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World Cup Final

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the we-call-it-soccer dept.

News 781

The World Cup final is over; some ludicrous number of people watched some team beat the other team. The next tournament will be held in Germany in 2006. If you haven't watched the game for whatever reason, obviously you might want to avoid clicking through (or reading any other news site, or talking to anyone...). Neither of those two links should be a spoiler, though.

And for those that did click through, the final standings are up, as are lots and lots of reports about the game.

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Polka! (-1)

Linus Turdballs (558038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795216)

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795217)

Fork Pork!

first post?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795218)

that game rocked

# th POST!!!! (0, Troll)

Viceice (462967) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795219)

Brazil won 2-0

Hehe :) (-1, Troll)

altan (519377) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795221)

I hope the captain drops the cup and breaks it. That would teach them a lesson for beating Germany ;) Hopefully one of the shards are sharp enough to slice off that piece of crap on Ronaldo's forehead.

soccer? (0, Flamebait)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795226)

A bunch of grown ups hugging and kissing every time someone kicks the leather into the goal? Id rather have hot grits in my pants than too se that. Besides, until theres an engine in the ball its no real sport. Real sports says wrooom!

Re:soccer? (1)

melloncollienet (578769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795250)

and real sport is one that requires no physical activity.

Re:soccer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795262)

yeah, motocross requires no physical activity.... oh wait, i was thinking of watching soccer on television. motocross is actually one of the most physically demanding sports in existance.

Re:soccer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795319)

That's not a sport, it's a game for rednecks. Games, not Sports: Golf Bowling Any vehicle racing BMX, skateboarding, snowboarding, skiing Baseball is close. Anything that fat 40 year olds can do without dropping their beer is a game, not a sport.

Re:soccer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795286)

Driving a car is a sport? LOL!

Football's a sport, basketball's a sports, hell, even bowling's a sport compared to driving a car.

Re:soccer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795312)

did you mean that tacky Nascar or Formula 1?

Re:soccer? (1)

nickos (91443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795352)

Football obviously. How often does your foot touch the ball in niche American football?

Very good game (2, Insightful)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795230)

Some amazing saves by the Brazillian keeper.
But what was up with those announcers???
Their analogies made absolutely no sense. I think that I would have understood more if I had watched the game on Univision (and I don't speak Spanish)

Re:Very good game (1)

rudiger (35571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795288)

i will admit, i am not a soccer/football, but i did watch a few games, and all i can say towards the goaltending is wtf? on a penalty shot, they just take a guess and dive one way when the ball is kicked and hope for the best... one game, the guy made all of TWO saves, and the announcer was down on him, saying he appeared weak and uncertain. it just seems bizarre that one of the most important positions seems to be the worst played.

Okay. (2)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795353)

Mr. Smarty-man football genius..

What's he SUPPOSED to do, read the other player's mind a split second before he himself decides where he's kicking hte ball?

The reason they guess is because YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THEY GOING TO KICK IT.

Worst played.. I think YOU better get in goal for a while and then judge.

Re:Very good game (1)

Majik (31912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795321)

And here's the sad thing...
At 9AM cst coverage continues on univision whereas as soon as the game ended the abc coverage ended, how damn pathetic. Not even the trophy presentation! We've made good strides for soccer in the USA, but not enough...
Viva Univision [despite my not understanding much...]

Re:Very good game (2)

spongman (182339) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795341)

+1, yeah, that's pretty telling isn't it.

all the US channels want to do is sell you something, and all the spanish channels want you to do is to learn some spanish.

i watched them take the cup, and i didn't understand the word they were saying, but at least they weren't trying to sell me shoes.

Re:Very good game (1)

blahedo (24332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795326)

Yeah, I've been watching on Univision, mostly because I don't get ESPN; but after I'd already seen the US-Poland game, I caught the last ten minutes of it on ABC two days later (*two days* delay, jeez), and they had something like two basketball analogies and one (American) football analogy just in the time I saw it. And then they went ON and ON and ON about how completely bizarre it was that we moved on to the elimination rounds in the "strangest possible way"---you know, by doing better than the other teams. But the commentators just didn't know the rules or something, and were really weirded out by the fact that we could lose the last game of the group and still take second within the group.

Anyway, yeah, I've been watching Univision. The only thing I miss is the explanations for the fouls ("una falta! mumble mumble mumble...") and cards. Better than just watching on mute, though, because I can get the excitement level from the commentators at least. And I swear I understand more Spanish than I did three weeks ago. :)

Where are the US ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795231)

Did they take part in the cup ? Haven't heard about them at all

Re:Where are the US ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795249)

The US got to the quarter finals before getting getting knocked out 1-0 by Germany, they played very well though.

Re:Where are the US ? (1)

swoopx (239798) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795362)

very well may be an understatement. It was their best cup performance ever.

Re:Where are the US ? (3, Informative)

Lictor (535015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795263)

They were knocked out by Germany in the quarter-finals if I remember correctly.

Re:Where are the US ? (1)

Wenjie (516194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795287)

Just for info : 1st round USA 3 : Portugal 2 South Korea 1 : USA 1 Poland 3 : USA 1 2nd round Mexico 0 : USA 2 Quarter Finals Germany 1 : USA 0 A very good run for USA in this World Cup, I must say.

Ronaldo (0)

Zapper (68283) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795232)

Gooooo, Ronaldo.

The Germans played pretty well too...

Brasil! (4, Insightful)

hero (25043) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795234)

Great game! Ronaldo's double gave him 8 for this world cup, securing the golden boot, and 12 lifetime, tying Pele for most goals by a Brazilian in the final. Amazing to see Brasil win it after all the trouble they had in qualifying, using 4 coaches and 70+ players!

Interestingly enough, Brasil will have to re-qualify for the next world cup since from now on the champion doesn't automatically get in. Germany does not have to qualify because they're hosting it.



Re:Brasil! (3, Interesting)

theCulture (317496) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795274)

Although you have to say the reason that Brazil had such trouble qualifying in the first place was because so many of their European-based players (often the best ones in the Brazilian squad, of course) weren't available for qualifying matches!

As for tying Pele, it's amazing, and impressive. But you have to remember that Pele spent an entire world cup injured after getting crocked (Brit term for being injured by being harshly marked) in the very first game - and that was when he was in his 20s, I'm sure he'd have scored plenty.

Afterall, this man has scored no less that 92 (count 'em!) hat tricks in his career!

Maradona eat your heart out.

Re:Brasil! (1)

krahd (106540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795278)

I'm sorry I have to strongly disagree.
The last match, at least, was useful to prove one thing about the world cup: regularity, that is, every match was awful, with everybody defending instead of creating something fun to watch.

Now, add the decisive role played by the referees (just remember brazil's imaginary penalty, germany's invisible hand-on-ball, spain vs korea, and a long etcetera...), and you'll have all the "world cup champion" concept relativized... it looks that the only two things that matter are how good are you defending and how much extra help you are able to afford.

Pretty sad... football is the greatest sport (and the FIFA is the most profitable sport-related-organization).

too bad!

Re:Brasil! (2)

imr (106517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795311)

Interestingly enough, Brasil will have to re-qualify for the next world cup since from now on the champion doesn't automatically get in.
Which is good for them, because you need the last qualification matches to know the real shape of a team and make final adjustements (like germany, whose team got reborn after the match against ukraine).

A Brazilian Geek (1)

nullard (541520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795235)

As a Brazilian geek, I had to check Slashdot after the game.


The rest of us... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795237)

were sleeping until those in cars decided to "celebrate" by honking their horns at 6:30 friggin AM on a Sunday morning! What the hell is wrong with people. I don't want to be reading Slashdot this early!

fotbol (-1, Flamebait)

savbill (583728) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795241)

sucks. the only thing worse than sokker is michael still posting to /. i suppose all those turd-world assholes need something to take their protien-starved brains off their miserable day-to-day poor excuse for an existance, but why should we in the more enlightened west have to deal with this trash? btw, "the west" refers only to that part of north america consisting of the united states - canada and mexico are really just turd-world cuntries with pretty windowdressing.

more spoliers (0)

Zapper (68283) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795246)

or reading any other news site, or talking to anyone...

If you get your Fish & Chips wrapped in newspaper, be careful there too.

I'm just glad it' over... (1)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795247)

and things can get back to normal. For someone who's not interested in football - the last few weeks of having it right, left & centre (especially here in England) has been annoying to say the least.

Re:I'm just glad it' over... (1)

SparkyMartin (206236) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795275)

Here, here, I second that! Finally it's off the air, not that it bothered me much since I didn't watch it.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795277)

Not really.

Re:I'm just glad it' over... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795346)

Wow, it must have really cut into your arduous schedule of daytime TV. You're obviously a student slacker or unemployed, so get a job.

Well I loved the game (0, Troll)

ne0preen (589262) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795253)

Shame to see the Krauts go 2-0 down, but the Brazilians were just brilliant . time for lunch

See you in Germany 2006 (0)

MrJones (4691) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795256)

Many Germany player were wearing a t-shirt, after the game, saying:
"See you in Germany 2006". It was kind of cool.
Brazil plays a great football, good game!

Will be have live broadcast in 2006? The time sounds right, after all, the bandwidth is getting
cheaper and cheaper.

true world champions (2, Insightful)

Gerp (20138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795257)

Brazil by far the best team in the world at the moment will have to qualify for the next world cup in Germany 2006 where as runners-up Germany get a free ticket as hosts, oh the irony!

The world cup was a fantastic success, it's great to see a competition where the world champions actually have to play teams outside of their own country unlike the superbowl or so called 'world series' ;)

Re:true world champions (0)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795268)

read the rules pal. the host _AND_ the curent champion qualifies automatically.

brasil didn't have to qualify for france98, france didn't have to qualify for corea/japan2002.

next cup, both brasil and germany have free tickets.

Re:true world champions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795289)

i read that the rules have changed and that no longer applies to the previous champion.

Bzzt, Wrong (2, Informative)

tlhf (312423) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795301)

They changed the rules.


Re:true world champions (2, Insightful)

Gerp (20138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795293)

FIFA have changes the rules for the next world cup. For the first time the champions have to qualify, only the hosts get to the finals automatically.

Some would argue that the qualifying process is good the for the teams. France entered this years competition probably short of much needed competitive games under their belt and looked a little bit off the pace - I'm sure they will be back next time however.

Re:true world champions (2, Informative)

delphos (589265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795330)

The 'world series' has nothing to do the the
world. It was originally sponsored by the
(long dead) newspaper called the New York World.

Re:true world champions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795374)

Would be +1 informative if with wasn't entirely untrue []

Re:true world champions (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795348)

"The world cup was a fantastic success, it's great to see a competition where the world champions actually have to play teams outside of their own country unlike the superbowl or so called 'world series' ;)"

This is one of the things that make the Olympics great as well.

Re:true world champions (1)

Killeri (238792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795356)

Unless you didn't notice, the world champions of 1998 didn't win a single game in this tournament. Who knows what will happen to Brazil in four years. A good change, IMO.

go Ronaldo go (2, Insightful)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795259)

Ronadlo erased the memories of the last world cup where he was unable to play thanks to an unwelcome fit. Teamwork won them their cup though.

About the champion being needing to qualify, i think thats good, since you see what happened to France..coming to the world cup having qualified and played as a team helps them in their campaign rather than come in from a dozen different clubs and expect to bulldoze the opposition.

Teamwork rules :)

Re:go Ronaldo go (1)

Gerv (15179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795342)

Ronaldo played in the last World Cup; his fit was just before the final, but he (controversially) played anyway, and had a terrible game.


Thanks for a amazing month (1)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795267)

I would like to thank all the teams that played in the world cup for all the joy and happiness they created in the whole world. Sports maybe can't make a better world but it can bring happiness to people all around the globe.

For me personally the joy I shared with my friends when Anders Svensson scored that amazing goal against Argentina will be with me for the rest of my life.

Now we just have to wait four years until the next world cup, it will be a long wait!

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pot, or gee, i really like pot, or time to smoke pot, either by
time (4:20 a.m. or p.m.), date (April 20th), or otherwise (e.g. State
Route 420). April 20th at 4:20 is marked by annual events in
Mount Tamalpais, CA (an informal gathering); Marin Conty, CA
(the 420 Hemp Fest); Ann Arbor, MI (the Hash Bash); and
Washington, D.C. (buildup towards the July 4th Smoke-In).

Original Source(s)

Conventional wisdom: The most common tale is that 420 is the
police radio code or criminal code (and therefore the police call)
in certain part(s) of California (e.g. in Los Angeles or San
Francisco) for having spotted someone consuming cannabis
publicly, i.e. pot smoking in progress; that local cannabis users
picked up on the code and began celebrating the number temporally
(esp. 4:20 a.m., 4:20 p.m., and April 20); that the number became
nationally popularized in the late 1980s and, more ferverently, in
the early- to mid-1990s; and is colloquially applied to a variety of
relaxed and/or inspired contexts, including not only pot
consumption but also a good time more generally (in contrast to
the drug war surrounding).

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anything, anywhere. Checks of criminal codes (including those of
the City of San Francisco, the City of Los Angeles, Los Angeles
County, the State of California, and the federal penal code) suggest
that the origin is neither Californian nor federal (the two best
guesses). For instance, California Penal Code 420 defines as a
misdemeanor the hindrance of use (obstructing entry) of public
lands, and California Family Code 420 defines what constitutes a
wedding ceremony (Marco). One state does come close: The
Illinois Department of Revenue classifies the Alcoholic Liquor Act
under Part 420, and the Cannabis and Controlled Substances Tax
Act are next, under Part 428. (RB 5/19/99)

True story?: According to Steven Hager, editor of High Times,
the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971,
among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who
called themselves the Waldos. The term 420 was shorthand for the
time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis
Pasteur, to smoke pot. ``Waldo Steve, a member of the group who
now owns a business in San Francisco, says the Waldos would
salute each other in the school hallway and say ``420 Louis! The
term was one of many invented by the group, but it was the one
that caught on. ``It was just a joke, but it came to mean all kinds of
things, like `Do you have any? or `Do I look stoned? he said.
``Parents and teachers wouldn t know what we were talking about.
The term took root, and flourished, and spread beyond San Rafael
with the assistance of the Grateful Dead and their dedicated cohort
of pot-smoking fans. The Waldos decided to assert their claim to
the history of the term after decades of watching it spread, mutate
and be appropriated by commercial interests. The Waldos contacted
Hager, and presented him with evidence of 420 s history, primarily
a collection of postmarked letters from the early 70s with lots of
mention of 420. They also started a Web site, ``We
have proof, we were the first, Waldo Steve said. ``I mean, it s not
like we wrote a book or invented anything. We just came up with a
phrase. But it s kind of an honor that this emanated from San
Rafael. Maria Alicia Gaura for the San Francisco Chronicle,
4/20/00 p. A19; and thanks to Noah Cole for the submission

Alternate explanations

There are a variety of other explanations, all much more interesting
than police code, and many plausible. Some are more likely uses
of the 420/hemp connection rather than sources of it, such as the
score for the football game in Fast Times at Ridgement High,

Known Myths: It isn t police code (see above). There are 315
chemicals in marijuana, not 420. And although tea time in
Amsterdam is rumored to be 4:20, it is actually 5:30 (Gerhard
den Hollander).
Sixties Songs: For instance, Bob Dylan s famous Rainy Day
Women #12 and 35 is a possible reference, or source --
12x35=420. And Stephen Stills wrote (and Crosby Stills Nash
& Young performed) a song 4+20 (first recorded 7/16/69,
released on Deja Vu 3/11/70) about an 84-year-old
poverty-stricken man who started and finished with nothing.
(Thanks to Sherry Keel 12/6/98.) Dylan aslo mentions 4 and
20 windows in The Balland of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest
(on John Wesley Harding).
Older Verse: But 420 in poetry is older than that - Greg
Keller notes the old nursery rhyme line, four and twenty
black birds baked in a pie. Revelation 5:14 (in the King
James Version of the Christian Bible) reads, And the four
beasts said A-Men. And the four and twenty elders fell down
and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. (Travis
Spurley 2/15/99) And in Midnight s_Children, Salman
Rushdie wrote, Inevitably, a number of these children failed
to survive. Malnutrition, disease and the misfortunes of
everyday life had accounted for no less than four hundred and
twenty of them by the time I became conscious of their
existence; although it is possible to hypothesize that these
deaths, too, had their purpose, since 420 has been, since time
immemorial, the number associated with fraud, deception and
trickery. (Comet 2/14/98) Comet s best guess is that this
refers to something in Indian mythology or numerology, since
the book is set in India and frequently involves Indian history,
culture, and religion. Given the high interest in Eastern
religion among the phish/dead community, this seems a likely
origin of 420 s current significance.
Temporal Significance: Hands on analog clock at 4:20 look
like position of doobie dangling from mouth Larry in
Tuscan and Alex Mack 5/19/99). Disruptive students are out
of detention and safetly away from school by 4:20, also
rumored to be the time that you should dose to be peaking
when the Dead went on stage Hart. The Waldos were a
group of teens back in the 70 s that lived in San Rafael, CA.
420 was the way they talked about pot in front of teachers,
non-smoking family members etc. Also it was the time of day
they could just go relax, and get baked. (PhunkCellar)
Jamaicans purportedly worked till 4 then walked home then
lit up. They would talk 420 like our parents talked about after
5. That s when partying began Larry in Tuscan). Albert (not
Abbie) Hofmann supposedly first encountered LSD at 4:20
p.m. on 4/19/1943 (Bart Coleman citing Storming Heaven by
Jay Stevens, recommended by Mickey Hart in Planet Drum).
Surrealist painter Miro was born April 20, 1893. And says the propoganda film Reefer
Madness has a copyright date of April 20, 1936 (i.e. 4/20).
(Patrick Woolford)
Misc: Could be that it comes from hydroponics, the practice
of cultivating plants in water often used by indoor marijuana
cultivators, since 4 is used for H on a calculator (420/H20).
(Nick Lowe 3/30/00) The number 80 (eight) is quatre vingt
(pronounced cah-truh vahn), meaning four (times} twenty.
Dan Nijjar 1/27/00 (No connection yet between the number
80 and pot. A quarter pound is roughly 120 grams, rounding
quarter-ounces to 7.5.) The titanic was supposed to arrive
4/20/1912. (Thanks to RB.) Perhaps the heavy use of vt420
terminals in the Berkeley area is to blame? (BTW, 420 in
binary code is 110100100.)


Now there s a 420 Pale Ale. One of the late-97/early-98 Got
Milk ads featured a character eating cookies without milk and
then passing a sign that reads Next Rest Area 420 miles (as Ross
Bruning). Reportedly, all of the clocks in the movie Pulp Fiction
are stuck on 4:20. Shirts with the number 420 on the red-and-blue
interstate highway shield (Interstate 420?) have show up on the
sitcom Will and Grace (Paul Risenhoover 5/14/99) and in several
videos. UPS labelling software has a 420 postal code legend for
next-day/2-day deliveries (which is how Phish tickets are sent).
(Jack Lebowitz 10/3/98) MTV s 1997 Viewer s Choice Award (for
the MTV Video Awards) was decided by calls to
1-800-420-4MTV. And by May of 1998, the number was
appearing in so many ads (eg Copenhagen 5/14/98 Rolling Stone
p54, Corvette p55 5/98 Car & Driver) that its presence is
presumed to be intentional. Many songs are around 4 minutes 20
seconds long (since many songs fall between 2:30 and 5:30),
including for example Pink Floyd s A Great Day for Freedom (on
The Division Bell, 1994), the Foo Fighters My Hero, and
Smokin from Boston s first album. There have also been some
420 references on The Simpsons. In the re-run episode aired on
April 20th, 1999 at a special time (probably in honor of those
college students staying in the holiday spirit ;-), Homer mentions to
Flanders that Barney s birthday is April 20th. Also, the jackpot sign
in one part of the casino says $420,000. There are a couple less
concrete ones, but these two have to be legit, especially since they
decided to air THAT particular episode on 4/20/99. (Submitted by
Matt Meehan 4/21/99) And (as of Fall 99) the 60 free minutes that
Working Assets Long Distance offers, at the 7 cents per minute
rate, is $4.20 free. There s even a band named 420, and another
names . In the first fifteen pages of Karel Capek s novel War with
the Newts, a man diving under wonder stayed down for four
minutes and twenty seconds. Grant Garstka 1/6/00 At the
suggested retail price ($3.96) and Michigan (6%) sales tax, a deck
of Uno cards costs $4.20. Nic Boris 4:20 marks the first downbeat
of the drums in Led Zeppelin s epic Stairway to Heaven. (Dan
Harris) The bill authorizing force after the World Trade Center
attacks of 9/11/01 passed 420 to 1, and news reports in following
months noted many times that there are (or were then, anyway) 420
airports in the U.S. Allan Morris And don t forget that Adolf Hitler
was born on April 20, macabely celebrated (or at least
referenced) via the Columbine High School shootings.

Phish-related Occurances

Whatever the origin, the number appears frequently... For the
summer 1997 tour, TicketMaster service charges were $4.20. In
the Fall 1997 Doniac Schvice Dry Goods section, a limited edition
Pollack poster printed on 100% hemp is order number 420P. The
Great Went was 420 miles from Boston (former home of Phish).
The official logo includes 4 gills and 20 bubbles (Gringo
11/12/98). As of 6/15/97, including covers and originals, Phish
had performed a total of 420 songs (thought its 486 by 4/24/98).
(David Steinberg). Lawnboy is 420megs of memory. Patrick
Walker Phish s The Vibration of Life underlies a whirling loop
with Seven Beats per second (which makes 420 beats per minute.)
Trey has used the altered line woke up at 4:20 in Makisupa
Policeman, which also often indirectly celebrates 420ing, e.g. by
mention of goo balls. One of the funniest shirts around takes light
jabs at both the 4:20 phenomenon and the rumored evolution
(collapse?) of the Phish.Net (especially from
being Gamehendge to Flamehendge, and beyond. The first day of
the Great Went started at 4:20 (with Makisupa Policeman. (The
second day started late, at 4:37.) Noah Cole The first single from
Slip Stitch and Pass was played on WBCN 10/14/97 at 4:20 pm.
An uproar at 12/31/96 can be heard on tape during the 2001, in
response to an enormous digital clock (which was counting down
to midnight) reaching 11:55:40 and reading -4:20. (Yoda)
During the 9-12-00 2001, Trey hits the first riff right at 4:20 into
the intro jam. (Cal 2/25/01) Some mail order tickets for the 1997
New Year s run were in section 420. The first Mass Pike toll
leaving Oswego was $4.20. (Camille Heath ) And the standard
shipping for The Phish Companion through Amazon was
originally $4.20.

420 Shows: Phish performed on April 20 in 1989, 1990, 1991,
1993, and 1994. The first day of the Great Went started at 4:20,
although that was called a soundcheck by Trey after three songs.
The Jazzfest Harry Hood 4-26-96 started at about 4:20 reported by
Trevor. At Big Cypress, David Bowie was playing at 4:20 a.m.
And the one event during the hiatus (10/8/00 - ?) featuring all
four members - for Jason Colton s wedding - was 12/1/01, 420

Great World Cup! (1)

Wenjie (516194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795271)

It was a great game. Brazil won it for a record 5th time, and to think they actually had problems qualifying for it. This World Cup also saw a couple of countries not known for their football catching up with the other traditional football countries, like Senegal, Turkey, Korea, and USA. All in all, this World Cup will be best remembered as a World Cup of upsets. Who would have thought that the defending champion, France, got kicked out during the first round, without having a single point, without scoring a single goal? It will also be remembered as a World Cup of controversies. Korea's path to the semi finals were filled with dubious referee decisions, so much so that one of the referee who was officiating the match between Italy and Korea, which the Koreans won eventually, was rumoured to be a target of the Italian mafia. Looking forward to World Cup 2006 in Germany!

Re:Great World Cup! (2)

Gerv (15179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795335)

France did in fact get a point, from a 0-0 draw.


ABC Coverage in US!?!? (1)

duplicate-nickname (87112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795273)

In talking with friends around the country, it sounds like I'm not the only one who got up at 6:30 AM to find out that the local ABC station was not covering the World Cup final.

Why the fuck would a station rather schedule informercials instead of the World Cup final?? The most watched event on TV in the world and Americans are shown an easier way to roast chickens.

Luckily I'm in Michigan and have CBC available, or else I would have been watching it en espanol on Univision.

Was there anyone else here who didn't have ABC/ESPN coverage?

Re:ABC Coverage in US!?!? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795283)

ME. I am in bangor maine, I am from brazil, and I didn't watch. I actually called my parents in Brazil and listened to the whole game via the PHONE!!!!!

Let's hear it for the CBC (2)

s20451 (410424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795296)

The CBC [] carried the semi-finals and finals live, and aired a number of games on tape delay. They also used the BBC audio feed, which provided probably the best English language commentary.

However, I'm told that FIFA was asking for an enormous amount of money for the rights to broadcast games ... CBC nearly didn't carry it, but they worked out some sort of deal. Maybe ABC thought it was too much to pay for a 6 AM broadcast ...

Re:ABC Coverage in US!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795300)

If there is anyway out there to do something against ABC so this will never happen again, please let me know. I want to sue them!

Re:ABC Coverage in US!?!? (0, Troll)

SparkyMartin (206236) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795316)

Why the fuck would a station rather schedule informercials instead of the World Cup final??
Because 99.9% of the ppl in America could care less about soccer.

The most watched event on TV in the world
And your point is what?? For most nations that play soccer it is the only game in town, or rather, the country.

Re:ABC Coverage in US!?!? (1)

duplicate-nickname (87112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795324)

Yea, becuase this schedule:
6:30AM Paid Programming
7:00AM Paid Programming
7:30AM Living Word Outreach
8:00AM Coral Ridge Hour

would pick up more viewers than the World Cup Finals. Whatever...

Re:ABC Coverage in US!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795337)

Agreed...I only saw a couple matches because of this crappy scheduling and lack of cable/satellite/whatever tv...fortunately one of those couple matches was the final (I was backing deutschland :( )...I think more people would be into soccer in the US if it was played professionally with the same enthusiasm you see during the world cup, and even just during the normal season in countries where it's popular. I wish I could've watched more of the world cup, but the US professional It seems a bit mundane after getting a glimpse of how the rest of the world feels about the can see more enthusiasm at your local playground.

Re:ABC Coverage in US!?!? (1)

sinserve (455889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795349)

ABC eats dick. They didn't even show us the celebration or even the ceremony.
I had to endure 15 minutes of "Prudential" and "Coca Cola" commercials waiting
for them to continue, but nothing. I had to flip through the chanels looking
for Telemundo, but I couldn't find it.

World Cup on /. = End of the World. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795279)

I got linked to the story from a friend after the game. This is strange. Slashdot definately NEEDS.MORE.FOOTBALL(soccer).

I'm glad there was a mention on one of the best World Cups ever. Kahn was destroyed. Brazil was incredible.

Re:World Cup on /. = End of the World. (1)

k98sven (324383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795390)

I'm glad there was a mention on one of the best World Cups ever. Kahn was destroyed.Brazil was incredible

Umm.. I thought Borland fired Philippe Kahn years ago?
And what does the World Cup have to do with it?

Timing (1)

SirTwitchALot (576315) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795280)

Every time I hear a story about the World Cup on CNN, my mind hears Worldcom. So I glance away from my monitor only to see people playing Soccer. Worldcom is over?! SELL SELL

EURO 2004 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795290)

don't forget that before the next WorldCup you'll have the European tournament heald in Portugal in 2004! :-)

Brasil! (2)

7-Vodka (195504) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795291)

Penta Campeao!

Re:Brasil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795306)

O proximo sera nosso! VIVA PORTUGAL!

PS. Parabens Brasil !

The future looks bleak (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795295)

It is official; Sports Illustrated confirms: Soccer is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Soccer community when FIFA confirmed that the Soccer demographic has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all sport fans. Coming on the heels of a recent Sports Illustrated survey which plainly states that Soccer has lost more fans, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Soccer is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sport's Choice Awards.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [] to predict Soccer's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Soccer faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Soccer because Soccer is dying. Things are looking very bad for Soccer. As many of us are already aware, Soccer continues to lose fans. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

English Premier League is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core players. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Soccer players Diego Maradona and Bernard Lama only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Soccer is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

UEFA leader Lennart Johansson, states that there are 7000 fans of UEFA. How many fans of English Premier League are there? Let's see. The number of UEFA versus English Premier League posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Premier League fans. Australian Soccer posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Premier League posts. Therefore there are about 700 fans of Australian Soccer. A recent article put World Cup at about 80 percent of Soccer competitions. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 World Cup fans. This is consistent with the number of World Cup Usenet posts.

All major surveys show that Soccer has steadily lost fans. Soccer is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Soccer is to survive at all it will be among sport hobbyists and historical recreationists. Soccer continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Soccer is dead.

Fact: Soccer is dying

Re:The future looks bleak (1)

sinserve (455889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795367)

MOD THIS UP, you fucking stupid moderators. It is funny and this is NOT a day
to mod down anyone.

Take your fucking group-think mentality to Miscorcrap and Open Sores stories,
this is a happy story and no one should be moded down for speaking their mind.

News for nerds?? (0, Troll)

erroneus (253617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795299)

This is not a sports-oriented news site. (Arguably, this may not even be considered a news site...) This is supposed to be about science and computers and geeky stuff like that there.

Now if somehow the players were wearing some cool electronic gear like World-ID-ear-tags-traceable-via-satelite then yeah, that's news for nerds. But c'mon!!!

And the distasteful way michael commented on world-cup in general? VERY U.S.American. I'm in Texas but even I tend to realize that the U.S. isn't the center of the world... (though I still believe everyone wants to be in or like the U.S. hehe) I'm not so arrogant as all that though.

I hope we don't have superbowl announcements, or before long we'll have periodic postings about the WWE... then what? Comments on the latest Jerry Springer show? (For those outside of the U.S., I have no idea if you know what that show is about, but I can recommend it as a model for U.S. Culture.)

Stuff that Matters (5, Insightful)

rleyton (14248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795320)

How about the other part of the site's title? "Stuff That Matters", just because it's not geeky doesn't mean there's no interest on this site, and therefore matters to readers.

Good grief, it's the single biggest sports event in the world.

News alert: Some geeks like sport.

That doesn't mean I'm any good at sport though...

Re:Stuff that Matters (2)

CaseStudy (119864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795354)

Yeah, but the fact that we're nerds probably means that those of use who care about it have enough technical savvy to access news sites other than Slashdot.

Re:News for nerds?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795345)

Well not everybody wants to be in or like the States, so you can stop believing that.
I'd prefer to be in any European, Oceanic or perhaps Japan before being in the states.
True freedom and true democracy.
Not faked propaganda.

Congratulations Brazil!

Brasilians do not have last names? (1)

zdzichu (100333) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795303)

Accidentally seeing some match with brasilians, I saw, that they apparently don't have last names. Every team from other countries have players with First Name and Last Name, but not Brasil. Why?

Re:Brasilians do not have last names? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795329)

The names on the back on their shirts are actually "nicknames" they have chosen. In general Brazilians have four names which they then choose a shorter moniker, much like the slashdot readers. Pele bears no resemblense to his full name, Edson Arantes do Nascimento.

Re:Brasilians do not have last names? (5, Informative)

jorlando (145683) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795332)

That's easy to explain... here in Brazil people are called by their first name, calling somebody by it's last name is unusual (it happens mostly when there are two people with the same first name, so one is "elected" to being called for his last name...).
So all these players are known here by their first name... it would be very confusing for the Brazillian public see in the player's shirts their last names... even for foreigners, since almost nobody knows Ronaldo's last name (I know... but I forgot :-)

Re:Brasilians do not have last names? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795343)

If you forgot you don't really know now do you?

Re:Brasilians do not have last names? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795372)

What does "Vampeta" mean (I know he's a player; what does the name mean)? What did the players/subs have written on their shirts at the end?

Brasilian players don't use their real names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795334)

Their names are quite long like: Ronaldo Luiz Nazario da Lima. Thus players choose something shorter like Ronaldo.

"I belong to Jesus" / "Jesus Loves You" (1)

Gerv (15179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795304)

Did you see the t-shirts? :-)

Great to see several Brazilian players (and the entire team, if that enormous circle was a prayer circle, which it seemed to be) giving credit where it's due for their talents and gifts :-)


Re:"I belong to Jesus" / "Jesus Loves You" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795313)

Their talents and "gifts" are their own.

does that work both ways? (1, Flamebait)

gimpboy (34912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795336)

would it be ok if the germans gathered in a circle cursing god and jesus for their loss? i mean heck if you credit god for brasil's win, do you also give the big G credit for germany's loss? does it work out more like this:

good event = praise god.
bad event = the lord works in mysterious ways.

to me it's an all or nothing thing.

Re:does that work both ways? (1)

Gerv (15179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795347)

I didn't "credit God for Brazil's win", I said that it's great that they recognise that He gave them the talents they used to win. He gives everyone different gifts; theirs happen to be being good at football.


Re:does that work both ways? (5, Funny)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795380)

He gives everyone different gifts; theirs happen to be being good at football.

And here I was thinking hard work and practice is what gave them their "gifts", thanks for setting me straight.

Maybe if I pray a whole lot I will suddenly learn Java, it's something I've been meaning to do anyway, why waste times with books when I can beg my magical friend for skills instead!

Thanks, you probably saved me many hours of work and study.

Re:does that work both ways? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795388)

I do hopee the Germans take the time to curse his name for being vicious and evil enough to only give them the skills to lose. Or we could drop the medieval fairy story and admit God doesn't exist; I'm easy with both.

Re:does that work both ways? (0, Troll)

Jesus IS the Devil (317662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795351)

How true, how true.

Heck just look at my name haha...

I'm telling you, religious people are very slippery. They always have that "god works in mysterious ways" ace card.

Re:does that work both ways? (1)

Gerv (15179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795358)

So if Jesus is the Devil, then you must believe both in Jesus and the Devil. From where do you get your belief that both these people exist?


Very nice World Cup, but.. (4, Interesting)

GauteL (29207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795322)

.. spoiled by very bad referee decisions in the quarter final and semi final leading to the expulsion of Italy and Spain for a worse side (South Korea).

Nice to see new nations doing great in the World Cup final. Traditionally, it has been a contest between Europe, Argentina and Brazil, while this World Cup has seen Asia and even the US do well, while Africa dissappointed a little, except for Senegal.

This is NOT the best World Cup quality wise though. The standards were imho way better in France 1998 and possibly even USA 1994. The reason might be that the big european stars, or other stars playing in big european clubs looked pretty jaded in this World Cup, possible due to ever increasing amount of highly competitive games in Europe for the best teams, pretty close to the world cup (for instance Champions League).

If you go further back you may need to take into account that the tempo has increased considerably and defensive organization become way better, giving less goals. This is actually a sign of quality, the best leagues almost always have less goals than the poorer ones. This would mean that people might remember more chances and more exciting games, even though the teams would most probably loose against modern teams. Confusing eh?


sinserve (455889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795323)

I can't believe the Germans beat us. The US had a much better game than the team
I have seen malperforming today. I can't believe I woke up for this pitiful game. Ireland,
Korea, Turkey and Croatia had a better game than Germany.

The Germans were playing with high balls, the guy with jersey number 7 was their best, as
he had the best control over air balls (have you seen how he played, IIRC Roberto Carlos?)
That was the only guy who new how to control Germany's playing style of choice, "Volley ball".

Ronaldo had two goals cooked for him. Two goalie spit the ball, after Rivaldo tried to force
feed him, and our favorite "celeb" was there to finish it. He put more effort into the second
goal, but still it was too easy for him.

There was a surprise kid on the Brazillian side (the guys with the braces, who hit the pole) he
is a rookie but had the balls to go for a long shot. I guess he had coach's OK. Watch out for this
guy, he is the next Romaria, and Ronaldo.

What else? yeah, Juninho came in late, but sparked a fucking quick attack. The fastest I have seen
in a long time.

The Germans were keen on long shots and high balls, I guess this is an "strategy" against the
famous Brazillian 1-2 and groand balls, but to be honest, it was quite a bad strategy.

Last but not least, the german Coach (who was a great player btw, along side Mueller and Klinsman)
had the nerve to bring an obesse man to the field. Yes, the black player was a FAT ASS, he couldn't
run. He was supposed to mark Ronaldo, but he let him score the second goal.

It was a Brazillian game in every way, they beat the Germans so easily that the crowd started
celebrating 15 minutes before the end of the game. Kahn was great against the little boys, but
litterally fell on his face when challenged by the world's well deserved soccer giants. I would
hate to be the man to face an attack backed by Cafu and Roberto Carlos, and carried out by Rivaldo,
Ronaldinho and Ronaldo.

Go ahead /. the news sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795338)

Haa .. As a soccer geek I already checked it and then came here.

Who cares? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795339)

Who cares about a stupid soccer game? Real Americans don't. And stop calling soccer "football." There already is a football.

Re:Who cares? (5, Insightful)

Gerv (15179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795350)

> And stop calling soccer "football." There already is a football.

Stop calling football "soccer", and start calling the sport that you guys play but no-one else does "American football", which is a far more accurate term for it.

You have to face it on this one - both history and worldwide usage are not on your side. :-)


PKZIP must work very well in Brazil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795344)

because everybodys name ends in "aldo".

from the we-call-it-soccer dept (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795360)

"from the we-call-it-soccer dept"

Wow, Slashdot wrong again. Who would have guessed?

World == World (1)

azzy (86427) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795373)

Footbal World Cup... open to the whole world... as opposed to World Series?

USA makes a mockery of the game! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3795379)

While the whole world lives and breathes soccer, the people of the United States watch Tiger Woods. Or they watch college baseball.
They don't watch their team make it the farthest they have since 1930.

How bad must it suck to watch a country that could care less about soccer come in and destroy your best teams? While Europe throws their best teams at the USA, the USA laughs and beats Potugal and the mighty Mexico. Oh Poland took a game, they were "playing for pride". What pride? The US team laughed at them running all over the field acting like they were winners, knowing the whole time it was Poland going home at the end of the day.

When the USA wins the whole thing, the country will just keep going as normal. They'll just say "it's about time you beat those losers" knowing that soccer is irrelevent anyway. How bad does that suck? To lose to a team where the country could care less.

Here the French sit at home. They think "well we won it last time, what can you say to that?" But when the USA wins the world cup, they won't even have that to say to the apathetic people of the USA.

go soccer.... um (4, Insightful)

haukex (229058) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795381)

1.5 billion expected viewers and the story has to be submitted by the one slashdot editor who sounds like he could care less? Come on, you can't *all* have slept through this...

bah! (0, Flamebait)

jedie (546466) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795384)

There are many resons why I think the worldcup is a bad thing that should be stopped:

1- the money: the amount of money that is poured into the WC is ridiculous. Just consider the ad campaigns Adidas and Nike launched for the WC, and try to visualise this on a global scale. That money alone could rebuild a third-world country. Keep other stuff in mind: stadiums had to be built, little leaflets had to be printed (millions and millions of them), the teams had to be flewn over (they were luxurously accomodated), the refferees had to be payed, etc. etc.
I don't know about the rest of the teams but all the Korean players got 40 million euros _each_ (not from FIFA) for reaching the 4th place.
In short, we are talking about massive sums of money, billions of euros/dollars... that's decadent. This money could be used for somthing far more better to the benefit of mankind.

2- Bread and games: if you keep the mass satisfied with useless stuff such as this, they turn into plants and stop thinking. "Couch-soccering" is mindnumbing and should be made illegal.
Can someone please explain to me why there are people who know everything about soccer (I mean EVERYTHING, they'll tell you who scored a goal in what game and what year, and give background info on the player) and yet they fail to read a decent book?
Again... decadent.

3- "fair play" and "sportsmanship": I have one thing to say on that: "HAHA!". There is no such thing as fairplay in the WC, everybody can clearly see that players just pretend to be hurt and throw themselves on the grass. And I'm not talking about the shirt-pulling and the nasty blows in the backs.
On this subject: let's not forget about the Hooligans.
International soccer and WC is all about winning and money (or fame or women or drugs... whatever...)

in short: BAN the FIFA WC!

jedie's list of other stuff to ban:

  • "Eurovision songfestival" and any other songfestival without any form of talent but lots of spectacle.
  • All forms of professional sports.
  • sport channels and news(who the hell came up with a stupid idea like that? a channel dedciated to sport?)
  • reruns of scoobydoo

Flame on!

Trophy? (1)

echucker (570962) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795385)

The ABC announcers kept harping about an 11 pound solid gold trophy, IIRC.... Umm, wouldn't that puppy be pretty durned malleable, and lose shape after it got paraded around the field and such?

Darn, now on the next Karoake night... (2)

mikosullivan (320993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3795387)

... I have to sing the Brazilian National Anthem [] , in Portuguese no less. I lost the bet.
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