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Is Linux Dead?

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the dead-as-a-fox-baby dept.

Linux 968

TunkeyMicket writes "It appears MSNBC is reporting that Linux has failed as an operating system. By citing the large Linux hype as reason for Linux to be dominating the market, they draw the conclusion that the "open source" alternative has flopped as an operating system. They briefly mention the success of Linux in the server community, but really the article gives Linux as little credit as possible."

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FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768773)

I like to ride my bicycle,
I like to ride my bike,
I like to rub my legs with butter,
and smear them on nearby bushes, letting their leaves droop swiftly.

That is the glory of first post, good sirs.

I too, rub my legs with butter. (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768932)

Thank you for showing that slashdot is indeed full of freaks.

hehe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768775)

1st?

I'm pretty happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768776)

For a failed operating system, this seems to be working out pretty good for me...

Re:I'm pretty happy (2, Interesting)

drewbradford (458480) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768915)

"Still, Linux evangelists like Fedor say that, as long as new PCs come pre-loaded with Windows, the open source community faces an uphill battle spreading Linux beyond corporate IT departments into the home."

Maybe the Microsoft partnerships and service agreements that prohibited retailers from selling computers preinstalled with non-MS operating systems had something to do with it.

Dead? (1, Troll)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768781)

Go take a look at what most web servers on the net are running. Notice the big "MS" in front of NBC

Re:Dead? (1, Troll)

drewbradford (458480) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768839)

The article wraps it up beautifully by saying that "MSNBC is a Microsoft-NBC joint venture."

Re:Dead? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768852)

>They briefly mention the success of Linux in the
>server community, but really the article gives
>Linux as little credit as possible.

Granted, it sounds fishy when a Microsoft sponsored company is bashing Linux. However, with regard to the quoted statement here (from original post), isn't that *exactly* how the Linux community treats Microsoft?

oh yeah right... (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768785)

...like we're gonna beleive a story like given the source: MSNBC

ms shilling (1, Redundant)

alexc (37361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768786)

microsoft company shilling for microsoft? never ...
i am shocked...

Re:ms shilling (0, Flamebait)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768827)

microsoft company shilling for microsoft? never

Yes. I trust much more the unbiased opinions of the slashdot crowd.

Obvious flame from MSNBC. (4, Funny)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768788)


Please don't even bother to respond to MSNBC. They are probably trolling for hits... =)

Re:Obvious flame from MSNBC. (1, Redundant)

dkh2 (29130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768887)

True that. Consider the source. MS (as in Microsoft)NBC. They have a vested interest in perpetuating monopolistic power in Redmond, WA.

Sad News. Linux is Dead. (0)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768791)

I just heard some sad news on MSNBC - Open Source operating system Linux was found dead in its Finnish home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss it - even if you didn't enjoy working with it, there's no denying his contributions to GNU culture. Truly an Open Source icon.

Better get to work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768793)

Well, guess I'd better start wiping all my file and web servers. I wouldn't want to be using an OS that is "dead". Might be dangerous to my health or something.

MICROSOFTnbc (0)

ranger8x (550302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768796)

is MSNBC being biased here, based on the MS part of their name? how can they say linux is dead when it is now more popular than ever before! sure it hasn't taken over yet, but it has vast growth, with much more to come.

Consider the source, Luke (0, Redundant)

leipold (103074) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768797)

And what does the 'MS' in MSNBC stand for, eh?

Oh great! (4, Funny)

CaffeineAddict2001 (518485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768800)

Where am I gonna find a penguin shaped coffin?

Re:Oh great! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768865)

Actually, read the article.
It clearly retorts its own headline, and explains that in fact linux is NOT dead.

"A recent survey of 800 companies in North America and Western Europe found that some 40 percent said they were either using or testing Linux, according to the research firm IDC. With some 27 percent of the market, Linux is now the second most popular operating system for servers, supplanting the decades-old operating system UNIX; Microsoft holds the top spot."

Ooooohh (4, Funny)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768801)

MSNBC says 'Linux is dead'
/. says 'Linux r00l5'.

An exciting discussion to follow, I'm sure... ;-)

_MS_nbc (1)

rgoer (521471) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768806)

I mean, come on! It's fscking MSnbc. Did we really expect something like "Linux is actually everything it's cracked up to be... as a matter of fact, Microsoft, our parent company, might as well shut its doors; they're cooked."

In another article.... (3, Funny)

Asikaa (207070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768807)

...MSNBC also stated that Microsoft is actually a charity set up by Mother Teresa just before her death, Windows is more robust than UNIX and Bill Gates is the Messiah.

Sheesh.

MSNBC praising Linux would be like /. praising Win (1)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768809)

Why is the article a surprise to anyone?

Re:MSNBC praising Linux would be like /. praising (1)

DrVxD (184537) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768899)

> Why is the article a surprise to anyone?

Because it took so long for it to be published?

MSnbc (2, Funny)

ChrisMG999 (308536) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768810)

And in other news, MSNBC reports that apple smells like poop.

Advertising would help (2, Interesting)

Black Aardvark House (541204) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768811)

Aside from the IBM infrastructure commercials, Linux has received no advertising whatsoever. Word-of-mouth is good, but to reach millions, more work is needed in getting the word out in print, radio and TV.

Appealing to to pricing aspect would be a good first advertising angle.

Linux is dead? (1)

StarbuckZero (237897) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768814)


Damn, I guess that's why I could tel-net into my computer this morning huh?

A new slogan for Linux (5, Funny)

UncleAlias (157955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768817)

Modeled after Apple's "Proudly going out of business for twenty-five years now.", I give you: "Almost dead for ten years now."

Some observations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768819)

Not everything turns out the way you want it to all the time ^_^;;

Plainly, most people are scared of Linux, because most Linux zealots start attacking them (non-Linux using people) for using "Windoze", "M$", and being too simpleminded to learn more about Free Software and Open Source.

The truth is, people want to get their work done, and they'll use whatever they know -- not necessarily what's the cheapest -- to do it. They don't really give a damn about philosophy or anything like that.

Dead? (1)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768820)

It amazes me that MSNBC would state that linux is dead. Local BBS systems are dead since the Internet. As an IT consultant I learned real quick that no OS dies. I still have to support an old DOS 3 machine currently. I hardly would call Linux dead.

objective reporting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768821)

cnn caters to liberals
foxnews to conservatives
and msnbc to MS drones

Re:objective reporting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768889)

foxnews caters to conservatives?

you're talking about the same fox that brings you "when animals attack" and bachelorettes in alaska, right?

Oh man (1)

prof187 (235849) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768822)

<sarcasm>I guess that since MSNBC has declared it dead, we had all better switch to Windows now. No sense in continuing to use Linux if it will just sit there and rot.</sarcam>

haha (1)

scriptopia (257044) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768823)

What an absurd thing for a biased article to be written by microsoftnbc! If this is the case, what about .net? So far that has been hyped out the wazoo and has been a total failure! What about xp? XP sales have been slow and 'very' disappointing. Using their theory, anything that doesn't completely dominate is a total failure? That is laughable!

ryan

MSNBC has failed as a news channel (0)

mikethegeek (257172) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768824)

Which is the conclusion you come to when you see their ratings... Almost no one is watching when compared to CNN or Fox News...

It's MS NBC. An obvious connection there. And bias. Obvious FUD meant to mesmerize the clueless.

If you want to say that Linux has failed as a DESKTOP OS, fine. But as a server OS? hardly.

Re:MSNBC has failed as a news channel (2, Informative)

bla (96124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768925)

If you want to say that Linux has failed as a DESKTOP OS, fine. But as a server OS? hardly.

actually, that's exactly what the article says. the frontpage blurb is the usual /. overreaction.

Not quite (5, Informative)

splume (560873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768825)

I don't think that is what the article was saying. It praised how well Linux was doing in the server market, taking on the older more established *NIX big boys. The only failure the article mentioned was how it has not make a significant impact on the desktop at home. Well Duh! When a company such as Microsoft has a monopoly, I think it is going to take more than just a few years to crack a hole in that shell.

the story came from... (1)

TheCyko1 (568452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768826)

Ok, fist lets see where this story came from... it's M$NBC, last i heard, the M$ stood for Microsoft. Now, i may not be the smartest person here but i doubt it takes a genius to figure out that this is just more Windows propaganda

Its Official (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768828)

Its time to reformat, because it is now official.
MSnbc says so.

Just silly (1)

soybean (1120) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768829)

In other news, some news agency owned by some chess player playing black declared that white will loose.

Linux or Stephen King? (1)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768830)

Well, from what I've seen, it's more likely that Stephen King is dead than Linux.

"Linux was found dead in a dark New Orleans alleyway this morning. The police are not releasing any details at this time, but witnesses claim to have seen a thin man wearing glasses and messy hair entering a limousine near the area last night, carrying a solid gold baseball bat."

What part of (0, Redundant)

Shaper of Myths (148485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768832)

MSnbc are we missing here? Is this really a surprise article considering the source?

msnbc should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768833)

get together with the bsd is dead guy

Read the article... (4, Insightful)

billmaly (212308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768836)

It gives props to Server based Linux installs, and states, like many others have, that desktop Linux still faces an uphill battle. Not really the flamebait of an article like /.'s headline would indicate.

Re:Read the article... (5, Informative)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768908)

Some more thoughts along the same lines as the parent post. I have to wonder if the only way to get anything posted to slashdot is to submit flaimbait. The article is a well balanced assesment of where linux is today after all of the yesteryear hype. They don't say linux is dead, and the article actually hints around that more and more companies are moving to it for financial reasons. For all those slashdotters claiming that msbnc is biased, well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Here's what happend to Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768841)

LNUX VA SFTWRE CORP 0.871 -9.3%

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=LNUX

ooh, gotta reformat this thing now! (1)

bbh (210459) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768843)

Ack, where can I buy Windows XP???? I need to get this carcass of an OS off my system as soon as possible. I thank MSNBC for informing me about this. Otherwise I would have continued to use this dead OS.

bbh

BRINNNG OUT YA DEAD! (1)

gwizah (236406) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768844)

Wait...MSnbc is reporting this?

Well we all know what MSNBC is fair and just
about reporting the news? That every cloud has a silver lining. That means whatever happens with this whole Linux thing, it's for the best. I mean, don't sit there with your hands in your pockets. It will get better! I still beleive in Linux. Steve Jobs does too!

Yeah riiight (1, Redundant)

forged (206127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768845)

From previous articles, it appears that Walmart doesn't [slashdot.org] think [slashdot.org] so.

Linux dead? (1)

ranjeetw (582583) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768846)

The title does not say "MS wish list" ;-)

How is this article biased against Linux (2, Informative)

Knytefall (7348) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768847)

if it includes a quote from HP: "Linux is becoming more and more mainstream everyday?"

read the article (4, Insightful)

gargle (97883) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768848)

Go read the article. It's actually pretty reasonable and well-balanced; the same can't be said of the /. summary.

well coming from msn... (1)

deviantonline (542095) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768855)

obviously a microsoft owned news source is going to diss linux... especially considering the trouble that ms has faced over the years with the valid competition that linux has provided... can you say conspiracy? - look at it this way, msnbc is in my opinion a business persons news source - its watchers are the ones who actually know about the relevance that linux plays in the IT world. Saying stuff like linux is dead is a good way to get its watchers to start to think believe that, thus securing ms as the stable business oriented os in their so easily manipulated minds....

Define "failed" (1)

zenintrude (462825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768856)

if it's defined by sales, then i'd believe it can be construed as such, but...


ok, this is just stupid...

The King is Dead! Long live the King! (1)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768860)

Seriously, who cares what he says..

I agree with him absolutely in his observations. Linux has zero share on the Desktop. Duh!!.. Isnt that we wanted anyway ?

Ask him to look in to the server market! Ask the Giants in the server market! Are their knees shaking at the prospect of losing their entire share to a bunch of revolutionary coders ? Absolutely!

What John W. Schoen of MSNBC did was take the age old "Linux doesnt have a share in the PC Market" and gave it a new spin.

I could see the intent of this article in the wake of Microsoft Tablet PC. M$ in their infinite wisdom needs to ensure that the millions of its users look at the Tablet PC as an alternative to using PCs around the house. Now that they have cornered them in to buying a license of XP, they want to tie them down with the latest and greatest "innovations" of all - a low end PC with a touch screen.

I seriously doubt whether Linus and the kernel group would stop development on the new kernel as of today.

MS-FUD-NBC (1)

phillyTIM (527476) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768861)

my god, just when you think microsoft had stooped to its lowest level, they yet again amaze us! this is obviously just an MS FUD ploy; or else it's a left-over April Fool's Day joke. figures MS cowardly presents this on its own propoganda channel; too bad the NBC name & reputation has been brought into this. Just like when Microsoft tried to place FUD in the minds of corporate America with saying that Novell would end support for its NOS's (which Novell emphatically won a recindation from MS on that untruthful propoganda), MS attempts to unduly FUD us again. All I know is that I will never pay a dime again for another peice of MS OS/hardware/service; especially after these low-blows. MS really is just a pathetic organization. Infinately more slimy than even Rambus has been. Let's start a true Microsoft boycott here at our homes and workplace! Show Microsoft we're not taking it's b#llsh#t propoganda any more. MS stands for innovation alright, with all the FUD and propoganda that it conjures (innovates) up to never cease to amaze people and lower itself to depths of infinity!

clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768863)

notice the following quote :

With some 27 percent of the market, Linux is now the second most popular operating system for servers, supplanting the decades-old operating system UNIX; Microsoft holds the top spot. (MSNBC is a Microsoft-NBC joint venture.)


(1) Linux supplants UNIX??? Linux IS unix... (2) They placed the fact they are an MS operation at the best spot I think..

This just in! (1)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768864)

New article on Linux.org [slashdot.org] ! Linux is dominating the desktop arena by outselling M$ Winblowz XP on a landslide quarter.

Re:This just in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768903)

nice link genius -- http://slashdot.org/http

Failed? (5, Funny)

sporty (27564) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768866)

If linux has failed, you should prolly reboot and send any information on what processes were running, what your compile options and all to linus@linux.org

MICROSOFT DECLARES FOES DEFEATED (5, Funny)

soybean (1120) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768867)

Did you hear the news? We've been defeated. Dang, I thought we were doing just fine. Well, I'm glad that I found out now and not years from now. I guess I can go back to my day job.

Spellcheck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768868)

Okay, if Linux is so bad, then why didn't the software that MSNBC is using (Microsoft-based, undoubtedly) catch the misspelling of Finnish?
Oh, and I'll be sure to get some themes for my "Evolution" desktop. If Linux ever does die, it'll be because of penguin bashing journalists who don't do their homework (i.e. John W. Schoen, MSNBC Sr. Producer)

Slashdot alarmist (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768870)

When submitting stories, I believe there is stated that Slashdot does not approve of subject lines that are alarmist. But they still go on posting alarmist stories appearently. The gist of the story I believe is that Linux is getting more popular but hasn't caught on when it comes to the desktop. Big news. The title is "So whatever happened to Linux?", not "Linux is dead".

This is poor journalism from Slashdot, not MSNBC.

MSNBC Sr. Producer (2)

Pedro Picasso (1727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768873)

Can corporate horn-blowing get any more blatant. Microsoft made this deal with NBC because it was cheaper than printing up their own press releases. Of all the people to write this piece of tripe, a freaking Sr. Producer! His job is specifically to keep NBC and Microsoft happy. This means: A) Make money. B) Say whatever MS and NBC want. This is just intolerable.

This Just in.... (2, Funny)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768876)

It's Official - MSNBC Confirms - Linux Is Dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Linux community when MSNBC confirmed that Linux market share has not risen significantly in comparison to others, less than 5 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent MSNBC survey which plainly states that Linux has lost more market share to Windows, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Linux is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent MCSE comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Linux's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Linux faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Linux because Linux is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

All major surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. Linux continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux is dead.

Fact: Linux is dying

Hm... (2)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768877)

So, we're switching most of the servers to Linux at my Day Job because it's a failure.

We're shifting our development to Java because there's no need for interopability.

Reading this guy's note, the reason why Linux has failed? Because it hasn't taken over the entire Desktop market.

Um...duh. Isn't there a whole trial about why you can't get Linux/BeOS/OS//2 in the marketplace today?

So Linux hasn't won the Desktop market. Maybe it will, maybe it never will. But last I checked, it's moving very well into the server marketplace. It's doing well in colleges. More companies are supporting it every day (and not just little nobodies - folks like Sun, IBM, HP, etc).

I'm patient. I personally use OS X for most of my desktop stuff (IMHO, the best Unix operating system I've worked with), and still rely on Linux on the server side.

Perhaps the whole Pallendrom-thing from MS will shift more companies over to Linux-based OS's for the desktop (hm...we can either spend money to register our custom made applications so they'll run with these new computers and Windows XP Stranglehold version, or switch our computers to Linux and spend the money in development. Hm....)

*BSD is Widening (-1, Troll)

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Email me and tell me what you think of widening! [mailto]

MSnbc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768882)

no wonder, it's MSNBC

Huh? (1)

entrager (567758) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768884)

With some 27 percent of the market, Linux is now the second most popular operating system for servers, supplanting the decades-old operating system UNIX; Microsoft holds the top spot.

Say's who? Last time I polled sites I found around 60% using Apache. About 20% used IIS. While I'm not a professional statistician, I know I've seen similar numbers from more reliable sources.

Is Linux Just A Toy? (-1, Troll)

spanky748 (588047) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768885)

Linux is just a toy
We all know its not a real operating system, you only have to look at some of the window managers and desktop environments to see that the dont even come close to CDE or the Windows 3.1 shell.

When will you sad monkeys learn that the world is laughing at you.

Lament (2)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768886)

Everything I live for is gone

  • Punk is dead
  • Amiga is dead
  • Now Linux is dead

I don't know if IBM is an advertiser on MSNBC, but if so isn't Linux mention obligatorily in every ad? How can the statement be made that Linux is dead when it is growing in market acceptance, being used for critical military projects, used in hospitals and research facilities and incorporating itself into most universities?

typical slashdot response (2, Insightful)

dirtydamo (160364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768888)

I think it would be obvious to anyone who read the article (instead of gasping at the MS in MSNBC) that its content was fair. Linux has been making inroads into the server market, but it continues to struggle in the desktop market.

I have not seen any evidence to indicate that Linux is making significant inroads into the home, and all the wishful thinking in the world isn't going to change that. The article does say that Linux is getting better (in terms of usability, compatability, etc), and I don't think anyone can dispute that either. It just ain't there yet.

Linux is dead? (5, Funny)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768890)

I've been reading Slashdot for a while...this whole time, I thought it was *BSD that was dying...

Or so many people at -1 keep saying, anyhow... :)

Contradiction (1)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768893)

Isnt that a contradiction. Being dead and dominating the market at the same time.

My head hurts from scratching after this one.

MSNBC (1)

NASAKnight (588155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768894)

MSNBC is a Microsoft-NBC joint venture (from the article)

Oh, and they're not biased at all, huh?

I really fail to see their argument. They ask "Whatever happened to Linux anyway?" But then they go on and say "But Linux software is getting better," and "Now Linux is becoming more mainstream every day." They seem to contradict themselves!

OK.... (1)

nuggetman (242645) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768900)

I think we're all well aware that the MS in MSNBC stands for Microsoft. Those who didn't probably figured it out after the first 20 or so posts. You can all stop giving us this information now and return to the standard Microsoft bashing.

He doesn't know anything about Linux (2)

defile (1059) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768901)

From his article, I soaked in two points basic points.

Linux is dead because the huge Wall Street hype machine has died down, and Red Hat isn't making any money.

First, Red Hat != Linux. There is constant innovation and development in Linux, and while Red Hat is a significant force, they are not the whole.

Linux survived for 9 years before Wall Street dildoheads ever knew that it was the next big IPO craze.

Finally, Microsoft is terrified of Linux (which makes the article kind of interesting given the source), even more so today than ever. You can probably find an article on Slashdot on any given day on how Microsoft is trying to do something to kill open source: linking it to terrorism, embrace and extend, incompatible hardware standards, lobbying, etc.

In my direct work experience, the number of systems I deal with running Linux is increasing, not decreasing.

it has failed (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768902)

on the desktop. just as he said, linux is not taking the desktop and it's not ready to compete with microsoft on the desktop. Be happy you got $400 million in server sales last year, that's no small number.

He brings up a good point though. All the linux on the desktop hype we've been hearing for some 3 years now and what do you have to show?

What a spectacular display of intellegence! (1)

Jaegar (518423) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768906)

He based the article on three facts.
1) Red Hat's stock was doing poorly. Really? A tech stock doing poorly in the current market. Strange.
2) Linux hasn't invaded the home user market. Well, I guess Unix was a flop too. Everyone knows that OSes only come from Redmond.
3) Since it's Open Source and created by volunteers, it won't work. I won't even comment on that one.

Understand of course, that the author of this article is biased. But at the end of it, I thought I was reading an ad. He started clamoring on about Tablet PC and XP. I'm just glad to see unbiased reporting is still dead and unwell.

Geeks, this is your chance to email the guy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768907)

Go on, spoil yourself and email the guy: John W. Schoen [mailto] .

You're welcome :)

This is pathetic. (1)

Jennifer E. Elaan (463827) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768910)

This is really starting to sound like certain other operating systems. Every month or two somebody declares Linux dead. While the most obvious is OS/2, that one DID finally die in the end, but took 6 or 7 years to do so. And there is STILL a couple projects to reimplement it, so the death seems to be the fault of closed-source software.

Contrast also with Apple.

Just because Linux gets low numbers of users, it's not the number but the derivative (rate of change) that you have to look at, in order to declare an operating system dead. By this logic, Linux is still kicking, but Windows is dead, since Windows is no longer really increasing in use (they still have sales, but they're almost all "upgrade" sales, hence the attempted change of license methods).

And, somebody please explain, HOW do you kill an open-source work? People like me will always tinker with it, because it's FUN.

Bad interpretation (2)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768911)

The article didn't say it was dead. They said it hasn't made a dent in the home market yet. For it to have failed it would have needed to be adopted and then abandoned and I didn't see where the article claimed that tons of people were dumping Linux.

They also plug MS products so it's definitely biased and more advertising for MS shrouded in a Linux article in an attempt to get geeks to read it.

I think the poster deserves to me marked as flamebait more than the MSNBC article. After all, who reads MSNBC tech news anyways?

Here's a great idea... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768913)

In light of all these accounting scandals, thousands of layoffs and billions in retirement funds pissed away due to the Enron and Worldcom debacles, Arthur Andersen should take a page from MS's book and buy their *own* little piece of the NBC news machine to add their "unbiased" spin to everything. I can see the headlines already!

ArthurAndersenNBC: Arthur Andersen Assures Wall Street of Its Innocence in Recent Scandals

ArthurAndersenNBC: Poll Says Fortune 500 Execs Rate Andersen #1

In fact...we should also expect to see EnronNBC and WorldcomNBC pretty soon, too!

In other unbiased news... (3, Funny)

GeekWithGuns (466361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768914)

In other unbiased news ORCL-CBS has declared MSSQL untrustworthy, NOVEL-ABC has declared Windows 2000 server unstable, and LNX-FOX declared that Windows has no future on the desktop.

MS-nbc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768916)

Trolls or just idiots ?

Propaganda (1)

alstor (587931) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768920)

With some 27 percent of the market, Linux is now the second most popular operating system for servers, supplanting the decades-old operating system UNIX; Microsoft holds the top spot. (MSNBC is a Microsoft-NBC joint venture.)

I love how they actually outright say that the article was written by M$, I wonder what sort of propaganda they will come out with next.

Linux carries on (1)

fishlet (93611) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768921)

I couldn't help but feel that when all the hype was going on that Linux wasn't quite ready just yet. People no doubt found it an interesting alternative as a desktop platform but didn't quite see the level of polish needed to convince them to make the switch. Now that Star/Open Office and KDE3 (and soon Gnome2) are out, we are starting to see a new generation of bigger and better apps. If the grass roots support for linux remains strong (and I'm sure it will- were a devoted bunch after all)... I'm sure there will be another swell of public interest as well. I think next time Linux will be in a better position to impress, woo, and conquer.

Emperor: Can it be done?
DV: Yes my master.

uh, synopsis wrong? (1)

dwaggie (106338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768922)

From what I read, it said exactly the opposite of what the synopsis of the article read as. The article points out that the companies that boomed off it have fallen back, but that Linux as an operating system in the server realm is readily gaining steam. The only place it has failed is in the desktop / home environment, and there's no surprise there. First off, Microsoft has a huge foothold anyways. Without a given reason to change, people won't mess with just what works. If there's no reason to fix anything .. why?
I would point out that this article seemed more a ploy to hype the 'table PC' as they are talking about at the very end. It seems more a job to go 'well, ya know, they haven't made it easy at all to have a home PC. We're gonna'. And maybe sow a bit more of the trepidation of switching to Linux for people who don't know the real differences.

Two Glaring Un-Truths (2, Interesting)

rizzo (21697) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768923)

Created by Finish college student Linus Torvalds, and continually updated and improved by a loose confederation of programmers who aren't paid for their work, Linux is available without the steep licensing fees that come with commercially produced software.

Hmmmm ... it seems IBM pays people to work on the Linux kernel, as we all know already [slashdot.org] .

High on the list of headaches is incompatibilities with files created with Microsoft products like Word.

Eh? [openoffice.org] OpenOffice.org reads/writes Word/Excel docs perfectly. Aside from some bullet-point font issues, Powerpoint handles perfectly as well.

I know people have said MSNBC was good at cracking back at Microsoft, but the author doesn't seem to be going anything other than spraying the same ol' FUD we've all grown obvlivious to.

Where will it end? (2, Funny)

cheezycrust (138235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768924)

Microsoft is hoping to reboot Windows sales

First Windows, now Windows sales... When will they reboot the world?

Does anyone find this surprising? (1, Redundant)

MarvinMouse (323641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768926)

That this article is written, published, and distributed by

Microsoft NBC? (MSNBC)

Not only that but the article is written by John Scheon, an MSNBC senior producer, and not a reporter?

I know in some of the newspapers in Canada (Southam papers in particular), that every once and a while an article will appear that supports the viewpoints and opinions of the head of the newspapers. As well, it is well known that many writers have been dismissed or demoted for writing articles contrary to the owner's opinions. (For example, the writer who was dismissed in Ottawa for saying that the current PM's decision to dismiss Paul Martin was bad.)

As well, you can begin to notice that the opinion page has been showing a more severe bias towards the owners opinions.

Now, I am not against the media, I am just annoyed when the owners of the media use it to portray their viewpoints to the public. I know for a fact that at least with the people I work with Linux is becoming more and more popular. As well, even with my less technically articulate friends and family Linux is starting to appear as an alternative. (All they need is a better installation procedure, since they have heard horror stories from other people about installation.)

I think this article belongs in the opinion section, and not the tech and science section. Anything that has lines like these:

"But adopters of Linux still face hurdles living in a Microsoft world."

"He says he doesn't see much point writing Linux applications for individual PC buyers."

"Microsoft and its hardware and software partners are hoping to usher in a whole new platform... "


is either an advertisement or an opinion piece to me.

Just like this comment is an opinion piece and not an attack. :-)

Which rock has MSNBC "recently" been hiding under (1)

tarkin (34045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768927)

"Until recently, interacting with Linux was almost entirely text-driven -- much like Windows' precursor, DOS"

That's as stupid as saying : "Until recently, Microsoft didn't have any dedicated server os, only Windows 3.11"

I'll leave the discussion that NT *was* a "dedicated" server OS to the slashdot crowd (can you say "uptime" ?)

Is MSNBC sure this article is from 2002 ?

Someone still likes it... (2)

lostchicken (226656) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768929)

...who helps small businesses upgrade to Linux.

Notice he said "upgrade"...

u need more sand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3768930)

You guys and gals better better make sure you've got enough depth in that sand, dont what any part of your head sticking out...

Dead? (1)

cmdr_forge (588346) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768931)

You have to remember MS in MSBBC stands for Microsoft. After IBM, is developing signifigant software for linux. I think this is nothing more than untrue gossip. Like the Drudge Reports on AOL. Drudge is run by Fox who completes with AOL.

Has anyone actually _read_ the article? (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768933)

Nowhere does it claim that Linux is dead. Basically what it says is that since all the big noise was made during the dot.com boom, Linux has been quietly growing in the server and geek markets, and is still improving rapidly, but hasn't yet broken into the home market. This, says the article, is largely because most PCs come with Windows preinstalled. Where exactly is the problem here?

And we care about this because? (2)

fm6 (162816) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768934)

I suppose some people will enjoy arguing whether MSNBC is spreading BillFUD, or is just completely clueless. Seems rather a waste of human potential though.

MSNBC (1)

DemENtoR (582030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768935)

First of this comes from __MS__ NBC, notice the two words MS. So william is up to his old tricks again.

500th redundant point time!! (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768936)

In lieu of a 500th redundant joke(next to maybe, linux being a desktop OS), here is the 500th redundant point!!

LOOK AT THE SOURCE...MS(which means microsoft I make sure and point that out just in case you dont know)NBC owned by MICROSOFT(again i point it out) also known as M$. THEY ARE BIASED obviously(unlike slashdot of course)

Linux is dead? Well ok. (1)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 12 years ago | (#3768939)

Well if MSNBC says linux is dead I guess I'll have to go back to Windows. I guess this also means the millions of companies that have invested 0's of dollars in Linux are going to have to spend millions switching over to Windows because, you know, MSNBC said so.
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