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fp (-1, Offtopic)

freebsd guy (543937) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744875)

first soccer sucks post

Re:fp (-1)

Stock Quote Troll (583080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745009)

I agree with this post.

DIN DIN! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744877)

I want chicken. I want liver. Meow Mix Meow Mix Please Deliver.

for all you AC's that are "changing over" (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744961)

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First Jennifer Love-Hewitt Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744886)

She's fit, and needs a boning. Aiiiiiight!

Sounds like fun... (1)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744892)

... until the robots try to escape!

Re:Sounds like fun... (2)

grytpype (53367) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745048)

It could happen! Check this [] out!

Early, Anonymous, and WIDE it don't get any better (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744895)

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Re:Early, Anonymous, and WIDE it don't get any bet (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744945)

an exact description of sex with your mom.

You sure about that? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744904)

Although as the article says, it will be a while before we can pit androids vs humans on the same field.....

I think you meant on the same field fairly. Have an inferior product has never stopped Linux from competing with a Microsoft offering and losing time and time again, why should this be any different?

Ouch (2, Funny)

d_lesage (199542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744906)

Although as the article says, it will be a while before we can pit androids vs humans on the same field

Wouldn't want to get tackled by one of those.

I guess there wouldn't be as much faking on the field then...

Re:Ouch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745047)

Injury is the whole point of choosing soccer as the venue for robot sports development. The robots must not harm the humans -- the technology must be developed to a level of sophistication that prevents injury to non-robotic players.

Re:Ouch (3, Funny)

EFGearman (245715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745139)

Hey, I'd just hate to be slide tackled by one. Forget anything else. That would hurt.


Re:Ouch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745143)

According to Gilligan's island, playing in an atypical, "chaotic", or otherwise unexpected fasion is how humans can beat a bunch of robots. So outrageous behaviour IMHO would actually increase on the part of the human team. Of course, you could still see less faking because the robots would be less prone to it . . .

whats next (1, Redundant)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744910)

robot hooligans?

Bleh (2, Interesting)

ALoverOfPeace (586114) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744913)

Who wants to watch robots play soccer [] ?

Re:Bleh (1)

vrmlknight (309019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745013)

who wants 20 min of talking and only 5 min of real robot fighting the BBC has a robot wars type show several years ago that was way better they also had to go thru obstacle course and to allot more than just fight. The robots in robot wars on comedy central would get torn to shreds to the old school ones on robot wars on the BBC

Re: Bleh (1)

Fig, formerly A.C. (543042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745170)

Yes, in the English spirit of giving so much more you got 45 minutes of talking and a whole 10 minutes of fighting. :-)

Honestly, Comedy Central's Battlebots is a lot better than Robotica, which has the obstacle course format you were speaking of. That show is just plain f-ing boring.

And the third choice here is part pro wrestling (they have an ex-wrestler for an announcer) and it is the LAMEST...SHOW...EVER!!!

Who wants to see RC cars... (1)

devross (524605) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745155)

...fighting it out. 'Battle Bots' are just big-ass RC cars with weapons too weak to do any real damage. Also, who wants to mod up a post referencing a show on Comedy Central? Huh..

Re:Who wants to see RC cars... (1)

Fig, formerly A.C. (543042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745222)

with weapons too weak to do any real damage

Come back and post again after you have actually watched the show, ok? Not every design is a shredder, but there are many designs that are quite effective. Or do you want to see flamethrowers and tacnukes? :-)

We Scorched the Sky (-1)

Hawk357 (200208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744919)

Remember we were the ones that scorched the sky.


mike3411 (558976) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744922)

Clearly not true. Haven't the writers seen talk-show hosts?


Fig, formerly A.C. (543042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744971)

Or lawyers? Politicians maybe?

50 years? (2, Interesting)

jglow (525234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744923)

The RoboCup people have made it their goal to create a team of robots tht will beat the world cup winner by 2050. Pretty amazing stuff.

Calling all Cockeaters! CUM AND GET IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744926)

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It's not soccer, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744933)

it's football, you stupid merkins.

Notice how the truly stupid throw that word around (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745027)

It's soccer you eurotrash piece of shit.

You like to call soccer "footbal" because you have a well-earned inferioriy complex. You know that football is a real sport played by real athletes. As you know, soccer is a kid's game played by pussy eurotrash.

You believe that if you call it "football," you somehow become less of a pussy.

Re:Notice how the truly stupid throw that word aro (2, Insightful)

vrmlknight (309019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745070)

Actually they call it football because you use your FEET which sounds more like a game played with your feet.
1) A game where you kick a ball and use almost nothing but your feet
2) A gamer where you hold a ball and run and try not to get tackled my large sweaty men

Re:Notice how the truly stupid throw that word aro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745180)

A gamer where you hold a ball and run and try not to get tackled my large sweaty men

Run? Running is done with your feet. Dumbass. The original assertion (football vs. soccer) stands.

Re:It's not soccer, (-1)

Stock Quote Troll (583080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745033)

Call it Football or Call it Soccer...if it looks gay, acts gay, and smells gay ... it's gay!

Origins of the word. Re:It's not soccer, (1)

Eye of the Frog (152749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745206)

According to Garry Archer, who's played for both English and American Football/Soccer clubs, soccer is an English word merged from "rugby" (or rugger) and association football. Take a look at the full explaination:

Or look it up on the net your damn selves......

US Team (1)

red5 (51324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744934)

eulogy-for-the-U.S.-team dept.

Yah, like the US count be germany at this :)

Robocop 2002? (2, Funny)

Nermal (7573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744936)

Ok, did anybody else read that as 'robocop 2002' and cringe?

Re:Robocop 2002? (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744956)

shut up, you damn retard. no one cares about you retarded vision.

Re:Robocop 2002? (1)

Zelet (515452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745076)

I really liked Robocop 1... the other 2 blow.
I bet with special effects and the right actors/story, Robocop 2002 the movie would kick ass. (Robocop kicks the shit out of international terrorists for 2 hours)

I wonder.... (2)

The Ape With No Name (213531) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744938)

I wonder if there is a Zlatko Zahobot or a Keanebot that stomps off the field calling the coach a "Gearhead now and a gearhead when he was a player." Do you give the players punchcards instead of booking them the old fashioned way? What about hooliganbots that trash serverrooms after England gets whipped by the Faroe Islands?

I always did like Cyberball (1)

mthyen (28477) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744939)

Robots playing football with an exploding ball. What a great game!

Re:I always did like Cyberball (2)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745003)

Cyberball kicked ass! I wore out many a joystick on my Amiga over that game.

When they can play against humans.... (1)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744944)

Will they get thier own team for World Cup play?

Robocup 2002 (2)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744948)

Was I the only one that thought this was the latest Ronco invention?

Re:Robocup 2002 (1)

ringolevio (583860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745050)

I figured it was Nike invention being worn at the World Cup.

I'm on a team... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744949)

I'm on the University of Virginia team, and we're in the simulation league. We don't have physical robots. The result is we don't have to spend the effort on mechanical concerns and image recognition, and we get to devote more effort to the AI aspect of the competition. In the simulation league, the robots DO get tired, they do miss shots, and they have imperfect information. The idea is to remove all physical considerations from play and have them win on intellect alone. The robots being used in competition are no where near the level required to beat a world cup team, but I imagine that once they get close, these "humanizing [] " factors will be added to keep the match fair. At the current rate of development, I expect this to be well before 2050.

Re:I'm on a team... (1)

vrmlknight (309019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745046)

That's pretty bad programming on your part if they miss you should devote more to the angle calculation algorithms. What the hell do they get tired from???? Why the hell do they have imperfect information all they need is better sensors oh wait this is all simulated so its crappy programming on your part if your going to simulate something simulate it to the best of your abilities putting voluntary problems in to a program sounds like Microsoft tactics

Re:I'm on a team... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745166)

I hope you are just trolling. The whole point is to create human-like AI. That includes making mistakes. I'm working on a research project doing gamebots for unreal tournament. We don't want a bot that can kick the life out of any human player, we want one that simulates the human learning experience and performance variables.

inspiring (0)

Sir Elton John (577301) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744950)

First they beat us at chess. Then they take our jobs. Now they challenge our authority in football. What next?

I think it is only a matter of time before the machines take over. Strangely enough, I'm not worried. I've seen the cruelty of this world, the irrational hatred and fear that almost defines humanity. I've seen the pain that one human can put another through in the name of love.

There is something colder than the heart of a machine. And that is the heart of a man.

Re:inspiring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744985)

A bit heavy on the melodrama, don't ya' think?

Re:inspiring (1)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745078)

Dude, that was way too deep.
Now I'm depressed, and going to have to enter into a monestary and live out my life under a vow of silence.

one word: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745122)


Re:inspiring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745184)

John... don't be such a pill.

look at it this way -- your one true love is slobbering somebody else's knob right at the moment. Hey, at least one of the two of you guys is in a good mood, that's better than nothing.

Not androids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744951)

I don't think the bipeds are competing, just exhibition.

Wow. (4, Interesting)

bluemilker (264421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744953)

I didn't realize robotics had gotten anywhere near this point. I think a lot of people underestimate exactly how hard it is to get a robot to do something like, for example, find a ball. Now these robots are walking (a significant challenge, from my experience... :) kicking a ball, and interacting with each other? Pretty incredible.

I wonder how sophisticated these humanoids can get. Can they pick themselves up if they stumble? Can they figure out whether another robot is on their team? Can they pass? The article seems to imply that at this point, they're not that much more than glorified mechanical penalty kickers.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745062)

The article very vague on the specifics of these "robots". I wonder if they operate under fully automatic control as true robots do, or if they are really just remotely controlled toys (like battlebots).

Re:Wow. (1)

bluemilker (264421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745127)

I think the article specified that the robots must be programmed, not controlled.

Re:Wow. (1)

natefaerber (143261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745191)

Most don't walk. They have wheels that are optimized for lateral movement and such. They do have an Aibo division that is quite interesting in regards to walking and shooting.

Re:Wow. (1)

tid242 (540756) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745231)

so i saw a scientific american frontiers show on PBS quite a while ago, never cared much for the robocup stuff until i'd seen that, and now, man is it ever awesome to read about... ultimatedly i think this is a great way to make technology "fun," there's too much seperation of the mega-sports leagues vaguely reminescent of ancient gladitorial social-control and the arts & sciences...

but anyway:
Can they pick themselves up if they stumble? Can they figure out whether another robot is on their team? Can they pass?

as of last year the 4-legged autonomous robots (there are different leagues: 2 & 4 legged autonomous, and 'wheeled boxes' of which the team is controlled by one computer and viewed by an omnipotent eye (above the playing field)) could pass to one another, recognize team vs. non-team (by color i believe, though unsure), and even 'squeaked' to one another to announce control of the ball if out of the line of sight of team-mates (ie behind them). at the time the SciAm show was aired the 2-legged league was mostly focusing on walking, but then again a couple of years ago the 4-legged league had robots that couldn't get up if knocked over, and oftentimes got 'confused' and would endlessly wander into a corner...

while world-cup is amazingly awesome (mostly in it's humanizingly unifiying potential) i think robocup could ultimately become a unifier of 'fun technlogy' with a world-wide audience. of course i could be dead wrong (which i usually am...).

my $2*10^(-2)


Forget soccer... (2)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744954)

Let's get this technology implemented for Doom.

Then again...

Won't find in a parking lot... (1)

Vengie (533896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744962)

Unlike the british experiment, I doubt we'll find these robots in a parking lot. (*evil grin*)

However, this does raise a question; When these robots get to the point of being able to really _play_ soccer, what happens when they slam into each other? They have to be able to get back up, re-orient themselves, etc. Raises the question of Asimov's three laws....could they decide to actually harm another robot on purpose to impair its playing ability? (Red card on B-001-05-NZ18 !)

Re:Won't find in a parking lot... (2, Insightful)

thefirelane (586885) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745035)

Not just another robot, consider this:

The robots could never win because they could never be programed to "play dirty". Think about it, when a human does something underhanded to hurt another player you think "That guy is a dick" but it is understandable because he is human and so are you.

If a robot did this, there would be serious reprecussions to both the robot, and the designer. No one would accept a robot that behaved this way, therefore the humans will alway have a considerable advantage.

In the same vein, this is why it is especially tough to build automated drivers for automobiles. With a human bus driver, an accident seems like an inevitable fact of life. To make a robotic driver with human intelligence requires it to also have human faults. It might, late at night, mistake the road as going off in the wrong direction and crash the car. The problem is, for a robot to do this is unacceptable.

This is why really building a robot is so difficult: because of people's relation to them.

People want robots to have the intelligence of people, while requiring the reliability of machines.

Is this possible? Probably, but it is most likely very difficult. Probably even more difficult than simply creating a AI "as good" as a persons.


Androids vs Humans (1)

Wrexen (151642) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744973)

Although as the article says, it will be a while before we can pit androids vs humans on the same field....."

Unless, of course, those androids happen to be buzzsaw wielding, flame throwing, high voltage instruments of death himself [] (and we mix up the rules a bit)

Let's face it, you'd watch it :)

remember the good times (0)

rocket97 (565016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744976)

Past the road to your house
That you never called home
Where they turned out your lights
Though they say you'll never know

I remember running through the wet grass
And failing a step behind
Both of us never tiring
Desperately wanting

When they pumped out your guts
And filled you full of those pills
You were never quite right
Deserving all the chills
They say the worst is over
Kicked it over and ran
Then they ask what went wrong
When they turn you on again
They turn you on again.

Kick them right in the face
Make them wish they weren't born
And if they bring up your name
Well they'll say you won the war.
Baby burst in the world
Never given a chance
Then they ask what went wrong
When you never had it right

Oh the letters have dropped off
Though they say you got them all
I finally figured out some things you'll never know.
Take back your life and let me inside
We'll find the door if you care to anymore.

I remember running through the wet grass
and falling a step behind
Both of us never tiring
Desperately Wanting.

Well duh! (1)

soulctcher (581951) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744978)

Of course it takes that long to clear the dinner table. Look how short they are!

Pro-US censorship at slashdot ? (0, Offtopic)

Krapangor (533950) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744979)

Speaking of football, I have to mention that I'm very surprised that Slashdot didn't have any information about the historic loss of the US football team against Germany.
As far as I understand football is considered to be a "weird" or "nerd" sport in the US, so this would be "News for Nerd. Stuff that matters."
Or are you just rejecting stories which shed a bad light at the US ?

Re:Pro-US censorship at slashdot ? (0, Flamebait)

ringolevio (583860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745037)

football is considered to be a "weird" or "nerd" sport in the US

It's not weird, just stupid and boring.

Re:Pro-US censorship at slashdot ? (1)

Universal Nerd (579391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745049)

Ooooh alright, I'll bite... :)

Or, as with most sports events, they are NOT news for nerds, I don't remember Slashdot praising the Patriots for the superbowl or the Red Wings for the Stanley Cup (Go Wings!) or the Lakers. Come to think of it, CmdrTaco et. al. didn't even mention any of the gold metals that the US has received in the last few olympics (summer and winter)...

Maybe it's just me, but if I want sports news I'd check in to or a good sports magazine on line.

Re:Pro-US censorship at slashdot ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745058)

nope. not even "nerds" give a shit about soccer.

Re:Pro-US censorship at slashdot ? (2)

bje2 (533276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745081)

why is the loss historic? i think it was historic that the US made it to the round of 8, sure...but Germany was pretty heavily favored in the would have been a huge upset if the US won...but they were expected to lose...

had they won, it would have been "historic"...not quite the level of US Hockey over Russia in 1980...but still "historic"...

Lots of factual errors in your post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745098)

The US did not lose to Germany in football today, because the US & Germany did not play football today. They did, however, play in soccer. And, yes, Germany won.

Football is not considered a weird sport in the US. In fact, football is the #1 sport in the US. Perhaps you are confused between football and soccer. Please allow me to define the terms for you.

Football is a real sport played by real athletes. Soccer is a kid's game played by pussy eurotrash. In fact, in the US, only girls play soccer.

Not winning a soccer game in no way sheds a bad light at the US. In fact, it sheds a good light at the US. It indicates that Americans do not waste their time playing such a pussy game. Those athletically inclined play real sports like real football and basketball.

Slashbots are notoriously anti-American. Pro-US censorship is the last thing you find at slashdot.

Re:Lots of factual errors in your post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745161)

If I had moderator points, I would mod this +1, Insightful, because that's exactly what it is!

You meant pro-German bias? They played badly. (2)

Augusto (12068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745168)

To be quite honest, the Germans are the ones that looked bad after this game.

Already the press is saying how the US pretty much dominated most of the game, and even ex-German players are criticizing the poor performance of the German team.

Historically, Germany is a "soccer" super-power and has won the World Cup more than one time.

The US is a "novice" when it comes to this sport, and in the last World Cup we finished dead last out of all the countries.

Support for soccer in Germany is great, even the president of that country was photographed watching the game.

So to be quite honest, I'm proud of a 1-0 loss against Germany (let's not talk about the obvious goal & penalty not counted by the referee).

Germans expected to beat the US like they did Saudi Arabia. All they came up with was a "1-0" win. At this rate, the current German team has very little chances of beating Brazil, Spain or even Senegal/Turkey.

I wonder.... (5, Funny)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744981)

....and will be programmed never to commit fouls...

Or, if the programers were smart, to only commit them when the ref was looking away

if (theirscore - ourscore > 3)
while(robot2.check_refs_paying attention() = true)continue;

Re:I wonder.... (3, Funny)

ashitaka (27544) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745005)



Human emotions (1)

Corby911 (250281) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744983)

"Today, however, the simplest act remains a tremendous challenge for any robot."

Well, all they need to create artifical boredrom is a robot with a scoop, and a herring sandwich....

Imagine (0, Offtopic)

metatruk (315048) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744990)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

Re:Imagine (1)

Fig, formerly A.C. (543042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745043)

That would take some balls!

Real Soccer? (3, Funny)

KnightNavro (585943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3744993)

Is programing at the point where it can truly emulate soccer? Will they shoot the losing goalie? Will the Italian league fire the Korean when he scores against the Italian national team? Most importantly, will they riot?

Yeah, what was that about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745148)

Will the Italian league fire the Korean when he scores against the Italian national team?

That would be like the Colorado Avalanche firing Joe Sakic for being on the Canadian Olympic hockey team.

robotic soccer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3744995)

hey maybe one day robotic soccer can have the same lack if fans in the US that real soccer does now. Imagine robots take over the sport of soccer and NOBODY CARES!

Re:robotic soccer (1)

Fig, formerly A.C. (543042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745025)

Actually, soccer is the fastest growing sport in the US. Admittedly, that means precisely squat because it has no real following compared to more traditional American sports, but at least it is growing.

Robocop kicks ass! (1, Troll)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745021)

I hope Robocop goes and beats up those lousy terrorists!

...oh, wait. RoboCUP?

That's just boring, then...

Good Progress for Robotics (1)

Skepsi (308603) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745024)

Even though it is very simple soccer, it is still amazing to think that they can have teams actually play against each other. Taking sports or anything that we do everyday and create machines that can do it can have many positive impacts in the future. Who knows maybe they'll find a more efficient way for robots to run, which in return might result into better prostetics for humans. The more interesting aspect is the AI however. I wouldn't mind taking a look at those algorithms. IMHO.

well now.. (1)

synshyne (585540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745030)

I'm not a big sports fanatic or anything but shouldnt some things be left to humans. Sure we create these nifty robots that bend to our every command and do as they are programed for. But how lazy does that make us...we're now making robots to play our sports, teachers will eventually be dubbed out for computer interaction (i.e. DDR in Gym class, what will come next? I shudder to think...

I got my ramen noodles, and my torengos and my beer...everything else I dont nessacarily need!

Re:well now.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745059)

"we're now making robots to play our sports"

In the long run it might be cheaper than hiring professional athletes.

i beat them all. (1)

pmanheier (316056) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745036)

i realize there's a lot of work behind this sort of thing....and that soccer really isn't the point....

...but really...i would whip all of them.

and bash soccer all you want. bash ALL sports. they've all gone too far.

Robobowl III (1)

hivolt (468311) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745045)

Carnegie Mellon University's hypothetical Robotics Channel [] covers yet another exciting robot sporting event.

Robocup special on PBS.. (4, Informative)

bje2 (533276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745053)

recently i watched a PBS (i think) special on the Robocup...must've been from 2001, if the 2002 one is going on right was hosted by Alan Alda...anyway, it was really interesting...

some of the things the teams could do were amazing...while most teams basically used "brute force" to push the ball into the net, there were some advanced teams that could actually recognize teammates and pass the ball to them...that was pretty impressive...the had kind of a pinball type flipper kinda thing that would poke out near their feet...

another cool thing was that some of the robots (i think it was the same team that could do the advanced passing) could actually "trap" the ball...they had a spinning bar on their front, so as the ball came to them, the bar would spin, and they could keep control of it, by basically continually spinnning the ball towards themselves...kinda like a tread mill...

another progressive idea (and i'm sure the slashdot/open source community will appreciate this) was that after the competition is over, all of the teams are required to share their source code, so everyone starts on the same plane for the next year of research... it's really a cool speical if you can catch it while you're flipping the channels sometime....

Re:Robocup special on PBS.. (2)

Mignon (34109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745173)

after the competition is over, all of the teams are required to share their source code

That's kind of like how real players exchange jerseys after games. Sweat and all [] .

Forget small robots on wheels? Don't think so. (2, Interesting)

pornaholic (242268) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745068)

The motivation behind these human-shaped robots is not at all the same as the motivation of the wheeled robot soccer tournaments. The whole point behind the small robots on wheels is to learn and improve on teamplay and improvisional skills from a software level, not in mimicry of physical ability. These approaches to robot design aren't competitive, they are parallel in the pursuit of higher functionality.

Re:Forget small robots on wheels? Don't think so. (2)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745201)

Hmm. Apply the tactics learned by the wheeled robots to the legged robots. Let the legged ones 'concentrate' on walking/running and other movements. Then upload how to play later. Just like in the Matrix! Interesting. Could save $$$ and faster results too...

How About a What's New File? (3, Interesting) (84577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745071)

I'd like to see a comparison of this year's robots vs. last year's. What new features are being tried out, how much closer are we to the dream of beating the best humans, and what strategies are being rethought?

Everyone always talks about how fast technology like this advances, but when I watch the little Aibo's fight it out, it always looks the same to me. Can anyone provide insight?

Three laws (5, Funny)

rgoer (521471) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745092)

1. A robot may not score on his team's own goal, or, through inaction, allow his team's goal to be scored upon.

2. A robot must obey the orders given it by coaches except where such orders would conflict the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own field position as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Simulate human behavior (1)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745106)

It would be interesting to give each robot a personality, have them play a game, and use the results to predict human behavior.

The next step would be to refine each personality, perhaps trying to emulate a real soccer player, and continue to use the robots to predict the outcome of a game or to find a particular weakness in a player.

It would at least be popular with gamblers. :)

Re:Simulate human behavior (1)

pornaholic (242268) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745131)

I'm not sure it would be very interesting. We'd end up with 2 sides that won't communicate beyond killing a few of each other whenever possible. At least if we were really trying to mimic personality. Just look at the state of global affairs right now - we're just too self-destructive to be interesting.

First Robot Soccer Hooligan! (2)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745138)

I nominate yesterday's robot [] ! A stadium full of these and I think I'll stay home and watch the game on Pay-per-View.

Forget small robots? (1)

ckuijjer (112385) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745141)

Forget small robots on wheels playing soccer ...

Please let not forget about those small robots, the design and contest goals are quite different for the small/medium league versus the humanoid league. If I'm not mistaken one of the contests in the humanoid league is standing on 2 feet for an amount of time (ok.. it's the first year for the humanoid league but come on this doesn't look really spectacular), so this league is mostly about designing humanoid robots and writing software for moving them around without falling.

The small and medium size leagues are a lot more about designing distributed systems of autonomous agents and letting them sort out good strategies for play. I think the non humanoid leagues will be much nicer to look at for some years to come and forgetting about them will make a game of robotsoccer even harder to watch (watching one of those games still consists of waiting for a long time looking at robots that decided they better like it standing still.)

Human's will always win! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3745146)

We'll just put a robots.txt file in our goal! :-)

Wake me up... (1)

Steve Franklin (142698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745159)

...when they build one that looks like Madonna and has a tongue.

I am not a troll. I am a vertically challenged bridge inspector!

first soccer, then baseball (0)

wmol (124342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745178)

how are all those overpaid professional athletes going to ever get that kind of salary out of Unemployment? Doesn't anyone realize what this will do to their lifestyles?

I can see it now, the cover of cheerios, robbie the robot, star pitcher for the NY Yankees - robbie's signature move is the 350 mph curveball.

Could they- (2, Funny)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745181)

Use Gaak, the escaped robot from the UK, to perform soccer tricks the other bots haven't discovered yet?

stupid, stupid. (1, Funny)

denttford (579202) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745190)

Why couldnt they teach them something important, like those nice robots from Krikkit...

Our own insecurities (2)

osgeek (239988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3745194)

The part of the article I found amusing was the end where they assure us that even if robots one day can beat us at soccer that we should still be proud, because building the robots was a human endeavor.

Almost every article relating to some type of AI has to get those little insecurity-based digs in. It reminds me of all those Star Trek episodes where human beings are held up as the treasures of the universe.

It's very telling and sad, really. We can't just celebrate achievement for its own sake, we have to tie it to our family, our school, our nation, or (at very least) our species.

Unfortunately, I don't think that we'll lose that immaturity any time soon.
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