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Taiwan to Start National Push For Free Software

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the makes-good-sense dept.

GNU is Not Unix 299

Andy Tai writes: "Taiwan will start a national plan to jump-start the development and use of Free (libre) Software, according to this report by the Central News Agency, the government news agency of Taiwan, Rep. of China. Due to high Microsoft license fees and also to improve the levels of software technology in Taiwan, this plan includes the creation of a totally Chinese free software environment for Taiwan users, free software application development, and training of 120,000 people for free software skills, as well as efforts at schools to provide diverse information technology environments to ensure the freedom of information. The original article is in Chinese; an English summary appears in this Kuro5hin article."

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299 comments

Purchase as much LNUX as you want to make? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636698)

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Re:Purchase as much LNUX as you want to make? (-1)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636728)

If you buy now we will throw in 6 free acres of waterfront property in the charming sunny FL Keys.

once again (-1)

Forsh (572618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636738)

I told you NOT TO listen to your friend....

Beat his ass for lying to you.

And tell him to take that spandex penguin suit off, thats for Slashdot fags.

WARNING: DON'T READ PARENT (-1)

Tubcat (561572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636768)

WARNING: First Post does NOT have links to nasty pictures!

Mod parent down (-1)

Mod this up (+5)

LINSUX (-1)

Forsh (572618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636704)

LINSUX is not a religion you ZEALOTS

about time (0)

SquireCD (465008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636705)

I wonder if MS will listen up... I really is comforting to hear that an entire country will push this thing that most of us do...

Re:about time (-1)

Forsh (572618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636721)

umm nobody cares. Linsux is dead, now go shower up.

Taiwan is NOT a country (-1, Flamebait)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636863)



In contrary to popular believe, Taiwan is NOT a country. Instead, it is just a province of China.

Thank you very much !

Re:Taiwan is NOT a country (-1, Flamebait)

mab (17941) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636898)

Nah, China is a province of Taiwan :)

Re:Taiwan is NOT a country (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636902)

I believe that the United Nation has said something about that... here is some info [taiwandc.org] .

Re:Taiwan is NOT a country (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636940)

Let's not start another Taiwan war here.

For all western countries Taiwan IS a nation, because whatever you do, you need to contact the authorities in Taipei... not in Beijing. Immigration is handled by the pro forma embassies of Taiwan (called Taipei Trade office or whatever), Taiwan has an army equipped with US technology rather than CCCP technology (as China)...

what is going to happen in 50 years is a totally different story

Re:Taiwan is NOT a country (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636953)

Isn't this what king george said about the United States circa 1812?

This is Asia we're talking about (0, Troll)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636708)

Free software has a completely different meaning than what the zealots here like to believe.

Oh, they'll be using free software alright. It'll just be Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office.

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636716)

ObviousGuy once again lives up to his handle...

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636720)

I was slipping there for a bit... But I'm back on track and ready to point out the Obvious!

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636839)

no need to state the obvious

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636848)

You'd be surprised. :-(

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636901)

No, you'd be surprised.

The obvious is never so clear as when left to speak for itself.

Or, as they say in Latin....

Ipsato

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636907)

The man who allows the obvious to pass uncommented gains no karma.

Re:This is Asia we're talking about (2)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636726)

"and also to improve the levels of software technology" except for this part I'd say you're right... Microsoft has yet to improve software technology unless you consider marketing the hell out of it an improvement.

best part of the article (2, Interesting)

Kargan (250092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636709)

//Also, the national education system will switch to Open Source in order to provide a diverse IT education environment and ensure the people's rights to the freedom of information.//

Now *that* is what I like to see! Get the next generation started off right.

Re:best part of the article (-1)

Forsh (572618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636732)

Yea and teach them about the history of "Open Source" and how it was a big failure.

You know, all those companies that couldn't make money off of it. Teach them that while they are using it.

think of the effects... (-1)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636765)

that open sores will have on these people! Rampant, uncontrollable homosexual urges pulsing through a nation at a stunning rate. They will be buggering each other silly in the streets of Taipei. The Taiwanese just aren't ready for that level of queerness!

Re:best part of the article (1)

gylle (531234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636828)

More importantly, I see great dangers in today's practice of using only Microsoft software in IT education. Our children will grow up to only know how to use this software. This is dangerous in the same way as having an entire wheat field being the exact same cloned genotype. A disease can wipe out the whole crop.

Re:best part of the article (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636838)

Or the purity can make them the most damage resistant [webmineral.com] group on the planet.

Re:best part of the article (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636910)

can you explain your homework bear sig? seems like it's making reference to somthing i should know about

Re:best part of the article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636944)

"You Must Fight The Bear" was a skit on Saturday Night Live featuring Michael Myers (sp?). As punishment for not doing what you were told, you were made to fight a bear.

AND FURTHERMORE... (-1)

Forsh (572618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636714)

Wearing Penguin spandex, while burning Microsoft flags does not make you a hax0r.

Go shower up.

Thats right it is ok to shower between kernal haX0rings.

Aw it is hopeless you pansy European, Linsux, whiners will never get laid. I can tell Slashdot is a European site just by the smell of it....

Re:AND FURTHERMORE... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636794)

get your head out' yur arse and the smell will go away...

George Lucas Dead at Age 57 (-1)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636715)

Producer, Writer, Director George Lucas Dead at Age 57.

George Lucas [imdb.com] , Producer of fine cinematic features such as Kagemusha (1980), and Latino (1985), as well as the television triumph Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (1985), was found dead at his Modesto, CA enclave of apparent complications from his 5 year long struggle with HIV.
Known for skyrocketing the careers of obviously mediocre actors [imdb.com] in low budget box office disasters [imdb.com] , Lucas managed to make a modest living developing new technologies [matteworld.com] for the film industry.
Impotence not only plagued his career but his personal life as well. Lucas divorced in 1983 and is survived by three adopted children - Amanda (b. 1981), Katie (b. 1988), and Jett (b. 1993).

They will be using this to watch free Episode II. (0, Troll)

thedanceman (582570) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636733)

They can't wait to watch Spiderman and Episode II for free with the free copy of Windows XP.

A new definition of "free" (3, Funny)

cascino (454769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636737)

Yes, that's free as in Û"Äèܽ.

Why not call it "libre software"? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636739)

There's nothing wrong with a new word if it makes thinks clearer. You guys have already borrowed from French déjà vu, résumé, connoisseur, amateur, café, reservoir, fiancé, rendez-vous and beefsteak.

Re:Why not call it "libre software"? (2)

martyn s (444964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636831)

Well libre, while more precise than "free," doesn't have the same implications that "free" has. Like "free"dom of speech. Or "hey, this is a free country". And the fact that most "libre" software is also "free" (gratis) doesn't hurt.

And not only that, libre is awkward to look at, and to pronounce, at least to pronounce following conventional american english pronunciations. It wouldn't have to follow convention if it were a common word, but it's not, so you lose, on all counts.

Re:Why not call it "libre software"? (2)

Arandir (19206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636879)

There are 23 definitions of "free" in my English dictionary. Only two of them relate to monetary cost. Therefore, without even knowing French, I surmise that "libre" has 21 meanings.

The term "libre software" is loaded with political ideology while being only trivially clarified. In short, it's a completely useless term unless you want to identify yourself as a GNU zealot.

A far more accurate term, with only minimal political baggage, is "Open Source".

the problem with "open source" (2)

danny (2658) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636903)

The problem with "open source" is that "open" in that sense only resonates with people who understand e.g. "open protocol" and "open standard", while "source" is only really meaningful to those with some programming experience.

So I'll stick with "free software" - yes, that involves explaining "free", but that's an important word, well worth educating people about.

Danny.

Re:Why not call it "libre software"? (1)

bigsteve@dstc (140392) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636908)

A far more accurate term, with only minimal political baggage, is "Open Source"

While the term "Open Source" is precise, it has no meaning to the average (i.e. non-IT) person. On the other hand, "libre" conveys the intended sense of the word "free" to the larger subset of native English speakers who learnt a bit of French at high school.

Which Taiwan? (0, Flamebait)

scrote-ma-hote (547370) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636740)

Now I don't have a TV so can't keep up with the news, (+ too much study), so can I just ask something. Doesn't Taiwan dispute it's association with China? If so, who actually is doing it? The PRC pretending to be Taiwan or the "Taiwanese" government?

Re:Which Taiwan? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636804)

Use the web, Luke...you'll see that Taiwan is genuinely pushing it's own agenda, along with new consumer warnings etc. They seem to be approx. 6 months behind the PRC proper, but at this time, I think it is safe to say that this action is autonomous.

Re:Which Taiwan? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636817)

"Island" Taiwan = Republic of China (ROC) "Mainland" China = People's Republic of China (PRC) I suppose each claims to be the "true" China...

Re:Which Taiwan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636853)

It is Taiwan, not the PRC, doing it.

Re:Which Taiwan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636933)

I believe the PRC has already been engaged in Free Software initiatives through the creation of a chinese language Linux etc.
The issue for countries in S/E Asia seems to be that Microsoft bullies them as if they were representing the U.S. of A...

Heh... (3, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636741)

Nary a mention of the GPL in the entire article text.

Re:Heh... (3, Informative)

sffubs (561863) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636756)

Except that it is implied by

"Also included are international cooperation on free application software development, with the results freely shared internationally"

which suggests Taiwan is going to continue in the spirit of which 'free software' was intended.

-s

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636761)

BSD Free, perhaps?

amusing babelfish (-1)

Drunken Coward (574991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636742)

The babelfish translation is quite amusing for this article. Try it using the url of the actual article, http://content.sina.com/news/27/50/2275045_1_b5.ht ml [sina.com]

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The petal eight forgives is mellow depends the field infant luck startles senate quick shallow suffers aim dam your letter stamp stack Ding cat S Tau the howling knack sticks the benefit cave welds jumps the infant luck.

It goes on and on like that. Either it lost a little in the translation or this article had nothing to do with free software.

Re:amusing babelfish (-1)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636751)

dies for the dry Theta bow Theta
Obviously a hidden message for $cientology.

sig: (-1)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636779)

master blaster

Wrong way to have independence (5, Funny)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636754)

What they should really do to win independence is the following:

Eliminate all free software, Give every citizen pirated copies of Microsoft Windows XP and Office XP plus a plethora of other programs as well.

MS & other big companies freak out over the rampant copyright violations and potential lost revenue and calculate that Taiwan owes them 500 billion dollars or so in license fees!

In light of this CHINA decides it doesn't want that headache of a bill when they re-unify and drops demands for unification of the two countrys(province & country what ever) and now taiwan is free to be their own country(and in trouble with all those licenses they now own)..

Of Course if they proceed to support open source software, china will notice how many good programs and programmers they are turning out and will want to re-unify faster and take the island by force..

See how this can work out only for the worst?

:)

Re:Wrong way to have independence (2)

Mandelbrute (308591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636857)

In light of this CHINA decides it doesn't want that headache of a bill when they re-unify and drops demands for unification of the two countrys(province & country what ever) and now taiwan is free to be their own country(and in trouble with all those licenses they now own)..
Do you realise that China is a lot bigger (and nastier) than microsoft? Forget the conspiracy theories, the agenda is clear - they want something that can easily be modified to fit local conditions, so it's better to be able to modify the source code than wait six months for a service pack (or never) - and have the support for old data vanish every three years or so.

Re:Wrong way to have independence (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636882)

you are forgetting that taiwan in your example is a country in and unto itself. how can they be in trouble with microsoft, they arent under US law or any other law, if it is the government doing it, then they are under the laws that THEY make, so they cannot be forced to pay any thing. Unless of course microsoft sets up their own independant country or army to invade them....i sure wouldnt put it past them

it's a joke son, one of those things you laugh at (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636936)

text

Re:Wrong way to have independence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636890)

No, it is not a good way. The better way is
to develop a absolutely free good multilingual operating system that everyone cannot live without it (even the PRC). Even the CD is free
and no charge for delivery. Only one catch. In
each bootup, you must answer one question,'
Is Taiwan an independent country?' The answer
must be yes, and the system will boot. For a few
year, people in the world will recognize Taiwan.
Can it work? Look at M$. Some people still
think M$ is the only window system.

Re:Wrong way to have independence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636937)

I was told by my professor in Chinese studies that the Chinese believe that plagiarism is actually an honor to one's work. She doesn't understand the guff that American's have about copywright issues. Is this the consensus of Asian culture?

Re:Wrong way to have independence (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636943)

That's bullshit. I'm a chinese from asia and i've never heard that one before.

Personally (-1)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636758)

I hope China lobs a few missiles at the hippie fuckers, and kills a few million free software-using chinks. It would certainly put them out of the misery in which they would find themselves after the conversion.

Dispute with Microsoft (5, Informative)

Overcoat (522810) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636769)

Taiwan has been recently involved in some legal hassles [zdnet.co.uk] with Microsoft over licensing fees and excessive price increases. I wonder if this plan is a genuine effort to use free software just a bluff to put a scare into Microsoft?

Re:Dispute with Microsoft (2)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636776)

It's rich how a country that is on the list of top offenders of IP piracy is claiming damages from Microsoft.

It may just be a theory, but XP's copy protection scheme may be the thing that's pissing them off the most.

Re:Dispute with Microsoft (1, Funny)

Qrlx (258924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636905)

Maybe MS has pushed too far. Better to have a few people actually pay for the SW and pirate it than the Govt. realize that they can't afford it, will get caught pirating, and thus are forced to look to alternatives.

(I remember my old man, back in the Glory Days of the Reagan Era, telling me how much pirated software was in use at the US Copyright office.)

Or maybe this sort of thing is just what MS wants. Bill Gates, in conjunction with the Bush Administration, will Release Microsoft Windows, Patriot Edition. Only Americans will be allowed to use it, and instead of phoning home to Microsoft, it will make your modem dial 1-800-ASHCROFT every night at 10PM.

Taiwan and that senator from Peru will be labeled "open source terrorists." RMS will be hung from his toenails atop the Space Needle, which is probably not such a bad thing after all. All Apache servers will be added to the target lists of Apache helicopters, as thousands of Dying FreeBSD admins learn another meaning of the term "firewall."

I don't know what to make of Microsoft's attempts to cash in on the mythical BSA "money lost due to pirates" revenue stream. Many dot-coms operated at a loss trying to establish market share, but MS already has that. Will their efforts to get everyone to pay up pay off?

Is Taiwan guilty of being an IP offender? Or are they simply willing to cop to the fact that most people can't quite see what's wrong with "borrowing" their friend's CD and installing like crazy.

Imagine how different the world would be today if Gutenberg and Martin Luther had "respected" The Church's IP claims to printing and literacy?

I believe we are living in a dark age, and that the IP revolution may bring us a new Renaissance.

Re:Dispute with Microsoft (2)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636915)

Is Taiwan guilty of being an IP offender? Or are they simply willing to cop to the fact that most people can't quite see what's wrong with "borrowing" their friend's CD and installing like crazy.

According to the article:

Taiwan is racing against time to wipeout copyright piracy as it seeks to be expunged from Washington's "Special 301 Priority Watchlist" of intellectual property offenders.

So they obviously know that what is going on is WRONG and are working hard to get rid of the "sharing" cancer.

Of course, they realize that this is probably easier to do by "sharing" software that was meant to be shared instead of software that was meant to be used productively.

Re:Dispute with Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636956)

The reason was that they pirated the software, not that their license-fees was very high.

MICROSOFT SUCK MY COCK! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636780)

Bill take it up the ass from me personally....

The problem.. (3, Interesting)

neksys (87486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636788)

The problem is that Taiwan is a relatively poor country in comparison to the Western powers. A large-scale shift to open-source, free software will do little in terms of affecting Microsoft's sales. What I'd like to see is a country like Canada take a real stand, and make an effort to use open source software in schools and such. I can guarantee that Microsoft has a significant enough investment in it's northern neighbor that such an act would certainly cause it to at least take a closer look at its business practices.

Re:The problem.. (4, Informative)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636797)

Taiwan's economy is half the size of Canada's. It is by no means small.

Canada [cia.gov]
GDP: purchasing power parity - $774.7 billion (2000 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 4.3% (2000 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $24,800 (2000 est.)

Taiwan [cia.gov]
GDP: purchasing power parity - $386 billion (2000 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 6.3% (2000 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $17,400 (2000 est.)

Re:The problem.. (1)

bruthasj (175228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636811)

Hmm. That's ignorant. Taiwan is far from a poor country. Just a hint, go here: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ tw.html

And look at the percentage of people below the poverty line. Ok?

I live in Taiwan and there is more BMW's / Mercedes driving around than I have ever seen. (Never been to Germany ... ) Of course, the CIA world factbook actually has better measures of "wealth" than what I have stated.

Re:The problem.. (1)

neksys (87486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636844)

My apologies, I didn't state that very well. The point I was trying to make is that the total amount of money ending up in Microsoft's hands from Taiwan is certainly less than my example, Canada. And geographically speaking, Canada would make a greater impact.

For the record, however, the poverty line is generally a poor indicator of the wealth of a country, as it is a relative measure. The poverty line is the bare minimum income needed to adequately feed and house a single person. In Taiwan's case, staples such as rice would be next to nothing in terms of cost, which may skew the poverty line indication (not that that's the case, as I've never been to Taiwan, just commenting)

Re:The problem.. (1)

martyn s (444964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636854)

I think it's really amazing that only 1% of people there are below the poverty line, and 12.7% of people here are below the poverty line.

I'm in no way doubting that there are way too many people in the US that are below the poverty line, but how accurate is that data about taiwan? 1%. I wish people would stop embracing cutthroat capitalism here. I doesn't always work, and it isn't always efficient.

Re:The problem.. (1)

jeorgen (84395) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636849)

The problem is that Taiwan is a relatively poor country in comparison to the Western powers.

Taiwan is not particularly poor it. According to the CIA fact book [cia.gov] it had a GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity of $17,400 (2000 est.).

This is more or less on par with EU countries, although admittedly a little poorer than the US.

/jeorgen

Interesting Point... (2)

BlackGriffen (521856) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636858)

Should people start lobbying the states/federal government to impose another penalty on M$: a boycott of Microsoft products? All the government agencies are big customers, after all, and hold enormous influence over the purchasing decisions of many other clients. Even if the states fail to get stiffer penalties, they could still hit Microsoft where it counts: right in the pocket book.

Does anyone else think we should start lobbying for this?

BlackGriffen

Taiwan sucks shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636802)

I hope China nukes your ass.

Re:Taiwan sucks shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636826)

Okay ... darn you didn't get that girl while you were a missionary to an island with 83% Buddhists spreading the gospel about Xenu. Get off it. It's over ... no longer.

GPL and the future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636806)

Say what you will about Stallman, but I get the feeling GPL code of today will outlive all of us. No other license allows code to survive like the GPL.

Re:GPL and the future (1)

Derleth (197102) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636938)

Say what you will about Stallman, but I get the feeling GPL code of today will outlive all of us. No other license allows code to survive like the GPL.
If Stallman had anything to shout about
Free software will outlive us all without any doubt!

(To the tune of 'I Like Chinese', which RMS certainly would at this point.)

Humor (?) aside, it is great that liberated software is becoming so popular these days around the world. Europe, Asia, and South America are all falling to GNU/Linux (Never underestimate the power of the Free Side.), and it seems that the US is the only nation of any importance to the computer field that isn't going GNU/Linux. Redmond is too powerful here, I suppose, and GNU/Linux will be the third horse in a two-horse race in the US for the forseeable future. (BeOS being the llama, and the Amiga being the emu.)

Free software -- they already have it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636814)

With all the piracy going on, pretty much all software in Taiwan is "free" :)

YEAH!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636818)

YEAH! Eat shit and DIE, MS!

No, seriously. Eat it, MS. This is what you get for your rediculous prices, draconaian EULAs and arrogance. One thing the east hates about the west is arrogance, especially in business, and now it's showing. Soooo... SUK it, MS, because the beginning of the end is near!

This is fucktarded (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636823)

Who in Taiwan pays for software in the first place? Pee in my mouth!

Taiwan switching to English? (1)

codeButcher (223668) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636835)

"... this plan includes the creation of a totally Chinese free software environment for Taiwan users..."

????????

Re:Taiwan switching to English? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636842)

No they're making sure those TurboLinux bastards in Mainland China have no say in the matter. Hence Chinese free. It will be a Taiwanese system.

You misread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636906)

totally
Chinese
free software

...not 'chinese free' ...

this is slashcrap...remember, the writing skill level here is sandbox certified at best. Pretend you're reading scrawl on the restroom door and you'll be ok.

Must not sleep...clowns will eat me!

Re:Taiwan switching to English? (0, Redundant)

Derleth (197102) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636926)

It means 'a free software environment completely in the Chinese language'.

Which is what a Taiwanese user would want, one might suppose.

CmdrTaco loves da cock (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636841)

It was another hot sticky evening. I live in a small town of around 20,000
people...very rural driven, with lots of farms surrounding the town. I was
driving home from work, when I parked up on the lakefront to eat my
McDonalds. I'm 21 years old, am straight, slim with a nice tan. I don't
work out ever, but I look healthy.

It was late on the summer's evening...around 9pm...and as usual, there were the
"boyracers" parked up in the same car park. These guys are mostly 15 -- 18
year olds still at school. They wear all the labels, are typically jocks,
and have sexy cars which are lowered, have loud stereo's, tinted windows and
spoilers. There were around 20 cars...all with these teens boozing and doing
drugs. I was wearing my jeans and a t-shirt, and they were mostly wearing
singlets, khakis trousers, baseball caps and sunglasses. There was only one
car park -- between 1 sexy black car and a lowered wagon with tinted windows.
I sat there eating my food, but I couldn't help look at the guys next to
me. They had muscled arms, sexy tans, were mostly clean shaven, and they
were all blonde -- except for one black guy. I had a boner just looking at
them, which I was gently rubbing between by jeans. Suddenly someone yelled
out "hey look this guys a fag -- he's rubbing himself". Suddenly 4 other
teens came over to my car. The black guy grabbed my arm through the window
(which was wound down). "you fag...you want some?". I didn't know what to
say.

"get out" said one of the blonde guys, with the bluest eyes ever and a smell
of sweat and Tommy boy cologne....he appeared to be the leader...he was the
sexiest by far....well tanned, and his body well defined, but his muscles
weren't huge. I could see one of his large brown nipples peering out from
around his singlet. "get in the wagon" he said. I stepped out, and they
quickly shoved me in the back of the van. 2 jumped in the front, and the
other 3 hopped in the back with me. They all looked so boyish. Fuck I was
horny. The wagon smelled of piss and beer and grass. Also sexy cologne. I
was laying on a black matress which was COVERED in cum stains. The black
guy punched my arm...my cock got harder. "You gonna learn to fucken be a man
tonight you fucken faggot". I looked up and saw the two cutest
twinks...probably both 16, fully french kissing. They were both wearing
shorts, one had fine blonde hairs on his legs...the other had shaven legs.
The guy with the hair legs was rubbing the smooth twink, and his hand was
massaging his balls through the legs in his Khakis. The stereo was up loud
and the car was driving fast....I knew we were heading out into the country.
Suddenly the black guy removed his army trousers, and he had the biggest
blackest, juiciest cock I have EVER seen. He had trimmed pubes, and shaven
legs. "suck it bitch"....I didn't have time to argue...he slammed his meat into
my throat. I sucked on his purple head. "finger my hole you white fag". I
licked my finger, and it quickly slid into his shithole...which felt smooth
and clean. "oh yeah....fuck that hole.... Suck that fat hot cock....oh yeah".
I rubbed his smooth warm thighs with my other hand.

Suddenly the wagon skidded around a corner and into an isolated rest area
next to a farm. The car stopped, then we reversed. Then the back doors
opened, and the car was parked with the rear facing into a field...with a
black horse in it. There were tree's all around us and no other signs of
people. One of the drivers had a small video camera and was videoing me
sucking this black guys cock.

"oh fuck, oh god, oh you bitch, suck my nigger cock, oh yeah, OHHHHH"
suddenly jets of boiling hot, thick sticky cum bolted down my mouth, down my
throat and over my face. His body shuddered.....he then pushed me over on to
my back. They dragged the mattress out of the car and onto the ground. One
of the teens was out with the horse bringing him over. There was a full
moon, and the car had bright lights on the inside. The horse came over to
us...then they all removed their clothes. The other teens were blonde with
sexy firm stomachs, slight muscles, and they had sexy shaven legs. I was
in paradise. These sexy teens were all gonna fuck me hard and raw.

Then one of the boys pashed me....."ohhhh" he moaned as our tongues twisted.
Then the leader guy ripped my t-shirt off, and twisted my nipples.
"arrrrgghh" I screamed. "fuck up fag" he said, and he kicked me in my
thigh........he kept pinching and twisting....my cock was SO hard, and dripping
cum. I then stopped kissing this gorgeous twink, and turned around...and
there was the black guy sucking the horses cock with the blonde boy with the
hairy legs, sucking, licking and massaging the horses balls.

"ok mother fucker, your turn" said the leader. I knelt down under the horse
and placed my lips around the horses black long cock. I couldn't believe
what was happening. I could smell beer, and 2 of the boys were drinking
beer. The leader then unbuttoned my jeans...."oh yeah, look at that piece of
meat" he said. "Troy -- fix his cock". Troy, the young teen with the shaven
legs, leaned into the wagon and pulled out a small black bag. He placed two
clips onto my nipples...I screamed in pain, but again the leader kicked me in
the thigh....."fuck up slut....suck the cock...that's what you love faggot"....then
a cock ring was placed around my cock so I couldn't cum... and Troy went to
town, sucking on my cock. Then the leader removed my jeans, and spat spit
and snot onto my ass....he rubbed it in with a finger, then pushed his cock
deep into me. "ohhh yeah, fag.....yeah.....let me fuck your virgin ass...ohhhh".
The guy filming all this also was masterbating his cock. The black guy was
drinking beer and his cock had come back to life. And the teen with the
hairy legs started fucking Troy up the ass while he sucked me.

Then the horse started making a noise.....and then it came....huge wads of horse
cum sprayed over my face, and into my mouth. I swallowed as much as I could
but there was gallons of it. The hot cum covered me head to toe. Then the
leader came up my ass.....he wrapped his arms tightly around my neck, almost
strangling me as his firm, hard body convulsed and his cock twitched and
exploded up my ass hole. I had to cum but I couldn't. His smooth chest
rubbed up and down my cum covered back.

The horse wandered off, and Troy then started kissing my chest and eating
the horse sperm. Then another car pulled up.... guy around 18 got out. He
had long black hair, and wasn't clean shaven. He removed his shorts and
hopped over the fence and up to us. They all knew who he was. I didn't.
He removed his khakis and flopped out the longest cock I have ever seen. He
smelt of real man, and he was sexy in a dirty way. He rammed his cock in my
mouth. "sorry I'm late" he said in a deep sexy voice. Then Troy came all
over my chest. Followed by the other teen. I had sperm everywhere. The
leader scooped it up and forced me to drink it while sucking this tall guys
cock...who's name was Robert I think...from what I could here from all the loud
slurping. He fucked my mouth hard.

"suck my balls your homo" I did as I was told. His purple veins stuck out
on his huge balls. "ohhh yeah, suck my balls....put my heavy balls in your
mouth... oh yeah, oh yeah, OH YEAH" then he squirted his cum all over my face
and body... almost as much as the horses. Then the teen filming us came on
me. Then the black guy came over to me. "Open your mouth you cum slut". I
did, and he came in my mouth. "ohh fuck....yeah, yeah suck my white sperm
down your throat....ohhh man that's good". Then he stopped. But before I
could get my breath back, he moved his cock to my mouth again "now swallow
every drop or we'll fucken kill you".....my cock was pulsing with pressure.
He then pissed in my mouth. I swallowed back the golden liquid...."ohhhh" I
moaned in pleasure. Once he had finished, and I'd swallowed every drop, he
leaned over and french kissed me. His big lips felt incredible.

Troy then opened up container full of milky liquid. The leader took it off
him "he you go cum slut.....you love cum so much, then drink every drop of
this" "what is it?" is asked. "cum from a great dame's hot penis and from
a rotweilers". He tipped it into my waiting mouth, as Troy removed my cock
ring. I came instantly shooting my cum about 3 metres, hitting the sexy
twink. Who's name was Matt. "Hey Fuck man, watch it" he said. I drank the
sweet dog cum. Once it had gone, they loaded me and the cum splattered
mattress into the wagon. On the way back into town they took me on the long
trip. I continued to suck off the guys and Matt made me suck his shithole
clean after he crapped into my jeans. I licked his bubble butt clean, after
coming hard all over the back of his smooth twink thighs...which I was then
forced to clean up. They dropped me off at my car.....because Matt had shat
in my jeans I was wearing Matt's Kahkis which smelt sexy....and I still sniff
to this day. Infact, my girlfriend wonders where I got them. Just before
I left Matt pashed me again....and told me if I ever told anyone about this,
they'd "fucken kill me".

I went home and took three days off work, masterbating, eating my cum and
pissing into my mouth. I've never seen those guys again...they must've been
visiting.

My girlfriend has incredible sex with me now as I imagine my evening with
the teen twink fuck sluts.

Linux, FreeBSD, Others? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636843)

Just curious ... the lack of mention of Linux (perhaps I skimmed too quickly) brought something to my attention ...

Why do you think that (it seems) Linux is chosen more often than the other free operating systems? For example, the Germany/IBM/Linux deal, the elementary schools in the Pacific Northwest, etc etc.

Granted, I run *bsd exclusively these days (read: not flamebait/troll/a zealot ... I'm just used to the 'bsd way'), so I am a little curious why Linux gets chosen over them. To me, it seems that a lot of these 'deals' are riding the coattails of the Linux 'fad' that has been going on for a few years.

I'm the first to admit ... *bsd is behind Linux in support for new hardware, a lot of commercial and/or pre-compiled software, but, these can't be the only factors. Is it the licensing?

--m

Re:Linux, FreeBSD, Others? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636847)

Free Dump of Bullshit [sic]. Need I say more.

Re:Linux, FreeBSD, Others? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636871)

to clarify ... i think is a totally cool idea, especially getting the youth into alternative operating systems.

... my mom is a principle of a small (~120) elementary parochial school, so their budget for computing is very small. all of their systems get donated and are a number of years behind (486s, original pentiums, etc).

to help cut down on costs, i am converting their computer lab from w9x to a free unix.

is there any reason i should pick linux instead of another free operating system? web, email, word processing, imaging, spreadsheets, etc, are available on pretty much everything. what makes one better than the other?

--m

Re:Linux, FreeBSD, Others? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636900)

Kids in an elementary school will most ilkely see Windows as an outdated system by the time they finish high school. Besides, once they learn Linux, they will have learned enought that Windows will just be a subset of their knowledge.

Re:Linux, FreeBSD, Others? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636963)

It is a human nature to want to go with a winner. Among free operating systems, Linux is the clear cut winner. It isn't even close. And having lived in Taiwan, it is fair to say that the Taiwanese are a practical people. When you start with Linux as a free operating system, you are automatically stacking the cards in your favor. Now too with Red Flag Linux becoming the official operating system for mainland China and its 1000 million people, the trend in Asia is plainly evident.

Look at what Taiwan produces (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636855)

I have never heard of any large software companies from Taiwan, but I have heard a lot about factories making computer chips. There are no or little loss to Taiwan when it comes to making software free. Doing the same thing in the states will make 100,000s of people have no job, no income. There are no money in free software (what redhat makes is peanuts after all) after all.

The reason I don't use much commercial software is because I'm cheap, nothing else. I belive that is the same reason why people steal movies, music, software, etc. You want it all, but you don't want to pay, yet you want someone to pay you.

Re:Look at what Taiwan produces (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636911)

Thank you for your accurate portrayal of utter cluelessness .

The Key is Drivers! (2, Insightful)

monopole (44023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636862)

As we all know, many of the critical components for computers are produced in Taiwan. If the nation itself shifts toward free software, Taiwanese computer producers will have a considerable interest in producing drivers for free OSes. In paticular, laptops might suddenly become more Linux compliant.

Taiwan Free Software Corporation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636866)

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Before my friend's brother's dog finally died in the hospital, he told me that he has $44M (Forty Four million Dollars) cash in trunk boxes coded and deposited in a security company. This money came as a result of payback contract deal between the dog and the satellite base station firm. He told me that the Security Company is not aware of its contents. That on producing a document which he gave to me, that I will only pay for the demurrage after which the box will be released to me. He further advised me that I should not collect the money without the assistance of a foreigner who will open a local account in his favor or of his company for onward transfer to his nominated overseas account where the money will be invested. This is because as a civil servant I am not supposed to own such money. This will bring many questions in the bank if I go without a foreigner.

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real intentions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636880)

"Chinese free", is this a pun?

Not quite (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636888)

It's an oxymoron.

Re:Not quite (1)

lala (28594) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636939)

Who are you calling a moron ;-)

Effects on the economy (1)

el_flynn (1279) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636922)

There was an interesting post on Kuro5hin that mentioned something about GDP and stuff. The article also mentioned something about huge sums of monies that the Taiwanese will save when leaving out proprietary software from their plans.

I'm interested to see what some of you economists out there have to say about this, regarding what sort of an economic impact it will have on Taiwan, as well as China as a whole.

Taiwan, opensource, and intellectual property (5, Insightful)

poopie (35416) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636927)

I believe this is a good thing and will have positive impact for all of Asia.

Taiwan has a lot of computer-savvy people, and one of the things that is holding back opensource and linux in Asia are the less-than seamless integration of CJK/Unicode character display, input methods, and font rendering for Unix/Linux when compared with Windows.

I know all about the efforts underway to systematically resolve those issues (and wish them well), but you still need to be a UNIX guru and in some cases a programmer, if you want to get a Linux system set up that can support all of the popular asian language input methods and have them be consistent across all apps in all environments.

One thing micros~1 has done exceptionally well is operating system internationalization and providing a common consistent method for display, and changing of IMEs.

If Taiwan can contribute efforts to making linux more multibyte-friendly, it makes linux more accessible and practical to the fastest growing segment of computer users in the world -- who likely can run any software they want for only the cost of a CD from the local software street vendor.

When people who can pirate all the software they want actually *CHOOSE* to run linux, that will be a major turning point for opensource.

I remember the old joke: "you can only sell one copy of any software in Asia" - Imagine if the creative talents of all those crackers/hackers/pirates were focused on creating free software...

Taiwan and free software.; (2, Funny)

Sarin (112173) | more than 12 years ago | (#3636946)

Isn't that a country where you can buy most new software packages in stores for about $1?

You're all fucking next (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636948)

In Reply to: Jay & Silent Bob lick balls - Darth Randal 15:25:37

All you motherfuckers are gonna pay, You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all fucking next.

Love,

Jay and Silent Bob

Free as in Pr0n (-1, Troll)

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Sounds good... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3636962)

Then when all sofware comes from Taiwan and it's free all you wonder-jockeys who gave everything away for free won't be able to find any jobs. Let's try to destroy one of our most successful exporters in the US and support people that want to make the same thing for free so they can throw it back at us and hurt our economy. Oh yeah baby! You're thinking now! Wow, I wish I could be as smart as the Slashdot crowd. Where do I sign up for my lobotomy? The new slogan should be "Slashdot: Ripping things down 'cause we can't create them".
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