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The Empire Stumbles

JonKatz posted more than 12 years ago | from the why-Star-Wars-got-unseated-by-the-kids dept.

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We saw a cultural and generational coup d'etat this month, at least in cinematic terms -- if we were watching. Star Wars was challenged by millions of rebellious kids, who decided to choose a new kind of myth. The next generation unseated its elders -- as is the right of every generation - and is making its own culture, moving away from ours. In doing so, these kids balked at mega-hype, rediscovered earnestness, simplicity, the love story, some patriotism, punctured a billion-dollar balloon, and maybe even sparked a (relative) movement away from whorish sellouts, back to simpler story-telling. I, for one, sure hope so.

The evidence: In its first four days, Star Wars: Episode 2 -- Attack of the Clones sold nearly $117 million worth of tickets. When Spider-man opened two weeks earlier, it earned $115 million in just three days. Not only that, but the nerd-arachnoid drama earned another $48 million in box office during the weekend George Lucas' elephantine epic opened. And it shows no signs of slowing down. Spider-man is now on track to massacre Star Wars , perhaps out-earning it in the early days of the summer by as much as $100 million, if projected patterns continue. What happened? You can hardly call Clones a failure, but seeing it seems as much a reflex as a choice. And the grosses are below expectations, where as Spider-man is re-defining what a mega-hit movie is. I think Lucas and his movies have outgrown their audience, losing relevance to the young, the real avatars of culture, and are suffocating under their own enormous inertia and weight.

The late mythologist Joseph Campbell (who helped Lucas craft the Skywalker/Vader saga) wrote in The Elements of Myth that the hero-journey -- the often rebellious trek far from loved ones and home, finds a great teacher, battles evil forces in the world -- is inherent in every great myth, from cave-dweller's tales to Tolkien to Star Wars. It's certainly central to the story of Peter Parker, an unhappy and awkward kid who overnight goes from suffering at a nasty Queens high school to soaring over Manhattan's skyscrapers in search of the Green Goblin (this movie's Dark Side rep). In fact, every great myth has a lonely hero, a masked villain or two, and thinly-disguised spiritual choices between forces of good (God/a.k.a. The Force) or Evil (the literal Dark Side of the universe which shows up, Campbell wrote, in paintings that are thousands of years old.)

Why is Spider-Man's version surprisingly drubbing Lucas's, when he's cornered the global franchise on cinematic myth-marketing and he's one of the master cinematic marketers and hype-meisters of all time?

Several possible reasons. The Spider-Man saga is a simple love/adventure story, much like the first Star Wars, which didn't take itself nearly as seriously as the pompous sequels, pre-quels and tie-ins hatched at Lucas's secret ranch. In Spider-man, a nerd feels powerless, gets bitten by the bug, becomes powerful, goes on to confront great evil (and doesn't get the girl). Luke Skywalker, too, was powerless and trapped when we first met him. Then he met Obi-Wan, got in touch with the Force, went soaring around the universe to battle evil -- and didn't get the girl, either. Since the audience and industry expectations of Spider-Man were lower, the movie could afford to be looser, jokier -- more human. But poor George Lucas had dug himself a monstrous hole.

Simply because it's new (on film, at least) , Spider-Man arrives shrouded in less hype than Star Wars. When George Lucas decided to resuscitate his epic after a nearly generation-long respite, he could have chosen at least somewhat of a classier route and put some limits on the marketing that now engulfs big movies. Instead he acted like Jabba the Hutt, gorging on every dollar he could get. The producers of Lord Of The Rings curbed the marketing and toy tie-ins with corporations peddling food and dolls to kids out of respect for Tolkien. That makes Lucas, who showed no such restraint, all the more hypocritical and pretentious - polluting the series with trolls, Ewoks, aliens, soldiers, Jar-Jar Binks and his goofy patois, and all their inevitable action figures, light sabres, T-shirts and soda-cup representations.

Lucas created a brilliant film saga, then undercut it by demonstrating that there were few limits -- maybe no limits -- on what he would do to make still more money. The message to kids especially was follow the Force, but rake in the cash.

A franchise like Star Wars ought to be allowed to -- and can afford to -- retain some of its dignity and still make tens of millions. The movies make a fortune in their own right, a common experience that transcends reviews and tie-ins. When is enough enough? Lucas crossed the line, and cheapened his movies.

He also neglected to bone up on Campbell's books on the power and elements of myth. Spider-man is a simple love story about teen-aged angst: a kid almost anybody can relate to is suddenly transformed by a great power, grapples touchingly and hilariously to come to terms with that, and confronts a single bad guy and vanquishes him, though not without cost. Sound familiar? It ought to. That was more or less the feeling, despite the Imperial Death Star, of the original Star Wars. Spider-man was a cartoon myth -- part of the once-brilliant Marvel Comics factory, balm to nerds of the time -- and the movie doesn't forget its roots in the dialogue, plotting or action.

But what is Attack of the Clones about? The Skywalker genealogy? The Empire's evil origins? The birth of the Empire's Troopers? The rise and fall of the Queen of Naboo and her tormented lover and complex offspring? Trade unions and their relationship to the Galaxy? Legislative bodies and their place in galactic history? Lucas approaches the life and times of Darth Vader in much the same way biographer Robert Caro explores the life and times of ex-president LBJ (his latest book that's 1,300 pages long -- and that's just one volume of a projected four). Do we really care precisely how Anakin Skywalker got pissed off and turned to the Dark Side? Or would we -- especially the youngest among us -- be happy to see Yoda flashing his light-saber around and doing his Jackie Chan imitation?

Spider-Man is interesting on other levels, too. It's a very New York movie, set in working-class Queens and amidst the spires of Manhattan. It is unabashedly domestic and patriotic, even as Star Wars is pointedly other-worldly in tone and feel. Consider the Spider-man scene where New Yorkers cheer our hero from the Queensborough Bridge. It's heavy-handed but interesting. The movie ends with Spider-man draped around an American flag on a skyscraper not far from where the World Trade Center Towers used to stand. Holed up in his California cocoon, Lucas seemed to fall out of touch with post-9/11 America. He had too much genealogy to worry about. But the producers of Spider-Man, with a few last-minute adjustments, read it right. Star Wars was conceived in an era when Harrison Ford's Han Solo perfectly typified a generation's disenchantment with government and politics. Peter Parker has a different view, and so do the millions of kids making his movie a smash.

Attack Of The Clones is a cautionary tale, all right, but perhaps not the one Lucas intended. The real lesson is, if you're trying to make great movies aimed primarily at the young, avoid pomposity, self-indulgence and too much self-reference. Keep the story simple, clear and touching. Remember that movies mirror life. Films like this are about love, loss, conflict and fantasy. Spider-Man keeps that very much in mind. Attack Of The Clones seems to have forgotten it. That's why kids are flocking repeatedly to a new variety of myth, unseating the reigning one.

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Long live the Empire (0, Offtopic)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595085)

Death to these hand-wringing liberal rebels!

Re:Long live the Empire (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595134)

You mean hand-wringing liberal rebel *scum*.

Katz? (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595187)

How come you can't write anything without the phrase "post-9/11" in it?

Inquiring trolls want to know.

f1rst p0st (-1, Offtopic)

richieb (3277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595086)

Wahoo!!!! Wahoo!!! Wahoo!!!

1st bash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595087)

Less Star Wars. More Gone With The Wind. Thanks.

wet (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595088)

this is the word people usually type in the slashdot search box to find pr0n stories :-)

I love Katz (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595089)

frost piss for me!

FAP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595091)

First Atheist Post! God doesn't exist, Jackass!

Re:FAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595143)

you, sir or madam, are quite correct.


Re:FAP! (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595269)

and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

This isn't a big deal (0, Redundant)

peanutbadr (162513) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595095)

Spiderman was just a better movie

Re:This isn't a big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595160)

You have grown with SpiderMan and all this stuff and consequently enjoyed that movie.
For me, growing in Europe and never having accesst to spiderman crap, I found that movie to be extremely boring and, frankly, pathetic and childish.
Star Wars wasn't all the good either but at least it was .. well, Star Wars.

Of course, Jon... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595097)

This could be because the Spider-Man marketing and hype campaign began before Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was released.

Re:Of course, Jon... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595120)

...and it opened on 7000 screens where SW didn't open on nearly as many. Once again Katz tries to see everything as some big conspiracy or movement.

ObSTFUK: Shut the fuck up Katz!

It's very simple, really. (4, Funny)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595100)

There was no Spider-Man: Episode I.

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595103)

First Post???

Note to Jon Katz: (0, Insightful)

wedg (145806) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595106)

If you want to read what really good journalism sounds like, pick up Great Shark Hunt, but Hunter S. Thompson, or Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream, by same, or Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72.

Stop writing all this crap that a) says nothing, b) is as in-tune with your readers as a waffle and c) is just plain poorly written.

Loyal Slashdot Reader

Fear and Loathing?!? (1, Offtopic)

Black-Man (198831) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595150)

A novel about a party weekend in Vegas that one can read in 2 evenings is good journalism?? It reads like a trashy novel... oh, wait... that's what it is!

Re:Note to Jon Katz: (-1, Offtopic)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595191)

Sung to Beck's "MTV Makes Me Want To Smoke Crack"

Reading Jon Katz makes me wanna smoke crack,
Log out of my accounts,
and never come back.
Reading Jon Katz makes me wanna get high,
When I see his name, I just want to cry.

And everything's a conspiracy
And everything's gay
And everyone's a victim
And everyone gets their way

...Of those posts's
I flame him all day.

Hey, Alright
Makes me want to smoke Crack
Log out of my account
And I am never coming back
Reading Katz makes me want to get high... as Keith Moon

Re:Note to Jon Katz: (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595196)

I agree. Jon Katz, your articles are nothing but wind music. Plenty of bluster, very little substance.

Re:Note to Jon Katz: (0, Redundant)

johnwbyrd (251699) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595206)

Amen brother. Somebody please mod this guy up.

Re:Note to Jon Katz: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595207)

wedg you will probably be modded down for that but you don't deserve to be. I didn't see the author of the story at first, I just saw a whole lot of bullshit worthy of a psychology grad student who likes the sound of his own voice and thought "must be katz".

HST=Journalism? Parent at +5 is a fucking joke! (-1, Offtopic)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595225)


Star Wars is GREAT... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595107)

for ME to POOP on!!!

A better explanation (5, Insightful)

dfalgoust (409341) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595109)

I think a better explanation is that Spider-Man is better written and better directed than Attack of the Clones. Occam's Razor and all that.

Oh, and dare I dream...first post?

Dummy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595110)

Star Wars is in 20% less theatres then Spider-man, and is also a longer feature meaning it gets shown less times per day. If they both sold out every single show, Spider-man would still come out way ahead due to this fact.

Spiderman hasn't even been released yet! (2, Funny)

pommiekiwifruit (570416) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595184)

But already I've seen attack of the clones... Temuera Morrison, wahey! An army of hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders, conquering the galaxy :-)

Oh, i guess it will get released outside the US one day, if the MPAA feels like it.

I would guess AOTC has been released in more theatres, just maybe not in the US. Maybe they need to update the accounting system to take into account global revenues.

Re:Dummy (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595258)

mod up. Lucas required long showing contracts, so small towns are showing it a lot LESS than spidey man so they don't kill their market as quickly. Also, it's shown on about 1500-2000 less overall screens. Katz obviously subscribes to the "make up stories now, research facts later" form of journalism

Why? (4, Insightful)

Triskaidekaphobia (580254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595115)

Why is Spider-Man's version surprisingly drubbing Lucas

Because it isn't part of a series (yet). It can be enjoyed as a single film.
Anyone can see Spiderman; to see AotC you probably need some interest in Star Wars otherwise it will make no sense

new generation rights (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595121)

BBBBaaahhhhlllloooowwww Me.

NEWSFLASH: People prefer good movies... (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595129) mediocre ones. Yup. Spiderman is a better movie, and people like it more. Whoda thunk it?

Oddly (since I've been a SW fan since it opened, when I was 10), I haven't seen either yet (due to a lack of time). But friends who have seen both like Spiderman enough to see it a second time (apparently it's a good date flick). I don't know anyone, other than a few obsessive fanboys, who want to sit through AoTC twice.

An issue of generational turnover, how? (5, Insightful)

Kalabajoui (232671) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595131)

"The next generation unseated its elders -- as is the right of every generation - and is making its own culture, moving away from ours."

Uh, exactly which generation is Spiderman supposed to represent? As a GenXer it's older than me, and if I'm not mistaken, is a far older tale than Star Wars.

Errr...surly its because it's not very good (2)

00_NOP (559413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595132)

And "Episode One" wasn't eaxctly a thrill either.

Shiny shit still stinks. (4, Insightful)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595135)

I wish that Kurtz (wasn't this the name of the guy that "helped" Lucas with ep 4,5?) would make his own versions of ep 1-3. They were supposed to be much much darker and much more interesting.

Though I hope that the "new generation" goes for the Tolkien movies rather than X-men/Spiderman/the Hulk

Re:Shiny shit still stinks. (5, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595222)

I'm afraid, since Episode I came out, Kurtz spends all his time sitting in darkened movie theatres muttering "The horror, the horror"...

Give the "kids" some credit (2)

s20451 (410424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595136)

I saw Spider-Man, and thought it was fun, fast, refreshing, well-written, and sensitive. Then I saw AOTC, and thought it was pedantic, saccharine, slow, and irritating.

Give the "kids" some credit for being able to determine which movies are the most entertaining, rather than assuming that they are all following the instincts of mass culture. Also, it should be pointed out that the Spider-Man franchise is older than Star Wars by several decades.

Intellectual opinion (1)

flipip23 (571097) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595137)

I don't give a crap Jon, AoTC is a good film. I'm sure Spiderman is too.

Now go and do something something useful, please.

Cultural rebellion or simple boredom? (5, Insightful)

bildstorm (129924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595138)

As much as Star Wars is the victim of hype, I'm starting to feel that Jon is hyping up this big revelation.

Granted, within the context of a simple article of standard size for Slashdot, it's not easy to really dig in, but there could have been far more research into this and far less hyping up a comparison of two films. Perhaps the whole Spider-Man did better because of the comic books and so on which reach a younger generation far better than novels do. Perhaps there was wariness initiall since The Phantom Menace was such a (relative) flop.

A lot of platitudes and no facts. I'm sorry Jon. Sometimes you're really on, but this is a sad piece for a journalist of your credentials.

wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595139)

Did *anyone* understand what the hell Katz is trying to say? The first paragraph alone reads like some drivel from a highbrow english prof who's trying to impress the co-eds in order to get laid. Lots of noise, no signal.

SHUT UP KATZ (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595140)


New culture replacing old? (3, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595141)

"The next generation unseated its elders -- as is the right of every generation - and is making its own culture, moving away from ours."

What is this tripe? Spiderman is older than Star Wars!

Uh, No. (2)

johnburton (21870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595145)

It's because episode one wasn't very good so it's put people off going to see episode 2. That's it. Duh. And what is that first paragraph trying to say. The words are English, but whole sentances make no sense.

Episode 3 (4, Interesting)

coryboehne (244614) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595146)

There is a good chance however that with the release of episode 3, that once the series is complete you will see a major increase in not only box office revenues, but also in home video sales, I know that I for one will be buying the box set. And when one keeps in mind that the entire series is really one movie split into different parts, this is most likely one of the highest grossing movies to ever be released. In addition to this, it is a fact that sequels (and in this case prequels) historically don't generate much revenue (look at Rocky and Rambo) so when you consider the movie in light of this, I think it is pretty impressive that they were able to generate the amount of revenue that they did.

Jon, I went to your deli in NYC (Katz's) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595147)

I had a pistrami sandwich - it was good.
I like the sign you hung on the wall above the table where President Clinton ate - complete with a list of what he ordered.

yeah.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595148)

And maybe the fact that the same geeks went to both filmd has something to do with it. And the fact that SpiderMan opened in MANY more thearters. I'm all for looking at social meaning where it is, but Jon, you need to realize that not EVERYTHING is a paradigm shift.

Anyone who did the math knew that Spider-Man was going to make more money. The lucus camp came right out and said that they never expected to make that kind of money.

Also, I found all the 'patriotic' crap in Spider-Man to be a little more heavy handed than I could stomache. The parts you outline in the film are mostly the parts of the film I sat through wondering what committee decided to add what.

Spiderman exploitive.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595149)

Thats nice katz. Support a film that is misogynist and generally exploitive of women. "oh oh protect me spidey", "i can't love you but i can protect you", "hey how to my breats look when they are all wet and you are upside down?"

but hey, according to you it seems that that is what we expect from todays generation? so its allright then, as long as its expected.

maybe lucas needs to do what he used to (1)

clarkc3 (574410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595153)

He should be more hands off - as he was in The Empire Strikes back. He wrote the story but let 2 other people write the screenplay version (Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan). He also turned over the directing and producing to others as well. Maybe this has some link to why its my favorite Star Wars

Other factors (5, Interesting)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595155)

Spider-Man opened on almost twice the screens AotC's did and I'll be amazed if SM makes any significent money outside the US. I've yet to meet anyone here (UK) who's interested in it despite knowing a lot of comic collectors that loved "X-Men"; it also looks awful from the trailers that have appeared in the cinemas.


A long way of saying... (1)

Little Dave (196090) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595156)

... Episode 1 was shit so the kids stayed away from Episode 2.

Police Academy 6 didn't do so good at the box-office, but I would suspect that the reasons for this are more to do with the legacy of past mistakes than the lack of love, loss, conflict and fantasy.

the answer is obvious... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595157)

Attack of the clones was ruined by the analog copying of the film... Surely it would have taken in 20Trillion in the first 2 days if you werent able to download and view a really crappy, pixelated copy off of the internet and view it for free...

What, the movie studios don't lie... do they?

#ifdef REALITY
How about the whole thing is getting tired?

911? (1)

Triskaidekaphobia (580254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595158)

Lucas seemed to fall out of touch with post-9/11 America

So for a film to be globally successful (read: profitable) it has to pander to the sensibilities to those still so upset by the terrorist attacks that they can't bear to see the World Trade Center depicted, innocently, on screen?

tick. tick. tick. (1)

rob colonna (72681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595162)

The sound you hear is the clock running out for Star Wars bashers.

Enough people are doing it now that it will soon be un-hip.

In fact, someday, it may even become cool to say you like it, albeit with a knowing wink, since you still have to prove that you're clever enough to realize it's just a space opera.

In the meantime, i'm going to see it a few more times and have a head start on all of you.

A simpler explanation. (4, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595163)

There may be a simpler explanation than cultural shifts laboriously hypothesized by Jon Katz:

Spiderman is a good movie. Star Wars: Attack of the Clones is not. Would Spiderman, had it been contemporaneous, have trounced the original Star Wars or The Empire strikes Back? I seriously doubt it.

Lucas had a simple good vs. evil story to tell in the original Star Wars. It did not require laborious scenes reminiscent of CSPAN in Space to explain. It was not about the special effects. They were there to serve the movie, not vice-versa as one might believe in the recent additions to the Star Wars saga.

Tastes have not changed radically. The quality of Star Wars movies has.

Jon Katz == Alan Sokal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595165)

That's the impression I get, anyway. This is a story? This is something that matters? C'mon.

If you don't know who Sokal [] are, you should read up [] .

Elders? (2)

PinkStainlessTail (469560) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595166)

The next generation unseated its elders

Spider-Man is the next generation after Star Wars? Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but isn't Spider-Man an older story?

Confused... (2)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595167)

Harrison Ford's Hans Solo

So...did Hans trade in his silver skates for a millennium falcon?

Come again (1)

gowen (141411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595168)

The next generation unseated its elders and is making its own culture
And is being spoonfed by Stan Lee, rather than George Lucas
balked at mega-hype
settling instead for only maxi-hype
Rediscovered ... the love story
... discovered they preferred their mawkish, cliched love stories without laughably bad dialogue
some patriotism
Decided that the idea of a corrupt politician talking up his enemies (why not just call the Trade Federation "the axis of evil" and have done) and manipulating the senate to curtail civil liberties and increase defence expenditure was too close to home, compared with "Hooray! Super Heroes! We're #1! Ra! Ra! Ra!"

Yeah, way to go us...

I especially like the part in Spiderman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595170)

when Spidey spun a web around Larry McVoy and threw him into the sewer.

Katz, dont you ever stop? (2, Insightful)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595171)

Both of these are highly commercial movies with dubious acting and a ridiculous amount of special effects shots.

Both of these cost a bundle to make. Spider-man cost MORE to make than Attack of the Clones.

Spider-Man spent MORE on marketing than Attack of the Clones.

I see Spider-Man marketing all over the place, including stupid ads for Carls Jr. Is this really any less of a sellout than Lucas/SW?

When Spider-Man #3 comes out (and if the movies keep making anywhere near this much this much money, it will), Katz will be one of the elitests crying about what sellouts Raimi and Maguire are, bet on it.

There's nothing to see here. As usual Katz is reading a lot more into something than actually exists.

Screens (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595174)

Yeah, so the 3,800 or so screens that Spider-Man is running on (even more than Shrek), compared to ~1,000 less for Attack of the Clones has nothing to do with it, eh?

Rami doesn't give a damn if the theater is "Billy Bob & A Projector", Spider-Man will still show. At least Lucas wants to make sure every theater showing Star Wars is equipped with certain basics, such as digital sound.

You also need to look at the fact that people have been clinging to their Spider-Man comics their whole lives. Of course there's going to be a build-up, of three generations OR MORE who are eagerly anticipating a big budget version of the comic brought to life on film. On the other hand, most people have already seen FOUR Star Wars movies, and a lot of people who aren't die hard fans figure that they can wait a few weeks, or even for its video/DVD release before they see it. They've seen it before, and they'll want to see the new one, but they're in no rush to wait in long(er) lines at the theater to see it in the first week or two.

Only an idiot would say that Star Wars is losing it and Spider-Man "has it all" based on nothing but box office reciepts. If you continued to use that logic, Titanic would be "the best film ever made" while something like Blade Runner would be "complete crap."

Give me a break, and my 10 minutes back that I spent reading this topic and writing my reply.

Please, NO MORE 9/11 EXCUSES! (2, Interesting)

wumarkus420 (548138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595176)

Lucas seemed to fall out of touch with post-9/11 America.

If ATOC had addressed 9/11 in a similar fashion as Spiderman, I would have picked up a light saber myself and done an Anakin-style massacre at Skywalker Ranch. While I personally thought Spiderman was better, I think the 9/11 patriotic stuff is contrived and trite at this point in time. For me, it made the movie worse.

AOTC review from the Brunching Shuttlecocks (2, Interesting)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595177)

I can't imagine there are many here who don't check the Brunching Shuttlecocks on a regular basis, but here's [] the Self-Made Critic's review of AOTC.

"You see Mr Lucas, you suck as a writer. Really awful. And your's not very good either. So here's the deal. You write up an outline (no dialogue allowed) of Episode Three. You then hire a competent and hip writer, someone younger than, say, fifty. Said writer writes Episode Three, based on your notes. Then, you go and hire yourself a hot, fresh director--or Steven Spielberg, he'd do. You let them direct the movie while you sit back and collect lots of money. Everybody wins.

If you do that, we promise to go see it. And we will not burn you in effigy."

Much simpler than that (5, Insightful)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595178)

We don't want to be annoyed. We hated Scrappy Doo, we hated Oliver on the Brady Bunch. And we hate Jar Jar. I was HOPING that I wouldn't hear the word "meesa" come out of his mouth, but I did. That's point one.

Point two is that Lucas doesn't seem to demand much from his actors. Everyone in the film was a decent actor, but they were just coasting in this one. Easy work, for a nice fat check. That flew just fine with the original Star Wars, but now it's just stupid looking and awkward feeling.

But, back to the annoying sidekick. They just don't work. They never worked. Everyone hates them. If you like them, you are by definition outside the mainstream. Someday, if I ever become an editor or movie producer, I'm going to insist that every single thing made has an annoying sidekick or two in it. In fact, I'm going to insist that they all say the word "meesa" at least a hundred times. My goal will be to make the world so SICK of annoying sidekicks that future generations will not be plagued by this twist of storytelling idiocy.

JKatz strikes again... (2)

blankmange (571591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595180)

Our favorite flametroll and his opinion piece on AotC vs. Spiderman (note: when I wrote and submitted my review/opinion of AotC, it was rejected)... or should this have been subtitled: JKatz and his big schtick stir the pot yet again.

Unfortunately, as usual, he botches his point again in trying to compare the two movies -- comparing these two on any level other than monetary is ridiculous: they are two different kinds of films. Granted, they both appeal to the tech/nerd/geek -- but for different reasons. People didn't flock to one or the other due to the mythological differences or because one or the other tells the same story but better... what tripe.

I vote for boycotting JKatz altogether....

Oh dear.. (1)

kafka93 (243640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595181)

Dear Lord. I don't like to jump on board the "let's bash JonKatz" bandwagon, but the man surely has to be trolling.

Slashdot has itself posted links to intelligent essays that debunk the whole "Star Wars mythology" nonsense, and yet Katz continues to blather about it. The whole 9/11 thing is just ridiculous -- why *should* Lucas care about, or make any reference to, the incident? And the suggestion that the millions of kids nowadays are somehow no longer disenfranchised from government and politics is.. wrong, stupid, ignorant, ludicrous.

Spider-man less hyped than Star Wars? Hardly. The movie showed in more places, was massively advertised, tied in to various "synergic" marketing campaigns, etc. etc. etc. By contrast, AOTC's launch was incredibly quiet, at least from where I was sitting. Lucas made mistakes with the first film, yes - and has learned from them. AOTC isn't a great movie, certainly (not that Spider-man *is*), but to continue bashing it for the failures of the first movie is childish.

Yes, AOTC is convuluted and doesn't really know what it's doing. But to pitch it against Spider-man in this way doesn't serve any purpose -- they're very different movies, and Katz is just being lazy and sensationalist (once again). Why is this man getting paid to write such unmitigated nonsense?


Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595183)


In the words of Mark Twain... (1)

john82 (68332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595188)

"There are lies, damnable lies, and statistics."

1) Yes, the latest Star Wars is worst thing I've ever seen from Lucas. I can only hope that if there is another chapter, we can dispense with the love story for 80% of the movie and rely on action for 80%.

2) It is beyond disingenuous to cite the take from opening days of each movie without considering the number of screens involved. Spiderman was running on a many more screens than Star Wars: Attack of the Hormones.

Are you a journalism student? (1)

globaljustin (574257) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595190)

This analysis article sounds like the overdramatized fluff that I subjected my proffesors to when I was in school. John Katz??? Who the ----?

Really, the difference in money intake of these movies is negligable, and partially due to the fact that the AOTC was shown on fewer theaters worldwide, and won't even open until next month in some countries.

There is no overarching generaltional statement in the ticket sales of these two movies. Since when do you judge a movie's impact on ticket sales alone anyway?

Re:Are you a journalism student? (2)

Scoria (264473) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595268)

He seems to be a jack [] of [] all [] trades [] who must reference September 11 in every article he authors. You certainly aren't [] the only individual who isn't fond of his "work."

Summary (1)

aron_wallaker (93905) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595192)

In a nutshell : Jon Katz bitterly dislikes AoTC, seems to have liked Spiderman.

Now why is this newsworthy for a second (or is it third) time ?

"balked at mega-hype"? (3, Interesting)

carlhirsch (87880) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595193)

According to, Spider-Man spent $50 million on marketing to Attack of the Clones' $25 million. Doesn't sound like Spider-Man was lacking in a hype budget. Looks like the production budget for Spider-Man was higher than AotC by $15 million as well.

Re:"balked at mega-hype"? (2)

carlhirsch (87880) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595230)

Gah. that's
here [] and here []

So... (1, Troll)

perlyking (198166) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595195)

Americans like jingoistic films?

Tell us something we didnt know :-)

Just Showing Your Ignorance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595199)

I liked Spiderman and AoTC. But for your information, dumb@$#, Spiderman opened in considerably more theatres than Lucas' request. Get your facts together before you start spouting about crap you know nothing about.

Another inane article (2, Insightful)

Scoria (264473) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595200)


You do realize that Star Wars: Episode II premiered in an amount of theaters significantly less than that of Spider-Man?

You do realize that Spider-Man's marketing campaign began prior to last August, nearly a full year before its theatrical release? If I recall correctly, one of its first teaser trailers was appended to all prints of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, a movie that was released on July 11, 2001. (That was my AC post you read earlier. :p)

And finally, you do realize that both Spider-Man and Star Wars: Episode II are already most likely classified as "blockbusters" by the MPAA?

The narrow margin by which Spider-Man has defeated Star Wars isn't worthy of an article.

JonKatz.. (1)

shawnmelliott (515892) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595202) a BLASPHEMER.

You talk of spiderman, and that it perhaps will overcome Star Wars.. You have joined the Dark Side.

Yoda "Evil is he, Jon Katz... Yeeess"

Holy Crap (2)

dmarcov (461598) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595203)

Are you out of step or what?

Maybe because Episode 2 wasn't shown on as many screens, it has to be blamed on "the kids" (what? the same kids that invented the internet?) decided that another commercialized story is somehow more "pure" than another -- and to suggest that Spider-Man, put out by the studio of fake movie critics, and marketing folks disguised as happy movie goers is somehow the antithesis of hype -- jeesh.

And /then/ to suggest all of this means some sort of paradigm, generational shift ... and here I thought his film reviews were pompous and self absorbed.

But what is a saga (2, Insightful)

zaphod (2284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595205)

I view Star Wars and Lord of the Ring series as Sagas. On going movies that carry a central story. I don't see that with Spider Man. There I see sequels coming out that very loosely tie previous movies together. For those who have seen Spider Man know the thin basis of the next movies. But Spider Man II will not carry an epic or a saga with it. It will just be a sequel. Personally, I liked Spider Man, but I like the saga of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings better. Just my $0.02 USD.


I've got a better theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595213)

You can dispense of all this bourgeois film market conjecture (this guy sounds like he's writing from his 332nd-floor loft on Coruscant) if you look at the real deal.

Geeks are male. Wet t-shirt scene in Spider Man. Nuff said.

AOTC = bad movie; SPIDER-MAN = good movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595218)

It's really that simple. And the only reason anyone's going to see AOTC is because it's (allegedly) a STAR WARS movie. Lucas could put a STAR WARS logo on a bucket of his own vomit and it'd still make millions.

JonKatz... (0)

Kutsal (514445) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595219)

What the hell are you talking about...

Spoiler! Or is it? (2)

bgarcia (33222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595223)

The movie ends with Spider-man draped around an American flag on a skyscraper...

Did someone use the flag to squash Spider-man?

(Me thinks slashdot needs an editor)

katz (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595224)

did you happen to check the number of screens clones is on vs. spider man? lucas is a bit pickier what kind of theater can have his movie. he wasn't too worried about dollar signs. More Katz hype.

This probably helped... (1)

Smokinn (448830) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595228)

Here in Quebec there was a large scale boycott by independant theatre owners because of the conditions Lucas & Fox were imposing. While they were playing episode 2 it had to be in the biggest room and had to play for a minimum of 7 weeks. Small theatres can't afford to have their big room monopolised. And if that wasn't enough they were demanding 70% of the profits instead of the normal 60. I haven't seen Star Wars yet but I've seen Spider-Man. Not by choice, simply by convenience. If I wanted to see Star Wars I'd have to drive to Montreal and I don't have the time.

Lucas' Problem... (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595231)

... is: he doesn't understand acting and how to portray characters on the screen. He's great when it comes to technical details and CGI, but unfortunately he can make even the best actors seem wooden and amateurish. His fumbling attempts at romance just made me cringe.

Ignore the 3-day take (1)

EvilMagnus (32878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595235)

For crying out loud, Spiderman opened in almost *twice* the number of screens as Attack of the Clones! Lucas refused to let it show on *any* screen unless the cinema guaranteed it four weeks in that theater. So Lucas was jerk about distribution, and he paid for it. But when one film has almost 50% more seats available to it in the first week than another, you'd *expect* it to take more money. It's surprising AOTC did as well in comparison. But don't take it as some measure of Star Wars' failure.

Where does he come up with this stuff?! (2)

gergi (220700) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595236)

If you compare the movies 1 on 1, then yep, Spiderman is doing better then EpisodeII. However, what SERIES has pulled in more money? Call me when Spiderman 6 is out and we'll compare numbers for those 6 vs the 6 Star Wars movies. I would lay money that Star Wars outsells Spiderman... several times over.

If you want to talk about the generation gap, etc, you have to talk about staying power. Star Wars has much greater staying power than pretty much any other series. Liken Spiderman to Batman... the first one was great and they went downhill (very far downhill, IMHO) from there.

Print This Out - Use It To Wipe Your Ass (2, Insightful)

thelizman (304517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595237)

Once again Jon Katz goes the long way, arrives at the same point, but did so for all the wrong reasons. Star Wars "failure" to earn gobs of money doesn't represent any cultural paradigm shift, it represents simple market economics. It has competition from Spiderman, which came out first and took the first movie bucks available. Star Wars also defeated itself with the hype, convincing people that "oh well, I won't get to see it this weekend anyway", and those people went to see spiderman instead. Overall, Star Wars will trounce spiderman, but with just over one week in circulation it's not fair to already try to deem it a flop. It's also an utter stretch to imply that the underperformance of Star Wars is a reflection of some sort of grass roots revolution. It's a movie dumbass!

Katz has it arse about face (-1)

boltar (263391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595239)

Star Wars is a simple space opera with a simple plot. Its spiderman that is the naval gazing oh-so-clever film that he seems to believe has
had its day. How much does /. pay this idiot?

It's not about the younger generation. (2, Interesting)

Target Drone (546651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595242)

We saw a cultural and generational coup d'etat this month
The younger generation has not suddenly embraced a new type of myth. Everyone, including the older generations has simply embraced a better movie. Just look at Rotten Tomatoes [] . Episode II got 58% (36% from the cream of the crop) [] . Spiderman got 87% (84% from the cream of the crop) [] . Most of these critics are not the next generation, they're the old generation who simply know a better movie when they see it.

Katz learns a new word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595247)

Elephantine! Third time it's come up in as many posts. Well done Jon, you've learned a new word, but I'm afraid you're *still* writing godawful meaningless drivel.

The presumitiveness of this article makes me hurl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595250)

Just 'cuz Spider-Man happened to make a fraction more money quicklier sez nothing about the comparitive qualities of the movies.

So many reasons.... (2)

X (1235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595251)

Umm... There are like a million things that impact a movies' success in the first few weeks. I think it's rather hasty to select reasons that suit one's own agenda, and then provide no research/evidence to back one's argument's up.

Spider-man opened on a hell of a lot more screens, for starters. Interestingly, the Spider-man brand is actually *older* than the Star Wars brand, so it is entirely possible that it's actually getting more older viewers than Star Wars, rather than Katz's statement that a new, younger generation has chosen Spider-man. Let's also not forget that Spider-man has got a decently acted romantic storyline, which makes it a better date film.

Really, there are just so many reasons, it is silly to draw conclusions without some research.

Huh? (5, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595254)

Holed up in his California cocoon, Lucas seemed to fall out of touch with post-9/11 America.

Hello? He was producing a science-fiction movie. You know, A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away and all that? A movie that should have little or nothing to do with the real world. Nevermind the fact that the script for this movie was probably written many months, if not years, before 9-11.

What did you expect, some contrived pointless scene where all the Jedi stop and mention how the Coruscant police and firemen are the "real heroes"? Maybe they should have called Jango Fett a terrorist instead of a bounty hunter? Come on. Star Wars has nothing to do with our real world, it's escapism. Lucas doesn't have some sort of moral obligation to refer to or otherwise acknowledge real world events. It's a movie for God's sake.

Jesus, isn't the answer simple? (2)

vkg (158234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595256)

Lucas has lost his touch!

Plus, he's bogged down in all of this political BS, trying to teach people a little american history and political theory (I'm sure he envisages small children asking "mommy, what's a republic?"), trying to live up to his earlier achievements, trying to say something of Significance.

And failing miserably in the process.

Spidey just has to be a good movie. With AOTC, Lucas had to live up to the legacy. And blew it.

Are we comparing apples to oranges? (4, Interesting)

cutecub (136606) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595257)

Media critics love to compare gross sales of film A to gross sales of film B. But are they adjusting for inflation ( in ticket price? )

I saw Star Wars for $1.50 in 1976. I saw Spiderman for $9.00 in 2002.

What does it mean for Spiderman to gross more than Star Wars if a ticket price is 6 times what it was when Star Wars was released?

For once, I'd like to see a well-researched statistic which actually compares the number of tickets sold rather than gross sales. Then, perhaps, you could point to a trend.


Fewer theaters == Fewer $$$ (3, Redundant)

nakhla (68363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595259)

It's also important to note, however, that Spider Man opened in considerably more theaters than Star Wars. I *believe*, though I'm not sure, the number was somewhere between 1500-2000. That makes a BIG difference in the money that Star Wars pulled in.

Craftsmanship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595260)

Perhaps it has less to do with the reforging of the myth and more to do with the execution.
Although not the pinnacle of english literature, at least Spider Man's dialogue didn't appear to be read off of cue cards.
Nevermind that the (AOTC) dialogue itself seemed to have been pulled from a cheap paperback romance novel in most parts..

Post 9/11 America? (5, Insightful)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3595263)

How can you bring up 9/11 in this discussion with a straight face, Katz?

Both of these movies were long done with principal photography by 9/11/01. Spider-Man is a better movie because it inserted a couple of pro-American "If you're not with us New Yorkers you're against us" scenes?

What should Lucas have done, added a scene where the Sith fly a speeder into the Jedi temple tower?

I'm not taking any sides here in the movie debate.. I liked both of thesem movies, and unlike Jon I don't think box office equates in any way to how good a movie is (yes Jon, this is the argument you are making..try reading your own writing and you'll see it). Is Titanic really that great of a movie? By Jon's logic it is..

Seriously, Katz, doesn't journalistic integrity mean anything to you anymore?

Translated to German -- Das ReichcStolpern (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3595265)

Bekanntgegeben durch JonKatz am Dienstag Mai 28, @11:30AM
von der warum-Sternkriege-durch-die-Zicklein-vom-Sitz-gewo rfen-erhielten-abteilung.

Wir sahen einen kultureller und generationalstaatsstreich dieser Monat, mindestens in den cinematic Bezeichnungen -- wenn wir aufpaßten. Sternkriege wurden von den Millionen der rebellious Zicklein herausgefordert, die entschieden, eine neue Art Mythus zu wählen. Das folgende Erzeugung warf seine Ältesten -- wie das Recht jedes Erzeugung - vom Sitz und bildet seine eigene Kultur und bewog weg von unseren. Wenn sie so tun, verhinderten diese Zicklein an der groß--hype, wiederentdeckten Ernsthaftigkeit, Einfachheit, die Liebegeschichte, etwas Patriotismus, durchbohrten einen Milliarde-Dollar-Ballon und möglicherweise funkten sogar (relative) Bewegung a weg von den whorishsellouts, zurück zu dem einfacheren Geschichte-Erklären. I, für ein, sichere Hoffnung so.

Der Beweis: An seinen ersten vier Tagen Wars Stern: Episode 2 -- Angriff von klont verkauften fast Wert $117 Million der Karten. Als Armkreuz-Mann zwei Wochen früh öffnete, erwarb er $115 Million an gerade drei Tagen . Nicht nur das, aber das NerdNerd-arachnoiddrama erwarben andere $48 Million in der Kasse während des elephantine geöffneten des Epic WochenendenGeorge Lucas. Und er zeigt keine Zeichen des Verlangsamens. Armkreuz-Mann ist jetzt auf Schiene zu den massacre- Sternkriegen und möglicherweise vorbei heraus-erwirbt sie an den frühen Tagen des Sommers soviel wie $100 Million, wenn projizierte Muster fortfahren. Was geschah? Sie können kaum benennen klonen einen Ausfall, aber das Sehen er scheint so viel ein Reflex wie eine Wahl. Und verdient sind unterhalb der Erwartungen, in denen, während Armkreuz-Mann neu definiert, was Film groß-schlagen Sie, ist. Ich denke, daß Lucas und seine Filme haben aus ihre Publikum, Schlusse Bedeutung zu den Jungen, die realen avatars der Kultur herausgewachsen und unter ihrer eigenen enormen Schwungkraft und Gewicht suffocating.

Das späte mythologist Joseph Campbell (wer Lucas half, das Skywalker-/Vadersaga in Handarbeit zu machen), schrieb Tolkien in die Elemente des Mythus, die ist die Heroreise -- der häufig rebellious Trek weit von liebte eine und Haus, findet einen großen Lehrer, schlechte Kräfte der Schlachten in der Welt -- in jedem zugehörig großen Mythus, von den Geschichten des Höhle-Bewohners zu den Sternkriegen . Es ist zweifellos zur Geschichte von Peter Parker, ein unglückliches und unbeholfenes Zicklein zentral, das über Nacht vom Leiden an einer High School der böseen Königinnen zu den Wolkenkratzern hochfliegenden Übermanhattans auf der Suche nach dem grünen Goblin geht (Repräsentant der dunklen Seite dieses Films). Tatsächlich hat jeder große Mythus einen einsamen Hero, einen verdeckten Schuft oder zwei und dünn-verklitt geistige Wahlen zwischen Kräften von gutem (God/a.k.a. die Kraft) oder von Übel (die wörtliche dunkle Seite des Universums, das sich oben zeigt, Campbell schrieb, in Anstriche, die Tausenden Jahre alt. sind),

Warum drubbing Version des Armkreuz-Mannes überraschend Lucas, wenn ihm das globale Vorrecht auf cinematic Mythus-Marketing in Verlegenheit gebracht wird und er eins der cinematic Vorlagenmarketingspezialisten und der hype-meisters aller Zeit ist?

Einige mögliche Gründe. Das Armkreuz-Mannsaga ist eine einfache love-/adventuregeschichte, ganz wie den ersten Stern Wars , der sich nicht fast so ernst wie die pompous Folgen, die pre-quels und die gleichzeitigen Werbungen, die Lucas an der geheimen Ranch ausgebrütet wurden nahm. Im Armkreuz-Mann fühlt ein nerd powerless, erhält gebissen durch die Wanze, wird leistungsfähig, fortfährt, großes Übel zu konfrontieren (und erhält nicht das Mädchen). Luke Skywalker war auch powerless und eingeschlossen, als wir ihn zuerst trafen. Dann traf er Obi-Obi-Wan, getreten in Kontakt mit der Kraft, ging um das Universum, Übel zu kämpfen -- hochfliegend und erhielt nicht das Mädchen, auch nicht. Da die Publikums- und Industrieerwartungen des Armkreuz-Mannes niedriger waren, könnte der Film sich leisten, loser zu sein, jokier -- menschlicher. Aber schlechtes George Lucas hatte sich eine ungeheuere Bohrung gegraben.

Einfach, weil es neu ist (auf Film, mindestens), kommt Armkreuz-Mann eingehüllt in weniger hype als Sternkriege an. Als George Lucas zum resuscitate seinen Epic nach einer fast Erzeugung-langen Frist entschied, könnte er von einem classier Weg mindestens ein wenig gewählt haben und einige Begrenzungen auf das Marketing setzen, das jetzt grosse Filme versenkt. Stattdessen fungierte er wie Jabba der Hutt und gorging auf jedem Dollar, den er erhalten könnte. Die Produzenten des Lords Of The Rings bändigten die Marketing- und Spielzeuggleichzeitigen Werbungen mit Korporationspeddlingnahrung und Puppen zu den Zicklein aus Respekt für Tolkien heraus. Dieses Marken Lucas, die keine solche Begrenzung zeigten, hypocritical und pretentious - Beschmutzen der Reihe mit trolls, Ewoks, Ausländern, Soldaten, Glas-Glas Binks und seine goofy patois und allen ihren unvermeidlichen Tätigkeitsabbildungen, hellen SABRE, T-Shirts und Soda-Schalendarstellungen.

Lucas verursachte ein leuchtendes Filmsaga, dann unterschnitt es, indem er zeigte, daß es wenige Begrenzungen gab -- möglicherweise keine Begrenzungen -- auf, was er tun würde, um mehr Geld noch zu bilden. Die Anzeige zu den Zicklein besonders war folgen der Kraft, aber harken im Bargeld.

Ein Vorrecht wie Sternkriege soll gewährt werden -- und kann sich leisten -- behalten etwas von seiner Würde und bilden noch 10 von den Millionen. Die Filme bilden ein Vermögen in ihrem eigenen Recht, eine allgemeine Erfahrung, die Berichte und gleichzeitige Werbungen überschreitet. Wann ist genügend genug? Lucas kreuzte die Linie und cheapened seine Filme.

Er vernachlässigte auch, oben auf Büchern Campbell auf der Energie und den Elementen des Mythus zu entbeinen. Armkreuz-Mann ist eine einfache Liebegeschichte über jugendlich-gealtertes angst: ein Zicklein fast, das jedes auf beziehen kann, wird plötzlich durch eine große Energie umgewandelt, festhält sich touchingly und, zu den Bezeichnungen mit der hilariously zu kommen und konfrontiert ein einzelnes schlechtes Halteseil und vanquishes ihn, zwar nicht ohne Kosten. Stichhaltiges Vertrautes? Es soll zu. Das war mehr oder weniger das Gefühl, trotz des imperialen Todessternes, der ursprünglichen Sternkriege . Armkreuz-Mann war ein Karikaturmythus -- zerteilen von der sobald-leuchtenden Wundercomicsfabrik, Balsam zu den nerds der Zeit -- und der Film vergißt nicht seine Wurzeln im Dialog, im Plotten oder in der Tätigkeit.

Aber was ist Angriff von klont ungefähr? Die Genealogie Skywalker? Die schlechten Ursprung des Reiches? Die Geburt des Troopers des Reiches? Der Aufstieg und der Fall der Königin von Naboo und sie tormented Geliebten und kompliziertes Sekundärteilchen? Gewerkschaften und ihr Verhältnis zur Galaxie? Gesetzgebende Körper und ihr Platz in der galaktischen Geschichte? Lucas nähert sich dem Leben und Zeiten von biographer Robert Caro Darth Vader auf beinahe gleiche Art und Weise erforscht das Leben und die Zeiten des Expräsidenten LBJ (seins neuestes Buch, das 1.300 Seiten lang ist -- und das gerade eine Ausgabe von projizierten vier ist). Interessieren wir uns wirklich genau, wie Anakin Skywalker weg pissed und an die dunkle Seite gewendet erhielt? Oder würden wir -- besonders das jüngste unter uns -- glücklich sein, Yoda zu sehen, herum zu blitzen sein Licht-Light-saber und seine Nachahmung Jackie Chan zu tun?

Armkreuz-Mann ist auf anderen Niveaus, auch interessant. Es ist ein Film sehr neuen Yorks, Satz in den Arbeiterklasseköniginnen und unter den spires von Manhattan. Es ist unabashedly inländisch und patriotisch, selbst als Sternkriege im Ton und im Gefühl pointedly aus dem Jenseits ist. Die Armkreuz-Mann- Szene in der neuer Beifall Yorkers unser Hero von der Brücke Queensborough betrachten Sie. Sie ist heavy-handed aber interessierend. Der Film beendet mit dem Armkreuz-Mann, der um eine amerikanische Markierungsfahne auf einem Wolkenkratzer nicht drapiert wird weit von, wo die Welthandelmitteaufsätze verwendeten zu stehen. Durchlöchert oben in seinem Kalifornienkokon, Lucas schien, aus Note mit post-9/11 Amerika heraus zu fallen. Er hatte zu viel Genealogie zum ungefähr Sorgen. Aber die Produzenten des Armkreuz-Mannes , mit einigen last-minute Justagen, lasen sie recht. Sternkriege wurden in einer Ära begriffen, als Han Harrison Fords allein tadellos den Disenchantment eines Erzeugung mit Regierung und Politik verkörperte. Peter Parker hat eine andere Ansicht und also tun Sie die Millionen der Zicklein, die seinen Film einen Smash bilden.

Angriff von klont ist eine Vorsichtsgeschichte, ganz recht, aber möglicherweise nicht der ein beabsichtigte Lucas. Die reale Lektion ist, wenn Sie versuchen, die großen Filme hauptsächlich für die Junge zu bilden, vermeiden pomposity, Selbst-Nachsicht und zu viel Self-reference. Halten Sie die Geschichte einfach, frei und rührend. Erinnern Sie daran, daß Filme das Leben widerspiegeln. Filme so sind über Liebe, Verlust, Konflikt und Phantasie. Armkreuz-Mann- Unterhaelte die sehr viel im Verstand. Angriff von klont scheint, ihn vergessen zu haben. Das ist, warum Zicklein sich wiederholt zu einer neuen Vielzahl des Mythus scharen und wirft das Regieren vom Sitz.
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<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>