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Spoofing P2P Networks as Marketing Plot

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the better-than-lawsuits dept.

Music 457

prostoalex writes "Salon's technology section talks about major music labels spoofing the peer-to-peer networks. The users of AudioGalaxy, Gnutella or KaZaa have probably seen a surge of fake MP3 files when conducting a search on a popular title. The MP3 looks legit, but contains a 20 second clip played over and over. Such promotional tracks were especially popular with newest releases, such as Eminem and No Doubt, as pointed out in the article. Who posted the fake tracks to the p2p networks? Could it be, as Salon suggests, a suburban mom, who does not agree with controversial lyrics, or would it be the label, trying to prevent piracy and promote the new album at the same time?"

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I just mopped up on my Statistics exam. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674901)

So, raise the roof!

Demon babe is hot!

Re:I just mopped up on my Statistics exam. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674920)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Federal officials captured a U.S. citizen with suspected ties to al Qaeda who allegedly planned to build and explode a radioactive "dirty bomb" in the United States, the Justice Department announced Monday.

U.S. officials said Washington was the probable target of the plot. FBI Director Robert Mueller said the plot was in the "discussion stage" when the suspect, Abdullah Al Muhajir, was arrested. Mueller said the plot had not gone any further, to the knowledge of U.S. authorities.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said Al Muhajir -- who was born Jose Padilla -- was captured May 8 as he flew into O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, Illinois, from Pakistan. Officials said that in the weeks before he flew to Chicago, Al Muhajir was tracked flying between Pakistan, Egypt and Switzerland.

U.S. officials later said an "associate" of Al Muhajir had been arrested in Pakistan, prior to May 8. It wasn't clear whether this was the "associate" Ashcroft referred to when, in announcing Al Muhajir's capture, he said Al Muhajir was working with someone in Pakistan on plans to build a dirty bomb. (Full story [cnn.com] )

WE GIVE THEM EQUAL RIGHTS AND THIS IS HOW THEY REPAY OUR GENEROSITY!

A dirty bomb is a conventional bomb equipped with radioactive material designed to spread over a wide area. Depending on the circumstances of the explosion, the number of deaths and injuries from a dirty bomb might not be substantially greater than from a conventional bomb explosion. But panic over radioactivity and evacuation measures could snarl a city, and the area struck would be off-limits for at least several months during cleanup efforts. (More on dirty bombs [cnn.com] )

Ashcroft said Al Muhajir, 31, would be treated as an "enemy combatant" of the United States, a move that means he has fewer legal rights than an ordinary defendant in a criminal case.

President Bush signed off Sunday night on the decision to treat Al Muhajir as an enemy combatant, senior U.S. officials said, adding that the government faced a Tuesday deadline to decide whether to charge Al Muhajir in the federal court system or turn him over to the Defense Department.

Bush accepted the recommendations of Ashcroft and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the officials said, and the transfer from Justice Department to Defense Department custody was made Monday morning.

WE MUST NEVER REST UNTIL WE HAVE ELIMINATED ISLAM FROM THE PLANET!
Suspect 'trained with the enemy'

The Justice Department said that Al Muhajir, who was born in New York, served time in prison in the United States in the early 1990s, when he took on his new name. After his release, he traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan and met with senior al Qaeda officials, Ashcroft said.

"While in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Al Muhajir trained with the enemy, including studying how to wire explosive devices and researching radiological dispersion devices," Ashcroft said. "Al Qaeda officials knew that as a citizen of the United States, as a citizen of the United States holding a valid U.S. passport, Al Muhajir would be able to travel freely in the United States without drawing attention to himself."

U.S. officials said the primary information about Al Muhajir came from Abu Zubaydah, the most senior al Qaeda figure captured by U.S. authorities.

Al Muhajir is being held at the Consolidated Naval Brig in Charleston, South Carolina, according to Pentagon officials. They said the suspect was being held separate from the regular brig population.

DEATH TO PAKIS! THEY ARE A LESSER SPECIES!

"We have acted under the laws of war and under the clear Supreme Court precedent which established that the military may detain a United States citizen who has joined the enemy and has entered our country to carry out hostile acts," Ashcroft said.

Ashcroft made the announcement in Moscow, Russia, where he is meeting with Russian officials to discuss the war on terrorism. (Read transcript [cnn.com] )

"To our enemies, I say we will continue to be vigilant against all threats, whether they come from overseas or at home in America," he said.

-- National Security Correspondent David Ensor, Justice Correspondent Kelli Arena, Senior White House Correspondent John King and terrorism consultant Peter Bergen contributed to this report.

Re:I just mopped up on my Statistics exam. (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674958)

put that mop in your ass AC - it's dirty. Claimed for CLIT.

FP FOR ME? NOT TODAY. I'LL SETTLE FOR THIRD. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674902)

n/m

P2P (-1)

CyberPsyko (472791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674908)

p2p is good...

Re:P2P (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674914)

...for me to poop on!!!1

Hi (-1, Offtopic)

GNUStallman (584516) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674912)

My name is GNU/Stallman. You may remember me from such Cheap Software and GNU/Linux and GNU/Herd.

I am the chairman of the Cheap Software Foundation. My interests include Computers, Bone Flutes and Butterflies.

Thank you.

Re:Hi (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675051)

Do you like Anal Cox too? I hear it's a popular thing about Lunix users.

Oh my god (1)

KingKire64 (321470) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674913)

Could it be could the Music industry actually figure out how to use technology instead of fighting it....
Wait, Hey mom stop stop uploading MP3s!!

Repeating Tracks (4, Funny)

RAzaRazor (562318) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674916)

I have downloaded files in the past where the content repeated itself. It's interesting though because
I have downloaded files in the past where the content repeated itself. It's interesting though because
I have downloaded files in the past where the content repeated itself. It's interesting though because

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Re:Repeating Tracks (2, Informative)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674959)

That got by the lameness filter?

I just want to find a copy of the phantom edit to burn to a VCD.

Sir: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674963)

Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

WHY IS IT INTERESTING, THOUGH? I WANT TO KNOW! (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675045)

(n/m)

The real question is... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674924)

Why do people keep these song shared? I've found one or two of them and deleted them immediately. Maybe we should all do our part and message anyone who shares these songs asking them to delete the track and stop wasting everyone's resources.

It's not as bad as the renaming of some old movie to look like a brand new movie release, but both are annoying.

Re:The real question is... (1)

minesweeper (580162) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674999)

The people proliferating these files are probably the same as those who are unwittingly sharing their entire hard drives [slashdot.org] .

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675026)

Lazy (l)users who don't delete bad files are a big problem for p2p. One bad chunk of file from a speedy connection can ruin your day.

I don't bother w/ movies. Why not just rent the damn thing?

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675073)

I don't bother w/ movies. Why not just rent the damn thing?

If you are downloading movies that can be rented, that's stupid. You can usually borrow the same movie from the library for less than you're paying in bandwidth. Most people download unrentable movies and tv shows.

For example, I don't get WB very well on my antenna and DirecTV doesn't carry it. I watch Smallville regularly through Kazaa.

Is this anything new? (2, Interesting)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674925)

I remember this happening on napster. They also had songs that at the end or beginning said "If you enjoy this song please buy our cd from our website, etc..." I remember a specific Econoline Crush song that was like this and widely distributed on Napster.

Interesting... (4, Interesting)

tm2b (42473) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674928)

If you make the analogy between file sharing and free speech, I guess this would be the labels taking the "more speech is the best solution to bad speech" tact.

I'd much rather see this than action through the courts.

HA HA, SUX0RS. RI44 0WNZ J00! ENJ0Y UR 1/2-SONG (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674969)

n/t

Re:Interesting... (0, Troll)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675093)

Agreed. It also represents a lot of possibilities for Free Software, as filtering out these bogus files is not the kind of thing that will take place behind the closed doors of Kazaa or LimeWire.

I expect we'll see the popularity of tools such as gtk-gnutella skyrocket, and Linux along with it. Once again, Open Source will save the day.

Jon Gotti, plumbing supply salesman, dead at 61 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674931)

Jon Gotti, plumbing supply salesman, mafia don, died at age 61. He passed today in a maximum-security federal prison in Marion, Ill. Some people didn't agree with his methods, but that doesn't take away from the fact he was a really successful guy. Truly an american icon, he will be missed :-(

Re:Jon Gotti, plumbing supply salesman, dead at 61 (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675023)

I agree with this post. Long will he live in our hearts as the "Teflon Don"

Re:Jon Gotti, plumbing supply salesman, dead at 61 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675053)

I always thought of him as the "Fatass Goomba".

Mafia Boss Jon Gotti, Dead at 61 (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674937)

I heard some sad news today at MSNBC.COM, our beloved friend and mafia boss Jon Gotti has died of cancer at age 61.

He will truely be missed - while he may be a criminal in some people's eyes - he is truely an American icon.

Wow, great reporting there (-1, Flamebait)

Anomolous Cow Herd (457746) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674938)

Slashdot: Speculation for Nerds, Stuff that might matter if 3 other things are true

More than likeley it's just 1/2 downloads (1, Interesting)

t0qer (230538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674941)

I have about 1/2 a gig of what I call 1/2mp3's that I got from people cancelling me out in the middle of a download. Yes they are shared, no i'm not doing it to screw with you. It's just that i'm too lazy to go through my share folder to clean them out.

Re:More than likeley it's just 1/2 downloads (2)

coreyb (125522) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674970)

I doubt it's that - what you've got there wouldn't repeat.

Re:More than likeley it's just 1/2 downloads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674976)

When I first got one of these, I thought that's what it was. Then I realized that in fact it was the same 20 seconds repeated about 15 times in the track. I figured it was a fluke and downloaded more tracks from the same album, they were all the same.

Re:More than likeley it's just 1/2 downloads (5, Funny)

RAzaRazor (562318) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674987)

Quote: I have about 1/2 a gig of what I call 1/2 mp3's that I got from people cancelling me out in the middle of a download. Yes they are shared, no i'm not doing it to screw with you. It's just that i'm too lazy to go through my share folder to clean them out.

So why not just delete the files when you come across them?

Oh, also too lazy to listen to the music you download? Why didn't you say so?

You must be one of those people who download stuff for your "Collection" because it's the size that matters, not what you do with it!

it's not the moms (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674942)

Suburban moms don't know how to use computers, much like their ability to drive cars.

Re:it's not the moms (0, Offtopic)

forkboy (8644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675060)

You meant drive SUVs right?

Just plain old trolls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674944)

No matter where you go on the internet, you'll find people trying to fuck stuff up.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY CREATIVE, SOURPUSS. EAT ME (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674995)

n/t)

It's a Slashdotter (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674947)

Posting to support their own conspiracy theories and get their stories on /.

CRC check? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3674949)

It almost seems as if we should start CRC checking the files through the P2P app. Get several, verified versions floating around at common bitrates (and a VBR version)...
That way we don't have to deal with garbage like this, and also have a guaranteed, legit (so to speak), quality copy (at least at the said bitrate) to download.

Yea it may repeat itself but.. (1)

hikeran (561061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674951)

It's probably the best 10 seconds being repeated so it works out in the end....

Of course the best annoyance i read about was how some people kept uploading fake blank videos in the couple of hundred megs and posted them as current movies .. such as ep2 .. lord of the rings.. spiderman ect... hehe i'll bet there were a bunch of really pissed off kids on 28.8 modems dling that ...

Re:Yea it may repeat itself but.. (1)

antibryce (124264) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674982)

I wish all I got was a blank movie. I spent 10 hours downloading AotC, only to discover it was a copy of Corky Romano!

Re:Yea it may repeat itself but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675021)

Mine was Changing Lanes. That wasn't so bad, I got to see the movie early (I was waiting for it to hit the dollar theater.)

Then I tried again and got Sorority Boys. Wow is that movie bad.

about that No Doubt mp3... (5, Funny)

zenintrude (462825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674962)

you thought it was just 20 seconds repeated over and over, but that's actually the real song...


hey baby, hey baby, hey!

hey baby, hey baby, hey!

Re:about that No Doubt mp3... (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675042)

THAT'S SEVEN WORDS. WAY TO SCREW THE JOKE UP. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675087)

n_m

Searching... (4, Insightful)

Mars Hill (583512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674965)

Anybody who uses a fileshare client can quickly figure out that if a file is not multisourced, it might not be legit. These files will not be kept on peoples drives, they will get deleted right away, and then their presence will shrink into oblivion. It's a sneaky idea, though.

Re:Searching... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675008)

Several of these releases are multi-sourced, which makes it very difficult to pick them out of the pack. In fact, in several cases in the last 3 weeks or so, they have more sources than actual recordings. At least in the case of new, or soon to be new releases.

Re:Searching... (3, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675097)

I don't know. I tend to find junk, ads, whatnot on multiple sources. I think people are just lazy, and don't delete the junk.

I know I do, as quickly as I find it, but sometimes I'm downloading something through the night, and may miss a file for 10 hours or so.

So the multi-source thing doesn't work that well.

Subliminal? (3, Interesting)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674966)

I'd find it even more clever if they put subliminal messages in the repeated tracks. Way to use technology against people to do your evil bidding ;-)

Re:Subliminal? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675044)

Retard, subliminal messages embedded in any medium has never worked.

Re:Subliminal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675095)

didn't you mean 'subliminable'?

Good to see (3, Interesting)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674967)

This is actually really good news. It's a sign that the music labels are going to try to deal with the P2P phenomenon on its own terms, not in the courts.

Fortunately, we will likely see a surge of new features in the more popular P2P clients that permit easy filtering of such "bad" files (e.g., an easy "delete and remember checksum" button). But as long as its a technological battle as opposed to a legal one, than it can be won.

On the other hand, the music labels may be shooting themselves in the foot in some cases. If I was trying to get the hot new "electronica" single, and ended up with "a 20 second clip looped over and over" I might not notice the difference!

Re:Good to see (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675028)

Or a hot new Nu-Metal, or hot new Boyband single for that matter. Seems like repetition is pretty much universal these days.

Re:Good to see (3, Funny)

gregfortune (313889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675031)

It's a sign that the music labels are going to try to deal with the P2P phenomenon on its own terms, not in the courts.

I totally agree and I can't believe how long it took them to finally figure this one out. I got a whole bunch of Scorpian King adverts instead of a movie I was trying to grab. Pretty effective stuff, I must say. My next search was "Scorpian King avi" ;o)

ILGVM (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674971)

I Like Goats Very Much

This isn't what we meant by promoting your artists (1, Interesting)

DeltaSigma (583342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674981)

Look, if it is the RIAA distributing these tracks the solution is simple. All we have to do is download the track, copyright it, then sue the RIAA under their own legal documents for illegal distribution of our own intellectual property... In all seriousness, this could be more than a minor annoyance on the RIAA supported P2P software. Imagine spending $1.00 for a download and it was merely a repeating promotional clip. "I'm sorry, you can only have 299 songs this month as of this download! But of course we do have some reccomendation as to which songs you may wish to acquire..."

does anyone know of a good program to help? (1)

jms258 (569015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674986)

i have been looking for a good mp3 databasing type program ... something i can organize my mp3s with ... establish naming standards and apply renames en masse, another nice feature would be the ability to detect whether or not a song is complete. any suggestions?

Re:does anyone know of a good program to help? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675070)

ArmyKnife let you do all you want - naming conventions, ID3 tags, etc. You can apply the changes to MP3s in all sorts of combinations and manners...of course you'll need BeOS to run it. Find it at www.bebits.com and drool :) However, the only thing it can't do is detect if a song is complete or not.

Re:does anyone know of a good program to help? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675072)

The second part about detecting a song's completeness would probably be Encspot (There's also other cool features like detecting the encoder and encoding settings). I'm sure you can google for it

MP3 Rage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675113)

I use it. It's awesome.

http://www.chaoticsoftware.com/

Anyone click on the sybase ad? (0, Offtopic)

alta (1263) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674991)

It's hilarious, click on the ad and you get a single line "[can't process this directive]" (Solaris/Netscape)

Go to the front page, the whole damn site is down.

The funny part was because they were advertising their cool, super duper, oracle beating unbreakable database. Ya think it was their webserver or database that caused the problem? ;)

who clicks on ads? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675048)

I didn't know anyone actually did that

is this bad? (2, Insightful)

dreamt (14798) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674994)

I don't necessarily think that this is too bad of a thing. I would rather see the recording industry trying to fight with technology than the courts. At least if they are fighting illegal copying using technolgy, that still leaves the technology open and available for legal means. If anything, this just goes to prove that P2P has legitimate means, depending on if they are using it for "advertising".

Are you sure? (1, Redundant)

tcd004 (134130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674997)

I thought most pop songs were just the same 20-second loop repeated over and over.

Huh.

Buy some MLB Steroid Gear! [lostbrain.com]

Re:Are you sure? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675024)

BUwhahahah! MOD UP! (Where dem points when I need em?)

IF YOU GET TO +5, SEE THE OTHER 2 JOKES LIKE THIS. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675110)

n_t

At least they're getting more clueful (1)

timc (31015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3674998)

I hope the labels are behind it. It shows they're starting to get a clue about the new technology. Maybe someday they'll actually have a clue [cluetrain.org] .

URL correction (1)

timc (31015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675017)

Oops. It seems that cluetrain [cluetrain.org] requires three-dub in its URL.

Nice Try (1)

ShwAsasin (120187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675002)

Do they not realize that most people downloading copyrighted material are using high-speed connections?

If you get a bad file, chances are you'll download a new one in 2min with a different file size.

Sounds like either some pathetic suburban house-wife is going on a crusade because she ain't gettin' booty or it's the labels who are mad because they are taking it up the booty.

Good on them (2, Insightful)

God! Awful (181117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675005)

I hope it is the music companies who have found a clever way to shut out free-loaders. One of the points that people often ignore here is that a wide-scale solution to music piracy does not have to be technologically perfect; it merely has to make it sufficiently inconvenient or shameful to pirate music that most people won't bother. That's essentially what the much-loathed DRM technology does. This new technique of flooding the netwaves with junk clips is even better because the only "victims" are criminals.

-a

---
The advantage of the GPL is that your customers can continue to maintain your code after you go bankrupt.

the price you pay (5, Insightful)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675006)

That's the price you pay for not paying for your music. I'm quite serious about that. If you are getting music for free, why bitch about the fact that it isn't perfect? If you're getting music for some cool indie band that doesn't have a label, then chances are they aren't spoofed files. If you're getting music from todays top 40 charts, then you obviously haven't paid for something that is generally not free. The labels are just taking advantage of that fact and trying to promote the track you are trying to get without paying for it.

Note, I'm not preaching about how you "shouldn't steal music" (see my rant [punitiveart.com] about what's wrong with DRM). I'm just saying if you get something free, don't bitch that it isn't perfect.

Re:the price you pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675114)

That's the price you pay for not paying for your music.

No, it's just a problem that requires a solution. Are you so stupid and naive as to imagine that it won't be solved, just because the ends are "immoral"?

oh really... (5, Funny)

paradesign (561561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675007)

and i thought they were just boring repetitive songs, you know, like the ones they play on the radio too. i think the RIAA is to blame for those as well.

YOU NEED AN UP-MOD. A +5 POST MAKES THIS SAME JOKE (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675067)

(n/t)

Hmm (2, Interesting)

Have Blue (616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675010)

Hey, this is better than putting up malicious content disguised as MP3 files and hoping it gets launched by the client or user. Haven't you seen those redirects that pop up when you let a gnutella search run for a while?

Precisely (0)

kunsan (189020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675111)

Why I only use kazaalite! No more annoying banners or other crud to put up with!

---cheers

Fake? (2, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675011)

Who posted the fake tracks to the p2p networks?

Fake music? Theres [britneyspears.com] no [backstreetboys.com] such [nsync.com] thing! [98degrees.com]

Re:Fake? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675018)

ah ha ha ha. how original. what a wit. a regular cyrano.

Slashdot-like Moderated P2P networks? (4, Interesting)

dada21 (163177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675019)

I think this is a fine idea by the record labels, if they want to do it, go ahead.

I would REALLY love the ability to moderate people though. I've downloaded my share of BAD quality stuff, and sometimes from the same user, so it would be nice to moderate someone out to nothing-ness status, as well as say "Only download from high moderation point users first" etc.

Re:Slashdot-like Moderated P2P networks? (-1)

Jon Katz on Tuesday (578508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675052)

You sir, have lost your mind.

You want to censor p2p networks much like Slashdot censors users who do not conform to an all-pro-linux stance on every issue? Not everyone in the world is a socialist...

Good Day.

Re:Slashdot-like Moderated P2P networks? (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675054)

I would agree, except I dont think it would be difficult for the record company to get a high modded user quickly and then crapflood...

Re:Slashdot-like Moderated P2P networks? (2)

Kwil (53679) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675108)

Not slashdot-like. Too easy to spoof.

Now a personalized system, where you can rate downloads as "Good" or "Bad" and then that gets converted into a score would certainly be nice.

IPs below a certain score don't get shown

All it did... (1, Redundant)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675027)

All repeating a line over and over again did was piss me off while i was downloading the eminem show. It made me not want it anymore, because hell... maybe thats how the cd was. So I definitly don't think it was done to make people want the album more. Thats what real songs and radio is for. Then again with dsl, just download 15 at a time and find the one tahts good. Suck that riaa.

This is weak (2, Interesting)

MicroBerto (91055) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675029)

The inner-blessings of p2p fix this problem though! Since the file will suck, it will get deleted off most people's hard drives, and will not become as circumvented.

On the other hand, the Eminem files or whatever that are GOOD will eventually spread out, making your chances of finding the right file better with time.

It's nothing to be worried about, as long as people do a good job of stealing and organizing their music (tongue in cheek).

Re:This is weak (1)

Sadfsdaf (106536) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675034)

Wait... Eminem files that are good?

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Re:This is weak (1)

MicroBerto (91055) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675106)

Note that i said "or whatever"... my favorite music (death metal) is rarely on p2p networks. That's why I get onto dalnet and jump into #mp3_metal and #mp3_death !

Keeping mp3's sorted and correct. (1)

TibbonZero (571809) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675035)

I think that it is the person who is sharing's resposiblity to keep their mp3 collection correct and in order.

I have at various times, had over 4000 mp3s at once, and always kept them sorted well enough, as well as having the correct information- so it's not impossible for the average user who has 200 songs or less to keep their track titles correct.

I have seen too many users who had the songs name matched up with the wrong artist (which is some cases is disrespecting the artist that it was labeled for), as well as bad rips, clicks and pops, half tracks, etc...

For the most part, unless you have 200gb of mp3s (as one person I know has, and they are VERY organized), then you should be able to keep yours in order. It is your resposiblity to do so, you owe it to the community.

I wish that someone would figure out a way to have a checksum for the mp3, to make sure that it is finished, and without viruses.

As a final note, I have noticed games and other things being mislabeled quite often as well on the filesharing services. I did a recent test of this (on an extra computer). I found a few viruses in the lot, but asides from that- I attempted to download GTA3 (I own a real copy of it, so i don't feel bad about attempting a download that I won't use.) and got Need For Speed: Porshe Racing instead, and a monster truck game on another try. I tried to download the Sims Hot Date (also owned by me), but found that it was also bogus, didn't work, etc... this occured on many files.

Now the easy solution to this is for me to use IRC to find stuff and FTP servers... which I do for the most part, and find it FAR more reliable. I simply wonder if the gaming companies are also flooding the services with crap...

Combatting Piracy through Obscurity? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675036)

This is an interesting idea, yet I don't think it will be very viable. With sharing networks such as edonkey (www.edonkey2000.com) files are downloaded and referenced based upon a hash/crc/guid whatever you'd like to refer to it as. So unless they work on spoofing this the only people they are going to thwart are the n00b users, as anyone with half a brain will be downloading the right version (oxymoron i suppose).

Now what may work is actually going along with the bandwagon and releasing valid mp3 files that are watermarked, or soundmarked. I remember a few months ago where every mp3 I was downloading (mostly top40 stuff) had some guy in the beginning introducing it, and then speaking gibberish at random points in the song. Not unlike a big NOT FOR RESALE sticker. So if say eminem released his album online beforehand (or some singles) and put this type of watermark in it, with perhaps a message in it like : "Preorder the cd now and recieve $5 off, or a free hat". I feel that would be alot more productive than this crap. Now there just wasting everyone's bandwidth.

It's a lot like slashdot (1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675047)

they're always posting something that's been posted before

Rating might be the answer (2)

matsh (30900) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675049)

The only way (I think) to stop these kinds of "attacks" might be if the users can rate the content. That way users can help eachother in localizing and avoiding the crappy files. Not sure how it could be implemented, though, and I'm not sure how to avoid the record companies from creating massive amounts of clients that all give positive ratings on their own crappy files...

Mats

Not legit? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675055)

"The MP3 looks legit, but contains a 20 second clip played over and over."

That's not spoofing...it's called "techno."

Get Over It (1)

substatica (548293) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675057)

Could anyone really blame the industry for saturating P2P networks with fake files so that when you try to steal from them you're actually wasting your time? I mean one can't whine too much about piracy becoming more and more difficult...

And in other future news... (1)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675059)

In tonight's news, to keep one step ahead of the RIAA, the major P2P networks upgrade their clients to include CRC and file size checks. Some companies are rumored to also include automatic .SFV file checking.

Salon says... (5, Insightful)

doorbot.com (184378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675064)

Actually, Salon quotes Eric Garland, CEO of peer-to-peer measuring service BigChampagne:

"What you want to do is excite the consumer and titillate and create demand." He notes, however, that the "danger of try-before-you-buy" is that if a user doesn't like a previewed track, "then the industry and that record would have benefited from [that user's] ignorance."

Hmm. Now isn't that interesting.

So...

RIAA doesn't want Joe Consumer listening to the crap (Top 40 I guess) they release before he buys the album, because then he might realize it's crap and the RIAA is just liberating money from a fool.

OK, so let's go with that for just a moment here...

That means that what the RIAA releases as "today's hottest bands" are really just a bunch of second-rate hacks (not even first rate!) who've been blitz-marketed into every teenager's record collection. So, as Bono (right?) said on that VH1 special (paraphrased), "It's not casette copying that's killing the music industry, it's crap music killing the music industry."

Frankly, I think that has always been true.

What I want to know is... if the band is so unbelievably fantastic, why do they need all the heavy marketing? Sure, some marketing to appeal to the fence-sitters, but you don't preach to the choir.

So, the RIAA is spending billions to market Britney Spears to make us believe she's the best thing since sliced bread (or better yet, to make us think it more than we already do it seems), when Britney fans will buy the CDs anyways. And somehow they claim they're losing money here. Hmm.

All the word games, legal lunges, and slight of hand gets old after a while. Is anyone else getting a vision of the RIAA as another Ross Perot jumping in an out of the "race" all the while annoying us with lots of charts and a funny voice?

Good thinking (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675066)

This is how They should try to stop copyright infringement. Putting aside the copyright debate for a moment, this is away to make it inconvienant for people downloading material, without engaging the courts.
You could take this same approach on other things as well.
I have always felt radar detector should be legal. If the loac PD don't like it, just put up a device that fired a signal at a random interval to trigger the radar detectors. Don't involve the courts in something you can solve yourself.

md5 (1)

lapey (144699) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675068)

what if everyone agreed up 3 different quality mp3s that would be created. would it be possible to create an md5 hash of the mp3 so that you could verify it is what you are looking for or is there too much variation in the way that mp3 encoders work? and what about having a verification service for mp3s? i don't think that they could get in trouble because all they have is the md5 hash and not the actual mp3.

Lapey

Not just mp3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3675069)

Someone put out a couple diffrent Mike Tyson video clips that aren't real. One is car racing in stalkholm and one is a "Gay bike fight"!!??? I renamed The files, but I have no idea if that is going to help.

-1 Redundant (5, Funny)

Subcarrier (262294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675071)

The MP3 looks legit, but contains a 20 second clip played over and over

Time to put the /. moderation system into the P2P clients.

reminds me of 2 years ago (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675076)

when I first heard about Napster, I wasn't trying to help the music industry, and I have no issues with the fucking lyrics on the shit.
but I thought it would be funny if I took the cd that came with my car, recorded bits of it so that it matched Brittney Spears songs and N'Sync song lengths and then label them in ways that made them look like those hits.
so people would get "hit me baby one more time" and the song would consist of a man in a deep voice desribing how to use the seat reclining system in a 2000 saab 9-3

The music industry finally has the right idea. (5, Insightful)

CurtisRWC (520668) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675077)

I think this is a really good tactic for the music industry to use in their struggle against P2P piracy. Yes, piracy. I mean, regardless of whether or not you personally are downloading music or other files in a legal fashion, there are tons of other people (likely the majority) of people who are using this to do something which is considered illegal by law. Is it a good law? Doesn't matter. It is the law.

So, when Joe College Student downloads the latest MTV-hyped band that sounds like metal, grunge, and rap all thrown together in a blender, he gets a 20 second clip and an advertisement. What is Joe going to do? This is kinda/sorta like the highschool kid who spends $60 on a bag of off-the-shelf herbs and spices.

Now, here's the thing that really makes this a Good Thing. If this becomes common practice amongst the music industry, it could very well have the unexpected side effect of thwarting legal attempts to get P2P services shut down. I'm not a lawyer, etc, etc, but I'd think that you would be hard pressed to present a case to shut down a service that you use yourself.

And of course, now that the ante has been upped, I'm sure the P2P community will respond by improving their software to add features to combat the music industry's latest tactics. I'm not sure what form this will take, but perhaps some sort of public key watermark by trusted encoders or preview features or something even better.

In an odd, preverse sort of way, this is almost the first step in making peace between the P2P community and the music industry.

Freenet's solution to this problem (5, Interesting)

Sanity (1431) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675091)

We [freenetproject.org] have been thinking about this problem for some time. Our solution is a mechanism called "subspaces", where users can effectively vouch for the authenticity of data, even though that data might be anonymously inserted into the network. Even those vouching for data can remain anonymous, they will be motivated to stay honest to maintain the reputation of their anonymous identity. You can learn more about subspaces here [freenetproject.org] .

why a suburban mother? (-1, Flamebait)

AssFace (118098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675094)

why not a mom in the inner city?
or a mexican?
you are obviously just racist.
mexicans can post songs just as well as crackers.

It's not suburban moms (0, Troll)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 12 years ago | (#3675098)

Suburban moms won't touch a computer. They're evil, they're Hal 9000, besides, what if they screw them up? Most women are so technophobic that if they had run the world from the start, humanity would still be in caves if we even had survived. They wouldn't have let us have any stupid gadgets like fire and the wheel.
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