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First Warcraft 3 Reviews Trickle In

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the i'd-rather-be-sailing dept.

Games 363

Mortin writes "Several reviews of Warcraft 3, set to be released on July 3, are up at Icrontic,, and of course IGN. Looks like Blizzard has yet another killer game on their hands."

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Join the trolls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796865)

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July 3? (5, Funny)

Apreche (239272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796873)

Are you sure it's supposed to be released on July 3? I mean everyone I know has it already.

Re: July 3? (4, Insightful)

Andorion (526481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796882)

Even so - people will buy it so they can play on the official network.


Re: July 3? (2)

mizhi (186984) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797002)

I have a copy, but I also have had a copy reserved for me. The copy was useful for seeing if my old hardware (which was really good 3 years ago!) could handle it... it can... at the low settings. :-) IN any case, you're right, I like blizzard's games. I loved warcraft 2, starcraft, and now wc3. They have fun with their games, which I like. So I want to see them get compensated for their good work. :-)

Re: July 3? (1)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796883)

On a gaming forum I love we got into a fight over when this game will come out.

I've seen it stores for a while now.

Re: July 3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796983)


It has been on Kazaa for about 2 weeks (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797007)

I just finished the single player campaign and now I'm moving on to FSGS for online play. I'll say that its a good game but it isn't worth $102 (canadian).

I used to like Blizzard, until all the BnetD stuff (0, Funny)

danny256 (560954) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797018)

Now I hate them and I have pirated war 3 and distributed it too all my friends and everyone I know. This will teach blizzard to mess with open source. (Actually it probably won't but at least I got the game for free)

Haha! Its all mine! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796874)

Yes, the first post is mine! I shall auction it off on eBay however. Fuck CLIT.

Re:Haha! Its all mine! (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796903)

only AC white trash like yourself would sell the name of CLIT on ebay to turn a profit

crap - missed first post (-1, Offtopic)

MobileDude (530145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796875)


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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796878)

is for fags

Re:warcraft (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796910)

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Re:warcraft (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796935)


Just Checking (1)

Chillblaine (586808) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796879)

Ummm.... is the boycott still on ?

Re:Just Checking (1)

randyest (589159) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796895)

What boycott? I mean, I boycott these kinds of games myself, but alone and without any fanfare. I just can't get into the RTS thing -- it's just so much click-and-watch.

I play FPS, only, almost exclusively.

I assume there are some RTS-types here, and I wonder -- do you play FPS games also?

Re:Just Checking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796929)

Well, I try to play FPS's occasionally... They just aren't fun and I'm horrible at them anyway. I guess FPS types and RTS types are just different:)

I'll try not to hold your imperfections against you though;)

Re:Just Checking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796950)

I play both well. They simply don't play the same. Big deal.

I find that most people that play either are usually bad, with an exceptional group that are simply orders of magnitude better than the rest.

Re:Just Checking (1)

packeteer (566398) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797095)

what im wondering is if this will kill starcraft... i STILL enjopy playing starcraft but if another killer FPS from blizzard comes online i think SC will be abandoned in droves leaving only a few hardcore behind...

Re:Just Checking (1)

MikeS2k (589190) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796999)

I enjoy both RTS and FPS games, infact they're the only two types of game that I like.

Re:Just Checking (2)

Lonath (249354) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796928)

There's no boycott. However, if you think this company did something that you don't like, then you don't have to give them your money just because they came out with something new that you want. If you don't have a problem with this company's track record and you like the product, then go buy it. People will applaud and mock you no matter what you do, so just make the decision for yourself.

Re:Just Checking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797084)

Slashdot? Leading a boycott? You gotta be kidding me.

Let's see:
1) The MPAA is bad! But, we gotta have those new anime DVDs..
2) The RIAA is bad! But, uh, we'll keep buying CDs.
3) Blizzard/Vivendi is bad! But oooh oooh gotta drool all over Warcrap 3!

This is slashdot, home of the hypocrite.

I'll wait for the demo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796885)

after the dissapointment of having pre-ordered Neverwinter Nights I'm going to wait for demos from now on... argh...

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Yawn (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796890)

The RTS genre is one of those that i found interesting at first, but after playing six to eight quite similar games, i've kind of lost interest in the genre. I had quite a lot of fun with Starcraft and Myth 2 for a short while, but mostly only when i could find someone i knew to play with, like at a LAN party or something. Eventually, i got kind of tired of these. I don't really play these games anymore.

Give me one reason why i should care about WarCraft 3, given that? Is there any reason that this is different or would catch my attention? I'm reading the reviews. Nothing is particularly catching my eye.

If no one can come up with a good answer to this question, i think i'm just going to go back to bed, pretend i'm boycotting Blizzard because of their unethical attempts to use barratry to crush people legally reverse-engineering their games' communication protocols, and eagerly await this fall, when the mac release of Neverwinter Nights is out, and i will also be able to play Star Wars Galaxies on my girlfriend's PC :)

-- super ugly ultraman

Re:Yawn (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796924)

its not the most difficult game as most ppl have already beaten it. except mortin the guy that posted this article and runs is a general lamer and his website is the very pinnacle of newbie-ism on the internet today.

Re:Yawn (2, Insightful)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796974)

The one reason you should care about Warcraft3 is that it's a long-awaited cultural event. Everyone who's anyone on the internet knows about it and for some time people will have an opinion about it. That's not saying YOU should or that it's even a GOOD THING (tm) but it's something you should know. It's coming out July 3rd, a lot of internet savvy people care. Sleeping through this 'event' will be easy and probably wise. Oh yeah, Blizzard is a game company who has an unblemished track record in game varied popular game titles (debateable...Blackthorne?).
There is no similar company. This is yet another opportunity to prove themselves or fail.

The games are getting better (1)

MoTec (23112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797029)

The games in the genre are just getting better. I think that War3, with it's hero system and it's group/subgroup system takes a big step forward.

The way I see it, RTS's come down to:

Resource management: Getting the resources you need without wasting any resources. Not making too many workers or mining more resources than you need.

Unit Managment: Moving and fighting your units, controlling them efficently. Making sure your weak units are protected and getting your units where they need to be.


Army Building:
Having the right units and unit combos to offset your oponent and get the job done with the least losses or cost.

In multiplayer the winner is the one that is better at most of the above. I don't see that changing. War3 adds a bit, tho with the Hero system. In previous games the winner had a large, massive army. Some people killed there workers so they could get more warriors in under the population cap. With the heros you don't have to have as large of an army so it's easier to manage. Unit matchups and other real 'strategic' elements will become more important than being able to control huge armies.

I've been playing War3 for over a week now and I really like it. I think it's the current 'king' of the RTS's. :)

Re:Yawn (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797106)

I don't know about Warcraft 3, but if you want a good RTS game that's bubbling over with originality, try Sacrifice. It's a game from Shiny that unfortunately was met with the market's usual reaction to true creativity and brilliance: it was a total flop. But it's a fantastic, powerful game with unbelievable replay value. Oh, and the music is unbelievably awesome. Snag a copy off Ebay or something and try it.

Make up your mind... (0, Insightful)

JohnA (131062) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796894)

Slashdot (specifically Michael) posts several front page stories [] talking about how Blizzard is suing the bnetd project [] , and then they post these reviews.

Sigh... to be expected... I guess the Slashdot editors are only interested in preserving their rights when it doesn't involve any action on their part.

Re:Make up your mind... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796899)

Sigh... to be expected... I guess you're only the 900th moron to post the exact same thing. In 30 seconds, some twit will inevitably post the whole homosexual evil-MOndays/good-Tuesdays crap, too.

Re:Make up your mind... (5, Insightful)

LadyGuardian (568469) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796922)

Yes, but isn't it up to the individual to make up their own mind? Being presented with both sides of the issue is the only way to ensure that you have the ability to make an educated decision.

Conversely, /. isn't the best spot to go for pro-Microsoft/big-corporation news, so I know my point is kind of stepped on that way...

Re:Make up your mind... (-1, Flamebait)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796964)

Leave the Slashdot posting to the men, little girl.

Why dont you make yourself useful and go bake me a cake?

Re:Make up your mind... (3, Insightful)

Saxerman (253676) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796940)

I'll admit I was disappointed that there is no link or mention of the bnetd lawsuit in this story. However, Slashdot is suppose to be a news site. As much as we might like /. to turn into a political activist website I would rather make up my own mind on the issues rather than checking in here on how to think or act.

As such, I will not be buying WC3 if they continue this lawsuit and have told all my friends why. Unfortunately they seem to think I'm some kind of weird Linux zealot (as opposed to a Protoss one?) and will be buying it anyways. But at least I'm trying to make a difference by not joining in their reindeer games, right?

"Say, why won't Sax play Warcraft with us?" "I think it's against his religion."

Re:Make up your mind... (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796955)

well the whole bnet thing is stupid. People tried to circumvent and reverse engineer a copyrigted system, and got sued. Big deal, they deserved it. Blizzard is simply trying to protect their software from pirates by forcing people to buy the game to play online.

People can boycott blizzard all they want, but their whining is really stupid.

Re:Make up your mind... (-1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796958)

Michael must have forgotten to take his I-hate-corporations pill today. That, or he used up all his bitterness moaning about how much he loathes the world Cup [] earlier today.

Re:Make up your mind... (4, Insightful)

Skirwan (244615) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796960)

I guess the Slashdot editors are only interested in preserving their rights when it doesn't involve any action on their part.
Or maybe they're interested in providing a fair and balanced coverage of news issues.

Slashdot is a news site. Part of reporting the news is covering both sides of the issues, regardless of personal belief. Would you prefer the editors simply post their opinions, without linking to documentation? Personally I much prefer the current system, wherein information is provided and I form my own opinion. If you are unable to form opinions, either through brain damage or simple lack of cognitive functionality, perhaps we can arrange a 'Slashdot lite' where the editors can simply tell you what to think.

Again, for the slower readers: This is a news site. It reports the news (for nerds) and stuff that matters.

Damn the Emperor!

Re:Make up your mind... (3, Funny)

Luyseyal (3154) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797072)

Slashdot lite

Wouldn't that present a namespace conflict with the current Slashdot 'lite' mode?


Re:Make up your mind... (1)

n3rd (111397) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797073)

If you think this site isn't biased you must have started reading within the last hour.

Can anyone dig up some stats on the pro-Linux stories verses the number of pro-Microsoft stories? How about stories about Apache bugs vs IIS bugs?

Personally I much prefer the current system, wherein information is provided and I form my own opinion.

There are links to 3 positive reviews. Where are the links to the negative ones so you can see both sides?

they aren't the same issue (5, Insightful)

gripdamage (529664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797059)

Let me spell this out for you: this article is about Warcraft 3 being a killer game. The bnetd project has nothing to do with it.

It's obviously possible to think Blizzard's actions against bnetd are wrong, and think Warcraft 3 is a killer game at the same time.

What you seem to be proposing is that Michael should lie or omit the truth about Warcraft 3, because he disagrees with Blizzard's actions against bnetd.

Oh, get over it. (1)

Rotten168 (104565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797069)

You're like the morons in PCU who pick a new pet issue to protest every week. War 3 is reportedly surging to record sales despite your misguided crusade.

Grow up, get a life, etc. etc.

My review. (5, Funny)

The_Shadows (255371) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796900)

I've been playing the Beta since Spring. It's wonderful. I've got the Special Edition on order from EB. I've got it ordered for one day delivery. I've got.... I've got no life do I?

Re:My review. (5, Funny)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796944)

Not only that, but you came on Slashdot to tell everyone about it.

Yeah, you're right, you don't have a life. Of course, I don't either, so I prolly shouldn't be talking... ;-)

Warcraft 3 Owns! (5, Informative)

Grieveq (589084) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796909)

Having played for a couple weeks now I must say I am pretty damned impressed with what Blizzard has done with the game. It's not revolutionary or anything like that, but the single player campaign is just pure fun. The storyline is great, the battles are great (Though mostly easy up until the last one), and the cinematics are beautiful. The new hero systems is pretty neat as well, it adds a completely new dimension to the genre. I wasn't impressed with the beta multiplayer on so I'm looking forward to getting a real copy and seeing how it performs. Now the wait begins for Worlds of Warcraft...

The storyline sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796961)

The storyline looks like if was written by a little child.

Re:The storyline sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797088)

I second this; the story is balls.

Re:Warcraft 3 Owns! (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797094)

I hope you mean new to blizzard RTS, the hero system has been around for ages in turn based games.


The Evil Plush Toy (513809) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796916)

Sure hope it'll run on my 533... the beta sure as hell didn't.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796938)

On my p3 700, it barely runs....


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796976)

> On my p3 700, it barely runs....

How much memory do you have? I was thinking about buying this for my celeron 433 w/ 256MB of RAM and a 32MB geforce 2mx. From the system requirements on blizzard's page, it sounded like that setup would be ok. If it barely runs on a 700mhz machine I might not buy it though :P

How is this different??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796917)

...and am looking forward to a nice long weekend of being a complete dork in front of my computer.

This is what I do every weekend.

Factual error (1)

asobala (563713) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796926)

Strategically, the undead are very strong. Somewhat akin to the protoss from Starcraft, the undead buildings can only be built on what is known as blight.

Surely they mean zerg? :=)

Re:Factual error (1)

Smokinn (448830) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797040)

The Undead resemble the protoss because the building are "warped" in, the builder can do something else in the meantime. But it also has to be on blight, like zerg.

Re:Factual error (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797046)

The Protoss buildings had to be in range an energy pylon, IIRC, but the Zerg would seem to be a better comparison if I read that right.

some (2, Insightful)

zdzichu (100333) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796927)

"The cut scenes are movie quality"

well, right. Blizzard always made best cutscenes. Those in W3 are compressed with DivX, to be more like real movies ;).

Warcraft is really good game. And the additional scenes after credits - simply rocks. Just to say - there are many short scences, one of them is Warcraft2 intro redone in War3 engine.

The game was cool, alhrough my mouse wheel didn't worked. Running under wine and winex was unsuccesfull - big minus.

Re:some (0)

lurwas (518856) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796993)

Not running under wine heh? di d=447

Didn't care for the Beta (4, Informative)

Deltan (217782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796931)

I was so not impressed with the Beta. Warcraft 2 came out in 1995. So basically they've had 7 years to come up with a third installment worthy of its predecessor. Instead they squander those 7 years, and at the last minute spit out what is basically Warcraft 2 with some new graphics and a couple new races. Most disappointing, there was huge potential for something so much more. GG Blizzard.

The all time best Real Time Strategy game is and continues to be Total Annihilation. Better luck next time Blizzard.

I also assume that this week we like Blizzard and next week we're back to hating them for wheeling the DMCA on Bnetd?

Re:Didn't care for the Beta (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796969)

Instead they squander those 7 years, and at the last minute spit out what is basically Warcraft 2 with some new graphics and a couple new races.

Umm, except they spent a great deal of that time working on Starcraft, a complicated game that is by some considerations the best RTS ever in terms of both depth of gameplay and complexity&game integration of plot and story...

Also, they during that seven years managed to completely develop, design, and release both Diablo and Diablo 2, two incredibly innovative networkable games that blended and elevated the RPG and Adventure genres.. and while not quite to the almost unheard-of levels of starcraft, these games both had very well-developed game universes & storylines.. and Diablo 2 was being worked on for some of its development concurrently with WC3, wasn't it?

Yeah, gee, that's just nothing. They just plain wasted 7 years, didn't they?? What were they doing for all that time?? Just sitting on their asses and getting drunk??
Umm, no. Blizzard could maybe have done more to rework the basic ideas and assumptions of the RTS with WC3, but it is definitely a significant step forward even if it is not revolutionary. They can experiment some later, for now they just seem to be focusing on making a new, exciting, different, interesting, fun game. I mean, come on. How many game companies can you think of that FOUR TIMES since 1995 have created games with as much stature and popularity as starcraft, broodwars, and diablo 1&2?

Re:Didn't care for the Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796970)

Right, 7 years? what kind of crack are you smoking?
Blizzard also released such great games as Diablo 2, and Starcraft, in that time.
Get off your high horse before your fall down and hurt yourself. Damn trolls.

Re:Didn't care for the Beta (-1)

c4thy (224077) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796981)

personally, i think ta sucks. i think the all time best rts is starcraft. i also think wc3 didnt live up to my expectations

Re:Didn't care for the Beta (2)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796985)

No the all time best Real Time Strategy game continues to be starcraft.

Re:Didn't care for the Beta (1)

bastard01 (532616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797008)

I think blizzard was probably a little busy to be thinking as much about warcraft 3 during the 7 year period that you describe, for example they made Diablo 2 [] ,StarCraft [] , and gave their treatment of expansion packs. I truely don't like most of the other RTS games because they don't really excite me, but for some reason the ones from blizzard are really good, I have actually played the beta of this game for a little while, and I thought what they had done to it so far was really cool. Granted I won't buy the retail version for a while, but that is more due to my monetary position than my political one. And I really doubt that everyone in the slashdot community has a greater agenda for the entire world, and will boycott X company because they are not supporting the open source community. I use Linux, but that is because I think the product is superior, if Windows was better, I would use it all of the time. Same with games, if the game is good, I will buy it, and then enjoy the fricking game!

Re:Didn't care for the Beta (4, Informative)

bentini (161979) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797024)

Diablo and Diablo 2 are made by Blizzard NORTH. this was formerly a separate company, and Blizzard only was going to distribute Diablo. When they realized, however, how kick-ass Diablo is, they bought up the company cause they knew they could take it places. So, that doesn't really count for those 7 years.

Wow! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796937)

I've always wanted to be fellated by a 6 year-old girl. Am I in the right place? Someone told me this was a pedo hangout.

Zoom out? (1)

Sir Frag-A-Lot (160197) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796942)

Does anyone know if it's possible to zoom the camera out?

I mean, i just get around 3 or 4 buildings on the screen at once.. it's just unbeareable. In the old days you could see much more of the map at once.

Confining the player with this sort of fixed camera view seems to be a silly move - there's still the fog-of-war (tm) to limit your vision.

Re:Zoom out? (1)

ddd2k (585046) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797019)

u can manipulate the camera anyway you like in the editor, but i think Blizz is smart enough to realize that panning and rotation around ruins the stragetic element of RTS games. its a good reason why many other 3D rts games failed.

Re:Zoom out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797079)

Mouse wheel is default zoom control - zooms in and out quite nicely.

Jesus, people (0, Offtopic)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796951)

And the slashbots are at it again. Doublethink at its finest.

First it was the MPAA. We hate the MPAA because they're taking away our fair use rights, destroying our freedom. But then we go nucking futs over Spider-Man, Lord of the Rings,

Re:Jesus, people (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797014)

Hello. I have a small piece of information that may help you understand things slightly, and may surprise you.


Yes! What you call "slashbots" is not just a single entity with a coherent over-mind. We are not the Zerg. The slashdot readership consists of a very wide variety of people with-- this is the kicker-- conflicting views. Yes, that is right. This may be what is confusing you. I realize it can be confusing to read slashdot and see different viewpoints expressed at different times. This is because-- see if you can understand this-- the different viewpoints are often being expressed by different people, and (this is the important part) sometimes different people do not have the same opinion on things.

There are, as you imply, individuals who hold conflicting opinions within themselves. Some of these are, as you would probably put it, "hypocrites", but it is also important to recognize that sometimes there are just issues with (just to pick a name out of thin air) "moral gray areas", which means it is difficult to come up with a definite side you are sympathising with, which means people may be indecisive, swap sides, or be upset with the MPAA while still buying the MPAA's products. (A collarary: a large number of people, myself included, do not actually believe 'voting with your dollars' helps anything. Another collarary: sometimes, people can be angry at the management of a company while respecting and liking and loving the output of the creative staff. You see, similar to Slashdot, corporations generally have more than one person working at them, and similar to slashdot not everyone at a given corporation has the same views.) However, i do not think there are many such people this time; i say this because as of now, this story post area seems to have more people upset over the fact slashdot is giving blizzard screen time than i see people who are interested in WC3. This seems to imply most of the people are just upset at blizzard, and not side-swapping.

And please do not be too hard on Michael. It is his job to place important news items on the front page. Even if he is upset with Blizzard, they are a prominent game company, and a new game from them is News.

Kohan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796956)

Kohan [] ( is the best RTS ever; I doubt something like Warcraft 3 could ever compete. It's a shame that TransGaming picked up the rights to make a few modifications to the code with Visual C++, modify wine a little, and then call it a "Linux port." 1.3.1 forever, I guess.

Warcraft III storyline sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796971)

The storyline is horrible. It feels like if a little child wrote it. I'm not kidding when I say the storyline is very very bad.

Re:Warcraft III storyline sucks! (1)

ddd2k (585046) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797031)

yup, i agree, SC storyline was much better. this totally lacked character development. the only character that i thought had a future was Arthas, but they seemed to drown him out in the middle of campaigns.

Gamespot Review (1)

Galahad2 (517736) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796984)

There's also an excellent "first impressions" at Gamespot [] .

Jesus, people. (-1, Offtopic)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796986)

And the Slashdot editors, kings of doublethink, are at it once again.

First it was the MPAA, stealing your rights to fair use [] . That was all forgotten when you watched Spider-Man [] , Lord of the Rings [] , Star Wars [] , and god knows how many other movies.

Just a week ago, you praised Neverwinter Nights for going Gold [] and celebrated its launch, despite clauses in its EULA [] that say "Community created modules belong to Bioware."

Now, it's praise of Blizzard software for their wonderful Warcraft III, when 5 months ago you were up in arms about bnetd [] being shut down.

Listen up, people. It's not that hard to live without these things. If a company does bad things, you stop using that company. My cable provider has been giving me shitty quality picture and no digital channels for the past week. So, I cancelled my service and am going with a satellite provider. In the same way, I have not watched a movie, bought a CD, or played a video game from a corrupt company in more than a year. It wasn't that hard. You find other things to do with your time. In my case, it was model building, which helps calm me (strangely enough).

It sickens me to watch people waver in their beliefs. If something angers you, as many of these things seem to, then you should take action. I can't count how many "petitions" there have been to stop the MPAA/RIAA/video game industry from corrupt practices, but at the end of the day, you still reinforce them with your dollars.

Don't buy Warcraft III. Don't go see movies. Don't buy CDs. Do something else with your time and money. Oh, and don't pirate the games/music/movies, either; it just gives them more ammo to trounce our fair use rights.

Re:Jesus, people. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797093)

Repeat after me: THIS.IS.SLASHDOT.

This is ALWAYS the way Slashdot has been. The majority of the people here are more than happy to jump up on a soapbox and rant until they've reached their "+5 demagogue" rating, but at the end of the day not one of them will ever make a STAND for anything at all.

Fun? Yes. Blizzard's best? Far from it. (5, Interesting)

c-town (571657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796987)

The evidence is in the players. All the rts hardcore players have played in the beta and have quit. Why? Cause the game lacks a lot of depth due to a lot of built in "features". Like for instance, creeps. The idea of AI controlled units around the map for you to attack and guard things such as mines and shops might sound good. However, creeps has an adverse side affect. It gives experience to your heros and gives you gold (Heros are another new concept, which is a big buff unit that can gain experience, level and have very powerful abilities and spells) . How is that an adverse side affect you ask? Well, it turns out, early on in the game, you *HAVE* to go creep hunting to give your hero that experience edge. Heros have the ability to turn the tides of the battle and a level 1 hero is much weaker than a level 3 hero. Right now, I rarely engage combat with the opponent until my hero is at least level 3. After creep hunting for a couple hundred games, it gets mundane and boring. Some people brush this off as "another resource" to get. However, this resource takes the first 10 min of the game. Before in previous RTS games, the focus of resource gathering was maybe the first 1-2 min of the game. Another big flaw many players see is upkeep. Upkeep is another new concept by Blizzard which cuts down the amount of gold a peon will bring out of the mine. At 30 units, you enter low upkeep which reduces gold to 7 and at 70 units, you enter high upkeep which reduces gold to 4. Blizzard implemented this because they didnt want 200 zerglings running around on the map. However, many players despise this limit saying low upkeep is annoying and they never really enter into high upkeep, which defeats the purpose. This also affects expanding because the extra peons cuts into your upkeep. Oh, that reminds me, 5 peons *MAX* per mine. These are two of the most controversial ideas that Blizzard has brought in. There are others as well. Many players complain that these limitations limits the depth of the game. IMHO, the game is fun and interesting. The 3D is done pretty well. However, it's not a Starcraft. Starcraft has depth and it's a very strategic game. It captivates players even today (I think it's been out for 4 years?). Will I buy War3? Yes. Will I be playing it after 6-12 months? Prolly not.

Re:Fun? Yes. Blizzard's best? Far from it. (2)

TheOnlyCoolTim (264997) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797053)

If you want to play Starcraft, Blizzard has announced no plans to discontinue support for it on You should be able to continue playing it indefinitely.


Re:Fun? Yes. Blizzard's best? Far from it. (2, Insightful)

MoTec (23112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797055)

The reason I like the 5 peon per mine limit is that it forces everyone to expand early so they can get in more cash flow. War3 isn't the first with this. Empire Earth did the same thing and to me it just seems natural now. You have to explore in a RTS anyway... Why not do it with your hero and a few troops and open the way for a 2nd and 3rd base at the same time?

I don't know... Maybe my brain has been warped by the hundreds and hundreds of hours I've played War2, C&C, AOE, EE and other games. I just think they are getting better.

Re:Fun? Yes. Blizzard's best? Far from it. (2, Informative)

c-town (571657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797068)

But the game penzlizes you for expanding through upkeep. Everytime you expand, it's another 5 towards your upkeep.

Go download it off one of the binary newsgroups... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3796990)

I already downloaded off one of the many binary game groups. Hint: it was a "clonecd" binary game. HEHE

MOD parent up to +5 informative!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797003)

mod that bitch up! I hate blizzard for Bnet crap they pulled, so i just downloaded the game for free off my ISPs USENET server in the clonecd group. Thanks to the AC above!!!!!!!

Can We Get Another Game Please? (3, Insightful)

HomerJ (11142) | more than 12 years ago | (#3796991)

I'm going to put this game in the same catagory as Doom 3, and say that this is what's wrong with the American game industry.

There is too much convergant thinking in PC games anymore. War Craft 3, and Doom 3 being prime examples. Neither game sets off to be a good game in their own right. They want to be the perfect example of what a game in their genre would be. Neither Id nor Blizzard look at a game anymore and go "what would be good for this game?" they go "what would be good for a RTS or FPS?" Instead of trying to give the player a totally new experience, and make it something worth my time to play, I just get new polish on the same games that have been released for years. Most of the "improvements" in WC3 weren't because it would make it a better experience in the world of Warcraft, it's what would make it a more "perfect" RTS. The same can be said for Doom 3, which is going toward what a "perfect" FPS should be. It seems like the companies just seem to say "let's make a RTS, do what would be a perfect RTS, then just theme it with whatever franchise we should have a sequel to. Id being the same way, just so happens the Doom was the next franchise to get an update to approach that "perfect" FPS.

Is it really that hard anymore to actually try to create a game, and then design an interface to the game that would be best fitted to the experience you wanted to gamer to have? Show me something new before I put down $60 for a game. Or has the US gaming market have become so braindead that if a game doesn't fit perfectly into a given genre, it's "too hard and confusing". Excuse me if I don't want the same game 50 times, and have to have my hand held though a game. Give me something new, and I'll go put $60 to get a copy.

Re:Can We Get Another Game Please? (1)

c-town (571657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797044)

Doom 3 won 3 awards [] at E3 this year. Anyone who saw the demo dropped their jaws in awe. ID software does not make bad games (some would debate quake 2 though) and Blizzard has a VERY good track record.

Most of the "improvements" in WC3 weren't because it would make it a better experience in the world of Warcraft, it's what would make it a more "perfect" RTS.

Now why the hell would Warcraft 3 make for a better experience in World of Warcraft? So you're saying you want single player rpg game before the mmorpg comes out? How are either of those creating a better experience for the RTS player? If you're thinking of better experience in single experience, you've come to the wrong genre. Majority of RTS customers play online against other human opponents. That's their experience. Blizzard is interested in creating a better experience for the online gamers. People will not move from Starcraft to Warcraft 3 if Warcraft 3 did not provide a better experience.

Nitpick (1, Offtopic)

Nerds (126684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797004)

The IGN article (didn't even look at the others) is a preview, not a review. Anyway, I'm too busy playing a much better game [] .

I played 2000 odd games (2, Insightful)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797006)

Beat single player in 2 days >:) It plays like a movie... If you had a good movie that lasted 48 hours, it'd be praised :)

Thing is it lasts multiplayer too, bad ass game... Nothing new, just more of the same, refined better :)

I write occasional articles in under the nick crazy jim.

One of the best parts of battlenet games is that you meet alot of friends on it. I have a clan, so people chill in our channel, and talk about shit and hang. Its a whole lot of fun and even more so if you get involved with the communities.

The game plays like a new game of chess, there is no way of knowing what will win 100%, and if you know what wins 100%, then we evolve the game by letting Blizzard know about it.

Blizzard is a great company that respects its players highly. I submitted a ton of bug reports in the beta, and got a free copy of the game because I finished in the top 16 :) Blizzard listens to player suggestions, and changes based on them. I know like several dozen changes in the beta happened on stuff I was suggesting. Might not have been direct, but I felt like I was getting some respect in it.

I don't know about Vivendi, but I do know all Blizzard's titles have quality behind them. If you don't know what to buy in the store, a Blizzard title isn't gonna suck.

You need friends? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797030)

If you need to play an online game to meet new friends, that's pathetic.

This Game Has Been Avail For Three Weeks (5, Informative)

puppetman (131489) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797013)

if you know where to look. I've uninstalled it, and tossed the disk. Reasons are,

1) It won't play smoothly on a P3 500 laptop (with 384 meg of RAM and an ATI Rage Mobility). Blizzard usually tries to get the low-end of the market. Not any longer

2) In the past, Blizzards games were evolutionary (but not revolutionary). This one is not even that. It's just another Real Time Strategy game, but with heros. Warlords Battlecry 2 [] did the same thing, and I bet there are others.

3) This thing is selling for $90 Canadian (about $60 US) even in the "no one beats our prices" electonics stores.

Screw it. If this game had come out 5 years ago, maybe. But Starcraft is better, and so is Age of Empires 2.

Have Your Cake and Eat it too. (5, Interesting)

Fapestniegd (34586) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797015)

These posts (posts involving lawsuits against hackers) are always riddled with persons who want you to boycott these products, be they games, CDs or Movies. Personally I like games, CDs and Movies. However I don't like the tactics being employed by The RIAA, MPAA, or Vivendi any more than the next slashdotter. What I propose is not a boycott, but to give an equal or greater amount to the EFF Whenever you purchase one of these items. That way Every dollar you contribute to Evil is equally matched by one for Good. So At least your not contributing to the net evil.

Just my $.02

Slashdot Gripes 1.01 (-1)

pwpbot (588025) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797021)

posters that spell Microsoft with a or spell it MicroCrap or something posters that glorify a feature that Linux has that BSD or Solaris as had for years and list this reason as the most important reason to switch over posters that say Slackware is better because you have to compile all of the applications for yourself Rob Maldas arrogance frequent spelling and grammar mistakes Im not talking something really obscure or a minor technicallity in English either Im talking substituting loose for lose or theyretheirthere Really easily corrected mistakes Any halfway decent fifth grader could pick up on these errors people that post a mirror to a site that has been Slashdotted which normally would be nice but is hosted on a cable modem that is soon Slashdotted page widening random quashing of posts that dont agree with the Slashdot mindset really annoying sigs unhumorous jokes that have to be explained to the audience If your joke has to be explained its not funny BOYCOTT RIAA and I cant wait to see Episode II all in the same day Rob Maldas childish obsession with legos the Slashdot crew doesnt have any other jobs other than Slashdot yet it seems it was better run when Rob was running it on a Multia in college in his spare time the page limit with the subscription The expulsion of Signal 11 ranting paranoid articles whenever there APPEARS to be a GPL violation with no verification whatsoever Just a bunch of ranting posts about freedom for that matter no verification of articles at all I wish I could count the number of times Slashdots been scammed on two hands but its been so many April Fools articles on Slashdot THESE ARENT FUNNY I wasnt going to explain but whatever Okay lets say you run a website On April Fools you post say ONE or TWO fake pieces of news along with the real news This way some people are fooled By posting ALL fake news and jokes no one falls for the prank no one buys Lokis games but there is a big mystery when they go out of business no NNTP frontend to Slashdot direct links to bugzilla continuing tightening of the troll filters to the point where even normal posts are rejected by some stupid criteria self righteous posters who want everything under the sun to be Open Source even though they have never written a line of code in their life whenever an article on a new scripting language is posted all of the C users chime in but its not as fast as C shortly after all the assembly users chime in assembly is the fastest predictably right after that someone says why dont we all just use machine code anecdotes on your grandmother using Linux to check her email and whatnot this ALONE proves that Linux is better than Windows for ALL uses cultlike devotion to Linux reserve your fanaticism for a church not a kernel someone is not less of a person if they dont use Unix posters who think that BeOS is having a bad moment and will surely rise to defeat all other operating systems posters who think Palm will open the source to BeOS for no reason at all people who think that Amiga isnt dead The new virtual Amiga doesnt count people who think that OS2 isnt dead Ecomstation doesnt count people who bemoan the loss of OS2 while thinking it was a big conspiracy completely IGNORING the fact that IBM did not advertise we all KNOW OS2 was technically superior to Windows at the time You dont have to bedazzle us with tales of running all the latest Windows and DOS applications aside native OS2 apps Weve heard it all before We know it WAS better people who think that this is the last year ever well ever have to hire C programmers because as we all know Java is going to kill it off this is a good one Completely expositionary articles such as Surprised by Weath in which ESR BRAGGED about how rich he was and how he wasnt going to give us any money NO SIR bitchslapping benchmarks that pit say Linux lastest revision against FreeBSD 30 or something old and useless how banner ads for the site only link to other OSDN sites any links to nytimescom when someone writes a comment with H to signify deletions the moderation rtbl meta moderation people that spell Red Hat as RedCrap

War III is not a strategy, it's a clickfest (5, Insightful)

EvilBastard (77954) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797033)

All they did (showing some of that wonderful Blizzard Creativity) was take the main character from Diablo, and put it in the middle of Warcraft. The trouble is, the heros are so essential to the game, and so hideously overpowered the rest of the characters are reduced to sideshows.

Warcraft III is designed to be a quick and dirty game where the fights are over in 30 minutes or less. Gone is any hope of a epic back-and-forth fight, it's a lets get the game finished as quick as possible.

The first person to lose their hero has lost the game in 90% of the cases, because their hero is out of the game for 2 minutes, while the other hero is running around levelling up and getting more items.

In order to get the game over as quick as possible, the game is exaggerated - if you lose, you come into the next fight at a disadvantage. If you win, you are more likely to win the next time, because the game is adjusting the hero's strengths. Add to that the Upkeep rules and the game is saying "You will play me this way or not at all - I will not let you deviate from the designers vision"

Strategy games should not do this - It's like playing a game of chess where when you capture the oponents pieces you get to put them on your side. Fun ? Maybe once or twice for the low-attention span crowd, but it's not strategy.

Personally, I'd look to a company that doesn't have a history of screwing over the open source community, or trying to steal your personal details from your system registry - say Creative Assembly, who will be releasing the latest Total War game in the near future - Medieval Total War [] which is more a computerised table top wargame then anything else.

Re:War III is not a strategy, it's a clickfest (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797050)

You've never played the game I take it? That you you loose alot. Using the hero In multiplayer is completely un-neccasary.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3797038)

In a recent post on Slashdot, a Jew said:
No, its just that Jews work extremly hard. So hard that they actually have a stereotype-that they're extemely smart, work very hard, and make a lot of money. And it's actually true, in most cases.
Read that again: "Jews.. they're extremely smart". A Jew who believes that Jewish people in general are superior. A racist Jew.

Still not convinced? When a "white supremacist" says a white man is superior, how is he different from a Jew saying Jews are superior? Consider if the passage above had been written as follows:

No, its just that White men work extremly hard. So hard that they actually have a stereotype-that they're extemely smart, work very hard, and make a lot of money. And it's actually true, in most cases.
What's the difference? Sounds uglier now, does it? It's exactly the same claim, about a different race.

Let's throw political correctness aside, and put our cards on the table. Only then will the problems of the world be solved.

haha (0, Flamebait)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797071)

don't buy the game.. it seriously, utterly, sucks. played it, beat it in a day, threw away the cd. hopefully starcraft 2 will be worth buying unlike this one.

And we care because... (3, Interesting)

Gravaton (413066) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797086)

LOL seeing as it still completely, applies, I'm simply going to repost (with some edits and additions) an earlier post of mine concerning WarCraft 3.

It seems to me that spending $65 on the "WarCraft 2 Graphics Upgrade Pack" would be like buying an expensive gift for a way-too-spolied child. Let's think about this for a minute. A company offers a product, gives us a date for it, lists a ton of features. Sounds like a good deal. Until they start pushing the date back. Still, no big deal. Then they start cutting mad. Now if this was any other company, we'd all be panning their product and despising him, but for some reason everyone LOVES Blizzard for it

Countless people have called games like WC3 and SC some of the "greatest games ever". I am standing up right here and preparing to argue it soundly. This is not a troll, it's a statement of belief. Warcraft 2 was a great game; it was innovative for its time and introduced a brand new game setting. Since that point, Starcraft, Diablo 2, and WarCraft 3 (based on my experiances with the beta) have been simply TERRIBLE games. Buggy, unbalanced, uninteresting, lacking strategic or tactical depth (in the cases of StarCraft and WC3), using cheap workarounds to fix fundimental game flaws (i.e. Hey, if we let them only select a limited # of units at once, noone can rush right? right?), and always ALWAYS falling far short of the grand feature-scapes originally planned for them. Why would I want to play StarCraft or WarCraft 3 when I could play larger, richer games with far more depth (ohh...say...Total Annihilation comes to mind).

Now, to be fair, these comments relate to WarCraft 3 only through my experiance with the beta version. I honestly do not know if the game has changed since then, and if it has my opinions might change as well. But here is what I saw. The game was very pretty, it looks quite nice. However, the game mechanic hasn't changed or evolved at all since WC2. Same extremely limited unit selection, same "rock-paper-scissors" unit balance that makes "strategy" equal to "Just build some of each and run at each other". The "Hero" units were unimpressive and seemed to only be more powerful normal units that could somehow use Town Portal. The "Unaligned NPCs" were just weak units you killed to get at some resources. Games were fast and pointless, the races were unbalanced at that point, there was no strategy at all as you could never have enough units to enact a given strategy.

Maybe TA has spoiled me. I'm used to massive 2000-unit battles where you actually USE all 9 unit hotkeys, feint and probe, battle across a massive map. Strategy and production were vital tools as you pushed forward to conquer territory. Admittedly, maybe such things aren't everyone's cup of tea. But I don't understand how the RTS genre has remained the exact same game since the original C+C (which, I do know, wasn't even the first RTS). Many people have tried to innovate somewhat, but where's the evolution? Shouldn't we demand MORE instead of eating up what's only vaguely satisfactory?? To put it very plainly, Blizzard's RTS games are no more interesting or complex then playing War or Spit. Sure, those games can be fun sometimes too, but a deck of cards is a lot less then $65, and so is the number of broken promises and lowered expectations.

My impressions (5, Interesting)

bonch (38532) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797091)

Keep in mind, this is all just opinion. :)

As a huge fan of the first two games (especially the first one), I'm somewhat disappointed with this one. It actually kind of bores me. At its core, WarCraft 3 seems like just a mixture of StarCraft and Diablo, like they just decided, "Hey, we'll mix our two biggest money-makers to make a mutant third one." StarCraft kept my interest for a while, but Diablo absolutely bores me. And now I'm running around in War3 doing little pointless sidequests and investigating towns and building experience levels and gaining inventory items...whatever happened to the big, massive battles? The game is party-based now!

Maybe it'll grow on me, who knows. I never really liked the storyline to begin with once I heard it, but playing the single-player campaigns, I'm even more turned off. A large amount of characters just talking, not very many cinematics (as in, stuff not done in the engine itself), and some downright cheesy stuff (for instance, the meeting with Jaina made me roll my eyes...and peasants running up to me, "My lord, legend tells of a *whatever pointless thing you should get that your character will say "Hmm, that could prove useful" about*). I feel like I'm just running around exploring more often than I'm planning attacks or doing any other war strategy. As in WARcraft.

Worst of all, the graphics retained their cartoonish look of War2. I loved War2 and tolerated the comic book look as just the theme of that particular installment, but the goofy humor and looks still exist in War3, and I'm kind of tired of it. Especially with the Orcs, who used to seem so badass and evil in the first game.

I miss the building tension of seeing the first few troops of a huge army slowly marching toward your base. Where's Bill Roper's "Yes, my lord" gone to? What about a recognizable war theme instead of the more ambient soundtrack of this game? Stuff like that. Maybe I'm stuck in the past, but it seems like Blizzard was concentrating so much on changing the gameplay and throwing so much stuff into it to make it different (heroes, hiring troops from the huts, running little sidequests, and more) that I miss the old classic simplicity of just two sides building bases and sending troops after each other to win instead of following some story about how the Orcs just happened to have revived themselves as a culture and, oh, by the way, some firey things are suddenly coming down from the sky to kill everyone and the dead are rising and the Night Elves are coming out of the trees. I guess I was hoping for just one last, huge, epic battle of Orcs and Humans, with all the neat little gameplay enhancements but without all the pointless features and unnecessary races to bog it all down. Though I'm sure a bunch of you disagree with me already. :)

At least there's Red Alert 2. :) And I'll definitely want to see how they do StarCraft 2; I'm hearing rumors of another race that is a mix of Protoss and Zerg...

I'll go ahead and give War3 another try, promise!

Too bad... (2)

--daz-- (139799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797096)

Too bad Blizzard can't come up with a killer Battle.Net =(

Still can't connect half the time, and when I am connected, all the servers seemed to be desynced and I can't ever see my friends. We can't get a game going. When bnetd was around at least we could play on our private server. And LAN games don't seem to work well when you're 1500 miles apart.

I don't get it (1, Flamebait)

geek (5680) | more than 12 years ago | (#3797101)

Whats the attraction to blizzard?

I've had nothing but buggy games and crappy internet service from them. I played Diablo2 a lot (worlds all time most unbalanced game) and I actually counted the number of bnet outages in one month (24 out of 30 days). Now the one side says since it's a free service I shouldn't expect better, but I say if they want me to spend my hard earned money on their product then they need to make a better impression. Don't even get me started on the bugs in their games.

I could care less about then suing the bnetd folks, that's just business as usual in America, however distributing a shoddy game(s) and tauting lousy service not to mention the complete lack of customer service is in my opinion not acceptable.

I could write a book about the lousy communities their games create, with people stealing other peopls accounts, kids running around in games telling everyone to fuck off for no particular reason. The rampant pk'ing that goes on. The game hacks that blizzard never does anything about, the cheats etc.....

Crap company, crap products bloated reputation. I can always tell when a game is gonna suck when the company promoting it uses CG animation trailers instead of in game footage.
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