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FUCK GNOME (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 11 years ago | (#3770989)

eff pee nigs

for the CLIT, o'course

CLIT. The place to be GAY. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771186)

I read some moronic comment yesterday from one of you grape smugglers that only those who post at -1 have the right to claim first post, therefore all ac's are denied by default.

what horseshit.

AC's own you. Your logged in faggotry only supports slashdot. AC's own this first post and all other fp's, CLIT or no CLIT. we don't use this "karma" shit, we don't have gay little .sig's and other stupid inane bullshit like that. AC's are just here to troll. you fagits can go ahead and stand aside.

plz fix kthx.

Re:CLIT. The place to be GAY. (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771261)

UH most trolls dont have sigs and if trolls automatically post at -1 then they arent too worried about karma. and if we support slashdot then why are we crap flooding and page widening. you sir are fucking retarded.

Http://dlf.e-lite.org

Yes, (-1, Offtopic)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 11 years ago | (#3770991)

It is I.

Ah, thank god... (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771119)


back to posting at -1. I hate it when my trolls get modded up causing me to post at 0.

sweet, sweet -1, lowest of the lows.

Re:Ah, thank god... (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771155)

yeah, i had a small problem with someone blowing three upmods on me a week ago. luckily someone took me back down 3 pegs a few days later.

-1 is my comfort zone.

gnome 2? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3770992)

shmnome 2.

Sweet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3770996)

I've been waiting for this for a long time...it looks damn good!

Re:Sweet! (1)

georgeb (472989) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771011)

tell me about it... well we just have to wait for the next garnome now, because I have a feeling that we'll have wait for Ximian Desktop 2.0 a little longer.

Re:Sweet! (1)

akvalentine (560139) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771062)

I'm willing to bet that Gentoo will have it ready quite soon. . . Or at least I hope!

Re:Sweet! (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771108)

I think X'mlee will be ready first, with Gnu/Gnome/Linforge following in the footsteps of Plyantaketenko/Linux and RMS-DoodilyDoodilyDilly.

Re:Sweet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771136)

FWIW, the packages already available (but masked) in Gentoo are all the same or (!) newer versions than those in the Gnome 2.0.0 directory on the ftp servers.

DONT LISTEN ITS A TROJON (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771002)

IT IS A TROJON

Oh, this is news and SC2 isn't :) (1, Offtopic)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771007)

I'll burn some karma here, but to those who want to know, Star Control 2 is being ported to Linux, Mac, and Windows at long last, see details at this url:
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/

Re:Oh, this is news and SC2 isn't :) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771019)

Whoa! Rock on!

The only reason a story about this hasn't gone up is because Michael Simms is an ass bandit.

Re:Oh, this is news and SC2 isn't :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771229)

The only reason a story about this hasn't gone up is because Michael Simms is an ass bandit.

He is, in fact, an ass bandit with moderation points.

Re:Oh, this is news and SC2 isn't :) (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771188)

Trolling aside, this is my all-time favorite game. I'd love to see an online melee.

First Congrats Post (0)

colmore (56499) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771008)

I don't have time to evaluate it soon, so let me be the first to congratulate the team on reaching this milestone. It's gotta be a little easier to breathe now.

I'll let others congratulate them on the quality of the product.

Re:First Congrats Post (0, Offtopic)

colmore (56499) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771089)

oops, shoulda clicked the "No +1" box on that to avoid an Overrated, and a hit on the karma.

Oh wait... who cares about karma?

Re:First Congrats Post (-1, Offtopic)

JordanH (75307) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771115)

Your first post in this thread should get an "Overrated", but the next one should get an "Insightful" to make up for it.

Am I on topic?

Get To Those Mirrors! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771009)

Re:Get To Those Mirrors! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771100)

South America

ftp://linux.cem.itesm.mx/pub/mirrors/gnome.org

Last time I checked, Mexico was in North America.

WARNING! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771174)

How on earth did you manage to cloak so many URLs to point to goatse? That's incredible! Still, I feel honor-bound to warn everyone away from your little trick.

Re:Get To Those Mirrors! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771178)

WHORE! Christ "i'm gonna post the mirrors and get karma points", yay yay yay!!! maybe slashdot should post the mirrors themselves douche

Re:Get To Those Mirrors! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771244)

Umm HELLO! Anybody home! This guy posted as an AC - just how much karma can he get? Duh.....

Re:Get To Those Mirrors! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771260)

oh, will you look at that... my mistake, dick

I have a mirror here for you people to use (4, Funny)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771010)

It's right here on my VIC-20's tape drive. The URL is --

Cripes, already slashdotted. You bastards!

Re:I have a mirror here for you people to use (1)

microbob (29155) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771102)

Ha! Funny you say that, I just ran across an old pile of VIC-20 tapes the other day. I just laughed....

Re:I have a mirror here for you people to use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771107)

I didn't ELKS(tm) had been ported to the VIC-20(tm) yet - I can't find the URL anywhere???

don't you mean GORP 2.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771263)

What a great game. The first game I ever played religiously.

Fist Post Suckas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771028)

You make me ill!

Excellent work all! (2)

plastercast (234558) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771032)

Good work everyone! I've been using gnome2 from cvs for some time now, and I am impressed with, and greatful for, all of your work. It is an excelent desktop, and one that no longer makes linux seem a compromise.

gnome ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771042)

amen.. is this all we get ?....

looks poor....

Screenshots (5, Informative)

frantzdb (22281) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771050)

For the lazy, here are the Screenshots [gnome.org].

Great work to everyone who helped with this. Gnome2 is amazing.

--Ben

Themes! (2)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771091)

Okay, Theme People, get busy! :)

... and while you're at it, come up with a way to make GTK1 and GTK2 themes match ...

... and since KDE can import GTK themes, make those match as well ...

:)

troll link! mod down! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771093)

warning: that link does a redirect to an offensive picture!

Re:Screenshots (2)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771094)

Yep, slashdotted. The GNOME.org sysadmins are popping the Tums right about now...

Re:Screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771171)

And I submitted the same story after some jerk started flooding the IRC channel I was in with the 'news' even though I thought it was a joke, just to watch the thousands of lemmings jump off of a cliff.

Slashdot Wagering Board #@ +1 ; Fun (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771052)

Posted Daily for your gambling entertainment:

Germany over Brazil: 3-1

Bush Impeached by Dec. 31, 2003: 2-1

Cheney Asks France For Asylum: 1-1

gnome and mozilla released in the same month! (2, Funny)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771057)

What's next, Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:gnome and mozilla released in the same month! (2)

colmore (56499) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771061)

Don't forget Neverwinter Nights!!!

When did we first hear about that, '99?

Re:gnome and mozilla released in the same month! (2)

Fnord (1756) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771191)

And Warcraft 3. How many times has that game been completely redesigned?

Yummy (1)

theEdgeSMAK (467213) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771058)

I wonder when gentoo will put it in the portage tree..

Re:Yummy (1)

cat5 (166434) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771131)

Yeah.. I have my fingers ready to go for 'emerge gnome2'

Let me at it.... Will be nice to have Gnome 2 and kde 3.0.1 on my laptop.

Re:Yummy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771198)

Already there. Portage actually has newer versions of a couple packages in the gnome final dir on the ftp servers.

Patch for direct OpenGL rendering (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771059)

There is a patch available for Gnome 2.0 which allows for Direct OpenGL rednering for antialiasing, etc. On my system, it speeds things up considerably. Right now, its in alpha, and it only works with nVida cards. You can get it here. [sakura.ne.jp]

Re:Patch for direct OpenGL rendering (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771114)

what kind of a sick joke was that, freekish anime nude link, beware...

Makes of mockery of the ealier story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771064)

Kind of makes a mockery of the "Is Linux dead?" story, doesn't it? :-)

If it was true about Linux only getting a graphical interface recently, then the GNOME(tm) development team must surely be congratulated for getting version 2 ready so quickly, without the excessive delays which so often accompany releases of large software titles ;-)

Re:Makes of mockery of the ealier story (3, Insightful)

colmore (56499) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771125)

I don't know what the submitter/editor was thinking on the Linux Is Dead article, because if you were one of the four people who actually read the article, it said no such thing. (In fact, quite the opposite.)

But yes, this, KDE, Moz, and the ever-improving stability of the 2.4 kernel are quite forceful rebuttals of (real) Linux is Dead claims.

If only BeOS had had the kind of community support that Linux enjoys.

the feature I want (2, Interesting)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771068)

Situation: I am browsing the web in Galeon, editting an image in Gimp, or doing something else in some Gnome application.

Now, I decide to save a document. I go to the File menu and select Save..., and am presented with the familiar "save" dialog. The default or current filename is in the text box at the bottom, and the directory navigation boxes are above.

Suppose further that I want to now save the file in a different directory. So I select a new directory, and the filename disappears.

Has this been fixed in 2.0?

YES. (4, Informative)

luge (4808) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771084)

Thank god :)

Re:YES. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771214)

But the final release was announced despite the fact that floating and corner panels scramble the order of their launchers every time you restart GNOME? Utterly insane.

(More accurately, they reorder them to the order in which they were created, and do not save any changes to said order that the user may make.)

(Thus, my workaround is to create a new panel and launchers whenever I want to make a change.)

Re:the feature I want (1)

georgeb (472989) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771103)

This one's been bugging many people in gnome 1.x for a long time. I remember I have checked and saw that gnome2.x solves this... right?

Re:the feature I want (1)

akvalentine (560139) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771105)

It's been fixed in Ximian Gnome. I can only assume that the fix would make it into Gnome2.

But then, what the hell do I know?

Yes, it has (-1, Troll)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771137)

and might I say that this is great news for Linux. For too long users have been having to remember filenames during save operations and now that this barrier to entry has disappeared I think we will see a large influx of users coming over from Microsoft. I think the only remaining problems are font management, DVD watching and support for IE.

Re:Yes, it has (0, Flamebait)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771216)

And printing and support for digital cameras and most popular mp3 players. A lot of people complain about the lack of any decent games, but stupid college geeks aren't really Linux's target market, so that's not a big deal.

Also (2, Funny)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771262)

enterprise porn. Sure with Linux you can view jpgs and even the occasional animated gif. But Linux's support for high-end AVIs and and quicktime codecs is sadly lacking.

Re:Yes, it has (1)

kaustik (574490) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771252)

" I think we will see a large influx of users coming over from Microsoft"

For this? I can see the headlines now (front page of course):
LINUX FIXES MINOR BUG - WORLD REJOICES
Come on now, get a grip.

Re:the feature I want (1)

acroyear (5882) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771213)

Oddly enough, that bug's been a "feature" of Motif's FileSelectionBox for over a decade now. I wonder if Lesstif ever did anything about it...

Re:the feature I want (1)

xkahn (8544) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771258)

Interestingly, this has been fixed in Ximian GNOME for several months now.

Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (2, Interesting)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771071)

What advantages does gnome have? Why would i go with it over KDE 3?
Just a question, not for the sake of argument. i'm a linux desktop newbie.

Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771130)

Gnome 2 is obviously far superior to KDE 3

Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (2, Insightful)

georgeb (472989) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771133)

I really think it's a matter of taste rather than functionality. Both KDE and GNOME are huge undertakements and both seem to have their userbase... Well, of course I like gnome, but wouldn't mind working in KDE either.

Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771156)

KDE 3 is obviously far superior to Gnome 2

Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (1)

ralphie98 (588409) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771165)

As far as I know, the main differences between gnome and KDE are pretty much personal preference. I was a huge gnome fan until I decided to try out KDE 2 one day on a whim...haven't turned back since. It all depends on which interface you like more. I haven't had a chance to try the latest versions of either so it's possible I could change my mind again.

One reason, and one reason only (4, Funny)

unformed (225214) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771209)

Gnomes are hard working little creatures. They are sworn enemies of the Troll race, and it their duty to kill all Trolls upon sight.

Gnomes work hard, fast, and well. What they create not only shows pure power and eliteness, but also their artistic integrity.

KDE on the other hand stands for K00l D3mon1c E133t. The KDE tribe are the "script-kiddies", the "hacks", in the Lunix Empire. They try to look good, and that is their only objective. While they do succeed on some fronts, they fail miserably on others.

All in all, the KDE's are the George Bush's, wheras the Gnomes are the Alfred Hoffmans.

--

That said, it's just a joke, both are truly kickass, but, IMHO, I prefer Gnome (although recently moving to Fluxbox)....

Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (2)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771235)

If you have the disk space install them both. Then you can decide for yourself. The diffs aren't much it's just the apps that require certain dependancies. As a metter of fact you can have both installed and choose on login which you would prefer for the day in this way you can also run KDE apps in GNOME and vise versa.

Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (2, Informative)

jaaron (551839) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771246)

Personally I think the biggest advantage to GNOME is that you can choose your window manager. Now to a Linux newbie that may not mean much, but for someone who has been using Linux for a little while that can be a very nice feature. KDE is great and it's probably best for someone with a Windows background just starting with Linux. KDE is more of an "all-in-one" package. This means a consistant look and feel. GNOME is more component oriented. I can take out one part of GNOME (like the window manager) and replace it with another. That feature adds some complexity and also the feel that some of the applications don't always belong together, but the flexibility is really nice. You can get all the advantages of a desktop, but run a light-weight windows manager that is specifically tuned for your needs.

At least that's my $0.02

i am disappointed (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771085)

hello friends,

i have just downloaded final gnome 2.0 and installed it. i must say gnome 2.0 sucks. i have expected much much more. sorry i stick to kde 3.0.1 now. i may come back to gnome but not now.

Nice... (1, Insightful)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771098)

I'll probably not switch away from KDE 3 anytime soon though.. I tried the last release candidate and wasn't very impressed.. GNOME is nice, but it still feels like everything is glued together instead of nicely integrated.. Maybe in a year or two..

Re:Nice... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771221)

Insightful? This was mod'd as insightful?

Let me try!

Hm. I like Fresca. I don't think I'll stop drinking water and just drink Fresca, though. I tried just drinking Fresca once, and I didn't like it. Water quenches my thirst better than Fresca. Maybe in a year or two I'll try again.

Just great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771117)

You can get more information about the GNOME 2.0 system here.

And thanks to the OpenSSH exploit of the week, you don't even have to download it. Just log in to their test bed and have fun!

More release info with a quick interview.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771128)

TechTV has an article with more info here [techtvfansite.com]

Re:More release info with a quick interview.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771160)

whats with all the sickening nude anime post today, you pervs go post somewhere else please.

Blizzard in Hell (3, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771134)

Gnome2, Mozilla 1.0, Neverwinter Nights..... Damn cold in hell, is amazon turning a profit?
Duke Nukem Forever and Doom 3 just need to come out, and as a nice touch it would be cool if Star Control 2 would be re-released for Linux, Mac, and windows.... oh wait [classicgaming.com] it is, hell is damn cold.

Now time to watch my karma go down the drain, but at least this time I was *less* offtopic.

works great on FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771140)

All the desktops, including GNOME and KDE, work
great on FreeBSD with its stable VM system, which has been stable for years. Why not give FreeBSD a try?

Alan Thicke DEAD. (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771143)

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon. [slashdot.org]
He will be missed :(



Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

The real problem ... (1)

Mr. Mai (587155) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771154)

The problen is not when it is released ... the problem is when will I be able to download it. The mirrors will be awfully full for days =(

2002: The Year of the Linux Desktop (2, Offtopic)

Raul Acevedo (15878) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771166)

This year has been an awesome year for the Linux desktop:
  • KDE 3.0
  • Mozilla 1.0
  • OpenOffice 1.0
  • And now, GNOME 2.0
This doesn't even include a bunch of other cool things, like:
  • XFree86 4.2
  • CodeWeavers crossover plugins and MS Office at 1.0 stable releases
  • Ximian connector for Exchange
  • AbiWord 1.0
  • WineX
And a bunch of other stuff I forget. :) Whether Linux makes it big mainstream or not---and who knows, who knew 5 years ago the likes of IBM and Oracle would support Linux---this is a great year for those of us who Linux as our daily work and home environment. Congrats to all!

Re:2002: The Year of the Linux Desktop (5, Funny)

loply (571615) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771224)

Its also been an awesome year for memory sales. Thousands of terrabytes of RAM are mysteriously purchased on the release dates of Gnome2 and KDE3. I wonder why... ;)

Re:2002: The Year of the Linux Desktop (1)

dalutong (260603) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771272)

now i wonder... what projects can we put into our
"you just wait until PROJECT_X hits "

list?

seems we've run out of excuses..

:)

Porting to GNOME 2 (5, Interesting)

jmv (93421) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771167)

I've got a GNOME 1 applications GNOME 1 application [sourceforge.net] that will eventually have to be ported to GNOME 2. Anyone with experience with that? Is that a two minute job or a long, painful process? I'm using libxml, GnomeCanvas and GnomeMDI (heard it was deprecated in Gnome 2).

Re:Porting to GNOME 2 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771232)

Hi,

You should check out the Porting Plan done by Malcolm Tredinnick here:

http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/porting/

The whole dotplan minisite has lots of useful info.

If you have questions you can ask them on the gnome gnome-devel-list, the archive is here

http://lists.gnome.org/archives/gnome-devel-list /i ndex.html

Hope that helps,

Steve

GNOME 2 and replacing default window manager? (1)

hab136 (30884) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771172)

Any quick guides to replacing Metacity with say, sawfish, or any other windowmanager worth a crap? Especially on Solaris?

Cascade-only window placement, no alt-drag, no alt-tab.. metacity blows.

Using the Debian packages (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771205)

I am using the packages from Debian's experimental archive, and they are very usable. GTK+ 2 has many improvements. I love the uncluttered new panels, the simplified control panels. Nautilus is as good as ever :) There are still many bugs in GNOME 2.0, but I suggest that people should not be shy about trying it.

Looks and feels like a poor rip-off of LiteStep. (0, Troll)

dave-fu (86011) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771223)

It's pretty sad when your best and brightest are put to shame by a bored college student's one-off class project to re-do Windows' shell to make it more customizable, isn't it?

How to upgrade (1)

frooyo (583600) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771225)

What exactly do I need to do to upgrade from Gnome 1.4 (the base install from RedHat 7.3) to Gnome 2.0?

Thanks

Incase you are thinking of running metacity... (4, Informative)

plastercast (234558) | more than 11 years ago | (#3771226)

Incause some people out there are running the "experimental" metacity WM, here is configuration tool I wrote that is much nicer to use than the command line.

http://plastercast.tzo.com/~plastercast/Projects /

Linux is Dead by pwpbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771245)

So whatever happened to Linux At tech expo open source software is hard to find By John W SchoenMSNBC NEW YORK June 26 Just a few years ago one of the hottest topics at this annual confluence of PC hardware and software makers was the socalled open source alternative to Microsofts industrydominant Windows operating system Soon open source proponents argued PC users would be liberated from the burden of paying for software The Linux operating system and other open source alternatives written by devoted bands of volunteer programmers would be available to anyone for the cost of a download But today Windows is still running on the vast majority of PCs So what happened LINUX HASNT gone away But after attracting widespread attention and generating several moonshot initial public offerings during the tech boom purveyors of Linux software and support have fallen back to earth along with their stocks Earlier this month Red Hat which sells about half of all Linux software reported a loss of 43 million on an 8 percent drop in revenues in the latest quarter as corporate customers continued to squeeze every penny of their computer budgets Ironically those tight budgets have helped fuel adoption of Linux by managers of large corporate technology departments Created by Finish college student Linus Torvalds and continually updated and improved by a loose confederation of programmers who arent paid for their work Linux is available without the steep licensing fees that come with commercially produced software Companies like Red Hat sell upgraded versions and provide technical support but dont charge licensing fees Those continuing upgrades have begun to generate increased interest from costconscious technology managers A recent survey of 800 companies in North America and Western Europe found that some 40 percent said they were either using or testing Linux according to the research firm IDC With some 27 percent of the market Linux is now the second most popular operating system for servers supplanting the decadesold operating system UNIX Microsoft holds the top spot MSNBC is a MicrosoftNBC joint venture Numbers like those have caught the attention of computer hardware makers Last year as the personal computer slogged through the worst sales crash in its history Linux server sales jumped by more than 50 percent to 400 million with IBM leading the pack Linux used to be just a bunch of geeks trying to change the industry said Elizabeth Phillips a HewlettPackard spokesperson Now Linux is becoming more mainstream every day Linux is also shining brightly on the radar screens of software makers like Oracle which is heavily marketing the latest version of its highend corporate enterprise software which generates mainframelike horsepower using clusters of relatively cheap servers running Linux LINUX BOOT CAMP But Linux has hardly made a dent in the desktop and home user markets At PC conventions like this one Microsofts Windows operating system still rules with some 94 percent of the operating system market for desktops and laptop PCs according to IDC Despite its growing popularity among computer professionals its still not completely user friendly Its for geeks said Faber Fedor a New Jerseybased consultant who helps small businesses upgrade to Linux Near the end of a long hallway in the basement of the Jacob Javits Center at a wellattended conference called Linux Boot Camp Fedor walked a roomful of developers and IT managers through the basics and not so basics of converting to the Linux world Until recently interacting with Linux was almost entirely textdriven much like Windows precursor DOS So converting meant learning an arcane vocabulary of computerese to give the PC even the simplest commands But Linux software is getting better and now more closely mimics the Windows world that the vast majority of PC users are accustomed to A Linuxbased opensource email program called Evolution looks pretty much like a standard Windows desktop OpenOffices provide most key features offered by Microsoft Office including a word processor spreadsheet and mail program Fedor says these alternatives offer more than a familiar look and feel We dont get viruses he said Last year viruses cost the business world billions but every one of those was on Windows WOOING THE HOME USER But adopters of Linux still face hurdles living in a Microsoft world High on the list of headaches is incompatibilities with files created with Microsoft products like Word Small software makers like Lindows are trying to help desktop users bridge that divide Still Linux evangelists like Fedor say that as long as new PCs come preloaded with Windows the open source community faces an uphill battle spreading Linux beyond corporate IT departments into the home Linux partisans point to some small victories WalMart recently began selling a house brand PC at rock bottom prices available with Linux for the thriftiest PC buyersThat thrift among home PC buyers though has further hampered the spread of Linux to home desktops Its another reason software developers like Dave Potter of Fountainville Pa prefer writing programs for corporate users He says he doesnt see much point writing Linux applications for individual PC buyers Home users are cheap he said At 4995 youre going to have to sell a whole lot of copies to make it in the market And as Linux proponents continue to try to enlist desktop PC users Microsoft is busy reinventing that desktop With sales of new PCs in their worst slump in decades Microsoft is hoping to reboot Windows sales by leading the charge toward the Tablet PC a sort of PDA on steroids With new technology to recognize and manipulate handwriting and speech Microsoft and its hardware and software partners are hoping to usher in a whole new platform by giving users all the capabilities of ink according to Microsoft Group Vice President Jeff Raikes Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry are hedging their bets by designing several variations of the device from a standalone tablet about the size of a standard piece of paper to a laptop with a display that flips around and folds flat with the screen facing outward The goal is to replace rather than augment existing PCs according to Leland Rockoff a director of Microsofts table PC project We see this as a primary PC he said Theyre not appliances theyre not companions theyre not secondary But Rockoff says the companys strategy with regard to open source software will be the same as it is with Windows XP

-pwpbot

Going down hill with Gnome2 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3771253)

Seems like Gnome's gone the opposite of KDE lately. KDE's interface is much more tweakable than that of Gnome2. The "simpler" user interface should be an option for those who need it, not a requirement for everyone. I'm impressed with what's been acomplished for Gnome2, but for a power user, they are probably going to drive people to KDE because of the greater tweakabilty it has. It's sad.
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