)

I look forward to the new Netscape release as long as it doesn't feel so freaking bulky to use. That's what kept me in IE for a while, (I know now how bloated _it_ is, as I have discovered Mozilla) Netscape 6's slow loading and generally large feeling.

In case this gets slashdotted... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567340)

A First Look at Netscape 7
Posted by timothy on Wednesday May 22, @03:17PM
from the netscape-stirs dept.
David_Bloom writes: "PC-WORLD has released an article giving a rundown of the just-released Preview Release 1 of Netscape 7. An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI."

As a Web Designer... (1)

donnacha (161610) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567342)


As a Web Designer, this version had BETTER be a goddamn sight more compentant at rendering CSS.

God bless Jacob Nielsen and all that but there was a certain point were the vast majority of designers just washed their hands of even thinking about Netscape Navigator.

Life's too short

Re:As a Web Designer... (1)

brsett (169637) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567428)

*sigh*

If you're a web designer, its disappointing that you're still harping on an event that occurred many years ago (the exodus from netscape). The migration to the mozilla 5 engine is well underway . . .

Re:As a Web Designer... (3, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567443)

Yeah, that certain point was about two years ago, before Netscape 6. Where've you been?

chat client (1)

Black_Logic (79637) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567343)

instant messaging client supports both ICQ and AOL Instant Messenger ... Yay!

I tried the 'everybody' client which also worked on the MSNchat, but like many other things that do everything... it failed miserably at most of them. Can't wait to try it out.

But does it have the features people really need? (-1, Flamebait)

StupidFodder (575698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567355)

Where is the "does not crash mysteriously" feature?

How about the "is actually complete, not a BETA" feature?

Perhaps a "renders popular pages properly" feature would be good as well.

And people actually wonder why IE has overtaken the marketplace... ?!?

Download netscape 7, preview release 1 (5, Informative)

Aanallein (556209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567357)

Although the main netscape site [netscape.com] doesn't yet show this, Netscape 7 PR1 can be downloaded [netscape.com] from netscape.com already.

And although the option for disabling popups has disappeared from Netscape's preferences, so as not to harm AOL's revenues too much, adding this line to your user.js (create the file if necessary) will get you the same functionality:
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

Netscape is like a plane taking off and landing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567359)

It reached its peak altitude at Version 4.79. Now the plane is going down. Check which version gets bundled with Red Hat if you don't believe me.

Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567362)

An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI.

Uh, "especially interesting"? Let's see, Opera has had this for years, and Mozilla/Galeon have supported this for some time as well. It's "especially interesting" if you've been living under a rock for the last year. I hope there's more to Netscape 7 than just that...

Mozilla icon for the story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567363)

Shouldn't it have the Netscape icon since this is a Netscape release?

Browser War (1)

pumpknhd (575415) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567366)

It would be interesting to see how the new browser war pans out.

IE won the browser war partly because it came bundled with Windows. At that time, it was too much of a hassle and too much time downloading Netscape. Now that many have broadband access, downloading Netscape is quick and easy. The effect of bundled software becomes less of an issue. I wonder whether the pendulum will swing back.

Re:Browser War (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567430)

"Now that many have broadband access, downloading Netscape is quick and easy. The effect of bundled software becomes less of an issue. I wonder whether the pendulum will swing back"

that's rich. as if the only issue preventing netscape from succeding was the size of it's download. how many ppl download the 20Mb upgrades/patches/etc to IE?

patent it patent it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567368)

tabbed browsing?

multiple parties use it (and have for a while). if the past few years has taught a /. reader anything its that someone should patent the idea so they can go ahead and sue everyone else that tries to expand on it...

MDI? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567369)

which you can view using a tab-based MDI

I'm a dumbass today (so I am posting AC). What the hell is a "tab-based MDI"? Thanks I will take your answer, offline. Thanks!

Tabbed browsing? (3, Funny)

halftrack (454203) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567374)

Person writing has obviously been using Netscape (and/or IE) a bit too long. Opera [opera.com] is born with it.

Tabbed browsing?! Whoo hoo!! (1)

nooch (538215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567375)

Or you could just download Mozilla. WTF would anyone want to use Netscape for anyways? As far as I know, it may be spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it has always been pronounced Mozilla...

Maybe it's me, but it seems like tabbed browsing shouldn't be the selling point here, not when other browsers already feature it. Sell me on something else.

J

can you say mozilla 1.0 rc1 (2)

gonar (78767) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567378)

already has this.

I'm using it now.

HTML tag? (0)

DomoKun (568619) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567379)

Been using tabs for some days now and like it alot!

So whats the html tag for openwindow in new tab?

Re:HTML tag? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567478)

*hits with clue bar*

HTML is a formatting language.

Tabs (1)

NickRob (575331) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567385)

n especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI.

Huh. While I do like the tabs, it's not a new technology, it's already in Mozilla (been there for a while I believe) and I beleive was in some Mac OS release a few years back (But not in a browser).

Go, try tabs, you'll like them. They're just not new, not even to browsers.

Ctrl-Tab Analogue in Mozilla's Tabbed Browsing? (4, Insightful)

plimsoll (247070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567388)

I've used the rudimentary predecessor to tabbed browsing (Open Link in New Window...) for a while, and I loved that it helps me preserve my stream-of-consciousness while scanning the news.

I'd hoped tabbed browsing would spare me the memory overhead of having all those windows open, but it doesn't have a crucial feature; hotkey cycling through tabs.

After I open a bunch of interesting stories in new windows on Slashdot, for example, I can Ctrl-Tab between windows according to the whims of my rampant ADD.

Alt-Tab between programs, Ctrl-Tab between documents seems to be a pretty accepted convention in the Win32 environment.

Am I missing an undocumented keyboard shortcut here?

MacOS version X (2)

line-bundle (235965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567389)

Is the macintosh version a native MacOS X application?

Re:MacOS version X (5, Informative)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567427)

While it is a native OS X application in the most basic sense of the word, it does not yet use the Aqua interface. For this functionality, check out the Chimera [mozdev.org] browser.

Bundling AOL?? (2, Interesting)

TheNecromancer (179644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567413)

the folks at Netscape are also bundling AOL Instant Messenger and a radio station (Radio@Netscape)

This is not a troll, but I hope they give the option of not installing the AOL IM to end users. M$ has shown us the folly of bundling software in a web browser that must be installed.

Netscape mail to block spam? (2)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567417)

...help you pare back spam...you need only click on the offender's e-mail address

Nice mail feature, but since when did spam come from the same random generated email address?

CNet Also, and ICQ...? (4, Interesting)

instinctdesign (534196) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567420)

CNet [news.com] also has also taken a look at it. Check out their news release [com.com] or the preview/review [cnet.com] , 7 out of 10 if you don't feel like clicking. (and I'm maxed out in karma... so don't start ;) )

But what I really want to know, is if AOL will ever wake the heck up and integrate AIM and ICQ. This may not seem relevant, but from the CNet article:
Even better: this AIM version lets you log on to the ICQ network so that you can talk with ICQ pals, too. Unfortunately, you'll have to log out of one IM to access the other; there's no three-way chatting with friends from the two IM networks.
Now I understand why AOL might not want to integrate with MSN, Yahoo, and the like. But they control both the software development and infrastructure for both AIM and ICQ. Is it simply due to lack of effort that they won't integrate the two? (A little off-topic yes, but since NS7 is/will be just Mozilla 1.0, the parent not really all that interesting news-wise.)

netscape 5 (2, Funny)

abe_is_fun (320753) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567422)

My favorite browser has always been Netscape 5 and I will never, ever, ever stop using it.

FreeBSD binary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567437)

The key question is a FreeBSD binary provided?

Pop-up blocking (1)

ihatelisp (529132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567441)

Although there is an option to prevent javascript pop-ups just like in Mozilla, it doesn't seem to work for me. However, you can still add this line to prefs.js in your user profile folder:


user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

Remember to shutdown Netscape before editing the file, or else your prefs would be overwritten. Hope this will help for those who haven't been following Mozilla tricks closely.

netscape vs mozilla (1)

ukyoCE (106879) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567442)

Isn't netscape just mozilla rebranded with a lot of AOL crap icons and crap? And nice "built-in" "features" like AIM and Winamp and Realaudio and whatever other crap that you could just as easily download seperately if you wanted it?

Tabbed browsing? Not a big deal to me... (1)

DocStoner (236199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567450)

I know it's a matter of preference, but the tab option on browsers doesn't really appeal to me. I can think of more times when I wanted to view multiple browser windows at the same time. (Of course, having my resolution set at 1600x1200 helps a lot.)

My experience with Mozilla was kind of aggravating, especially when I accidently clicked the icon to close the browser and closed all the pages that I had open. Grrrrr!!!

Which version of Mozilla? (1)

Nomad7674 (453223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567452)

Haven't been able to download this yet (not sure if I will - already have Mozilla and Chimera) but I was wondering what version of Mozilla this build is based upon. Is this one of the 1.0RCs or is this an 0.9.9 build? Tabbed browsing is no clue as it has been around for a few builds.


Thanks in advance to the genius with the answer.

Mozilla and Netscape icons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567468)

If this is Netscape news, shouldn't the editor have used the *Netscape* icon?

No mention of Mozilla? (2, Interesting)

n3xu5 (205312) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567469)

Not that it is necessary, but I didn't notice Mozilla mentioned once in the entire article. Gecko was mentioned at the end, but that's about it. Just found that a little odd.

Tip for older systems with small resources (5, Informative)

afflatus_com (121694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567472)

If you are running a Windows OS on an old machine, you may want to try out a run of the free K-Meleon (which despite the name, isn't for KDE):

K-Meleon on SourceForge [sourceforge.net]

Stripped of bloat, Mozilla's rendering engine runs fast and light on a P133Mhz laptop with 16MB.
A sample screenshot is here:
Screenshot of UI and context menu [sourceforge.net]

No extra frills (though popup killing is included)---just fast, stable, and beautiful compliant HTML rendering.

kick ars features (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567473)

Highlight text web searches, ICQ and AIM supported with the IM client, pop-up e-mail alerts, live e-mail searches, and tabs.........this is one cool browser.

Mac OS X version (2, Interesting)

VEGx (576738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567476)

I tried it, and deleted it after a few minutes of use. My reasons?

1. It's not cocoa

1.1. It does not access any of the build-in Mac OS X technology such as spellchecker, and other services (open text in TextEdit, mail selection, etc.)

2. It just looks awful

3. There's no privacy setting that would allow me to block in-page adds.

4. There are other browsers that are better (OmniWeb).

speed factor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3567480)

with all due respect to mozilla/netscape developers, i still find that the speed of mozailla base browsers is much less than IE and Opera. I have several documents from Rosettanet.org web site which are multi-mega bytes and both IE and Opera render them twice faster than mozilla derived browsers (which
are in turn twice faster than netscape 4.7x series). I use IE/Opera for browsing and use Netscape 4.7x for IMAP email.

the most enumerated (1)

rstevens (190122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567483)

wow, this is the seveney-ist browser yet for os x!

30MB? (1)

unsinged int (561600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3567484)

So even though Netscape and Mozilla are very similar, Netscape 7 is a 30MB download while Mozilla is about 10MB?

I can't imagine what they're doing with the other 20MB. Sounds tremendously bloated to me.
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