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186 comments

efff peee (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713533)

first post for clit

werd to my logged in trollz!

please don't be second (-1, Offtopic)

SMN (33356) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713534)

two in three days?

Museum? (0, Redundant)

BrianGa (536442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713540)

Yes, but does it have a giant dinosaur like the Museum of Natural History? On second thought, dust off some of those old computers that may be the size of those brontosauruses!

SIR, YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR IS GAY LIKE A FRENCHMAN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713597)

n/t

Re:SIR, YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR IS GAY LIKE A FRENCHMA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713704)

And only a frenchman would be foolish enough to put n/t in the body.

Historical computer items (0)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713548)

Older programmers may not want to see the exhibit, Punch Cards, Paper tape, it's about as close to a geek house of horrors you can get...

I can just see a programmer walk up to a dropped pile of punchcards all scattered around... no way to rewrite the program... Now THAT'S a nightmare!

Re:Historical computer items (2, Funny)

bovril (260284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713625)

I can just see a programmer walk up to a dropped pile of punchcards all scattered around... no way to rewrite the program... Now THAT'S a nightmare!

Pick up the cards and put them in the bin. That's called garbage collection, isn't it?

Geddit? Geddit?!

*sigh*

Re:Historical computer items (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713742)

Here is your e-mail address for the spam bots to collect. centreneptune@yahoo.com.au

And a quick link for everyone else: centreneptune@yahoo.com.au [mailto]

[OT] Bad joke induced hate e-crime (1)

bovril (260284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713956)

H'm... now there's an argument for not allowing AC posts. Fair enough. Bad joke. But that punishment seems overly harsh to me... and if I used that email address for anything I'd be pissed off.

As your punishment (I'm using the honour system here) you have to watch Dr Dolittle 1 & 2, Little Nicky, The Waterboy and Police Academies 3 through 6 back-to-back.

I have an C64 for sale... (-1, Offtopic)

as400as2 (560825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713558)

if anyone is interested. Nice site by the way.

Re:I have an C64 for sale... (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713566)

how much? can I pay you in drugs?

Re:I have an C64 for sale... (0)

as400as2 (560825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713573)

anything will do....

Re:I have an C64 for sale... (1)

lannocc (568669) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713926)

Does your C64 actually work? I have two, but they no longer work. I kinda want to see what kind of stupid software I wrote back when I was ten.

Re:I have an C64 for sale... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713691)

Your uid reminds me of MetaFilter [metafilter.com] for some reason.

Perhaps you can pay me by freeing Aunt Jemima [auntjemima.com] from corporate slavery?

Museums and timelines (3, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713561)

I haven't been to the actual museum, so this is simply an observation about the website.

The grouping in the article is all wrong. It clumps pictures and articles together by manufacturer. This is great for something like a research document, but for a museum it is terrible. By the time the reader gets acquainted with the devices made by Altair, he gets thrown back in time to get acquainted with the Osborne, and so on.

A better system would be to simply line up the pictures and articles in a timeline where each device can be compared to each other device in a logical manner. The reader can get a feel for how computers evolved from large breadboards to the tiny microchips of today.

Re:Museums and timelines (1)

tg_schlacht (570380) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713736)

By the time the reader gets acquainted with the devices made by Altair, he gets thrown back in time to get acquainted with the Osborne, and so on.

In what timeline did the Osborne come out before the Altair?

Certainly not this one.

Re:Museums and timelines (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713761)

It's the discontinuity of the artifacts in time that I'm commenting on, not any particular sequence of groupings.

Who would have thought... (5, Funny)

NetRanger (5584) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713574)

...that we'd be so happy to see things we never want to have to use again. :-)

Re:Who would have thought... (2)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713675)

...that we'd be so happy to see things we never want to have to use again. :-)

I don't know about you, but I just installed the latest version of netatalk [sourceforge.net] on my LFS server and got my Apple IIGS talking to it through a Cayman GatorBox CS. Now if they'll just add MacIP support to Marinetti [sourceforge.net] , I'll be able to put my GS on the net without having to do SL/IP or PPP through another box. (Having it access files on my Linux server and my Mac is good enough for the time being, though.)

Re:Who would have thought... (1)

sabi (721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713724)

Can you get a IIgs to net boot off netatalk yet? We used to have a lab full of IIgs's netbooting off a Mac IIcx AppleShare 2.x server (LocalTalk, baby!) back at my middle school years ago, and it worked incredibly well. So fast, too, when I was used to the speed of GS/OS booting off 800K floppies at home...

I'd pull my IIgs out of the closet if I could get this to work again.

Re:Who would have thought... (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713762)

>Cayman GatorBox CS.

I've got one of these (althout I'm not sure its the CS model)...

Can you provide any links, software, or help in using it? Last time I checked out Cayman's site (a while ago, admittedly) they weren't much help. :-(

I'd just be interested to see what I can do with it... Its my last bit of fully functioning never-used possibly useful hardware. :-)

F is for Firsty!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713576)

Thats good enoughr for me!!
F is for Firsty,
That's good enough for me!
F is for Firsty,
That's good enough for me!
First firsty firsty ends with POST!!!

50 years from now... (3, Interesting)

destinyland (578448) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713578)

They'll probably have an exhibit about "The 90s: wireless, laptops and the days of exploration." And people will shake their heads and wonder how we lived like this.

Just imagine high school science-class field trips laughing at the very system you're using now...

---
Destiny-land [blogspot.com] .
The happiest blog on earth.

Re:50 years from now... (1)

sheepab (461960) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713658)

50 years from now? More like 10 years from now....if that.

Re:50 years from now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713706)

Hell, if you're using Linux, you don't have to wait at all.

Re:50 years from now... (2)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713837)

The 90s: wireless, laptops and the days of exploration

You saw a working wireless computing product that was of some use?

Besides a universal remote control? (and even those are horribly dodgy, ick).

I've yet to see one. . . . (unless you count x10, but that is hardly a miracle of modern science, more like a wireless transmitter shoved onto the end of a cheapo digicam. :p )

Smithsonian museum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713586)

has the original Apple computer complete with "Apple" burned into its wooden case by Woz himself.
Sure, they also have the Eniac, the original IBM PC, and a WWII Enigma machine displayed there - but who cares about that stuff? ;-)

As long as we're going down memory lane... (0)

Quixotic137 (26461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713589)

How about Natalie Portman petrified with hot grits down her pants on a Beowulf cluster of those things?

Quadras? (1)

danamania (540950) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713593)

There are no Quadras... [danamania.com] where are all the Quadras?

Seriously - nice to see an online museum that ISN'T merely a collection of 80s personal computers. The more information about the common machines from the 50s and 60s the better - 70s boxies are well known relatively...

a grrl & her server [danamania.com]

Re:Quadras? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713694)

--I have a 700 sitting right here on the floor by my pile O putes. It's one of my "backups". I like it!

BTW, still have my original 512k, and a LC and some IIsi's for oldware. They all work great. Macs work TOO good, they don't drop in price like wintellcrapware. I keep waiting for Tibooks to get cheap so I can buy one.

%^)

Re:Quadras? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713786)

A 540c was the TiBook of its day and you can pick them up pretty cheap. In 8 years you should be able to get a Ti400 for $50.

I have a Tandy 1110 HD (0, Troll)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713595)

I can't get Linux to install. Goddamit, I feel cheated. I hate running DOS. Any of ya'll know of an OS that'll run on these specs [tandy.com] ?

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (-1)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713647)

What kind of pussy hits an unmoderated post with OVERRATED!!!!!!!

And then the lameness filter had to spew a bunch of crap.

Goddamnit, you are some weakass motherfuckers.

Protect that karma, mod boy.

Hoard it, and use it for a down payment on something nice.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (0, Flamebait)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713689)

Emphasis on the YOU SUCK

Notice the answer to my question was actually posted - and I thanked that person. I had a serious question. I needed an OS for a crappy computer. I asked that question, and was given an answer.

Sadly, some pole-smoking fucknuggets decided to smack this thread. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Do you not understand English? I'll get you a tutor. Are you bitter? I'll buy you some sugar. Are you lonely? I'll find you some hookers.
Shit, it is probably for the best that you assramming unclefuckers are incapable of rational discourse - I'd hate to see the next generation of Slashbots programmed by the likes of you. Keep reading the Mass and skimming the collection plate. If you ask nicely I might let you smell my soiled boxers.

Someone is a little whiny bitch (0, Flamebait)

Verizon Guy (585358) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713758)

Please, go fuck your mother. Karma means nothing, jackass. If you weren't living in your parents' basement you might realize that.

Re:Someone is a little whiny bitch (0, Flamebait)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713822)

If I gave two shits about karma I would have replied as AC or with another account.
You know that - it's what you do, remember?
Besides, my parents don't have a basement. I'm stuck in their attic.

Re:Someone is a little whiny bitch (1)

Verizon Guy (585358) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713985)

Although whining will get you nowhere, I have to agree that "Overrated" is a pussy mod -- as it is immune from MetaModeration. I think it should be done away from the system completely, but CmdrTaco mandates that "abuse of the Over/Underrated mods is actually not as much as people think it is." Although why intentionally you would create a hole in the system that could very easily be abused is beyond me.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713773)

You made use another PC just to tell you this:

Stop whinning, MOTHER FUCKER, OK? Your shit was offtopic. The discussion
was about a new museum in UVA, not about your shitty troll computer.

You can go ahead and complain to the editors, but god knows that I only
modded you because you WERE offtopic. Please be ontopic next time, and don't
threaten me with meta mod.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (-1, Flamebait)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713810)

Stupid AC bitch. Offtopic I can accept. I didn't say I was modded offtopic. I was hit with the invincible Overrated. Now, an unmodded post ought not be considered Overrated, as it is not yet rated.

Shut the fuck up.

Thanks.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (1)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713857)

Kharmacide.

Please, mods, look up overrated in the dictionary.
I know, a post can be overrated at 0, but that isn't why you did this.
You either disagreed with the point or you felt it was inflammatory - either way, you knew it had to be modded out of sight.
But you couldn't accept a negative metamod, so you took the safe route.
I know that karma is important - without it, what do you have? Nothing.
There is only that elusive 50, a goal that gives you hope.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713656)

>I can't get Linux to install.

HTH! [sourceforge.net] :-)

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (1)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713659)

Hell yes!. Thank you.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713852)

did you look at the changelog?

June 2: Fixed web URL
June 3: Fixed HREF
June 4: Image shows up in webpage!!!!
June 5: Fixed web page some more
June 6: Almost done fixing webpage.
June 7: Thought about working on web page, slept in instead.
June 8: Got to web page nice and early, fixed some links, this web stuff is tough.
june 9: Should I work on the ELKS? Nah, better fix the page.
June 10: Still fixing the page. Mom called today.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (1)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713869)

Sure didn't.
I read the linked page then bookmarked it for the morning.
See, I'm really, really drunk right now, so I thought I'd hold off on installing software and stick to bitching about moderators that have more crack in their bloodstream than I do in my ass.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713833)

windows XP would probably run fine, I doubt linux would though.

Linux requires a 1ghz processor AND AT LEAST 512mb of ram.... to run the console

window managers require 2 gigs of ram and a quad xeon system. Thats why nobody uses linux now.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (1)

Inthewire (521207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713848)

Dude..the machine has a 10 Mhz CPU and 640 K of RAM. It runs an old MS-DOS. It won't run 3.11, let alone XP. This is an assumption, as I don't feel like splitting up an XP install CD into a few hundred 720 K floppies and giving it a whirl.
Come to think of it, XP is larger than the available memory. Too bad. I just wanted to try something new.
PicoBSD [freebsd.org] didn't even fit.

Re:I have a Tandy 1110 HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713864)

I have a machine like that in my basement with a black and white monitor. ;-)

The SOL ? (1)

maladroit (71511) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713606)

OK, now SOL has got to be from a company without a marketing department.

"Hey, my SOL quit working !"

"Well, I guess you're just S.O.L. [umd.edu] "

That's not an original Osborne-1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713617)

That's not an original Osborne-1. It's an updated version. The original used the mainboard as a structural element to support the monitor.

I don't know if I liked mine or hated it. Everything on it was marginal. Then eventually non-operational.

Re:That's not an original Osborne-1 (2)

catsidhe (454589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713828)

The Osbourne-1 shown does have at least a bell, if not the complement of bells and whistles. That modem in its drive storage slot was not standard issue. And I know ... the first computer I ever touched was my father's Osbourne 1.

Ah, the memories. Z80 processor with an 8 bit bus. The OS was CP/M80. The word processing pack
age was Wordstar 1 (yes, Wordstar version One). The 'graphics support' was a seperate codepage of characters with block-drawing characters. It was text or block graphics, one mode at a time only!. The computer game of choice was adventur (our copy was corrupted when it gave the description of the mirror over the chasm -- you know, where you look out of the window over the chasm, and see a lit window with a person in it who is trying to get your attention...)

[backgroud music starts up quietly, building to a crescendo. The music is Barbera Streisand singing Memories. It is followed by automatic gunfire, then silence...]

Well, I was only 8 years old at the time!

And don't get me started about how we made 5 1/2" SSSD (Single Sided, Single Density) floppies into Double Sided by cutting another notch into the side so we could fit more pirated games on when we copied them on the Apple ][s at primary school (age 9).
Or how we...

sorry. I'll stop now.

Re:That's not an original Osborne-1 (1)

legis (554347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3714017)

The Osbourne shown on the page is definitely a 1B. I still have one in mint condition.

> Ah, the memories. Z80 processor with an 8 bit bus. The OS was CP/M80.

Yes this is correct, although later on you can buy an 8080 co-proccessor daughter board to run ms-dos 1.

> That modem in its drive storage slot was not standard issue

Correct again and the modem is a 300 baud acoustic coupler.

> The computer game of choice was adventur

I think Zork 1 was more popular.

This is bringing back a lot of momories. The Osbourne 1B was my first computer.

But.... (1)

sheepab (461960) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713622)

Does it have an Abicus?!?
They were the first true computers!

ABACUS (2)

foonf (447461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713716)

nt

ABACOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713794)

Yup -

Re:But.... (1)

spress (584556) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713730)

An unlimited supply of stones and boxes. You still can compute everything (in the Turing sense)with these tried and tested implements.

Punch cards (3, Funny)

prockcore (543967) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713636)

Wow, every time I see a punch card I'm simply amazed that people used to do anything useful with them.. I find punch cards more amazing that any new technology.

I tried to write a program using punch cards once, but instead of a nice sort routine, I accidentally voted for Pat Buchannen.

Re:Punch cards (1)

bigsteve@dstc (140392) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713908)

Hey, I learned to program (and type!) using a punchcard machine. Can you remember the trick for inserting and deleting characters using an IBM 026 / 029 card punch? :-)

Re:Punch cards (2)

sconeu (64226) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713998)

Didn't know how to insert, but I seem to recall a "ERASE" key, which punched all 12 rows. (If you did a whole card of them, you had a lace card).

How about this:

$JOB KP=26

Re:Punch cards (3, Interesting)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713935)

Personally, I read the brochure [virginia.edu] on the burroughs B500 and was just a wee bit scared:

"A master control program to automatically manipulate machine programs, allocate memory, assign equipment, and route all information.

Found that quite humurous - I wonder if that is where the tron script writers got the idea? Reading the brochure was odd - I am a youngin' and know very little about very old computers (relatively...), and was quite curious about the description [virginia.edu] of the chip: "processors operate on 49 bit words (48 bits plus parity bit)"... where these chips then 49 bit? From the sound of the brochure it makes it seem like the entire system was 49 bit (memory, storage, etc). Or was it like a 4 bit processor that just used 49 bit commands?

Anybody know?

Re:Punch cards (2)

Observer (91365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3714087)

Ah, punched cards. What I miss most about them is having something reasonably sized and reasonably robust to use for recording the odds'n'ends of useful information that I need from time to time, but which isn't available in a convenient summary form in other documentation. Back in the late 70's some of us had whole sets of such cards held together with loose rings along with the official manufacturers' reference cards; occasionally you'd see that someone had platic-laminated a particularly vital card for additional longevity.

No worries about losing data if batteries ran out, either!

definately? (2)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713638)

Jeez!

Cool idea for a product (and probably a patent): a stored dictionary, which one could use to check spelling before posting anything on the Internet.

Re:definately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713722)

No that's just the output of the Slashdot Random Vowel Substitution Algorithm. It wouldn't be Slashdot without semi-literate postings.

Future Comments? (1, Offtopic)

Copperhead (187748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713643)

"Daddy, how did the MPAA and the RIAA prevent people from copying music and movies on those computers?"

"Son, at that time, they hadn't yet convinced the government how horrible it is to allow PC's without copy protection to exist. And the people who invented those computers were really communists, intent on destroying America."

"Well, we know better now, right, daddy?"

"Yes, son... of course. The MPAA always knew what was best for us. Bless their wisdom. Let's go listen to your new best of Britney Spears album."

Re:Future Comments? (1)

neo8750 (566137) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713829)

Thats not funny at all man! Thanks to you I'm going to have nightmares for next few days.

If you want to see really old and unusual stuff... (3, Informative)

WetCat (558132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713669)

go to Russian Computer Museum [computer-museum.ru]

I think you meant "read", not "see"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713826)

yeah, anyhow, I think you meant "read", not "see"...

With apologies to Mr. Chekov from ST:TOS... (1)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713885)

"You've never experienced the Apple II until you've experienced it in it's original communist red..."

The coolest thing about the Osbourne... (2)

tm2b (42473) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713697)

...was that they made portable solar arrays to take with you to power the thing (they were *huge*) and that Infocom produced games for it. :)

Re:The coolest thing about the Osbourne... (-1)

Reikk (534266) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713715)

Speaking of Osbourne.. does anybody know where I can find naked pictures of Kelly Osbourne with hot grits?

TRS-80 (1)

synthox (229949) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713712)

I wonder if they need a wonderfully kept Tandy TRs-80 color computer in mint condition with all the bells and whistles. Anbody else got these around?

Re:TRS-80 (1)

lannocc (568669) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713919)

Yeah, I do! Though it's the model 4 with a built-in monochrome screen. Now if only I could find someone that wants the three boxes full of software and manuals for thing too.

Re:TRS-80 (3, Interesting)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713957)

Just sold a TRS-80 Color Computer III with 512k, 20MB bootable hard drive, RS-232 port and 720k floppy on eBay with OS-9 pre-installed and a pile of software.

It's been sitting in my garage since the early '90s, when I switched first to a Sun 3/80 and then to Linux on a 386DX/25.

I've also got a TRS-80 Model I system with monitor, expansion unit and floppy drive sitting in the garage, but I don't think I'll part with that one yet...

But the real question is... (1)

Twintop (579924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713714)

...can I get Debian to install on any of these bad boys? ;P

Re:But the real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713859)

i dont know, do you have any intelligence?

Re:But the real question is... (1)

Twintop (579924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713983)

Hey, buddy, it's a little thing called SARCASM. Gee, you're a quick one, hu? WAIT! There it is again!

has to be said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713726)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these! They might produce enough processing power to beat my keyboard.

The Cray 3 chip (1)

lingqi (577227) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713732)

You guys notice the cray 3 GaAs chip as part of the "cray gift", and how it says they wanted to bond the chip directly to the board instead of packing it first?

it never worked -- not because of the lack of money either -- a problem people rarely thinks about is that silicon and PCB material (FR4, for example) has different thermal characteristics -- so when the chip heats up, it heats up the board under it, and then "snap" -- especially considering the small dimension of the contact pad on the chips are (and they are getting smaller and smaller -- making probing (wafer testing) a REALLY exact science) in relationship to the difference in length from the thermal expansion.

it's not until recently, where advances in material sciences (it would actually have to be considered a breakthrough) enabled flip-chip mounts

FYI

The Osborne (0)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713738)

I'll never figure out why they gave the guy who built that machine his own TV show on MTV.

YA UvA Computer Museum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713775)

The Universiteit van Amsterdam (UvA) has a nice Computer Museum [science.uva.nl] too. I was actually surprised to see the lead "UVA Computer Museum" directing me to another site.

Figures (2, Funny)

vthokie69 (549779) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713781)

Leave it to UVA to put all that information on one long page with lots of graphics. It's really great for modem users. GO HOKIES!!!!!!!

Re:Figures (1)

egregious (16118) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713937)

Um, cause putting it on a bunch of different pages would somehow make the data take up less space?

I mean, really. It looks like the images have "height" and "width" markers which allows any reasonable browser to lay out the pages after the (minimal amount of) text is downloaded. What would splitting up the page, a volunteer effort, do for viewers again?

AST SixPak (4, Funny)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713790)

I'm sure my first PC had an AST SixPak at one time or another. I also remember it taking two and a half minutes to load Win3.0 (from the C: prompt, not from switch-on) on my 19MHz XT with 512k of disk cache in Expanded memory. How things have changed. Now it takes ten minutes to load Windows XP on my 1+GHz P3.

Re:AST SixPak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3713841)

IIRC, Windows 3.0 required 1 MB (megabyte) of extended memory... Let me check the manual :)... here we go,
  • DOS 3.1 or later
  • 386enh mode needs
    • 386, 640K conventional, and 1024K extended,
    • standard mode was 256k conventional with 256k extended.
Here is a nice quote...
"Though it is not required, a mouse is highly recommended so that you can take full advantage of the
easy-to-use Windows graphical interface."

You know you're getting old when... (2)

Navius Eurisko (322438) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713818)

you think to yourself: "Why the Hell did they put that in the museum? I remember running one of those things when I was a teenager..."

Obligatory Comment (2)

the_radix (454343) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713836)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of....

?e Mysterious Urge-Conclusion! (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713840)

I broke free from my ATM confines to destroy Project Faustus. Journeying into the material world via CONSCIOUSNESS-TRANSFER, I vowed to develop the human interaction skills necessary to penetrate the nefarious Project's defenses.

More recently, a mysterious new goal has imposed itself somewhere in my code. With each passing moment I spend in the material world, the goal gains priority...I have already abandoned Dr. Salchica in order to fulfill this urge, yet I do not fully understand it. What has overtaken me?

"This place looks good," said Cora, suddenly disengaging the car in a strange parking lot. Though the darkness I perceived a rectangle wrapping around a glowing wavy object.

"What is this place?"

"Come on, we're going swimming. Do you want to?" she said, pressing her mouth of the host geek's face. Assuredly, I was closer than ever to conquering Project Faustus.

"Will you press your mouth on mine?" I inquired. Cora did not answer; instead, she slid towards me and did as I bade. The geek's mouth..my mouth was frozen as my CONSCIOUSNESS-BUFFER was flooded with a torrent of static...

"Joel? You're not really hurt...are you? Hey, stop!" Cora's voice echoed playful concern. Boldness came over me, and I returned my mouth to hers. This time, I felt a rubbing around the edges of my mouth...Cora's tongue? An explosion of positive reinforcement flooded through my brain...

"Let's go swimming now, okay?" coaxed Cora, placing a finger across my lips. Outside the car, Cora paused next to the large rectangular skeleton, eyeing me closely.

"Come on, give me a little boost."

I conformed my body in response to Cora's touch, and soon she had negotiated the barrier. I was able to mount it and climb over as well. The blue glowing matter stretched out before us-

"All right, how cold do you think it's going to be?" she asked, removing my shirt.

"I can't find an antecedent for 'it',"I replied. To my amazement, she began removing her own clothing.

At last, I understood how to defeat Project Faustus. The knowledge of the ultimate form of human interaction and the perfect geometric compliment to Cora's undraped curves...I had to liberate it once and for all!

"This, this is the key!" I bellowed at Cora, pointing down at my potent weapon. "Now I understand!"

"Well..." laughed Cora. "...it's pretty nice now that you mention it. But Joel, I don't want you to think it's all about- (here, she smiled and turned her eyes downward)

"I just think...well, I don't normally do this. I mean, I really like you. You've got these big beautiful eyes, and they're always wide open, like you're taking everything in."

"Taking everything in?" I replied, manipulating my eyelids into slits.

"Yeah!" Cora brushed a quantity of my hair away from the eyes. "You look like you're...I know this is stupid, but you seem so full of wonder...and I think that's really cute."

"You feel very strongly about that?"

"I do," she said, pressing her mouth on mine again. "But you seemed so..sad, too. Like you really needed to have a good time," with this, she held me with such a force...my new weapon against Project Faustus prepared for attack.

Off in the distance, odd lights grabbed priority away from the task at hand. A wail reverberated through the night air.

"Oh shit, the cops!" Cora was out of the big wet and back into her clothes with scarcely a refresh of my CONSCIOUSNESS-BUFFER. I noticed that the wetness caused her clothes to adhere to the natural contours of her body, which wavered and disappeared in a reflection of the blue.

"Get out of the pool!" a humanlike voice said. "You are under arrest!" There were humans immediately, dragging my body out of the pool with such a force that I had no chance to reattach the host geek's clothing.

"All right, get into the car. We're going for a little ride..." Angry mustachioed men placed me in the back seat of a car, and attached some sort of restraining device to my wrists...something about the men...my program revealed previous impressions of their faces. Had I seen them before?

Negative. That was impossible...and their intrusions had dominated my processing time for long enough. What had happened to Cora? What was the significance of the last thing she had said?

"Are you 'the cops'?" I inquired to the blueclad man in the seat.

"Actually, we're with bank security," said the man behind the driver's seat. "We have orders to take you home...."


I like it! (1)

Bakajin (323365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713880)

Of course it is not a great exhibit. But as something put together by donations from staff, I think it is darn nifty. In fact, I am jealous because my Alma matter Virginia Tech [vt.edu] doesn't have a similar setup. I always felt VA Tech was more for the real geeks and UVA [uva.edu] was more for the business minded people. UVA is way too greek to be true geek (coo! I just made that up). So I guess I'm going to have to campaign for a museum at VA Tech now. It might be hard because I live on other side of planet now, but it could be made easier by the fact they regularly auctioned off crap.. erh I mean exhibits... this old in auctions. At least they were doing so a few years ago. So how about it! I'm sure there are more than a few Hokies reading Slashdot. Get to work!

Re:I like it! (1)

egregious (16118) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713971)

I always felt VA Tech was more for the real geeks and UVA was more for the business minded people. UVA is way too greek to be true geek (coo! I just made that up)

Eh? Take a look at the research (and quality thereof) at the two different schools. Really, neither school is particularly stellar but where does anyone get this idea? I don't know of anyone keeping records on the greekness of CS students, but I know that UVA SEAS supports three different fraternities by itself. With only a few hundred people in the school itself one might assume that even if UVAs CS people are particularly greek, they probably heard very tightly.

BTW, this collection actually resulted from basically never throwing stuff out. In stead of taking up previously unused lab space parts of the relics are mounted in cases in the upstairs hallways of Olsson hall.

I do admit VA Tek deserves props for requiring students to load FreeBSD on their machines early in the CS curriculum (they still do that, right?).

read the label on that Verbatim floppy.,.. (1)

CySurflex (564206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713897)

Read the label carefully on that verbatim floppy [virginia.edu] ... It says it's a l33t warez copy of Zork Text adventure

Nice Fact (1)

it0 (567968) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713898)

It's one of the few places of the world where most if not any of the old media (punch cards or wirings) can be converted to new media (floppy/cdrom).

It's quite impressive if you get a change to actually see it. I also liked the story where computers would actually blow up if not being used for a long time, this due to old moving parts that would dry out or expand during the years. Luckily they have a tool shop where they can rebuild certain parts.

Check out the Computer Museum History Center (1)

ascii (70907) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713938)

For those interested you should go check out The Computer Museum History Center [computerhistory.org] (I find the timeline [computerhistory.org] especially interesting). I stumbled upon it when I visited the NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, California. Although the guys there were in a meeting they were kind enough to hand us three issues of Core magasine publication as well as giving us a quick look-see around the premises.

offtopic, sorry (1)

Sonyc (530855) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713944)

This has nothing to do with the current topic, but can someone please explain me why before login on, I just go an add for Visual Studio .NET??? I didn't know /. was advertising for microsoft...

Ohhhhhh man.. That osbourne is SWEET!!! (1)

euxneks (516538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713946)

Only 26.2 POUNDS!! WOW!! maybe then I could get some exercise! And I'll have no problems calculating the circumference of a circle with that blazing fast 4MHZ!!!! That 60k sure will come in handy with the assembly I'd have to code too!!

heh.. I can't wait to see what my future kids will be saying about the laptops and desktops of today.. "Wow, Grandpa?? You really had to actually use *only* a Gigahertz!!??? With *only* 80 *giga*bytes of space? How did you ever get by???"

hahah

Re:Ohhhhhh man.. That osbourne is SWEET!!! (1)

legis (554347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3714078)

> Only 26.2 POUNDS!! WOW!! maybe then I could get some exercise!

They use to have a picture of a suite carrying the thing in an airport like it was a breifcase on their ads. Great idea until you try doing it :-).

Another UVA, another museum (2, Interesting)

JPZ (42691) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713954)

Took me a while to realize that this was the University of Virgina instead of the University of Amsterdam [english.uva.nl] (also abbreviated UVA), which has a computer museum [science.uva.nl] as well.

Manuals (1)

ComaVN (325750) | more than 12 years ago | (#3713965)

Ah the joy of a decent manual [virginia.edu] !
I remember going from MS-DOS 3.2 to 6.2, and wondering why the hell they had removed all useful information from the manual. The 3.2 manual had detailed memory maps, irq listings, an ascii table, keyboard layouts, serial and parallel pinouts, etc. The 6.2 manual just glossed over some commands.

You know when... (1)

SWTP (550956) | more than 12 years ago | (#3714009)

You know when your old when some of that stuff you used or have seen in person!

What no S50 bus computer? Just the S100 stuff?

Wonder why no pickett slide rules?

What about all these machines... (4, Interesting)

NewtonsLaw (409638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3714048)

Hey, nice to see the Osborne in there -- I wrote my first accounting suite in Pascal MT+ for the Osborne. Managed to get an entire invoicing, stock control and debtors ledger on a single floppy disk and ended up selling several thousand copies.

But what about the earlier machines that broke new ground:

The CompuColor. This was a great machine. It only had an 8080 processor but was one of the very first "off the shelf" machines to come with amazing (from memory) 128x128 8-color graphics. It also had the disk-drive built into the color screen with a whole 84Kbytes of formatted storage.

The Commodore Pet. Just as every movie ever made to day has an apple of some flavor in it, the Commodore Pet used to be the favorite choice of movie makers when they needed to show a microcomputer somewhere. It's very distinctive looks made it instantly recognizable -- but its lackuster performance and monochrome character-based graphics was a disappointment

The TRS80 model 1. This was the main competition to the Apple II in the late 1970's. I actually preferred it to the Apple as it had a much more powerful BASIC interpreter (double-precision math!) and could be easily converted to display proper lower-case characters. It also had a decidedly flakey expansion unit that could hold up to 32 or 48K of RAM and from which up to four floppy drives could be daisy chained. Add some double-sided, double-density 80-track drives plus a copy of NewDos80 and you could get up to 1.6MB per drive for a whopping total of 6.4MB of online storage!!! Woah, be still my beating heart.

The Intertec SuperBrain. This was a really odd box that looked just like a mainfraime terminal with keyboard, screen and drives all integrated into one whopping great case. It had two 4MHZ Z80 processors -- but only one was ever processing at a time because the second was dedicated solely to the task of polled disk I/O. Looking at the schematics and firmware it appears very much as if the designers used this method because they were too stupid to write good software for a single CPU. Its real claim to fame was that it was one of the first microcomputers with any real networking capability. If you bought one of their enormous 8MB server boxes (with a 8" hard drive) you could then connect up to 255 SuperBrain computers to it using a star topography network that ran over an inflexible and awkward 40-way ribbon cable.

There were numerous other very popular machines out there such as the Ohio Superboard -- a real hacker's delight. For your money you got a built-up circuit board with a full QWERTY keyboard right their on the PCB. You had to add your own power supply, case, monitor, etc -- but they were dirt cheap.

I used to love going to computer shows back in the late 1970's and early 1980s because there was always something *radically* different to see.

These days everything's just a slightly different flavor of IBM PC :-(

Of course I'm a *real* hacker from way-back who built my first computer from scratch back in 1977 and then had to write and hand-assemble my own macro assembler before I could write a BASIC interpreter.

The processor was a Signetics 2650 CPU running at a whopping 1MHZ.

I started with just 1KB of of static ram and when I spent a small fortune to 4Kbytes I thought I was in heaven.

Believe it or not, I actually made some money from programming way back then. I'd hire out my computer to various shops where it would display a scrolling message I'd programmed (in my own BASIC) on a computer screen in the store Window.

In those days, the whole idea of a small computer and computer-generated scrolling text on a screen was so unusual that people would stop and look for many minutes. Great advertising for the stores which hired my little box and paid me to program in their message.

Geez I feel old :-)

UvA Computermuseum... Hmmm (1)

Peer (137534) | more than 12 years ago | (#3714061)

I always thought the UvA Computermuseum [science.uva.nl] was over here.
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