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Slackware 8.1 rc1 Announced

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the just-hangin'-out dept.

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Demerol writes with word that "about 12 hours ago, Patrick announced the that Slackware is now in Release Candidate stage in preparation for the long-awaited 8.1 release. Hundreds of updated to the current tree in the last few months have had all the slackers drooling, and now it is almost upon us. Now, I don't want to hear any more talk of Slackware being dead. Thanks. ;) Here is the ChangeLog and the Userlocal announcement"

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587543)

1st post

Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587595)

There was an atheist couple who had a daughter. The couple never told their daughter anything about the Lord.
One night, when the little girl was five years old, the parents fought with each other and the dad shot the mom, right in front of the child. Then, the dad shot himself. The little girl watched it all.

She was sent to a foster home. The foster mother was a Christian and took the child to church. On the first day of Sunday School, the foster mother told the teacher that the girl had never heard of Jesus, and to have patience with her. The teacher held up a picture of Jesus and said, "Does anyone know who this is?"

The little girl said, "I do. That's the man who was holding me the night my parents died."

Re:Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587612)

Genuine divine Bible prophecy
Prophecy is foretelling an event in such detail before it happens so as to necessarily require divine guidance. The Bible is a book containing hundreds of detailed prophecies. There are, for example, well over 60 distinct predictions in regard to our divine Saviour Jesus Christ. Here is a sample of just 10 prophecies that foretold the crucifixion of Christ. Not only were the predictions made 1000 years before Christ came from heaven to earth, but they were made over 500 years before crucifixion was first used anywhere in the world as a form of capital punishment! Crucifixion didn't exist when the prophecies were made.

A scientist picked out 48 such prophecies and determined that the probability of one man randomly fulfilling them all is 1 in 10 to the exponent of 157. That is one followed by 157 zeros! Your chances of winning a typical lottery jackpot is about 1 in 108. (100,000,000) Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!

Concerning his birth Prophesied Fulfilled
1. Born of the seed of woman Gen 3:15 Gal 4:4
2. Born of a virgin Isa 7:14 Mt 1:18-25
3. Seed of Abraham Gen 22:18 Mt 1:1
4. Seed of Isaac Gen 21:12 Lk 3:23+34
5. Seed of Jacob Num 24:17 Lk 3:34
6. Seed of David Jer 23:5 Lk 3:31
7. Tribe of Judah Gen 49:10 Rev 5:5
8. Family line of Jesse Isa 11:1 Lk 3:32
9. Born in Bethlehem Mic 5:2 Mt 2:1-6
10. Herod kills the children Jer 31:15 Mt 2:16-18
Concerning his nature Prophesied Fulfilled
11. He pre-existed creation Mic 5:2 1 Pet 1:20
12. He shall be called Lord Ps 110:1 Ax 2:36
13. Called Immanuel (God with us) Isa 7:14 Mt 1:22-23
14. Prophet Deut 18:18-19 Ax 3:18-25
15. Priest Ps 110:4 Heb 5:5-6
16. Judge Isa 33:22 Jn 5:22-23
17. King Ps 2:6 Jn 18:33-37
18. Anointed by the Spirit Isa 11:2 Mt 3:16-17
19. His zeal for God Ps 69:9 Jn 2:15-17
Concerning his ministry Prophesied Fulfilled
20. Preceded by a messenger Isa 40:3 Mt 3:1-3
21. To begin in Galilee Isa 9:1-2 Mt 4:12-17
22. Ministry of Miracles Isa 35:5-6 Mt 9:35;11:4
23. Teacher of parables Ps 78:1-4 Mt 13:34-35
24. He was to enter the temple Mal 3:1 Mt 21:10-12
25. Enter Jerusalem on donkey Zech 9:9 Mt 21:1-7
26. Stone of stumbling to Jews Isa 28:16; Ps 118:22 1 Pet 2:6-8
27. Light to Gentiles Isa 49:6 Ax 13:46-48
The day Jesus was crucified Prophesied Fulfilled
28. Betrayed by a friend Ps 41:9 Jn 13:18-27
29. Sold for 30 pieces of silver Zech 11:12 Mt 26:14-15
30. 30 pieces thrown in Temple Zech 11:13 Mt 27:3-5
31. 30 pieces buys potters field Zech 11:13 Mt 27:6-10
32. Forsaken by His disciples Zech 13:7 Mk 14:27+50
33. Accused by false witnesses Ps 35:11+20-21 Mt 26:59-61
34. Silent before accusers Isa 53:7 Mt 27:12-14
35. Wounded and bruised Isa 53:4-6 1 Pet 2:21-25
36. Beaten and spit upon Isa 50:6 Mt 26:67-68
37. Mocked Ps 22:6-8 Mt 27:27-31
38. Fell under the cross Ps 109:24-25 Jn 19:17; Lk23:26
39. Hands and feet pierced Ps 22:16 Jn 20:24-28
40. Crucified with thieves Isa 53:12 Mt 27:38
41. Prayed for enemies Isa 53:12 Lk 23:34
42. Rejected by His own people Isa 53:3 Jn 19:14-15
43. Hated without cause Ps 69:4 Jn 15:25
44. Friends stood aloof Ps 38:11 Lk22:54;23:49
45. People wag their heads Ps 22:7;109:25 Mt 27:39
46. People stared at Him Ps 22:17 Lk 23:35
47. Cloths divided and gambled for Ps 22:18 Jn 19:23-24
48. Became very thirsty Ps 22:15 Jn 19:28
49. Gall and vinegar offered Him Ps 69:21 Mt 27:34
50. His forsaken cry Ps 22:1 Mt 27:46
51. Committed Himself to God Ps 31:5 Lk 23:46
52. Bones not broken Ps 34:20 Jn 19:32-36
53. Heart broken Ps 69:20;22:14 Jn 19:34
54. His side pierced Zech 12:10 Jn 19:34+37
55. Darkness over the land Amos 8:9 Lk 23:44-45
56. Buried in rich man's tomb Isa 53:9 Mt 27:57-60
His Resurrection & Ascension Prophesied Fulfilled
57. Raised from the dead Ps 16:8-11 Ax 2:24-31
58. Begotten as Son of God Ps 2:7 Ax 13:32-35
59. Ascended to God Ps 68:18 Eph 2:8-10
60. Seated beside God Ps 110:1 Heb 1:3+13

Today, the only way Bible scoffers can explain away this astronomical probability is to discredit the prophecies in one way or another. Their only alternative is to accept that God is the author of the Scriptures. The Bible is a reliable book of genuine divine prophecy. You can trust it!

The evidence of divine prophecy presented here is just a tiny portion of the proofs available to establish the divine origin of the Bible. Yet, they are more than sufficient to prove the inspiration of the Bible. There will always be men who scoff at the Bible. You, however, can be confident when you read your Bible that God is the author, for it is written:

"We constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God's message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God" (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

Re:Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587643)

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
The New Testament was written 400 years after the events it described allegedly took place. A bit of artistic license maybe?

Re:Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587652)

And people still win the lottery, so I think you've lost most of your point... get over it!

Re:Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587620)

Jesus sucks donkey dick.

Re:Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587629)

The little girl said, "I do. That's the man who was holding me the night my parents died."

Hey, no fair!

You didn't finish the story! I'll finish it for you.

The little girl said, "I do. That's the man who was holding me the night my parents died."

The teacher was amazed and asked the little girl about this friendly man.

"I woke up and there was a man in my bed. He held me gently and told me not to be scared.", the little girl began. "Then he said he would make me feel wonderful. He pulled down my jimjams and touched me in that very special place. I told him that my new mom had told me not to touch myself there, because God says it is sin. The nice man laughed and rubbed me down there and he was right. It felt wonderful! Then he said that he is Jesus, the son of God, and he knows this is not wrong."

Re:Slackware is dead but Jesus Rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587673)

Gosh! Maybe the police should start using Bible artists for photofits!

TROLLING IS DYING! L0L0L0L0L0L! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587630)

Trolling is dying AND GAY!


L0L0L0L0L!

Come on people (0, Interesting)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587548)

Gentoo's where its at now.

Re:Come on people (2)

Baki (72515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587557)

At first sight. At second sight Slackwares simplicity and stability is refreshing and unmatched, especially by Gentoo.

This from an ex-FreeBSD user that instinctively started with Gentoo, but who was very dissapointed; it is only superficially like FreeBSD (due to the ports system) but on closer look it is very diffent. Slackware truely remains the best choice if you're forced to run Linux (instead of FreeBSD), in my case because of lack of vmware-3 and decent Java in FreeBSD.

Re:Come on people (0)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587587)

Well, i'd rather take a Linux distro with a ports system rather than one without.

Re:Come on people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587641)

umm, doesn't freebsd have a linux binary compatability?
I run java and vmware with no problems

Slacware is dying? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587551)

Did anyone read that report explaining that Slackware now has fewer users than BSD -- somewhere in the region of 2 to 4 of them?

TROLLING IS DYING! L0L0L0L0L0L! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587596)

Trolling is dying AND GAY!


L0L0L0L0L0L!

Re:Slacware is dying? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587663)

Actually there is six of us. And we all have extremely big d*cks.

Re:Slacware is dying? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587675)

And we all have extremely big d*cks.

Really? Are your ducks genetically engineered or just naturally big?

bah (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587553)

The only distro more outdated, behind the times, and just stubbornly stuck on stupid than debian is slackware.

Re:bah (5, Insightful)

Baki (72515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587564)

Have you looked at the package list? It is one of the most up-to-date Linux distributions in fact; just look at the package versions and compare to any other Linux distribution. All this coming from one man, and offering the most stable and understandable Linux distribution is truely amazing.

dare to compare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587571)

one word:

gentoo

Re:dare to compare (1)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587784)

Have you used both slackware and gentoo? I'd be curious to know your opinions, as I'm a slackware user myself.

IT IS OUTDATED (1)

Oxide (92607) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587683)

It's the most update distro's because its the newest released distro. What's the time line between 8.0 and this one ?

You want outdated ? how about that tgz packaging system ? how much outdated can you get ?

Re:IT IS OUTDATED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587712)

ya what the fuck is that? some relic from 1996? what a load of shit. That drunk mic patrick needs to get off his potato eating ass and make a new package management system pronto.

Re:IT IS OUTDATED (1)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587764)

The packaging system is really used only for install time, and sometimes security updates.

Slackware is for people who enjoy compiling everything and optimizing it for their machine.

And it does it well. Slackware users don't want a packaging system for everyday use.

As far as time line, its a tad long, but again, slackware users stay on top of things and its not a big deal. Patrick never rushes releases. The result is a rock-solid base.

Re:IT IS OUTDATED (1)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587776)

As I said in another comment, slackware users don't want a packaging system for every day use. We like to compile things, and tweak them for our own uses.

Slackware gives us exactly what we want.

Re:bah (3, Insightful)

or_smth (473159) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587580)

Why do you think people love it so much?



It's simple, quick, has a decent interface for installing (non-graphical, non-slow) and once you get it up and running, it is running. It was one of the few distrubutions left where you can get it up, upgrade the kernel to whatever the hell you want and it will [b]still[/b] run. It knows it's target group and delivers.

Packages are good, decently up to date (now) and are not overkill. I couldn't be more pleased

Re:bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587591)

upgrade the kernel to whatever the hell you want and it will [b]still[/b] run.

Really?

I had already given up hope of finding a distribution in which I wouldn't have to wait for the official kernel upgrade package or upgrade the kernel with a www.kernel.org version and face a totally fucked up system.

Re:bah (1)

michael (troll) (579023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587702)

Heh. Slackware is the distribution I learned on, and I learned a lot. By being console mode, by making you use fdisk instead of pretty little "auto-allocate" in disk druid and alike, you learn the ins and outs of the system. You get to edit stuff in /etc, not just push a few buttons. For a while I was wondering where the f*ck "XConfigurator" or all the other utilities were located. Hah! I had to do it all myself.

If you're serious about learning Linux the way you should learn (by experience, not paper) it, slack is the way to go. It just goes to show why paper MCSEs and RHCEs are worthless... you gotta have experience before you get hired for a real job.

Re:bah (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587744)

fucking around on your shitty little slack box at home DOES NOT count as experience you fucker.

i throw away resumes from tards like you everyday.

Re:bah (1)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587800)

Fully agree. I like being the person the few linux people at work come to. For the same reasons you stated.

Boycott Finland (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587556)

Last week the Finnish parliament made a decision to build a new, fifth nuclear power plant. This decision goes against the recent enlighted mood in rest of the Western European countries. It is, however, sadly in line with countries like Russia, China, North Korea and Iran.

I urge you environmentally conscious Slashdot readers to start boycotting Finnish products like paper, high tech (Nokia!) and software like Linux and SSH (use OpenSSH instead!).

Re:Boycott Finland (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587572)

As a (fellow?) Finn, I fully support this boycott.

I really am ashamed of this decision. Fortunately the Greens, which I have voted for the last four elections, decided to leave the government rather than stay with the bastards who made this fateful decision.

Re:Boycott Finland (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587610)

I fully agree with you as far as the use of nuclear power goes, but quite frankly you're wasting your time posting here. Slashdot is full of ultra right wing libertarian Ayn Randian nutcases who would never admit that the environment can be harmed by industries, or that the environment is even important. If it were important, the free markets would "obviously" protect it. The bottom line and freedom to consume endlessly is what counts.

Re:Boycott Finland (0, Troll)

michael (troll) (579023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587724)

Slashdot is full of ultra right wing

That is ultra left-wing you retard. How many slashdotters do you know are gun-toting coon-hunting Ted Nugent-types?

Libertarian is to the left, although they support what they call "freedom" -- i.e. support of the bill of rights to its fullest. That's why ESR likes guns.

Re:Boycott Finland (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587614)

All the Finns around here hang out in this one sauna.. I pee'd on the hot rocks.

Another reason to bocott Finland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587650)

Re:Another reason to bocott Finland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587721)

Man that's ancient history you should boycott America becuase of it's alliance with and support for the racist regime known as Israel.

Re:Another reason to bocott Finland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587758)

I will join that boycott any day.

slackware stable release? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587559)

i'm still waiting on a woody

Re:slackware stable release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587672)

i'm still waiting on a woody I'd piss my pants if the Debian team had the balls to name the next testing branch 'chubby' or something

Re:slackware stable release? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587736)

why don't they just name it erect penis and come out of the closet already.

we all know debian is a club for homosexual nerds with no life or coding skill.

ya let's sit around spending 2 years to release a new distro becuase we take a break every 10 minutes to stuff a schlong up our bum.

Re:slackware stable release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587750)

why don't they just name it erect penis and come out of the closet already.

Hey, maybe they should call the next distro "Erector".

Shucks... (0)

Bozzio (183974) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587560)

... and I just download SlackWare 8 last night!

sigh..

Excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587563)

I can't wait for this next release!

Userbase (-1, Troll)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587565)

I wonder if Slackware has more users than Netscape!?

wtf? (0, Flamebait)

(startx) (37027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587567)

okay, what newb submitted this to /.? the whole beta/rc thing has become a running joke, and this submitted to to /.. brilliant.

Re:wtf? (1)

SyniK (11922) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587635)

From the ChangeLog:
Sat May 25 12:38:52 PDT 2002
Well folks, we are now at Slackware 8.1-rc1. :-)

Fri Apr 12 02:01:53 PDT 2002
We'll call this Slackware 8.1-beta2. :-)

Who announces beta's/rc's like that? :)
He only really means it when he makes ISOs.

will wonders never cease? (2, Funny)

morgajel (568462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587575)

wow, everyone's putting out a new relase, even slackware(never realized how apropropriate the name was until now.) maybe I'll have to fire up a test box and try it again.

The question is; why?
slackware has a new one, redhat, mandrake, suse, debian(shortly)... even the packages like mozilla and kde are having long awaited releases....

maybe we're about to stumble on the turning point on the computer era... maybe 10 years from now we'll look at the 1995-2002 as the dark ages of the operating systems.

As a side note, I showed my girlfriend the article about sherwin williams, and she replied, "this linux thing isn't going away, is it?" ...and now she's ready to learn.

Re:will wonders never cease? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587597)

s/girl/boy
s/she/he

everyone knows linux users are more faggoty than mac users!!!!! hi trollaxor!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:will wonders never cease? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587681)

I think you mean:

s/girl/boy/g
s/she/he/g

Re:will wonders never cease? (-1, Flamebait)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587605)

Yeah, well I showed your girlfriend something else, and now she's really ready to learn.

Re:will wonders never cease? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587728)

Flaimbait? Well then the parent is Fagbait. C'mon you faggot Linux geeks!

Re:will wonders never cease? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587811)

YES, we need more girls on linux.

Eight Point One is the Easiest Slackware Ever (5, Funny)

heptapod (243146) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587576)

You can check your email and receive messages from the world wide web! Slackware will help you stay in touch with all your friends by making a buddy list. I know that I instant message my friends all the time. Plus the new Slackware comes with bright shiny buttons, surprising sounds that make you excited about the interweb and being in-touch with folks from around the world who are just like you!!!!!
"Slackware's tech support has been nothing but patient, understanding and helpful!" says grandmother Eunice Haversham.
"It's so easy even I can use it!" says Michigan resident Robert Malda.
The best thing of all about Slackware is the fact that it's FREE !!! Just pick up a copy at McDonalds in their Tux Happy Meal or download it from your favorite website or give us a call at 1-800-LUNIX4U right away and we'll tell you about our other great offers!

I'm a slackware whore! too bad slackware.com sucks (2, Insightful)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587581)

I'm a slackware whore. I sure wish someone would update slackware.com once in a while, pretty sad that some other site has news on this before there's a peep of it on slackware's own web site.

I've used 8.1-beta2 at work, I love it.

One man show (4, Insightful)

m_evanchik (398143) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587583)

What really amazes me about slackware is that it really does seem to be a one-man show.
This is reassuring to me. It's good to know that there really is one authoritative voice on at leat one distro.
It lacks bells and whistles and requires some expertise, which is why I couldn't stick with it, but philosophically, it appeals to me.

Re:One man show (1)

myst564 (196476) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587621)

Amazing that another Evanchik uses Slackware ;)

Re:One man show (0, Troll)

michael (troll) (579023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587742)

What happens if Patrick Volkerding gets hit by a bus?

Re:One man show (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587810)

The fact that it lacks bells and whistles is what appealed to me the most. Been using it for 6 years now and never wanted something else.

I've been looking forward to this... (3, Interesting)

truefluke (91957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587586)

I actually went to Slack's site about a week back, with the intent to either download stuff or order something from cheapbytes. When I read that they were preparing to release 8.1, I decided to hold off and wait.

I was going to download Slack so I could install the base and just do the ./config, make, make install dance for a buncha stuff I like to use, like evilwm. My intentions was to pull something together from installing just the bare libs and packages I need, and create a desktop box for myself that just plain works.

Slackware may not be for everyone, but that doesn't make their efforts any less relevant. They're a proven distro. Looking forward to this!

Why Slackware? (5, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587600)

Some people may be wondering why someone would use slackware when there are distros like Mandrake which have a graphical configuration utility for everything. There is a very good reason: to learn about Operating Systems and about Linux. To change a configuration in Slackware, you have to edit text files. But that's not really bad, because Slackware has amazing comments in the config files. You are encouraged to learn the filesystem and the config file structure. If you want to learn Linux as opposed to simply use Linux, run Slackware!

Re:Why Slackware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587690)

My first box was a slack, my second a redhat, so was my third, now I'm slack again and lfs.

While most distros install with nice graphical menus and leave hardly any of the hard work to the user, a slack box teaches you to RTFM. Oh, I agree that if you have to manage dozens of servers, slack can be a drag. Servers at work are mostly RH boxes, but nearly every workstation is a slack machine.

If it weren't for slack, I'd 've never been as skilled as I am today.

Mod the parent of this comment up, it's true.

Already downloaded. It looks sweet. (3, Informative)

crovira (10242) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587602)

Latest's of every thing I need:
Apache-1.3.24
php-4.2.1,
with all the php packages I have to move over,
MySQL-3.23.49,
LOTS of standard stuff (Nautilus, Mozilla etc.)

I should be able to upgrade my box, install ZendStudio_Server, use the journalling file system to mirror my drives and have the bullet proof system I need to support my Community Wikis.

Re:Already downloaded. It looks sweet. (1)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587745)

Where'd you find it? email me if you don't want the entire world to know.

Not dead - yet? (1)

00_NOP (559413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587604)

We need to face the facts. The Linux distro business model just doesn't work and sooner or later, a lot of the distro people are again going to be amateurs doing it for love and not money.

All that might be a good thing as the emergence of a clear commercial leader can only help Linux in the business world - it still looks like too much of an anarchy at the moment.

My first distro was a shrinkwrap job, but now I know I'd never do that again - there is no money to be made out of me or anyone like me. My contribution is in code and similar efforts.

When the shakeout comes then the hacker community are really going to be tested - without that money it is back to people in their bedrooms churning it out. Are they/we up to it?

Re:Not dead - yet? Microsoft's Buggy Debugger (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587695)

There's a ''critical'' security flaw in a Microsoft debugging app. Microsoft says the debugging app found in Windows NT 4 Server and Windows 2000 contains a "critical" flaw. Under certain circumstances, the flaw could enable a hacker to circumvent the authentication system used by the debugger, take control of an app and possibly launch others, according to a Microsoft security bulletin. Attackers could take any action on the system, including deleting data, adding administration accounts, or reconfiguring the hijacked system. More details, including an available patch to fix the flaw, are available athttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/defaul t.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-024.asp

Re:Not dead - yet? Microsoft's Buggy Debugger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587751)

The highest risk is on client systems. 0wning your own machine... that is soo cool!

Re:Not dead - yet? (1)

YetAnotherDave (159442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587778)

but you've got to remember that slack doesn't have to support a small army of people, just Patrick, David, Logan, and Chris. I think he has a better chance of holding on than a company like mandrake, since his overhead is MUCH lower, and his product is (IMHO) better.

Please don't bother flaming me about that statement of opinion, since that's all it is. I prefer the clean simplicity of slack, that's all.

Re:Not dead - yet? (4, Informative)

Phroggy (441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587780)

The Linux distro business model just doesn't work...

Um, last I heard, Slackware has always been profitable. Quit spreading FUD.

Re:Not dead - yet? (1)

Damek (515688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587785)

When the shakeout comes then the hacker community are really going to be tested - without that money it is back to people in their bedrooms churning it out. Are they/we up to it?
In their bedrooms? Real geeks work in their bathrooms with a mini-fridge on the counter!

/.ed already! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587617)

From the ChangeLog.txt:
Sat May 25 12:38:52 PDT 2002
Well folks, we are now at Slackware 8.1-rc1. :-)
Please test and report any problems you might find.

(* Security fix *)
n/fetchmail-5.9.11-i386-1.tgz: Upgraded to fetchmail-5.9.11 to fix another fetchmail-vulnerable-to-malicious-mail-server hole. My advice: if you don't trust your mail server, don't use fetchmail with it. (and get a new mail server)

Upgrades:-
a/aaa_base-8.1.0-i386-1.tgz: Bumped version number in slackware-version and welcome email.
a/lprng-3.8.12-i386-1.tgz: Upgraded to lprng-3.8.12.
gnome/eterm-0.9.1-i386-1.tgz: Upgraded to eterm-0.9.1.
gnome/galeon-1.2.2-i386-1.tgz: Upgraded to galeon-1.2.2.
kde/: Upgraded to KDE-3.0.1. Switched from qt-3.0.4 to qt-copy-3.0.4, which includes several improvements to work better with KDE. Compiled with --disable-debug for better performance.
kdei/: KDE language support packages upgraded to 3.0.1.
xap/mozilla-1.0rc3-i386-1.tgz: Upgraded to mozilla-1.0rc3.
xap/xpdf-1.01-i386-1.tgz: Upgraded to xpdf-1.01.

Changes:-
a/slocate-2.6-i386-3.tgz: Added indexing of type 'auto' filesystems.
gnome/gnome-games-1.4.0.3-i386-2.tgz : Fixed to not overwrite existing scores.
gnome/gtm-0.4.11-i386-2.tgz: Patched for wget >= 1.8.
l/freetype-1.3.1-i386-2.tgz: Relocated header files from /usr/include/freetype to /usr/include/freetype1/freetype.
n/tcpip-0.17-i38 6-11.tgz: Patched netconfig to add a probe for Ethernet cards based on the National Semiconductor DP8381x chipset (natsemi module). Patched ping to handle ping times > 1s correctly
extra/iproute2-2.4.7-now-ss020116-try/i proute2-2.4 . _now_ss020116_try-i386-2.tgz Added missing /var/lib/arpd directory.

What is Slackware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587619)

This may be a dumb question, but what is Slackware? I mean, I assume that it's a linux distro of some sort, but I've never heard of it? Can anyone please enlighten me?

Re:What is Slackware? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587639)

Try here [slackware.com] for a starters, its Slackware's web page. I'm actually not suprised you haven't heard of it. It isn't that popular anymore. It was one of the first Linux distributions. It was spawned from SLS in like early 1994. I'm ashamed I don't know more, since I've been using it since 1995. :) SLS and Yggdrasil were the first two distros I think. I tried Yggdrasil in 1994/1995 (don't remember which) but I couldn't get it to install correctly. It was probably a driver problem or something.

gz vs. bz2 ?!?!? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587634)

why is slackware using .gz? bz2 offers at least a 30%-40% better compression ratio than deprecated .gz

Re:gz vs. bz2 ?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587661)

Probably because .gz is the de facto standard in most linux distros. .bz2 is still a newcomer. Sadly, most people just don't know how to use it yet.

Also, a lot of people don't really care about compression ratios much these days. When blank CDR's cost 10 cents apiece and 120GB hard drives can be had for $180 at Best Buy ($300 - $120 mail in rebate), squeezing every last bit out of your storage media isn't that big of a deal anymore.

Re:gz vs. bz2 ?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587668)

because .gz is the de facto standard in most linux distros.

The same ridiculous reason some people insist on wasting bandwidth with uuenc when a much, much better encoding method, yEnc, is already available.

I guess there are luddites even amongst the geeks...

Re:gz vs. bz2 ?!?!? (1)

Kwikymart (90332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587691)

Though I am no longer a slackware user (FreeBSD, + Debian on my laptop), as I understood it, the main reason for not using bz2 compression was for people using legacy systems. bz2 is great on fast systems, but try decompressing big packages on a p100 or whatever, that takes an awful lot of time. Though this shouldnt be the case, keeping two trees (1 compressed with gz, the other with bz2) would be a nightmare.

Re:gz vs. bz2 ?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587671)

Because .bz2 is slow as fuck. It's a trade-off... Slackware trades that 30% size difference for the ability to install sometime today.

Hardware experts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587703)

Would the .bz2 be easy to implement in hardware?

I use .bz2 extensively and would benefit from a PCI card for encoding/decoding .bz2 files.

Re:Hardware experts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587715)

Yes, it would be very easy to implement in hardware. Of course, by the time someone got around to doing it, CPU speeds should be up to level that hardware acceleration would not be needed.

Re:Hardware experts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587769)

Not really.

There's still need for hardware encryption for instance in streaming.

Walnut Creek CD-ROM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587642)

Whatever happened to Walnut Creek CD-ROM? I bought my first linux distro, Slackware 3.0, from them. That was around 1995. Back then, they had tons of different high quality CD-ROM compilations available when so many other CD-ROM vendors just released pure crap (e.g., the 3000 games CD's would have a thousand 8086 games that ran in CGA mode!)

I remember logging on to ftp.cdrom.com and they would tell you about the machine that the FTP server was running on. And it would always be impressive and state-of-the-art. The disk space that server was seemingly enormous... 75GB, 100GB, it just kept on going up. Of course, right now I'm sitting in on office where each machine has over 100GB's of hard disk space on it, but still. It's funny how the great dot.com boom hurt the companys we were really fond of.

Re:Walnut Creek CD-ROM? (3, Interesting)

foonf (447461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587759)

Whatever happened to Walnut Creek CD-ROM?


They were acquired by BSDI, because of their support for FreeBSD. Then BSDI was acquired by Wind River Software, entirely for BSD/OS. Pretty much everything associated with them is dead now, AFAIK. Well, FreeBSD has survived, because its development was never dependent on commercial support. And slackware has been hurt by the loss of all of its paid developers, but its always just pretty much been Pat's distribution and despite the lack of support 8.1 looks to be coming along very nicely.

Oh man this is awesome! (2)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587648)

This is the release I've been waiting for. I've tried Redhat, I've tried Mandrake, but I fell in love with Slackware. The Sys V init on the redhat-ish distros annoy me... I really love Slack's BSD style init (and it supports Sys V style too if required!). It's much easier to edit.

Hooray for Patrick and gang! A job well done.

Re:Oh man this is awesome! (2)

farrellj (563) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587763)

I agree, I hate Sys V init files, and most Distros don't support a full Sys V, like Solaris...BSD init style works easier for me!

Slackware users since floppy days!

ttyl
Farrell

Slackware is Dying! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587654)

All the l33t BOFHs are going to Gentoo Slack didn't have a chance after the Walnut Creek > Wind River fiasco kicked Pat to the curb.

Will ESR join the Slackware team? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587657)

He's authored more than a couple programs I use day-to-day (fetchmail, for one), and I hear he's got a bit of free time [linuxtoday.com] on his hands.

Re:Will ESR join the Slackware team? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587677)

haha esr got fired, what a fag.

Re:Will ESR join the Slackware team? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587808)

Really?

Hahahahahahahaha! Well, at least now he has all the time in the world to drink Jaegermeister and clean his precious guns.

I wonder, however, when we'll see him in news [cnn.com] .

gentoo (0, Troll)

Wizy (38347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587664)

Anyone who has actually tried gentoo, and isnt using it instead of every other distro to-date, is simply an idiot.

Re:gentoo (2)

Glytch (4881) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587816)

Lazy wimp. Go build your own distro. [linuxfromscratch.org]

In all seriousness, LFS is great when you've got a fast spare machine to play with and want to learn about how Linux works (I've got a "play box" just for this purpose), but I love Slackware for when I need absolute stability and resource efficiency. Good for desktops and servers, 486s to P4s. Thanks for the work, Patrick!

man (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587667)

man all these terror alerts are starting to piss me off.

I wake up every morning hoping our muslim friends have dismissed another large batch of capitalist pigs to hell, but i check the news and nothing happened.

If a bunch of capitalist exploiters don't die in huge attack soon i'm gonna be pissed.

Re:man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587688)

I hear you man! If something's not happening soon I'll have to leave my Colorado hideout and drive my cement truck full of fertilizers and diesel into a federal building or something.

Why I don't use Slackware anymore... (2, Interesting)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587692)

I used to be a Slackware user. I'm fairly advanced when it comes to Linux and UNIX in general so I don't care at all about graphical interfaces or configuration tools. However, I have fallen in love with advanced package management tools and distro companies that are really quick to update packages.

I just don't have the time to spend a few hours grabbing the latest source patches and doing a recompile. I use to like to compile everything from source so that I could optimise it for my machine but real life eventually got in the way of that and it stopped being fun.

So for the past 3-4 years I've been using Mandrake. But the first thing I do is 'rpm -e linuxconf drakx* kde* gnome*' etc. The reason I like it is not because of the ease of use but because Mandrake is really quick to release security updates and all it takes is a simple urpmi command to download them. Plus every release comes with tons of new toys that I like to play around with when I'm bored.

There's lots of other reasons I choose Mandrake too but I mean this as constructive critisism towards Slackware so I'll leave those out.

Comming from a BSD background I always felt right at home with Slack but when you just want something that you can use and keep up to date and secure with minimum effort then it just doesn't cut it.

I don't feel that you need to be user friendly and geared towards windows and mac users to fill this gap. Just a few command line tools that make a UNIX administrator's life easier when it comes to managing what's installed on the system (and the pkg_* tools are not up to speed on this IMO).

So I'm going to go off on a limb here and get ready to be flamed by all the Slackware lovers. I would probably switch back to Slackware if they were to switch to rpm or deb pkg. They can keep the "no easy configuration tools" or the bsd-style init scripts which I love so much. But I really need a way to customize my system and keep it up to date with minimal effort.

I know Slack has come with rpm installed optionally for a while but all of the system stuff like glibc, bash etc. should be installed as rpms so that it's really easy to updgrade them without taking hours to recompile.

--
Garett

slackware (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3587698)

who wants to use a distro made by some drunk, potato eating, bagpipe playing, me-lucky-charms-hiding mic?

Re:slackware (1)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587812)

This actually should be modded up, and marked as funny.

And I say that as a slackware user.

Nice.

If you like Slackware.... (1)

idealego (32141) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587705)

Try Gentoo, I can't see how you'd go back.

grr.... (1)

BRTB (30272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587722)

And I just rsync'ed and upgraded everything up to "beta2" level a couple days ago. Now I have to go and update more stuff. Oh well, updates are always good....

Kudo's to Patrick and the team (1)

rsmith (90057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587727)

For producing a distribution that's rock-solid and doesn't get in your way.

I still have the CD for 3.2, from 1997 :-) which was the release that got me started with Linux. If you _really_ want to learn Linux, I think Slackware is still the way to go.

I've tried Red Hat and Debian, but I still come back to good old Hackware.

Roland

good news (1)

ciryon (218518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3587741)

The best Linux based server operating system is soon to see yet another fine release.

Ciryon
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