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Kartoo Search Engine Presents Results as a Map

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the cool-idea dept.

The Internet 279

cdupree writes "I've just run across a search engine called Kartoo---anyone else know it? Apparently it's been up since April 25. It presents its results in a graphical fashion, sort of like a map, allowing you to refine your query interactively. Admittedly, the "working" picture is a bit dorky, but the site is not dripping with ads (except for itself), and it's interesting to see the connections it finds when you enter, for example, "slashdot." My initial take on the thing is, it looks pretty, it presents the standard information in a new and different manner, but I haven't used it enough to get much in-depth knowledge of how best to use it. Has anyone had experience with this method of presenting search results? Is there background available on the folks who produced it beyond the trivial amount on the web site?" This sounds like a plug, but the few searches I tried with this engine to my surprise turned up interesting, relevant results. Update: 05/28 14:29 GMT by T : Laurent Baleydier adds: "Since last night, kartoo's requests have been multiplied by 20. At this moment, we can't respond to all those requests. We really apologize and we are doing as fast as possible in order to give you the best services."

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279 comments

Try doing a search on Pr0n K1ng! (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592530)

Get it in you!

It actually fucking works.

Screw all the hippies!

useless (-1, Troll)

CyanideHD (132907) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592533)

this looks pretty stupid

Re:useless (2, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592572)

"this looks pretty stupid"

Did this post leave anybody else aching for a more sophisticated opinion?

Re:useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592665)

When I try to search for something it takes 30 seconds then crashes out with "the connection with kartoo failed...."

It's slow and buggy, must be run on the peice of shit OS called linux.

Pretty Neat (2)

Sean Clifford (322444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592536)

Pretty interface and nice flowchart of interrelated subjects and sites. Pretty neat.

Re:Pretty Neat (1)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592547)

I agree, I could see this being very usefull to see the relationships between hits.. but its no google.

Re:Pretty Neat (2, Interesting)

moonbender (547943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592560)

I think the interface is horrible (a bit too many mouseovers), although the presentation in itself isn't too bad. It's certainly quite interesting, though I'm not sure if apart from that, it is actually useful ... Oh and it appears to be slashdotted? Can't get any more results, at least.

Re:Pretty Neat (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592606)

"I think the interface is horrible (a bit too many mouseovers), although the presentation in itself isn't too bad. "

I've been aching for a search engine that works kind of like this. I'm not sure of KartOO quite works the way I'm hoping it will (hard to tell when it's Slashdotted...), but it's a good start.

I really hope that somebody'll develop a file browser for Windows kind of like this. I think I'd work a hell of a lot faster if my hard drive looked like a star-map instead of climbing a tree.

Interesting results... (4, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592742)

Hey dudes, I've been playing around with the HTML version of the search engine (not sure what's wrong with Flash...) and got some interesting results.

A lot of people have been complaining about the slow response compared to google, and so on. Well let's not worry about that right now, let's look at what it does do interesting.

Google is used for very specific searches, and Kartoo doesn't really change that. Instead, I used Kartoo to do a general search. I typed in "Robocop'. Here is the link:

http://www.kartoo.com/kartoo2/servlet/H?q=robocop& l=1&s=0&lp=1 [kartoo.com]

Notice it shows a few sites, and even a few words giving you hints about what the site is about. I think this is where some people had some trouble, though. This page is full of javascripts and style sheets, so I can imagine anybody not running IE 5 is going to have trouble. (Sorry!)

It's pretty cool that at a glance I know what that site is going to show me before I actually read it's description when I move my mouse over it. Right away, without having to read much at all, I knew that I could find pictures of Robocop, information about the movies, and even a hint that there was a series to Robocop.

This is where the speed comes. Google is fast and all, but I've never found info this fast on a general topic such as "Robocop".

Go try it out! You'll see what I mean. I don't know if this particular site will become popular, but I do think that it proves that the graphical search enging concept is viable and interesting. I'd still use Google for very specific questions I have, but if I wanted to know about general topics, this would be a very handy place to look

Re:Interesting results... (1)

jezreel (261337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592770)

Well... if I visit your link I'm prompted to a infinite netscape alert message after running the mouse over a map node, had to kill the process. This isn't quite the result I expected....

Trollaxor is the goatse man! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592537)

Just follow the links [trollaxor.com] . It's all quite well documented.

--sdem

Porn? (4, Funny)

shermon (12704) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592540)

A search for "porn" took 20 seconds... I don't think this search engine is up to snuff for the internet. :)

Re:Porn? (5, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592548)

Really? Right away I had a midget wearing cherries as earrings pop right up.

Re:Porn? (0)

my_name_is_steve (455393) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592655)

hah! a search for Star Wars came up nothing. What does that say? umm, what's that say about me...

Flash? (0, Troll)

lucifuge31337 (529072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592550)

Just what everyone needs: a flash-based UI for a search engine.

I guess this is targeted at AOL-subscribing Mac users.

Re:Flash? (2, Funny)

littleRedFriend (456491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592568)

Can anyone make a mirror in case it gets /.ted?

Re:Flash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592602)

here [slashdot.org]

Re:Flash? (5, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592616)

"Just what everyone needs: a flash-based UI for a search engine."

Did it ever occur to you that Flash isn't the cause of your annoyance, it's the people who make the flash movies? Attack of the Clones sucked, but don't blame Digital Film for it.

Re:Flash? (0)

lucifuge31337 (529072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592716)

Yes, it occured to me and was dismissed.

I don't like Flash.

Re:Flash? (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592751)

Yah, damn Macromedia for giving us a graphical alternative to HTML! Damn them all!

:P

In all seriousness, I understand the complaints about flash, heck it annoys me too. But I don't blame Flash or Macromedia, just the crappy use of it. This is the second time I've seen a practical use of it. The first time was when a friend of mine created a statistic site using Flash to do the fancy graphic work.

I think sites that use Flash are generally pretty annoying, but as I said, the technology isn't the problem. It's the people who think they need to create a teaser for their site who are creating the problem.

Re:Flash? (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592662)

I'd wager that I know a number of Mac users who are more sophisticated computer users than you are. Sure that's a flame, but it's a fairly safe wager.

Re:Flash? (1)

fsterman (519061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592721)

Your an idiot. I'm sorry but your experiance with UI must be limited to some nasty KDE or Windows, both blow compared tot he Mac GUI. Given KDE is much nicer than the Windows but far from the Aqua goodiness of OS X. It's the bad interfaces that give GUI's bad names- GUI's can be just as fast as command line, it just takes getting people to pull there heads out of there asses. Go and read some Jef Raskin.

This may be a flame, but so was the comment posted.

Your sig: (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592744)

LOAD "*",1,1

PRESS PLAY ON TAPE

LOADING
READY.


No need for the "*",1,1 for datasettes AFAIK.

A simple:

lO

would suffice. :-)

Got 1 search in (3, Funny)

quantaman (517394) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592551)

The next thing I got was a graphical representation of the /. effect.

Re:Got 1 search in (2, Funny)

MrNally (236174) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592566)

I think that Kartoo needs to have it's complete contents into a google cache. ;-)

Fun, but no Google (1)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592552)

It'll hardly take the place of google as my preferred search engine, just too damn slow. But I love a good diagram... and the way it displays the results is very cool... I like it :)

Re:Fun, but no Google (3, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592639)

It seems like it wouldn't be very hard to make a Graphical UI for Google in much the same way that Kart00 does. It's really only a matter of sending a URL request to Google.com and parsing the HTML it sends down to you. Then you can write your own prog that categorizes the data.

That'd be a fun project!

*wishes he had a star-map-like File Explorer for Windows*

An incredibly obnoxious search engine. (5, Insightful)

Sivar (316343) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592553)

Searches take entirely too long (about ten seconds. May not seem like alot, but it adds up) and the main page is Flash galore. You are also redirected immediately when you enter, so you have to hit "back" *realfast* to get back to Slashdot. The idea of presenting results as a web is kinda neat, but it ends at "kinda neat." The results are confusing and look disturbingly similar to the area of the computer tables behind my three computers--everything interconnected and difficult to follow.

I commend them on creating an original and refreshingly different idea in search engines, but I doubt Google has anything to worry about.

At least they run Linux [netcraft.com]

YOU FOOL!!! HIT BACK?!?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592619)

*sigh* nonono! THE MAN will track you if you hit the back button! HE WILL PUT HIS CRUD ON YOUR PC! ---Don't Get Taken by THE MAN---

Use that little arrow beside the backbutton that brings up a short history and use that instead :) NOT ONLY does the man not get you down, but you also are unaffected by instant redirect sites like that POS search engine.

Re:An incredibly obnoxious search engine. (2)

twitter (104583) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592628)

Nasty indeed. Why would anyone use flash after this [slashdot.org] ? Sorry, just not worth it. Think I'm going to download that junk, become root, and install that shit? Nope. With intent like that, I'm not even interested in a free client that can talk to flash. Serve me nice little pictures, please. An animated gif, if you must, but there is no need for goofey propriatory extentions. Sites that hand me "flash/applicationX" don't see much of me.

Re:An incredibly obnoxious search engine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592718)

So how do you stop the "DO YOU WANT TO DOWNLOAD THIS PLUGIN?" messages? It's especially bad on Konqueror, where it seems to pop up two of those for every fabulous flash animation on the page. On Mozilla, I installed flash just to get rid of the popups.

AND! Where's the "JAVASCRIPT ON/OFF" button in the toolbar on Mozilla? Sure I can go "Alt-e e click click click", but WHY can't I just go "CLICK!"? Or "Alt-j"??? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE PEOPLE??? I don't WANT to have crappy old Javascript spewing out whatever it feels like to any website! At least Mozilla lets you turn off "Javascript can automatically pop up a zillion windows", but that's NOT ENOUGH.

Re:An incredibly obnoxious search engine. (0, Offtopic)

CarbonJackson (540580) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592688)

As far as the back button thing, I had suggested that would cover problems like that. I asked if Slashdot could add an option that allowed links within posts to open in a new browser. I was called a twit and told to buy a new mouse.

Re:An incredibly obnoxious search engine. (2, Insightful)

lucifuge31337 (529072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592703)

Or learn what the SHIFT key does.

The search engine sucks. It's not a /. problem.

Your inability to use a browser is also not a /. problem.

Northern Light? (1)

WickedChicken (459613) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592554)

Remember the search engine called Northern Light that organised information into folders? When you searched you could click on topics on a toolbar to refine the search. I dont' know if it's still up but it would be at www.northernlight.com [northernlight.com]

Re:Northern Light? (1, Troll)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592680)

And remember Gopher [scn.org] before that? :)

Re:Northern Light? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592728)

I dont' know if it's still up but it would be at www.northernlight.com

Geeze, what a shame that you DON'T HAVE INTERNET ACCESS so you couldn't check that link before you posted it. DICKHEAD.

My results (5, Informative)

pjdepasq (214609) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592558)

I just used Mozilla RC2 (on Mandrake 8.1) to try a search on myself. It was the non-Flash version and I had to dismiss something like 50+ Javascript popup messages.

Needless to say, I'm already not a fan of the site. Perhaps in time it will prove to be more usable.

Re:My results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592666)

Same here, popup windows everywhere with javascript alerts. Moz RC1, FreeBSD 4.5, and I was using the "text" version of the site. So um, this site sucks mmmkay?

Re:My results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592684)

It murders the Win32 build of RC2 too - downloading RC3 at the moment, I'll post back if that fixes things (and if it doesn't, I'll hurt someone for makin me click all those windows)

RC3 doesn't fix it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592727)

The subject says it all, unfortunately. A myriad of javascript warning windows.

Interesting, but it's no google (1)

Zyxwv88 (536800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592559)

Well, I found it very limited in many ways, especially to pull up larger numbers of results. When I tried to do a search for my own domain, it didn't even find it, but it did find domains owned by other people with the same name. Yeah, it's cool, but it's not gonna replace google for me. :)

We Killed it (1)

speedplane (552872) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592561)

I don't know if we the search engine is too slow or if the slashdot traffic just knocked it out but something seems terribly wrong.

The relevant results are due to.. (2, Funny)

hhg (200613) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592562)

The relevant results are due to kartoo's new "hamster-rank"-system. They are small, smart and they don't fly away. They don't pick on you eather.

It takes forever (3, Funny)

Gerrioholic99 (309014) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592565)

I think i'll stick with google until it takes less than a minute to succesfully search for something google does in 5 seconds

inevitable slashdotting.... (5, Informative)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592567)

Assuming it'll be slashdotted, for the curious, what it does is something like a graphical Alexa. It shows the main thing you searched for as a sort of you-are-here dot that you can click on, and then it shows related sites and keywords in a connect-the-dots type of image. So I entered slashdot, and got slashdot.org as the main result, but with "linux" and some other keywords around it. I clicked "linux" and got a new graphic with some linux sites, OSDN, and some other related stuff.

It does seem useful, but on Windows, I'd rather just click the "Related" button in IE and get Alexa's list. Here on my Linux box, this is a good substitute for Opera and Konq to use.

Grat Search Engine!!! (1)

lucifuge31337 (529072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592569)

Slashdotted in less than 3 minutes.

Hmm. (1)

SynKKnyS (534257) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592571)

It claimed no search results for Slashdot. :P

it's a meta crawler, not an indexer... (5, Informative)

BluSkreen (47256) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592574)

It uses and displays the results of other indexers or crawlers such as Google. It's basically a meta front end for searches.

The Flash version is a bit slow, even on huge pipes and a faster client.

Damn (2)

teslatug (543527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592575)

That was horrible...I got about a hundred JavaScript error messages...the Slashdotting sure can be brutal

Relevant Results? (5, Interesting)

geoffsmith (161376) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592578)

This sounds like a plug, but the few searches I tried with this engine to my surprise turned up interesting, relevant results.

Maybe that's because it gets its results from Google? Try a search for "nanotechnology" in Kartoo and Google, you will find the results are exactly the same.

Now Kartoo admits they are a "meta search engine", so the real question here is: is this map thing actually useful? And is it worth the 12 seconds it took to make that map? In my small amount of experimentation, I would say its nifty, but not terribly useful, and its slower than molasses.

Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon [stumbleupon.com]

Re:Relevant Results? (5, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592659)

I'm not sure they intended this to replace Google. I think this is meant to be a different tool, not a replacement tool. I think it's more useful as a "How proliferated is this info on the web?" request rather than a "What exactly is a zif-socket?" request.

For example, I searched for my nickname and found the results kind of interesting. Not really anything to write home about, but I got to go down a lot of different paths. The map was the same time every time I entered my nick, so if I were to come back to it tomorrow, I'd remember which area of the map I was on and try a different one.

If you're looking for a few fan sites on the Transformers, for example, I can see the visual metaphor being quite useful compared to Google's "we'll list them in order." technique.

Not sure if that makes a whole lot of sense or not, but I'm starting to get the idea how a visual cue like this could be quite constructive in hunting down hard-to-find info.

Nifty is the name of the game (1)

rabidphilosophy (569888) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592683)

This is slashdot. Nifty, but not terribly useful is what we call content.

More then Google (2, Informative)

ChaseTec (447725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592752)

If you click on the Options button at Kartoo you can select which search engines to use.

Re:Relevant Results? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592754)

geoffsmith wrote repeatedly:
Websurfing done right! SpamUpon [spamupon.com]

Why don't you put that ADVERTISEMENT into your Slashdot signature so that people don't have to see it all the time if they don't want to? Or you do care so little for people who read your comments?

Apparently... (2, Funny)

Anonymous C0wherder (523048) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592580)

Apparently it's been up since April 25

Well, good thing you posted it on Slashdot. Everyone site should go down at least once ever 3 months.

Slow searches (1)

reparteeist (533894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592589)

While the graphical map of results is nice, the length of time a search takes is unacceptable. If this is a result of a /. effect, then it needs better hosting, hardware, etc before it can expect to be taken seriously.

Mirror (4, Informative)

Triskaidekaphobia (580254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592590)

Since we can now add "Search Engine" to the list of sites we've killed, here's a mirror [freesoftmag.com] of what the search results look like if you're lucky enough to get that far.

Can't quite see the point of it myself. I like a ranked list, like Google.

Do not try in recent mozilla (2, Informative)

fire-eyes (522894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592592)

I don't have flash, so i used the html version. Searched for "linux" and it came up, said results 1-10. But there was nothing displayed. moved my mouse around and i got an incredible ammount of annoying ass javascript error boxes, an endless stream of one after another. Couldn't get to X to close the tab, couldn't close mozilla the proper way, had to kill it.

Bad first impression.

Frankly I think it should have warned me about needing javascript or similar stupid shit. I wouldn't have bothered.

Go google.

Re:Do not try in recent mozilla (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592677)

get a real browser you long haired hippy cunt.

strange ... (1)

timothy (36799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592686)

I used mozilla rc2 when I went there; I don't have Flash enabled (read "I don't have Flash *working*), so I also used the html version. It was slow, Yes, but it worked, I did not get a lot of javascript errors.

[btw, one of the searches I did, and the one which most impressed me, was for the name of a friend of mine -- she has an unusual name, and is a writer with some things scattered around the Net. The results were surprisingly all actually her, and shown in one blob like that actually made sense. Wouldn't want that result style for all searches, but in this case it worked well.]

timothy

DMCA (4, Funny)

hhg (200613) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592594)

Try a search for "Fuckhead", and see a fine map of Capitol Hill emerging.

How about -1 Flamebait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592696)

Obviously the 13 year olds have mod points today...

/.ed after 2 posts? Can't be... (1)

mce (509) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592595)

Either their server is extremely shaky (slashdotted after only 2 posts (without even a "first" one :-), can that really happen?), or it doesn't work behind a firewall. It keeps saying "the connection with kartoo failed", even with a 3 minute timeout setting. Seems a bit useless to me...

Re:/.ed after 2 posts? Can't be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592671)

first post.

mm, actually it does indeed feel good. =)

Too slow to be useful.... (1)

shr3k (451065) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592597)

I did a search on "Star Wars" and saw this neat looking graphic. I then clicked on "Lucas" and then waited. And waited. And waited. The counter at the bottom of the screen went past 30. Then it timed out with the message:

"the connection with kartoo failed. If the problem persists, you can send a message on kartoo@kartoo.com and we will try to find a solution. :-)"

I sure hope this search engine does something that the others cannot do. Because no one is going to want to wait more than 3 seconds for results. The standard to meet or beat is Google's (decent results in short period of time).

Re:Too slow to be useful.... (1)

Triskaidekaphobia (580254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592762)

An easy optimisation trick for Kartoo :-
  • Press Options
  • Press Timeout
  • Click the - symbol until the display reads 10.
  • Press the X
  • Try your search again.
Voila! It is now much quicker at being useless!

What the hell is that green thing in his face? (2)

mikosullivan (320993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592599)

Is he smoking a green, jagged cigarette, or is a green thunderbolt protruding from his right cheek? Which of those downward bent lines is supposed to be his mouth? The image looks like something from a dream after I've had too much pizza before going to bed.

Problem... (2)

NewtonsLaw (409638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592603)

Well it doesn't work for me NS4.5, Flash installed but Javascript disabled.

It sat there for 40 seconds counting away the seconds and then told me:

"the connection with kartoo failed. If the problem persists, you can send us a message on kartoo@kartoo.com and we will try to find a solution:-)"

Maybe it didn't like my firewall? maybe javascript is mandatory? Maybe it's just slashdotted?

Whatever the reason, I see little use for a search engine that doesn't work -- regardless of how pretty the graphics are ;-)

Re:Problem... (1)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592623)

it works without javascript on in konqi, however you miss some features, er and a lot of browser crashing javascript alerts

Re:Problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592713)

I think the problem lies in your browser....

dancing llamas (4, Insightful)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592604)

the problem with this and a lot of other search engines is that they always try to 'revolutionize' the searching experience.

Back 'in the day' Altavista and Yahoo did it right: focus on searching and that's all. If i go to the library to find a book i don't need to look at a dancing llama for 10 seconds before i enter, it's just useless and flagrant.

Now, though, we have Google, which has realized what makes a search engine useful, and look at it: it's the most popular on the internet.

A way around the slashdotting (5, Informative)

sweatyboatman (457800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592605)

there's an HTML version that doesn't seem to be as hard on the server as the Flash version. At least I was able to access it with no problem.

KartOO HTML [kartoo.com]

Look but don't touch, though, at least in Moz RC3. If you mouse-over one of the links in the map, it'll bomb you with a series of java alerts.

Sweat

Re:A way around the slashdotting (2)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592631)

Heh, I found that out too. I'm running Moz 0.9.1 on Slack 8. Right when I did that, the never-ending lava-errors hit me. Took an xkill to stop it.

Re:A way around the slashdotting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592759)

yah, that caused a hard crash with RC2 on Mac OS 9. Yucko.

Great job guys... (1)

shr3k (451065) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592607)

We slashdot a fledgling conceptual search engine. Did we ever do this to Google when it first came out?

Re:Great job guys... (2, Informative)

Triskaidekaphobia (580254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592635)

Possibly [slashdot.org]

This thing sucks (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592614)

I couldn't get anything but a stoned-leprechaun counting. I'll stick with google thanks.

They're gonna have to do a lot to clean it up (4, Insightful)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592618)

They better drop the flash stuff, and clean up stuff for bandwidth reasons. It appears that they just search other engines, not a bad thing, but with /. hitting it now, the searches merely time out.

Not only that, but every section of the website that is supposed to have some feature (search bar for your web page, screensaver, startpage, etc.) has something completely different in it. Like for instance the "put kartoo in your startpage" results in "email your friends about kartoo". And "install kartoo on your website" results in simply link logos. "screensaver" results in desktop backgrounds.

I applaud what these guys are trying to do, but it looks to me like they have been focusing on things other than achieving their goal.

Completely lacking any positive points (1, Redundant)

jedie (546466) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592625)

When you search something you want the results to come in fast.

Results 1 - 10 of about 43,800,000. Search took 0.28 seconds. -- google

kartoo counts in full seconds, let my try to emphasize this *FULL SECONDS* and then it tells you it couldn't connect. Okay it's suffering from /. effects, but what kind of a search engine is this if it can't handle massive load?

I won't be bookmarking it

Pretty (1)

NickRob (575331) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592636)

Pretty useless in it's current form. Yes, it's a cool idea, but it's slow, ugly, and it doesn't find things very well at all.

I did a search for "Hank Hill", and after clicking through a few hundred Javascript alerts I got such fine choices as:

Terry Love's Plumbing and Remodel advice [terrylove.com]
The director of Bell labs' buisness personal page [bell-labs.com]
A page called 'Movie Reviews', giving the most generic movie reviews I've ever seen [geocities.com]
And a guide to Snow Hill, Maryland [atbeach.com]

Yes, on Google and Teoma, etc., you can find this links... but not in the Top 10 links! The idea is good, but the search isn't.

useless, pointless, clueless, worthless (0, Troll)

presearch (214913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592641)

It's almost so bad, it looks like something from WindowsXP.

slashdot effect (1)

mansoft (371174) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592647)

It's getting slashdotted... I think we'd better check google's cache [216.239.51.100] . At least it won't dump 3 megs of flash onto our screens }:)

Re:slashdot effect (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592743)

too bad googles cache forwards to the main site with the flash

"Kartoo" ? (1)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592649)

"Kartoo" sounds like the greek for "map", which is "hArtes". (that's related to "paper" and "chart" as well.)

Dumb idea... (0)

YahoKa (577942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592653)

What kind of retard uses a flash UI for a search engine, stupid graphics, and a silly way of presenting info? I'll just stick with google for now, thanks.

screenshot (2)

MbM (7065) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592660)

Incase anyone was wondering what it looked like, here's a screenshot from one of the help pages: screenshot [kartoo.net]

Re:screenshot (0)

VoiceOfRaisin (554019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592737)

"in case" is two words.

Re:screenshot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592747)

And incase [yourdictionary.com] is one word. What's your point?

hmm not great (1)

mountain_penguin (43679) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592661)

The flash version does not work behind a firewall not sure why but it doesn :(
The html version is tuffed full of javascript errors on geko (galeon) is does look pretty and could have uses. Tried it on my uni and it showed me who was closely linked to it oh well maybe a slashdotting and a few emails they will fix the javascript and flash version
still not sure why the firewall would break it. I am only allowed http via a proxy so i wonder what else it needs/ wants and why ?

Some experience (4, Interesting)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592664)

Back in college, I would participate in research studies to earn a little extra money. One of the studies was of a 3D graphical method of laying out links to web sites. I was given time to look over the program, then they asked me to find certain information.

It was pretty interesting, the program was similar to the interface to Chime for chemistry, you could zoom in and out and rotate the link structure. I'm not sure what the result of the research was, and I'd say it was a toss up as to whether it was easier to use or not.

Maybe the CS grad student that did the research reads slashdot and he can tell us how it turned out.

Ick. (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592674)

When I ran it I got a hard crash from bad javascript. No thanks.

Hard to read graph (1)

GreatErdrick (528207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592675)

Well, cool stuff but the lines between each nodes pass on one another so much that it is hard to read. They really should consider using vcg [uni-sb.de] .

Generating Images (4, Interesting)

fliplap (113705) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592678)

So the image creating scripts are hosted on another machine "nfrance.com". But the really cool thing is that you can make the thing say whatever you want by changing the URL of the image a bit. See:
I'm sure if you put in enough effort you could draw pictures [nfrance.com]

of course slash-code f's with the URL so here's an smlnk: (ps. smlnk.com shortens URLs mostly for usenet or irc postings so don't be freaked out be the redirect)
http://smlnk.com/?EPRZ4J7R [smlnk.com]

That has to be one hell of a /. effect. (0)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592685)

Since this search engine is really a meta crawler, I'm going to wager that slashdotting the hell out of them is going to slashdot the hell out of every seach engine they're crawling as well.
My last search attempt took a minute and a half.

Way to go guys. ;p~

Utter Bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592708)

What a waste of bandwidth.

Yeah, like the flash version looks better.
As slow as a slug.

Alta Vista's been there, done that (2)

xee (128376) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592714)

Back in the day, the pre-Compaq day -- when men were men and AltaVista was a project at DEC -- they offered a java applet which rendered your search as a network of related topics. You could interactively refine your search by adjusting the fittness of the various topics in the map. Ahh, the good old days.

slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3592724)

it took 30 seconds to give me an error message when I searched the word "wenatchee". I think i will stick with google for now.

hook

a better site (2)

I Want GNU! (556631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592733)

Over at this area of map.net [map.net] there is something even better- a web directory represented as physical locations located on parts of Antarctica (and the site also has the domain name antarcti.ca for its services). It uses data from the Open Directory Project, formerly GNUhoo, a directory that is somewhat open and is a better one than Yahoo's directory, and one that Google uses in large part to find relevant results.

Very Precise Visuals... (1)

sfrenchie (524076) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592736)

I typed "slashdot-effect" and the pic of that weird looking genie changed into a tired, wrinkled, and bitter-looking old man...

Maybe they should have thought twice before posting their advertisement to slashdot!

LINK TO KARTOO POSTED ON SLASHDOT (2)

cpfeifer (20941) | more than 12 years ago | (#3592750)

Kartoo surrenders.
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