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New GNU Hurd Kernel Released

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the not-just-chewing-their-cud dept.

GNU is Not Unix 419

Anonymous Coward writes "I don't know if there is much interest out there, but GNU Mach Kernel 1.3 was just released a couple days ago. (May 28)." Looking forward to that 2002 release...

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First Post (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609693)

Despite Shitty Slashcode.

Re:First Post (-1)

Tubcat (561572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609775)

Way to go man. I didn't think you were going to pull it off too, but it seems your clutch when it matters.

Although you didn't dedicate the first, at least you made fun of Slashdot and dirty GNU hippies.

I am TEH fat kitty! [tubcat.com]

Re:First Post (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609970)

All FPs are by default dedicated to the C.L.I.T., or "Cliticated".

AN RMS FAVORITE! BAKED APPLE PANCAKES!! YUM YUMMMM (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609694)

Baked Apple Pancakes

Ingredients
3/4 cup all-purpose flour
3 Tablespoons sugar
1/4 teaspoon salt
3 eggs
3/4 cup light cream
1 Tablespoon butter
1 or 2 cooking apples
2 Tablespoons brown sugar
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon
2 Tablespoons melted butter


Heat iron, oven-proof skillet and spray with non-stick cooking spray. Mix flour, sugar, salt, eggs, cream and 1 Tablespoon butter. Mix well. Pour into hot skillet and cook over medium heat. Lay the apples, quartered and thinly sliced, over the top of batter, completely covering the surface. Mix the brown sugar and cinnamon and sprinkle on top of apple slices. Drizzle 2 Tablespoons melted butter all over the top. Bake at 400 degrees until done (it puffs).

Re:AN RMS FAVORITE! BAKED APPLE PANCAKES!! YUM YUM (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609712)

Yummy!!!! I'm gonna have to try that!

I'm telling ya, a recipe for Hot Braised Chicken weould be AWESOME.

CHINESE BRAISED CHICKEN FOR YOU! (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609749)

Cantonese Braised Chicken(Gu Yo Ji)


Ingredients
1 chicken, about 2 1/2 lb
2 teaspoons freshly ground black pepper
2 teaspoons shredded root ginger
5 tablesppons dark soy sauce
3 tablespoons dry sherry
1 tablespoon sugar
3 tablespoons vegetable oil
3 1/2 fl oz chicken stock
1 lettuce

Preparation
Rub the inside and outside of the chicken the pepper and ginger. Mix soy sauce, sherry and sugar. Marinate chicken with mixture for about 20 minutes; turn the chicken occasionally.
Heat oil in a wok and brown the chicken all over. Pour in the marinade liquid mixture with chicken stock and simmer over low heat for 45 minutes. Turn occasionally.
To serve, chop whole chicken into small pieces and arrange neatly on a bed of lettuce leaves. Pour remaining sauce over chicken.

Serves 6 people

Re:AN RMS FAVORITE! BAKED APPLE PANCAKES!! YUM YUM (-1, Troll)

Stuff That Splatters (582396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609862)

you missed the step where you add six cups of filthy, greasy hippie sperm and stir

Get it right (5, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609703)

Its called the GNU/GNU Hurd, because its part of the GNU/System

Re:Get it right (2, Funny)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609782)

Its called the GNU/GNU Hurd, because its part of the GNU/System

Well, since GNU is already recursive, obviously it should be used recursively as well. You should probably add a "GNU/" for each compile since it was compiled with gcc. So by now it's (\Pi_0^{\infty} GNU/)Hurd, that's GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/[...]/GNU/Hurd...

Of course, you can probably run a (or any number of) virtual hurd(s) on a hurd system, so it would be GNU/GNU/[...]/GNU/GNU/Hurd/Hurd/[...]/Hurd/Hurd.

Oh, and microkernels seem to be out of fashion again...but who really cares about technical details when we can poke fun at RMS instead!

Re:Get it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609833)

dont you mean GNU/RMS?

Re:Get it right (-1)

ChristmasTroll (571911) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609871)

Don't you have work to do or something? Jesus christ man, get out more often.

ho ho ho merry fucking christmas!

Re:Get it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610067)

Ah comedy. So elusive. First guy was funny. Your post wasn't.

I HAD A GNU HURD KERNEL OF CORN IN MY STOOL TODAY. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609785)

n/m

Re:I HAD A GNU HURD KERNEL OF CORN IN MY STOOL TOD (0)

Stuff That Splatters (582396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609993)

As one quite interested in Stuff That Splatters, I trust you saved a specimen of said stool for me to examine, catalogue and then, quite possibly, bread and deep-fry?

Previous Humour (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609902)

Let's just get all the jokes out of the way in one post shall we. All of these are shamelessly copied from previous HURD discussions right here on Slashdot.

I am looking forward to running a Hurd system. "Hurd" is much easier to pronounce than "GhNU slash Linux" is. I think that Torvalds guy should give more consideration to how he names his creations, like the GNU guys do.

Does Hurd bring other advantages to it that Darwin doesn't already have? Well, yes! The big difference is that Hurd is named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms. Darwin isn't. So there you go!

We should all use Hurd instead of Linux. Linux numbers disk partitions from 1 (/dev/hda1, /dev/hda2, ...), while GRUB, the Hurd bootloader, numbers partitions from 0. As any self-respecting computer scientist knows, it is more proper to index things beginning with 0. Therefore, Hurd is a superior operating system, and we should all immediately switch to Hurd.

Re:Previous Humour (1)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609929)

We should all use Hurd instead of Linux. Linux numbers disk partitions from 1 (/dev/hda1, /dev/hda2, ...), while GRUB, the Hurd bootloader, numbers partitions from 0. As any self-respecting computer scientist knows, it is more proper to index things beginning with 0. Therefore, Hurd is a superior operating system, and we should all immediately switch to Hurd.

Fool. Everyone knows REAL PROGRAMMERS write in FORTRAN, which indexes arrays starting with 1. (unless explicitly specified otherwise). That is why GNU/REAL PROGRAMMERS will run their punch-card programs on the GNU/HURD.

Re:Get it right (5, Funny)

forgoil (104808) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610054)

My math skills are far from what they used to be, but something divided by the same thing becomes one. Hence Gnu/Gnu = 1, so it should be 1 Hurd. And who cares about that 1 anyways? So it's should be Hurd.

Ok, I'm dumb. So reply me ^_~

Re:Get it right (5, Funny)

rknop (240417) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610099)

My math skills are far from what they used to be, but something divided by the same thing becomes one. Hence Gnu/Gnu = 1, so it should be 1 Hurd. And who cares about that 1 anyways? So it's should be Hurd.

But if there's only 1, it's hardly a Hurd. It's probably just one Bison. But GNU bison has been around forever, so why is any of this news?

-Rob

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609705)

w00t!

5th post (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609711)

Bend over...

This doesn't mean (2, Funny)

matithyahu (560061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609717)

That RMS will stop bugging everyone about calling it GNU/Linux though

Re:This doesn't mean (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609759)

i was gonna say that,
if only i had mod points to mod you up...

TRUE OR FALSE: RMS IS ACTUALLY THE GOATSE.CX GUY? (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610018)

(n/m)

Re:This doesn't mean (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610031)

Hurd stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And Hird stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth".

However, to appease RMS, Hird should stand for "GNU/Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". Which means it's really "Ghird". So now, Hurd is "Ghird of Unix-Replacing Daemons"... Ghurd. But now, Hird is "Gghird" and Hurd is "Gghurd" making it Ggghird and Ggghurd...

So, from now on, please refer to Hurd as GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGhurd.

Debian GNU/Hurd (1)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609719)

When Debian ports it, i'll try it out. I got the last version to run. Sort of interesting, but not nearly as robust as (GNU/)Linux. apt-get install hurd ;o)

Re:Debian GNU/Hurd (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609773)

> When Debian ports it, i'll try it out.

It's work in progress, and already usable. See http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for installation instructions.

By the way, Mach isn't "the hurd kernel", as Michael implies. The Hurd is userspace servers - therefore then name "Hird of Unix-replacing _Daemons_".

announcement (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609721)

From: Roland McGrath
To: info-gnu AT gnu.org, bug-hurd AT gnu.org
Subject: GNUmach 1.3 released
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:31:55 -0400 (EDT)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

We are pleased to announce version 1.3 of the GNU distribution of the
Mach kernel. It may be found in the file (about 3.6 MB compressed)
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnumach/gnumach-1.3.tar.gz ;
unidiffs from version 1.2 (about 310 KB compressed) are in
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnumach/gnumach-1.2-1.3.di ff . z.

This distribution is only for x86 PC machines.
Volunteers interested in ports to other architectures are eagerly sought.

We are no longer actively developing version 1.x of GNU Mach. We plan to
make only necessary bug fixes or trivial enhancements in the 1.x line,
and make further 1.x releases only as necessary for those purposes.
New development efforts have been underway for some time on a new version
of GNU Mach using the OSKit from the University of Utah for hardware
support. Those efforts previously called OSKit-Mach are now working
towards the future version 2.0 of GNU Mach.

Aside from bug fixes, major changes from 1.2 (from the NEWS file) are:

The kernel now directly supports "boot scripts" in the form of multiboot
module names with the same syntax as the Hurd's `serverboot' program.
That is, instead of telling GRUB "module /boot/serverboot", you can give
GRUB a series of command like "module /hurd/ext2fs ${...}" where the
syntax after "module" is the same as in boot scripts for Hurd's `serverboot'.

The kernel message device `kmsg' is now enabled by default.
- --disable-kmsg turns it off.

Large disks (>= 10GB) are now correctly supported, the new get_status
call DEV_GET_RECORDS can return the number of records of a device.

Lots of tweaks have been done to the virtual memory management to make
it perform better on today's machines.

The console supports ANSI escape sequences for colors and attributes.

Support for the terminal speeds B57600 and B115200 has been added.

Bug reports relating to this distribution should be sent to
bug-hurd AT gnu.org. Requests for assistance should be made on
help-hurd AT gnu.org.

The md5sum checksums for this distribution are:

61e90803889b079a380e30056b21d076 gnumach-1.3.tar.gz
56ca6aa9040c4d4c4ef7a9757bb0509c gnumach-1.2-1.3.diff.gz

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Re:announcement (3, Funny)

mccalli (323026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609832)

Large disks (>= 10GB)

Reminds me of a book I used to have, "Programming 68000 Assembler". This excellent book was obviously written by an old cynic, and aged very well. However, it did contain the immortal line:

"Today's powerful Unix systems often contain as much as 256k of memory"

Yes. k. Not Gig. Not even Meg. k.

Aah, for the good old days when programmers were programmers and a complete game of Chess could be fitted into a 1k ZX81. Hmmm, on second thoughts - maybe not.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:announcement (2, Offtopic)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609983)

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Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use

[emphasis me]

well thats interesting, they're not using GNUpg [gnupg.org]

Question... (3, Interesting)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609727)

Has anybody hurd of any possible gold releases of the HURD and/or any existing Linux vendor support (RH, SuSe)?

Re:Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609800)

hurd is still very much beta and for hackers/designers only.

Re:Question... (3, Informative)

vidarh (309115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609843)

Go to kt.zork.net [zork.net] and follow the updates on building a Hurd version of Debian... I believe there's been stuff on there about ISOs.

I'm going going to use any kernel that... (2, Troll)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609738)

Takes until May 2002 to support larger than 10gig hard drives, sorry.

Quote:
28 May 2002
We are pleased to announce version 1.3 of the GNU distribution of the Mach kernel, featuring advanced boot script support, support for large disks (>= 10GB) and an improved console.

Re:I'm going going to use any kernel that... (4, Insightful)

vidarh (309115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609830)

This is a microkernel. It's not supposed to be full of features, only support a minimal set of functionality to write servers for to implement a full kernel. Stuffing all kinds of extra driver support in there would be completely counter productive, as the servers running on top of it would most likely provide their own drivers for most hardware anyway.

linux replacement (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609740)

I hope this can replace linux, 'cause linux sucks really bad and is near death.

In case it gets slashdoted (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609741)

The latest release of GNU Mach is version 1.3, 2002-05-28. It features:

* Bug fixes.
* The kernel now directly supports "boot scripts" in the form of multiboot module names with the same syntax as the Hurd's serverboot program. That is, instead of telling GRUB module /boot/serverboot, you can give GRUB a series of commands like module /hurd/ext2fs ${...} where the syntax after module is the same as in boot scripts for Hurd's serverboot.
* The kernel message device kmsg is now enabled by default. --disable-kmsg turns it off.
* Large disks (>= 10GB) are now correctly supported, the new get_status call DEV_GET_RECORDS can return the number of records of a device.
* Lots of tweaks have been done to the virtual memory management to make it perform better on today's machines.
* The console supports ANSI escape sequences for colors and attributes.
* Support for the terminal speeds B57600 and B115200 has been added.

Re:In case it gets slashdoted (1, Troll)

mactari (220786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609780)

I don't think it'd matter if it was. Them GNU/html pages are pretty GNU/plain. I think that Atari 800 web server (http://kl.net/atari/) could handle the load. ;^)

(note that I'm really not making fun of the pages. Gettin' a little tired of "text via Flash" myself)

Newsflash : GNU/joke found dead (-1, Offtopic)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609915)

As in beating a dead GNU/horse.

Re:In case it gets slashdoted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609966)

Heh, it's nice to see that it finally supports hard drives that are available today. And I mean *minimally* available. You have to look pretty hard to find a HD = 10 gig. And ANSI! Man! That's really up to date! Nothing like a kernel that just now comes up to speed with 5 to 20 year old tech. As others have pointed out. What a collossal waste of time.

Zero significance (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609742)

The only reason it appears on GNU/Slashdot is because of GNU/Slashdot's long-standing history of kissing Stallman's fat ass at every opportunity.

excellent (3, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609747)

I have been looking forward to this. Last quarter I migrated our entire server farm from a Linux/BSD/Windows ME combination (talk about support nightmares!) to Hurd, and I haven't looked back. The changelog [gnu.org] promises new drivers (yum!) as well as support for files > 17MB and protected memory. It doesn't get any sweeter than this.

For those still using legacy systems, a little background: the GNU Hurd is the official GNU microkernel. Because it's smaller than Linux, you get faster I/O at the cost of greater instability, a tradeoff most sysadmins are quick to take.

I've used it in a production-level enterprise environment, at home on the desktop, and even on my palmtop. Even my grandmother can do the base install. This is truly the wave of the future.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609774)

The changelog [gnu.org] promises

Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs! Don't forget the http://!

Re:excellent (0, Troll)

kafka93 (243640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609806)

"a tradeoff most sysadmins are quick to take."? Blimey, I'm glad I don't work where you do or deal with any of your systems...

Surely no self-respecting sysadmin (by which I mean 'person administering real machines for real-life applications', and not 'hacker sitting at home') would make this tradeoff at all, let alone 'quickly'? To each their own, but the mind boggles..

Re:excellent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609895)

Please go to your corner and consider yourself successfully trolled.

moderation (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609909)

Please, will somebody add an option to score a comment "stupid"?

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609931)

YHBT [tuxedo.org] 'd.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610043)

ahem. the full acronym is: YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Re:excellent (0)

AngryAndDrunk (574308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609819)

you get faster I/O at the cost of greater instability, a tradeoff most sysadmins are quick to take.

That may be true in your experience, but I very much doubt if any of our systems team would be willing to make that trade. Our SLAs guarantee 24/7 support, which means that if one of the servers goes down at 3am (even if the others are okay) someone will be woken up by a pager, and they will be expected to make a best effort to fix it.

Perhaps if I/O performance is absolutely critical, and your hardware is creaking under the load at the best of times, and you can afford to throw so much iron at it that one or two dropping out for a few hours doesn't matter, then it might be worth it. (Of course, if you can throw that much hardware at the problem, then I/O can't be that critical...) On the other hand, if the required level of performance is realistic but the system as a whole must be available 24/7, then I really can't see that this is a good idea.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610044)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610056)

YHBT. YHL. HAND!

Re:excellent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609822)

is your grandmother a l33t hax0r? does she want to join my crax0r cr3w?

Re:excellent (0, Offtopic)

3nd3r (560984) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609835)

By Gods people this post is a joke. You know humor, funny, ha ha...

Re:excellent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609847)

And looking at the moderation it's not like sarcasm is lost on slashdot crowd. This made me feel even better than the up'n'coming layoffs.

Thanks for the cheerup! I'll do my best to follow your professional advice! Maybe that'l let me keep my job.

Re:excellent (0, Offtopic)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609855)

man, i know my .sig says offtopic mods mean they dont get it, i didnt think we would need to add troll to that list.

Re:excellent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609904)

Perhaps, but if you look at the poster's other posts you'll notice that they are mostly trolls with occassional offtopics. Most likely this is just abuse by a moderator who doesn't even bother to read the whole post any more.

Personally I just put the troll on my foes list, but unfortunately I still read the crap when I go into -1 mode.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610065)

No. This was a troll. It was an apparently serious comment, posted tongue-in-cheek to invite angry response. That's what the word "troll" means. The moderators do get it.

Re:excellent (1, Funny)

broody (171983) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609901)

At best this is a bad joke.

"Who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?" -Ben Kenobi

Re:excellent (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609932)

and there's stupid me thinking that intelligent people tend to have a sense of humor. Oh, wait...

parent was focused on moderation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609975)

should have made that clear, sorry.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610096)

Nice, that was nice.

More like "New GNU Turd Kernel Released" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609762)

It's a piece of shit, need I say more?

apple (1)

paradesign (561561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609772)

i know that apples OS X borrows the MACH kernal to use in conjunction with BSD, but my question is, is apple doing anything to help support efforts like this one? do they support the trees that they take from?

Re:apple (0)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609850)

They give back. [apple.com]

They GNU/don't GNU/use the GNU/GNU/GNU/Hurd GNU/Kernel, though.

Re:apple (1)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609972)

but not to the HURD. Remember, OSX is supposed to send other Unix Boxes to /dev/null [lowendmac.com] . Apple is still in the process of trying to boot-strap themselves into another period of growth. OSX is as much a commercial endevor as anything SUN (but not M$) is involved in. Maybe if they start making more money than Microsoft, they will start to help others like GNU out.

Re:apple (1)

Clue4All (580842) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610105)

Of course not to the HURD. Apple uses both Mach and BSD, and all additions are available for anyone to use under a license as Darwin. HURD isn't interested in using the BSD-like-licensed code, and since nothing was taken from the HURD, I fail to see your point.

Re:apple (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609876)

OS X doesn't "borrow" the Mach kernel, they inherited it from NeXT which licensed it from CMU.

GNU Mach is a reimplementation.

Re:apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609885)

They don't use GNU's Mach. They've been maintaining their version of Mach for quite a bit longer (if you count NeXT)

Also let it be known... (3, Funny)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609779)

...that the numbers given for each release (1.0, 1.3, 1.4, etc.) aren't version numbers. It's actually the average number of kernel panics per minute for this particular release.

But seriously, I've tried the Hurd, and while I can appreciate the work that's being done on it and its goals and aims, it's just not stable enough for everyday use. I'll just stick to 2.2.16 for the time being until I am convinced that there is a more stable kernel or until the Hurd matures a bit more.

Re:Also let it be known... (2, Insightful)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609860)

I agree. It is nice to see the *nix methodology re-thought with modern day software engineering techniques such as high modularity. It is also wonderful to see the unix tradition of complete user freedom and vast system customization options be taken to a new refined level with pluggable services and kernel modules. Linux is a nice final chapter in the long 30 year history of a kernel designed by true pioneers in the field, but it is nice to get some fresh insight and thought in OS design.

Try ummm BeenAndGoneOS. (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610080)

Mod parent up +5 there's truth hiding behind every troll.

Didn't BeOs more or less fit that criteria

Re:Also let it be known... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609906)

I'll just stick to 2.2.16 for the time being until I am convinced that there is a more stable kernel

2.4.18 is a more stable kernel. 'fo realz!

Nope not for VIA chipsets (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610107)

A fix in kernel/arch/i386/?/pc-pci.c to correct problems with via by clearing bits 5,6,7 or the PCI config causes screen corruption and random crashes if you have a a VIA KL133 or KM133 based mobo, only bits 6,7 should be cleared.

There's a pstch floating about somewhere but it isn't in 2.4.19 yet becasue it's not complete enough? well anythings better than nothing.

Gnu herd... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609803)

I'm I the only one that when I hear "GNU Herd" I think of a buncha bearded men rushing toward Redmond, WA to eliminate the "MS" OS dominance only to fall short, because of multiple reasons:
- Can't stand the smell of one another
- Took a pic of a hot girl they plan on editing in the GIMP, then posting it up as their gf
- They heard slashdot just updated a new story
- They ran out of breath (its hard to move that 400lbs)
- They died of sun poisoning
- They were blinded due to the sunlight ricocheting off their beautiful CRT Tans.

-Dead Fart Warrior : Banning never stopped me.

Compared to OS X (2, Troll)

hotsauce (514237) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609809)

How does this compare to the Darwin Mach kernel?

Re:Compared to OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609868)

The GNU team has been infiltrated by Marxists.

Re:Compared to OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610026)

Sort of like saying:

The Capone mafia has been infiltrated by criminals.

Re:Compared to OS X (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609886)

Apple altered Mach 3 quite heavily for its use in Mac OS X. I've heard some say that Apple's Mach can n olonger be considered a true micokernel anymore because it ahs been changed so much.

Bah! (-1)

hettb (569863) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609824)

The Hurd is already dead, I'll continue to use NetBSD. It may be dying but at least it hasn't started decomposing yet.

Reinventing the wheel? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609828)

I know I'm gonna get modded down for this, but I'd like to make my point anyway. How much fragmentation can the Open Source community take? I understand that most robust systems have some element of redundancy to them, but Linux, Minux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD. For example, right now I'm working on a Linux system that's probably 75% of the way to being an efficient competitor to Windows on the desktop. The other night, I saw a FreeBSD that was easily 60% of the way. I'd peg Hurd at probably 20% from reading the ChangeLogs; perhaps it could borrow some of the Linux utilities to help it along (that's what the community's about, right?) But in conclusion, even if we've got well over 320% of the development and peer review of Windows, at some point we're gonna want to take 100% and put it into one platform. Thank you.

Re:Reinventing the wheel? (4, Insightful)

pclminion (145572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609846)

What you fail to realize is that the Hurd developers don't CARE if you use it. They're doing this because it's fun to write operating systems (ok, maybe they're crazy -- but so's Linus). Competition with stuff that's already out there is WAY down on the list of things they worry about.

Re:Reinventing the wheel? (3, Insightful)

mccalli (323026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609859)

How much fragmentation can the Open Source community take?...For example, right now I'm working on a Linux system that's probably 75% of the way to being an efficient competitor to Windows on the desktop.

Fair point, but only really valid in a commerical context. Some people are just writing for the hell of it, and they don't care whether they've created a Windows competitor or not - they're just enjoying their code.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Reinventing the wheel? (2, Insightful)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609903)

The Linux you know and love to be a Windoze killer is based on an OS design that is almost 30 years old. It has evolved through time into something that is much better than it was when it first crept out of Bell Labs, but that does not make it perfect. The HURD takes all the great parts of Linux/*Nix and adds in functionality that _nobody_ is currently offering. Just becuase Linux is great does not mean HURD cannot be 10 times better.

Re:Reinventing the wheel? (2)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609946)

And that car you are driving still has the same four wheels and steering wheel design. Get with the game and go for the joy stick and drive on the other side of the road. (ooops oh yeah tends to cause problems...)

While I think the goals are noble there is the theoretical and the practical. And the problem with commercial development is that the theoretical are only small pieces of a very larger commerical reality.

While LINUX has had issues regarding memory management, bigger issues are drivers, applications, support, etc, etc.

Re:Reinventing the wheel? (0, Flamebait)

erc (38443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609998)

You're right, but at the rate of Hurd development, we'll be seeing something that's "10 times better" around the year 2035, by which point it won't matter.

Hurd is like Itanium (0, Flamebait)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609844)

Neat? Yes. High tech. Yes? But so completely different what everyone is used to using that no one cares. Or at least no one expects it to be a replacement for the status quo.

Re:Hurd is like Itanium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609927)

Kind of like linux ?

Re:Hurd is like Itanium (2)

NerdSlayer (300907) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609940)

who are you, bill gates talk about Linux in 1996?

Hurd (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609852)

It rhimes with turd. Which it is

Gnus (-1)

GafTheHorseInTears (565684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609858)

Eastern white-bearded wildebeest (gnu)
Connochaetes taurinus

Fast Facts

Common name: wildebeest or gnu

Class: Mammalia

Order: Artiodactyla

Family: Bovidae

Genus species: Connochaetes (flowing beard) taurinus (like a bull) albojubatus (white mane)

Size: males 1.25 to 1.45 m (50-58 in.) at the shoulder; females 1.15 to 1.42 m (46-57 in.) at the shoulder

Weight: adult males 165 to 274 kg (360-600 lb.); adult females 140 to 230 kg (308-510 lb.)

Description: This subspecies of wildebeest has a white beard, unlike most other subspecies which have black beards; both sexes have smooth, cowlike horns.

Life span: up to 20 years in zoos

Sexual maturity: females around 2.5 years; males at 3 to 4 years

Gestation: 240 to 255 days; young nurse for 4 to 9 months

Habitat: grasslands of Kenya and Tanzania in eastern Africa

Diet: prefer short grasses, but will eat taller grasses during the dry season; generally drink twice a day

Status: not listed by USFWS or CITES

Fun Facts

1. Each year white-bearded wildebeest migrate in search of fresh pastures. Such migrations may contain as many as one million animals. Thomson's gazelles and plains zebra often travel with the gnus.

2. Eighty percent of calves (sometimes up to half a million) are born within a 2 to 3 week period at the start of the rainy season. Since predators can only take a limited number of prey at any given time, there is a higher chance of survival for each individual calf.

3. Calves can stand and run within 3 to 7 minutes after birth. They follow their mothers as they move with the herd.

4. At night white-bearded wildebeest sleep on the ground in rows; this provides them with the security of being in a group while allowing them space to run in case of an emergency.

Ecology and Conservation

White-bearded gnu have increased greatly in number in recent years. In 1950, a census revealed approximately 100,000 individuals in the Serengeti region; today about 1.5 million white-bearded wildebeest are believed to be present. However, the growth of human settlements along their northern migration routes have begun to disrupt their natural patterns. The grazing and trampling of the grasses by such large herds helps to stimulate grass growth, while their waste provides nutrients for the soil and plants. Wildebeest are also an important food source for predators such as lions and hyenas.

Bitte knnen sie den Mach kernel OpenSource machen (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609910)

I don't understand for the life of me, why they didn't make the Mach kernel Open Source. Don't they realize that with the help of the Open Source community and the envied work ethic, this kernel can be used in a lot of systems.

I can see this being used in embedded banking systems that process mortgage planning calculations. That's the way of the future!

Don't bother with this turd (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609917)

Get linux! Its way better
Get the latest kernels [kernel.org]

Stable : 2.4.18
Unstable : 2.5.19
GNU Turd : 0.13
NEVER USE SOFTWARE LESS THAN 1.0!

Gnu turd is so crap, thats why they leach on mr torvolds kerenel which is 2000000000000000000000000000000000 times better!

Too little, too late (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3609922)

Now that we have Linux, a superlatively better free OS, and Mac OS X/Darwin, a superlatively better Mach implementation, does anyone really care about the Turd?

Hurd: Still not ready after 10 years! (3, Informative)

erc (38443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3609939)

I find it amazing that Hurd still isn't even close to being ready for production use after 10+ years of development! Even in the current release, there are a *lot* of features missing, incomplete, or just plain don't work. No character device suport, no shared memory, no dynamic library support, etc. Hurd is still very much incomplete, even now.

maybe now RMS... (1, Flamebait)

Roadmaster (96317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610000)

hopefully as the HURD evolves, RMS will be able to migrate to that and stop his hypocritical use of the Linux kernel.

How two-sided his posture turned out to be, first using Linux to create the first complete GNU system some 8 years before he could have done the same with his own kernel, then turning violently on both Linus and the Linux community for not living up to his high moral standards.

Hope he goes the HURD way and stops trying to impose himself on Linux users.

Wonder what ever happened to the demon linux project, an attempt to build a complete linux-based system with BSD utilities, as opposed to GNU.

Ah hell, we can always go the BSD route for everything I guess.

Actually Netcraft says he uses FreeBSD!! (3, Informative)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610108)

The site www.stallman.org is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) on FreeBSD.
Netcraft check of www.stallman.org [netcraft.com]

Re:maybe now RMS... (0)

dem0thene5 (556546) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610109)

Dr. Stallman is similar to Albert Einstein from 1925 until his death. That is to say, he's still a genius, but he's no longer doing useful work in software. He just goes around giving talks, makes a nuisance of himself to those who are doing real software development, and denigrates the character of those who disagree with him. As with Einstein, this is very sad.

Can it play OpenGL games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3610002)

When I hear/read about the Hurd I get the feeling that it's a text only OS. Can I use it with my NVidia card to play a game ?

Not that I care about games, but I do care about 3d modelling and simulations. (Part of my thesis)

Phil

Re:Can it play OpenGL games? (3, Funny)

Innominate Recreant (557409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610049)

"I do care about 3d modelling"

Don't fret. Stallman is very much into modelling [stallman.org]

Re:Can it play OpenGL games? (3, Informative)

The_Dougster (308194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610061)

Nope. X11 works with my Nvidia GeForce2MX, but OpenGL is still software Mesa only as there is no DRI support for GnuMach and no third party Xservers AFAIK.

But X does work, so it isn't just text. It has X11R6 v 4.2 I believe.

The real question is (4, Funny)

vinay (67011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3610078)

do you think rms would be pissed if people started using HURD, but kept calling it linux?
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