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Double Toast (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652929)

For Pr0n Troll Thursday!

Post QUALITY straight shit. I wanna see you guys make Jon Katz go STRAIGHT!

First Linux is Dying (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652930)

!!! SLASHDOT CENSORS STOCK QUOTE TROLL !!!
He tells me he's stuck at -17 karma - after just two days of having an account.

SO...The following information wanted to be free:

Open Sores Movement in the Dumps!
Fortunately for those security concious individuals will soon no longer have to worry about RedHat (RHAT) as it is currently down 0.21. I say this because open sores software has more bugs and problem than closed source. We can only hope it will be de-listed soon. Layoff announcements at U.S. firms fell to the lowest level in a year during last month as companies boosted production and the economic recovery gathered speed. Analysts suggest that a decrease in the number of Linux installations has spured productivity. This news pushed the pro-linux company Caldera International (CALD) down 0.03. The U.S. government is looking into allegations that Sun Microsystems (SUN) has stolen code from Microsoft. This would definitely border on corporate espionage. An annonymous source suggests that Sun Microsystems is run by communists. International Business Machines (IBM) was hit rather hard by news that the number of Linux installations is dropping. A definite sign that Linux is Dying. International Business Machines is currently down 0.79.
Another Good Day for America
Vivendi Universal (V) is up by 0.05 today. Record scores of open sores users who pirate legitimate intellectual properties from Vivendi Universal have been caught and are facing jail time. One only hopes that they are not thrown into the slammer with RMS.

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first pr0n, nigs (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652932)

I suppose my life was fairly good, at eighteen I had a good job, which at that time was a miracle, enough money to keep me in fashion clothes wise, parents who loved me, and boys fawning over me. Having boys and men humming around me like bees was something I liked, not that I always gave them what they wanted, I wasn't that easy you know, but it was flattering to be in such demand. It was cheap too as I never went Dutch, if a man wanted to go out with me he paid for it, sometimes he got a return on his investment, sometimes he didn't, just like the stock market there was always a risk and I knew that I had something they wanted and used it to full advantage, mine of course.

As for my home life I had no complaints there, neither of my parents were overbearing, they were proud of my achievements and always encouraged me in whatever I did. Mum was a social animal, between her clubs and events we rarely saw her in the evenings, but it kept her happy and didn't give her much time to pry into my sexual activities. Her one wish was that I would find a 'nice' man and settle down, but it was not one of my priorities in life so the less time she had to raise the matter the better I liked it. I was actually closer to my father than my mother, at fifty he was still an active and, according to the girls I worked with, an attractive man, naturally I had never looked at him this way.

My father had taken early retirement after a fortuitous win on the pools and spent his time either at golf, gardening or in DIY projects; when he wasn't involved in any of these he'd be curled up with a book. Very early on I had found that it was easier to talk to my father about my problems than to my mother, especially when I became aware of sex, mum would 'um' and 'ah' about the subject whereas dad would give a straight answer if he could, I soon found myself confiding my secrets in him and though he tutted at some of the things I did he always did it with a grin. Maybe we were closer than most fathers and daughters, I don't know, but if I had a problem I at least knew who I could turn to for a sympathetic ear.

One evening I went out with a dishy guy from the office, mum had gone off to one of her clubs before I went out and dad was reading in the living room when I left. The early part of the evening went quite well, the guy took me to a posh restaurant and I had just about decided to let him have me as a reward when the idiot went and blew it. Right there at the table he slipped a hand under the table and tried to get his hand under my skirt, dishy he may have been, but I was not having that, not in public and not without a little preliminary courting first. What had started out as a pleasant evening ended with me slapping him round the face and storming out of the restaurant, the worst part was that I was feeling randy and had actually been looking forward to letting him take me back to his place for some fun. When I got home dad was still in the living room, he looked up as I entered, smiled, frowned then laid his book to one side.

"Want to talk about it Virginia?" he asked.

"Is it that obvious?" I sighed.

"Only to your old Da'." He grinned.

So I sat down and told him about what had happened, he laughed then patted my knee.

"I suppose he was so used to women swooning over him that it never occurred to him that one would say no." Dad laughed.

"If he'd played his cards right," I grinned, "he would have got what he wanted anyway, I'd just made up my mind when he went and spoilt it."

"What a silly boy," dad grinned, "but I can't really blame him you know, you are too pretty for your own good my love, the temptation gets too much sometimes, after all that's all we men are good for isn't it."

"Oh dad," I laughed, "you do have one or two other uses."

After talking with my father I felt a hell of a lot better though no less randy, the prospect of playing with my vibrator did not please me, but it was too late to find another decent date so it looked as though I was left with little choice. It was just after nine and I knew that my mother would be out until one in the morning or even later so at least I could let myself go, I hated having to hold back my cries so that my mother wouldn't hear them, dad just laughed when he heard the noise coming from my room and ribbed me about it later on. With a sigh I got to my feet and headed towards the living room door.

"BZZZZ." Dad laughed.

Poking my tongue out at him I went off to my room, it took me only a few minutes to get undressed, it took longer to decide which of my vibrators to use, but in the end I settled for a ten incher and lay back on my bed to enjoy myself as best I could. It really wasn't my night, I'd played with my large tits, fingered my pussy and was getting a good high from the vibrator when the damned thing died on me, with a little whimper of frustration I grabbed one of the others out of my cupboard only to find that the batteries were dead. Needing to get off I flopped on the bed and dug my fingers into my burning pussy, with fast, almost desperate strokes I tried to make myself climax, but it just wasn't happening, even tweaking my clit did no good and I felt tears of frustration running down my cheeks as I frigged myself desperately.

"OH DAMN!" I cursed pulling my fingers from my pussy, "DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!"

There was a knock at my bedroom door followed by my father's voice asking if I was all right, throwing a robe around myself I called out to him to enter. My pussy felt as though it was on fire as my father stepped into the room, he noted the vibrator I had thrown aside lying near the door and stooped to pick it up. He was wearing a dressing gown and it flapped open a little to reveal his cock hanging between his legs for a moment.

"The modern marvel not doing the job?" he asked laying the thing on my dressing table and adjusting his gown.

"The bloody things broken and the damned batteries have died in all the others!" I said in frustration, "Fuck it!"

"Come on Ginnie," dad said soothingly, "calm down."

"I wish I bloody could." I retorted.

"Listen," dad smiled, "I've just run a bath, you hop into it and relax, I think you need it more than I do."

"Its not a flaming bath I need." I muttered.

Dad must have heard me because he grinned, I squirmed a little on the bed to try and ease the heat of my pussy, my robe flapped apart without me realising it and my father drew in a sharp breath. Oblivious to the fact that I was displaying my body to him I saw him lick his lips then turn his eyes away from me, thinking I had offended him in some way I stood up which made my robe flap around me, but I didn't notice it.

"Dad," I said quietly as I touched his shoulder, "are you all right?"

He turned his head and nodded, his eyes were unusually wide and his breathing seemed a little fast to me, through the burning of my pussy I was concerned that he was coming down with something. His eyes turned away from me again and I heard him take a shuddering breath then sigh.

"Go and have that bath love." He said in a voice that sounded unsteady.

I turned to do as he asked knowing full well that I'd not get any relaxation from anything until I had at least one orgasm, it was then that I noticed that my robe was hanging open and it dawned on me why my father had suddenly started acting so strangely. A sudden thrill of excitement ran through me that brought me near to a climax, it shocked me to think that I could get turned on at the thought that my father had been able to see my naked body, it was an even bigger shock to realise that he had been turned on by what he'd seen. The next moment a pair of hands came under my arms and cupped my tits, I gasped and froze as my father pulled the material of the robe to one side and began to play with my nipples, a moment later he turned me towards the bed and leant me over it. His breathing was harsh in my ear as he tugged my robe up over my back, then his hands were back on my tits and something hard yet soft was pushing at my burning pussy, my pent up orgasm ripped through me as his cock surged into me in one motion, I cried out and shook in his grasp.

"Oh daddy," I gasped in a weak voice, "no!"

Whether he heard me or not didn't seem to make any difference, like a man possessed he began to fuck me with heavy thrusts that literally drove me wild, all thoughts of who was doing me went out of my head as he drove me to another orgasm. I must have been crying out to him to stop, I'm sure I was, but all I was really aware of was the pleasure I was getting from his long hard prick as it slid in and out of my pussy. Explosions of ecstasy hit me like a solid blow, my knees buckled under me, but my father's strong hands at my tits and his cock in my pussy stopped me from falling to the floor. Then I heard him groan and felt him push hard into me, his cock digging deep into my body as a hot glow spread inside me, it was his seed filling me with its heat and I cried out from the sheer bliss it was giving to me; my body shaking uncontrollably against him as he leant over my back making deep sounds in his throat. A few moments later he pulled his prick from my pussy and lowered me down to the bed, twisting my head around I looked up at him, tears of sheer pleasure were streaming down my cheeks, but my father must have thought the tears were for another reason and it snapped him back to himself. His face went deathly pale as he stared down at me, I knew that he could see his juices starting to leak from my pussy as he took a step away from where I lay trembling in post orgasmic bliss.

"Oh Jesus...what have I done!" dad gasped.

With shame and guilt written in his eyes my father turned and ran from the room, I would have followed him immediately, but my legs felt rubbery and I was still shaking like a leaf from the excitement inside me. Maybe if I had followed him that would have been the end of the matter, but as I lay there recovering I was thinking about what had happened. I'd been raped by my own father yet I had enjoyed it so much I'd had more than one orgasm, by God he had fucked me better than most of my recent lovers and he'd been hurrying at that. As I finally managed to sit up I realised that I was getting randy again and the only reason there could be for this was the thought of my father fucking me, it was all that was filling my mind, I felt ashamed of myself for the sudden desire I had for him to fuck me again, but the more I thought about it the more I wanted it to happen.

Getting off the bed I let my robe slip off my shoulders, stark naked I stepped out into the hall and hesitated, I was unsure where my father had gone until I heard sounds coming from my parent's bedroom so I headed that way. The door was open and I could see my father, still in his gown though now it was hanging open as he sat on the edge of the double bed with his face in his hands, whatever he may have been feeling his cock was of a different mind as it lay in his lap looking half erect. Quietly I stepped into the room and closed the door, my father didn't seem to notice my entrance and I stood there for a moment watching him in his remorse. He must have been going over and over what had happened for his shoulders were sagging ever lower, yet at the same time his cock was growing harder, and even as I stood watching it began to stand to attention.

"Dad?" I said softly with desire burning hotly inside me.

"I'm sorry Virginia," he sobbed without raising his face from his hands, "I don't know what the hell came over me."

I don't think he was even aware that his gown was wide open or his cock was erect let alone that I was standing there in the nude, crossing to the bed I knelt in front of him and leant against his legs.

"You must hate me for what I've done." My father sighed.

There was only one way to show him that I didn't hate him at all, at the same time I would satisfy the burning desire in me. Smiling softly to myself I pushed his shoulders until he was lying back on the bed, I stood up and straddled his body before he could realise what was happening. His hands fell to his side as I thrust down on him, taking his whole cock into my pussy in one go, his red, teary eyes went wide and his mouth opened in dismay as I leant forward onto his chest.

"VIRGINIA!" He cried.

"Daddy?" I smiled at him.

I think he was so shocked that he couldn't respond, leaning down I kissed him gently and felt him stiffen then relax, as I sat there with his cock buried deep inside me I felt happy and wildly excited. His cock filled my pussy to stretching point and though I was not moving on him just the feel of him inside me was pushing me towards a climax.

"God Ginnie," dad gasped when I raised my head again, "what are you doing?"

"I'm fucking you" I grinned, "what does it look like I'm doing."

"But..." He gaped at me, "For God's sake, I raped you!"

"Did you?" I sighed as I started to move on his cock, "I thought you were giving me just what I needed and God did I need to be fucked!"

"But..." He tried to speak.

Delicious thrills were running through me as his cock slid in and out of my pussy as I rode him slowly, I knew that in a few minutes I'd be too far gone in my pleasure to think let alone talk so I hurried to explain how I felt.

"I admit" I cut across his words, "that it was a shock at first, but the way you made me feel, God the way you made me feel had me climaxing so hard that I could barely breath. You know what a randy bitch I am, how could I resist what you were doing to me? Dad, when you left me I was so high I couldn't move and while I lay there I was thinking about what you'd done to me, I liked it, hell I loved it and thinking about it was getting me all hot in the pussy again. I don't give a damn whether it's illegal or not, whether it's wrong or not, all I want is for you to fuck me and to keep on fucking me."

I fell silent as my passion rose to such a level that I could no longer concentrate enough to form the words, as I had spoken my father had started to move with me, his cock surging up to meet me as I thrust down on him. Then his hands were on my tits, I felt his fingers teasing my nipples and sending me even more over the top.

"Ginnie," dad breathed, "God help me, but I want you as much as you seem to want me."

"Shut...up...and...fuck...me!" I gasped out just before I screamed my way into an orgasm.

Dad's head twisted down as he took one of my nipples into his mouth, my orgasm intensified and I flopped helplessly on top of him, my body bucking on his as he continued to slide his prick in my pussy. Then I felt myself falling to one side, his weight coming onto me as his cock thrust back into my pussy and continued thrusting in a deliriously slow stroke that drove me totally crazy. I know I was shouting and swearing, though I haven't a clue what I was saying, blast after delicious blast of ecstasy and bliss exploded through me as my father fucked me in a way I had never been fucked before, he ground his body on mine with each thrust, crushing my clit and increasing my pleasure until I thought I would die. As if from a great distance I heard my father cry out, his body bore down on me mercilessly and a sudden burst of heat filled me as he shot his seed deep inside me, but this time my father didn't pull out of me. Instead he began to thrust again, his cock still hard inside me, his breathing harsh and laboured in my ears as he leant his head on my shoulder. I must have deafened him with my cries of enjoyment, but all it seemed to do was make him fuck me faster and harder than before. Once again he crushed me delightfully with his body, his hot seed flooding into me as he came again, then, after a few slow thrusts, he pulled his slowly shrinking prick from my pussy and rolled off me.

God knows how long we lay there, it seemed ages before I could even comprehend what was around me let alone sit up and take note, but at last our bodies recovered and we sat up. I hugged my father to thank him for giving me so much satisfaction.

"We must do this again." I sighed happily.

"Give me half an hour and we will." Dad said quietly.

"Oh no, I didn't mean now!" I gasped looking at him.

Then I laughed as I realised that he was winding me up, he looked as tired and as satisfied as I felt, I knew I would have to return to my own room soon or my mother would catch us together, but I really didn't want to let go of him.

"Did you really mean what you said?" dad asked, "About doing it again that is."

"Whenever you want to." I smiled, "Why do you ask?"

"Oh nothing," dad grinned boyishly, "I was just thinking that I might take you to a restaurant somewhere and shove my hand up your dress under the table."

"If I was in a restaurant with you," I grinned back, "you can be sure I won't be wearing any panties."

A few weeks later my father did take me to a restaurant, one well away from where we lived of course, I wasn't wearing panties and he stuck his hand up my dress under the table, the waiter must have thought I was having a fit when I climaxed as he served the food.

Re:first pr0n, nigs (-1, Offtopic)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653188)

I didn't read this post because it was too long. Please summarize.

Summary: (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653215)

No matter the woman, there's no substitute for a nice hot dick.

You really should read it. SA puts up some of the best pr0n on Slashdot!

HTH. HAND.

Re:first pr0n, nigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653220)

Fantastic! Thank you, sir!

old news? (-1)

Budgreen (561093) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652946)

Was this posted awhile back?

or did I read about another group that did this a few months or so ago?

First Post for WIDEBAND!! (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652949)

Providing coverage for CmderTaco and Klerck!

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Old news (2, Informative)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652950)

This is a VERY old story. Nonetheless, it is still quite amazing that a small town banded together to set up their own dsl server, DSLAM, servers, routers and all. I only wish that my neighborhood had done that. Of course, I am too lazy to organize.

This is a repeat story (0, Informative)

Ryvar (122400) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652953)

This [slashdot.org] has already been submitted, thanks.

--Ryv

Re:This is a repeat story (-1, Flamebait)

feydakin (161035) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653003)

CmdrTaco, there's this great site you should check out.. Lot's of timely info to be found.. www.slashdot.org

Reminds me of (3, Interesting)

Strog (129969) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652964)

There was a small town out in the panhandle of Nebraska that decided they needed good internet to keep all the young people from moving away. They setup DSLAMs out in the country to within a couple miles of every house in the county. They didn't have to fight phone company but they did have to run a lot of fiber.

Re:Reminds me of (2)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653024)

they needed good internet to keep all the young people from moving away

No good internet.

Now I know the reason young'uns have been leaving home since the dawn of time.

Re:Reminds me of (3, Funny)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653193)

It's true... if my girl friend didn't pay the Cable modem bill I think I would leave

Re:Reminds me of (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653207)

Now I know the reason young'uns have been leaving home since the dawn of time.
And now I know how to get rid of the 21 year old still living in my house: Cut off my internet access.

Wasn't this posted last week? (-1, Redundant)

PDXRedcat (29992) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652967)

I could have swore I read this so called news from a slashdot article a few weeks ago.

-m

I bet (0)

Budgreen (561093) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652973)

That satelite still would have been cheaper for them and no i'm not talking about starband/direcpc type home user setup, I mean the buisness setups which are much nore reliable.

What's the big deal ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3652975)

What is the big deal here ? I don't see what is so impressive about this. I am also surprised the phone company would give amateurs access to its facitlities. I hope they vetted these people first to ensure they were not terrorists!

And they're down for the count (5, Informative)

Hatter (3985) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652979)

Slashdotted.

Here's the google cache: linky linky [google.com]

And they're down for the count [+5: Karma whore] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653159)

I think we're smart enough to find the google cache. Ok?

Re:And they're down for the count [+5: Karma whore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653181)

wow, them is some sour fuckin' grapes.

Re:And they're down for the count (5, Insightful)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653179)

Wow. A small group of dedicated individuals fights the Telcoms, wins, and gets their own homebrew DSP ISP up and running.

Slashdot comes along, posts the story, and within seconds they're /.ed into oblivion.

Now isn't that just the nicest way to start off your small CO-OP ISP--a deluge of traffic from marginally interested geeks who'll forget all about you in 48 hours.

Editors et al, are you even considering the impact you have on these sites? You'll forgive me for being cynical, but the reasons [slashdot.org] you give for not caching smacks of "don't want to deal with it" rather than "genuinely concerned about the effect we have". (Wait six hours for breaking news [slashdot.org]? Heaven forfend...)

Slashdot, you're like a bad concert. You come into town unannounced, make downtown completely inaccessible for a day, and leave the next morning without so much as packing out your mess. Take some responsability for the social impact of the Slashdot Effect. Pursue a solution. It is important.

Re:And they're down for the count (2)

Joao (155665) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653254)

Actually, they're not /.ed. It looks like they just blocked all requests refered by slashdot in order to avoid getting /.ed. If you type their URL manually you can still get in.

Why this is cool ... (5, Interesting)

pgrote (68235) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652980)

This *is* cool because it's geeky, but what makes it even cooler is that the people behind the scenes walk you through what they did to make it happen.

In their working against Qwest they had to settle a couple of issues. The include the forms and paperwork they used to make it happen and these can be used as a template.

What pushes this over the cool mode into the must read are the accompanying technical documents. They have network diagrams, monitoring statuses and more. It's amazing.

The best part of their site is a list of other communities have done the same thing.

The site is dynamite and is full of information! One of the best articles I have seen on Slashdot in a long time.

What makes the site unusable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653038)

is the fact that it is slashdotted already. :)

Any group... (1)

fruey (563914) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652982)

...that gets together and shows that they have a commercial or non-commercial project that is viable by the sheer weight of their numbers will win.

Re:Any group... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653094)

"commercial or non-commercial project" ?!

Um...that would be everything then.

Home page (0, Redundant)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652986)

Here's a link to the Ruby Ridge Internet Cooperative Association [rric.net].

Or in plain text: http://www.rric.net/

It gives a lot of details on the setup and such...

Redundancy (0, Redundant)

Provincialist (572648) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653022)

That link was given in the 2.5-line summary, as well as in the original article, and was immediately slashdotted. Why on earth would you think that we needed to see it again?

This is almost as redundant as the 10 posts complaining that this topic has already appeared. Of course, while I'm writing to call attention to this 3 other people probably are as well, so this message is also redundant. Sorry to waste your time!

later,
Jess

BAPA circuits (2)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 11 years ago | (#3652989)

I read somewhere that people were ordering cheap burgler alarm circuits to run their own DSL on. Anyone have stories about doing this?

Re:BAPA circuits (2)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653036)

You might be thinking of the Cringley column on "Roll Your Own DSL". Sorry I am not posting a proper link, but it can be found on pbs.org under Cringly's "old hat" link.

Re:BAPA circuits (1)

Grech (106925) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653243)

The problem with this is that you get burglar alarm circuits. They are they same as voice, but have different rules. If the ILEC finds out you're using them for DSL, they'll just load them, which is perfectly legal (after all, it enhaces the range for voice), but will squash your project flatter than a pancake.

Re:BAPA circuits (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653279)

I think you wanted the parent to this post.

Re:BAPA circuits (2)

swb (14022) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653088)

Only works for sites at the same CO, as its basically a dry copper pair between sites, and AFAIK no dry pairs exist in urban areas between COs.

IIRC the original slashdot story about this was some guy in some small town using DSL as a transport mode between sites; since the whole town was on one CO this wasn't a problem.

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Re:hi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653238)

Nice UNICODE art, dude. Mad props and all.

odd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3652992)

word

No Life... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653006)

You guys need to get a life. If you know when /. repeats a story. Geesh... Go get laid or something.

FUGK (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653009)

Error FW-1 at iss1: Failed to connect to the WWW server.

Grass roots appeal (0)

brad-x (566807) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653015)

Based on my current experience with a few ISP's, I hope the nature of this lends itself to more accessible technical abilities. I think too often communication goes from sales to support to the techs, and often even advanced users feel put upon because the chain of communication breaks down. Keep it for the people!

On another note (4, Funny)

BurpingWeezer (199436) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653027)

Ruby Ranch sets up the DSL, Slashdot effect takes it down...

Re:On another note (3, Funny)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653178)

Well, it's better than "guy installs commonly-used software on consumer device, turns it on, submits to slashdot." This is legitimately cool.

Slashdot on the horizon (5, Funny)

Hornsby (63501) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653039)

Better pen up the cattle boys, I can see a slashdot brewin' up on the horizon.

I suddenly find myself wondering if this is the first barn slashdot has ever taken down...

Coloradoans, unite! (5, Funny)

Chagatai (524580) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653046)

Being a Coloradoan who lives out in the farms, I can totally appreciate what my fellow statesmen did in the mountains. Without a doubt, Qwest is the worst phone company out here, even worse than its predecessor, US West. People out here call it Qworst as they have no continuity or set goals for DSL. Some of my friends in more urban areas complain about DSL being available four blocks north and south of their street, but nothing in their region. I cheer about this development and will try to implement one, pending I get a tornado-proof shed in my backyard.

And for one last dig on Qwest, here's an often-heard Coloradoan joke: What's the difference between Qwest and Enron? About six more months.

Re:Coloradoans, unite! (5, Interesting)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653252)

There actually is something people can do when they don't get DSL, but it's available so close, like a few block away: it's called 802.11b. I was unable to get DSL, but my neighbor who is right across the street was able to get it, so I setup two LinkSys wireless access points (WAP11) at USD$150 a piece, and they paid the upfront costs of the DSL modem and installation (which came out to about the same as the two APs) and we're splitting the monthly costs. Qwest could be making twice as much in this case, but they don't, and they have no plans to offer DSL service to my house anytime soon, so oh well. There are others in the neighborhood who can't get it, so I'm thinking of potentially offering the service to them, for a small monthly fee (maybe $20) because we'd probably have to increase the bandwidth for our service, otherwise I'd probably do it for free.

The moral is that even if YOU can't get DSL, but if someone CLOSE to you can, that's good enough and with a little talking to your neighbors you can be online at high speeds too.

Link to another Ruby Ranch article (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653064)

Do-it-yourself DSL is no pipe dream
http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2002/0408netb uz z.html

So there was no satellite service in their area? (2)

TheAwfulTruth (325623) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653073)

It's even better than DSL on DL speeds. Though maybe more expensive in total for all the houses. But to say they had no choice other than 28.8 is probably a bit of hyperbole...

Re:So there was no satellite service in their area (1)

r00tdenied (540333) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653170)

Ummm not unless you like a lot of latency. DSL is more reliable than satellite also, and its pointless to use satellite access if you are building a COMMUNITY ORIENTATED network.

r00tdenied

Re:So there was no satellite service in their area (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653212)

Latency yes, but all of my cable stations (and all of my neighbors' cable stations) come over satellite.

Satellite mixed with a few good lines would work nicely.

Home Built Fiber Network (5, Interesting)

bahtama (252146) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653074)

I also remember reading about these folks [acc.umu.se] who made their own neighborhood 100 Mbps fiber network. The screenshot of the FTP download speed is just plain silly. The creator of the page even mentions "and 25-40 Mbps is possible most of the time - that means it is their single hard disk limiting the speed!". :)

Re:Home Built Fiber Network (1)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653166)

And as you can see by this diagram, when attempting to talk to the outside world through our respective cable modems, we encounter a phenomenom known locally as "The bottle neck of no hope". And while getting 45Mbps locally is all fine and dandy, you must understand we were able to share everything we have with every one of our neighbors in roughly 15 minutes.

I really hope those guys are gamers, otherwise that network is just massive overkill.

Slow HDD you have (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653192)

25-40 Mbps is 3 - 5 MBps my hdd transfers at between 35 and 40MB per second (in bursts), thats udma 100
udma 30 is about 10MB per-second.

That's assuming your not hitting memory buffers,

I'm glad to see the community has recovered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653085)

That standoff with the ATF (and its eerie similarity to the situation at Waco) hurt this community badly.

Re:I'm glad to see the community has recovered (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653176)

thats ruby ridge, not ruby ranch. I have no idea if they are the same or not.

Draw and Quarter Qwest, I say (1)

pretoris (442079) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653099)

Old news or no, I'm still glad that someone stuck it to Qwest. I live in CO to and I don't know how well their service is in other states under their tyranny, but where I live 10 Miles outside of Colorado Springs you can't get anything from anyone outside of satellite. No isdn, no sat., no cable (*they* can barely deliver a clear picture) no nothing for any price. Qwest hasn't really expanded their DSL network much in about 3-4 years. I think I read somewhere that Qwest was considered the worst local telco in USA... =(

Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (5, Interesting)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653121)

I've said this many times before, why are people in this kind of situation rolling out DSL? Why not just lay down new copper in the form of CAT5?

It's dirt cheap. I've done it. Just look at these pics [he.net] of my neighborhood area network. Currently 10 neighbors share the cost of an internet connection. We also share stuff we've grabbed from kazza, we have a intranet that announces the happenings and events on our street. Very cool stuff. Basically each house has a switch, and we daisy chain houses so we don't run into the 600' Ethernet limit.

I can give a rat's ass about the AUP of my ISP because the question of packet ownership has to be asked. At what point do I own that packet? When I request a document from the web? When it hits my router? When it is on my copper?

People can do this themselves, it's not hard. In a rural area you just replace the AC transformer brick on the switch with a battery/solar panel combo every 600', or you could something that has a bit more distance to it like token ring. Yeah maybe this all sounds silly, but we're doing it out here in silicon valley and it's been working for the last year.

--toq

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (1)

r00tdenied (540333) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653146)

Yes, I agree. However, they do not live in an suburban area. The community is quite spread out and would make regular old CAT5 pointless because of the distance limitations. In rural areas other houses are most likely beyond 600' so even if daisy chained it would not work.

r00tdenied

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653162)

and it certainly looks like shit too.
is any of your setup grounded at all?
of course not. it looks like a disaster
waiting to happen.

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (0, Flamebait)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653258)

I don't know why i'm responding to you, you didn't even bother to use your REAL name. Oh well..

First off, why do you have to be a player hater?
Aside from that, you must be a BIG FUCKING MORON because cat5 doesnt carry shittons of voltage, it doesn't need grounding. What are you worried about lightning? Couple of points here for your unedumacted head.
1. There are TONS of taller structures around the neighborhood for lightning to hit. There are rooftop TV antenna's, Power lines, and street lights to name a few.
2. If lightning did manage to hit it, what's the worst that would happen? A blown switch? Big fucking deal, a $40 dollar netgear switch has to be replace.

I can see why you posted as anonymous coward, you knew you didn't know WTF you were talking about when you made your post.

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653187)

600', I don't think so, 100B-T has a limit of 100m or about 300', with good equipment you might get 150m or about 450' but no way you can get 600' with copper.

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653260)

100B-T has a limit of 100m or about 300', with good equipment you might get 150m or about 450' but no way you can get 600' with copper.

the 100m limit on ethernet is due to the speed of light causing packets to cancel each other out. I don't see how "good equipment" will alter this, unless you're talking about improving the speed of light?

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (3, Interesting)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653206)

You may want to invest in a bit of conduit. The insulation on that CAT 5 ain't gonna last forever. Also squirrels, mice, etc.

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653216)

Maybe because they don't have an internet connection to share? Or maybe the 600' limit IS a problem (you can't rely on everyone keeping their side of the network running, so your solution doesn't work)

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (5, Informative)

Target Drone (546651) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653236)

I've said this many times before, why are people in this kind of situation rolling out DSL? Why not just lay down new copper in the form of CAT5?
Here's the answerfrom their FAQ [rric.net].

Why not simply bury your own cable? In our neighborhood, the ground is full of rocks. This means that many ways of burying cable, such as a vibrating plow blade or a Ditch Witch, are unworkable. Pretty much the only way to bury things is with a backhoe. Backhoe work is expensive. Our neighborhood has many miles of roads, and we would likely have to spend well over a hundred thousand dollars if we were to try to bury new cable in the neighborhood.

Burying new copper under our roads is particularly frustrating to think about, given that the existing phone cables buried by Qwest were overbuilt by a factor of three or more. In other words, some two-thirds of the pairs in the cables are spares right now, spares that would never get used by Qwest for revenue service. Qwest ought to be delighted at the chance of collecting monthly revenue from us for some of these pairs.

Two words: Lightning Protection (2)

sphealey (2855) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653239)

Why not just lay down new copper in the form of CAT5? It's dirt cheap. I've done it. Just look at these pics [he.net] of my neighborhood area network
Just be sure to think through the lightning protection aspect. Nothing like routing 10,000,000 volts right into your house. Gives a new meaning to high-powered router!

sPh

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (1)

CNERD (121095) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653245)

I really dont think that CAT5 is ment for outdoor use without some sort of conduit (look at the pictures and you will see what im talking about).

If any one of your lines snap you could easily short out a cable, disconnect the rest of the neighboorhood, and kill the 2 switches that the line ran inbetween.

Re:Why didn't they just roll out CAT5? (4, Informative)

catfood (40112) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653269)

I've said this many times before, why are people in this kind of situation rolling out DSL? Why not just lay down new copper in the form of CAT5?

One word: right of way.

Oh, that's three words.

But the simple reason you don't just run CAT5 all over town is that the state won't allow it. You could theoretically get permission from the owner of every property the wire crosses, but even then you'd need an easement from the city or township for every crossing of a public street.

This is one of the more important reasons why one has some recourse when the ILEC won't provide a needed service. They've been given unique privileges by the state, and in return have a well-recognized legal obligation to act in the public interest.

Why not Wireless? (2, Interesting)

azaroth42 (458293) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653126)

And why couldn't they do a wireless network? It didn't seem like the houses were too far apart that they couldn't have a directional antenna to beam from one place to the next. Sounds a lot cheaper than the trouble they had to go through.


--Azaroth

Re:Why not Wireless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3653228)

The msnbc article neglects to mention it but this area is/was already covered by wireless for the last two years at least. I know this because I was one of the techies who installed the system. So a lot of the quotes in the article about 28.8 phone service are intentionaly misleading.

Site contents (5, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653127)

About the Coop

The Coop offers DSL service to all homes in the Ruby Ranch neighborhood in Summit County, Colorado.

The Coop was founded in 2001 because no one offered DSL or cable modem Internet access in our neighborhood, and because the voice telephone service to the neighborhood is of such poor quality that it is not possible to get modem connections faster than about 26K bits per second. The Coop is a Colorado nonprofit corporation and is federally tax-exempt under 501(c)(12).
The Coop's History

The Coop has launched service.

By far the biggest challenge faced by the Coop, a challenge that dwarfed any of the Coop's technical and financial challenges, was gaining access to subloops from Qwest under the Telecommunications Act of 1996. (The subloops are needed to connect the DSLAM to the subscriber homes. The buried telephone cable in our neighborhood has some three times as many subloops as are actually needed for voice service, and the subloops we wish to rent are among the hundreds of spare subloops which otherwise would generate no revenue for Qwest.) The course of negotiations was such that the Coop found it necessary to file an informal complaint with the Federal Communications Commission and subsequently found it necessary to pursue arbitration before the Colorado Public Service Commission ("CoPUC"). In the arbitration, the CoPUC found that "all of [the Coop's] proposed equipment is compatible with the Qwest network," and that "Qwest is technically able to accommodate [the Coop's] proposal." The CoPUC found that the Coop is entitled to pay "wholesale" rates for the subloops rather than much higher retail rates. Finally, the CoPUC found that because the Coop will be providing only data services (not voice services) and because the Coop will be offering its services to everyone in its service area, the Coop does not need to be a CoPUC-licensed telephone company. (This is very good news, since being a licensed telephone company would impose prohibitive accounting and record-keeping burdens.) After the CoPUC's arbitration decision there were further negotiations with Qwest, and a signed Interconnect Agreement between the Coop and Qwest has been approved by the CoPUC.

Colorado has a long history... (4, Informative)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653130)

Of cheap internet access. A while ago parts of the community came together to form The colorado internet co-op [coop.net]. In fact, if you look at the network diagram of this group, they use nettrack, which also has a connection to the co-op.

Some of the more prominant Unixers on the co-op board are Trent Hein, and Evi Nemeth (two of the authors of the USAH) was also involved. The CO-OP has played a nice part in keeping colorado up and wired.

The cost of a slashdotting (3, Funny)

datastew (529152) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653153)

From the faq What are you recurring costs? [rric.net]
The Coop pays for its data traffic on the T1 data line. This cost could be anywhere from $75 per month to about $450 per month, depending on traffic levels. After some months in service we will have a better sense of what this cost is turning out to be.

Does anyone know whether that "about $450 per month" is the maximum charge? I guess they are about to find out. Sometimes I feel sorry for the slashdotted victims.

Thrazzle Throne?? (2, Funny)

TheNecromancer (179644) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653157)

Hmm, he must be a Qwest rep to post this story with a link to the cooperative's site. Easiest and fastest way to get back at those pesky consumers: Slashdot their new service!

I hope that site isn't hosted on-location... (2)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653183)

If it is, 12 poor DSL subscribers have likely lost their connection for a few hours... I wonder if they even know that they are victims of the Slashdot Effect?

A side note... (2)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653213)

The department I work in is trying to put a bunch of "local level" government offices on the Internet. We need broadband speed connections from their offices to our data center. Getting some type of broadband installed in many of these places is absolutely horrible.

In many of these places, there is just no way to send a 50MB file once a day in a cost effective manor. We just had Iowa telecom decide not to offer flat rate ISDN to us because it would be to expensive for them. This was when we called them a week after the promised install date to see why it wasn't installed! It took us MONTHS to get to this point. Would have been nice if they had a couple months ago (before quoting us a price and delivery time) told us they wouldn't do it. We have promised our customer a price and delivery date (which is now well passed.) Iowa Telecom (or whatever their name is) has now offered us a price for ISDN which is more than our promised total price to the customer.

It is hard to believe phone companies can get away with this type of service, or lack thereof. We have now starting selling the service with a bring your own internet access spin. We have missed deadline after deadline due to the fact we cannot get tcp/ip access to these offices at reasonable prices, at the delivery time we are told. We are a "full service" provider, but there is no way we can deal with this crap. I'm sure we are not alone.

-Pete

This is wonderful! (4, Interesting)

uncoveror (570620) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653233)

A co-op for DSL! I love it. This reminds me of the Community Antenna Television co-ops that created cable TV. Too bad corporations turned that into a money grab scam. I used to get my electricity from a co-op before I moved, and service was cheaper and more reliable than from those crooks at Cinergy. If the co-op turned a profit, I got a profit sharing check at the end of the year. Someone has proven that neccesity is the mother of invention, not just the potential to get filthy rich. I wish all utilities were available from co-ops and not corporate robber barons who gouge me.

Nice! (0, Redundant)

kylus (149953) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653256)

I recalled this being mentioned [slashdot.org] on /. before. Glad to see that they were finally able to realize their goal! Now they can get the ultimate stress-test: a slashdotting :)

i guess the server is on DSL as well (2)

krs-one (470715) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653261)

I guess the server is on their DSL line as well beacuse its been a Slashdotted.

-Vic

For more links & comments on this story... (1)

0x69 (580798) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653274)

You can find a bunch more links & comments on this story here [slashdot.org]. Oops.

Bizarre Metaphor (5, Funny)

snicker (7648) | more than 11 years ago | (#3653281)

Could someone explain to me what this quote means?
If you throw a dart at a map of the United States, much of the nation can't access broadband even if they wanted to.
I was following the story pretty well up until that point.
*nick
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