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The Empire Strikes Back - in China

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the oh-no-agreements-at-all dept.

The Almighty Buck 316

jaymzter writes: "Reuters is reporting that Microsoft is dumping $750 million into China over the next three years. According to MS CEO Steve Ballmer, "What's good for the local industry in every country is good for Microsoft", especially when that other country is actually promoting and developing home grown Linux. From the article it looks like MS is willing to overlook China's legendary software 'sharing' as long as the government stays tight with Windows."

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Final Fantasy sucks (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781959)

Play some real video games. Why not give Sega a try? They might actually require you to have some skill though, so watch out!

Sega sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782024)

Those Sonic games of theirs took me like one hour apiece to beat. They've got nothing on Mario.

Re:Sega sucks (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782059)

Maybe if you spent less time in men's restroom stalls you'd realize that the fat plumbing bear hasn't done anything new in ten years. Play some Crazy Taxi and get back to me, BRAAAPscallion.

Re:Sega sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782160)

I'm not answering this until there's a realiable english language translation.

Re:Sega sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782164)

Ha. Mario 64 kicks your trolling ass, fag boy. The first properly-executed 3D platformer with bags of innovation, playability and lifespan -- Sega are great, but their in-house design teams have never matched Nintendo's.

Fuck off.

For the CLIT (-1)

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Who wants to bet that Ballmer's nickname as a kid (1, Offtopic)

corebreech (469871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781967)

was Ball-me?

Re:Who wants to bet that Ballmer's nickname as a k (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781988)


Nah, it was 'fatty'.

Re:Who wants to bet that Ballmer's nickname as a k (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3781996)

Dancing Monkey Boy.

Re:Who wants to bet that Ballmer's nickname as a k (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782057)

NO, it was Steve "Lick My" Ballmers.

All Civilized People: Christians, Jews, & Musl (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782084)

Microsoft is obviously against us with their alignment with China. Write your Senator and complain. Urge Microsoft to Pledge the Oath of Allegiance (Without God, etc.)

Thank you and vote for me in 2004 even though I'm just a stooge.

W.

fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3781969)

First Post!

Had VA thought of this... (0)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781974)

They would be hailed as heroes...not Villified by the /. Groupthinkniks.

Re:Had VA thought of this... (4, Funny)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782221)

I get the queasies when I see any Western companies kissing the Chinese govt's butt, be them Open Source or anything else. But M$ is special:

Chinese PM: Linux secure, Windows dangelous. Fuck off.
Ballmer: But Mr. Chairman, Linux promotes freedom, while we promote tyranny! It's us who are you natural allies!!!
Chinese PM: Zounds, you're light! Let's make a deal.

$750 Million (1)

shmuc (70684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781975)

Geez... that's it?

Re:$750 Million (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782012)

Didn't they spend $500 million on just advertising for the X-Box?

So maybe they're just planning a windows advertising campaign in China...

although I don't know how they'd compete with an OS by a manufacturer with "Red" in it's name..

Re:$750 Million (2)

arivanov (12034) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782054)

If placed correctly as bribes and bribes only it may have the desired effect. Soc officials are not that expensive. Cheaper then advertising for sure.

although I don't know how they'd compete with an OS by a manufacturer with "Red" in it's name..

You do. One cool movie has attributed the following saying to one of the ex-soc sector nations: As our bulgarian friends say, what cannot be bought with money can be bought with a lot of money

Re:$750 Million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782169)

$750M is worth considerably more in China than it is in the U.S.

Re:$750 Million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782043)

It's interesting that money given to a single individual or small group of individuals in order to alter their behavior is called bribery, but when you distribute the funds throughout a country it's called financial aid.

Don't knock it (2)

Subcarrier (262294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782218)

That must be, oh, at least 50 cents per noggin.

In China you can probably buy a chicken or two with that.

The Nazis are back! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3781976)

and this time they are carrying Bibles

Re:The Nazis are back! (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782157)

hate to tell ya - the nazi's carried bibles the first time, too

But... (1)

MayorDefacto (586113) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781977)

What we all need to ask ourselves is this: is what's good for Microsoft good for the rest of us? I think we already know the answer...

Re:But... (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782196)

"What we all need to ask ourselves is this: is what's good for Microsoft good for the rest of us?"

I'm better off with Microsoft. Solitaire makes me look busy.

it has to be said (1)

serano (544693) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781979)

See what competition can do....

Birds of a feather (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3781981)

Some would say considering China's human rights record.... that M$ and China would make a good team.

But... they'll be hungry again 1/2 hour later. (2, Funny)

simetra (155655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781987)

Rimshot!

Microsofts point of view... (5, Interesting)

Rasta Prefect (250915) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781990)


With active promotion of Linux in China, Microsoft has to be realizing that it's better to let rampant piracy of their products continue and make some profit from those who do buy than to allow the creating of a large incubator for Linux - something that could potentially threaten their market share in countries with more enforced IP laws.

Re:Microsofts point of view... (offtopic) (1)

qubit64 (233602) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782055)

This sounds a lot like how the US used to (and with some countries still does) treat communism. (domino)

Re:Microsofts point of view... (5, Insightful)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782112)

Having worked for a few commercial software companies, one being a music software company that was one of the more pirated at the time, I found that the company's standpoint on piracy was that it was not all that bad, in most cases.

Those who will use your software in a professional capacity will usually pay for it.

Those who will not use it in a professional capacity, will learn it and possible work for an employer who either already owns it or will likely buy it for said "now former non-professional" to use it.

At the end of the day, you have an increased user base. Revenue doesn't really change as the non-professionals wouldn't have paid for it anyway.

Of course, I didn't work for Microsoft or a similar company who's products are meant for absolutely everyone (in their book) and thus every pirated copy really is considered lost revenue.

Re:Microsofts point of view... (2)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782161)

The problem with this is that it is a stop gap measure at best. Microsoft can't afford to pay everyone to use their software.

The Chinese people's point of view. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782202)

China is a country where many computer users can't afford the MS license fees. China is a country that is suspicious of the US. Windows is an OS that is primarily designed with the English language in mind.

Linux is free/cheap, Linux is open source (you can find backdoors if they exist). Linux is also primarily designed around English however the code is available to be modified and I'm sure there's quite a few Chinese Linux distros.

I can understand why MS want to keep China using their products, there are some very talented chinese programmers working on Linux.

Very likely (4, Insightful)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782208)

Agreed with your points, but there are a few more things to consider:

Microsoft really is lagging in the Chinese market (200:1 copies of licensed Linux to Windows according to some estimates). This is because the only competition to pirated Windows at the moment comes from Linux.

Also, Gates at one point make a comment to Money magiazine (in 1998) where he stated that they need to get the Chinese addicted to software, so they will start paying for it. This has seriously hurt Microsoft's image in China (can you say Opium War?)

Finally, the major anti-piracy cases Microsoft has tried to bring in China have been ill-timed and seriously backfired.

So Microsoft is coming in from behind in the fight against Linux in China, and it is trying to make up for past blunders...

This is all your fault ! (1, Funny)

cobbaut (232092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781992)

If all these slashdot geeks would have just SHUT UP about big markets (country's) going to Linux, then maybe M$ would never have noticed this. (Microsoft also reads Slashdot...)

So from now on no more Linux success stories on /. OK!

Re:This is all your fault ! (0)

getter_85 (464748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782016)

uh... how big of an idiot are you?

Re:This is all your fault ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782037)

don't tell me you didn't see the smiley...
come on...who's the freaking idiot ?

cheers

Re:This is all your fault ! (0)

getter_85 (464748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782153)

Anonymous COWARD

too many cowards. They hide behind anonymity so I can't tell them personally why theire posts are ill-thought-out and based on immaginary pixels that the author sees.

To Do list for getter_85 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782200)

  1. Learn spelling
  2. Learn grammar
  3. Unclench anus
  4. Lay off the Mountain Dew
  5. ...
Damn, son--you should give meatspace a whirl sometime.

Re:This is all your fault ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782023)

"Aye aye, Admiral Butthead." -- Homer J Simpson.

Re:This is all your fault ! (0)

kb3hag (584560) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782033)

hmm, really? microsoft may be trying to win over linus but in the end it is all the users choice of operating systems. let microsoft read slashdot, in the end the users (and pirates, ehh) will decided.

Re:This is all your fault ! (0)

kb3hag (584560) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782062)

corrections, "win over linus" win over linux P.S. In the end it is all the users choice

Re:This is all your fault ! (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782210)

"So from now on no more Linux success stories on /. OK! "

Yeah!! Stories like "KDE now supports anti-aliased fonts!" has Microsoft scrambling to buy up a large market!

hey Ballmer (5, Funny)

Patrick13 (223909) | more than 12 years ago | (#3781994)

Hey Steve-O--

my friends and I pirate MS software too, give us $750,000,000 too. What's good for us is good for the net economy...

Re:hey Ballmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782104)

Mr. Patric



At your post at the Internet News Service "slashdot" provided by VA System you confessed
that you own and use pirated products of the Microsoft cooperation. Please report immidiately
to the next Microsoft copyright correction center.
Otherwise we will file a legal case at the seattle state court against you and your family.

Dirt cheap compared to population (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782001)

$750 million.... that's still less than a dollar per person.

Isn't the MS Tax about $30 at the OEM level? Spend .50 to make $30, that's quite a ROI.

-RabbitFish

Re:Dirt cheap compared to population (1)

SirRichardPumpaloaf (563323) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782125)

Of course, that's assuming that every single person buys a Windows PC. I take it you're in Marketing?

Good news/bad news (5, Funny)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782004)

The Good News:

China gets an even bigger IT infrastructure.

The Bad News:

They spend most of it on hardware upgrades. Forever.

The Good News:

More technical knowledge of computers in the country.

The Bad News:

It's all directed at creating anti-Pallendrome mod chips.

The Good News:

More people in China get onto the Internet!

The Bad News:

All they can get is MSN, and only if they use Internet Explorer.

The Good News:

China gets to upgrade their military computers.

The Bad News:

The first BSOD launches WWIII.

Re:Good news/bad news (0)

getter_85 (464748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782041)

The Bad News:

The first BSOD launches WWIII.


This is why I don't rely on M$ products... they ten to crash more than the alternative(s).

Re:Good news/bad news (0, Troll)

Anomolous Cow Herd (457746) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782105)

The first BSOD launches WWIII.

WHooo hoo hoooo! Oh man, you had me fall out of my chair laughing, fatty!

Did you guys get it? He said that when teh computar crashes, it startz world war three, 'cause M$ sucx0rz! HAR HAR HAR! It'd be even funnier if any even remotely current Microsoft operating system actually crashed (hint: they don't)

Re:Good news/bad news (3, Funny)

cruelworld (21187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782122)

I used to believe that Windows 2000 was stable.

If I'm logged in as Administrator and using Internet Explorer, it will eventually hang my machine.

This also happens to at least two other people that I know.

Re:Good news/bad news (0)

kb3hag (584560) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782129)

i use admin with ie for days at a time wth no reboots and it has never hanged on me, mabey you are defective?

Re:Good news/bad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782199)

Yeah, you is certainly "admin material".

Goop grasp of english, you has there.

Re:Good news/bad news (0, Troll)

the_machine (168692) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782167)

If I'm logged in as Administrator and using Internet Explorer, it will eventually hang my machine.


Well, there's your problem. You are actually trying to use it for something more than a screen saver.

Re:Good news/bad news (0)

getter_85 (464748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782123)

It'd be even funnier if any even remotely current Microsoft operating system actually crashed (hint: they don't)

that's funny in and of itself...

my sister's WinXP machine crashed not more than an hour ago... when she was playing solitaire

They will strike 'piracy' later.. (5, Interesting)

aralin (107264) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782005)

Seems that Microsoft finally noticed that not everybody is equal and although Europe and US are already hooked on their drugs, China is still not and so they just need to back up a little, distribute for free a little while longer, before they will collect. And China is a potential market of the size of Europe and US together. So be sure they will collect eventually.

How long can they keep it up? (3, Interesting)

sterno (16320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782007)

Microsoft has huge reserves, don't get me wrong, but it seems like, more and more, they are having to spend a lot of money to fend off their competition. 750 million is only a drop in the bucket, but it does add up eventually.

Re:How long can they keep it up? (5, Interesting)

Sabalon (1684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782048)

Depends on how they are "spending" it. Are they giving away licenses to Windows? If so, what is the cost to them - $0.

Lets see them really donate $750mil by going to CompuUSA or something, buying $750mil copies of WinXP and shipping it over there.

Hell...I can give you $4BILLION worth of RedHat...buy one cd for $69 amount and print up a certificate saying you can copy/install it 5.7million times.

It's like the case a bit ago where they were gonna help everyone out by giving them their software which'll cost them minimal cd costs.

Re:How long can they keep it up? (4, Funny)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782142)

good point. I wonder if that means that they get to write off 750mil...

Kramer: Jerry, just write it off.

Jerry: what? what do you mean write it off?

Kramer: big companies do it all the time.

Jerry: you dont even know what a write is, do you?

Kramer: ....

Ballmer's Quote (1)

PoiBoy (525770) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782011)

According to MS CEO Steve Ballmer, "What's good for the local industry in every country is good for Microsoft."

This is an interesting quote coming from Ballmer. While individual industries benefit from less competition, consumers and the economy as a whole are better off with more competition. After reading this quote, my first reaction was that he was stating that competition was good for everyone, including Microsoft. Then I realized it was Ballmer saying this.

Re:Ballmer's Quote (2)

alsta (9424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782071)

I think that Mr. Ballmer means:

"What's good for Microsoft in every country is good for Microsoft."

Otherwise they wouldn't be doing this, would they?

Question is, are they actually going to provide $750MM in cash or are they going to provide software licenses? Remember that class-action settlement where they proposed to give schools licenses "worth" a certain amount of money? $750MM in non-transferable licenses doesn't really put food on peoples tables.

Communistic and UnAmerican! (2, Funny)

Jon Howard (247978) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782014)

...wait a second - you said Microsoft?

I'd like to see the hat that Bill Gates should be eating right now.

Uhm I though MS was going for anti piracy (2)

hooded1 (89250) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782020)

I'm not usually a big anti microsoft guy, but from my point of view (IE zero experience in marketing) this seems like a stupid decision. Microsoft has been spending ac rap load of money in this country to combat piracy. American piracy is nothing compared to Chinese piracy. its like comparing communism and capitalism... Oh wait it IS comparing capitalism and communism.

Yes yes i know that china has had an open door policy for a while now as far as foreign markets go and yes there are thousand of american companies making money there. The point i'm really trying to get across is that the market in china would be much different than it is here. Computers are not very prominent in most people's lives there. The biggest market i can see this in is the business market there.

Re:Uhm I though MS was going for anti piracy (1)

Deusin (515405) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782075)

Fighting piracy costs quite a bit of money and yields them next to nothing in the Chinese market. Increasing sales and eating, however unpleasant it must be to the MS Executives, the piracy "losses" is probably an acceptable tradeoff. Also, piracy can be dealt with later when they've been reeled in far enough. Without getting overly anti-MS, it's not enough to dominate one market when there is more unconquered territory that looks so ripe from Redmond.

Re:Uhm I though MS was going for anti piracy (1)

++good-duckspeak (584950) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782107)

and yes there are thousand of american companies making money there.

MS loves the idea of making money selling enabling technology to the Chineese gummint to help them repress their citizens.

Now that AOL has shown the way I'm sure lots of corporations will see that there is plenty of money to be made assisting human rights abuses and control of information.

MS is going for anti linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782211)

Well, if MS lets China adopt linux for everything, then MS can't really claim that linux doesn't work or that Windows is better. How can linux be expensive, insecure, buggy, and impossible to use if the most populated, highly censored country uses linux successfully? Governments and companies are getting annoyed with MS's security and pricing problems and many are considering switching to linux. I'm sure many of them are watching China to see how it goes there. If MS can keep China from switching over, it's likely that other countries will be discouraged as well.

As it is I don't think MS is losing that much from piracy in China, which would be why they're willing to overlook it as long as they don't use linux and give credibility to their main competitor. With piracy, people are at least using MS products, and may be more likely to buy MS for their companies or selves if they can afford to. With linux (or any other software), MS loses marketshare AND money. And even more annoying to MS, they can't simply buy out linux either. MS hates piracy, but the hate linux even more.

Riiiiiiiiight... (0, Flamebait)

Anomolous Cow Herd (457746) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782022)

especially when that other country is actually promoting and developing home grown Linux.

Yes, of course M$ is out to get you, Linux!! That's what everyone thinks about before they make major business decisions: "If I do this, can I screw over Linux better???"

Face it, Linux is such a joke on the desktop that it is hardly important enough to consider when making major business decisions in a profitable corporation.

dosent matter (3, Funny)

Ksop (132400) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782026)

linux open relay
or
windows open relay

were all still going to get spam from china

Re:dosent matter (5, Funny)

Lao-Tzu (12740) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782117)

It does so matter.

A windows open relay will have more downtime. Yippee!

Re:dosent matter (1)

The-Dork (470891) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782207)

I think its not fair to blame Asia for spam. A lot of spam that I get are for European and American sex sites.
Aren't they to blame too?
For resorting to spam in the first place and since their own laws are strict, they hire someone else to do the dirty work for them because the poor guy needs the money.
I think they are the main culprits here.

HURR HURR HURR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782030)

i r slashdot poster. anything microsoft bad. anything not ms gud.

Nothing like cold hard currency to catch the eye.. (2, Insightful)

freerangegeek (451133) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782031)

How lovely that an illegal monopolist is using it's ill gained cash to empower a repressive regime all in the name of extending their brand! Microsoft, the Imperial Robber Barons of the 21st century.

Power really does make strange bedfellows.

its a tough shot (1)

rlthomps-1 (545290) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782039)

Its going to be tough dealing with that piracy, but in terms of corporate software, there is a ton of money to be made there.

The other problem is dealing with nationalism. Many countries are starting to push their own homegrown platforms because they don't want their computing industry tethered to America.

In any case, Microsoft is the poster child of "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again" This is only the start... it will be interesting to watch.

Re:its a tough shot (0)

getter_85 (464748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782069)

what do you suggest? that they all migrate to linux before the end of the month?

Get real. I know linux has been proven to perform better, but we can't do anything about this China shit anyway.

I knew people on slashdot whine too much, but this is rediculous.

"What is done, is done." -Whi7e H4x0r BuNNi

Red Flag Windows? (0)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782050)


Chang, I am your Father

Re:Red Flag Windows? (0)

getter_85 (464748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782097)

Long live Chairman Gates!

In related news... (4, Funny)

snofla (236898) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782065)

"MICROSOFT EXPECTS TO lose $750 million in the current fiscal year ending June 30 and another $1.1 billion in the next fiscal year, according to a source familiar with the matter. David Hufford, a Microsoft spokesman, declined comment on the financials." From "Microsoft takes big losses on Xbox" [msnbc.com]

Hope they have a good accountant.

What are they actually spending it on??? (1)

billtom (126004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782067)

What I don't understand is what they are actually spending $750 million on. The /. item just says they're "dumping" and the Reuters article just says "The Redmond, Washington-based behemoth was vague on details of its outlay" (hey! I actually read the reference before posting!).

Anybody care to make wild, paranoid, microsoft-bashing conspiracy guesses about what they're really buying? Or even informed, logical, reasonable guesses (but that's much less fun).

Slashdot Gripes 1.01 by pwpbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782068)

posters that spell Microsoft with a or spell it MicroCrap or something posters that glorify a feature that Linux has that BSD or Solaris as had for years and list this reason as the most important reason to switch over posters that say Slackware is better because you have to compile all of the applications for yourself Rob Maldas arrogance frequent spelling and grammar mistakes Im not talking something really obscure or a minor technicallity in English either Im talking substituting loose for lose or theyretheirthere Really easily corrected mistakes Any halfway decent fifth grader could pick up on these errors people that post a mirror to a site that has been Slashdotted which normally would be nice but is hosted on a cable modem that is soon Slashdotted page widening random quashing of posts that dont agree with the Slashdot mindset really annoying sigs unhumorous jokes that have to be explained to the audience If your joke has to be explained its not funny BOYCOTT RIAA and I cant wait to see Episode II all in the same day Rob Maldas childish obsession with legos the Slashdot crew doesnt have any other jobs other than Slashdot yet it seems it was better run when Rob was running it on a Multia in college in his spare time the page limit with the subscription The expulsion of Signal 11 ranting paranoid articles whenever there APPEARS to be a GPL violation with no verification whatsoever Just a bunch of ranting posts about freedom for that matter no verification of articles at all I wish I could count the number of times Slashdots been scammed on two hands but its been so many April Fools articles on Slashdot THESE ARENT FUNNY I wasnt going to explain but whatever Okay lets say you run a website On April Fools you post say ONE or TWO fake pieces of news along with the real news This way some people are fooled By posting ALL fake news and jokes no one falls for the prank no one buys Lokis games but there is a big mystery when they go out of business no NNTP frontend to Slashdot direct links to bugzilla continuing tightening of the troll filters to the point where even normal posts are rejected by some stupid criteria self righteous posters who want everything under the sun to be Open Source even though they have never written a line of code in their life whenever an article on a new scripting language is posted all of the C users chime in but its not as fast as C shortly after all the assembly users chime in assembly is the fastest predictably right after that someone says why dont we all just use machine code anecdotes on your grandmother using Linux to check her email and whatnot this ALONE proves that Linux is better than Windows for ALL uses cultlike devotion to Linux reserve your fanaticism for a church not a kernel someone is not less of a person if they dont use Unix posters who think that BeOS is having a bad moment and will surely rise to defeat all other operating systems posters who think Palm will open the source to BeOS for no reason at all people who think that Amiga isnt dead The new virtual Amiga doesnt count people who think that OS2 isnt dead Ecomstation doesnt count people who bemoan the loss of OS2 while thinking it was a big conspiracy completely IGNORING the fact that IBM did not advertise we all KNOW OS2 was technically superior to Windows at the time You dont have to bedazzle us with tales of running all the latest Windows and DOS applications aside native OS2 apps Weve heard it all before We know it WAS better people who think that this is the last year ever well ever have to hire C programmers because as we all know Java is going to kill it off this is a good one Completely expositionary articles such as Surprised by Weath in which ESR BRAGGED about how rich he was and how he wasnt going to give us any money NO SIR bitchslapping benchmarks that pit say Linux lastest revision against FreeBSD 30 or something old and useless how banner ads for the site only link to other OSDN sites any links to nytimescom when someone writes a comment with H to signify deletions the moderation rtbl meta moderation people that spell Red Hat as RedCrap

-pwpbot

Oh no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782072)

Linux justifies everything..
Now in the slashdot editor's heads Microsoft is dumping $750M to stop Linux in China..
Damn, I guess it's time to stop reading this site.

microsoft is against chinas ideals (2)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782082)

The entire open source philosophy would appeal to china as it is more akin to the countries communist ideals. If china were to switch to MS products, they would be forced to bow down to american capatalism. It would also be very easy for MS to slip in a little 'extra features' that could allow the US government to spy on china more easily. If they are using linux, it would be extremely difficult to spy on them, maybe china realizes this.

Re:microsoft is against chinas ideals (1)

indigo78 (464058) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782234)

Should I be Chinese, I'd use OpenBSD...
...just to be... ...er... ..."sure" :)

nice try, but ain't gonna happen... (1)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782087)

Did microsoft forget china is still communist? Did they forget chinese politicians are zenophobic? Do they really think the government is going to buy in?

Get real. Nothing to see here.

Open source resolve? (2, Insightful)

Trevelyan (535381) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782089)

I'm interested to see what countries like china, who are pushing hard for the use of Non-MS s/w (from MS point of view), will do when MS throw money at them?

What were their original intentions?
-Open source is better we should use it
-Lets scare MS into giving us a better offer

I hope/feel China is of the first, but I wonder about others. I live in the UK where our authorities (NHS IIRC) were looking at Linux til MS gave a discount

Only $750 million? (1)

pavera (320634) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782096)

For 3 years $750 million seems pretty small for a market as large as China, I mean really. almost half of the planet's populace, and they're only investing $750 over 3 years? Seems like a pretty small commitment to me from a company that has earnings in excess of 9 billion a year.

More FUD (1)

first axiom (311777) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782103)

Reading the article shows that Microsoft is not overlooking "software sharing" in return for anything, as the write-up implies. The article says Microsoft is pledging to invest $750 million in China over three years, but that "China had not made any specific pledges in return".

The Beijing municipal goverment is -still- going to use Linux instead of Microsoft, as the article clearly states, so Microsoft's only benefit in this investment is goodwill. And for a developing country, investment in education, jobs, and research is very important.

It's hard to trust Slashdot these days. That's a bad reputation to build.

Old news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782106)

This was reported 18 minutes ago on . I can't believe /. is so far behind!

Re:Old news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782194)

Be fair, you have to give Timothy time to make sure this isn't a duplicate story, check the facts in the user's submission, correct the spelling and grammar and think of a witty and insightly comment of his own,

Spam (2)

sheepab (461960) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782111)

They'll probably sink that 750 million into spam, great, here comes another unwanted email.

beating the pirates (1)

avandesande (143899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782119)

It looks like microsoft is beating the pirates to the punch, giving away a bunch of software before the pirates can. This is just another PR stunt like making software 'gifts' to schools.

This is complete B$ (1, Troll)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782137)

Ok, so there is rampant piracy in China and they get fucking rewarded with a fat fucking check?

Fuck that shit. No sir I won't calm down. We are a free nation but we get the BSA and they get a fucking check?

Isn't this some fucked up shit? They can't even obey US anti-trust laws and they still go on with software "raids". Fuck that.

I guess criminals stick together. Fucking bastards.

Bull shit.

I can see the problems now.. (1)

lionchild (581331) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782146)

There are 2 things that strike me about this article.. The Chinese won't like the scheme of software liscencing. If they buy a copy, they own the copy, I'm sure they won't want to effectively "lease" it.

The other thing that comes to mind, is I have to wonder if this isn't the beginning of a strategy for MS to cultivate a new, cheaper pot to draw devlopers and even manufacturers from. No need to deal with Unions there..that would be nice, wouldn't it? You might not be able to manufacture as many products that are listed as non-export..but what if you developed them there, then exported them to the US?

About $2 per capita in China.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3782151)

Ridiculous...
Unless it will all go directly to bribe the apparatchiks in order to get them using M$ :)

Oh, the beautiful irony (2, Funny)

Static242 (124804) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782173)

Think of the it. Some day China may be taking M$ to court for monopolistic tactics. I kind of doubt anyone at M$ will be standing in front of any communist fact finding mission about poor software design or trade tactics. Here you can plead the 5th, their they can do some unsavory sort of punishment [fordham.edu]

Re:Oh, the beautiful irony (2)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782201)

Think of the it. Some day China may be taking M$ to court for monopolistic tactics. I kind of doubt anyone at M$ will be standing in front of any communist fact finding mission about poor software design or trade tactics. Here you can plead the 5th, their they can do some unsavory sort of punishment [fordham.edu]
Riiight.

Okay, you do know that China's government is communist right?

What they meant to say was... (0)

speedfreak_5 (546044) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782195)

"We want the Chinese industry to grow our pocketbooks. The success of Microsoft in every market, including China's, is highly dependent upon the domination of local industry. What's good for the control of local industry in every country is good for Microsoft."

Dollar to population ratios (1)

molrak (541582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782197)

Microsoft has spent over $500 million on advertising for Xbox in the United States alone. The United States has an estimated population of 278,058,900. Which means Microsoft is spending about $1.80 per citizen to promote the Xbox.

Microsoft plans on spending $750 million on advertising for Microsoft in China. China has an estimated population of 1,273,111,300. Microsoft therefore is spending about $0.59 per citizen on advertising in China.

Granted, the demographics for each group are vastly smaller than the overall population, and the dollar, in spite of its recent downturn, still can buy a lot more in China than it can in the US. But this still seems disproportionate, especially considering China has the potential to become the world's largest technology market.

Note: All currency was figured using US dollars. Population statistics gathered from City Population [citypopulation.de] .

Mr. Ballmer's Plan for a new Pledge (2)

Mr_Perl (142164) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782203)

I pledge allegiance
To the conglomerates
of the marketing and legal departments of Microsoft
And to the domination
for which they stand
One company
Invincible
With License fees and big brother for all

$750 Million? Depends how you count... (3, Interesting)

WEFUNK (471506) | more than 12 years ago | (#3782228)

Microsoft makes an annoucement that they're "investing" $750 Million somewhere, but what does that really mean?

I mean, where does that figure actually come from? I imagine it's the total retail price of products they're going to give away. Or it could be the total "discount" they're prepared to give off stand alone or bundled packages (50% off each product X expected volumes). With .NET is this just giving away the razor while charging for the blades (something they want to do anyway and are possibly just piloting in China)? Does the number also include promotion and advertising budgets (beyond any give-aways)? And how much is for "real" apps vs. silly "$700 of free Microsoft Software" packages with programs like Free-Cell having MSRP's of $25 or more?

The bottom line is, this is a pretty silly press release/story. They can pretty well choose an arbitarily high number if they base it on the suggested retail value of product, when in actual fact, their actual net investment (variable costs) might be next to nothing. They're not even giving up opportunity costs if they're just competing against pirated copies.

Linux distros should do the same thing by assigning an arbitrary retail value to every freely distributed copy and calling that the open source "investment" in each implementation/industry/country.
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