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Germany, IBM Sign Major Linux Deal

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the und-jetz dept.

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Skip Franklin writes: "IBM and the German government are getting together to implement Linux as the government's computing platform of choice. The deal is being touted as a big blow to Microsoft, although personally I prefer the glass-half-full perspective of a big win for Open Source. The BBC has the story."

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Damn. (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630945)

I am too slow today. Must be the crack.

Re:Damn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3630951)

Hey, don't be so hard on yourself! at least you're not a stinkin' AC !

Crack? (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631029)

If you've been smoking crack you may just get the next few fps...

PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS:
Varies with dose and the tolerance of the user. Increases alertness, wakefulness, elevates the mood, mild to highdegree of euphoria, increases athletic performance, decreases fatigue, clearer thinking, increases concentration, increases energy, increased irritability, insomnia, restlessness. With high doses may exhibit a pattern of psychosis with confused and disorganized behavior, irritability, fear, paranoia, hallucinations, may become extremely antisocial and aggressive...

Re:Crack? (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631068)

I meant the large, bloody, self-induced crack in my skull. I did it last night after the Lakers-Kings game. Fucking Lakers. Fuck you, Shaq, you fucking freak of nature who's just now learning that he can lean over and drop the ball in the basket on free throws.

Re:Damn. (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631057)

Excellent work, isn't being in C.L.I.T exciting?

Re:Damn. (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631088)

Word up, dawg!

By the way, how did the replacement of your leg go? I hear that with that procedure, you are now almost 90% cybernetic. If that's true, congratulations on that.

Re:Damn. (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631100)

It was my "third leg" that got replaced.

p.s. You know how I can make my penis 12" long? I fold it in half.

Re:Damn. (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631133)

<Straight-Man> It must be difficult to walk if you have three legs.

P.S. Generally when I want to make my penis 12" long, I wash it in hot water then dry it in high heat. That shrinks it right back down to a more "comfortable" size.

Re:Damn. (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631134)

Posted by timothy on Monday June 03, @08:57AM
from the und-jetz dept.
Skip Franklin writes: "IBM and the German government are getting together to implement Linux as the government's computing platform of choice. The deal is being touted as a big blow to Microsoft, although personally I prefer the glass-half-full perspective of a big win for Open Source. The BBC has the story."

( Read More... | 71 comments )

Napster files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday June 03, @08:02AM
from the no-surprise-there dept.
Joey Patterson writes "CNN Money reports that Napster has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy." Thank god the industry shut them down... now that piracy has been stopped they can all sleep much better.

( Read More... | 167 comments )

Your Online Marketplace for Classified Jet Parts
Posted by timothy on Monday June 03, @07:16AM
from the flux-capacitor-shipped-separately dept.
jonerik writes: "Reuters is reporting that the U.S. Air Force is less than pleased about the recent posting of a number of sensitive jet communications components on eBay, including parts for the SR-71 spy plane, the F-16 fighter, the KC-10 tanker, and the giant C-5 transport. According to the article, the parts had sat in a warehouse for 12 years after being lost in shipping when the dealer, Norb Novocin, bought the lot for $244 in an unclaimed property sale. Novocin ended up selling four of the items to bidders in a recent auction, including an X-Band Weather Radar Modulator for $500 and a high-frequency radio circuit card for $32. The Air Force is looking into the incident and Novocin is cooperating."

( Read More... | 94 comments )

Opera 6.03 - The Wild Child of Browsers?
Posted by timothy on Monday June 03, @06:38AM
from the home-of-the-singing-fat-lady dept.
IEEE1394 writes: "Ever wondered what other Internet browsers are available outside of Internet Explorer? Opera 6.03 from Opera Software boasts itself on being 'the fastest browser on earth.' Does it really live up to its claim of being unique and being fast? Is it the wild child of the browser family and can it ever surpass Internet Explorer as the browser of choice? Let's find out." Funny, IE isn't my browser of choice ...

( Read More... | 313 comments )

Data Quality Act
Posted by michael on Monday June 03, @05:45AM
from the not-quantity dept.
The New York Times has a heads-up about a little-noticed add-on to a massive appropriations bill, signed into law by Clinton but taking effect in October. The amendment allows anyone to challenge data published by the Federal government and have it changed or deleted. The main proponents of the law are pro-business groups seeking to tie up environmental and similar regulations by challenging the government's data.

( Read More... | 118 comments )

Apple: 17" and 19" inch iMacs Coming in 3Q
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday June 03, @02:39AM
from the now-thats-what-I'm-talking-about dept.
ikioi writes "It looks like Apple will have 17" and 19" flat panel iMacs later this year." It's funny- the publicity photos of the 15 inch macs really make it look a lot nicer then it is. I finally saw one up close a few weeks ago- the arm and screen is super smooth, but the base looks like a cheap toy. That said, larger screens for the iMac definitely push it into a new territory... not sure if it would convince me to buy one, but it sure would add magic shell to the ice cream.

( Read More... | 140 comments | Apple )

SEC Settles Microsoft Accounting Investigation
Posted by michael on Sunday June 02, @11:28PM
from the cooking-the-books dept.
guttentag writes "The Securities and Exchange Commission has wrapped up its two-year investigation into Microsoft's accounting practices. The investigation focused on "cookie jar" accounting practices in which a company reports that it earned less money than it actually did, secretly storing the unreported money to artificially boost earnings in the future. The SEC called off its investigation in exchange for Microsoft's promise that it will not break the rules in the future, though the company is not admitting that it broke rules in the past. Microsoft publicly states that it has $40 Billion on hand." Gates realized a long time ago that regardless of actual performance, if you "beat estimates" people will buy your stock. So, he's arranging it so that no matter what the actual performance is, Microsoft always "beats estimates". If your analyst estimate is low 61 out of 63 times, either A) you need a new analyst or B) someone is feeding the analyst bad numbers. In this case, probably both.

( Read More... | 204 comments )

Sun Discovers Dumb Terminals
Posted by michael on Sunday June 02, @08:46PM
from the o-in-old-economy dept.
Yahoo has a story about how Sun is practicing a sort of floating workforce - many employees have no permanent desks, they just come in and log on to a dumb terminal, err, thin client. Besides being a sneaky way to encourage employees to arrive ever earlier at work, it probably is cheaper to run the business off a few large Sun servers - at least for Sun.

( Read More... | 481 comments )

Where UnitedLinux Got It Wrong
Posted by michael on Sunday June 02, @06:57PM
from the ransom-love-might-have-something-to-do-with-it dept.
An Anonymous Coward writes "A story on NewsForge [ed. note: part of the keiretsu] suggests that the lack of binaries for UnitedLinux shows disrespect to the community which created most of the software. The author suggests a better way for handling the business problems that a lack of binaries is supposed to solve. Some particularly clueless reader comments say that UnitedLinux has no responsibility to cooperate with the community. The thought that UnitedLinux won't even offer a development distribution to the community does not sit well with me."

( Read More... | 287 comments )

Wireless Congestion
Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday June 02, @05:24PM
from the well-there's-no-surprise-there dept.
AllMightyPaul writes "An article on CNN describes the congestion experienced by many users of wireless networks as more and more people begin to use them at home and at work. The unregulated frequencies between 902 and 928, where most Wi-Fi devices operate, sees a lot of traffic, apparently."

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Re:First Crapflood! (-1)

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Oh joy. (1)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630956)

How does one say LUNIX RUELS in german?

Re:Oh joy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3630982)

LINUX RUELS

a german

Re:Oh joy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3630990)

you could always say .... linux macht frei!

Re:Oh joy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631007)

first of all, germans know how to spell -- s/EL/LE/

Re:Oh joy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631011)

Der Linüx rüleß?

Re:Oh joy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631173)

Oh, actually .. this is german with a turkish accent.
(Wüllün Ührün Dönnerrr müt Süßi ?)

a german from Berlin

Re:Oh joy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631061)

Linux regiert?

Re:Oh joy. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631099)

Linux fetzt !
or
Linux ist klasse !
or
Linux is geil !

:)))

Good news.. (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630962)

Well it is great news to see articles like this, to help prove to those people who still consider Linux to be a 'toy', that it has really come into its own. I cannot for the life of me work out why people say this.. If supercomputers, government systems, banking systems, and render farms for major motion picture companies can't persuade people that Linux has hit the big time, I dont know what will!

Re:Good news.. (1)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630984)

An easy to use GUI and rock solid security that doesn't involve watch a mailing list and sitting in front of a console 20 out of 24 hours in a day. For infrastructure, it's top notch, for ease of use, it's a lumbering elephant. Just remember, some people don't care how or why it works, just that it works.

Re:Good news.. (-1)

Reikk (534266) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631143)

Nun da Deutschland linux benutzt, wird es vermutlich ein kommunistisches Land. Anstatt, opensource Software zu benutzen, sollten die %1 der Deutscher, die sind nicht, Nazin erlernen, wie man Geschlecht mit Ziegen hat!

Tschuess,
Reikk

Slashdot.Org is Dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3630964)

LNUX is facing delisting, will have to cut some units to save itself from the pinksheets.

In related news (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630969)

Germany adopted a new law that all citizens must grow a beard and praise GNU/Linux. Non-conmplying people will be sent to the gaz shower.

backwards? (4, Funny)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630975)

I thought seeing this as a large hit against Microsoft WAS looking at the glass as half full!

Not so sure (4, Insightful)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631172)

I am not sure I agree with the Open Source vs Microsoft paradigm that everyone seems so caught up in. I think that people pick on Microsoft because they are big and visible, but no one picks on Adobe, or any of a number of large closed source companies when they lose contracts.

I think that there will always be some areas where closed source software is the best option (OrCAD being a good example), but many other areas are ones where open source simply is a better model of development-- operating systems, office productifity apps, some games, dev environments, etc. (there will always be closed source games, I think, though).

This is significant because it indicates that the Germans are making the very logical choices with regard to security (not trusting a foreign company), etc. and shows that open source IS the best solution in many cases.

Finally......... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3630976)

Blue Skinhead Penguins.

D~y

great news for open source? (3, Interesting)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630979)

Wow, I'm pretty psyched about this news. Combine IBM [ibm.com] , the company with the best track record for Linux products with Germany [germany.eu] , the European nation with a similar reputation, and only good can result.

I've used Linux solutions by both of these companies (IBM's Linux superclusters and Germany's excellent SuSe distro) both at home and in high-impact low-failure-rate enterprise contexts. I have not once been let down, ever. Contrast this with the closed source free-as-in-shit Winbloze ME95NT, which nearly brought my life to its knees.

I can't wait to see what comes out of this groundbreaking deal! Linux may finally be able to compete against the lesser operating systems.

Re:great news for open source? (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631045)

Funny actually, thinking about it. Whilst I don't work for big enterprise, I do run systems that I could do without failing.. and it too has never let me down. The guys I work with make jokes about the reliability of the Linux boxes, simply because they are so reliable.

All they need now... (2, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630980)

All they need to do now is integrate open source with Oktoberfest and they can have free software AND beer. What would be some good (funny) names for a German Gov't Linux distro?

Linuxkraut?

Re:All they need now... (1)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630996)

Open source beer?

Now all the homebrewers can have a bugtraq mailing list dedicated to holes in the HOPS and YEAST servers...

Re:All they need now... (2, Funny)

lala (28594) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631026)

It's those rootbeers you're talking about, rigth?

Re:All they need now... (1)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631078)

You have to be careful about your implementation or else your could end up with a nasty core dump all over someone's shoes...

Lets not even get into seg faults... ;)

Re:All they need now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631054)

Germany is NOT bavaria!

a Prussian ;)

Re:All they need now... (2)

EvilAlien (133134) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631091)

How about Red Lederhosen Linux?

That would kick all ass. Little stylized logo of red shorts with suspenders... polka music, inane facts about the Bavarian Pure Beer Laws, sausages, and wines from the Rheinpfalz during install.

This makes my inner-German all giddy. I think I'll go get some Bratwurst and a bottle of Schneider's Weisse for lunch.

FBI (1)

theEdgeSMAK (467213) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630986)

I keep hearing that the FBI's "Information Network" needs some major restructuring. Including a much needed upgrade too all their hardware, and a big fat-daddy database to keep all their intelligence handy with smart searches and logic bots to trigger alarms. Mabey we can convince them of the merits of open source, and at the same time create some jobs for us linux h4x0rs.

Flawed argument (2, Interesting)

oever (233119) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630989)

From the article:

"We are raising computer security by avoiding a monoculture, and we are lowering dependence on a single supplier," he said in a statement.

This is not really a valid argument, since all systems need to be secure. More systems, more potentially open doors.

Nevertheless, great step up for free software!

Re:Flawed argument (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631047)

I think it is valid. Same eggs, more baskets. Reduces the risk of everything being knocked out in one.

No, it is valid. (2)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631147)

Monocultures are prone to being wiped out by a single disease. If you have diversity, that won't happen. It's the reason that there are different sexes.

Linux hate (2)

theolein (316044) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630994)

The huge amounts of anti-Linux trolling speak volumes about MS' fear of becoming another Novell.

Re:Linux hate (2, Funny)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631014)

Hey! Novell is still around...

Not that anyone cares...

Bah... Just use active directory and XP Pro. You'll never EVER crash!

ROFL!

Only IBM and Germany.. (-1, Troll)

ldopa1 (465624) | more than 11 years ago | (#3630998)

Only IBM would SELL something you can get for FREE, and I think only Germany would BUY what you can download for FREE..

Of course, I DID just buy RedHat 7.3, but that's only because the download ISO's are stacked up with other similarly minded people..

Speaking of which - they say that Great minds think alike. Doesn't that mean that INFERIOR minds also think alike? Now I'm concerned about which I am...

Any ideas?

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (2, Insightful)

nam37 (517083) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631048)

I'm sure is the support and roll-out assistance that is being paid for... this is the government of a strong world power, not a h@XX0r site on the net. People (at least those that matter) don't mind PAYING for a good SUPPORTED product...

What too many people don't seem to understand around here, is that "free as is beer" is not NEARLY as important as "free as in speach."

NAM

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (0, Troll)

ldopa1 (465624) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631094)

What you don't seem to understand is that "free as in speach" isn't NEARLY as important as "Free as in StarOffice with spellcheck"

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (4, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631110)

The german government doesn't buy Linux, and IBM isn't selling Linux. Just in case you've been living in a box for the past 5+ years: IBM has turned into a huge SERVICE company, and that's what they're selling here: The service to make a solid concept, implement it and provide support for a Linux-powered government infrastructure.

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (0, Offtopic)

ldopa1 (465624) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631113)

Troll? How? Email me with how, exactly this post qualifies as a TROLL?

Maybe "Overrated" but not a TROLL... Aparently stating the obvious is TROLLish...

Let's moderate the moderators...

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (1)

Zelet (515452) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631128)

IBM sells the hardware solution to the Government. They also sell the support for the software (middleware or OS).

Mainly, IBM receives the money for the consulting that they do prior to setting up the hardware and then the support afterwards.

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (1)

nil_null (412200) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631146)

"Only IBM would SELL something you can get for FREE, and I think only Germany would BUY what you can download for FREE"

Well, I believe IBM is selling them "computer systems based on Linux" (quoting the article). And most likely support for these systems as well.

Re:Only IBM and Germany.. (1)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631168)

IBM isn't charging them for the software, but for the implementation. Just because something is free doesn't meant it's not gonna cost money to set it up. (especially if you want it done the right way from the start).

To expand on that, when you are buying red hat in the box, you aren't paying for the software but for printed documentation and the pretty pressed disks.

HTH

Is this what they call BBC English? (3, Funny)

delphi125 (544730) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631005)

"the most reliable core for computer systems for whom crashing is not an option"

HAL 9000 may have been a who(m) as opposed to a what/which, but crashing was certainly an option for HAL!

Re:Is this what they call BBC English? (1)

delphi125 (544730) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631027)

There I go complaining about BBC English, and then I write a bit of Slashdot HTML myself. (Wipes egg off face.)

Re:Is this what they call BBC English? (1)

pknoll (215959) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631065)

No, that's what you call anthropomorphization. Annoying, isn't it?

Computers are not people. They are not "he" nor "she". They are "it".

"For which crashing is not an option" would have been a much better way to say it.

Re:Is this what they call BBC English? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631138)

Yes, I assume its administrators for whom
crashing is not at option.

But, I thought: Open source poses security risks (3, Interesting)

bruceg (14365) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631012)

Maybe the German Governement knows something our government doesn't. Check out this Link [com.com] which states that a US governement "Think Tank" says that Open Source may be a national security threat. I guess the M$ special interests are oiling up the folks in DC.

Re:But, I thought: Open source poses security risk (3, Informative)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631148)

That's not a Government think tank. It's an independant organization- I don't even think the government uses their services. Mitre, on the other hand, does get used- and they USE Linux quite a bit

Re:But, I thought: Open source poses security risk (1)

Conare (442798) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631165)

From parent post link:The ADTI white paper, to be released next week, will take the opposite line, outlining "how open source might facilitate efforts to disrupt or sabotage electronic commerce, air traffic control or even sensitive surveillance systems,"

In other words "Our paper conclusively shows how bad Linux is. But you can't see it yet." This is pure marketing. If Linux is such a threat they can always use Security Enhanced Linux [nsa.gov]

Die Open Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631016)

I'm glad that our comrades in Germany have seen the value of using an Open Source OS. The vast army of Open Source developers will provide the most stable and secure OS as its code is there for every person in the world to review and to enhance.

Only when large entities embrace the efforts of the skilled developers in the Open Source community can we withstand the underhand tactics of MS.

LNUX is Dying (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631019)

Good news for IBM as they will certainly be making money. Bad news for LNUX who tried to make money off of linux but failed.

I project they will be delisted within the next 30 days. It will give us all another reason to party extra hard on July 4th this year.

So, in summary, LNUX is Dying.

Incredible! (4, Informative)

Asikaa (207070) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631034)

"Any policy that favours one thing over another isn't helpful," a Microsoft Europe spokeswoman told the Journal.

"It limits choice rather than increasing choice."

Yet another jaw-droppingly hypocritical statement from a Microsoft spokesperson.

Yet another journalist without a Linux clue.. (2, Informative)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631039)

Linux is a variant on the 30-year-old open source Unix operating system, which is generally held to be almost indestructible and by far the most reliable core for computer systems for whom crashing is not an option.

Unix? Open source? I don't think so.

While the software itself is free to download from the internet, companies - such as SuSE, the German distributor whose version of Linux IBM is using - can still charge for technical support and other services.

They can, of course, charge any amount for any part they want. They just can't restrict your rights to sell it again (at least on the GPL'd portions)

In proprietary software such as Microsoft's Windows, on the other hand, a single company controls the code, setting licensing terms for users but blocking outsiders from accessing the code.

They'll let some select few view the source code... but it's a look, don't touch sort of relationship. "Shared Source" and all that crap.


I really wish people that wrote about this stuff had more of a clue about what they were writing.. :(

Re:Yet another journalist without a Linux clue.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631159)

Oh dear. You found three things wrong with what they wrote! They must have no idea what they're talking about!

Go whine elsewhere, nerdboy.

And the best part... (1)

matvei (568098) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631179)

Don't forget that Linux is Bug resistant too!

(From the article: Proponents of open source software for governments say the code is more bug-resistant and more secure - as well as saving huge amounts of money thanks to avoiding being locked into a single company's licensing fees.)

Why IBM? (1)

DanThe1Man (46872) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631041)

Why did Germany go with IBM? I mean, if they wanted to go with Linux to save money or for other reasons, why didn't they just contact SuSE [www.suse.de] ?

Re:Why IBM? (1)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631069)

probably because they needed *large* hardware to do what they needed. AFAIK, SuSE doesn't make hardware. Not all applications should run on single processor, non-redundant PC systems comprised of random parts purchased off pricewatch..

Re:Why IBM? (3, Informative)

Tom (822) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631079)

If you'd read the article, you would've noticed that they are, in fact, using SuSE's Linux.

IBM is the service company doing all the work, though. I guess the government wanted to go with a big guy (either for support reasons or in order to take the "unreliable partner" argument away from M$).

Re:Why IBM? (2)

discogravy (455376) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631163)

well, suse is the distro most known and used (and made) in .de and IBM is the biggest company that promotes it (and they make A LOT of hardware), so it's not like IBM has their own distro anyway.

Open Source Unix? (1)

nooch (538215) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631051)

"Linux is a variant on the 30-year-old open source Unix operating system, which is generally held to be almost indestructible and by far the most reliable core for computer systems for whom crashing is not an option."

Unix is open source? This comment seems to give Open Source Software quite a history.

J

Re:Open Source Unix? (1)

T-Punkt (90023) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631170)

Well, Open Source Software /has/ a long history.
Infact a longer one as commercial closed source software has.

But I wouldn't call the original AT&T Unix "Open Source".

Re:Open Source Unix? (3, Informative)

alsta (9424) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631180)

While I agree that the argument was incorrect as a whole, there is some truth in it.

AT&T did sell source code to corporations and gave it away for virtually nothing to Universities and other educational institutions. Hence one could say open source. Open Source however is indicative of the Open Source Initiative (OSI http://www.opensource.org). If one would be nit-picking, it isn't incorrect to say that UNIX was `open source'.

To further go into matters, some historical AT&T code is now released with a less restrictive license, thanks to Caldera. SCO used to govern the code and provide it for a fee to enthusiasts, which I believe was $100. While it has little value for todays computing, it is nevertheless out there. (At this time I can't seem to find the site, perhaps some kind soul can provide that).

United Linux is already dead? (2)

pwagland (472537) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631052)

Apparently neither IBM, nor the German government think so... from the article:
While the software itself is free to download from the internet, companies - such as SuSE, the German distributor whose version of Linux IBM is using - can still charge for technical support and other services.
Of course, SuSE is German, and they don't yet distribute United Linux, but....

In fuhrer news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631060)

Microsoft Germany wants to rebuild the Berlin Firewall, and fill the streets with the BSA.

"It's the only way we can supress freedom of choice", Bill 'Hitler' Gates said on Monday. "We won't stop until the inferior Open Source has been destroyed." Reponse was mixed. Somebody played RTCW, and whupped some M$azi ass.

SUSE (1)

Calomnious Awkward (459373) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631063)

I think it is not nice for SuSE [suse.com] , maybe they see it as a big blow to ? They are of German origin, after all. And they have a nice distro, I think.

Half full/half empty (0)

rainmanjag (455094) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631071)

Bill Cosby said at the Rice University commencement this year that his grandmother who had a third-grade education came up to the answer of the glass half-full/half-empty dilemma whereas he as a doctoral student could not. Her answer was:

"It depends whether you're pouring or drinking."

I personally say it doesn't matter. Top it off and let's get vashnukad!!!

-jag

Final Solutions (-1, Offtopic)

sparkie (60749) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631077)

There was a book a while back about IBM's involvement with Nazi Germany. It's called Final Solutions [villagevoice.com] .

Re:Final Solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631177)

And what has that to do with Germany nowadays?

Only half full? (0, Redundant)

Phroggy (441) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631089)

Linux wins AND Microsoft loses. Why would you cann this glass only HALF full? What more do you want?

The last part is the best bit (3, Insightful)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631112)

Not alone

Mexico, for instance, has mandated open source in its education system - although it is widely believed to have botched the implementation. And Peru is considering a law mandating open source software.

Microsoft wrote protesting about the law and warning of collapsing software markets and portraying a nightmare scenario of incompatibility. But the answer - from a Peruvian congressman - refuted the letter point by point.


Hee hee! Viva la revolution! :-) There does seem to be an encouraging trend towards the use of Linux by big institutions and governments. And since people tend to "buy what they know" perhaps we will see a top-down pattern to Linux usage -- companies first, and then their employees at home -- rather than the bottom-up approach everyone seems to be expecting.

Woohooo ... (1)

halftrack (454203) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631118)

Now boys, let us not get overly excited. What does this meen. Is this server only or is it desktop too? If it is server only it isn't really that big a deal, a bit sparse on details.

Leave your licences on the train platform (1, Flamebait)

gelfling (6534) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631121)

It will catch up with you - you are merely being relocated to the east.

Linux uber alles.

Office? (2, Insightful)

fogof (168191) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631135)

I wonder what is going to happen to the .doc format.
I hope that ppl will start using open formats to comunicate important documents.
If more govs do the switch. I wonder what will happen to closed file formats.... ( or will M$ port office to *nix )

and the rest of the EU? (1)

alapalaya (561911) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631166)

This is veryt interesting, but the Open Source in the public administration is still very rare.
The computing systems of the whole EU will probably be standardized or at least some guidelines will be given to individual countries.

This will be the main battlefield among all competitors (MS, Open Source, Sun, & C...)... and it's easy to see that the whole European Union is as important as the US!

Also in Italy some suggestions tu use open source software were defined, but the MS software is still ruling...
I think I will watch and see...


no FUD this time? (1)

dikappa (581761) | more than 11 years ago | (#3631169)

Strange, looking a this I would expect MS reaction. Like e-marketing people e-babbling about Open Source not being "e-professional" or being "a threat to e-commerce"

Just like they did when Chile approached to PA/Open Source.

Probably MS this time wasn't fast enough and now IBM is protecting this deal.

PLUS, this time, no one can say "hey there is no gain with open source".. I guess IBM isn't doing this for free.

I feel this a really good thing for EU. I think lot of german geeks are proud being in a nation (dislike USA) not controlled by an (almost)-non-gov organization (like MS)

Obviously i'm exaggerating, but europe is going to be the herald for e-justice ;)

Rack up another win for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3631175)

Linux is the winner. However, if you're using a dying OS, all I can say is eat my dust.

Some win. Others lose.

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