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The Perfect Store: Inside Ebay

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the been-burned-and-been-pleased dept.

The Almighty Buck 194

Peter Wayner passed us this review of Adam Cohen's The Perfect Store, a chronicle of the rise of Ebay. Read on to learn more about the people and ideas behind the dominant online auction site.

According to the tale, an atheist traveled to Rome to check out the Catholic Church, and saw, through some odd gift of divine grace, that the Devil himself was sitting at on the throne of St. Peter and ruling the Church disguised as a Pope. The atheist reflected upon the paradox and then became a devout Roman Catholic. Why? He reasoned that only the one true faith could succeed with the Devil himself in charge.

Leaps of faith take many forms, and none were stranger to the world of the 1990's than the possibility that people might buy objects they've never touched from people they've never met and send money to addresses they've never seen on the basis of a bunch of colored stars summarizing a community's collective opinion. Yet that's eBay -- and now anyone curious about the communion of online buyers and sellers can turn to The Perfect Store by Adam Cohen. The new history chronicles the purity of the founder's vision, the tumultuousness of exponential growth, the tremors of bliss rippling down the spines of the auction winners, the purgatory of crashing servers, the saintly trust of the masses, and the deviltry of the few. Through all of these trials and tests, the company prospered with a steadfast devotion to a libertarian's dream of a frictionless marketplace where buyers and sellers could engage in a conversation to discover the one true price.

The book is sort of a hagiography, although focused more on the marketplace community than the corporate leadership. Almost every twist and turn of the company's history seems to depend upon how well the people adhere to the vision of a hierarchy-free community of buyers and sellers. The company thrives when they make it easy for goods to find the people who want them.

The book begins where eBay itself began: in the vision of the founder, Pierre Omidyar. The book follows him and then the people who join the company by laying out a largely chronological collection of important milestones, interrupted every now and then with a tale of some quirky eBay member. The author, Adam Cohen, may not speak with the earnest voice of a true believer, but he is largely happy to describe the decisions with devotion and reverence. This shouldn't be surprising because he worked closely with everyone at eBay and even had his own company ID badge and work space in the office building. He obviously spoke often to the core team and the history is filled with their words.

But the book isn't a dump truck filled with happy stories. The book manages to include almost all of the major controversies that I, a casual eBay user and fan, remember. There's a long discussion about the decision to ban guns and plenty of talk about the right way to handle pornography and used underwear. Cohen also interviewed a number of the disenchanted members who developed a love/hate relationship with the marketplace run by one corporation. They keep talking about quitting or protesting or going somewhere else when eBay keeps jacking up the rates, but every time the market dominance of the company keeps pulling them back in.

The later half of the book is largely filled with these controversies, in part because there are only so many ways you can keep repeating details about the company's phenomenal growth. The viral explosion of new listings was the story at the beginning, but after the IPO cemented the success, the management had to wrestle with the bits of evil that would drift into the network.

Most of the coverage of these battles is straight-forward and carried by a flat tone typical of journalistic distance. The analysis and criticism are largely left for the reader to assemble, although the parts aren't hard to find. For instance, we learn early that Omidyar's experience in the 1980's with the fat cat-friendly IPO market inspired him to create a neutral marketplace where all buyers and sellers were equals. He apparently tried to buy into an IPO only to discover that skinny cats didn't get to buy at the issuing price. Back then, Omidyar was a skinny cat.

But when it comes time for eBay's IPO, the people on the company's throne skipped the chance for an eBay-like OpenIPO. Goldman Sachs got the opportunity to pick an opening price for the stock, and the investment bankers managed to find a number that left a lion's share for the usual fat cats.

At the time, Omidyar, the other members of the management team (Jeff Skoll and Meg Whitman) and Benchmark Capital controlled a stunning 98.1% of the stock. They quickly became billionaires. Many of the workers made a few million of that 1.9% divided among the rest, but everyone else was left out. The thousands of people who worked the bulletin boards, and help create a cohesive community ruled by colored stars got nothing. This continues to be a bitter point for many involved with eBay from the beginning. Money weaves a strange path in and out of the narrative. On one hand, marketplaces are all about price discovery. The only reason to list an item on eBay is to get money. On the other, the book gives the impression that it's kind of crass to be into eBay for the money. The eBay folks are supposed to be passionate believers in this community ruled by colored stars. It's all about community, we're told. But I guess if you can't get IPO shares, that's what you have to live with.

The book may be best as a sly bit of exploratory surgery aimed at the strange desires in our body that drive commerce and trade. Some of the vignettes of eBay members are priceless and the stories about the effect of eBay on the market for collectables are not to be missed. Before eBay, the members of the Midwest Sad Irons Collectors spent hours at garage sales and antique stores looking for what many of us might call a rusting hunk of metal. There were even conventions populated by dealers helping people find what they wanted. All of the socializing and chatting intertwined in the weekend swapmeets became history when eBay made it possible for anyone to get what they want by plopping down big bids. There's no need to go to wade through church yards filled with schlock to find the grail of sad iron collectors, the swan-on-swan. Someone else is doing it right now... and all you need to do is grep the database. If you're lucky, there's no reserve!

At moments like these, the essential paradox of eBay becomes clear. On one hand, we're really after the stuff. We want the Pez dispenser, the Hair Bear bunch poster or the Elvis jacket. Do you realize how hard it is to find one just like that?

On the other hand, anyone with a bank account can buy any collectable now. There are dozens of every collectable waiting for buyers on eBay. Purity of heart, steadfast devotion to the goal, or indefatigable energy won't help you find the Grail when it's just a matter of typing the right number into a web form. There's no real scarcity anymore if you've got the right credit card. Which brings the question: if the items aren't really scarce, why would we want them?

The real problem is that eBay strips away the narrative from the objects. Flea markets, classified ads, and garage sales toss in stories for free and this is what the dinner guests, the friends, and the collecting buddies really want. They want to hear about the clueless, the loopy, the obnoxious, the greedy, the windbags, the ditzes, and all of the other characters buying and selling sad irons.

Adam Cohen's history, The Perfect Store, is a crisp, clean, and thorough retelling of what made eBay what it is today. It's a good story and you can't just buy those. Wait, I guess you can -- and the publisher is willing to print as many as the market will bear. Well, there's another paradox: Maybe, if eBay can survive with this many strange, wonderful and bitter stories, it may be the one true thing after all.


Peter Wayner is the author of Translucent Databases , a book commodifying the protection paradox. It describes how to build databases that reveal nothing to the wrong people, but everything to the right people. You can purchase The Perfect Store from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to submit yours, read the book review guidelines, then hit the submission page.

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LNUX DEATH WATCH (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659587)

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Don't read past this part. I assure you, it's all shit.

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cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659601)

I agree with this post. But why are you reading this?

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The Smurfs: Socialist Propaganda (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659615)

I like most of my generation grew up watching the Smurfs. I loved them so much that I tuned in every Saturday morning to see what crazy hijinks those lovable little blue creatures would get up to.

It is just now that I have realized what I was really tuning into each and every Saturday morning was in actuality Socialist Propaganda!! Yes that is correct, Papa Smurf and all of his little Smurf minions are not the happy little characters Hanna Barbara would have us believe! The cartoon was really created by the Russian government in order to indoctrinate the youngest members of western society with Socialist beliefs and ideals thus destroying their resistance to the imminent Russian invasion that was to occur when this generation (my generation) grew up.

To prove my point I submit that 1.) They live in a communal village and are discouraged to leave the village without the company of their fellow Smurfs. 2.) Every Smurf has his own specific job and does not deviate from that job. The job even becomes part of their personality and their name (Brainy Smurf, Handy Smurf, etc.) 3.) If ever a Smurf decides to strike out on his own he is cast into danger in some way of another and it is up to the collective to save him. 4.) Papa Smurf looks an awful lot like Karl Marx plus, he wears all that red.

And let us not forget Smurfette, the lone female Smurf and the embodiment of community property.

In the face of such convincing evidence, it is easy to mark the Smurfs as the Socialists they are, and their nemeses Gargamel (and his maladjusted cat Azrael, a not so subtle attack on ISRAEL) is the personification of Capitalism; out for himself and profit trying to destroy the peaceful commune of Smurfs.

Thankfully our resistance was not destroyed, thanks to the determination of other cartoons such as G.I. Joe and Richie Rich who's goal it was to instill in the children of the western world the morals and values of Capitalism.

Re:The Smurfs: Socialist Propaganda (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659651)

founder of the CLIT? UID 550878? you've gotta be shitting me.

what, did you name it or something?

Re:The Smurfs: Socialist Propaganda (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659669)

Yes, I acknowledge the past contributions of logged-in trolls of the past. The CLIT was founded to organize them under one name. So far the ranks are still swelling! Care to join?

Re:The Smurfs: Socialist Propaganda (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659712)

do i want to "join"? did i miss something else here? look upwards a couple of lines, i'm logged in man

Re:The Smurfs: Socialist Propaganda (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659742)

Well yeah, in fact, you are, but not yet in name :) I recognize official CLIT members by my Fans list.

If you do not wish to become a fan, that's ok. We all recognize your contributions to the trolling community.

The CLIT is gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659905)

join the UTM you homos

Re:The CLIT is gay (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659939)

Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard
v 02.00

Table of Contents
1. Overview
2. DHCP
3. DNS
4. IP Address Support
5. Suggest IP Address (Autonet)
6. NetWare Support
a. Supported Versions
b. NDS Multiple Tree Support
c. NetWare 5 Support
d. No Novell Print Path
e. No NDS volumes
f. Support for NDS localities
7. Device Discovery
a. Gateway
b. Multi-homed Machines
c. 0.0.0.0 IP Addresses
d. Class A Subnet Masks
8. Driver Support
a. License Acceptance
b. Have Disk Support
c. HP Driver Updates
9. IPX Port Monitor and Data Corruption
10. Printer Names
11. Printer Share Name
12. Error Messages
13. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows 95/98
14. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows NT 4.0

1. Overview
This Read Me file contains last-minute product information for the Hewlett-Packard
Install Network Printer wizard for Windows 95/ 98 and Windows NT.

2. DHCP
If you try to change just the subnet mask on an HP JetDirect print server that has
been configured via DHCP, you will get an error message while using the Hewlett-Packard
Install Network Printer wizard. Once a JetDirect print server has been manually
configured, it will store the IP address, subnet mask and default gateway statically
instead of trying to obtain them dynamically. Allowing a static change only to the
subnet mask would cause DHCP-configured IP conflicts in the future. For more information
on this subject, see the HP JetDirect documentation.

3. DNS
In a DNS environment, the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard will
automatically set up the port with the host name rather than the IP address. If you have
a DNS environment that allows Host lookup by IP, but not the reverse lookup, the printer
will never print a page. We consider this environment to be an invalid DNS environment.
To fix the port without changing the DNS environment, view Properties for the printer.
Select the ports tab. Select the port that is in use for that printer. Click Configure
Port. Change the host name to the correct IP address.

4. IP Address Support
Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard do not support class D IP address. Class D IP
addresses are those addresses with the form of 224.xx.yy.zz

All addresses of the form 127.xx.yy.zz are reserved for loopback testing. They are not valid IP
to be used to configure device on the network.

5. Suggest IP Address (Autonet)
The algorithm for obtaining the IP address for the "Suggest Settings..." button is
derived from the Internet Draft DHC-IPV4-AUTOCONFIG by R. Troll entitled "Automatically
Choosing an IP Address in an Ad-Hoc IPv4 Network". The algorithm for generating the IP
address is to randomly generate an address in the 169.254.x.x reserved address range,
then determine if it is in use on the network. If it is in use, generate another address
in the range. Repeat until an address is generated that is not in use. The resulting
address is not intended for use on the Internet. Microsoft uses a similar scheme for
determining an IP address on Windows 98 and Windows 2000 when the system is in an environment
that doesn't have a DHCP or bootp server, and the system is configured to dynamically
determine and IP address.

6. NetWare Support
a. Supported Versions
The supported versions of NetWare are: 3.11, 3.12, 3.2, 4.11, 4.2. For Novell
queue creation, you must be logged into a Novell bindery or NDS server using a Novell
supplied client requester. See www.novell.com for client updates.
b. NDS Multiple Tree Support
The Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard only provides support for the NDS
tree the user is currently logged into. If a different tree is desired you must quit
the application, change your login to the desired tree and rerun the application.
c. NetWare 5.0 Support
If NetWare 5 is configured for IPX, and an IPX connection is being used on the client,
the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard can be used to create an NDS print
queue. If NetWare 5 is configured for TCP/IP and a TCP/IP connection is being used on
the client, the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard can be used to create
an IP print path. If the client on which the application is being run has an IPX
connection to the NetWare 5 server, and the client is logged in, an NDS queue server
print path will be recommended. If IPX is not in use but TCP/IP is, a TCP/IP print
path will be recommended. In order to create NDS queues, an IPX connection with a
login must be present.
d. No Novell Print Path
The Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard relies upon several DLLs that ship
with the Novell Client for 95 and NT. The application will look for these DLLs and
the associated entry points within them. If any of the necessary DLLs are missing,
or if they do not have the needed entry points (perhaps an old version), a Novell
print path will not be available although other supported print paths will be. If a
Novell print path is not available when you think one should be, try upgrading your
Novell client software to a newer version.

e. No NDS volumes shown in NetWare 4.11
There is a known problem reading the list of available NDS volumes in NetWare 4.11 with
service pack prior to version 7. This problem has been seen in cases were the user
logs into an NDS context that is at a lower level than the available volumes. The solution
is to install the NetWare 4 Support Pack 7 or upgrade to NetWare 4.2.

f. Support for NDS localities
The Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard cannot recognize localities in the
NDS context.

7. Device Discovery
a. Gateway
Discovery performance will be very slow if your client PC does not have a gateway
configured. To configure a gateway, choose "Network" in the Control Panel, and then
look at Properties for the TCP/IP protocol. An input should appear for entering a
gateway address. See the online help for a more information on TCP/IP and gateways.
b. Multi-homed Machines
Multi-homed machines are not supported. In a multi-homed machine, it is not possible
to distinguish between multiple devices with the same IP address. A multi-homed
machine is a computer with more than one network connection. It is possible for two
or more devices on different networks to have the same IP address. A multi-homed
machine would see both devices and there would be no guarantee that you are
configuring the correct device. In this case, either disable all but the correct
network card, or configure the HP JetDirect print server from another PC that is on
the correct network and has only one network card. This problem may also occur on
PCs that contains both a network card and a dial-up adapter.
c. 0.0.0.0 IP Addresses
Assuming that an IP address is not assigned, a JetDirect-connected printer will have
an IP address of "0.0.0.0" for approximately 2 minutes after a factory reset. After
2 minutes the IP address will automatically be assigned "192.0.0.192". Attempts to
configure a "0.0.0.0" device through an IP print path will fail. You must wait until
the HP JetDirect device has a non-zero IP address before attempting to configure it.
d. Class A Subnet Masks
If the machine running the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard has an IP
subnet mask of "255.0.0.0" (which is known as a "Class A" subnet mask), device
discovery will suffer a significant performance degradation. To improve discovery
performance you must change your subnet mask to a non-Class A subnet mask.

8. Driver Support
a. License Support
Some drivers require the acceptance of a license. When installing a driver, if a
dialog appears that requests acceptance of a license, you must approve the license
before the application will continue. Failure to approve the license will result in
the application hanging.
b. Have Disk Support
To support new printers or drivers, the "Have Disk" button can be utilized during
driver installation. For the "Have Disk" functionality to work, the media must
contain an "inf" file (e.g. filename.inf). Some driver updates available on the
World Wide Web are in the form of self-extracting archives and are not in a format
that "Have Disk" can utilize. In this case, install the driver before running the
Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard.
c. HP Driver Updates
Hewlett-Packard driver updates can be found on the World Wide Web at:
www.hp.com/go/support
NOTE: This URL is subject to change.

9. IPX Port Monitor and Data Corruption
Some printers may experience data corruption when used with the Hewlett-Packard IPX
Port monitor under Windows NT. These errors may be corrected either by installing an
appropriate hot fix for NT or by installing Service Pack 4 from Microsoft.

10. Printer Names
When naming a printer within the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard you
must enter a name in English that conforms to the Microsoft Printer Naming rules
(i.e. what would be accepted in the Microsoft Add Printer wizard). If a localized name
is required, assign the printer name in English and finish the install. Then open the
printer folder from the Control Panel and select the desired printer. Select "Rename"
from the File menu and rename the printer with a localized name.

11. Printer Share Name
Spaces are not allowed for naming printer shared name.

12. Error Messages
Error writing to for : The system cannot write to the specified file.

This error message may appear when attempting to print a test page or during regular
use. It usually means the printer is out of paper or unavailable. Check the printer
and make sure it is plugged in, has paper, etc. If you were running the Hewlett-Packard
Install Network Printer wizard when this occurred, there is no need to rerun the
application. Simply locate the printer in the printer folder and right mouse click on
it. Choose "Properties" and select to print a test page. If you have corrected the
error condition, a test page should now print.

Driver cannot install. Must run printer's setup program.

When installing certain HP printers (see tables below under #11 and #12), the Hewlett-Packard
Install Network Printer wizard may not be able to install the driver. You will receive an
error message stating that you need to run the printer's setup program. The Hewlett-Packard
Install Network Printer wizard may create the printer in the printer's folder despite this error.
The installed printer will not function properly. After the wizard exits, run the setup
program that comes with the printer. You may have to identify the printer as existing on a
local port such as LPT1. Install the printer using this setup program. Now delete both
printers from the printer folder (the printer created by the HP wizard and the printer created
by the printer's setup program). Run the HP wizard a second time. This time choose existing
drivers. You will see two similar printer strings. One will be from the first HP wizard
install and one from the printer's setup install. Choose one. If the wizard exists
successfully you chose the proper driver. If the installation fails, rerun the wizard and
this time choose the other driver. Finally, check to make sure the printer created is the
default printer. This can be accomplished by right mouse clicking on the printer in the
printer's folder and seeing if "Set As Default" is checked.

13. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows 95/98
Some HP printer drivers do not install correctly using the printer .INF file and the
"Have Disk..." option. These drivers and the behaviors that they exhibit are listed
below, along with directions to install these drivers properly.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 8100
Behavior: PCL 6 driver will not install. The user will receive a "Spool 32" error.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 6 driver.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 8000
Behavior: PCL 6 driver will not install. The user will receive a "Spool 32" error.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 6 driver.

Printer Model: HP Mopier 320
Behavior: PCL 6 driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them
to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer
installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 6 driver.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 4050
Behavior: PCL 5e driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them
to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer
installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 5e driver.

Printer Model: HP Color LaserJet 4500
Behavior: Postscript driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling
them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the
printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the Postscript
driver.

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 2500C
Behavior: The DeskJet 2500C driver will not install. The user will receive an error message
telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run
the printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 5M
Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: PCL Standard, PCL Enhanced,
Postscript. The user will receive an error message telling them to run the setup
program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer installer again.
Solution:
The drivers for the HP LaserJet 5M can not be installed with the "Install Network
Printer Wizard." Please use JetAdmin or Web JetAdmin to install this printer and drivers.

Printer Model: HP Color LaserJet
Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: HP Color LaserJet, HP Color LaserJet
5/5M (CLJ5FR), HP Color LaserJet 5/5M (HP). The user will receive an error message
telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run
the printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

Printer Model: HP Color LaserJet 5
Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: HP Color LaserJet, HP Color LaserJet
5/5M (CLJ5FR), HP Color LaserJet 5/5M (HP), HP Color LaserJet 5/5M Postscript. The
user will receive an error message telling them to run the setup program that came
with this printer, and then to run the printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 6P
Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: PCL Standard, PCL Enhanced,
Postscript. The user will receive an error message telling them to run the setup
program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 6L
Behavior: The PCL Standard will not install properly. The user will receive an error message
telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run
the printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

Printer Model: HP OfficeJet Pro 1170C
Behavior: The OfficeJet Pro 1170C driver will not install properly. The user will receive an
error message telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and
then to run the printer installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 1120
Behavior: There is a port monitor error right after installing the printer. The printer supplied
driver is not supported
Solution:
1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.
2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

14. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows NT 4.0
Some HP printer drivers do not install correctly using the printer .INF file and the "Have Disk..." option. These drivers and the behaviors that they exhibit are listed below, along with directions to install these drivers properly.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 8100
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL 6 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 5000
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL 5 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 4050
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL 5 and PCL 6
client drivers.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 2100
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL and Poscript
client drivers.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 6L
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 Postcript client
driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 5P
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 Postcript client
driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 5L
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 Postcript client
driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 5
Behavior: Driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them to run
the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer installer
again.
Solution:
1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

Printer Model: HP LaserJet 5Si Mopier
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 895C
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 890
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 870
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
manually

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 2000C
Behavior: Driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them
to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer
installer again.
Solution:
1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

Printer Model: HP DeskJet 2500C
Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
Solution:
1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
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Printer Model: HP OfficeJet Pro 1170C
Behavior: No inf file that describe printer drivers.
Solution:
1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

Printer Model: HP CopyJet
Behavior: No inf file that describe printer drivers.
Solution:
1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

Copyright 1999 Hewlett-Packard Co. All Rights Reserved.

Re:The Smurfs: Socialist Propaganda (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659860)

PENIS PENIS PENIS! The more I think about my own penis, the angrier I get. You see, it's not the size that's the problem (it's a solid six +- an inch depending upon the size of your mom's boobs), it's the foul substance that comes out of it. I hate that shit. Why does semen have to be so gross? It's like fucking web-fluid. And in this post 9/11 world, I just can't understand why anyone would watch fucking douchebag Star Wars. I mean, my penis isn't a light saber - it's a web fluid gun. I can't identify with Mace Windu because he has a really big light saber and I am white. Fuck you! You're white too! Don't judge! We all know that Slashdot appeals to white males who can't get pussy. Well, I can get pussy but I have to pay for it. Anyway, sometimes when I fuck my border collie, I think to myself, "Is bestiality cool? I wonder...is bestiality cool?" The answer that comes up in my mind again and again is YES! A million times YES!!! They evacuated the pooper today. Apparently someone took a dump in there that smelled really bad. See you guys later!

Hi there (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659616)

Hi. I really don't give a spinning shit about this book, but I still hope the author has a really nice day and sells loads of copies to losers. Thanks for paying attention.

Inside my Ass (-1, Offtopic)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659623)

The Perfect Anus. The heartwarming insiders look at my rectum, as told by proctologist Dr. Seymour Butts.

The book is on preorder with thinkgeek. Doesn't everyone love these stupid sales pitches^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hreviews?

Re:Inside my Ass (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659729)

whatever asslick modded this - how is this anymore off-topic than the whole freaking review? (other than the fact that I have not gotten my book published - you'd think the fruits at thinkgeek would be more interested in books about ass) I guess if I pay the slashwhores enough cash to pay for cowboikneels sex change and get some anti-biotics for jamie's crotchrot then they will review whatever crap book some tool puts out.

Re:Inside my Ass (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659803)

Thank you, for the hard-hitting, insightful look into your rectum [goatse.cx] .

I'm sure the /. crowd will snap up thousands of copies.

He's named like my name! (1, Funny)

jaredbpd (144090) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659624)

So they named their book to sound like "The Perfect Storm." I wonder how many extra copies they're going to sell as a result of people with speech impediments trying to order that 'other' book?

The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659633)

9 posts so far and they're all trolls. This thread belongs to us!

Now butter me up 'cause I'm ready for a long hard one.

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659650)

all your thread are belong to us. I guess the rest of the morons are actually reading the sales pitch^H^H^H^H^Hreview before posting. fags

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659661)

Hideous fagly bastard-fuck hippies.

How are you anyway? I hope you're well.

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659701)

this has the looks of a fine, fine article. Almost no signal coming through the noise - and really what could one actually say about this story? It is just another damn paid pitch by the slashwhore crew. This probably made them enough money for a visit to the clinic and bottle of Jager.

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659780)

...and to pay for an underage male prostitute on the way back.

Please note: the slashdot crew are homosexual paedophiles.

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659993)

Duly noted.

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659681)

Gosh! I Just Love My New "r00t" Shirt From Thinkgeek! And I Can't Stop Drinking All Those Caffeinated Goodies Like Bawls, Red Bull, And The Entire Jolt Cola Line! As Soon As This Monstrous Hemorrhoid Clears Up, I'll Be Good To Go!! : D

Re:The intricacies of intimacy (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659849)

Yeah, Slashbots like sucking down some "Warm Bawls", that's for sure!

Editors need to agree on this! (1, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659643)

OK, so now we worship how ebay works, yet scorn amazon [slashdot.org] for their dotcom business?

Hrm....

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (1)

SN74S181 (581549) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659718)

Oh, I don't worship eBay.

It's a fine way to find hard-to-get items not easy to find anywhere else.

But I would never consider 'a perfect store' one where I have to compete with other customers to drive the prices up.

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (1, Offtopic)

djtack (545324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659719)

OK, so now we worship how ebay works, yet scorn amazon for their dotcom business?

These types of comments drive me crazy. Has it ever occurred to you that slashdot is not a single organism? That it is not guilty of hypocricy simply because different members of the community have different opinions?

Why are you so hellbent on having everyone agree? Image what the U.S. would be like if everyone voted for the same political party... oh wait, never mind, we already know what that's like.

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659779)

It was a joke. Jesus, lighten up a bit! Its friday, after all!

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659914)

"Jesus" - now theres a joke:)

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (3, Interesting)

frunch (513023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659957)

OK, fine... we at Slashdot are a diverse bunch of people with a diverse set of beliefs and opinions. However, it's often possible to find an opinion or a belief that the majority of slashdot readers agreeon . Example: Microsoft is Evil.

Now, judging from the comments to a recent article [slashdot.org] posted about Amazon.com, one could surmise that the majority of slashdot readers (or at least a vocal minority), have an antagonistic relationship with said .com.

Judging from the posts on this article, a lot of Slashdot users also like eBay. Somewhere there's got to be an intersection between these two groups. And by questioning how these people perceive these two companies, we 1) force them to justify their position and 2) learn about why people hold these opinions. I'd say that both of these are good methods for strengthening public debate.

Again, I don't think we're assuming everyone agrees here, just asking those who do to justify their opinions. Just because everyone can read the post doesn't mean it applies to them.

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3660027)


The only reason anyone thinks microsoft/amazon/apple is evil is because they each have a nice convenient figurehead to hang a skinny mustache upon.

ebay doesn't have a hitler.
and ebay has colored stars.

Editors should agree on this: (2, Insightful)

Rareul (537940) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659755)

Amazon has never posted a profit, Ebay generates close to $50MM in distributive (but not distributed) earnings per quarter.

Re:Editors should agree on this: (3, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659900)

using the patented Amazon.com accounting rules, they posted a (incredibly small) profit for Q4 of 2001, although they admitted they don't expect to see another for years.

Most of their statements are "pro-forma" or use other accouting gimmicks that would make Enron blush -- like not including interest paid on debt as an expense.

DING DING DING... We have a Winner (Mod Parent Up) (2, Interesting)

Cletus the yokel (462083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659927)

EBay is successful because they have no warehouse, have no stock (merchandise), their customers pay for the shipping. So they have very low overhead and they get a cut on every transaction. Plus much of the sstuff you find on eBay you can't find at the corner store. As long as eBay is popular, they have a license to print money.

Amazon sells books and video. Any self-respecting town has at least one big-box bookmart like Borders (or Chapters/Indigo here up North). You pay good $$$ shipping cross-country what you can usually buy or special-order down the street. Useful for hard-to-find items, or for shipping gifts, but that's a niche category. They have high overhead and are in competition with local booksellers. Amazon is IMHO more in the pets.com category ("order pet food online! only $20 for shipping!") than in the eBay category.

Re:Editors should agree on this: (1)

JordoCrouse (178999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659956)

Uh-oh - better tell CNN. The think that Amazon turned a profit [cnn.com]

And since when do /.ers respect companies that make alot of money?

Re:Editors need to agree on this! (3, Informative)

nathanm (12287) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659859)

Amazon is scorned by some /. readers because of their ridiculous patent on "one-click shopping." I haven't heard of eBay appplying for any ludicrous patents yet. Amazon, Yahoo, & others have auction sites too, but nowhere near the volume of eBay.

Besides, the editors of /. all have their own opinions & don't need to agree on much.

I love ebay, you can buy anything (0, Offtopic)

Hairy_Potter (219096) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659649)

except maybe a Slashdot account, coz information wants to be free, unless Malda sez so.

Re:I love ebay, you can buy anything (2)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659821)

I just thought it was incredible that people would pay:
  • $50 - low-numbered ICQ account
  • Thousands! - online characters and equipment for games
  • $10 - Pet feces

  • These are just a few odd things out there. When on eBay, search for words like "shit", "crap" or "condom" -- get enlightened!

I cant imagine a perfect store (2, Insightful)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659652)

would involve paypal

Re:I cant imagine a perfect store (2)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659882)

would involve paypal

PayPal's not the only payment option...hell, depending on the seller, it might not even be available for a particular item. eBay has its own payment system and there are several others. (Of course, you could also cut a check or buy a money order...but the delay involved in sending them through the mail makes them somewhat less popular than they used to be.)

FWIW, I've never had any trouble in my dealings with PayPal. Then again, you hear people bitch about IBM Deskstar 75GXPs [news] or Easy CD Creator [news] all the time, and I've never had any trouble with those either (couldn't get ECDC working on WinXP, but v4.05 runs fine on Win2K as long as your drive is old enough...it works with the Lite-On 12x at home, but not the Lite-On 32x at work).

Re:I cant imagine a perfect store (1)

hs81 (62329) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659916)

This is quite a key point. A perfect store would be one where an individual in one country can trade easily with someone in another country. With E-Bay this is not so. You have to use the wretched PayPal or similar schemes none of which work properly and all skim off more of the proceeeds.

SLASHDOT BELIEVES IN SECURITY THROUGH OBSCURITY!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659654)

Read this article on The Reg [theregister.co.uk] for details.

Here's an interesting way to secure an Internet-connected computer against intruders: Make sure the operating system and software it runs are so old that current hacking tools won't work on it. This was suggested by Brian Aker, one of the programmers who works on Linux.com, NewsForge, Slashdot, and other OSDN sites;


Such professionalism amazes me!

Leaps of faith? (5, Interesting)

ranulf (182665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659657)

Leaps of faith take many forms, and none were stranger to the world of 1990's than the possibility that people might buy objects they've never touched from people they've never met and send money to addresses they've never seen on the basis of a bunch of colored stars summarizing a community's collective opinion.

Hmmm. I remember the days before the web became popular and there were so few people on usenet groups that you generally did just trust them.

I remember sending real cash through the mail to someone in the states and they sent me a tape in return. Never even crossed my mind that anyone on usenet could be dishonest, as I read so many of their postings that I just trusted them.

I guess replace postings with stars and add lots of red tape and you have eBay. :-)

Re:Leaps of faith? (1)

djtack (545324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659764)

Yes, back in the "old days" I used to buy quite a bit of fairly expensive stuff from rec.audio.marketplace, and other usenet classifieds. Mostly you just trusted people, though the sellers would usually send things COD. It wasn't perfect, but everything was traceable.

Re:Leaps of faith? (1)

danamania (540950) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659879)

I remember sending real cash through the mail to someone in the states and they sent me a tape in return. Never even crossed my mind that anyone on usenet could be dishonest, as I read so many of their postings that I just trusted them.

It's such a never-done-before-thing, that the whole going-to-be-ripped-off thing wasn't at the forefront of peoples minds. My experience started with a few ancient computers, barely worth $10-$20. They weren't available around here and if I lost that amount I could live with it - and with the amazing range of a worldwide second hand market... all those things-you-can't-get-anywhere-else just drag us in, we trust, they trust us, and it builds on from there.

Sure there are ripoffs around, but the general want of people to trade what they have is big enough that in general - it all comes out positive.

a grrl & her server [danamania.com]

Re:Leaps of faith? (2)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659934)

Hmmm. I remember the days before the web became popular and there were so few people on usenet groups that you generally did just trust them.

I remember sending real cash through the mail to someone in the states and they sent me a tape in return. Never even crossed my mind that anyone on usenet could be dishonest, as I read so many of their postings that I just trusted them.

I used to do a fair bit of trading through comp.sys.apple2.marketplace and misc.forsale.computers. I'd characterize it as having had about the same risk level as eBay...you were more likely to run into goods damaged in transit than to come across an out-and-out crook. (Not that the crooks didn't exist...tried buying a 16-meg SIMM from someone who ended up fleecing a small group of people. $350 would've been a good price at the time (early '96)...looking back, it was probably too good. Chris Dawson, if you're reading this, you're a punk. :-P)

Unicode Box Entities (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659658)

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Re:Unicode Box Entities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659994)

+1, Informative

cool book (5, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659660)

I'm buying my copy used [ebay.com] .

Zombo-post (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659665)

This post is after my previous last post, like I'm fucking back from the grave or some shit. I'm just like Jesus!

Truly an open and competetive market (1)

Ma$$acre (537893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659668)

Of course they don't allow certain things on their site, but if someone buys a telescope for a gun, there are side deals going on for the gun it came on for sure.

Ebay, of course, brings in people who are addicted to the rush of the auction so they end up paying more than they would at a retail site. However, it offers an expansive selection of new and used items and lets the community police itself. In general it works, and surprisingly it scaled decently.

Not dominant everywhere. (1)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659676)

Ebay may dominate in the US and Europe, but its dominance was not inevitable. Ebay Japan is quite pathetic and the online auction market is instead dominated by Yahoo auctions - while Yahoo is stopping its auction service elsewhere.

Re:Not dominant everywhere. (1)

mumblestheclown (569987) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659881)

and ebay pulled out of japan.

The Perfect Widening, as told by me. (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659684)

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I bet I can find a used copy on e-bay... (5, Interesting)

mekkab (133181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659689)

but seriously,
as an infrequent e-bayer (13+ to my name) maybe I missed the whole community aspect.

but beyond checking out someone's rating (are they crooks? are they auction kooks? Are they attached to some university and selling off old computer components? Did it "fall off a truck"?)
I always thought the idea of community was more of an extrapolation.

If I'm trying to find some old analog synthesizer of course I'm gonna check and see some auctions to find what the going rate is. I'll see some users names come up frequently and I'll see who has a passion for this stuff. Chances are we're bent in the same direction. But beyond the congratulatory e-mail and the negotiation of mailing addresses and payment methods is there more to the e-bay community?

It's stars, stars mean sales, and that's that.
Or am I just missing out on the richer tapestry of e-bay life that only becomes apparent when you have 100+, or 1000+?

Re:I bet I can find a used copy on e-bay... (2)

danamania (540950) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659908)

But beyond the congratulatory e-mail and the negotiation of mailing addresses and payment methods is there more to the e-bay community

It's also a type of obsession - one that's not necessarily unhealthy. I think people will flock wherever there are like-minded others, and those who like trading what they're interested in are a big enough group to sustain things. Everyone has a little hobby hidden away they'd love to pursue, but can't because of the lack of 'stuff' in their part of the world. I see eBay as helping that along wonderously.

Incidentally I'm only a part-time ebayer myself, around +22, but occasionally I just have to buy something cos it's there, it's cheap, and a parcel in the mail is still something to be excited over :D.

a grrl & her server [danamania.com]

Re:I bet I can find a used copy on e-bay... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659986)

From time to time Dana likes to eat poop from what I understand - at least, that's what Walt Disney told me. POOP-EATERS OF THE WORLD MUST UNITE! Dana, I fully support your right to eat poop. Eat poop. Eat poop. Eat poop! Viva La Feces!

Athiest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659690)

According to the tale, an atheist traveled to Rome to check out the Catholic Church, and saw, through some odd gift of divine grace, that the Devil himself was sitting at on the throne of St. Peter and ruling the Church disguised as a Pope. The atheist reflected upon the paradox and then became a devout Roman Catholic. Why? He reasoned that only the one true faith could succeed with the Devil himself in charge.

I know that this is treading on shaky ground (potentially offtopic, flamebait, and troll-like at the same time) particularly because this is essentially a semantic complaint (which I generally hate)...but since I have never heard that story before -- this is eating away at me.

If an athiest thought he/she saw the Devil, that person is decidedly not athiest. In modern times, the/a Devil is typically a Christian construct (excluding Hades, etc), and to believe in such things, you must be either a Christian, or hold some relegious beliefs...therefore the person who saw the devil sitting in St. Peter's throne could not be an athiest.


-Anonymous (Athiest) Coward

Re:Athiest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659732)

I'm taking this way too seriously, but...

if an athiest thought he/she saw the Devil, that person is decidedly not athiest.

True. Semantically however, it's quite possible for an aethist to see the Devil on a throne and simply not believe that the creature in question is the Devil. Their belief would be wrong, but it's semantically possible.

I should add that the above doesn't rescue the parable, as apparently the atheist recognises the Devil as being such later on.

Cheers,
A semantically-precise aethist... :-)

It's spelled atheist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659941)

Come on, it's not that difficult.

Does this mean that... (0, Offtopic)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659693)

George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg, Diane Lane and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio will star in the Wolfgang Petersen directed thriller about an online auction house?

ASCII Art Time! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659697)

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Re:ASCII Art Time! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3660022)

Only problem is, these characters aren't all the same width on all browsers, even when using <tt>, so it looks a bit fucked up sometimes.

What's an eBay? (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659710)

What's an eBay?
Is it anything like a PENILE POST ...?

Re:What's an eBay? (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659832)

This is more like an eBay [goatse.cx] .

You can get anything on eBay... (3, Funny)

grommet_tdi (584038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659716)

...including an ass kicking. This "item" can be found here [rr.com] .

Hmmm.. (3, Funny)

Codex The Sloth (93427) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659861)

I wouldn't bid without seeing a picture of the guy. 6 ft and 230 lbs might sound good but then you pay and he's only 5'7 and 150 lbs! And shipping isn't included...

the dominant online auction site? (2)

hex1848 (182881) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659720)

I was thinking about this the other day, i dont think i know of any other user based auction sites (uBid isnt user based) that actually have any worth while content. eBay is the only place i know of to go these days. anyone know of any other worth while auction sites?

yahoo comes to mind, but i havent been too happy with the content in the past.

Re:the dominant online auction site? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659817)

You greasy motherfucker! My penis is waving around outside the building. EAT MY PENIS!!! EAT IT!!

Re:the dominant online auction site? (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3660007)

Pre-Ebay there were a number of large online auction sites. One of them that I used to frequent before ebay was even online got absorbed by egghead during the early days of the dotcom mania for some rediculous sum. Since then egghead has discontinued the service.

presenting. the hoe of slashdhot. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659722)

did anyone hear about that new radical diet that only allows for 1400 calories a day or something?

being rampantly promoted as the way to "live longer!!" based on conclusions from several sceintists.

My friends, this is the work of the media propagnda mission, and it is going to kill us. We need to re-take control. And fast.

***

Gotta Love Ebay (3, Funny)

big_groo (237634) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659754)

Some E-bay items for sale:

Spammers [ebay.com]
Goat Sex [ebay.com]
Windows Boot Disk [ebay.com]
Hollow Jesus Fish Ring [ebay.com]
Various Linux [ebay.com]

You really can buy almost anything on ebay...

Re:Gotta Love Ebay (4, Funny)

headchimp (524692) | more than 12 years ago | (#3660009)

Yep, sure can.

Take a look [ebay.com]

A+++++ GERATE REVIEW!! (5, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659756)

Prompt hyperlinking and friendly service! Content was only a little stupid!!! Would definitely read again!

Re:A+++++ GERATE REVIEW!! (5, Funny)

PhoenxHwk (254106) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659891)

A++++++++++++++ Grate review of a review!!!!!!!!! A good adition to community!!

:)

not perfect at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659782)

a)online auction fraud is one of the biggest sources of fraud on the internet, period
b)there is more CRAP on ebay than anywhere else. I tried to find a Powerbook, and I had to spend 20 minutes weeding out the complete CRAP even though I was looking only the "laptops" category(there is a separate "accessories" category, which of course all the accessory hucksters ignored.) By the time I was done, I had something like:
"powerbook -memory -pad -mouse -case" etc...you get the idea.

Ebay has three basic problems:
-the listings are far from real-time. I've found auctions still listed as running, with decent prices...click on it, and the auction ended an hour or more ago
-astronomical levels of fraud
-garbage, in the form of:
-improperly listed items
-worthless trinkets(laser pointers etc)
-snake oil(radar "eliminators", diet pills, etc)
-items with little to no info and probably not even working("This item is sold AS IS. I get many different kinds of _____ and I don't have the [pick one: experience, equipment, time] to test ______") Translation: "I bought this off the back of a truck and there's no way in hell it'll work, but I might sucker some stupid college kid into paying $50 for it when I got it for $1"

Misses the point? (1)

00_NOP (559413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659823)

Isn't the thing about ebay - at least it is for me - is not the availability of large numbers of things, but that they are cheap?

Seventy five pence for a working NIC was a recent purchase of mine.

Re:Misses the point? (2)

Rupert (28001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659913)

Sometimes. Everything that I've sold on eBay has gone for much more than it's worth. I'd get all depressed about day 5 that I wasn't going to make any money, then the bots kick in and the price doubles or triples.

How much was postage on that $0.75 NIC?

Re:Misses the point? (1)

headchimp (524692) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659971)

Yeah but 10 Pounds for shipping?

ebae (0, Troll)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659824)

anywhere you can buy a human kidney or a kilo of coke has to be good.

to all of those people (2, Interesting)

paradesign (561561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659833)

who say that they can never find what they are looking for, i ask them if theyve tried ebay. mot of the time the response is no, cause if they would have checked it they would have found what theyre looking for.

for example, all of you people who support emulation because you "cant find" the hardware bullshit, nearly everything in this 70+ system collection [tripod.com] was found on ebay. im sorry but ebay has revoked the excuse of obscurity!

why would we want them? (4, Insightful)

shoppa (464619) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659846)

Which brings the question: if the items aren't really scarce, why would we want them?

Most "collectibles" go through huge buy-up/sell-off cycles. In the buy-up cycle, everyone sees that everyone else wants the item and therefore decides they need it too. E-bay has, IMHO, greatly accelerated this part of the cycle, for better or for worse, but the cycle has been around forever.

Just look at the E-bay auction terminology: to "win" an auction is to have bid the most. It turns into a game. Which is what the whole auction-to-the-public industry is based around, in fact. The "pros" (as opposed to the public) know that you don't win by paying the most :-)

Re:why would we want them? (2)

jafuser (112236) | more than 12 years ago | (#3660033)

Actually, I've been able to become much less of a pakrat since eBay came along... I can justify getting rid of stuff now becuase I know (for example) I'll always find some kook who collected all his Amiga Format magazines and is willing to sell me that one issue with a demo of Megalomania in case I ever have the urge to give it another run.

Interesting interview with Adam Cohen on NPR TOTN (3, Interesting)

jimkski (304659) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659863)

Check out www.npr.org for a stream of talk of the nation's interview with Adam Cohen about his book. An interesting point comes when a caller named Rosalinda calls in and relates the dark side of ebay (which includes rigged auctions and shill bidding rings).

Re:Interesting interview with Adam Cohen on NPR TO (2)

shoppa (464619) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659902)

dark side of ebay (which includes rigged auctions and shill bidding rings).

But these aren't unique to E-bay auctions, they can (and do) happen in almost all types of auctions. It's just human nature.

Heck, fraud happens outside of auctions too. At least E-bay has a feedback and delisting scheme in place.

ipo (0, Offtopic)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659884)

At the time, Omidyar, the other members of the management team (Jeff Skoll and Meg Whitman) and Benchmark Capital controlled a stunning 98.1% of the stock. They quickly became billionaires. Many of the workers made a few million of that 1.9% divided among the rest, but everyone else was left out. The thousands of people who worked the bulletin boards, and help create a cohesive community ruled by colored stars got nothing. This continues to be a bitter point for many involved with eBay from the beginning. Money weaves a strange path in and out of the narrative. On one hand, marketplaces are all about price discovery. The only reason to list an item on eBay is to get money. On the other, the book gives the impression that it's kind of crass to be into eBay for the money. The eBay folks are supposed to be passionate believers in this community ruled by colored stars. It's all about community, we're told. But I guess if you can't get IPO shares, that's what you have to live with.

I know RHAT (and maybe LNUX) collected email addresses from gpl software and offered a few token shares to some contributors. What did Slashdot/ANDN do? I recall some people complaining that if you had a user id below xxx you deserved stock, or if you had a karma over xxx you deserved stock.

Please refresh my memory.

Re:ipo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659980)

I think you'll find that when slashdot was sold, the money went into the owners pocket.

What community? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659889)

The eBay I'm familliar with is one with lots of mis-labled/described items that are pawned off as other things. Knock-off items abound. Over priced shipping costs. Paypal/bidpay. Crazed buyers that pay more than retail for used goods. and so forth.

Yes there is also a lot of nice stuff on eBay, it is not a good place for the ill informed(explain to your parents why "they" got ripped off sometime).

As for community? People are in it for the money as others have pointed out. There is less interaction than you would find at your local drugstore. Once a transaction is done, odds are you won't do business with the individual again. A community involves interaction, not one or two transactions.

Re:What community? (1)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3660003)

"They have all the top brands, like magnet-box and sorny!" -- Homer Simpson

Paid Advertisement (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659898)

You'll notice that the vast majority of comments relating to this post are by the so-called "trolls." (Normally the only people with anything interesting to say.) This is because the normal Slashdot crowd has no interest in this horseshit. In an attempt to avoid being de-listed, VA-DonkeyPenis will do anything to raise even a tiny bit of capital - including but not limited to, sacrificing all journalistic integrity they may have had and taking paid adverts for shitty books that no one in their right mind would want to read. Certainly this book has nothing to do with "nerds" and obviously it doesn't matter. Fuck. Slashdot sucks shit. Hey Taco, why don't you go look in the soda machine for some forgotten change? VA-DonkeyNuts will soon be NO MORE! I think that we should organize delisting parties all around the country. That way, we can come together and celebrate something worthwhile (instead of those faggots with Mozilla release party - I guarantee not a single guy that went to one of those has ever touched a boob, let alone a pussy.) In conclusion, Jon Katz is a fucktard!

Part of the trust... (1)

danamania (540950) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659937)

It's a little cynical, but perhaps part of the reason eBay works isn't trust so much as everyone believes they can spot the ripoffs, cons and shady dealers...

a grrl & her server [danamania.com]

Re:Part of the trust... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3659970)

Perhaps part of the reason Dana sucks dick is that

1. she's got a picture of her big fat ass on dana-sucks-dick.com

2. she's sucked my dick.
3. i fucking said so.
4. she works for VA-DonkeyNuts and is only posting an on-topic post because she is being paid to
5. fuck you.

In conclusion, fuck shit cunt poop motherfucker.

Excellent Review (0)

haa...jesus christ (576980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3659990)

This is really great stuff -concise, relevant, and no unnecessary opinion. Great job Peter! Why can't they all be like this? (I'm looking in your general direction, Katz)

But WHY is it named 'eBay?" (2)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3660011)

That's the aspect of eBay I'm most curious about.

Does the book explain it?

Ebay: great tool for scamming idiots (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3660035)

Ebay is the absolute center of fraudulent commerce on the web.
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