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How Yoda Became an Action Star

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the he-used-the-force dept.

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fexter writes: "This article at Entertainment Weekly talks about Yoda's transformation from a puppet to a completely-CG character, and talks about the animators' horror at Lucas' transformation of Yoda: 'When Coleman and crew first saw them, they were appalled. They thought it was unseemly and undignified for Yoda to bounce through the fight like a Superball loose in a toy store.'"

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Pist frizzost (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682868)

up in this bitch yo! Ah sheeit!

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Re:How RoboTroll became a troller (-1, Troll)

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s.e.c.o.n.d p.o.s.t... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682871)

suck it down!

Fight Scene (4, Funny)

fidget42 (538823) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682877)

A friend of mine said that the fight scene reminded him (sound wise) of a battle involving Miss Piggy. Unfortunately, now I picture her in the fight instead of Yoda.

Re:Fight Scene (5, Informative)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682892)

Considering the person that does the voice of Miss Piggy is also the person that does the voice of Yoda (Frank Oz) it's no suprise.

Denny's TV commercial (3, Funny)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683013)



Have you seen the new Denny's TV commercial? She and Kermit are ordering breakfast at Denny's. They order a Grand Slam breakfast and go ape-shit because they are overjoyed to be eating pancakes, sausage, and bacon. Man, there is some sick shit on TV these days...

Re:Fight Scene (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682901)

But Miss Piggy would have knocked him out faster

Re:Fight Scene (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682923)

I haven't seen the movie yet, because I'm actually boycotting the [MP|RI]AA, and I refuse to pay to see a movie (though I'll watch for free if it's on TV or something) but every time someone brings up Crouching Yoda, Hidden Jedi, I envision the same thing: a hysterical muppet, flying around and whapping things with a lightsaber, grunting and yelling in that high-pitched Frank Oz voice.

You've got the right vision... (2, Insightful)

allism (457899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682956)

The animators were right...he does look like a bouncing Sooperball, it is undignified, and I (and others I asked) found it more comical than amazing.

Re:You've got the right vision... (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683039)

Surely it was supposed to be comical, right? I mean everyone in the theater was in hysterics.

Re:You've got the right vision... (2)

rblancarte (213492) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683094)

I thought that what he did (bouncing around) was kind of cool. But I thought his HEE-YAA, was really annoying, and very overboard. Oh well, I have been the first to defend Lucas doing his thing, and this is just another example, BUT this is one thing I did not like.

RonB

Re:Fight Scene (2, Interesting)

Grell (9450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683050)

Nah the reaction is more like these.

One [non-essential.com]

and this

Two [doemainofourown.com]


That's the feeling I left with at least. Makes you realize how the destruction
of the Jedi Council must have left him old and alone.
(Dagobah Yoda) vs. His top of his form Council Leader persona.

Re:Fight Scene (0)

e_armadillo (14304) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682968)

Visually it is kinda like the episode of the Muppets where Kermit Jumps headlong into a bar
fight and bounces all around.

Re:Fight Scene (1)

YourFavoriteBandSux (574395) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683117)

Completely off-topic so mod at will, but I thought Moff Tarkin/Robert Carlyle (sp?) was s'posed to be in Ep 2. Wha happen?

Yoda kicked my ass once (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682890)

That little green bastard and his jedi powers. Man on man, no powers, I'd beat him... I know it!

Freudian slip in parent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682899)

OUCH!

Re:Freudian slip in parent! (1)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682965)

man on man

Thats what the Jedi Knights are all about.

the back end of a light-saber....

Credibility lost (5, Funny)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682891)

From the first paragraph:

We're talking, of course, about the most crowd-pleasing scene in a movie so far this year, wherein the little green Jedi Master summons the Force to bounce and whoop and haiiii-yah!

No... The most crowd pleasing scene in a movie so far this year was Kirsten Dunst giving mouth to mouth resuscitation to Spiderman in the rain with her nipples hard from the cold.

Re:Credibility lost (5, Funny)

Mike the Mac Geek (182790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682938)

May you live long, good sir, for putting that particular image back into my head. I had nearly forgotten the perkiness of that moment. Never again.

Re:Credibility lost (2)

Snaller (147050) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683007)

Why is it some kids get so carried away by such a thing? Unless you are the cause; who cares!

Re:Credibility lost (1)

alienmole (15522) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683025)

Why is it some kids get so carried away by such a thing? Unless you are the cause; who cares!

Uh, why do you go to movies at all? Unless you are the main character, why do you care?

Filthy (2, Funny)

thelen (208445) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683035)

The Filthy Critic's [bigempire.com] take:

"Kirsten Dunst is a very good actress, and each of her tits under a wet shirt is worth a quarter the price of admission. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that makes a man sitting alone in a theater instinctively squeeze the Hamm's he smuggled in."

Nerds Suck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682895)

StarWars is for nerds!

StarTrek, on the other hand, is cool.

Lucas, Lucas... (0, Flamebait)

YahoKa (577942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682904)

What would you expect when you put Lucas in charge of it? The guy can ruin everything, can't he...

Re:Lucas, Lucas... (3, Insightful)

3th3rn3t (245106) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682958)

" They thought it was unseemly and undignified for Yoda to bounce through the fight like a Superball loose in a toy store. "

Yes, i have to agree with that, Lucas is a complete moron. Always was and always will be.
He completely disregarded all the background the fans had created for the various characters in the movie ( for example Boba Fetts story ) and managed to ruin things once again.

Not to mention the whole film was PACKED with CG. I mean, ok, sure, CG are nice and helpfull, but for god's sake, do use some real actors and scenert at some point. Every signle thing in the movie was CG'ed. I dont know, it just didnt feel like the StarWars people loved and respected anymore.

As for the duel scene, it was a complete disaster IMHO. Many people in the theatre laughed and laughed after it, when Yoda grabbed his stick to help him walk. Sure, Yoda uses the force blah blah blah, but dont make the duel act as a comic relief.
We await for Episode III - Lucas Epic Disaster.

Re:Lucas, Lucas... (3, Funny)

dfn5 (524972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683001)

Rumor has it that the crowd laughed during a pre-screening or some kind of audience test where Lucas was present. Apparently he got upset because it was supposed to be a serious scene. If this is true the man has lost all touch with reality.

-Star Wars: Not the choice of a new generation.

Re:Lucas, Lucas... (2)

G-funk (22712) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683054)

I love slashdot:

"Lucas is a complete moron. Always was and always will be..... We await for Episode III [but it'll suck]"

Re:Lucas, Lucas... (1)

yellowjacket03 (470997) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683099)

I know, I hate it when I take someone else's ideas and "make them better" only to have that person disregard my changes and do his own ideas. Just because that person has been a giant success in the past doesn't mean that he's better at telling stories than I am, even though I haven't done anything of note ever!

Oh well..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682905)

I thought it was cool.

Well, Yoda just used the force... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682906)

but he forgot to take a few minutes to warm up as stretching cold muscles can cause injury.

Well ... (1, Insightful)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682908)

Yoda is (supposedly) one of the "strongest" in the Force. Others can move objects using the Force(which is completely nonsense in my opinion- mental power doesn't have nothing to do with physical power or the ability to affect the physical world) why shouldn't Yoda be able to levitate and throw his own body about to compensate for his low posture (is that the correct word?)... Besides, if he didn't, he would just be able to aim at legs.

I was dissapointed that he didn't just kill dooku on the spot...A tie is not a win. Oh well. :/

Re:Well ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682933)

Beyond that, keep in mind that Return of the Jedi actually features Luke using a superhuman, force-assisted jumping technique .. that Yoda taught him.

Re:Well ... (1)

sunwukong (412560) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682939)

My preference would be if he kept is relative frail demeanor but used the Force to, say, pick up Obi-Wan's and Anakin's light sabres and carve Dooku up like a ham. ;-)

Re:Well ... (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682978)

Don't other jedi's do this as well? Obi-wan and Qui-gon both used the force to allow themselves to jump really high. Seems like pretty much the same effect to me.

Re:Well ... (1)

pixel.jonah (182967) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683028)

true, but not to such a obscene degree...

Re:Well ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3683112)

Did you see how far Anakin jumped down that cliff to get to the camp where his mother was? It was huge! He must have some serios levatation ability to do that.

Appalled? (5, Interesting)

MightyPhil (567571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682909)

Why, I thought this was one of the best scenes in the movie. All my life, I wanted to see Yoda as a real Jedi, rather than just a frail wise old master. This fight was what I have been waiting for from Star Wars for a long time.

Finally, you understand that Yoda, although frail physically, has the ability to channel the Force in ways that no other Jedi can, at least as far as we have seen.

I don't think that the fight was in any way a detriment to the character, it actually just enhances his mystique. Besides, the irony of him finishing up bouncing off the walls, only to pick up his cane and hobble around again was priceless.

Re:Appalled? (2)

Buran (150348) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682940)

Indeed. One man's trash is another man's treasure, as they say. I'd have to say that scene is tied for favorites (in Episode 2) with the juxtaposition of C-3PO and a battle droid; details left out in case readers haven't seen the film, but those who have know what I'm referring to.

Re:Appalled? (1)

tuck182 (43130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682972)

And one man's treasure is another man's trash.;-)

David Carradine (1)

LBrothers (583483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683017)

I would have been much more pleased had the action sequence played out like one from Kung-Fu the Legend Continues. David Carradine's character mastered the art of being wise and skilled/strong without flying through the air and jumping over walls.

This "super Yoda" is fun to watch (if you can watch that fast) but it doesn't sit right with me as the same character who hobbles on a cane and eats porridge.

Re:Appalled? (1)

adgriffi (259528) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683019)

I agree with you. I have never been a *true* Star Wars fan, and Episode One only made it worse.

For Epispde 2, about 50 guys from my floor (college dorm) were going, so I went along. I thought it was great. The fight, and everything else. Not to mention the Natalie Portman looked as hot as ever.

Now I'm looking forward to the next one, but I'm more anxious about The Matrix Reloaded...

The best scene in the film I have... (2)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683023)

When 875-or-so years old you reach, look as good you will not, eh?

Of course, the bits that really make that scene come immediately before and after the fight, not during, but half the posters on this thread have spoiled the joke for anyone who hasn't seen it yet anyway... :-(

Re:Appalled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3683047)

Oh, for Christ's sake.

Re:Appalled? (4, Interesting)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683065)

Well, I am of similiar mindset to you in someways and not in others.

Finally, you understand that Yoda, although frail physically, has the ability to channel the Force in ways that no other Jedi can, at least as far as we have seen.

I've always thought that the Jedi are a pretty clear reference to martial arts and that The Force is similar to the chinese concept of "chi". Chi is meant to be some kind of biological energy force that flows through the body of an individual (in fact, acupuncture is designed to reroute the chi through meridians in the body -- if you believe in that sort of thing). Chinese martial artists believe their superior fighting ability comes from being able to channel their chi into an opponent and use the opponent's chi against them. In a book by B.K. Frantzis entitled "The Power of Internal Martial Arts," he describes studying under several chinese kung fu masters. One of them was so old and frail that he walked into the dojo with a cane, after warming up was able to toss strong men around effortlessly, and then had to leave again with the assistance of a cane. So the idea that The Force can help one overcome their age-induced physical limitations isn't exactly new.

I don't think that the fight was in any way a detriment to the character, it actually just enhances his mystique.

I don't think that people object to Yoda fighting, it was the way in which he fought. Movies have somehow perpetuated the idiotic notion that martial arts is about jumps and flips. I think it would have been far, far, more impressive if Yoda moved around a lot less and demonstrated his skill with the speed, accuracy and ability to rapidly change his sabre strokes. He expended a lot of useless energy bouncing around. Remember, when you're doing a flip, you're basically defenseless and not doing any real attack. You would think that a wise old Jedi like Yoda would be able to use some pretty efficient moves on Dooku.

Just my two cents,

GMD

Re:Appalled? (0)

masterkool (550633) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683073)

Ditto to that. In every movie...there is some comment like "From what Yoda said I have expected more." As if Yoda is the supreme apitomy of the force...WHICH HE IS. I found the "superball" like proformance of Yoda to be amazing. "priceless" is quite the fitting term.

Re:Appalled? (1)

Thelgar (204368) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683096)

I don't think that the fight was in any way a detriment to the character, it actually just enhances his mystique. Besides, the irony of him finishing up bouncing off the walls, only to pick up his cane and hobble around again was priceless.

This reminded me a lot of the scene in Fist of Legend [imdb.com] where Jet Li's character (Chen Zhen) fights Fumio Funakoshi, an old Japanese master. Before and after the fight, Fumio walks and talks like an old man, but during the fight, he (almost) fights Chen Zhen to a standstill. The Yoda fight scene almost feels like a tribute to this scene...

Re:Appalled? (2)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683101)

Why, I thought this was one of the best scenes in the movie.

And if you read more than the first couple of paragraphs, you would have seen that Coleman and the animators eventually agreed with you.

Psshaw (5, Funny)

thelen (208445) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682912)

They thought it was unseemly and undignified for Yoda to bounce through the fight like a Superball loose in a toy store.'"

He looked much more like Sonic the Hedgehog.

Yoda speaks (5, Funny)

smaug195 (535681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682913)

How so limber am I? Frisky one is if animators hand in ass is not.

Re:Yoda speaks (2, Funny)

smaug195 (535681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682927)

Animator I mean not but a Puppeteer do I mean.

lp (-1, Troll)

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subject line troll is my fucking hero (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682983)

n/m

why is this so difficult. (3, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682917)



Everyone knows he used the force

evryone I know who watched the movie enjoyed that scene the most. Just to see him spiraling through the air. then pick up his walking stick and limp away. To be honest I think the transformation was reasonable. There is always that cartoony effect that you get with CGI. that you dont get by using a puppet. Real hair real shadows, real intigration with the scene.

One Word... (0, Troll)

Uart (29577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682921)

Ewok

That pretty much sums up how/why Lucas put that scene in.

is she cute or WHAT?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682925)

cute! [qwest.net]

Fear the Wrath of Fandom (4, Interesting)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682926)

But Lucas insisted upon staging the scene as planned (though some of the staff suggestions -- like easing into the fight with a longer duel-of-the-wizards buildup -- did get incorporated). ''George told me, 'You don't understand,''' says Coleman. '''The fans WANT this. They've been dying for this. I can't tell you how many letters I get. They want to see Yoda throw it down.'''

It seems that Lucas had learned to fear the force of the Fans

He may be a slow learner, but apparently He does learn. Now he he would only make Episode I more meaningful.

Re:Fear the Wrath of Fandom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682960)

But what did he learn? How to make a good movie? No. How to make a movie the fans would like? No. He put in a bunch of crap that several of the more freakey, but definately minority of fans wanted. He learned nothing. Zero. Nada. (Well atleast he did take out the f'ing backstreet boys)

most? how about only? (2)

blamanj (253811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682929)

Since I saw the movie after all the fanboys and their ilk had already hit their 20 viewing limit, I must say, that the audience reaction in the theatre was significant enough to measure only in that scene.

A real high point in an otherwise soulless film.

Re: most? how about only? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682993)


> A real high point in an otherwise soulless film.

Forgive the flamebait, but if that bit of sillyness was the high point, I'm glad I missed it.

Re:most? how about only? (1)

budGibson (18631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683012)

I agree with this. My son (7) and *I* (41) thought the Yoda fight scene was great. We did generally like the movie, and I found the romance believable, maybe says something about my romantic abilities at that age. It was probably unrealistic that he actually got the girl.

Still should have been better (5, Insightful)

CarlDenny (415322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682948)

I'm still annoyed at the Yoda fight scene, and I think the animators were right.

Yes, having Yoda kick ass was cool.
But he didn't have to do it by spinning around at 3600RPM.

Yoda is supposed to be relaxed and smug. He should have overwhelmed Dooku with -skill- instead of just being four times faster, with no moment of inertia. That scene would have been twice as good if the big Y had stayed upright, and parried and feinted like a madman. No need for backflips.

Re:Still should have been better (1)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683016)

Wouldn't 10,000 rpms be more appropriate given that ILM uses SGI boxes, that use Seagate drives?

Re:Still should have been better (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3683033)

His lightsabre is shorter, so Yoda *has* to be four times faster.

Re:Still should have been better (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683084)

Is it really shorter? When I saw the movie, some angles I thought it was shorter, others I thought it was the same length. I was thinking that it was just the fact that he is a lot shorter and thus lower to the ground, and the semi-overhead perspective makes it look shorter. All in all, I really couldnt make up my mind either way, but at least I'm not the only one who saw this.

Re:Still should have been better (5, Insightful)

Deagol (323173) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683062)

I have to agree. I would have liked to see a parallel to the first Luke/Vader fight in ESB. The first few minutes are Luke going at it, while Vader kinda shrugs him off with his 'saber -- with one hand, no less. This really made an impact as to how much of a badass Vader truly was.

And don't get me started on how Yoda should have simply force-shoved Kenobi and Skywalker out of the way of that pillar, rather than stop the pillar itself. Soooo lame.

Speaking of Vader, am I the only one who was really let down by the 30-second battle between Anakin and Dooku? I mean, this kid is destined to be the Jedi, yet this scene lacked any real tension. Even the last Darth Maul fight in E-1 was better!

Re:Still should have been better (4, Interesting)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683077)

Uhm, don't you think that being 4x faster than your opponent is skill?

I'd rather fight someone who is fighting "upright, and parr[ying] and feint[ing] like a madman" than a cracked out superball spinning around like a guided battle-axe. Just the opinion of an old tournament fighter, though. What Yoda did, takes more skill. Period. You can spin around all you want, and a lot of amatuer fighters do it. The trick is to be able to do it well and make it hard to defend. If done well, and fast, it throws your opponent off to defend and if they fail to defend, you get more power. Assuming you aren't doing focused strikes.. which is a whole different story.

But the Jedis are decadent... (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683086)

They've gotten to the point where they think "Who needs skill when you have the force?"

Could someone please expain the Michelle Yeoh-Dah?
Er, Nevermind [imdb.com]

MY DICK WONT GET OUT OF MY MOUTH!! (-1)

xdfgf (460453) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682949)

plz hlp k thks

jeez, they have like 2 paragraphs per page (5, Funny)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682952)

Is it me, or were there an awful lot of pages (and ads) in that article?


Fight Club

How Yoda became

click to continue...(page 2/1345)

an action star

click to continue...(page 3/1345)

With a little help

click to continue...(page 4/1345)

from director George Lucas

click to continue...(page 5/1345)

Re:jeez, they have like 2 paragraphs per page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682979)

That's because they had to put a pop-up ad at every page, furthering the crapification of what was once a noble and inspired technology. Kinda like TV, just ask Philo T. Farnsworth.

Lucas Listening to Fans? No Way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682957)

''George told me, 'You don't understand,''' says Coleman. '''The fans WANT this. They've been dying for this. I can't tell you how many letters I get. They want to see Yoda throw it down.'''

Re: Lucas Listening to Fans? No Way! (0, Flamebait)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683042)


> ''George told me, 'You don't understand,''' says Coleman. '''The fans WANT this. They've been dying for this. I can't tell you how many letters I get. They want to see Yoda throw it down.'''

What the fan letter actually said:

Dear Mr. Lucas. Episode I made me want to
throw up. Try something different or get out of the business.

Dignity? (5, Interesting)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682966)

They thought it was unseemly and undignified for Yoda to bounce through the fight like a Superball loose in a toy store.
Yeah, I guess it would have been more dignified for Yoda to stand there and let Dooku hack him to pieces with a lightsaber. :) Come on, wise sayings and Charlie Chan grammar do not a powerful Jedi make. There has to be a reason Yoda is so respected -- and it's because he's a badass, not because he can spout aphorisms. (He's certainly not very wise, considering how badly the Jedi get blindsided by the Dark Side.)

It should look familiar (4, Funny)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682973)

You know it looked just like the scene from Karate Kid where Mr. Miyagi opens a can of whoop-ass on those punks. If you use photoshop to color Mr Miyagi green you will see a near perfect match.

But Yoda is a BIG star here... (0, Troll)

Vought 28 (584320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682975)

Someone produced a live action/ccg movie recently where Yoda and Jar Jar actually have a love scene. It gets pretty steamy. As a master Yoda truly does have the biggest light saber.

The fight we're really after (2, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682990)

Yoda vs. Miss Piggy.

I'd just love to see Miss Piggy move to her fighting posture, Yoda draw his lightsaber, and Frank Oz get throatache.

Re: The fight we're really after (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683063)


> Yoda vs. Miss Piggy.

In Sumo wrestlers' garb.

(Fantasize about that as you drift off to sleep tonight!)

I don't like any of the fights (3, Interesting)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3682994)

In TPM and ATC the jedi fight like samuri. Back with the original trilogy the jedi seemed to me to fight like duelers (mukateers or something), and even then their movements were slower, as if each jedi put a lot of thought into each single move. Watch the new ones, it's a bunch of flashing light and people jumping up and down. The Yoda thing is just the epitome of that. I saw ATM via a download, so maybe someone could clear this up. Did Yoda give Dookie that "bring it on" hand gesture that Neo did in the Matrix? Looked like it to me. It was sad.

Re:I don't like any of the fights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3683083)

Yeah, but in episodes 4-6, the jedi were old men, as opposed to the young whippersnappers in episodes 1&2 (excepting luke, who was trained by an old guy). As well, Vader and Kenobi probably hadn't used there sabers in years, and your first fight in a decade is not when you whip out the fancy footwork...

Come get some. (1)

phriedom (561200) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683095)

I thought that was Bruce Lee's hand gesture that Neo was paying homage to.

Hand gesture (2)

LowneWulf (210110) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683118)

The 'move' that Neo did was was THE SIGNATURE MOVE OF BRUCE LEE!
Come on, while Keanu did kick some AI butt in that movie, credit must be given where credit is due.

The only question now being who would win in a fight? Neo? Bruce Lee? Or Yoda?

Neo can bend reality, Yoda's got the force, and Bruce Lee just takes the hits and keeps coming.

A truly comical scene... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3682998)

From a truely comical movie. I had a hard time keeping a straight face during the awful scene at the fire where the Anakin character goes on about how he is in agony (I was too, Oh the Humanity!)

But seriously I was histerical during the Yoda fight scene, it was the funniest part of the movie. I didn't think Lucas would stoop so low. It was rediculous, but after he screwed up the first one and this one, I guess I'm expecting a bit much.

Don't forget that rediculous scene where the chick falls out of the transport and after rolling about a bit and moaning, gets up and runs away like nothing happened. I also got a kick out of how she managed to keep here costume so white. Don't forget those strategic tears in the clothing.

Under Cover Green Midget +Jedi Brother (4, Funny)

puto (533470) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683000)

Unseemly for Yoda? Give the little man some props. Even Sprout gets to hang out with the Green Giant.

Yoda had to live on a miasmic swamp planet in a friggin rotten stump. The ghetto of the universe.

Not to mention training whiny white bread farm boys in the ways of the force.

Did I forget mentioning he is 2 feet high with a head that looks like a pot pie that has been microwaved too much?

So Yoda had a heavy burden. Let the man fly through the air and pimp a little bit of the force to show who is the man.

Unseemly? Give me a break.

Puto

Burn him! (4, Interesting)

galaga79 (307346) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683009)

You have gotta love this quote, taken roughly halfway into the article.

Coleman found himself ''waking up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night,'' imagining he'd be ''dragged through the mud'' by website critics who'd say ''the guy who did Jar-Jar has now f---ed up Yoda. Burn him!'' Some of the animators went so far as to create alternate stagings, which Coleman showed his boss.

PS I wonder if we will get to see any of these alternate stagings on the DVD that comes out November

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3683020)

you can see that it pays off to stay slim

What I wanted to see Yoda do (1)

Kargan (250092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683045)

I wanted Yoda to fight simply by levitating the lightsaber, standing a good distance away from the opponent. How could you lose a fight like that? You would just be fighting a flying ("dancing") lightsaber, with the person wielding it staying far out of your reach.

That would have been cool.

....sympathetic with the animators... (1)

sundip01 (214355) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683048)

I have to say, I'm not so sure I liked it as much as other ppl did. I mean, when it happened the people in the theater were cheering like some crazy mofo's. I was definitely surprised at it, but considering how the rest of the movie was it was a welcome break from the awful dialogue.

There are a lot of things I would liked Lucas to do differently with this movie, but he's the head honcho and I'm nothing but a peon.

Another related issue is how so much of the movie is CG. I think one of the greatest things about the original trilogy was it campy-ness with the crappy sets and effects. However, now that Lucas has the budget and the resources, he's [almost] overusing it in the movies.

my 2 cents. take it or leave it....

Yoda ... (1)

agurkan (523320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683052)

... flies like a butterfly, stings like a bee.

I, for one, loved the scene.

Sadly Undignified (5, Insightful)

blink3478 (579230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683057)

The animators were right all along, and I had a small piece of my childhood die watching Yoda leap around like a gymnist on crack. Yoda was my favorite character growing up, and that fight scene made no sense. I remember a video I saw of the guy who invented Aikido in the 1900s - I forget his name now. He was a wizened old man in the video, probably pushing ninety years old, his diciples had long-since taken over teaching their own varieties of aikido, and he still showed up in his dojo to train his students and give little demonstrations. What he lacked in mobility and strength he made up for in grace and economy of movement, and I watched as he would toss aside the students with little hand movements or slow sweeping gestures. The students could attack in piles, and still they would be tossed aside like leaves. It was really magical to watch such an old man possessed of such power. Anyway - that's how Yoda should have fought. He should have been slow, graceful and easily dispatched his enemies using only the force. He had no business using a lightsaber, and had no reason to spring about like a ping pong ball. Lastly, the reason Yoda and Boba Fett were awesome characters in the original trilogy was because they were mysterious - unknown pasts, unknown barely hinted-at abilities under the surface. Lucas destroyed their mystique by making them full fleshed-out characters in AOTC.

Re: Sadly Undignified (2, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683091)


> Anyway - that's how Yoda should have fought. He should have been slow, graceful and easily dispatched his enemies using only the force.

Yeah, but how many action figures would he sell that way?

> Lastly, the reason Yoda and Boba Fett were awesome characters in the original trilogy was because they were mysterious - unknown pasts, unknown barely hinted-at abilities under the surface. Lucas destroyed their mystique by making them full fleshed-out characters in AOTC.

Kind of like his inspiring "explanation" of The Force in E1, eh?

Maybe it was only me.... (2)

xinit (6477) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683064)

Despite the fact that I kept picturing kermit doing the fighting with all that bouncing around, I was simply glad that there were no frozen-time effects. Last thing we need is more homage paid to The Matrix with bullet time...

Bring back scale models! (4, Interesting)

phallen (145919) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683069)

This Start Wars CG stuff is crap. Did you see some of those graphics? Taking a bite of CG fruit from 3 inches way? Gimme a break.

I say bring back scale models! Watch the old movies. See how the X-Wings look real? That's because they are! How about that AT-AT or "Chicken-Walker"? They looked great, too. They're just small, but hell, WE can't tell.

Yoda as a CG didn't look as real (shaddows and debth looked off), the vehicles, cities, characters, monsters, animals... everything CG looked horrible, except maybe for the light-sabers and lasers.

Wait, I take it back: R2-D2 and C3P0 looked good... oh yeah, they were real! My bad.

I would love it if Lucus, for Epesode III, tossed the CG and brought back the models, rubber masks, and puppets.

Re:Bring back scale models! (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683102)

not all of R2D2 was real, when he was flying in the factory thing that was CG, of course thats when I noticed he looked shiney and weird , so heh

No kidding (1)

Clue4All (580842) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683088)

They thought it was unseemly and undignified for Yoda to bounce through the fight like a Superball loose in a toy store.

That's because it was. This part of the movie really sickened me and should never have been in there. Yoda was a wise, old master. He didn't need to fight, and yet still retained qualities of power and intimidation as a Jedi Master. This movie was nothing but cheap effects and this was the worst of them by far.

Right On Right On!! (0)

GrendelWraith (20481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683104)

This is the one example I give to folks about why I did not like ATC. Granted there are many more but this one stuck out the most. Just because Lucas made the crowd ooh and ahh doesn't mean he did it right.

I think the animators were right.

He could have accomplished so much more by never even moving his feet.

What is cooler? A jedi that has to jump off the ground for every stroke. NEVER touching his target and showing no forthought?

Or one who stands their ground defending themselves when attacked, pressing only for a resolution to the immediate confilct. And using the force to gauge his opponent protect himself and ensure his victory.

If folks hadn't figured it out, Lucas stole from popular culture when creating the original Episodes.

He must have figured if it worked once it should work again.

Only problem is our pop culture now is so devoid of any meaning that it poisons the story.

Example: He stole from The Matrix in the design of the cloning tanks, again on the hand gesture from Yoda to initiate combat, again with Yoda's obsesion over acrobatics over substance. And can anyone not see the obvious link between Gladiator and the execution sequence.

I could go on about many of the other reasons but this truely shows that Lucas is nothing more than a regurgitator of Pop trash.

Can anyone truely belive that the baddest Jedi master couldn't even make ONE touch on his enemy? Do you think that when Doku starts the pillar falling that it wouldn't have been a hell of a lot easier to just redirect the pillar onto Doku's ship rather than showing off by levitating it?

Lucas destroyed all of the mysticism around yoda in less than 5 Minutes.

The Jedi are an order of knights... (3, Insightful)

mir@ge (25727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3683107)

...and knights are combatants. It only makes sense for their most respected member to be able dish it out when necessary.

That said, Yoda is more in touch with the light side of the force than all of them. When he is a peace it flows through him and he can do wonders. I personally thought that he should just have "relaxed" and start tossing Doku around like a rag doll when he wipped out the light saber. It is peace that has always been Yoda's ally not violence. I think the Yoda we see in AOTC is more rash and youthful himself. He is arrogant and still has a lesson to learn.

Where's the hero's journey? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3683119)

fexter (original story submitter) here...

It's only fair to note that the article concludes that it was cool for Yoda to do this, after all:

But, boy, were they wrong: The scene has played like gangbusters, and Yoda is by far the most popular character in the new film (as a recent EW.com poll confirms). He even became the star of the ads, which dropped romantic-lead costars Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen for him.

But I think this points out the bigger flaw with the movie: that a mentor character becomes, with ease, more popular than the supposed heroes.

I think the writing and direction were the root cause of this.

This article:

http://nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/sto ri es/20020525/299070.html

was really spot on. All about the missing rogue character.

Lucas talks all about Joseph Campbell's mythology structure, which focuses on the hero's journey. But somehow, in the last two movies, Lucas has managed to avoid giving us any heroes we could enjoy watching.

Sure, he has given us a couple characters who we at least like, but that doesn't mean they're heroes who we root for all the way along, and who we grow *with*. The most recent two movies are more of a series of events than heroes' journeys.

fexter, ashintaro.com [ashintaro.com]
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