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Is China's Control of the Internet Slipping?

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the just-like-star-systems dept.

Censorship 422

Garp writes "According to the BBC news site the Chinese governments grip on the internet is slipping. Ever since they allowed use of the internet, the Chinese have been monitoring the information that has been flowing (jokingly referred to as the great fire-wall of china), in an attempt to ensure 'bad' philosophies don't infect their people. However, the internet is having a much more profound affect, out of the control of the government ..."

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ching chang chong (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651639)

then why can't they stop spamming me with asian porn ads?

I am a member of TITS! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651644)

Are you?

TITS: Trolls In Tandem on Slashdot

UTM forever (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651714)

Fuck TITS. Join the UTM - the only movement that respects the contributions of all trolls equally.

You are a nut. (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651788)

I just joined VULVA, that is the best option for the troll who knows what he wants. Membership makes a great Father's Day gift too!

Re:I am a member of TITS! (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651793)

And TITS go well with a little CLIT!

Re:I am a member of TITS! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651824)

I agree with this post. The AC's are all actually memebers of ANUS.

Re:ching chang chong (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651753)

also, this first post for logged-in trolls and crapflooders sponsored by Minute Maid

Re:ching chang chong (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651802)

Mad pr0pz!

Another hardworking, logged-in troll keeping the prized FP away from filthy AC's!

bravo, Monsieur ! (-1)

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danger danger, Will Robinson! (0, Offtopic)

paradesign (561561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651640)

free thought invading, oh no!!!

No, sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651645)

"Is China's Control of the internet Sliipping?"

There's one "i" in slipping, slugger. Don't worry champ. We all have our bad days.

Re:No, sorry (1)

cyberkreiger (463962) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651689)

Hate to break it to you, but there are actually two "i" in "slipping".

Re:No, sorry (-1)

sjnokker (578073) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651745)

You're a math major aren't you?

Re:No, sorry (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651828)

"Hate to break it to you, but there are actually two "i" in "slipping"."

It is possible that that was a deliberate sliip intended as a pun :-)

Prolly for the better. (2, Insightful)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651646)


I would say that is prolly for the better for everyone, since we will be able to reach more people with more information. Perhaps this will help in the human rights debates that have been rampant in China over the past years.

Re:Prolly for the better. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651803)

Prolly? Probably? Whoever uses the word 'prolly' is probably a 3rd grade dropout.

Re:Prolly for the better. (1)

amevba (539993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651878)

I would say that is prolly for the better for everyone, since we will be able to reach more people with more information. Exactly! Once we lose our freedom(s) due to crazy digital copyright acts and other such legislation (both in US and EU), the Asians will hopefully have been fully liberated and *ta-daa* come to the rescue and demand that the oppression of poor US and EU citizens must stop! Now that would be a victory for freedom and Lucas could maybe then reconsider making the last 3 movies of SW with the republic-turned-bad turned back into good by the rebels!

W00t! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651649)

Mine! first!

Chen Kenichi reigns supreme!

Does this really surprise anyone? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651654)

I thought not.

Fuck you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651658)

Fuck you, you goddamned honkey jap bastard!

Re:F*** you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651686)

Are you confusing Japanese people from Chinese people?

...flamebait :)

Mirror (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651659)

Here is a mirror. [ulta.com]

Re:Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651701)

Well, it took a while but I thought it was funny :)

Re:Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651821)

Mod parent up! funniest post all day

Re:Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651894)

fucking dammit.. enough with the mirror post you flaming fucking homo!!!!

Aww that's too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651661)

Now the population of China will be subjected to the American way of life, destroying thier "innocent" standards.

rob sliips cowboikneal his special egg roll (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651663)

Can you jackasses not get a decent spellchecker?

Re:rob sliips cowboikneal his special egg roll (-1)

OklaKid (552472) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651804)

shutup, typos just ad charactor...

Satellite internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651664)

Is there a way to kill direct uplink satellite Internet access? Other than killing the satellites? This would be a away perhaps for the Chinese to "get out".

I just wonder if anybody has tried... (1, Offtopic)

tulare (244053) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651672)

kill 9 squid

Chinese! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651678)

I like dem pretty chinese girls you always see with pacifers in der mouths and diapers under dem der dress

hopefully (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651682)

I should think (and hope) so. Even with all the fuss about trade being the way to democratic reform in China, free access to the internet is probably one of the few things that will actually work..
Tons of unrestricted information should give the Chinese a chance to bypass the biased/false national news and make up their own minds. and that is probably a good thing.

Re:hopefully (1)

gylle (531234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651872)

Tons of unrestricted information should give the Chinese a chance to bypass the biased/false national news and make up their own minds. and that is probably a good thing.

Yes probably a good thing, as it cannot be bad. But, how successfully have the US citizens succeeded in bypassing their biased national news? And the percentage of Chinese with Internet access will remain tiny in comparison with the US. However, I am confident that all individuals are able to make up their own minds --- with or without unfiltered Internet access.

Ok, now you've /.ed the BEEB? (1)

kalidasa (577403) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651692)

Can't get there from here. That's impressive.

Re:Ok, now you've /.ed the BEEB? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651752)

No, the World Cup - you know, that huge international sporting event that's currently taking place - is /.ing the BBC, not this site.

Re:Ok, now you've /.ed the BEEB? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651760)

Give the poor sod a break, he`s probably American, with his head shoved too far up his own ass to see past the end of US territorial waters, let alone to South Korea ...

Re:Ok, now you've /.ed the BEEB? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651783)

Give the poor sod a break, he's probably just got out of bed and hasn't thought to check the scores yet, a fact you might have thought of if you were able to see past your pointed post-colonial nose.

Re:Ok, now you've /.ed the BEEB? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651832)

Fortunately Google has cached it already, here. [google.com]

Re:Ok, now you've /.ed the BEEB? (1, Redundant)

dalassa (204012) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651885)

ok, Whoever modded this didn't look at the link. Its the cache of goatse.cx.

Thank you, my eyes did not need that before my morning caffiene.

Review of Undercover Brother (-1)

Whistler's Mother (539004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651695)

I beleive undercover brother is one of the greatest movies of our times. Of all the blaxploitation movies I have seen, this one had me laughing from start to finish. I found Denise Richards to be very stimulating as well.
But she is not the real star in the movie, the real star is Eddie Griffin, speaking of Eddie Griffin, he is my choice to play Lando if the original star wars trilogy was re-made. The original Lando, Billy Dee Williams was also in Undercover Brother, just so you know.
Now lets talk about my Star Wars Trilogy remake. I would like comments to flow, since this discussion is far more important.
This is my cast so far
Luke Skywalker - No one yet
Leia Organa - No one yet
Han Solo - Ben Affleck
Vader - Same guy doesnt matter
Obi Wan - Al Pacino (you know with the beard like he looked on Carlito's Way)
Chewbacca - Same guy, I think he is still alive Lando - Eddie Griffin

Re:Review of Undercover Brother (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651849)

Well, if you cast Natalie Portman as Leia Organa then the daughter would look like the mother -- which makes sense. Plus we get more Natalie Nipples that way.

A matter of time (1)

EyesWideOpen (198253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651696)

Despite how well their plan to monitor the internet has gone up until this point, did the Chinese governement really expect to keep certain parts of the internet from a billion people?

Re:A matter of time (3)

gartogg (317481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651827)

And it would have worked too, if it hadn't been for those kids and their dratted technology, I mean dog.

scooby-dooby doooooooooooo!

Irony is the fruit of the gods (-1, Flamebait)

joebp (528430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651698)

Is China's Control of the internet Sliipping?
I think someone slipped writing 'slipping'. Also, I would suggest that the author's grasp of English grammar is yet another thing which appears to be slipping.

Re:Irony is the fruit of the gods (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651706)

Either that, or he's using one of those cordless Logitech keyboards. They're a bitch to type on if you're not used to them.

Re:Irony is the fruit of the gods (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651723)

Hey, if *you* can't read Chinese, don't complain. Be thankful they translated it the best they could for your sorry complaining ass to read.

Intresting thought control method (0)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651702)

Unlike in the US where the government controls the media (e.g. currently its: terrorists are evil and the government should be allowed to do what it wants in the
pretences of stopping it. Basically forcing the media to suck up to the government).

In China it seems that the media is free and the government only controls its distribution (stopping anti government stories).

Re:Intresting thought control method (0, Flamebait)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651733)

what? the government does not control the media at all, dumbass. America is the only country that seems to have this right.

Most people would think that the terrorist attacks were in fact evil and the media is reflecting that. Most people I talk to say we should nuke afganistan anyways, and the media also reflects that sentiment. You must not be from the US, I cant imagine anyone from here would make such an ignorant post.

Re:Intresting thought control method (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651779)

YHBT

Re:Intresting thought control method (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651782)

Nice troll.

Re:Intresting thought control method (1)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651797)

Right let me see if you have heard any of these stories is so then the US media is fair:

Israeli christian solders massacring over 5000 people in Lebanon for a bit of a laugh.

IRA being not very nice people after all.

West owed factory in India has a huge chemical spill and kills or blinds 10,000 people. Eventually the owners find out a week later and send some one to stop the spill.

Latest Israeli massacres.

The government has been spending millions on convincing people of anything from Panama being a evil communist state which wants to be invaded to current Islam
teaches people to kill everyone else.

Re:Intresting thought control method (2, Insightful)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651875)

yeah? what about the USS Cole? or yeah what was that... world trade centers? pentagon? are these all media hype also? I dont think most muslims hate us and I know the media does not portray it that way. I DO think most muslim led COUNTRIES hate us and that is why they fund suicide bombings and such. I couldn't agree more that the american media sucks, but you cant say that it is goverment controlled

Re:Intresting thought control method (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651886)

Israeli christian solders massacring over 5000 people in Lebanon for a bit of a laugh.

Evidence?

IRA being not very nice people after all.

Where were they ever described as being "nice people"?

West owed factory in India has a huge chemical spill and kills or blinds 10,000 people. Eventually the owners find out a week later and send some one to stop the spill.

If you're talking about Bhopal, that was ALL OVER the news. Of course that was probably before you were born.

Latest Israeli massacres.

Which turned out not to exist.

Panama being a evil communist state

Never happened. Panama was invaded and The Pineapple was removed from power, but he was never described as "communist". Again, that was probably before you were born.

current Islam teaches people to kill everyone else.

I guess that big hole in the ground in Manhattan is just a media fake?

Re:Intresting thought control method (3, Interesting)

ekidder (121911) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651766)

One of my favorite quotes, from GURPS Illuminati (unfortunately, a roommate borrowed the book, so no exact references) goes: "Sure, the government lies and the media lies, but in a democracy, they're /different/ lies."

Re:Intresting thought control method (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651768)

Yeah, that's why Bush, the CIA, and the FBI haven't been under scrutiny lately.

Oh, and there's never stories about government corruption, waste, etc.

Re:Intresting thought control method (2, Funny)

nam37 (517083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651770)

I'm sure I'll get "flame-bait" for this, but... You are a complete idiot.

Re:Intresting thought control method (1, Insightful)

sputnik73 (579595) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651772)

You should say "mainstream media" because clearly websites are a form of media and there has been plenty of criticism of the U.S. government's policies as of late. Furthermore, I'm not quite sure you've been keeping up on what the media has been reporting. The Times, Newsweek, MSNBC, FoxNews, and CNN have all been questioning the FBI's knowledge of a possible terrorist attack before 9/11. There is no shortage of pundits in this country who will criticize politicians.
Also, your statement that "In China it seems that the media is free and the government only controls its (sic) distribution" is just stupid. A free media that cannot inform anyone is not a free media at all. And I guess you're not aware of the "People's" Daily newspaper in China which is the official mouthpiece of the Communist government - clearly a form of media which is not "free" and entirely controlled by the government. The Chinese government has long shown that they do not share the same views of freedom that your average American will espouse. I think that this story is indicative of the fact that in this past century technology has made the world a much smaller place. The Internet, hopefully, will force a degree of honesty onto governments around the world and aid the people in removing depostic regimes. I also find it quite offensive that you're trying to defend China by comparing it to the United States government's behavior. You should read up a bit more on how the Chinese government treats her people and realize that not only is your statement out of line but it is also quite insulting to the millions of Chinese people living in oppression - when you downplay their oppression and try to compare it to Americans, you confuse people on the issue. There's a reason people are fleeing China to enter the United States and it's not because the US "controls the media."

Re:Intresting thought control method (4, Insightful)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651884)

I'm Polish and I've lived under communism most of my life. My girlfriend is Chinese I also work with several Chinese who are here in the UK for a few years studying
before going back.

I absolutely agree but the fact that the government stops the people from seeing the bad news makes people want it more. In the US no one wants to know what evil acts
are done on their behalf.

The worst thing of all is some other people in this thread who without thinking will state that the media always tells the trough. There is no point even trying to tell them
otherwise because its all loony talk to them. Lizard men and all that.

Re:Intresting thought control method (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651853)

Unlike in the US where the government controls the media

Sure it does. That's why you're posting this from a death camp.

Idiot.

Widespread changes... (3, Insightful)

ramdac (302865) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651705)

We all know that China's news institutions (government controlled) will soon be ignored. The Chinese government won't always be able to restrict their users from reading information from the BBC, CNN, and other institutions.

China's GOV has to face the music. They can't and won't control what their people see on the internet--at least not forever. As more and more people there use the internet, those people will find ways to express their views.

Re:Widespread changes... (2, Insightful)

squaretorus (459130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651757)

A bit further than this. China probably CAN prevent the viewing of news.bbc.co.uk and cnn.com but they'll NEVER keep up to date the block list for NGOs and other more independent and direct news sources.

As long as there are search engines, email, and word of mouth, those who WANT to read the real story will be able to.

This leaves those majority of the population still sucking in the dross they are fed. At the moment in the UK you can't move for people sucking up to the royal family on the TV. The mass population couldn't give two shits about them and want them gone - but the BBC pays for a big concert, a million people go along to see bands for free, and we're told its a royalist revival!

Enough people just go along with this and decide 'hey - yeah - lets do that! royals! I love them!' because they don't form opinions, they consume them.

Re:Widespread changes... (4, Insightful)

vidarh (309115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651780)

Despite wanting to see monarchy in the UK abolished, I must disagree with you. Countless polls have shown that the people in the UK in general support monarchy and supports the royal family. Large groups of the people may want them gone, but unfortunately not the majority.

Re:Widespread changes... (1)

ryepup (522994) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651838)

uhhh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the monarchy in the UK was just for show, and all the actual governing took place in Parliament with the Prime Minister. I thought the royal family was more just a PR thing for the government.

But then again, I am just a stupid American.

Re:Widespread changes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651892)

Remember, work real hard Englander folk, your royal mooches need more palaces to live in. You've got to give the French credit, they had the brains to lop the heads of their royal mooches off.

Re:Widespread changes... (2)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651899)

This is assuming that there are still independant and direct news sources on the Internet. The Powers that Be, including ICANN and the current crop of news companies, seem dead-set on trying to prevent that. Skyrocketing bandwidth costs, "cybersquatting" accusations, lack of affordable bandwidth for your ordinary citizen, gradual firewalling-off of non-corporate entities to prevent "copyright infringement"....

In case you haven't noticed, its getting harder and harder to run a small site of any sort without resorting to buying space from an established web host. Who can and will cut you off at the first sign of trouble, be it legal or simply "high" bandwidth use due to popularity. Yes, that's right. Do a good job of news reporting and get a lot of visitors, and you'll be slapped with huge fines for your troubles.

Its wonderful when the very companies who are most threatened by the power the Internet gives to the individual control its backbone, isn't it?

The chinese internet (4, Interesting)

Hellkitten (574820) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651713)

Well they let the cat out of the bag and now they can't get it back in. Politicians underestimate the possibilities of the internet, nothing new here.

The interesting idea is that AFAIK China has the largest population on earth, what will happen to the internet once the chinese politicians give up and let them roam free? Even if just a small part is on the net we will begin to see the influence of chinese culture. And what about language? Today english is de dominant language in the internet, but there is an awful lot of chinese speakin people that might get connected. Time for a new language class anyone?

Re:The chinese internet (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651769)

what will happen to the internet once the chinese politicians give up and let them roam free?


probably the same thing that happened when Steve Case gave up and let AOL users use the internet. Except on a larger scale.

Change from the inside (4, Insightful)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651719)

I think it's really interesting that China has spent so much time and effort trying to protect its citizens from ideas from outside without realising that ideas that come from inside are just as dangerous. People who talk to each other cannot be fooled by propaganda, as the article mentions -- a mining disaster which killed 81 people was initially supressed, but when word about it spread on the 'net anyway the official newspapers ended up reporting on it.

The logical conclusion of this is that the much-protested firewall that China has put around itself will be of no help at all in supressing dissent, as long as chat rooms and even e-mail exist.

Re:Change from the inside (1)

3th3rn3t (245106) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651748)

Ah, we see yet another attempt to keep information from the people ? will they succeed ? i doubt it , but it will sure be fun to watch them try.

people have to understand that information cannot be kept free. As long as there is the internet, with chat rooms, email and web pages, people will always learn what they werent supposed to.
Knowledge is power.

Re:Change from the inside (4, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651765)

Exactly.

Presuming that "counter-revolutionary" thoughts always enter from the outside and could be theoretically controlled by a firewall neglects the basic fact that China is filled with enough people on the inside that can think for themselves.

When a rational idea or a truth is communicated, it will resonate all through the inside.

OTOH, China, like the U.S. and Russia, has a great deal of national pride. While the party in power has used that as tool for its own ends, there's nothing preventing a popular movement from incorporating "patriotism" in a way that might be unhealthy for everyone in the long term. Remember some of the causes of WWW 1!

A ceip.org document on the matter (4, Informative)

jukal (523582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651721)

Summary:
In this paper the authors illustrate how two authoritarian regimes, China and Cuba, are maintaining control over the Internet's political impact through different combinations of reactive and proactive strategies. These cases illustrate that, contrary to assumptions, different types of authoritarian regimes may be able to control and profit from the Internet. Examining the experiences of these two countries may help to shed light on other authoritarian regimes' strategies for Internet development, as well as help to develop generalizable conclusions about the impact of the Internet on authoritarian rule.

The whole document is here [ceip.org]

peek-a-booty (1)

bmongar (230600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651729)

Of course it will slip even more when peekabooty [peek-a-booty.org] gets finished and individual sites can't be blocked from a savay user.

Just like mp3 trading... (3, Interesting)

cperciva (102828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651734)

This reinforces a fundamental fact of human behaviour: People generally ignore laws. If there is a policeman standing at their elbow, they'll obey the law, but as soon as the policeman is not obviously present, they'll go back to doing whatever they feel is "right".

When it comes to mp3 trading, usage of illicit drugs, or discussing Chinese politics, there are three simple options in the hands of the government:
1. Allow them,
2. Put police everywhere (think 1984), or
3. Change how people think about such activities (public anti-drinking-and-driving campaigns are a good example of this).

The Great Firewall of China might help the government identify (and eliminate) any rebellious leaders, but it won't stop the spread of ideas and ideals.

Re:Just like mp3 trading... (2)

gclef (96311) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651848)

I would modify that statement slightly: people generally ignore laws that they don't like or understand.

People don't generally ignore the laws against murder, for example. Most people agree that outlawing killing people is a good thing, and they understand why, so folks obey that law. Very few people understand why they must drive $value MPH/KPH, so they usually don't, unless there's a danger that they'll be caught.

You Can Never Truly Filter (5, Informative)

unformed (225214) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651736)

If you have -any- way access an outside machine that is relatively in your control (ie: shell access, which can be bought for a few dollars a month) then you can get by any protection.

Here's an article I wrote not too long ago about how to do it:
- - - -
Breaking Through Any Firewall or Proxy

There's different reasons for breaking through firewalls/proxies.
1) Get completely unfiltered access to the internet.
2) Get unmonitored, or secure, access to the internet.
3) Access services normally disallowed by the firewall.

The article will demonstrate various ways to get by most implementations of firewalls/proxies. In absolutely no way am I responsible if you do anything you're not supposed to, or even supposed to, be doing. If you get caught and fired, tough shit. If you access illegal information, tough shit. If you open up a hole and somebody breaks into your computer, tough shit. I'm not responsible. (This is for the lawsuit-happy bastards out there.)

Anyways, lets begin:

For all methods, it is expected that you have access to a machine on the other side of the firewall, and that it has access to whatever you need.
Your machine will be the CLIENT, and the machine on the other side of the firewall will be the TUNNEL. The accessed machine will be the SERVER.

Furthermore, this article also assumes you a basic knowledge of your browser's configuration, installing software on your CLIENT and TUNNEL machines, and logging in via SSH.

A Linux/Unix box is preferable for the TUNNEL, but not required by any means. The software is freely available for any system.

1) HTTP Tunneling Through SSH
Often, only some ports will be firewalled (80, 21, etc) for caching, filtering, and monitoring purposes. However, they leave direct access available for other ports (25, 23, etc).

If your browser must use a proxy to access the web, but you don't require a proxy to get mail, this is probably the implementation.

If you have direct access to non-popular ports, you can access almost any service as long as you change the port. Generaly, the main purpose of bypassing this firewall is to have unfiltered and/or unmonitored web access. The method can of course be modified to meet your needs.

Install a proxy server (ie: tinyproxy) on the TUNNEL machine. For security purposes, set the listening port to an odd port (ie: 8999, REMOTE_PROXY_PORT) or set access rights to only localhost. Install an SSH (ie: sshd) server on the TUNNEL. For security purposes, set the listening port to an odd port. Do NOT set access rights to only localhost because you'll access the proxy through ssh.

Install an SSH client on the CLIENT machine. Select a random port (LOCAL_PORT) and then set the browser's proxy to localhost:LOCAL_PORT.

Run SSH with LOCAL_PORT forwarded to REMOTE_HOST:REMOTE_PROXY_PORT.
(CLI ssh: ssh -L LOCAL_PORT:REMOTE_HOST:REMOTE_PROXY_HOST -l USERNAME REMOTE_HOST)

Once connected and logged in, if the proxy and the tunnel are working correctly, you've got completely unfiltered web access.

(NB: Using a SOCKS5-compliant proxy would offer an almost completely unfiltered and unmonitored connection, as long as the application supported SOCKS proxies.)

2) SSH Tunneling Through HTTP
Some implementations allow only HTTP access, while blocking all other ports.
Check out Corkscrew at http://www.agroman.net/corkscrew/

Corkscrew is a tool to allow full SSH access through a strict HTTPS session. Then through the SSH access, you can create another tunnel to allow access to all other programs.

Conclusion)
Hopefully this allows some of the people out there to worry a little less about getting caught doing things they're not supposed to. The reason for using SSH in both cases is because it's encrypted. In the event you are caught, at least you're only caught for breaking teh rules, there's nothing additionally criminalizing.

SSH can also be used for a lot more interesting things. Using Windows, you can instal Cygwin, ssh into a *Nix box and tunnel over X connections, and end up working as if you were actually at the machine.

Anyways, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

--unformed

China really has become just like the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651756)

Today patriotism in China means loving the Party and loving Socialism," said one contributor. "You can destroy China's environment, but you can't criticise the Party.


I just loved that quote. Replace China with America, Party with President, and Socialism with Democracy and you have everything we have here.


Yes, I know this is a troll, but considering the state of our country, the quote just cracked me up and I had to share. Feel free to mod me into oblivion.

Who was it who first said... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651761)

"The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

internet censorship (2, Interesting)

Una (122314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651762)

Well, my guess as to why China is having a hard time censoring their citizens viewing, is simply that of manpower.
With how fast content is created and updated on the internet, even with active filtering software, would require a fulltime staff of tens of thousands of people just to find blockable content.

I imagine the Chinese goverment is slacking in their efforts to completely block "objectional" content, just by not throwing enough manpower at it.
Now, I in no way condone censoring any information, but lets get real...
If the chinese goverment wants to control what their citizens think, their going to.

Now, what needs to be done, is some of that new-fangled "electronic warfare". :)
What I mean by that, is for people who care about censorship to setup free speech propoganda websites wherever they can.
There going to have to be diffrent, so the automatic software doesnt automatically filter it.
And its going to need to have real information.

If you care about billions of people being censored, stand up, and do something about it.
If not, sit down, go back to whatever you were doing, and forget that anything ever happened.

Anyways, thats just my take on things.
-Una

How is this different from corporate control? (5, Interesting)

gelfling (6534) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651774)

In the West, about 90% of all internet activity goes through 9 portals which are controlled by a tiny cadre of huge media conglomerates, each run nearly as the singular expression of one person's ego.

We will not be forced into oppression, but seduced by it and ultimately the internet will become a weapon of tyranny.

Re:How is this different from corporate control? (2)

Brian Stretch (5304) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651901)

How is this different from corporate control?

Well, for starters, Ted Turner's Castro News Network can't have you thrown into the gulag for watching Rupert Murdoch's Fox News.

See laogai.org [laogai.org] , etc.

Welcome to life 2.0 (2)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651777)

It will be interesting in the coming years to see how China evolves from their current state. The article talks about a man who was put in jail for a few years (a concrete cell as they describe it) for having a web site with a forum where people were talking about democracy and such. It is really very said, coming from a country which strongly supports people's rights to criticize, to see a person be put away for having a venue for free speech in the real true meaning of the term.

The section about the mine collapse was interesting as well. For those who didn't read the article, there was a mine collapse killing 81 people the "the government" did not want publicized, to the point of threatening journalists. It was released on a web site, and before long, mainstream journalists started picking the story up as well. This is really a revolutionary thing in a country where the press has historically been 100% controlled.

The public being informed is a major step in a country progressing into a "modern free government." Imagine the economic powerhouse they county may be able to transform itself into if more power and rights are given to the people.

-Pete

Ironically... (3, Interesting)

cswiii (11061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651791)

...this BBC article was posted one day after the thirteenth anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

Apparently (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651792)

Timothy's control of his typing is sliipping as well.

blatant plug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651796)

I'd like to get your attention for "Cloudish" (www.vanheusden.com/cloudish [vanheusden.com] ); a distributed anonymizer. Maybe usefull in the china-context?

A Theory of Progression in Government (5, Interesting)

gartogg (317481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651800)

A history teacher I once took some courses from in High School (Military History and US History) subscribed to an interesting theory; The fall of Russian Communism resulted from McDonalds.

The fact that there were McDonalds restaurants in Russia fed the public there the image of how Americans live, and with that as a model, it became increasingly obvious that Communism was failing to fulfill it's mission of Utopia. In 1984, Orwell realized that as long as the government asserted that everything was improving, people would not be too inquisitiveabout the subject. In Russia, this became impossible, and the people lost faith in their government.

In China, it seems as though a similar evolution is occuring; The alter-ego of Soviet Commuism, Chinese Communism, is being exposed to it's antithesis. Russian Communism focused, as I understand, mainly on supression and communitization of materialism, but was then faced with the holy grail of materialism, McDonalds. Chinese Communism, now that they have seen how materialism works, focuses on supression of intellectualism among their masses, and is now faced with intellectualism's holy grail, the internet, which allows the masses to see the intellectual side of Democracy.

Obviously, the Orwellian Prophecy has come partially true in this part of the world.

"Inside an imposing building in Beijing is the Ministry of Information Industry, where a hi-tech police force keeps watch over the internet 24 hours a day. Its job is to keep ordinary Chinese people from accessing unhealthy information. That could be anything from Playboy to the BBC." -BBC News, China Loses Grip on Internet.

"The Misistry of Truth -- Minitrue, in Newspeak -- was startlingly different form any other building in sight. It was an enormous Pyramidal structure of glittering white concrete, soaring up, terrace after terrace, three hundred meters into the air... [it] concerned itself with news, entertainment, education, and the fine arts, [anything from Playboy to the BBC]" -1984, by George Orwell.

The only difference between Oceania and China is an external one, and it is essential. China has no external enemy to pour material into to prevent it's citizen's rising standard of living. Instead, it has Europe, the United States, and many other regions of the world that have accepted democracy and capitalism.

Bad for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651808)

This is bad news, even for Linux, as Microsoft has already mentioned that even if it does not like pirated software it does indeed increase its presence and the reward may in this case come some time later. The potential rewards from China are huge.

internet free china (1)

alexc (37361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651809)

Is it me or does it seem that the internet is Essentailly a new version of the Old Radio Free Europe/ VOA RAdio network?

Maybe it is, (1)

Icepick_ (25751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651818)

But then again, so it you 'I' key.

Sliipping... (2)

Kerg (71582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651823)

Yes, the Chinese administrators are sliipping on the Internet watch.

They maybe able to speell though.

Sliiping? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651835)

What the fuck buddy? Are you trying to imitate a chinese person speaking or something?

I 3 eating out wet pussy

Firewalls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651844)

Pity that the "great firewall of China" doesn't also filter outbound spam from numerous mis-configured proxies and relays, or indeed chinese spam from the numerous spam-gangs that operate there.

China controls the internet? (0)

Peeing Calvin (580935) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651845)

I always wondered why my text would randomly turn into ideograms, and Maoist propaganda started appearing in all of the Websites I visit, like Newsmax and Townhall.com.

It's a good thing China's control is slipping. Now maybe we can return the internet mantle to its rightful owner:

The Swiss.

China's not getting better (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651851)

The rest of the world is getting worse.

Triangle Boy (4, Informative)

maxconfus (522536) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651863)

Triangle Boy is one of the methods Chinese surfers are using to get around the 'Great Fire Wall' of China.
http://www.safeweb.com/tboy_whitepaper.html
Here is the gist of the free program.
Anybody who downloads triangle boy gives the ability to secretly lend his or her Internet address to users behind restricted firewalls. That, in turn, hands such users the electronic keys they need to receive unfettered access to the Web.

P2P news clients? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651866)

The article brought a question to mind: do P2P news clients exist? Decentralized news content strikes me as an ideal way to circumvent government restrictions on the media... but is this implemented anywhere? If not why not?

But will this change China? (1)

cp99 (559733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651873)

I'm a bit skeptical as to whether or not this will change China that much. I travelled through Vietnam a couple of years ago, and the internet was pretty much uncontrolled then (this may have since changed), if locals want to find out about the rest of the world they can.

While I wish it wasn't true, I starting to feel that as long as you give people a chance to improve their lot (which does happen in China) freedom doesn't seem that important.

Plus, if it does ever take off, the government can always launch propaganda floods about the evils of the West (just find a few crime storys), or that fails, there is always the army.

Personally, I feel that freedom will come to China only after a very long time. Reformers will have to penetrate the system (as per the Soviet Union) and reach it's upper levels before change will happen.

just perspective (3, Insightful)

tid242 (540756) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651877)

it's interesting to note that this story is entirely from the perspective of a capitalist & democratic society (oft accused (rightly so) of being run by 'elitest technocrats') on its own moral high-ground of assuming an 'information free' culture already exists in its native province (UK). however, with the case of America, perhaps the most blatantly in-your-face with claims of informational freedom, recent studies have shown that a vast majority of internet traffic is centered upon only a few news carriers (yahoo! MSN AOL), and it is well known that the vast majority of our other physical media is controlled solely by but a few companies (TW/AOL, Disney et al). is _this_ freedom? while individuals everywhere will always have oppertunity to express disfavor with whatever it is they feel like, the internet only provides an expanded environment in which to do so, nothing more. a group of individuals discussing politics in a chat-room are no less subordinate to a hostile government in the end, than are the same individuals sitting in a dining room discussion over supper. the globalisation of information is an inevidable progression the information age must allow, yet this in no way assures the integrity of said information, nor its effect on greater society. i live in a proclaimedly expression-embracing country (USA)but my sources of information are undoubtably shaped by the dearth of non-partial reporting in my media-monopoly. more importantly in either society we still engage in 'majority rule' whether the majority is in a republic or communism the sources of information available to *most* people will still dictate the whims of the country. While i _do_ think that it's absolutely wonderful that the Chinese people are recieving more online liberty it should be remembered that until an enormous percentage of people are online & engaging in news-gathering & discussion government-run news agencies will still have a firm control over public belief (56M out of 1.xxB is not a very large percentage).

sorry this got long (and scatterbrained)

-tid242

ha (1)

mary_will_grow (466638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651882)

"At 0300 the printing presses at The People's Daily are in full flow. The newspaper is the mouthpiece of the Communist Party. Its stock in trade is industrial output figures and the latest Communist Party dogma.

It is not a good read. "

Sounds a lot like The New York Times. Or NBC. Or CNN. Or ABC. Or CBS. Actually you could just flip the words "Communism" and "Democracy" throughout the whole article, and you have a story about the US!

hehe

Is China's control of the Internet sliipping? (1)

hype7 (239530) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651888)

Maybe, but somebody's control of the english language definitely is.

-- james

What a dissapointment... (1)

ComaVN (325750) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651890)

when the chinese finally get uncensored internet, and all they find is hamsterdance, goatse and trolls.
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