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Is it Wrong to Accept an Employment Counter-Offer?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the survival-tips-for-the-work-place dept.

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An Anonymous Coward asks: "I was happily working away at a low-paying but otherwise good job I'd had for several months, after taking a huge pay cut when the dot.bomb bubble burst. Then a recruiter contacted me with a very nice potential position - I interviewed and received an offer with a 50% increase in pay, everything else nearly the same. When I received the offer and decided I was interested, I broke the news to my current employer - to my surprise they extended a counter-offer with a matching salary, thereby eliminating my only reason for considering the other job. However, I talked to some friends and checked the web for ideas and realized that there are a *lot* of ppl out there who believe you should never accept a counter-offer. They make some good points, and there are a lot of those pages - but on the web popularity breeds increased popularity, in a self-feeding cycle, so I'm wondering if the numbers are skewed unrealistically. Is it really that rare to do well by accepting a counter-offer? Do Slashdot readers have experience with counter-offers from present employers, positive or negative?"

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3693955)

Frosty Piss

Suck it CLIT!!!

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3693992)

w00t, first post for AC's worldwide.

All CLIT r teh sux.

No. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3693968)

No. The answer is no, it's not wrong to accept an employment counter-offer.

I say take it (-1, Offtopic)

indros13 (531405) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693974)

I have no experience in the matter, but with a chance to be first post, I say go for it!

Do Not Accept (2, Informative)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693980)

I did that once... I stayed for about 3 more weeks and then went right out the door...

Do what's best for you. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3693981)

If you like where you're at stay. If not leave. Ignore all the extranious bs and make an unclouded decision.

Take the Counter (3, Interesting)

FatHogByTheAss (257292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693982)

The linked 10 reasons are all bullshit. If the company likes you enough to match the offer, and you are otherwise happy where you are, take it. All you've shown your company is that you have goals, too.

Most employers like that.

Re:Take the Counter (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694118)

Mostly people leave for other reasons than just money. Since in this case it's only about money , you can take the counter. In those other situations, money turns out to be incapable of making up for the downsides of the job.

Why not earlier (5, Insightful)

rossz (67331) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693984)

If they gave a damn about you, why didn't they pay you more before? Will you need to get a new job offer every time you want a raise?

Re:Why not earlier (4, Insightful)

shuffle40 (520862) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694010)

Don't be so naive. If you don't ask for a raise, you don't get it. When is the last time a company ever offered you a raise with no prodding (other than the usual token raise once per year)? I have had that happen, but it is definitely not the "norm". Ask and ye shall receive!

Re:Why not earlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694067)

I once got a 50% raise without asking... it *does* happen. Albeit rarely.

Re:Why not earlier (0, Troll)

unicron (20286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694079)

Yeah, but what's two more bucks an hour to a monster like McDonald's?

Re:Why not earlier (5, Informative)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694115)

> If they gave a damn about you, why didn't they pay you more before?

I doubt there were any dirty motives behind the company not raising pay by leaps and bounds.

It's in a company's best interest to pay workers as little as they can get away with. If said worker happens to be one of those quiet non-complaining sorts, it's easy to get lost in the paperwork and never see a raise.

That does not by implication indicate they don't value the employee, nor are unwilling to pay more for the same employee. They're just being practical, and assuming that if no one is complaining then everyone is happy and there's no reason to rock the boat.

Trying to keep the employee with a counter-offer is surely better than them shrugging it off and making sure the door doesn't hit him in the ass on the way out.

always take the best job (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693985)

for yourself, regardless of current or prospective employer.

Jerry Vines, Ph.D. on Islam (emphasis added) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3693986)

Pluralists ''would have us to believe that Islamfnord is just as good as Christianity, but I'm here to tell you fnord, ladies and gentlemen, that Islamfnord is not just as good as Christianity,'' Vines said. ''Islamfnord was founded by Muhammadfnord, a demon-possessedfnord pedophilefnord who had 12 wivesfnord -- and his last one was a 9-year-old girlfnord. And I will tell you Allahfnord is not Jehovah either. Jehovah's not going to turn you into a terroristfnord that'll try to bomb fnordpeople and take the lives of thousands and thousandsfnord of people.''

Re:Jerry Vines, Ph.D. on Islam (emphasis added) (1)

V_drive (522339) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694101)

Although you make a good point, I'd still say it's good practice to reject counteroffers.

I would not stay (1)

montgomery (176658) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693987)

Listen, if they like you so much why didn't they give you the cash up front. Plus everyone else will hate you when they find out about your "trick" I would leave. There is no shame in coming back to your current employer when they realize how much they miss you.

Considering how many people (1)

cardshark2001 (444650) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693988)

read slashdot at work, don't expect too many worthwhile replies to this one, at least until after 5pm or so.

move on (1)

avandesande (143899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693991)

most of the time people who take counter offers leave anyway. You have lost your employer's trust. Move on.

Look out for number one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3693993)

Wrong or right. Do what's best for you and yours. Sure that may be the greedy answer but in the end, you are the one paying the price of the decision. The new company will hire some other tech junky and never remember your name.

Rules for Accepting Counter offers (3, Funny)

taya0001 (457928) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693994)

STEP 1. Review pros and cons of both worksite evaluate your current standing with your employer. Also look your future prospects with the company that you are considering employment at and your current company.

STEP 2. ?????????

STEP 3. Profit

Re:Rules for Accepting Counter offers (1)

stungod (137601) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694114)

Oh man, that's funny. I would mod you up if I had points.

It's a good thing they were Gnomes and not Trolls, otherwise you would have a modding conflict.

Re:Rules for Accepting Counter offers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694119)

Brilliant. I doublt most ppl got the South Park refrence... Damn funny!
The Underpants Gnomes rule!

Questionable... (4, Informative)

weez75 (34298) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693995)

I think once you've accepted a job offer you should definitely not entertain counters. However, the company making the offer understands that when they make an offer it is not a completed deal. If you wish to stay with your current employer simply state, "Thank you but I've decided it's in my best interest to stay where I am." Do not inform the other company that they matched your salary. The situation is simply you decided the other opportunity wasn't for you.

My friend had a counter offer... (1)

bsdparasite (569618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3693998)

He accepted it. And now, he is actually doing well. But there was a shift in his department. He wanted to do marketing instead of what he was doing, and they were happy to do the pay hike and change his designation. I believe it makes sense, if you want a change in career. Not just for money.

And the number one reason? (0, Flamebait)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694000)

Other than being an owned bitch now, I don't see anything wrong with accepting a counteroffer. But the question is: Can you sleep at night, knowing that you've whored yourself to the highest bidder?

Re:And the number one reason? (1)

shuffle40 (520862) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694060)

Other than being an owned bitch now, I don't see anything wrong with accepting a counteroffer. But the question is: Can you sleep at night, knowing that you've whored yourself to the highest bidder?

Sure I can! Why, I will be sleeping in a king size bed with a new fluffy pillows and satin sheets. Hell, maybe I could buy a new wife too..

Re:And the number one reason? (2)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694065)

actually.. I think I will sleep quite well on my bed MADE OUT OF MONEY.

Re:And the number one reason? (1)

Moonwick (6444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694074)

I think it sure beats "whoring" himself to the lowest, don't you?

Re:And the number one reason? (1)

toganet (176363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694078)

That's the only way I can sleep at night.

Re:And the number one reason? (1)

CowbertPrime (206514) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694080)

of course. It's pure profit to you. I'd be more worried about the *employer* being able to sleep at night.

Don't we all? (0)

vidalsasoon (555891) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694088)

It's called trying to live as well as possible while staying happy. VidalSasoon, Whore.

Re:And the number one reason? (1)

Everspiff (258320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694089)

Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard, he's happy in his job, just wasnt making as much money as he would like. Mabye he didnt ask for more money before the other offer, but who knows. As for being whored to the highest bidder, I take it that you work for free?

This is a perfectly valid question to ask oneself (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694096)

But there's nothing wrong with the answer being "Yes"

counter offers (2, Informative)

bbingham (145204) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694001)

Perfectly acceptable and normal employment practice. If you have solid professional relationship with your current management then you shouldn't worry about:
1) being considered a greedy troublemaker
2) why you weren't being properly compensated already.

Since salaries and duties seem to match, you have the luxury of considering other factors, like the impact on your commute, if any.

Good luck,
B2

you are your own man (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694002)

words from a friend of mine .."you are your own man"...
Look at it this way...you look out for yourself...if a company decided to lay you off..they will...if a company decides to pay you more...why not? If you really enjoy your current working environment and they are willing to pay you more...go for it...who knows what you will expect at the other place. In the end, like I said, you have to look out for yourself.

Do you really want the same job? (1, Redundant)

drclausen (467631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694004)

Do you really want to be working for a company that you have threaten to leave before you can get a pay raise?
Just something to think about....

David

Limated Experance (4, Insightful)

ThePilgrim (456341) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694005)

I have had only one joub that offered me a counter offer, which I took. The Company went bancrupt 2 months later and I was out of a job.

This probably wont happen to you, but you have to ask yourself why your last pay rise wasn't 50% if the you company is prepared to offer you this now.

No harm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694006)

My brother has done this twice and continued to work at the same company. They seemed to be able to recognize that he was underpaid and made adjustments.

He's continued to become more vital to their daily operations and is considered one of their best techs.

Changes in perception (2, Insightful)

Master Switch (15115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694007)

The only problem I see is that your current employer would then always wonder if you were looking for a new job. Not that it is a matter of trust, but I do think it would change their perception, and they might not see you as part of the team anymore. That may not be right, but we're talking human perceptions not right or wrong. Ultimately, what is your gut feeling, do you think your current employer would feel jaded, would the environment degrade making it an uneasy and unpleasant place to work. If not, then staying would be fine. That's the question you have to answer, as I see it

With the way IT jobs are going... (5, Insightful)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694008)

...jump on whatever you can get. At least with the counter-offer you know what to expect. Jumping ship for another company, you run the risk of entering a completely different corporate culture than what you are used to at your current job.

That's also a damn fine vote of confidence from your boss. I'd celebrate this weekend if I were you.

Reasons are nonsense (1)

Fantanicity (583135) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694011)

Accept it if you like the job.

If the does company get silly on you, you now know your skills are worth something somewhere else.

Reminiscent of the good old days (5, Informative)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694014)

Ah, back when a monkey could become a well-paid programmer... Those were the days.

If you feel the company really wants you to stay and isn't simply keeping you around to finish the current project, then I'd say stay.

The points on that page are very good, but it all really boils down to your relationship with your employer. If you feel like part of the team and you feel comfortable with the people you work with, stay. If you think this is just a ploy to give you your raise early and give you nothing when evaluations come around, then leave.

Current economy (3, Interesting)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694015)

In the current economy with staff cutbacks and furloughs becoming widespread, I would be extremely hesitant about accepting a counter-offer. If a company is offering you, as a new hire, what you want and you believe them to be stable, go for it. The amount of badwill generated in your current situation by asking for and accepting a counter-offer is too high a premium to pay.

Personal experience (5, Insightful)

_LORAX_ (4790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694017)

Don't accept it. Unless they are going to give you a bonified legal employment contract.... why...

Because otherwise you will be the first on their list when they are looking to get rid on someone to cut costs. You are not only disloyal ( not that companies are ever loyal to you ) but you are probably making more than others doing the same work.

Trust me, it's a bad game to play unless you are willing to accept that your employer will always be wondering if you are going to jumo ship again.

In the industry... (0)

REEVES (451388) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694020)

...You want to take what you can get. As a veteran of several of these situations, I've always taken counter-offers when possible. I know Linux better (esp. Slickware) than anyone I've met, so I can afford to ask for more money. The recession is making it difficult to find work, so accept the counter-offer. HTH.

I would have to say it depends... (5, Insightful)

keep_it_simple_stupi (562690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694021)

On whether you really like the company you work for or not. If you think they'll screw you when the time comes for cuts or another raise in the future, then you should move on. If you dig the place you work for now, then take the money. Most of the arguments on that website are BS anyway - such as "you can be bought"... Well no $hit sherlock... This is why you work, to make money. And besides, this isn't 20 or 30 years in the past where companies are actually loyal to you, I say go for the best deal!

Never accepted one (5, Insightful)

vluther (5638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694022)

I've never accepted one before, simply because it's a temporary solution. The company was happy paying you less, and all of sudden you get more and they can pay you ?. I guess it depends on the situation, but if you've worked your ass off, and management didn't see a need to give you a raise until you threatened to leave em, it's just a sign that they'll keep you on temporarily until they find someone to replace you. Unless you're in Job nirvana(which cannot exist), I would move to the new place. Sure there are risks when you change jobs, but you have to see your situation and take the plunge.

Never forget that these companies, will fire you even if you think the job is great and the people are great, they will fire you or.. rightsize you, if money is tight. They are in it for survival, and so are you.

I have to say this, but your loyalty should be to yourself and your family, not to anonymous shareholders or board of directors that never have lunch with you.

Take pride in your work, do it well, but do it for yourself, not the company.

I would not do it... (1)

Jasonr1023 (554686) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694023)

Think about it... you told your employer that you were going to leave.

The counter offer you to keep your position filled.

They now can search for your replacement, because they know you are no longer a loyal employee.

They find a replacement and fire you because you are not a loyal employee.

You now have no offer...

just my 10cents.

Besides, if the companuy you are so in love with was off by 50% in salary, then they were screwing you anyway...

Take it to your employer before resigning (3, Insightful)

pyite69 (463042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694025)


It is appropriate to point out to your employer
that you potentially could be making more
somewhere else, but you should do this before
you accept another offer, IMO.

If your employer says no way, then resign and
stick to it. If you accept a new offer, then
resign, and then change your mind due to a
counter-offer, you are breaking your word.

If the employer cares about you, kindly
pointing out that you can make significantly
more elsewhere is all it takes. If your
current employer waits until they get a true
resignation to do something about it, your
employer is the one with the problem.

silly (5, Insightful)

mrm677 (456727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694026)

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. A good employer will do whatever it takes, within reasonable bounds, to hold onto good employees. You should accept that as a complement and stick with your current job if you are happy with it. Its risky changing jobs...you might end up with a lousy manager or the company culture may stink.

w00g w00g (0, Offtopic)

VAXGeek (3443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694028)

what's a ppl?

Don't take it. (1)

gimple (152864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694030)

I look at it this way: Your current employer was exploiting you by paying you 1/2 of what you are worth. They are only paying you what you are worth because you were going to leave. To me this is deceitful.

Maybe you could ask them why they weren't paying you what you were actually worth. If they can't give you a satisfactory answer that you are comfortable with, leave. If you can live with their answer, maybe you stay.

I had a friend who, right before his annual review, told his supervisor that when it came to salary increase, the starting point should be the ammount of money they would offer if he told them he was leaving. It worked.

Re:Don't take it. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694053)

2/3 of what he was worth, dumbass.

I have accepted a counteroffer before (5, Informative)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694031)

Ok, its not really a counter-offer, but its close enough I thought I'd mention it. 3 years ago in a casual conversation with a higher-up I mentioned in passing that at times I was a little miffed, considering that other companies were paying nearly 50% more for people doing the same job that I was doing, and that it was tempting at times.

A few days later, I was offered, not quite 50% more money, but close enough to make me happy. I accepted, and have not noticed any of the problems listed in the link. My raises have not been affected, coming just as often and just as large. My relationship with my peers has not been affected, and since I'm still working at the same place, I obviously haven't been canned or decided to leave anyways yet.

Not quite the same situation, I know, but close.

well once upon a time (0)

OklaKid (552472) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694032)

i had a job paying 10 bucks a hour, it was a stable and long term source of income, and was offered a federal job doing the same thing for almost twice the pay (in the construction industry), but i know this job offer would not last (maybe 6 to 12 months) so i did not take it, what would you rather do, make big bucks for a short time or make medium sized bucks for a long long long time...

supply and demand (2)

sanermind (512885) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694033)


If nothing else, accepting the counter offer will cause the comapny that initially tried to recruit you to concievably make a similar offer to someone else [perhaps several others, if they each accept a corresponding counter offer from their own current employers, until finally one of them is not actually worth that much to their old company, and they will transfer their employment to someone who is willing to pay what it is worth.

Dont accept (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694036)

Your company should have been paying you based on your performance before.

Possible Danger (1)

dscottj (115643) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694037)

The only possible danger that I can think of is if you have paranoid bosses. They may decide that if you've gone looking once, you'll go looking again, and try to replace you with someone they think might be more loyal. Don't laugh, it's happened to me once.

Were I in your place I'd go with my gut instincts. But always remember that you know what your current job is like. How sure can you be about a new place?

Do take it; don't listen to bs (1)

a nanny mouse (46340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694038)

Don't listen to the "they should have valued you more before.." BS. If the company is BROKE then obviously they would like to pay you as little as possible. They must need you, but couldn't afford to voluntarily give you a raise. But now they know you want more money, and that's fine. Take it and stay. Who says the new company won't bust soon?

Honesty worked for me (5, Informative)

Dil NaOH (415834) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694039)

I accepted a counter-offer from my current company three years ago when I had an opportunity to take a lucrative contracting position elsewhere. I told my boss that I had no desire to leave the company, but that I have a responsibility to my family to be the best provider for them that I can be. He accepted that explanation, tendered a counter-offer, and I chose to stay. I have survived two layoffs since.

why didn't they pay you to begin with? (1, Troll)

bluGill (862) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694040)

If a company really wanted you to stay, and thought you were worth 50% more than they are paying you, why didn't they pay you 50% more to begin with and prevent you from looking. They were mistreating you, if they were willing to pay you 50% more, and didn't until you quit. They will only do it again.

If the new offer was 1% more, and they then went 2% more, I could accept that, you might gain that much more value between reviews, (but at review time your raise should be less...). Frankly they don't think you are worth 50% more, they just want a few months to train your replacement.

Dogs are loyal. People work for money and job satisfaction. If they are willing to pay your more than they are, then they didn't try their best to satisfy you, and you should assume they will not.

A man of his word will not back out of an agreement once made for money. It looks like you consider money more than your word, and that is bad. Once you quit, you are out. They can hire you again in a month if you don't like to new place, but you owe the new place your honest word.

hmm (2, Insightful)

wankle (27651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694041)

I think it depends on what kind of relationship you have with your current boss. If you can talk openly about wanting to leave, and there's no bullshit politics about loyalty, etc. then you should stay.

If there are going to be problems generated by the fact that you thought about leaving, then don't stay.

I know I could tell my boss "hey, this sucks, I want out." and he would understand, and we could talk about it, but I've had jobs that the fact that I even THOUGHT about leaving would cause problems.

The bigger the company, the easier it is to stay I think, too. Since there's generally more of a personal stake for managers, and people feel closer to the company.

That's my take on it. It's all about how it will affect your boss's relationship with you.

counter offer (1)

kichiguy (469224) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694043)

I would *never* accept a counter-offer. When you get one you have to ask "How long have I deserved the extra money?" It's like an employer admitting they've been cheating you by not paying you what you are worth. Perhaps if they would give you all of the appropriate back pay ....

under the couNTer offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694044)

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Respect.... (5, Insightful)

leucadiadude (68989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694047)

Do you think you will retain it from your boss/co-workers?

And do you have enough of it towards your boss to give your boss the chance to retain you?

Seems only fair to give the person who hired you the chance to counter in good faith. By that I mean accept the counter and evaluate it honorably, don't give lip service about it. If it is a good offer be prepared to take it.

Like a counteroffer for a G/F? (3, Funny)

ender_wiggins (81600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694048)

If you chick found another guy, and then you counter offered her, and she accepted, you know that she has been looking, and will continue to look untill she finds someone that you cant compeate with!

change of view (3, Interesting)

Bandman (86149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694051)

I think that I'd go with the first offer, just for a change of pace. I really like moving around, because I get bored if I'm in one place too long. Luckily, the job that I have now, I started as technical support, and then they moved me to assistant network administrator, so I haven't gotten bored yet. or maybe I'm just weird....

Recruitment Agents (1)

little_id (513727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694056)

Although some of the ten points for not accepting a counter are true you have to remember that you are dealing with a recruitment agency that is going to get 10% or more of your new salary if you move.

Of course they want you to move.

Re:Recruitment Agents (1)

Genus Marmota (59217) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694110)

So what? The employer pays.

Take it! (4, Insightful)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694057)

You probably could/should've demanded more before (though that's generally a no-no unless you threaten to go elsewhere) but I don't see why not to take the deal if you're happy with your job. While the other job "looks" the same, it likely isn't. Things that can make working miserable usually aren't seen until they are busy making you miserable.

deja-vu? (1)

Allaria (547479) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694062)

So will it all happen again if you go for the counter-offer? I say it will. While you lose the comfort of your current job by taking on the new one, you also gain experience.

Chances are, if your boss is offering a counter-offer, he still likes you and will give you a good reference if needed in the future. I'd fear that he would re-cut your salary and all around treat you like crap if you took it though. He's probably just afraid that all the little things will fall apart after you leave, but that happens when *anyone* leaves a job. If he cut it before, there's a good chance he'll cut it again. I say go for the other employment, mix up your life a bit.

Depends on your situation (4, Insightful)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694063)

You should have tried to get a raise first. That would have cleared a lot of things up. But that said, you didn't, so...

If you are an important asset to the company that can't be easily replaced, you like your job, and your company trusts you, you might be able to get away with staying. If not you should be very hesitant.

The problem is that you've already signalled to your company that you are thinking about leaving. If you're going to stay, you should assure them that money was the only problem, you made a mistake by not talking to them first, and you won't repeat that mistake in the future. Otherwise expect that they are going to start looking for your replacement immediately, and as soon as they find her that 50% increase will be meaningless.

Don't listen to anyone who tells you definitively one way or another what to do. Only you know your specific situation, and how trustworthy your boss is.

Warning! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694064)

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Don't take it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694066)

Obviously if they screwed you once by giving you a 50% pay cut they will do it again. If you take the new job things have the potential to get better. By staying where you are things can only get worse.

Seriously: Don't. (1)

HHaygood (40026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694068)

You've just proved your disloyalty. That disloyalty will mean that the next time things get rough, management will have no qualms about letting bad things happen to you first, instead of their other loyal employees. It will also be taken into consideration when they consider things like raises, promotions, and such.

Accepting a counteroffer shows that not only are you disloyal, but greedy as well, since they were able to get you back just by handing you more money.

In the long term, it can amount to career suicide. You may not notice it at first, but four years from now, when you finally notice the career stagnation, you'll know where to point the blame: right on yourself.

dangerous in smaller specialties (2)

peter303 (12292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694069)

In some of the smaller tech sub-specialties, or a somewhat confined geographic market "everyone knows everyone". That means, unless you become a burger-flipper, your job decisions will dog you for years, if not decades. Even despite the size of a specialty, you'd be surprised when re-encounter people. The guy you dis'ed last month might be a future hiring manager, customer, vendor, etc. I've seen this countless times. So it always advised to act with the maximum of poise, despite the urge to be negative.

No Problem with that (2, Interesting)

jtshaw (398319) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694070)

I think it is reasonable to except a counter offer. The fact that your current company is willing to counter does tell you something about how important they think you are for there business.

Basically, you are in a really good possition now, you can choose any path you wish. So evaluate both companies. Look at the people you will be working with, the stability of the company, all those things I am sure you are considering anyway, and pick which one seams best for you. In fact, you should have a smile on your face, because in an economy where many can't find a job, you have two!

Get it in writing... (4, Insightful)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694071)

Your current employer may be simply up the creek with you gone. They might be planning to replace you at their convienience at a later time. Since they need you up until then, they might just offer you an equivalent salary.

My advice: this is a great time to visit a labor lawyer and write up a termination contract. Just put something down about your termination on a "non-performance" basis. This way, if they decide to fire you without documentation of poor performance, then you will have a termination clause (just ask for like 6 months of pay or something like that).

There would be no reason for your current employer not to sign the contract since they are supposedly matching the offer based on your performance. It guarantees them that you will perform as well in the future and it guarantees you that your job won't disappear without a hefty severance.

Don't get too hung up on principle (5, Insightful)

kevin42 (161303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694072)

I think that list is a bunch of crap. Companies don't just pay what they think you are worth, they pay what they think will keep you working for them up until the point they think you aren't worth the money you want.

In otherwords if you accepted the job for $40k and they know you are worth $100k, most companies aren't going to walk over and say "you know, you are underpaid, here's $60k a year more." No, they will say "great job, here's a $5k a year raise!

But when it comes down to you demanding more, or telling them you are leaving they will pay you what they need to in order to keep you.

Too many people look at employment as a personal relationship, but it is much better for everyone to remember that it is a bussiness relationship for both the employee and employer.

Some good points, but some wrong ones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694075)

Ok, they do have a few good points. However:

Accepting a counteroffer is an insult to your intelligence and a blow to your personal pride; you were bought.
So what? Why are you working unless it's to make money? I have no problem with being bought.

All companies have wage and salary guidelines which must be followed
I know this isn't always true. Pay can certainly be given completely arbitrarily without following guidelines.

Statistics. (4, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694076)

[From the article:]

* Statistics show that if you accept a counteroffer, the probability of voluntarily leaving in six months or being let go in one year is extremely high.

Well, hey, with rock-solid information like that to go on, I'd be a fool to accept a counteroffer.

After all, if you can't accept vague, unsubstatiated, unaccountable claims on the Internet as gospel, you just can't trust anyone.

--saint

Depends on your boss's discretion (2)

Fastball (91927) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694077)

If you trust your boss or whoever offered the counter-offer, and I mean *trust*, to keep salaries and such discrete, then I don't see there being a problem accepting a counter-offer.

If, however, you work for a politically charged, highly structured company, then you're begging to become a corporate pariah. Someone in the chain of command will find out you're "holding them up for more money" and will do one of three things: 1) make your salary requirements public domain, 2) demand that you take on twice the responsibilities you previously had, or 3) begin a festering passive-aggressive campaign to make your life thoroughly miserable.

Personally, you're selling your time and abilities for a price, and if you aren't looking to maximize your take-home $, then you're probably not getting enough out of your job and capitalism on the whole.

unspoken breech of trust. (2)

tcd004 (134130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694081)

Once you're throgh that looking-glass, your employer will never really trust you again. They may simply be extending you that offer to keep you on long enough to find a replacement for your position at a lower price.

In any case, they'll always be looking over their shoulder at you, expecting you to find new and exciting ways to ratchet up your salary. Not a good place to be.

Good Luck!

Just dont' work for this guy: [lostbrain.com]

tcd004

I Generally Would Not (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694082)

The danger in accepting a counter-offer that's purely compensation-based is that the current employer may feel that they've been "extorted" into it, thus creating a feeling of resentment on their part. Also your "company loyalty" has now been called into question.

I've only once even *entertained* the idea of considering a counter-offer. And in that instance I did accept it. But the reason for the impending job move was *not* financial at all. The current job had not been offering me the kind of job-growth opportunities I wanted. Financially: it was about even-up. My current employer understood completely. Understood so well, in fact, that they decided that giving me that opportunity would aid their own business growth. So the next day (completely unexpectedly, btw) they made me a counter-offer I couldn't refuse.

If it had been purely a financial thing, I would've never considered it. In fact: since I went from hourly to salaried, I actually took a pay *cut*.

Take it. (1)

TeamSPAM (166583) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694084)

If you like your current job, then take the counter offer and stay.

As for companies, I'm not sure it's a good idea for them to make counter offers. It can cause some employees to go on interviews just to get pay increases. In other cases, the company does make a counter offer, the employee takes it, but ends up leaving withing 6 months anyway. Now maybe in that 6 months, you pumped the employee for the critical information that he/she had and can now let them go.

Why not (1)

Simon Hibbs (74836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694085)


I see nothing wrong whatever with accepting a counter offer. After all, it's not all that uncommon for people to start a new job, and then find for various reasons they don't like the job/working environemnt/management style, or whatever and leaving soon anyway.

Why expose yourself, and your potential new employer to that risk if you like your current job? It's a streightforward case of prefering to be loyal to your current employer, when there's no longer any good case to leave.

Simon Hibbs

Counter-Offer Means You're Being Underpaid (2)

goldspider (445116) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694090)

Most of my point is in the subject line. If an employer is willing to pay me more to stay with the company, it tells me that I'm not currently being paid what I'm worth to the company. It does not mean that I have unreasonable expectations; if that were the case, the company simply wouldn't make a counter-offer, and let me go work for the other company.

Counteroffers, bad! (2, Informative)

dmuth (14143) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694091)

I never liked the idea of counteroffers much, because the whole concept is that you have to pretty much threaton to quit before your employer will give you a raise. That doesn't set up a good social dynamic at your job, either. Your employer will remember that you're not as "loyal" as the other employees, and if there's ever a round of layoffs, you'll have two strikes against you: you'll cost the company more to keep around, and they'll percieve you as being "disloyal".

There is another good article about counteroffers here [prosearch.com] . You may also wish to read this article [prosearch.com] about how to resign from a job.

Good luck!

do not accept (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694093)

I did that about a year ago, and I am still stuck in the same job. It was a suck job before, but it is even worse now. I'm kept away from doing any of the interesting projects because I'm seen as a flight risk.

Why are you there? (2)

gizmo_mathboy (43426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694094)

Are you at your currently employer because you like the job?

The danger of the counter-offer is "lost loyalty". Your current company may look at you differently. However, I think that most companies no longer care how loyal you are to them as evidenced by the staggering amount of layoffs in the last few years.

I did have a friend accept a counter-offer. He stayed at the job for about 18 months before he left for another job.

The point is that maybe there is something you're aren't happy with at you current company.

Why should executives have all the fun? (1)

Adrenochrome (555529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694100)

Execs are always going to the board with schemes to get more company dollars in their pockets. Guaranteed bonuses, stock options and the like. Why should they have all the fun?

I almost forgot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694104)

That reminds me, I have to renew my Monster resume...

The only reason to accept the counter-offer may be (1)

WetCat (558132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694106)

Only if your bosses really forgot how low you'd been paid
previous months.
Seriously, it happens. Big bosses can forget
how they are paying the particular man in their kingdom...

There's nothing wrong with a counteroffer (1)

Maxwells Demon (112979) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694109)

People seem to be saying that you shouldn't stay since the company didn't give you the pay in the first place. In my experience, if you tell your management (as part of the agreement to stay) that you expect career / salary advancement if you stay, they'll give it to you.

They've shown they want to keep you, you just need to tell them what it will take (over time, not just right now) to keep you.

Good luck!

Never say never... (1)

xonker (29382) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694111)

Most of the reasons that were linked to this story were highly conditional - yes, your employer might decide to try to replace you or you might be the first person laid off - then again, they might really value you and want to keep you.

Since you're the only person who really knows what your workplace is like, you're the only one who can really judge whether you'll still be happy if you stay there - and what you're giving up by leaving. If the money is the only issue, you might think about staying. You've already established yourself there, it's a known quantity. Leaving could be a mistake, staying could be a mistake. But it's impossible to say since there are too many variables to post in an "ask Slashdot."

I've accepted counteroffers before, and I've turned them down before too.I turned down more money to stay at a job where I wasn't appreciated and the money wasn't the real issue in the first place. I've accepted a counteroffer when I liked my original employer, but was approached with an offer that wasn't solicited.

Hell, I'd wager that a good 25% to 50% of the people reading this are just wishing they could find a good job right now... never mind choosing between two decent salaries...

I did that once (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694117)

When you accept a counter-offer of your current employer, it's like having a new position in the
same company. They will pay you more, but they
will expect more from you. Sometimes it's bad,
because you have to do all the stuff you always do plus a lot more. Sometimes is good, because you can learn a lot more, expose those abilities you have and nobody else notice, in short, it's a opportunity to build a new carrer path and become a better professional in the same company. That's my opinion.

Things to think about: (2)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3694122)

Make sure you know your direct manager well before accepting the raise. You'd also do well to get input from other long-term employees (if any) about your company's psychology and upper management's view on such things.

The company I'm at now, if a counter-offer were made, would become pretty hostile if I were to accept and stay. I'd be treated as a beggar.

One of the corporations I worked at previously, gave a counter when I was ready to leave. I stayed, with a nearly 33% raise. My immediate manager was really pissed off for a while, but upper management saw it as a good thing, and my relationship with the company didn't suffer, and I subsequently moved up quickly through the positions.

Bottom line: If your company isn't going to hold a grudge, it's the path of least resistance to stay and accept.
But take a quick look around, and ask yourself if you were seeking new employment solely for a pay increase, or are there other reasons you wanted to leave.

there's more than one way to look at this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3694123)

Where I work, my boss and his boss can't change "company" policy.

In a recent promotion attempt, they had problems getting the HR department to give the promotion they wanted to give me. (said there was no comparable positions, blah blah blah).

My boss told me that the only way I could get it was to get an offer from somewhere else. YES, he encouraged me to do this.

I did, and guess what, HR backed down and they even matched.
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