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Mozilla RC3 Released

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the moz-developers-deserve-laurels-and-gold dept.

Mozilla 555

pjdepasq was one of many reader to submit the news that "Those fine folks at Mozilla.org rolled out RC3 on Thursday I noted. They say it's the last planned release before 1.0, which I'm guessing is right around the corner. As a fan of the project (I'm using it on 3 platforms!), kudos to all of you!" Here are the release notes.

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fp released too !!! (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577591)

ich bin den slashdot meister !

Re:fp released too !!! (-1)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577608)

Scheiße ist gut. Scheiße in meiner Öffnung

JESUS ROCKS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577739)

THIS ONE IS FABULOUS!!! It was written by an 8 year old, Danny Dutton of Chula Vista, CA, for his third grade homework assignment. The assignment was to explain God. Wonder if any of us could do as well???

EXPLAIN GOD

One of God's main jobs is making people. He makes them to replace the ones that die, so there will be enough people to take care of things on earth. He doesn't make grown-ups, just babies. I think because they are smaller and easier to make. That way He doesn't have to take up His valuable time teaching them to talk and walk. He can just leave that to mothers and fathers.

God's second most important job is listening to prayers. An awful lot of this goes on, since some people, like preachers and things, pray at times beside bedtime. God doesn't have time to listen to the radio or TV because of this. Because He hears everything, there must be a terrible lot of noise in His ears, unless He has thought of a way to turn it off.

God sees everything and hears everything and is everywhere which keeps Him pretty busy. So you shouldn't go wasting His time by going over your Mom and Dad's head asking for something they said you couldn't have. Atheists are people who don't believe in God. I don't think there are any in Chula Vista. At least there aren't any who come to our church.

Jesus is God's Son. He used to do all the hard work like walking on water and performing miracles and trying to teach the people who didn't want to learn about God. They finally got tired of Him preaching to them and they crucified Him. But He was good and kind, like His Father and He told His Father that they didn't know what they were doing and to forgive them and God said "O.K."

His Dad (God) appreciated everything that He had done and all His hard work on earth so He told Him He didn't have to go out on the road anymore. He could stay in heaven. So He did. And now He helps His Dad out by listening to prayers and seeing things which are important for God to take care of and which ones He can take care of Himself without having to bother God. Like a secretary, only more important.

You can pray anytime you want and they are sure to help you because they got it worked out so one of them is on duty all the time.

You should always go to church on Sunday because it makes God happy, and if there's anybody you want to make happy, it's God. Don't skip church to do something you think will be more fun like going to the beach. This is wrong. And besides the sun doesn't come out at the beach until noon anyway.

If you don't believe in God, besides being an atheist, you will be very lonely, because your parents can't go everywhere with you, like to camp, but God can. It is good to know He's around you when you're scared in the dark or when you can't swim and you get thrown into real deep water by big kids.

But...you shouldn't just always think of what God can do for you. I figure God put me here and He can take me back anytime He pleases.

And...that's why I believe in God."

Re:JESUS ROCKS! (-1)

Tourettes Troll (578440) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577783)

Jesus is a CUNT .

Sincerely,
Tourettes Troll.

Re:JESUS ROCKS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577803)

Danny Dutton is a CUNT .

Now -that's- progress. (-1, Offtopic)

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1.0 Release (1)

nervlord1 (529523) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577593)

For those of you getting pissed off about a 1.0 release, dont worry, not much longer, there even planning the parties
(i wish i could go, but no ones having one in perth ,what about in the spirit of computer-ness they have a LAN party?)

Re:1.0 Release (1)

VisMono (579940) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577653)

Planning the parties? Lame. Get the release out the door and see how people react to it first, do your party later.

Re:1.0 Release (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577728)

i hate moz.. stupid 20sec rule. but moz is slow and jsut generally awful.

release notes (-1, Redundant)

natmsincome.com (528791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577595)

bugs fixed

second post to ? (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577597)

hey, are you sleeping or what ?

Re:second post to ? (-1, Offtopic)

w4r3z_d00d (569712) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577615)

i want gay [analse.cx] sex right now.!#

In other news... (1, Insightful)

GiorgioG (225675) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577599)

...The Mozilla crew sneezed today. Come on folks - it's just another build with "RC3" tacked onto the name. Yes, it's good that it's nearing "completion" or whatever that means in software terms.

Mac OS X version... (0)

jasenko (97884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577600)

... just as bloated as all previous versions. I like rendering speed, tabbed browsing but something has to be done in bloating department. I haven't tested this version thoroughly so I can't comment much on that other options, but I was a little dissapointed when I saw there was no debugging code in this release and it is still as slow as before.

Re:Mac OS X version... (5, Interesting)

SimonKeogh (181327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577687)


Bloated? A ten meg download that includes browser, mail, news, irc client? And I don't know what machine you are using, but Moz is as snappy as anything else on my computer. I'm sorry, but nothing about this excellent peice of software seems bloated or slow to me. This is by far the best web browser I've ever used IMHO.

Re:Mac OS X version... (1)

SimonKeogh (181327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577695)


Oh, damn it. I didn't see the Mac OSX title, I only read the body of your text. I was of course talking about the windows version on my Duron 950.

Re:Mac OS X version... (1)

Soulslayer (21435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577707)

Moz is way the heck less bloated in "complete" form than any similar browser package is.

And if you want slim and streamlined with all the rendering speed of Gecko checkout Galeon [sourceforge.net] .

Netscape 7 (5, Insightful)

mbrix (534821) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577607)

With the upcoming release of Mozilla 1.0, Netscape 7 will be based on that. I really hope reviewers, developers and users will take a new view on Netscape so Netscape can gain some of the lost market share. I'm tired of seeing websites which simply don't care about Netscape/Mozilla support...

And don't start saying "hey, I don't need Netscape, I want plain Mozilla!". You're right, but Netscape is for (l)users. If Netscape 7 has success, you'll also have more luck surfing the internet with your Mozilla browser.

By the way, MozillaZine [mozillazine.org] is also a great source of information for Mozilla-fans.

Re:Netscape 7 (2, Interesting)

oever (233119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577626)

Unless AOL really starts using Gecko or Linux becomes bit, there's no big chance of Mozilla regaining the market share Netscape lost.

It's just too easy for people to use Internet Explorer. Then there's the issue of embrace and extend: it's easy for M$ to implement the same standards as Mozilla. Then they just add a few new features that are not in the standards, but in all the tools to make webpages M$ sells. And people will feel obliged to use IE.

A few things could help (highly theoretical): lawsuits, ranting users, OSS breakthrough.

Re:Netscape 7 (3, Informative)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577679)

AOL is using gecko. AOL 7 was switched to gecko, thats also why netscape 6.5 was renamed 7.0

Re:Netscape 7 (2, Interesting)

visualight (468005) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577634)

And don't start saying "hey, I don't need Netscape, I want plain Mozilla!". You're right, but Netscape is for (l)users. If Netscape 7 has success, you'll also have more luck surfing the internet with your Mozilla browser.

Well, I need netscape anyway because some sites won't let you install a plugin for mozilla but only netscape or explorer. The installer gives you a choice of one or the other and if you pick netscape it says it couldn't find it. So I install netscape, install the plugin, then copy the files to my mozilla folder.

Last planned release before release (0, Flamebait)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577610)

Well, yes. That's what RELEASE CANDIDATES are.

Sheesh.

Re:Last planned release before release (1, Offtopic)

Kingpin (40003) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577633)


And suddenly I understand your 'ObviousGuy' handle.

MOZILLA IS DYING READ THIS::: (-1, Troll)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577616)

ok, let me explain, than. There are several reasons why _I_ do not support Mozilla, or don't like it as a product. Technical ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ a) startup time is HUGE. b) minimize/maximize time is enermous c) User Interface is *terrible* d) CSS support is far away from being completed e) Mozilla supports broken Netscape table alyout (HTML) Political ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ a) Netscape (AOL Time Warner) is backing Mozilla, and *uses* Mozilla for own *games* AOL needs to protect "icon on genuis Microsoft Desktop"? Let's threat them [MS] that we will use Gecko/Mozilla as an engine in next AOL browser. Again, it's fine with me if AOL or even MS will use Mozilla - but not for *dirty games*, please!... b) Mozilla developers are often paid by Netscape, and those developers do not respect *normal* Mozilla users. To understand it better - compare Mozilla-layout list with, say, KFM-devel, (or Konq-bugs), where key Konqueror developers (and advanced users) are subscribed and *answer questions*, including "what will be in next version" and "when it will be released" Business reasons ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ a) Mozilla is in development almost 4 years but results its developers achieved are not impressive, at all. Again: Mozilla is slow, bloated, consumes a lot of memory and lacks support for many important standards (partially implemented standard can't be called "reference implementation" or "standard compliant implementation") b) it's time to recognize (in case there is a least one Real Manager behind this project) that Mozilla project failed. :-(( It's really a pity, but you can't ignore facts. c) unfortunately, it seems that neither Netscape or AOL itself has good managers. So, may be, it's good time to look for such managers outside?... Again - answer is "no!..." from Netscape. So, what can I say seeing such arrogance from Netscape's side? It's a pity. I wish it could be better. But this is out of my control at a moment. So, if we left political reasons outside, only Technical and Business reasons theirself are enough to recognize that Mozilla is *failing*, if not failed already. That's my opinion, and I strongly back it.

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577618)

Is this the release that makes mozilla at least 50% the speed of IE?

Re:Hmm (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577717)

It's a zillion times faster than IE6 running natively on Tru64, Solaris, AIX, Linux, and any BSD. Or was that NaN times faster? ;)

Re:Hmm (0)

Saloth Sar (559229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577788)

Why don't you use a real OS: Window XP.

YAY MOZILLA! (1, Funny)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577620)

Mozilla makes me moist. I think it's that sexy green lizard...but it might be the ability to turn off pop-under ads.

Re:YAY MOZILLA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577629)

It's actually a red lizard.

Re:YAY MOZILLA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577651)

I get turned on by them pop-ups, pop-unders are a real nono. Worse than baseball.

But them sexy, smooth, silky pop-ups; not even Natalie can compete with 'em.

Microsoft are bad (-1)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577636)

I said Microsoft was bad. Mod me up.

Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (5, Interesting)

Nailer (69468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577638)

It uses native widgets. I.e., unlike a lot of other apps - eg, Microsoft's own Office XP - Mozilla actually uses Windows XP's `styles'. If you get rid of the GreyModern / Netscape 4 themes and replace them with the IE theme, Mozilla actually looks and acts like a rather pleasant and featurefilled native looking web browser for Win32. Without the security holes of IE, plus tabbing, popup control, and lots of other goodies IE doesn't have.

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (2, Informative)

pmsr (560617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577661)

And without the speed of IE too. Honestly, Mozilla (and Netscape 6 for that matter), really redefine the concept of slow and bloated.

/Pedro

Its impossible to have the speed of IE (2, Redundant)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577683)

When IE is part of the OS itself, and Mozilla is just an application running on the OS.

I suppose if you code Mozilla directly into the kernel or directly into explorer.exe, yeah it will be as fast as IE.

Compare the rendering speed of Mozilla and IE and IE is left in the dust though.

Re:Its impossible to have the speed of IE (2, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577694)

Nah, just stick a

SetThreadPriority(hMainThread, THREAD_PRIORITY_TIME_CRITICAL);

Somewhere in the startup code. That'll get rid of those pesky timeslices.

Re:Its impossible to have the speed of IE (2)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577718)



Yeah it will still be slower than IE because your wholee OS will lag behind your browser thus lagging the browser itself.

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (1)

Soulslayer (21435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577686)

On all the Windows systems I run Mozilla on (debug code still in and everything) it runs as fast or faster than IE. Load times are slightly longer, but then again Moz is not built into the OS.

And Gecko sure as hell renders faster than IE. What build did you last run?

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (1)

Soulslayer (21435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577691)

*waits for slash's two minute timer to rundown so that people can flame before he corrects his last post*

I should define "load times" better. I was not refering to render times. I meant the time it takes to launch the browser.

IE wins here only because it is integrated into the OS.

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (5, Informative)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577710)

Edit->Preferences
Click on Advanced
Click in Enable Quick Launch.
Click ok.
Now it'll load just as fast.

I'm sorry people ... (1)

pmsr (560617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577740)

... but whatever you say it doesn't change the big picture. Sure it doesn't run in the kernel, sure it takes more time to load because it is not preloaded - though NS6 can be, and sure it will be slower because that or any other reason under the sun. I am aware of all that. But the performance difference is huge. The interface is slower doing its work, i can even see sometimes the redrawing happening. Some pages are slower to render, i have never seen it render that much faster than IE btw. But even if i can deal with that, there is something i can't deal with. Loading Mozilla RC1 or NS6 with my favourite set of pages plus a Visual Traceroute java applet eats up memory like it was mana. The same pages in IE5.01 eat 29MB ram according to Windows 2000 task manager. When i left Mozilla running it was into 68MB. So, to reply to your comments, interesting as they may be, i will use the words from Galileo - "And yet it moves".

/Pedro

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (0, Troll)

SimonKeogh (181327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577704)


I don't find Moz any slower or bloated than IE. It's a hell of a lot more useable though.

If it's too slow for you than by a Duron 950 like I did, they cost next to nothing.

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (1)

pmsr (560617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577752)

Yes, let's throw some brute force into the matter, like Microsoft always does. "Its slow? Not our fault. Upgrade." Sure. And i am also sure my laptop will be pretty pleased with the new Duron. To imagine i can even fry sausages with the heat it will generate ... yummy! Oh and the delightful sound of the cooling will be a nice touch onto the background silence. :)

/Pedro

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (1)

SimonKeogh (181327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577787)


I've been meaning to check out k-meleon again (http://www.kmeleon.org/) it's a native interface to Gecko. It would prolly be inline with IE speed, though I havent tried it for a while.

Anyway, each to their own. I don't assume Mozilla is the best at everything.

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (1)

pmsr (560617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577796)

That is a great idea. I have been meaning to try it out. Thanks for the reminder. :)

/Pedro

K-Meleon (2)

vrt3 (62368) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577824)

You might have better luck at http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Re:Something interesting about Moz on Windows XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577760)

imagine if Linus had done that. no Linux today i bet

Any ideas as to when... (3, Interesting)

gusnz (455113) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577641)

...the DHTML performance will increase?

The current series has a bad bug in DHTML animation performance [mozilla.org] that I've noticed -- performance regressed in the 0.97 -> 0.98 release, and ever since then rapid animations etc. have often not rendered correctly.

Read through the bugzilla entry there -- apparently some experimental builds have 450% increased JavaScript animation speed, some test are linked to try it out yourself. Does anyone more in touch with the Moz project internals than I have an idea as to when this will be integrated with the main branch of the code -- I heard 1.01 was the target a while back?

I say this as Moz is looking more and more likely to turn up on user's desktops as part of AOL/Compuserve/whatever as they escape from MS's browser licensing terms. Bugs in release candidates are fine (that's what they're there for) but if mass-market NS7 has shortfalls like these, it could spell trouble for JavaScript developers like me.

Anyway, more power to the Mozilla project! It's good to see a truly free, standards compliant, cross-platform browser out there. Looking back a year, I wonder what it'll be like in a year's time...

umm (2)

martissimo (515886) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577677)

sorry to tell you this, but your link to bugzilla is pointless...

you see they are one of the few sites out there that knows to block referrer hits from slashdot (guessin it killed em once or twice, but hey at least they learned)

doesn't mean your point is any less valid, just that bugzilla knows better than to be slahdotted ;)

Solution (1)

rafelbev (194458) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577690)

Just copy the URL in your clipboard. Open a seperate browser instance and paste your url there. Hey presto!

Nothing too difficult :-)

Re:Solution (3, Informative)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577741)

copy & paste? Too hard... :-)

Drag the link onto the tab-bar.

Re:umm (1)

ubernostrum (219442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577693)

So copy/paste and put it in a new window/tab...it's not that hard. Even better, if you're using Galeon (which released 1.2.2 yesterday), select the text of the link and middle-click to open a new tab and paste that as the location...

Re:umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577744)

does copy/paste stop working when someone blocks a referrer?

Anchovies are tasty (-1)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577646)

I said Anchovies are tasty. Mod me up anchovy lovers.

Mozilla will make it.. (1)

spacefight (577141) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577649)

.. at least in my team I'm working in. I already convinced one guy with the no-more-unwanted-pop-up-windows-feature (kicks ass) and two other will have a glance at my mozilla installation because I told them horror-stories about dialers etc which are mostly spread trough IE (the crap). Hopefully, the whole company will switch to Mozilla (I doubt it but anyway) sooner or later. what about mozilla in your companies anyway? already in office pc setups included?

Re:Mozilla will make it.. (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577680)

no more pop ups ?
well it won't make it then : (hint : TiVo)
commercial websites developpers will "cripple" their pages to favour MSIE.
you're a moron.

Some Questions I can't find Answers to... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577657)

1) What version of Mozilla is Netscape 7.0pr1 based on?
2) Is Mozilla ever likely to support the auto-update function that Netscape has just included? (Being a sys-admin of 50-odd M$ boxes makes it a nightmare contemplating to update them all with the latest release)
3) I know the party for 1.0 is June 12th but what is the projected/updated release date?

Re:Some Questions I can't find Answers to... (3, Informative)

sconest (188729) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577754)

1) What version of Mozilla is Netscape 7.0pr1 based on?

As the userAgent string says : "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020513 Netscape/7.0b1"
Thus on the 1.0 branch.

2) Is Mozilla ever likely to support the auto-update function that Netscape has just included? (Being a sys-admin of 50-odd M$ boxes makes it a nightmare contemplating to update them all with the latest release)

It is in the prefs but I doubt it will happen since Mozilla releases are not targeted towards end-users.

3) I know the party for 1.0 is June 12th but what is the projected/updated release date?

The usual response: "when it's ready" :)
But I think it will be ready for that date (pure speculation)

Because you didn't spend any time searching. (1)

yivi (236776) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577763)

N 7.0PR1 is based on M 1.0RC2.

Answer to (2), probably not. That code is propietary and belongs to Netscape. But futurology is a very uncertain science.

There is a thingy called "Roadmap [mozilla.org] ". While there is no definitive date for the final release, it may happen as soon as next week.

Re:Some Questions I can't find Answers to... (2)

Darren Winsper (136155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577771)

1) 1.0RC2
2) I don't know, but I can't find anything in bugzilla about it.
3) Judging from the article at Mozillazine, could be as early as next week.

Yee-Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577663)

Just around the corner!! It's just around the corner, guys!

(How many times have I heard that?)

Moz on 64bit platforms ? (2, Interesting)

jarkko (40871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577666)

Any comments on mozilla running with native 64bit machines ? I'm "running" 1.0rc1 on NetBSD-alpha and it's slow. I could render pages faster using pen and paper. Typing an URL takes about 15 seconds for slashdot.org and rendering the page gives me enought time to fetch coffee.

So, has any tried it on sparc64 or *-alpha ?

Now... (1)

spiney75 (309131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577673)

...if they'd only add a way to configure external mail/news/etc. clients I'd be happy. Too bad it's not gonna happen pre-1.0 I fear.

Building a great barn door after horses are gone (4, Insightful)

schnell (163007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577675)

Please don't get me wrong. I *really* like Mozilla for Linux and MacOS X (Fizzilla) - and this certainly isn't intended to be flamebait - but I can't help but think that these notices are only of interest to the geek community (yes, I know that's Slashdot's audience, but I'm talking about the larger user base here).

I'm very interested in Mozilla's progress (and by extension, Netscape 7.x's progress), but I can't help but think that I'm part of a very small minority of the web-browsing world. (Once again, yes I know that as a Mac user I'm already part of a small minority, but bear with me here). It's great to see that Mozilla is finally nearing the magical 1.0 release, but I can't help but feel that all the time it's taken to get there has made the upcoming blessed event moot for the vast majority of web users.

Regardless of how circumstances have changed in the meantime, we should remember that the Mozilla project was launched at the height of the browser wars, with the objectives of 1.) developing a supremely standards-friendly next-generation browser, and 2.) being an IE-killer. It's pretty clear now that while they superlatively achieved goal #1, they also miserably failed at goal #2 (marketshare figures for any mainstream [especially business] website will attest to this).

As a web designer, I certainly applauded the demise of Netscape 4.x. But I also noticed the lack of adoption for Netscape >=6 and Mozilla, and found (much to my disappointment) that instead of standardizing on standardization, I instead needed to standardize on IE (for Win and Mac; between the two, that's all my company's bosses cared about).

I'd love it if this was really a widely-awaited release along the lines of a new Windows or MacOS version, a new release of Office or Photoshop, or even a new major-number Linux kernel. Instead, this looks like an unfortunately vocal-minority-based event, like a new release of Opera or KDE.

So, I guess my question for other Slashdotters to answer is: how much do we think that the world at large cares about this? Should Mozilla have turned out an inferior product before the larger, non-geek world stopped caring?

Re:Building a great barn door after horses are gon (3, Interesting)

iapetus (24050) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577725)

Well, the AOL/Compuserve shift to Mozilla as a browser will certainly have an impact. That's a lot of users about to start using Mozilla, and hopefully as a result a lot of sites providing HTML that works with it, rather than relying on the flawed assumption that everyone who counts uses IE5.5...

Re:Building a great barn door after horses are gon (2, Redundant)

SkulkCU (137480) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577749)


2.) being an IE-killer. It's pretty clear now that while they superlatively achieved goal #1, they also miserably failed at goal #2

If AOL started using it, things might easily change.

That's the idea, anyway...

Re:Building a great barn door after horses are gon (1)

Drahca (410495) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577750)

To a large extend I agree with your conclusion. Mozilla, although not too little, is too late. But don't underestimate the power of a free, standard compliant webbrowser. If AOL really starts using it, this is just the beginning and the saga will continue. Wether M$ likes it or not.

Still I do not agree with your conclusion that Mozilla should have been released earlier. It was called Netscape 6.0, and was simply not usable and did more damage than good.

Re:Building a great barn door after horses are gon (5, Insightful)

Jondor (55589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577767)

I think that from a webdesigner point of view mozilla as such may not be that big a deal, but in time the underlaying engine WILL show up in all kinds of applications, pda's, phones, cashregisters and software. Since it's cheap, standards-compliant engine with source available.
If this will force the web towards real standards (instead of MS defacto standards of the week) it will be a good thing.

Besides that, I think that a lot of applications which are being developed in Moz. are waiting the 1.0 release before comming out. As I understood, the api's haven't been stable until now.

AOL, IBM etc may disagree... (5, Interesting)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577780)


Today its a mute point because its IE all the way, however with Big Blue pushing Linux to all and sundry, Sun with its StarOffice suite not exactly hindering progress this means that Mozilla does have a chance to push back in the same manner as IE did over netscape first time around.

And the final, and critical, element is AOL... don't underestimate the worlds largest ISP, if AOL switch to Netscape then suddenly its game on again.

So no one cares today, but then no-one cared about IE when it was first released.

Re:Building a great barn door after horses are gon (2, Insightful)

natmsincome.com (528791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577817)

Your right most people don't care about "mozilla" as a browser.

Why should they but the truth is that it's the engine that people will care about. The truth is that all the IE browsers AREN'T IE. Some of them are infact custom browers like NeoPlanet [neoplanet.com] that use the IE API. The same goes for a lot of ebooks, Info Terminals(At Malls etc), AOL (an all the other ISP that come with a custom browser) use the IE api.

Most mum's and dad's will never change the browser or upgrade it. Most of them still probable use IE 4 or 5(depending on when they bought there computer)

Mobile phones are getting browsers and while this is a small market currently it will get bigger and mozilla will most likely get a larger slice of it than IE.

Basically the point I am trying to make is that Mozilla isn't really going to make a big splash as a browser but then again it was never supposed to(One of the first things you read at the web site is for "testing purposes only"). What mozilla does have is alot of partners = other companies that use the rendering engine in there product and this is where I expect mozilla to go well. After all there is nothing worse than to have to say "for my pogram to work you have to first download someone else program which I can't provide legally" or "to fix X bug in my custom browser go to Y site and download the patch to fix there broser which will fix there bug"

The biggest problem is that MS won't fix IE bugs to make it standard becuse that will a)make other browsers work better. b)break either the current IE or the older versions IE. This means that MS is actually encouraged to stay non-standard complient.

I would like to point out .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577676)

..that it's been over a year since Mozilla 0.9 was released (May 7, 2001). More than a year to go from 0.9 -> 1.0 RC3.

This is not competetive.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/08/004625 6&mode=thread&tid=154 [slashdot.org]

Re:I would like to point out .. (1, Flamebait)

jukal (523582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577703)

Mozilla is not in position to make it public with a crappy 1.0 version. Maybe Some other company is :)

When/if the large public tries Mozilla, it has to already have close to same stability as Internet Explorer and something else that lures them away from the (integrated) browser.

Mozilla will have it chances: like security, configuratibility, feasibility to be used in embedded/custom products - but again, it can not afford bad 1.0 publicity. In my opinion, the Mozilla.org crew has played it exactly right by taking the time needed.

Re:I would like to point out .. (0, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577722)

Mozilla is already ahead of everyone.

Mozilla 1.0 is equal to IE 8.0 or whatever.

Mozilla 1.0 is superior to Opera 6.0 or whatever.

Mozilla 1.0 is better than every other browser and its just at 1.0.

Re:I would like to point out .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577733)

The version the public will try will be the bastardised AOL/Netscape version, full of junk no-one should need - and probably with useful features (pop-up blocker, for example) taken out.

Remembering back to the Netscape 6 release, I think AOL will bungle it badly and Moz will remain a browser for niche interests until it loses funding, withers and dies.

It's unfortunate.

A bug that has plagued me since the start (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577684)

Mozilla RC3 STILL has this problem where I get 404 page not found errors, and where I URL to some site like yahoo.com and it gives me the previous site instead, say slashdot.org (if I was reading slashdot before I went to yahoo), etc.

Why do these bugs keep happening? They don't happen in Netscape :(

Re:A bug that has plagued me since the start (2, Informative)

Matrix (290) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577748)

If you're using a proxy, make sure the proxy is HTTP/1.1 compliant. If it's not, you'll get those problems you're talking about. I think if you tell Mozilla to use HTTP/1.0 (Look in Prefs/Advanced/HTTP Networking), it will work with your proxy, but don't quote me on that.

If you're using the JunkBuster, upgrade to Privoxy [privoxy.org] , a newer ad filtering proxy based on the original JunkBuster.

one of many reader? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577689)

>>"one of many reader to submit the news that "

and one's considered "many", because frankly, nobody gives a fuck about RC releases.

Heres the post everyone should read first (5, Informative)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577714)



Basically, this is what posts you'll see.

"IE is faster, Mozilla cant beat IE"

Lets respond to this post right now. OF course IE is faster and always will be faster because its build into the damn OS. MSN msger is faster than ICQ and AIM, anything made by Microsoft should be the fastest considering Microsoft has advantages in terms of knowing the source code of the entire OS.


"IE has won, its too late, Mozilla team should just give up"

Isnt this exactly what the IE team should have done back in 1998 when Netscape 4 was winning 70-30 in terms of percentages?


"Opera's done it all first, Mozilla is copying"

Of course Mozilla and Netscape will copy Opera the same way Opera and IE copied Netscapes Bookmark system.

"Opera is better than Mozilla and IE because its faster"

Are you using Windows? Perhaps you should try linux on your 486, its faster. What? You arent using a 486? Well stop complaining about speed, if Mozilla is slow, its because you are too slow to upgrade

"Mozilla/Netscape cant render page X"

Maybe it WOULD render page X if you stopped using IE and wrote that same msg to the site owner

"Mozilla is bloated and slow"

Try Kmeleon, Galeon, or if both those are slow try lynx.

"AOL isnt supporting Mozilla, why wont they put gecko into their AOL package?"

They have. AOL 7.0 gecko beta. Also try Netscape 7


This ends all arguements you people will have before they begin, the rest of the arguements will be about bugs in mozilla, when will 1.0 release, why mozilla isnt availble for your obscure OS, or why the mozilla team took 4 years to build the best browser.


Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (0, Flamebait)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577737)

Why do I want to run two browsers on my machine when it's already abundantly clear that the one that's already on there now (IE) is faster and more supported by web developers than your POS browser?

Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (2)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577778)

faster at what? and on what machine?

Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577792)

C'mon troll, why not just answer the question?

Here's what you said:

OF course IE is faster and always will be faster because its build into the damn OS

Faster at loading, faster at rendering, faster UI.

On Windows with IE5 or IE6.

Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (1)

ressu (200336) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577791)

The problem with all of this is MS-HTML, which is an incompatible subset of HTML. they allow new attributes for tags, and most of MS tools create incompatible html.

the web developers are making an invalid product if they use some arbituary subset of HTML. i'm really happy that XHTML is coming about, you can finally forget about parsing for bugs, if you parse the file as XML, it will be valid.

(although XHTML bugs on IE, try creating a document with in the )

Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577801)

Why would a web developer be more concerned with standards than with reaching his target audience?

Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577820)

Because if there are no standards who is to say you are reaching your target audience?

Standards make things easier for the developer and mean that the user gets the best browsing experience regardless of who is the market leader this year. Microsofts dominance is not set in stone... so surely standards are better as they ensure future compatability

Re:Heres the post everyone should read first (1)

popeyethesailor (325796) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577813)

Why doesn't Mozilla cook my dinner? :-)

How about fixing bugs from 2000? (0)

pepper_pusher (452533) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577716)

Tons of blocker-level bugs unresolved since year 2000. Not s single bug from those I've submitted (about 10+) has been fixed, although many other users have posted the same bug.

Mozilla/Netscape usage & anti-Netscape sentime (4, Interesting)

galaga79 (307346) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577742)

This is not intended as flamebait by any means, but does anyone know what sort of browser share Mozilla/Netscape have? I have been following and pushing both browsers for the past year, encouraging others to try them out, but when checking the browser statistics for my website they don't have any entry at all. Right now the breakdown for my site is about 97% Internet Explorer 5+ and 3% Netscape 4, which is a real shame. Does anyone out there have any more promising browser usuage stats?

It is also interesting guaging people response to Mozilla/Netscape on sites other than Slashdot. It seems like there is real anti-Netscape sentiment out there, an example being the response to Netscape 7 at deviantart [deviantart.com] where there is loads of "Netscape sucks" one liners. I could be wrong on this, but it seems ever since Netscape 4 a lot of people seem unprepared to give Netscape a second chance. Perhaps it is "cool" to hate Netscape because they are owned by AOL, I don't know

Anyway that aside, Mozilla is great is most definitely stable enough for public consumption as the last few releases haven't crashed on me at all. As soon as I get home I'll download RC3.

Re:Mozilla/Netscape usage & anti-Netscape sent (1)

Robert Frazier (17363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577772)

My site is not commercial. It is in an academic environment. I get a 3/2 relationship for MIE/NS. Lynx still shows up, and opera is making more of a splash. Surprisingly, or not, various worms are the biggest users of my site.

Re:Mozilla/Netscape usage & anti-Netscape sent (2, Interesting)

mce (509) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577806)

In some markets, there still is some hope [slashdot.org] , as I posted not so long ago. The good news is that our percentage Mozilla/NS6 using visitors is rising (albeit slowly). The "bad" news is that we definitely are atypical: yesterday we got about 16% non-Windows visitors.

Re:Mozilla/Netscape usage & anti-Netscape sent (1)

Drahca (410495) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577809)

I am working on a website in the Netherlands where High School student can check how they made their exams.

Yesterday 77.000 unique visitors. 98.78% IE, 0.85% Netscape, 0.11% Gecko type browsers.

Of course these are high school students. I wonder what the stats are for a page like slashdot, or maybe a more independant site like CNN. Has anyone got some info about this?

Re:Mozilla/Netscape usage & anti-Netscape sent (2, Informative)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577814)

How about Google? [google.com]

Re:Mozilla/Netscape usage & anti-Netscape sent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577811)

It's hard to tell. Our counter says 97% IE, but our counter officially DOESN'T WORK IN NETSCAPE.

It's easy to get the results you want, if you don't count those that you don't.

for people with 4+ button mice... (1)

Daltorak (122403) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577743)

I'm sure some people reading this have passed over Mozilla in the past because the "extra mouse buttons" as provided on the nicer Logitech, MS etc. mice that were bound to commands such as "Internet Back" didn't work.

Well, it works now -- musta happened sometime in the last two months, because it wasn't working then.

This was the last major usability flaw that prevented me from finally switching to Mozilla from IE6. Between that and the "native XP theming" support, this is finally a usable browser for me.

I'm no Mozilla advocate or anything, but if you are using IE, at least give Mozilla a shot...

only with microsoft mouse drivers loaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577798)

The back and forward features only work if you're running your proprietary mouse "driver", point32.exe in the case of the Intellimouse.

As soon as you stop loading that driver, the back and forward mouse buttons stop working. For some strange reason, they always work in IE... *queue x-files music*

Personally, I prefer not to load the driver because it makes my system unstable when moving the mouse wheel too much.

Okay how about this? (1)

leihua (541443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577753)

In Netscape (I'm using Windows 98), you can turn off images, but then you can view the images selectively by right-clicking the space where an image should be and choosing "show image" from the menu that appears.

I cant get Mozilla to do this. Looks like it's all images on, or all images off, period. I read where this has something to do with ad blocking. Anyway, is there a way to get Mozilla to do the Netscape trick I describe above?

I want landscape printing ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577759)

May be this is not the most important bug Mozilla still has. However I was really disappointed when I lost this "feature" after the upgrade from V0.9.9 to 1.0rc[123]. I started to unload windoze (maybe is too early ?) from the PCs of my colleagues at work. I am trying to make them switch to linux + openoffice + mozilla. This is a hard task because if people are satisfied by doze+office they aren't eager to switch to another environment that could change, even slightly, the way they do their job.
When one of them called me saying "I cannot print landascape" after the "upgrade" I thought that such a bug could stop the entire process. Open source software must be much better that doze to make people switch.

What's the deal with Phoning Home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577761)

Sure , I expected that a Talkback version would
phone home, but I installed RC 2 on w95b,and
observed the following:

That if Installed rc2 with my modem unplugged,
then when ever I started Moz up , it crashed with
appcomps.dll causing illegal operation.

I noticed it always wants to contact Moz org
when it starts up , when I let it, I could
finally run Naviagator.

The mail program would start up without crashing.

So does Moz need to be activated or something?

I thought that was a Netscape move

Speed (2, Insightful)

JollyTX (103289) | more than 12 years ago | (#3577765)

When discussing a new version of a browser, someone always complains about the speed of $NEWBROWSER. I've never had any problems with browser speed, not on any machine (well, except IBrowse on ye olde Amiga, that was _slow_ ;) ).

Come on, are you guys constantly loading multi-megabytes of HTML into your browsers? I think the biggest problem by far is compatibility and not speed (thanks to lame IE-only sites).

Blah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577768)

Who gives a damn ?

Slashdot != Freshmeat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577775)

...subject says it all...

holy moly (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3577795)

Wow... A new Debian stable and Mozilla 1.0 will be released in the same millennium !!! Ok... It will take Debian another millenium to get Moz 1.0 into stable... but hey.. this is exciting ! And no Woody is NOT officially released yet. They said that is would take a couple of weeks more... that was a couple and a half weeks ago...
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