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Baked Alaska

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the beachfront-property-in-north-dakota dept.

News 632

mithras the prophet writes "Global warming stories usually focus on the hotbutton politics, scientific debate, or latest disturbing anecdote of receding ice. A very interesting New York Times story takes a different tack, highlighting the reality of climate change for small-town Alaskans. Whatever the cause, temperatures in Alaska have risen by seven degrees in the last 30 years. This has very real consequences for ordinary citizens; the rest of us would do well to consider their stories. Lucy Eningowuk and her 600 fellow citizens of Shishmaref will vote next week whether to move their town to the mainland. Despite community efforts, thawing of permafrost and wave action from melting ice has eroded away most of the land the village is built on. Residents of Barrow (warning: MIDI-enabled page), on the North Shore, are swatting mosquitos for the first time in their lives. In an ironic twist, managers of the Trans-Alaska Oil Pipeline are putting in supports to keep the pipeline from breaking as permafrost thaws."

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632 comments

I live in Alberta (1, Troll)

Tim_F (12524) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712072)

Our Premiere is currently very anti Kyoto, and yet we see every day the effects that global warming is having on this province and in Canada. It is the people that focus on capitalism that will lead to the downfall of our species, for they are too short sighted to look into alternatives for the fossil fuels that we use in our daily lives.

I LIVE IN YOUR LABIUM (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712094)

What nonsense! THis FP should be mine, but for some reason I can't log in, and I can't refresh. This is g0ifndsagsFUCK YOU

-CYBORGmonkeysmother.

Re:I live in Alberta (1, Troll)

atrowe (209484) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712135)

Your Premiere is a very smart man, then. The Kyoto treaty was a notoriously bad idea, and I applaud those few nations who had the gumption to stand up for themselves and abstain from signing into the treaty. Many Asian and European countries who signed Kyoto are now regretting their decision.

Now, I'm not implying that cutting pollution is a Bad Thing(tm), but merely that Kyoto is a restrictive and impractical way to cut pollution output. Air and water quality in most first-world nations is far cleaner today than it was 30 years ago, and we're improving upon this yearly. Cars burn less fuel, and the fuel they do burn is burned much more efficiently, than older cars. Factories have installed pollution scrubbers on their smokestacks, and have ceased dumping waste into the water supply. People are also more aware of the environment these days, and community recycling programs are reducing waste going into landfills. Capitalism has done its job and continues to do so in improving environmental quality every day. There is no need for government mandated pollution reduction, and to attempt to legislate such a reduction plan would waste billions of dollars. The Democrats can whine and moan all they want, but the Capitalist system WORKS. Big Business is policing itself and the quality of our environment is improving constantly.

you have got to be kidding me (3, Interesting)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712145)

every one of the improvements you cited is a result of government mandated pollution controls. So you give examples of the successes of government mandated pollution controls as a proof that we dont need government mandated pollution controls. hmm ok.

Re:I live in Alberta (1)

lambadomy (160559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712163)

You make some interesting points, but you seem to miss the fact that none of those things were done by capitalism, they were done by government mandated controls.

Also, as a fellow card carrying mensa member, it's spelled Tolerance. Maybe I need to rethink my membership.

Re:I live in Alberta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712281)

Also, as a fellow card carrying mensa member, it's spelled Tolerance. Maybe I need to rethink my membership.

I take it that having a sense of humor isn't a prerequisite for being a member then.

Re:I live in Alberta (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712204)

LOL, capitalism only works if you have a fully informed consumer. Now take your "money ethic" and take a hike. I won't dare call you conservative as I am a conservative, just not one that ignores truths. Detroit started making more fuel efficient cars because the government told them too. SUV's don't fall under the same classification as your typical family sedan and as you can see, capitalism is failing as they use more resources and are quite popular. So much for Mensa heh?

Re:I live in Alberta (1)

Medevo (526922) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712200)

I also live in Alberta, and as many of us know this is been the coldest spring in about 5-6 years. For most have April and may we had rain and snow. Now, in June, southern Alberta received up to 120cm (that's 4 feet for you Americans).

Global warming that

Medevo

Re:I live in Alberta (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712216)

Where I live, Colorado, there is a nice little drought taking place. In the last month we've had a few hard rains which led to me hearing, "What drought?" several times. The wildfires and half empty lakes apparently don't count apparently. How long till the masses realize climate is long term?

Re:I live in Alberta (2, Interesting)

TMLink (177732) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712246)

How long till the masses realize climate is long term?

Exactly. And how many years of good data do we have on the earth's climate? 150? 200? So who can say for sure the reasons for Global Warming.

The temperature is increasing...but does that mean we're heading for disaster, or is this the earth working as it always has?

Re:I live in Alberta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712221)

Tell you what. Us "evil capitalists" will just pull out of Alaska, stop trading and providing products to Alasaka and stop buying items from Alaska. Then everyone in that state can go back to living off whale blubber and living in ice-caves and dying of old-age at 19.

What's next? More whining about the north pole melting? I'm astonished by the number of idiots who cry that the world is goin to flood because the north pole might someday melt. Haven't people ver heard of displacement? the north pole is made of ice. If it melts, the water levels around the world will not change one drop.

Re:I live in Alberta (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712236)

you fscking moron. Ever heard of the South Pole? Did ya know it was a continent? So when all that ice melts it adds water to the total volume?

Re:I live in Alberta (1)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712266)

Haven't people ver heard of displacement? the north pole is made of ice. If it melts, the water levels around the world will not change one drop.

I guess you've never melted an ice cube. Water takes up much more space than ice does because cold makes things contract and heat makes things expand.

fuck (-1)

syc (584762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712076)

all of you FP

Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712083)

So it's warm in Alaska now. Well, gee, here in Massachusetts, it's cold as fuck, and has been for quite a while! It's June 16 and feels like it's not even 50 degrees F outside! I guess my anecdotal evidence cancels out yours...

Re:Wow! (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712123)

That's because Massachusetts is farter from the Equator than Alaska, idiot!

Warning! (1)

doooras (543177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712084)

If you live on an iceberg, beware of possible melting!

Re:Warning! (1)

Seahawk91 (585715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712222)

True, True

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712086)

fp

Well then... (3, Funny)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712087)

...they had better hurry up and make Mystery, Alaska 2 [imdb.com] while they still can!

~Philly

YUPPIE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712090)

FIRST POST :)

Did it !

Re:YUPPIE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712152)

That was a pathetic first post attempt.
more like LAST FROST

Re:YUPPIE (-1)

Mr. FullOfHate (584259) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712160)

The only thing you "did it" with is a farm animal.

Baked in alaska (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712096)

How can they grow good weed in alaska? Thats eskimo grass... sticks and seeds.

Re:Baked in alaska (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712170)

Probably part of it is having a large season of sunlight, lots of time to grow =)

Re:Baked in alaska (-1)

Mr. FullOfHate (584259) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712194)

Druggies like you are a major cause of crime and child molestation. Remember, though: it's never too late to commit suicide.

The extremes always change first (1, Insightful)

yasth (203461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712097)

I can't say I am suprised. The extremes always change first. Esp. when things are adapted to a very very specific and hard to live in climate, even a little bit of change can allow things that once would have died.

Hmm I wonder if the remaining forest will move north now that it is a bit warmer?

Re:The extremes always change first (5, Interesting)

Earthling (146872) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712272)

More forested areas are always a good thing, but there are non-negligible consequences that we shouldn't overlook.

Take the caribou situation in northern Quebec, Canada. One million caribous reside in the vast artic-tundra northern regions of that province. Every year, thanks to a warming climate, virginia deers living in the forests of southern Quebec adventure a little more to the north, carrying with them a worm called the Parelaphostrongylus tenuis. The problem is that this worm, benign to the deer, is instantly fatal (a few days at most) to the caribou. At their current rate of progression, the deer and caribou population will meet in less than a decade.

What happens then to the million caribous is left as an excercise to the reader.

here u go cocksmokers (-1)

syc (584762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712101)

Dell hated working on holidays, away from home, all alone, and bored stiff, not a very pleasant way to spend Christmas day, and worse yet, the surroundings really sucked, seeing as he was a deputy sheriff of Hall County, and had jail duty for the day. Someone had to man the phones and watch the prisoners, well that should be "prisoner" as there was only one inmate being held in the county jail, and she was doing six months for writing bad checks. "Not a bad lookin' dame," thought Dell, "with a body like that, you would figure she would get some rich guy to take care of her!" At exactly twelve noon the front door opened and in came Donna Winston, the wife of Sheriff Winston, with two full plates of Christmas dinner, one for Dell and one for the prisoner. "Thanks a bunch Mrs. W," gushed Dell, as he took a deep whiff of the turkey, gravy, and sweet potatoes, "I can see why Bill married you, he knew he'd never go hungry!" Donna just laughed, and in an instant was out the door and on her way back home. Dell unwrapped one of the plates and carried it back to the cell block, where Lila Thomas was lying on her bed while reading an old People magazine. "Got some home made dinner for ya, Lila," Dell said, as he unlocked the cell and placed the steaming plate on the small dining table. "Thanks, Dell," she replied in a grateful voice, "at least I can have a good meal on Christmas, even if I am all alone and in jail!" "Yeah," he said, "if ya need anything just give me a holler, I'll be right out front." Dell then went back to his desk where he sat down to eat his dinner. It was 10:00pm when Dell was roused from his nap with ringing of the prisoner call buzzer, and after taking a few seconds to get his bearings, Dell ambled to the rear of the jail to see what Lila needed, "Probably had to use the can," he thought. When he got there, she was standing by the cell door with a towel in her hands. "Deputy," she asked, "would it be okay if I took a shower, I know that I'm not due for one until tomorrow, but I feel really grimy, and it's Christmas, and I kinda hoped you could make an exception." Dell knew the prisoners weren't suppose to be in the shower unless there were at least two officers in the facility at the same time, but well, this was Christmas, and he hadn't gotten one call all day, so what harm could it do? Unlocking the cell door, he replied, "Yeah, I guess that would be all right, it's pretty slow out here anyway!" He led the way to the communal shower room and waited outside while she went in by herself. Pretty soon her heard the spray of water and the feeling of dampness permeate the air as steam poured out of the warm shower room into the cool hallway. Lila called out, "Thanks for letting me clean up deputy, I really appreciate it!" Before he could reply, he heard a loud thud and a low groan come from the shower room. He ran into the steam filled room yelling, "Are you all right, did you fall!?!" When he found her, she was lying on her back, and holding her ankle. Dell turned off the water and helped Lila to her feet. This was the first time he had ever seen her naked, and to say she was a stunner would have been an understatement! Her full chest had large prominent nipples, and her fully exposed pussy had a thick growth of black pubic hair that tried in vain to hide her full cunt lips. She put her arm around his shoulder and hobbled over to a bench that was up against the far wall. After sitting down she rubbed her leg and asked Dell to see if he thought it was broken. Having lifted her injured leg up onto the bench, Lila's pussy was wide open and slightly agape, and while Dell nervously checked her swollen ankle for any sign of a break, Lila casually dropped her hand to her pussy and calmly began fingering herself! Dell stood up and started to leave, mumbling something about getting her a towel, but she grabbed him by the arm and pulled him back to her while saying in a husky voice, "Not so fast deputy, it's been three months since I've had a cock, and I can't think of a better Christmas present than this!" At that moment Dell couldn't really tell who was in charge, because his hard prick was buried in the throat of the hot little cocksucker! While she sucked on it, she looked up at him with that pretty face, looking all the world like an angel, but totally obscene with his thick dick in her mouth! Through clenched teeth he groaned and said, "I'm gonna shoot it in your mouth baby, I can't hold back in longer!!!" Upon hearing how turned on he was, Lila took his balls in her hand and gently squeezed them, as if trying to force his cum into her waiting mouth. She didn't have to wait long, because seconds later her mouth and throat were flooded with what seemed like gallons of hot sticky cum! Greedily she tried to swallow every drop of the precious liquid, taking care to make sure got every drop! After blowing his load, Dell's first inclination was to get the hell out of there!!! If he got caught doing the "nasty" with an inmate, well, let me tell you that he would have about as much chance keeping his job, as a candle staying lit in a hurricane! But of course, he didn't leave, because as is the case with most men, Dell included, they think with their dicks, not with their brains, so when Lila spread her legs and flashed her gorgeous snatch, Dell did the thing any red blooded American male would do, he got down on his knees and ate her pussy for all he was worth! He had always wondered what kind of body Lila had hidden under her prison issue, and now that he had a chance to partake of its many wonderful features, he couldn't pull himself away from it! He just about had Lila on the verge of a hard climax when from doorway came words that cut him like a bull whip! "What the fuck is going on here," an obviously agitated Donna Winston exclaimed!?! Fumbling with his zipper, Dell leaped to his feet and cried, "Jesus, Mrs. W, well, I was just, I mean, well......." "I think I can see exactly what you were doing," retorted Donna acidly, now the question is, what are we going to do about it!?!" Dell, turning a bright shade of crimson, tried to hide his embarrassment, but to no avail! Donna walked over to the still seated Lila and spat, "And you, you little tramp, I suppose you're going to tell me that you didn't have anything to do with this!!!" Before Lila could respond, Donna Winston took her finger and savagely jammed it into Lila's wet cunt. She probably expected her to act hurt, but was surprised, as was Dell, when instead her head rolled from side to side and a guttural moan escaped her lips! "Jesus H Christ," Lila exclaimed, "the little slut's ready to blow her cookies!!!" Now grinding her finger hard into Lila's dripping vagina, Donna Winston berated the young prisoner with a vicious tongue lashing! Sweat had popped out from Donna's forehead and Dell was getting the sneaking suspicion that she was getting sexually aroused! It was clear that Lila was now in the onset of a huge orgasm, and the verbal abuse coupled with Donna's fingering were taking its toll! When her clit finally reached its climax, Lila screamed in wild delirium as her cunt muscles contracted around Donna's finger! Forgetting who was watching, Donna put her juice cover fingers to her lips and licked them clean. Seeing this was all the cue that Lila needed, so she reached out and put her hand up Donna's skirt and headed straight for her pussy! Donna teetered unsteadily, squirming from side to side while Lila worked her fingers inside of Donna's panties. Lila hadn't said a word since Donna had come into the shower room, but when her finger encountered and absolutely drenched pussy, she said, "Call me a tramp, you hot pussied bitch, you're so wet you could put out a forest fire with it!!!" Lila then looked at Dell, who had since retreated to the corner to watch the lezzie fuckfest, and ordered, "Take off her clothes, I think she needs a good fucking!!!" Dell started to protest, but Lila cut him off and threatened to tell the sheriff about their little escapade if he didn't do as he was told. Donna, through clenched teeth, said it was all right, and to go ahead and do it, so Dell shrugged his shoulders, and proceeded to strip the sheriff's wife of every last stitch of her clothing!!! Donna Winston was about forty five years old, but she still had a pretty nice body for someone her age, and while her big tits sagged a bit, after all she had give birth to three children, so that was to be expected. Lila continued fingering Donna's cunt, and told Dell to have a feel. "Not as tight as mine, but not bad," she said laughing, while taking Dell's hand and shoving it into Donna's dripping slit. Lila looked up at Donna and asked her, "Well bitch, what's it gonna be, my mouth, or his cock, take your pick!!!" Donna could barely speak due to the fact that Dell was doing a number on her hard little clit, but she did manage to mouth the word "cock", between her moaning and groaning. "Its the cock," announced Lila, "take off those pants so Donna can get her meat! With his pants and shorts around his ankles, Lila had him sit down on the bench next to her so that his hard cock stood straight up, all seven inches hard and ready to go. Donna straddled his hips and slowly lowered her juicy cunt onto his hard erection, and each inch disappeared inside of her, her cunt had a series of extremely vicious orgasms, one after the other, each one more powerful than the one just before! When his cock was fully engulfed by her womanhood, his dick erupted its cum, filling the big cunt with a ton of his spunk! Lila was sucking one of Donna's big tits, while using her finger on her clit, to bring herself to another climax! The mixture of sweat, steam, and cum made for an interesting aroma in the shower room!!! Lila let Donna's nipple fall from her mouth and thanked both Dell and Donna for a wonderful Christmas present and then continued, "I guess that's what's called a form of advanced "penology"!!!"

I think the connection is clear... (5, Funny)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712103)

Recently, a Cray supercomputer was installed in Fairbanks, Alaska. I think there is much more than mere coincidence between this event and the increasing temperatures in the region.

It cannot be denied. Wherever Cray computers go, high heat production follows. It's only a matter of time before Cray raises the sea levels and seizes control of a panicked world. I wouldn't put it past them... they have developed a superior computational advantage over the rest of known civilization.

Be on guard!

Re:I think the connection is clear... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712264)

u r stupid. the computar is much smaller than the planet. it could not possibly effect that much change! moron

Junk Science (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712105)

It's all a ruse by the enviro-whackos to slap crap like the Kyoto Protocol and other socialist garbrage and make a one-world government.

Velkommen to ze New Vorld Order!

Re:Junk Science (-1)

Mr. FullOfHate (584259) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712149)

You know, that's funny because "one world government" is what your mother calls it when she goes to a bar and sucks off one guy each from every different ethnic group there! Wotta slut!

Cause? (4, Insightful)

mlknowle (175506) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712107)

People seem to suspect that this is caused by global warming, but there isn't really that much evidence that the changes here in Alaska are the result of some kind of cyclical phenomenon. Note that I'm not trying to be a global warming denier (a fleeting phenomenon these days with the Bush administration's about face last month) but just pointing out that the cause is still uncertain.

What isn't uncertain is that this change is real; one look at my driveway is proof enough for me.

Re:Cause? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712226)

I don't think anyone denies the existance of global warming. Some of us would just like more substantial scientific evidence to support the idea that it is caused by mankind and not by the fluctuations of the sun, the cycles of the earth or any other of a number of things.

Of course, that doesn't mean that we should act like careless slobs and pollute the hell out of the world until we have proof that we are the causes of it without any question. It just means that we should avoid stupid legislation and over-reaction to things like this until we know for sure.

Re:Cause? (4, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712238)

If the cause is uncertain, then we should act wisely and work to reduce every possible cause we can think of. If, fifty years from now, we discover that carbon dioxide wasn't the true cause for global warming, perhaps our planet will be just as warm, but less polluted.

Slashdot: NYTimes Mirror (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712108)

c'mon..can't you guys find other stories than from just the ny times? I know that it's the Newspaper of Record, but it's filled with all kinds of liberal tripe and slants, like this story.

Try linking to the Wall Street Journal [wsj.com] articles once in a while can't you? Yea I know its pay site, but it still has good tech and science stuff. And it's written by clear thinking conservative people.

"Baked Alaska"? (5, Funny)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712110)

At first glance, I thought this was going to be a story about increasing marijuana use in Alaska. Imagine my disappointment... I had already packed my bags.

Baked Alaska (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712112)

1 quart chocolate ice cream
1 quart coffee ice cream
Sponge cake, recipe follows
1 pint strawberries, tops removed and sliced
Meringue, recipe follows
Warm glossy chocolate sauce, recipe follows

Sponge:
10 eggs
2 cups vegetable oil
4 cups sugar
Vanilla extract, to taste
6 cups flour
2 tablespoons baking powder
2 cups milk

Meringue:
1 cup egg whites, room temperature
1 cup sugar

Warm Glossy Chocolate Sauce:
3 ounces unsweetened chocolate
7 ounces semisweet chocolate
3/8 cup light corn syrup
1/2 cup hot water

Sponge: Preheat oven to 325 degrees. In the bowl of an electric mixer, beat together the eggs, vegetable oil and sugar until light. Add the vanilla. Sift together the flour and baking powder. In 3 additions, alternately add the flour and baking powder with the milk. Pour the batter into a greased, parchment-lined jellyroll pan. Bake 25 to 30 minutes or until it springs back to the touch. When the cake is cool, invert from the pan onto a piece of parchment paper. Halve the cake lengthwise. Place a 2 quart bowl on top of 1/2 the cake and cut around the bottom of the bowl. Reserve the rest of the cake. Set the cake round on a parchment lined sheet pan.

Remove ice cream from freezer. Using a large spoon mound the chocolate ice cream on top of the cake round. Layer the strawberries on top of the chocolate ice cream. Top and continue to mound the coffee ice cream. You can make as many layers as you like. If the ice cream begins to soften too much, return to the freezer until firm and continue. Cut the remaining cake into triangles and cover the mound of ice cream with cake. Return cake to the freezer for at least 2 hours or up to 2 days.

Meringue: Whip the egg whites until soft peaks form. Add the sugar and beat until stiff and glossy. As soon as the meringue is ready, remove the ice cream cake from the freezer. Spread the meringue evenly over the dessert in a swirling motion or pipe decoratively. Return to the freezer for at least 3 hours or up to 2 days.

Warm Glossy Chocolate Sauce: In the top half of a double boiler, combine the 2 chocolates over simmering water. Stir constantly until melted, then whisk in the corn syrup and water. Whisk until smooth and shiny.

When ready to serve, heat the oven to 500 degrees. Remove the dessert from the freezer and place it in the oven. Bake 3 to 4 minutes or until browned. You can also use a blow torch to brown the meringue. After it is browned it's possible to freeze dessert again overnight before serving. Serve in slices with warm glossy chocolate sauce.

Prep Time: 10 minutes
Cook Time: 6 hours 35 minutes

Nice post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712276)

Where's RecipeTroll [slashdot.org] when you need him?

Local Warming != Global Warming (0, Informative)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712124)

Good god. Global Warming, if observed, will be an average change of a few degrees across the globe. It will be impossible to pinpoint local effects until it really gets out of hand. (It will have local effects, we just won't be able to say which are and are not natural.) Not every instance of local climate change is a symptom of global climate change. Local climate fluctuates wildly. Ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Hint: it used to be a greener when they named it a few centuries back.

This is just like El Nino. Because it was causing some unusual weather patterns, every little rainstorm was blamed on it.

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712141)

BUZZZZZZZZZ!!! Greenland was named greenland, and iceland was named iceland by thier discoverer. The idea was to keep people out of iceland.

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (1, Redundant)

zeno_2 (518291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712184)

Actually, I thought it was the other way around. They had found iceland, but no one wanted to go because they thought it was a big floating block of ice. They found greenland next, and named it such to entice those who would be willing to go..

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (2, Interesting)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712150)

Ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Hint: it used to be a greener when they named it a few centuries back.

BZZT, thanks for playing.

When Erik the Red discovered this odd country, he named it "Greenland" in an attempt to attract more settlers to it.

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (1)

bear_phillips (165929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712156)

Ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Hint: it used to be a greener when they named it a few centuries back

It was named Greenland too fool people into moving there not because it was green. Kind of like today we just call a hot day El Nino instead of what it may really be, global warming. /P.

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (1, Redundant)

kindbud (90044) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712177)

Ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Hint: it used to be a greener when they named it a few centuries back.

Bzzzzzt! Try again. [straightdope.com] Erik the Red called it Greenland in an attempt to make it sound more attractive to the settlers he was trying to convince to migrate there.

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (1)

seeken (10107) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712203)

Read your own link.

sheesh.

Re:Local Warming != Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712188)

Ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland?

Lief Ericcson, clever real estate promoter that he was, named it that despite the obvious lack of greenery (even then). He was attempting to attract settlers from Iceland (which really is green). Where reality does not cooperate, give your condo complex an evocative name....

If your trailer park was named "Camelot", would that mean King Arthur once stayed there?

To summarize what we know by now... (1)

Elledan (582730) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712126)

Something is definitely happening to the climate on this planet, but what precisely, and what the cause(s) for this process are, not to mention the endresult (if there is one), are still unknown.

Something is happening, we only don't know what or why.

Re:To summarize what we know by now... (1)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712134)

And we must really try hard not to find out or we might have to do something about it.

Re:To summarize what we know by now... (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712143)

That 'something that is happening to the climate on this planet' is called 'weather', you fucking dipshit. Don't try to sound like nancy drew, cockhole.

Heatsink... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712142)

somebody musta overclocked the Cray

Seven Degrees (1)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712144)

so does this mean its warm enough to grow pot in Alaska finally?

Re:Seven Degrees (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712282)

It's always been warm enough you dolt. Ever heard of Yukon Gold?

Bring it on! (5, Funny)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712155)

The weather here in Michigan is still too cold. I for one support global warming. Bring it on, the warmer the better. I can't believe that global warming is only bad. I heard that they can grow crops further North now than they could before and there are longer growing seasons providing more crops. And soon people may be able to live in Canada.

Re:Bring it on! (1)

lambadomy (160559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712193)

You're 100% right that global warming is not "All Bad"(TM). But while their may be benefits to certian locales, the net effect will be negative, if only because of two things:

1) Desertification. As the earth warms, the desert areas will do nothing but expand, decreasing the amount of arable land on the planet. While this could be replaced by increased productivity in, say, Michigan or Canada or wherever, if temperatures just rise and rise and rise...you eventually get to the desertification of even Michigan. Not good.

2) Rising water levels. Though we haven't seen much of it yet, if ocean levels rise, then thats another sink that the overall land resources on the earth will just spiral into. Maybe it will make my home in Los Angeles beachfront property, but overall it will be a Bad Thing for the earth/humanity/whatever.

oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (0, Flamebait)

Mobster75 (234793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712168)

Ok, let's get all the extreme left-wingers out and have them parade around proclaiming that the rise in temps in Alaska are caused definitely by global warming.

Except..... it's not always global warming.... I recall reading somewhere that temps over the last 400 hundred years (or so) have, at times, fluctuated wildly and the Industrial Revolution was only the last 200 years of it.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I'm sick of EVERYONE blaming every odd day on "global warming" and the "evil" that it is.... We are having an effect on the climate, but its not quite as bad as you freak extreme-left alarmists would have us believe. (If you voted for Al Gore, you are a freak, end of story)

The weather *IS* unpredictable and *CAN* and *WILL* fluctuate over time. Our concept of time is sooooo narrow....... a fluctuation that lasts 500 years or so is nothing to the planet, but to us, thats an eternity..

Ok. I'm ready for the flames :) (you socialistic, gov't-loving cowards ;) )

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (2, Redundant)

Old Wolf (56093) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712185)

I'm sick of all the global-warming deniers who say that just because the climate fluctuates over long time scales, we aren't having an effect on the planet.

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712292)

Yep, those guys are funny. "Well it couldn't possibly be humans, because not all carbon dioxide has historically come from humans."

Wonder if any of them tried that in court? "I couldn't possibly have stolen that car, as cars were being stolen before I was born..."

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (5, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712198)

Ok, let's get all the extreme left-wingers out and have them parade around proclaiming that the rise in temps in Alaska are caused definitely by global warming.

Extreme left-wingers? What??

What I don't understand is why most right-wingers in the USA like to classify issues such as global warming as a left-wing political issue. Is it not possible to be right wing and concerned about the environment?

Extreme left wing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712237)

"What I don't understand is why most right-wingers in the USA like to classify issues such as global warming as a left-wing political issue"

Because the issue is put forth by left-wing extremists who want the government to control and limit all economic activity. What better way that to fabricate "human-caused global warming" and make another fascist power grab to prevent people from causing it?

Recognizing this is not a "right-wing" thing. It is a scientist thing (to recognize the bad science of the global warming claims) and a libertarian thing (to recognize the danger of fascism, whether or not it is left-wing or right-wing)

Re:Extreme left wing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712268)

the fact that this post still has a score of 0 speaks wonders about the bias most slashdotters have to the left...

Re:Extreme left wing (0)

isolation (15058) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712300)

Amen to that brother

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (2)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712208)

If you voted for Al Gore, you are a freak, end of story

Well I'm not visiting America then. Half of you are freaks, apparently.

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (1)

SoupaFly (558227) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712265)

If you voted for Al Gore, you are a freak, end of story
Well I'm not visiting America then. Half of you are freaks, apparently.

Since only about half of us stupid Yanks even bother to vote, but this standard only 25% of Americans are freaks.

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712280)

More than half, actually, though the wingnuts in the White House are desperately hoping people will forget that...

Re:oh no... more global warming (...not...??) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712296)

COUGH... electoral college system... COUGH!

what is wrong with you people (1)

Mao (12237) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712174)

i don't mean to be all self-righteous and pontificate on good taste, but i am surprised that so many posts express such a light hearted attitude to the situation. Imagine your way of life literally melting away, imagine being forced to move from a place where your ancestors have lived for hundreds of years. I really feel sorry for those alaskans. i can only hope that they'll be compensated by the government.

Re:what is wrong with you people (0, Flamebait)

Mobster75 (234793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712183)

another leftist brainwashed numb-nuts..

Why should the government have to compensate them for an Act of God?

Get your hand out my pocket-book... Spend your *OWN* private funds on their "reimbursement" rather than have everyone else do it if you care so much.

Re:what is wrong with you people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712215)

Why should the government have to compensate them for an Act of God?

People dispute whether warmer weather is caused by humans, even though humans obviously exist.

Now you're asserting that God is causing these changes, even though the very existence of a God is a hotly debated question. Moreover, very few people are arrogant enough to claim that they understand the particular motives and actions of said God.

Who's brainwashed here?

Re:what is wrong with you people (1)

Elledan (582730) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712190)

You seem to ignore the fact that the ancestors of these people you're talking about used to live in nomadic tribes. These tribes could not settle anywhere, but had to keep moving, or die from starvation.

Re:what is wrong with you people (2)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712273)

In other parts of the country we have a term for the time when the ice melts and everything thaws: spring. It sucks, really it does.

Argh! (0, Troll)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712186)

It's amazing how much our leaders don't get it. Bush is saying that there is no such thing as the greenhouse effect, yet it's been proven time and again! Alaskian Temps up, Canadians remarking about how hot it is. Yet we're still withdrawn from the Kyoto protocol and Our leaders are saying "There is no such thing as global warming, please buy more gasoline"

It's hard not to ignore the fact that Exxon-Mobile and the other oil companies are the ones who are REALLY in charge.

I'm saying this and I'm a Texan, even.

Global warming myths (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712214)

"It's hard not to ignore the fact that Exxon-Mobile and the other oil companies are the ones who are REALLY in charge."

If they were really in charge, there would be no regulations, and they would pay no taxes. Since both are not true, they are not in charge.

Not that they have anything to do with this: there is absolutely no evidence of burning of gas causing "global warming".

Even if there was, Kyoto won't do a thing about it: it allows China to get away with it. The prudent thing for Bush to do is ignore it, as the only effect of it is to harm US economy while benefiting that of a totalitarian dictatorship.

Re:Global warming myths (1)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712252)

Kyoto is not the be all end all. After the success of Kyoto is measured other treaties, including ones that affect China will come through and help the cause.

Success of Kyoto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712283)

The success of Kyoto will be measured in the damage of free-world economies. It won't have anything to do with global warming, since Kyoto changes do not affect it at all.

Re:Argh! (4, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712223)

It's amazing how much our leaders don't get it.

Your leader. Your leader doesn't get it.

Our leader gets it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712249)

Bush realizes that it has nothing to do with human activity. Bush has a problem here of wanting to stick to the truth while ignorant people who are even dumber than him insist on greenhouse fairytales.

The best thing for him to do is sign Kyoto. This would placate the lunatics. Then he should immediately turn around and undermine it with the effect of ignoring it. I'm sure there are loopholes to go through.

It's time... (1)

MrBlue VT (245806) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712187)

It's time for the town's all purpose contingincy plan...Plan B. Move the whole town 5 miles down the road.

Now's the time to buy Alaskan real estate!! (-1)

Reikk (534266) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712196)

Alaska, Maine and Canadian real estate will increase %10000 in the next 40 years. All the people in the south will gradually migrate north. The southern united states will see average summer temperatures of 150 to 160 degrees. Invest baby in northern real estate! YES BITCHES, YES!

Days of denial are over. (5, Interesting)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712202)

It seems to me that anti-global warming advocates are made up of the same kind of people who are anti-evolution. Their main reason for doubt is that it conflicts with their biases (in the case of global warming, that's largely commercial or ideological, with evolution it's religious).

Of course both groups have lots of 'scientific' evidence that mostly amounts a few anecdotes in comparison to the huge reams of evidence that the supporters have, but are yelled very loudly.

Also, both groups demand from their adversaries 'irrefutable proof' that evolution/global warming is true, even though a 'logical proof' of an empirical phenomena is impossible. You can't prove evolution and global warming the same way you can prove that 1+1=2. You can't even prove gravity to that extent.

Finally, if this report is true, and these weather changes are happening all over Alaska, it really should be enough evidence that something is happening. Alaska is pretty big, and the effect can't really be called 'local'. It's at least regional.

Finally, it comes to the question of cyclical vs. artificial warming. Is the earth getting warmer just because it is, or is it getting warmer because of something we're doing? Certainly, humanity is producing lots of CO2, but the amount isn't really that much compared the naturally occurring water vapor. Honestly I'm not sure if science really has the answer. But I do really think we need to be cautious about it. The effects of global warming could be pretty dire.

A while ago I read a slashdot post about global warming, and the poster said he opposed any kind of change in regulation unless we could be 100% sure. If you ask me, that's pretty stupid. It's like driving towards a cliff and being opposed to a change in direction unless you were 100% sure there was a cliff there, the argument being the trip would be longer assuming there was no cliff (or something equally stupid).

Perhaps there would be some economic constraints caused by greenhouse gas controls, but they would probably be a lot better then the economic problems caused by global warming.

You are in denial (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712227)

"But I do really think we need to be cautious about it. The effects of global warming could be pretty dire."

Since there is zero evidence of human activity having an effect, there is no point in being "cautious" in regards to global warming.

"It seems to me that anti-global warming advocates are made up of the same kind of people who are anti-evolution."

True, only if by "anti global warming advocate" you mean the whackos who fight against "global warming".... which is like fighting against a mountain with a wet noodle: human activity does not effect it.

"A while ago I read a slashdot post about global warming, and the poster said he opposed any kind of change in regulation unless we could be 100% sure. If you ask me, that's pretty stupid"

No, what is stupid is changing regulation while having NO evidence at all that regulation will change anything. That is real stupid: the un-informed change of public policy based on nonscience.

Damn Mosquitoes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712210)

They are taking over the world. They cannot be stopped. They adapt fast. They carry all sort of diseases and give them to us mammals. That mosquito part is the scariest part of the story.

Of course the oil industry is responsible (1)

Seahawk91 (585715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712211)

I am sure the oil companies are tired of drilling frozen tundra and have somehow figured out how to warm the entire northern oil grounds so that they can drill more easily. Anyone read Cat's Cradle when the Marines are tired of marching in mud. So, they hire some people to freeze the entire earth. Get real.

Hotbutton Politics (1)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712230)

Global warming stories usually focus on the hotbutton politic

Y'know, that button used to be cold before the hole in the ozone layer let the suns rays come in and heat it up.

Global Warming == JUNK SCIENCE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712233)

There is no such thing as global warming. It is junk science and I challenge any scientist in the world to prove, again, PROVE, there is any warming pattern outside of those that have already existed in millions of years.
It's like taking a one week snapshot of the stock market or taking a 100 million year picture of it. Does anyone else understand this besides me?


Don't let the research grant loving "we'll say or do anything for another dollar" scientist scare you into believing this.

I think chicken little once said "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

Evidence does not matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712259)

Evidence and not matter. Science does not matter. Global warming is real simply because left-wing extremists insist it is. Since it is "real", it is a great means to the left-wing end of damaging the U.S. economy and bringing about a fascistic power grab in which the government makes decisions instead of the

My Experience with Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712243)

Hey!! I had an experience with global warming just the other day. I had eaten some tostitos with some tostitos resturant style salsa and, it didn't take but a day to have some global warming comin out my butt. Why even those skeptics that don't believe in black holes I swear I saw one in my toilet right after that and it sucked down all that global warming I just had.

Global Warming in Alaska (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712254)

I was in Alaska recently and attended a seminar on global warming and has speakers on either side of the issue. One of the more convincing speakers told us that he could only get a govt. grant if his research was to prove the existence of global warming. So he submitted his grant proposal with the purpose of proving that there was global warming when his real purpose was to do a subjective study. Anyway his results were the same as every study I have seen on global warming, they were inconclusive. Read any study, they are all inconclusive.

I found it interesting that you had to start out with a premise that there was global warming in order to secure funding.

Global Warming is a crock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712256)

every time there is a volcano eruption, it releases more greenhouse gasses than we could ever hope to release in 100 years. It's not politically correct to say that, however.

Kenai Peninsula Changes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712257)

The year my grandmother was born the far end of the Turnigan Arm, the bay to the southwest of Anchorage, was under about 1200' of ice. I was there five years ago and you can just barely see the Portage glacier as it recedes around the bend about five miles to the south east.

I drove from Anchorage to Talkeetna while I was there. The spurce bark beetle kill is just crazy. With a hot, dry spring the entire state is likely to go off the way Colorado is now ... and there aren't legions of firefighters and the infrastructure to support them.

There are many, many signs that we're in a long term warming trend and the *&^%$ is about to hit the fan.

FYI George Bush voter, NRA member, etc, etc, but it doesn't mean I am blind, stupid, sleeping with a picture of Exxon's CEO, etc, etc.

Kinda like the hole in the ozone layer ... (1)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712260)

... that was blamed on chemicals like chlorine being released into the atmosphere. Now we find that the hole is closing somewhat, yet worldwide flourocarbon emissions have not dropped hardly at all (In the US and europe it has, but in developing countries, it is getting worse). As for global warming: we must also consider the great amount of material that just falls back to the ground. Much of that gas that is released is heavier than the surrounding air. Some falls to the ground, some gets caught in vapor and makes its way down as a deposit or acid rain. Alaska has gone up in temp 7 degrees in the last 30 years, but what about countries that are experiencing colder climates year round? Could climate itself just be shifting?

Shhhhhh. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712271)

Shhhh. Ignore the cooler places that prove that the Earth is not warming. Global Warming is our crusade; any evidence that proves it phony must be suppressed.

To prove the truth of global warming, we must look at only these places that are hotter.

Kyoto, Global Warming, and Alaska (1)

lambadomy (160559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712275)

I believe in global warming. Average earth temperatures have risen for 23 straight years, and while plenty of people can complain that it seems colder at their house this week last year, unless you consider measurements to be "anecdotal evidence" just like your own, you have to admit something is happening.

Of course, we don't KNOW the causes of any of this, and global, millennial climate cycles and similar explanations are reasonably plausible. Regardless, greenhouse gas emissions potentially increasing temperatures is pretty demonstrable in a lab environment, and should not in any way be ignored.

This, of course, brings us to Kyoto, and the fact that the US will never pass it. Please, I don't like Bush, but the Senate voted against Kyoto 95-0. This is not a Bush administration problem only. Kyoto, however, in it's current form probably shouldn't be ratified, global warming or not. The actual predicted temperature change from reducing these emissions isn't a particularly large number last I checked (something along the lines of .25 degrees C), but the lack of a huge change is not the biggest problem with Kyoto - it is the lack of global reach. Who cares if just the major polluters of today (US, Europe, Japan) cut back if they just get caught up to or passed by India and China. "Developing" nations are even more afraid of environmental regulations than the first world nations, thinking that being unable to pollute like crazy, as we did for the first 100 years of the industrial revolution, will make them unable to catch up. True or not, our cutbacks will be quickly dwarfed by their increases, and all we will have to show for it is, probably, reduced economic strength. Maybe we'll all then become super rich selling our super high tech smokestack scrubbers to china, but somehow I doubt it. The solution to this global problem has to be equally global, or all we will end up doing, in my opinion, is spreading the damage around.

Bush, Senate and problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712291)

This, of course, brings us to Kyoto, and the fact that the US will never pass it. Please, I don't like Bush

What is there not to like about him? Sure, he has bad hair and says "Amarica" funny, but he was far and away the best of the top 4 or 5 candidates running in the last election.

"but the Senate voted against Kyoto 95-0. This is not a Bush administration problem only."

Assuming that man-made global warming is real, and that China and India are causing it without being reigned in by Kyoto. Isn't it best than that the US helps to shut down this treaty that lets the worst offenders cause global warming?

Any impact on the administration? (1)

Justen (517232) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712277)

I wonder if the issues Alaskans are facing will have any real impact on the stance taken by the White House? Alaska is overwhelmingly Republican (with the exception of their Governor and Lieutenant Governor). And, traditionally, Republicans take the side of the energy companies and say global warming doesn't exist or is "normal"...

If towns are literally melting away, will the Bush administration forget the few electoral votes that come from Alaska?

In reality, would anything our government do today actually change what's happening? Scientifically, can you reverse a disaster once you've started it? (Not that I think we have any excuse to ignore what's happening.)

I guess we'll see... Will Alaskans demand anything from the White House? If they do, will the White House do anything?

jrbd

(FD: I'm a Democratic Socialist, and pretty damned far left-from-centre.)

Democratic fascism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712301)

"(FD: I'm a Democratic Socialist, and pretty damned far left-from-centre.)"

That makes you a kind of left-wing fascist, who thus holds any sort of resistance to the abuse of government power suspect. "Democratic Socialism" is nothing more than a form of fascism in which the government that oppresses and denies people their rights is "democratically elected". Sorry, fascism stinks, even if the people approve of it.

"And, traditionally, Republicans take the side of the energy companies and say global warming doesn't exist or is "normal"..."

Actually, traditionally Republicans side with sound policy based on real science. Energy companies have nothing to do with it. If anything, the Democrats are the ones bribed by them (remember how Clinton received payments from Enron and actually did what they asked)

Not so fast... (5, Interesting)

primenerd (100899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712285)

As a lifelong Alaskan I must take issue with the alarmist nature of the article and post. First there have always been mosquitoes in Barrow, the town is built on the tundra (in other words, thousands of square miles of stagnant water and marshy ground). Secondly there have been dozens of instances of towns being moved or abandoned over the years. As for the town of Shishmaref, it is built on a barrier island (which are erosion prone by nature) on the Chukchi sea which is known for its violent storms. Just because the town was built on a poorly chosen site does not mean that global warming is by default to blame. Finally, the issue of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline (TAPS) having to deal with melting permafrost. This is not caused by global warming, it is caused by a metal pipe filled with hot oil (500+ degrees) sitting on ice. Great efforts are taken to refrigerate the ground, as when it melts, it has the consistency of pudding and is unsuitable to be even walked on (that's what the refrigeration fins on the structural supports are for).
I smell a poorly researched article written by a reactionary reporter with an agenda.

New York Times Auto Login Generator (0, Offtopic)

io333 (574963) | more than 12 years ago | (#3712289)

Here's the obligatory NYTimes auto random login generator:

http://www.majcher.com/nytview.html

Do I get lots of karma now for putting this up? Everyone else that ever did it got plenty!

OT: Is RPM Doomed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3712294)

I apologize for the OT post, and that I need to post as an AC.

I caught this article to late to comment, and I don't have time to make an account.

However, I hope this helps all those having problems with rpm on rpm-based distros:

1. Install rpmfind:
$ rpm -Uvh /path/to/RPMS/rpmfind.ver.rpm

2. Upgrade entire system, handling all dependencies:
$ rpmfind --autoupgrade # Yes, really that easy.

3. Upgrade specific package handling dependencies:
$ rpmfind --upgrade package

4. Install specific package handling dependencies:
$ rpmfind package
Also, if you are using the RPM based distro KRUD (Kevin's RedHat Uber Distrobution), you all ready have an rpmfind equivilant:

Upgrade/install package handling all dependencies:
$ krudfind package

Upgrade entire system handling all dependencies:
$ krud2date

For more info:

RPMFind:
http://www.rpmfind.net

KRUD:
http://www.tummy.com/krud/index.html
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