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First Taxi Drivers must Die post! Fuck the AC! CLI (-1, Troll)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631891)

Well everybody's sayin' that they're not so bad
Everybody's sayin' that we need 'em bad
Well everybody's got their fuckin' heads up their ass

Everybody tells me they perform a service
But the same fuckin' people say they drive 'em nervous
Well make your fuckin' mind up, you stupid twat

If you want to see them cry
Poke 'em in the eye
Put their fingers in the socket and watch them fry

Taxi drivers must die

Everybody's sayin' that they drive 'em nuts
But when it comes to revenge they ain't got the guts
Well crawl back into your little 'ole, you little rat

United and strong we can fight them back
Teach them all a fucking lesson that they'll never forget
And watch the little bastards come crawling back

"I'm sorry"

If you want to see them cry
Poke 'em in the eye
Put their fingers in the socket and watch them fry

Taxi drivers must die

TAXI DRIVERS (MR CLARKE/KEY WILDE)
(P) & (C) 1996 Clarke/Wilde
PERFORMED by Bulamatari
PRODUCED by The Reverend Pete Fuhry
PUBLISHED by Worm-Hole Productions

Re:First Taxi Drivers must Die post! Fuck the AC! (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631904)

I agree with this post.

Mad propz, logged-in FP'er!

CLIT is teh rawX in FP (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631975)

CLIT is getting all of them today.

woohoo!

...incase you haven't seen /. today:

Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday June 03, @10:54AM
from the step-in-the-right-direction dept.
MoD writes "From CNet: District Court Judge Florence-Marie Cooper on Friday overturned a late April ruling that required the maker of ReplayTV set-top box technology to write and install software to monitor what its customers were watching."

( Read More... | 28 comments )

Interviews: Ask Moshe Bar about [your choice here]
Posted by Roblimo on Monday June 03, @10:00AM
from the rennaisance-men-of-the-computer-age dept.
Moshe Bar is (pick one) 1. A Linux kernel developer; 2. A motorcycle enthusiast; 3. The primary openMosix maintainer; 4. A respected Linux device driver writer; 5. Author of several books and many articles about Linux; 6. Newly married. 7. A Talmudic scholar; 8. All of the above. The correct answer is 8, and since in addition to (or perhaps because of) all this Moshe is a popular guy, this interview is here by reader request. (Yes, we take interview requests; send them to robin@roblimo.com.) Ask Moshe whatever you wish, one question per post. We'll send him 10 of the highest moderated questions and post his answers as soon as he gets them back to us.

( Read More... | 131 comments | Interviews )

Germany, IBM Sign Major Linux Deal
Posted by timothy on Monday June 03, @08:57AM
from the und-jetz dept.
Skip Franklin writes: "IBM and the German government are getting together to implement Linux as the government's computing platform of choice. The deal is being touted as a big blow to Microsoft, although personally I prefer the glass-half-full perspective of a big win for Open Source. The BBC has the story."

( Read More... | 233 comments )

Napster files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday June 03, @08:02AM
from the no-surprise-there dept.
Joey Patterson writes "CNN Money reports that Napster has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy." Thank god the industry shut them down... now that piracy has been stopped they can all sleep much better.

( Read More... | 291 comments )

Your Online Marketplace for Classified Jet Parts
Posted by timothy on Monday June 03, @07:16AM
from the flux-capacitor-shipped-separately dept.
jonerik writes: "Reuters is reporting that the U.S. Air Force is less than pleased about the recent posting of a number of sensitive jet communications components on eBay, including parts for the SR-71 spy plane, the F-16 fighter, the KC-10 tanker, and the giant C-5 transport. According to the article, the parts had sat in a warehouse for 12 years after being lost in shipping when the dealer, Norb Novocin, bought the lot for $244 in an unclaimed property sale. Novocin ended up selling four of the items to bidders in a recent auction, including an X-Band Weather Radar Modulator for $500 and a high-frequency radio circuit card for $32. The Air Force is looking into the incident and Novocin is cooperating."

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Opera 6.03 - The Wild Child of Browsers?
Posted by timothy on Monday June 03, @06:38AM
from the home-of-the-singing-fat-lady dept.
IEEE1394 writes: "Ever wondered what other Internet browsers are available outside of Internet Explorer? Opera 6.03 from Opera Software boasts itself on being 'the fastest browser on earth.' Does it really live up to its claim of being unique and being fast? Is it the wild child of the browser family and can it ever surpass Internet Explorer as the browser of choice? Let's find out." Funny, IE isn't my browser of choice ...

( Read More... | 450 comments )

Data Quality Act
Posted by michael on Monday June 03, @05:45AM
from the not-quantity dept.
The New York Times has a heads-up about a little-noticed add-on to a massive appropriations bill, signed into law by Clinton but taking effect in October. The amendment allows anyone to challenge data published by the Federal government and have it changed or deleted. The main proponents of the law are pro-business groups seeking to tie up environmental and similar regulations by challenging the government's data.

( Read More... | 145 comments )

Apple: 17" and 19" inch iMacs Coming in 3Q
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday June 03, @02:39AM
from the now-thats-what-I'm-talking-about dept.
ikioi writes "It looks like Apple will have 17" and 19" flat panel iMacs later this year." It's funny- the publicity photos of the 15 inch macs really make it look a lot nicer then it is. I finally saw one up close a few weeks ago- the arm and screen is super smooth, but the base looks like a cheap toy. That said, larger screens for the iMac definitely push it into a new territory... not sure if it would convince me to buy one, but it sure would add magic shell to the ice cream.

( Read More... | 166 comments | Apple )

SEC Settles Microsoft Accounting Investigation
Posted by michael on Sunday June 02, @11:28PM
from the cooking-the-books dept.
guttentag writes "The Securities and Exchange Commission has wrapped up its two-year investigation into Microsoft's accounting practices. The investigation focused on "cookie jar" accounting practices in which a company reports that it earned less money than it actually did, secretly storing the unreported money to artificially boost earnings in the future. The SEC called off its investigation in exchange for Microsoft's promise that it will not break the rules in the future, though the company is not admitting that it broke rules in the past. Microsoft publicly states that it has $40 Billion on hand." Gates realized a long time ago that regardless of actual performance, if you "beat estimates" people will buy your stock. So, he's arranging it so that no matter what the actual performance is, Microsoft always "beats estimates". If your analyst estimate is low 61 out of 63 times, either A) you need a new analyst or B) someone is feeding the analyst bad numbers. In this case, probably both.

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Sun Discovers Dumb Terminals
Posted by michael on Sunday June 02, @08:46PM
from the o-in-old-economy dept.
Yahoo has a story about how Sun is practicing a sort of floating workforce - many employees have no permanent desks, they just come in and log on to a dumb terminal, err, thin client. Besides being a sneaky way to encourage employees to arrive ever earlier at work, it probably is cheaper to run the business off a few large Sun servers - at least for Sun.

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Re:First Taxi Drivers must Die post! Fuck the AC! (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631985)

Will this CLIT ownership of FP continue on Troll Tuesday? One can only hope...

Re:First Taxi Drivers must Die post! Fuck the AC! (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632030)

It is with great certainty that it will come to pass.

Logged-in troll unity is running high!

IMPORTANT CLIT ANNOUNCEMENT!!! (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632024)

Please, join me in 0wning this entire discussion: sux [slashdot.org]

hellZ yeah

They tried monitoring my first posts once (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631892)

Didn't work! I still got them.

Get it in you!

FP for the CLIT (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631893)

Yeah, who 0wnz you AC's now??

FP for the CLIT founder!

Re:FP for the CLIT (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631929)

Damn, the connection crapped out just as I was posting. I'll get the next one, don't you worry!

Monitor your page as it widens! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631896)


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Email me and tell me what you think of widening! [mailto]

Re:Monitor your page as it widens! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631971)

Klerck, you know that all of us trolls admire and appreciate your page-widening prowess. These wide pages truly are better than the narrow pages that we are used to. But why do you continue to waste time on this rotting shithole past-its-prime weblog? You should really spend more time making Trollaxor.com's pages as wide as Slashdot's. I hardly ever post on Trollaxor.com anymore, because the narrow pages there make me claustrophobic and uncomfortable. I find myself resizing my brower window just to get the "high" that only horizontal scrollbars can give me. But such cheap tricks are no substitute for that premium smack that is a wide page. Help a brother out!

-- The_Messenger

Re:Monitor your page as it widens! (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631991)

You're back! And at least your widening does some lengthening in Mozilla.

The CLIT would be honored if you would join us. We have amassed quite a following lately!

Re:Monitor your page as it widens! (-1)

Antonio Banderas (566250) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632176)

I want to be a member of CLIT

Re:Monitor your page as it widens! (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632214)

Then just add me to your friends list; it's that easy!!

1st Pr0st (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631897)

I wasn't trying for this - but no one else seemed to be either.

All said, CmdrTaco is actually marrying a man.

Strike one for the advant of spyware on TV (3, Funny)

Nobody's Hero (552712) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631900)

YAH!

the last place I need more spyware is on my television. No one needs to know how many episodes of Star Trek I've been watching.

Re:Strike one for the advant of spyware on TV (2)

sharkey (16670) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632042)

No one needs to know how many episodes of Star Trek I've been watching.

I'd be more concerned about Teletubby viewing habits getting out. Not that I do that sort of thing, no sir.

Re:Strike one for the advant of spyware on TV (1)

Peeing Calvin (580935) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632094)

Just because you're 24 years old, single, and watch Teletubbies religiously does NOT mean you're into psychoactive substances. Maybe you work for Jerry Falwell and are screening the show for more hidden homosexual content, for example.

Re:Strike one for the advant of spyware on TV (2)

medcalf (68293) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632199)

I'd be more concerned about Teletubby viewing habits getting out.

I used to wonder why Teletubbies was shown on our local PBS station at 2am. I figured that it was for really drunk people. Now that I have a toddler who sometimes wakes up in the middle of the night, I understand.

Re:Strike one for the advant of spyware on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3632105)

No one needs to know how many episodes of Star Trek I've been watching.

You misspelled "gay porn" back there.

Re:Strike one for the advant of spyware on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3632166)

This is exactly why I won't be getting into these devices. When/If they are standalone with an optional service, then I'll get onboard. Until then paying a monthly fee and not totally owning my own device is unacceptable.

Fantastic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631902)

This is fantastic.

Re:Fantastic (1)

jedie (546466) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632023)

WHAT is in godsname fantastic about this? I think it's the most logical decission possible...
I find it even disturbing that there are discussions about the possibilities of such a thing...

Victory you say?

--Yoda

forgot the rest of the quote :p

Re:Fantastic (1)

wikkid007 (562355) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632231)

It's fantastic because the ruling was overturned. Of course it was a logical decision, but the concerns (and pocketbooks) of large media companies can sometimes overshadow logic in the courtroom.

good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631906)

FP!

fp? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631909)

fp? maybe. who knows. who cares.
all your base are belong to us

Hurrah! (1)

ScannerBoy (174488) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631914)

Perhaps now I will go out and buy one of these. Say YES to good precident!

Re:Hurrah! (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632096)

Say YES to good precident!

George W.'s campaign slogan for 2004 has been leaked apparently.

Re:Hurrah! (1)

Ummon_i (515769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632109)

Thats about the funniest thing I have heard in a month

FP? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631915)

could it be? yes, i think it is

Judge also says Taco is a hypocritical fag. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631917)

I can't wait until VA goes bankrupt and Slashdot is shut down. Good luck selling your worst-of-breed, formerly Open Source, reviled-by-all developers-who-have-actually-tried-it source control system! SourceForge is almost as unprofessional and non-functional as fucking Mozilla!

-- The_Messenger [geocities.com]

Re:Judge also says Taco is a hypocritical fag. (-1, Troll)

Nobody's Hero (552712) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631934)

how does this apply to the article????

Re:Judge also says Taco is a hypocritical fag. (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631938)

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AC to tha rescue! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631918)

AC p0w3r! w00t!

LNUX COUNTDOWN... P.S. Whats CLIT? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631921)

24 DAYS UNTIL LNUX IS DE-LISTED FROM NASDAQ!!

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:10:51 -0500
From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: lwn@lwn.net, editors@linuxtoday.com, malda@slashdot.org, editor@linux.com,
Subject: When times get hard

It hit the papers today that VA Linux Systems is going to have to cut 25% of its staff. The press release, as usual, was bland and neutral,
emphasizing our healthy revenue growth and our bright prospects -- the kind of corporate-speak everybody expects, and that VA has to
generate. It's part of the game.

It's no secret that I'm on VA's Board of Directors. I was at the board meeting where the five-odd people who have the responsibility to advise
Larry Augustin told him what he had to do. I was part of that decision, and it was not an easy one.

I'm not speaking for VA now (I basically never try to do that anyway; it's not my job). I'm speaking for myself. It was a weird, wrenching feeling
to wander around VA headquarters that afternoon, talking with good friends of mine, knowing in a few cases that they were likely to be canned through
no special fault of their own.

What VA is going through now is a sort of ritual bloodletting. The logic of the market is pitiless; when you don't make your numbers, the investors
want to be appeased by evidence that you're doing things to raise your profitability. That means making more dollars per employee, and the
fastest way to get there, the way investors effectively *demand* that you get there, is by laying off your least dollar-yielding employees.

Otherwise, you get what is politely called "loss of investor confidence". Companies go on life support when that happens -- they
can't get capital by selling shares, and that has ripple effects -- it tends to make potential customers bolt. When the customers bolt, the company runs out of money and die. Or it gets acquired, either by a large competitor or (worse) by a slice-n-dice artist who will sell off the assets and shitcan the company.

I went along with the 25% cuts because I understood the possible alternative: no company. And no employees. And no possibility that
my friends will ever be able to come back to work for a company they still love and care about.

I think VA's problems are solvable ones. The company got rocked by the popping of the dot.com bubble and the economic downturn we're in.
But we know what we have to do to deal with that. In order to avoid making what the SEC calls "forward-looking statements" I'm not going
to talk about our strategy or future prospects here; you can go ask VA's corporate-communications folks about that.

But the real reason I'm writing this little broadside is larger than VA; it's about the state of the open-source community, and the things
we need to keep in mind when times get hard.

VA, along with Red Hat, is one of the two bellwethers of the open-source business community. Some people are going to freak out
and think this setback is a harbinger of doom, that it means our community's game is over. Some people, especially at certain
monopolistic closed-source competitors I don't need to name, know better -- that troubles like VA's are pretty common in a market
downturn
-- but they'll use it as ammunition in a FUD campaign anyhow. Expect to see Steve Ballmer and Jim Alchin quietly gloating at any
trade-press reporter they can collar. Brace for it.

And, as it says in large friendly letters on the back of the Hitchhiker's Guide, DON'T PANIC! What we're seeing now is entirely
normal.
It's the long, dizzy boom time that has just ended, all smiles and champagne and venture capital sloshing around looking
for business plans, that has been exceptional. Business cycles happen, there are layoffs and retrenchments all over the economy --
and this, too, shall pass. Things will get better.

There is actually one good thing for us about economic slumps. During them, IT departments and software users in general feel pressure to cut costs. That makes low-cost and free software more attractive. Over the next few months you can expect to see a lot of submarine Linux deployments suddenly surfacing as managers realize that they'll look *good* on their quarterlies if they cut their licensing and service costs, and as the techies working for them get that message
and fess up to how many NT boxes they've been replacing by stealth.

So the downturn isn't all bad news for us, by any means. We just needto keep doing what we're doing, the best work we can. And when the
economy picks up again, we will have gained by it.

Back at IPO time I wrote an essay called "Surprised By Wealth" in which I tried to deal with how weird it felt to have a theoretical net
worth of $41 million.
Am I upset that all that "wealth" is gone, at least until the stock bounces back? Well...yes and no. As a member
of VA's Board, it's my job to worry about our stock price, on behalf of all of our stockholders. So I care about that.

But personally? Nah. I wasn't in this for the bucks then, and I'm not now. Like most hackers, I do what I do for love and I thank the
gods that I can occasionally talk people into paying me money for it. Feels almost like taking advantage of them sometimes, doesn't it?

All the corporate stuff is not, after all, the point -- the point is to change the world, to do better software and give users more
choices. It's been a nice party, but some of us did get a little distracted by all that easy money flowing around. If the slump does
nothing else but take our eyes off those dollar signs and put them firmly back on the work, maybe it will have been the best thing for us
after all.

P.S. Whats CLIT? (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632068)

CLIT is the Community of Logged-In Trolls.

You'd do well to join us and shed your cowardly AC title.

When it comes down to it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631922)

In many of these cases, it only matters what the final judge decides, and then it really only matters what the Supreme Court decides. Each side will continue to appeal as long as they have money trying to get the ruling they want.

Reason: (1)

Papineau (527159) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631933)

Judge said the brown envelope sent to her address wasn't big enough to warrant such a thing.

(Note for humour impaired: don't moderate it)

Re:Reason: (1)

ELCarlsson (570500) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632059)

Are you implying that a big business would give money to politicians and judges to influence important decisions. Oh come on! This is America. Nothing like that would happen here. Big business looks out for it's customers. It cares. It wouldn't dare to corrupt the system with money. So lets take a minute to thank big business for all they have done for us.

Re:Reason: (2)

eam (192101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632130)

How interesting that your sarcasm doesn't address the acceptance of bribes. You could have said, "Are you implying that the judges & politicians would actually accept money in exchange for favors?"

I wonder if that means anything...

Re:Reason: (1)

Papineau (527159) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632135)

You're right, I'm wrong. It wasn't a brown envelope. It was a skiing vacation in the Rockies, and everybody knows that she prefers to do sight-seeing on a Mediterranean cruise...

1984 (2, Interesting)

Jones E. Versichoran (541105) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631935)

I assume everyone remembers the television "screens" in 1984 which allowed the state to view exactly what its denizens were doing? It came *this* close to realization before this thankfully clued-in judge overturned it.

We're not there yet.

Re:1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631995)

The difference is the 1984 telescreens were able to watch everything in the room they were installed in. Tivo TVs can only see what the customer is watching. Not nearly as bad, IMHO. Start panicking when they put video cameras in Tivos.

Re:1984 (1)

mlarios (212290) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632058)

Okay well maybe it's not as bad as 1984 but it's still an invasion of privacy. Kudos to the judge on this ruling.

Re:1984 (2)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632007)

How does tracking what you watch equate to knowing what you're doing (other than knowing that you're flipping through the channels?). I am as pissed as anyone about the original decision, but let's not make too much of a leap here.

nothing new (1)

atr0p1s (580750) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631939)

the corporations have been doing this for years, back and forth

Re:nothing new (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631974)

That's a cynical point of view, don't you think? I mean the technology (+audience using it) to record people's viewing habits is rather new. It's a problem we, the connected nation, are going to have to be cautious of over the next few years.

It'd take an extremely over-simplified point of view to say 'oh this happens all the time'.

Music to my ears... (5, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631949)

"If the networks and studios focused on the inevitable evolution of their business instead of attempts to stifle technology, we believe everyone involved would benefit, consumers most of all," the CEO added. "

I'm starting to hear this more and more. I hope that this was an influence in the judge's decision. The simple fact of the matter is that markets change. You can't legally force them to stay put. Doing so will ruin this economy. There is a lot more at stake here than just ad revenue.

Re:Music to my ears... (1)

eam (192101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632252)

I see more & more shows on in letter-box format (ER jumps to mind). Has anyone experimented with running it non-stop (maybe an intermission at 30 minutes for an hour long show), and scrolling ads across the unused space? If you shifted the show closer to the top of the screen, there'd be more room for ads. They don't even have to scroll, smooth transitions, fade-in/fade-out, whatever.

...of course, with HDTV "on the horizon", this would only work while many TV's with the older aspect ratio are still in use. After that they'd have to rely on product placement: "In return for Pepsico's sponsership of ER, every ER Doc, Nurse, & patient will be seen drinking Pepsi at all times."

After they do this (adapt), it no longer matters who records what with what.

If the entertainment industry wants to spy... (3, Interesting)

Cmdr Taco (luser) (578089) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631950)

then they should design and market their own Tivo/ReplayTV, etc device. I'm sure that they would know how to market it and I bet they could sell to countless Joe Schmedley's who wouldn't care if their viewing practices were monitored. Especially if they were given some kind of incentive like a chance to win some prize by actively participating in info gathering.

OTOH, the enterainment industry might wreck that product by not providing a commercial skip/fast forward feature. They're still deathly afraid that they'll piss of they're advertisers.

Re:If the entertainment industry wants to spy... (3, Insightful)

bafu (580052) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632079)

OTOH, the enterainment industry might wreck that product by not providing a commercial skip/fast forward feature.

They might have the courage to add some features the others wouldn't, though. For instance, whenever you pause the unit, instead of showing the same screen forever, they could automatically replay recent commercials! They could also autosave commercials you might be interested in based on their similarity to other commercials that you enjoyed (i.e. watched). Then there would be the "Content Advance" feature (only works for channels that preserve the commercial marking signals) which would let you skip the tedious filler that is crammed between our beloved commercials. Just be careful! That content is there for a reason... if you only see the commercials you might start taking them for granted and getting tired of them! I think I read a science fiction story that had a scenario like that, but I can't recall the name...

Rights (1)

Trolocsis (319617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631951)

Finally a company that understands their consumers rights. There is nothing different from the Replay system than fast forwarding commercials on a VHS tape.

Rights are hard to come by these days... too bad there isn't more of an outcry.

Re:Rights (3, Funny)

mrgrey (319015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631993)

Consumers have rights? I didn't know that. Usually everything we buy has fine print that tends to negate any rights we had prior to purchasing the product.

Re:Rights (2, Interesting)

dmanny (573844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632025)

Your comment again provides an opportunity to point to VHS VCRs from Panasonic (and perhaps others) that automatically analyzes commercial content after recording and automatically fast forwards during playback. It works pretty good and is reasonably fast. Also, when I pull that tape out, it can go to a much wider audience than other hiqh speed internet video/computer junkies.

All of the people that I exchange recordings with have already or will soon migrate to this type of VCR. It only takes one demo. It is very convincing.

Re:Rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3632050)

There is a difference. Unless you have one of those fancy VCRs that can detect and skip commercials, you have to watch a commercial and/or do something else during it before you have the recorded tape, and thus the ability to fast foward commercials. With PVRs, a commercial will never be shown. (As I understand it. Correct me if I'm wrong).

Re:Rights (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632190)

You know what? There is no legal obligation for me to watch commercials. If a PVR will never show a commercial and lets me watch my shows that much easier and quicker, then great.

Nothing says that big business has the right to have their message heard. They can say it, but I don't have to listen.

Kierthos

HA HA HA (-1, Offtopic)

TwistedKestrel (550054) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631956)

This is not the first post!!! ha!! GIVE me MOD POINTS right NOW!

ha ha ha ha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3631996)

Mod points for the motherfucker please!

Re:HA HA HA (0)

TwistedKestrel (550054) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632217)

awesome! I have the power to get negative points any time I want! I must only use this...for evil!

We'll never get targeted advertising at this rate (1, Troll)

Win-Developer (316016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631965)

I don't understand why people are so opposed to having viewing habit information gathered. All the cable companies will be pushing targeted advertising in the next year or two, how will the cable companies be able to deliever targeted ads if no one wants their viewing habits looked at?

How are cable companies supposed to gather the data they need? I'd like to know...

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (1)

3vi1 (544505) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632072)

How about they ask us which type of advertisements we'd like to see (let us choose categories via a menu), instead of trying to ascertain what we're interested in via spying on our viewing habits?

The one night of the week I watch BattleBots, I don't want to see a ton of feminine hygene product advertisements just because my wife watches soap operas every day.

-J

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (2)

eam (192101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632188)

I don't think advertisers care what you want to see. In fact, their goal would be to show you something you *don't* want or need, and convince you that you *do* need it...

...I'm not sure what you'd do with the feminine hygiene products, but I'm sure the manufacturers would love to have you buy them whether you need them or not.

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (2, Insightful)

Huge Pi Removal (188591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632076)

OK, just to take a (slightly) extreme example...

Girlfriend/wife goes to bed. Boyfriend/husband stays up and watches pr0n (without girl's knowledge). Next day, watching telly together, ads for "the hottest new sex channel" come up.

Man in trouble.

Just a random example. I'm sure there are many other less-morally-dubious ones :)

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (1)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632078)

I'm almost afraid to say this here, but I agree with you...partially. I gave up the concept of true privacy a while ago. If someone really wants to find everything about me, they can. It may be inconvient for them, but casual snooping is just plain rude anyway.

HOWEVER, it is just smacks of seediness for a judge to mandate that viewing habit information be collected by the manufacturers of an appliance. It's like requiring computer manufacturers to automatically compile a record of every file stored on them and to send that list to M$. just in case

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3632080)

"All the cable companies will be pushing targeted advertising in the next year or two, how will the cable companies be able to deliever targeted ads if no one wants their viewing habits looked at?"

Not my problem.

"How are cable companies supposed to gather the data they need? I'd like to know..."

They don't need it. They do want it. I don't want them to have it and they are my viewing habits and my eyeballs for the targeted ads. We already pay for what should be a purely ad supported medium (they said so then).

We could give up yet another foothold to the same creetins that call us durring dinner (telemarketers)and interupt our entertainment (advertisers) but I say no, if only because fighting them is often more entertaining than the stuff on television.

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (2)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632123)

Because as soon as some one has the information, EVERYONE will want to use it, including the government.

Suppose you're in a bitter custody battle for your children and the ex says you're a terrible parent and you're violent. Her lawyer would subpoena the cable company and then hire a psychiatrist to analyze your viewing habits and give expert testimony against you based on information that is totally irrelevant. And you know most judges would believe them.

Or if you want to go with Big Brother conspiracy theories, then lets assume that the new and improved FBI/CIA is going to make a new Carnivore program that will analyze your viewing habits and flag you as a murderer, rapist, child molester, terrorist, etc..

Of course these are extreme views, but are they really that far out there when compared to recent laws?

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (1)

da_Den_man (466270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632151)

You don't read much, or you don't follow the paranoid writings of some of the worlds greatest authors. Orwell gave a great definition of monitoring habits and likes/dislikes, albeit was a rather extreme (yet seems to be hitting the mark these days) with his 1984. Heinlein, Asimov, Gibson have all written the extremes of what "COULD" happen with just simple monitoring. Hell, these days they want to monitor what you watch, download, upload, e-mail, converse telephonically. All this to target a product to me that I more than likely already have or would NEVER use? No thanks. I like to keep random times and choices. I like to do my own research, rather than be spoon fed (force fed) TARGETED advertisements.

Ever watch the movie RED DAWN? The invaders (at the time were Russian/Cuban) located and eliminated all the gun owners by tracking their records. Now, just imagine a corporation doing this...

There is a world of difference between REQUIRE (2)

nyet (19118) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632158)

.. and ALLOW.

The proposed settlement would REQUIRE them to monitor. If they decide that *as a part* of their business model, they would like to monitor viewers habits, they can do so. They can make it voluntary. They can make it opt in. Then can make it opt out. The point is, the government should not be the one telling them what their business model should be.

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (2)

mikeee (137160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632211)

How are cable companies supposed to gather the data they need?

I don't know, and I don't care. They fact that they would like to know doesn't make it any of their damn business.

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (3, Interesting)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632225)

There is danger in targetted advertising. New customer aquisition tends to suffer when you target _too_ well (because you're advertising to people who are likely already customers), and then advertisers get soured on the value of advertising. Some of the best and most valuable advertising and marketing is decidedly _non-targeted_ where advertisers surprise themselves by finding high converstion rates and RIOs in market segments they never would have thought of had they been offered uber-granular targeted media buys.

Re:We'll never get targeted advertising at this ra (1)

richlb (168636) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632229)

I don't understand why people are so opposed to having viewing habit information gathered. All the cable companies will be pushing targeted advertising in the next year or two, how will the cable companies be able to deliever targeted ads if no one wants their viewing habits looked at?

I hope this is sarcasm. Boy do I hope.

If it's NOT sarcasm, I'll respond with this: Most people would probably not mind having their viewing habits recorded under the proper circumstances. The problem here is that 1) the customers who bought the SonicBlues weren't informed up front. Imagine if your car suddenly started telling Ford (or Chevy, or Kia) where you were driving, or how fast you were going. I'm sure that if the Nielsen Corportation (the rating company that gathers data for the TV industry) designed a box for retail sale that collected data, people would buy it. As long is they were informed in advance of this.

To be honest, I don't know why they haven't done this yet. It costs the Nielsen Corporation $$ to track the ratings for TV shows when people would do it for free.

Judge Says... (0, Troll)

GOD_ALMIGHTY (17678) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631967)

Slashdot doesn't have to repeat stories [slashdot.org]
Micheal says, "My write up was longer too! This is an injustice!".

Re:Judge Says... (2)

mickeyreznor (320351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631986)

a stay of the order != overturning the order.

/. repeats stories occasionally, but not this time. don't yell at them for something they didn't do.

Re:Judge Says... (2)

GOD_ALMIGHTY (17678) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631992)

I'm a dumbass... guess this isn't a repeat... being June 3rd and all....

I really should go back to my code now...

Re:Judge Says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3632069)

yah, but yer comment was funny tho (and the fact that your IAAD was posted +2, for max karma loss)

Re:Judge Says... (2)

rhizome (115711) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632001)

Well, seeing as this story is about the previous ruling being struck down (today) as opposed to an interim stay on the order being granted (5/15), it would seem that GOD_ALMIGHTY is looking a bit GOD_ALSTUPID right about now.

Re:Judge Says... (1)

isoteareth (321937) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632003)

They're different stories. They had previously been granted a stay on the monitoring order. Now the monitoring order has been overturned.

Re:Judge Says... (2)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632006)

Slashdot didn't repeat a story. You cited a temporary stay--this is a permanent ruling which overturns the lower court.

<sarcasm> Sheesh. To hell with reading the articles, let's not even bother reading the editorial blurbs anymore. </sarcasm>

Setting an interesting precedent (1)

dmanny (573844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3631983)

This is good. It would have been dangerous beyond the scope of the case at hand to have the court start requiring the implementation of anything that those opposed to a software system dream up. Of course this could be eroded or reversed by other cases but still a step in what sane people must think is the right direction.

Slashdot Community Theft (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632004)

Why is it that everyone on Slashdot seems to be pro-theft? You want to steal music, steal TV, steal everyone else's rights.

You all seem to feel that because you have decided to use a 'free' operating system that you have the right to take whatever else you need/want. We'll go ahead and skip over the whole Linux is used mainly by LBGT argument for this discussion.

Thank You.

Don't Hold Your Breath (5, Insightful)

FuddChuckles (581257) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632019)

Unfortunately, I think the victory will be shortlived. Replay TV users can basically ftp television shows to each other's consoles. Neat feature, but it probably makes the entertainment powers-that-be soil themselves with fear ("Holy Cow! That's file swapping! Quick, get me Legal on the phone").

Rather than work with Replay TV or TiVo, it will only be a matter of time before the TV industry reps files for litigation that will require Replay TV to monitor their users for uncopyrighted or illegally disseminated materials, and prevent their transmission.

After all, it worked to get rid of Napster, didn't it?

Sigh.

-FC

Re:Don't Hold Your Breath (2)

vanguard (102038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632174)

You're right. However, that's why I think an open source effort will rule the pvr market for technically aware users.

An open source project wouldn't concern themselves with the DCMA or network partnerships. They don't need advertisers and they don't need to make money. They just build functionality that they want.

Anyway, it's just a thought.

wow, 48 hours late (-1, Offtopic)

SnakeUVS (168500) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632032)

Bloomberg broke this story [bloomberg.com] on Friday evening. I submitted it on Saturday morning. Great turnaround guys...

In response... (5, Funny)

Asikaa (207070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632039)

In response to the ruling, the major TV networks released the following statement:

"Ok that's it. We've had enough with the public. Who do they think they are? Well, we have a plan.

All network TV will now be encrypted in a similar fashion to satellite TV. In order to be issued a decryption smartcard, customers will be forced to sit through 120 hours of non-stop commercials followed by back-to-back reruns of My Two Dads and Hart to Hart."

Re:In response... (4, Funny)

curunir (98273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632194)

5 minutes later...

The hacker community releases instructions for constructing an antenna capable of decrypting the new broadcasts using only spare AOL CDs, 4 paperclips and a rubber band.

Re:In response... (2)

Target Drone (546651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632249)

customers will be forced to sit through 120 hours of non-stop commercials followed by back-to-back reruns of My Two Dads and Hart to Hart.
It's kind of sad, but I think it's things like this that are going to be TVs own undoing. Kind of remoinds me of a Star Trek episode [crosswinds.net] I saw. Here's an excerpt from the script.

SONNY: Yeah, boob-tube... you know. I'd like to find out how the Braves are doin' after all this time. Probably still finding ways to lose.
DATA: (to Riker) Oh -- I think he means television, sir.
SONNY: Or maybe catch up on the soaps.
DATA: (to Sonny) That particular form of entertainment did not last much beyond the year Two Thousand Forty.

I'd say we might even be a bit ahead of the 2040 schedule.

Wow... (1)

Justen (517232) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632040)

What judge issued that April ruling? Could you imagine? The marketing firms would love to be able to say:

"I'm sorry, but we *have* to monitor your viewing habits. We're *required* by federal law."

Geez.

jrbd

Effects of technology on the tv industry (5, Insightful)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632063)

So this is getting interesting. More and more companies are coming up with technologies to zap commercials. If the technology is robust and usage widespread, will we see a fundamental shift in how we "pay" for tv content? After all, much of the cost of over the air tv is subsidized by commercials, so what if (in a web crash way) advertisers say, hey, if people are zapping the commercials, we are not going to run them/pay a heck of a lot less for them. Say that this is widespread (again, like the rollercoaster that web advertising has gone through), will the networks then be forced to shift their business models? What would they shift them to? Would this be the begining of the end of "free" over the air tv? I personally know of only a couple of people who do not have cable/satellite, is OTATV a dinosaur anyway? Is the price we'll pay for being able to zap commericials be that we'll have to pay more for content?

Re:Effects of technology on the tv industry (3, Insightful)

TMB (70166) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632171)

Or maybe more of the advertising becomes within-show and sponsorship-related. No ad-zappers will zap out the logo on the can of pop the actor is drinking. Or the title of the show.

[TMB]

Re:Effects of technology on the tv industry (4, Funny)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632173)

Would this be the begining of the end of "free" over the air tv? I personally know of only a couple of people who do not have cable/satellite, is OTATV a dinosaur anyway?

Good point--cable television is widespread and fairly affordable; and it offers high signal quality even if the content does suck.

I really hope the TV broadcasters don't take a cue from web advertising. I can imagine it now:

Joe SixPack hits "power" button on remote to turn off his TV, only to get bombarded with six pop-up advertisements. He hits the power button to get rid of the pop-ups, and gets two more for every one he "turns off." The whole TV display goes blue and dumps a whole bunch of technical gibbersh, then goes black as a wisp of smoke escapes from the back of the set.

I wouldn't mind, but only if... (4, Insightful)

Hans Lehmann (571625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632074)

I really wouldn't care if the networks were aware of what I was watching right now. Unfortunately, they wouldn't just leave it at that. My TV viewing history would be stored, possibly sold to third parties, and might eventually come back to bite me in the ass. "Sorry Mr. Lehmann, but our records show that you watched 'The Spring Break Bikini Babes / Alien Autopsy Special' on Fox back in 1994. We wouldn't want types like you in this organization. Have a nice day"

This tragic ruling (5, Funny)

First Person (51018) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632089)

This is a sad day for us lying bastards. I was just beginning to relish the idea of hacking the reporting mechanism. Then I'd be able to influence network programming without even viewing the shows. This way I could dictate the mindless drivel without having to watch any of it - a double win! Create enough spurious reports and the system would have been useless. *evil grin*

Big Brother stays away... (0)

azadism (578262) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632121)

...at least for a little while longer. Spyware in your TV, yuck!

Ealier in this saga... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3632141)

Wasn't it discovered earlier that SonicBlue was already collecting data on thier viewers? All this means is that they don't have to produce the data to the big TV networks.

G!

Broadcasters don't really want shows monitored (1)

Apoptosis66 (572145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632146)

I must be the only one who wants TV shows to be tracked. And I find it hillarious that Broadcasters do to. I want TV shows to have to stand up to the same metrics as websites do. To have commercials linked directly to web pages, or to monitor how many people fast forward or leave the room during commercials. I garentee TV would see the same Advertising withdraw that the Web did. Broadcasters have a really nice system going where the only messure of how much money the get for a advertising spot is how many people are watching the show. Do you think Ford will spend 10 million dollars on a super bowl add, if they found out everyone goes outside during half time an throws the ball around. (I know bad example, but you get the point). Basicly I don't think Broadcasters are ready for the revenue change new metrics of this type will bring. Apoptosis

Sonic Blue & ReplayTV are not protecting your (2, Interesting)

lupine (100665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632162)

If you buy a replaytv then all your viewing data belongs to them. Then they use your tv and your pvr to force feed you targeted ads when you pause, in banners on menus etc.

This [216.239.51.100] cached google page is why I will not be buying a replaytv. When will device manufacturers make a decent product and leave me the fuck alone after the sale. I have money to spend and I will not support companies that harass me.

UK: Data Protection Act (2)

fruey (563914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632182)

In the UK, any individual has the right to have access to any data stored about their personal details, preferences, etc.

Is there any law like this in the US? I'd love to see users being given the right to see the data on these boxes (when inevitably it is harvested), especially via some kind of telnet login ;-) then you could hack the contents and send their statistics to hell. Big brother, go away.

The business needs to change (2)

vanguard (102038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632213)

Before the remote control ads were sometimes downright painful. I remember commercials for headache medicine that emphasized the pounding and pounding and pounding. Nowadays, commercials need to be funny or at least a little entertaining to keep your attention or you'll change the channel. They need will be even better in the PVR era. You can't hold technology back. They may have stopped napster but did they stop file sharing?

sounds good to me (2)

pinkUZI (515787) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632227)

The way the article describes the system it makes these devices out to be a lot like an "internet-device" style napster clone. Wonder if this ruling will have any effect precedent-wise for these type of companies in the future...

Spyware on the TV.. (5, Insightful)

ldopa1 (465624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3632242)

The original ruling was ridiculous on the face of it in the first place.

I already had a device that would allow me to record a live television program, skip all of the commercials and for a small fee send the ENTIRE program to my friends.. It's called a VCR.. It use to come in two flavors, Beta-Max (the Macintosh of VCR's) and VHS (the DOS of VHS, does 70% of Beta-Max, with better marketing).

I really think that the people who should have pressed the suit in the first place were the Nielson folks. They're the ones who really need to know that I've watched the entire Band Of Brothers series about 80 times so far....

The only reason that the first judge didn't make RCA/SONY/et al write software for VCR's that reported who was recording what was the simple fact that NOBODY knows how to program a VCR... ;)
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