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All Sourceforge.net Being Blocked by SmartFilter

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the where-smart-filter dept.

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An unnamed reader writes: "I just noticed that all sites. '*.sourceforge.net' are being blocked by all corporations using SmartFilter including mine. SmartFilter lists all of them as 'MP3' sites. Below is the error I get. How come they do not block Microsoft? I can download an MP3 player from there, too (Media Player does play MP3s)." Here's the error: "Access is restricted to the site (http://www.sourceforge.net/) you requested. Per the firm's Information Security & Privacy Policy, all Internet browsing is monitored and logged. Please contact the Information Security Center at ext 7114 for more information. SmartFilter Control List category MP3 Sites is restricted. " The aptly named SmartFilterWhere tool shows which sites are painted over by SmartFilter's broad brush; in this case, software development site (and Slashdot sister site) SourceForge is blocked by the latest SmartFilter versions -- 3.0, 3.0.1 and 3.1 -- but not version 2. You might also be interested in The Censorware Project's analysis of the efficacy of SmartFilter as applied to Utah schools and libraries, or Peacefire's explanation of how and how well SmartFilter works.

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F1RST P0ST FAGETS (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802707)

This FP honored to News for turds.

Re:F1RST P0ST FAGETS (-1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802713)

A fine FP, sir. Truly a Slashdot and CLIT icon. I hope you don't go the way of poor Alan Thicke tho, as icons tend to do around here.

A Holy Solution (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802813)

Tattooing "Jesus is watching" on to young boys dicks will help them to stop masturbating. It also reminds older Christian men to keep boy penis out of
their mouth.

Re:F1RST P0ST FAGETS (-1, Offtopic)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802810)

I love you guys.

Faget? Is that like a Baggett? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802832)

Mmmm. . .tasty french bread, in small, easy to eat sizes.

Remember: trolls are like AIDS within a brothel.

This first post is dedicated (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802708)

to whoever is responsible for the crap flooding. I'm proud of you son.

Re:This first post is dedicated (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802855)

Thank you, sir! I dedicate my crapflood to all the fine trolls we have here on Slashdot!

hi (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802720)

#trolls doesn't need this extra advertising, we are already popular enough as it is!

just ask your manager.. (-1, Troll)

T.Monk (585143) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802723)

any good IT manager knows that open source is evil, and has something to do with pornography, and thus should be banned..

Re:just ask your manager.. (1)

Kwelstr (114389) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802815)

har har har. Anyway, he probably can avoid the filter by using the ip numbers to connect.
http://216.136.171.196/

Top 10 reasons to upgrade to Vis. Studio (-1)

pwpbot (588025) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802724)

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Control CreationVisual Basic NET provides unprecedented flexibility in building customized user controls Developers can easily extend preexisting user controls and Windows Forms controls as well as design their own controls that generate custom user interfacesNumber 7Complete Direct Access to the PlatformVisual Basic NET provides complete direct access to the Microsoft NET Framework enabling Visual Basic developers to quickly access the registry event log performance counters and file system Visual Basic NET also eliminates the need for declares statements for access to the operating system In addition the new Windows service project template enables rapid application development of real Microsoft Windows NT ServicesNumber 8Integrated Reporting with Crystal ReportsUpgrading to Visual Studio NET Professional Edition or later provides Visual Basic developers with the power of Crystal Reports directly within the IDE Crystal Reports delivers the most productive integrated and RAD experience for creating highly graphical and interactive relational data reports These reports can be generated for the entire array of Visual Basic NET application types including Windows Web and mobile applicationsNumber 9Easy Webbased Application DevelopmentVisual Basic NET delivers Visual Basic for the Web Using new Web Forms you can easily build true thinclient Webbased applications that intelligently render on any browser and on any platform Web Forms deliver the RAD programming experience of Microsoft Visual Basic 60 forms with the full power of Visual Basic NET rather than limited scripting capacity The new HTML designer delivers IntelliSense statement completion for HTML tags and the separation of user interface UI and code enable more efficient teambased developmentNumber 10Existing Investments Carry ForwardVisual Basic NET enables developers to leverage their existing investments in code and skills Windows Forms provides a robust container for Microsoft ActiveX controls Component Object Model COM Interoperability provides bidirectional communication between existing Visual Basic applications and those written with Visual Basic NET The upgrade wizard enables developers to seamlessly migrate up to 95 percent of existing code to Visual Basic NETPut these top 10 features to work in the applications you are building today with Visual Studio NET and Visual Basic NET

Wow this is crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802727)

Couldn't Sourceforge sue for false-misrepresentation or libel? If you can, sue their frickin pants off.

Re:Wow this is crazy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802752)

With what money? Not much business in giving away software for free these days.

Re:Wow this is crazy (2, Insightful)

Jondor (55589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802771)

Maybe, but wasn't sourceforge making money by selling the advanced version to companies?
Rather bad when your customer can't reach the demo..;)

Re:Wow this is crazy (4, Insightful)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802762)

No, not at all. IT's a private company, and they aren't accusing them of anything illegal. I could make software and block every site with the word "the" in the URL. Or block all sites and give the reason as "This site has content which I want to block."

I recommend not jumping to sue every chance you get, there are too many lawsuits anyways.

The real solution is, of course, for companies to drop their contracts and un-installing the software.

Re:Wow this is crazy (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802799)

SmartFilter is accusing Sourceforge of doing something (trading MP3s) that Sourceforge is not doing. It doesn't matter whether trading MP3s is legal or not. SmartFilter is publishing false statements about Sourceforge in such a way as to damage Sourceforge's business interests. That is libel. Case closed.

Re:Wow this is crazy (1)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802817)

Ok, if you want to get technical:
To be libel, it has to meet certain conditions. First you have to know you are lying and it has to do actual damage. So, you etll me how much money this is costing source forge?

libel (5, Informative)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802891)

To be libel you must:
  • Make false statements of fact (or opinions that imply false statements of fact).
  • Make those statements with negligence, recklessness, or with malice as to the truthfulness of the statements. Negligence does not apply to public figures.
  • The statements must be published to a 3rd party.
  • There must be damages. Damages are implied if criminal acts are stated.
I have detailed the requirements for libel (under Mass. law) in a motion for summary judgment. [sorehands.com]

Filtering solutions generally stink (2, Insightful)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802728)


I know, what else can corporations do, other than hire baby sitters for all the employees with net access.

But, in most cases, they are much more trouble than they are worth. Nothing lowers morale like big brother controlling where you go.

Sometimes the most useful sites are blocked. I remember working at a school district, I got NOTHING but complaints/questions about N2H2 [n2h2.com] , the filtering solution we were using.

Re:Filtering solutions generally stink (3, Insightful)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802768)

Babysitters? Why?

1) Make sure people are doing their jobs. You can tell this by looking at whether or not they produce what is required in the time they have to produce it.
2) You can make sure restrictions on computers are such that they can't install software and/or do what you don't want them to.
3) You can look over logs once in a while to find problem people.

Gasp! (2, Informative)

Dalcius (587481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802820)

1) Make sure people are doing their jobs. You can tell this by looking at whether or not they produce what is required in the time they have to produce it.

Unfortunately, it *seems* all too common to *me* that supervisors don't know jack about the people working under them. The novel idea of making a programmer a manager of the programming department seems to escape some people.

*sigh*

Note my sig...

Re:Filtering solutions generally stink (2, Insightful)

i_am_pi (570652) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802773)

I agree. BESS is so intrusive. At least we don't have the version that advertises itself and some other scum company at the bottom of every page any more!

Also that's why I've set up a CGI-proxy [jmarshall.com]
Pi

REQUEST REMOVAL!! (5, Informative)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802829)

Go to the smartfilterwhere [securecomputing.com] filter checker site and request that they remove it through the automated form:

1. Go to the URL and enter "http://www.sourceforge.net" into the 'URL 1' field. Hit 'check URL'

2. The next page should say "http://www.sourceforge.net MP3" if it is still listed.

3. On the dropbox on the right, select 'remove from list' and hit 'send request'

Them bosses need all the help they can get (2)

tiltowait (306189) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802904)

Help a commercial consorware company do business? I think not.

simple instructions (1)

edgarde (22267) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802923)

URL 1: sourceforge.net
URL 2: microsoft.com

click [Check URLs]

URL ___________ current category __ Suggest a Change

sourceforge.net MP3 ............... Remove from list
microsoft.com . NOT LISTED ........ Criminal skills

click [Send Request]

Kills two birds with one stone.

Re:REQUEST REMOVAL!! (0, Offtopic)

Peyna (14792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802926)

I like your .sig There are a lot of people who don't quite understand what "America" is. It's actually considered one continent by most geologists (correct me if I am wrong, but I clearly remember it being pretty much one giant plate).

The problem lies in that the United States of America was named after the fact that a bunch of colonies united and made a big country that happened to be in America. Many other countries are named after the people that live there. (Francs lived in France, Mongols in Mongolia, etc.) Since the US is comprised of so many different nationalities and very few people that live here have roots more than few generations deep or are scattered throughout most of Europe, it's hard to have an indentifiable name like that.

People can't accept that their country doesn't have a neat name like France because there aren't peoples to name it after. (American Indians don't really work either, they weren't the first ones here, and they aren't Indians either. Although they are probably related to them.)

This is so wildly off topic I'm posting it at 1, I would post at 0 if I could, but I don't wish to remain anonymous.

Re:REQUEST REMOVAL!! (2)

leastsquares (39359) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802930)

Doh! Crappy server...

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webadmin@securecomputing.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Re:Filtering solutions generally stink (5, Insightful)

Grax (529699) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802840)

I say we use the filters to throw alerts but not block anything. Log the alerts and check them out. If someone seems to have a problem then deal with them personally.

Re:Filtering solutions generally stink (5, Funny)

Squareball (523165) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802910)

I like these filtering products.. they are GREAT for telling you WHERE all of the good stuff is.. I love looking through the sites that they block.. they are always the best sites.. FREE pr0n ;) WaReZ, they got it all!

Watch out.... that EVIL....OPEN SOURCE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802748)

The evil open source will get you! Everybody celebrate because we've scared Microsoft!

No OSS at work (1)

arbustus (29148) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802751)

My guess would be that even though it's listed under the MP3 category, it's really being blocked to keep people from working on their Open Source projects while at work. "The Man" most likely doesn't want to pay for your OSS work.

Re:No OSS at work (1)

ekephart (256467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802844)

Not only this let's assume you have some stroke of genius and throw together something really amazing then submit it using your company's computer. This block may also save your company the legal trouble of suing for the rights to your work since you in fact created it at work on their machine. Granted now you may not get to have a stroke of genius, but you can sleep sound at night knowing that you have been stifled for the greater good.

Depends on the work... (2)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802880)

Just this morning I downloaded some CVS stuff there, for free, as we needed some version control software in a hurry (do not ask why). The work others have done saved my employer money and loads of my time.

Some IT security officers / Internet admins do have a clue. Then again, we generally do not need a diversion, like working on an OOS project in company hours, as our work is mostly fun.

Re:No OSS at work (2)

alienmole (15522) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802911)

Except that many companies use open source software in their internal development.

of course they are (4, Funny)

RealisticWeb.com (557454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802755)

<sarcasim> Haven't we all learned by now that free software is violation of intelectual proparty rights of proprietary companies? SF.net produces free software that will (if left un-checked) undermine the american economy, raise consumer prices for software and eliminate thousands of jobs. Not to mention helping the spread of terrorisim and threteing national security. They should be shut down and censored at all costs. </sarcasim>

Re:of course they are (0)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802793)

Didn't you know OSS kills brain cells?! It's 'sarcasm'

Re:of course they are (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802828)

Ouch!

Sarcasim = sarcasm
intelectual = intellectual
proparty = property
american = American
terrorisim = terrorism
threteing = threatening

Spelling isn't everything - but it's not nothing, either. As an employer, I would not hire you - being unable to spell is sometimes indicative of other inabilities, and in any case, makes you unsuitable as an emplyee if you need to communicate, at least outside the company. If you are dyslexic: get a spell checker and use it before posting :)

I'd recommend some extra

Suggest a change (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802757)

Yeah they should change to rating to "criminal
skills", are those free software programmers
criminals ?

Response by horny teens (5, Funny)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802761)

Dude, check it out! I just heard that this place called Sourceforge is like, totally blocked by our school's filters!

Man, we got to check this out. It must have some sweet porn or soemthing on it.

Yeah, we got to get there. All right, bypassing filtering software...oh, yeah. Here it is! Dude, we're in! Sweet porn, here we come!

Click that one - Jboss! Must be a dominatrix or something.

WTF - there's no porn here! It...it's just geek code stuff.

The filter tricked us. Dude, those filter guys are so sneaky.

Next thing you know, they'll be trying to get us to study or something.

Re:Response by horny teens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802897)

well, maybe when they block freshmeat.net

It's only a matter of time... (1)

reverius (471142) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802763)


... before Slashdot is blocked at work too!

Call me paranoid, but I think when something as drastic as blocking Sourceforge happens, Slashdot is in danger as well! I would expect Sourceforge to be the last of all the OSDN sites blocked - it's not opinionated (*cough*), and provides hosting for tons of open source software projects.

Sad, sad day for the internet.

Slashdot is in there (2)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802905)

But it's properly listed as "Entertainment, General News" - So it's been fairly categorized.

It would suck to work at a place that actually turned on that category.

Kind way of asking them to be unblocked... (3, Informative)

sporty (27564) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802765)

Hit their search page,

http://www.securecomputing.com/cgi-bin/filter_wh er eV301.cgi

and search for sourceforge.net. In the results, you can suggest a recomended they be removed from the list.

Re:Kind way of asking them to be unblocked... (1)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802825)

We all know that's not easy enough, so click here, [securecomputing.com] enter sourceforge.net and pick Remove From List from their choices.

Re:Kind way of asking them to be unblocked... (1)

Dalcius (587481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802874)

Man, that page is loading sloooooww....

*grin* =D

Re:Kind way of asking them to be unblocked... (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802846)

Or just click here [securecomputing.com] . Thanks for the link. Just submitted my sourceforge.net project page.

Hmm... Why should sourceforge sue? They have maligned me via brewnix.sourceforge.net. I may have a case.

So? (0)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802770)

Skip it and use COTSE's web anonymizer!

Not only will you get past that pesky filter, but you'll be anonymously surfing the web ala SSL!

www.cotse.com

(Yes, it is a pay service, but someone has to keep up the IRC server...)

2600.com (5, Informative)

Copperhead (187748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802772)

SmartFilter used to list 2600 [2600.com] as "criminal skills". Now, they list is as a political/religious site.

Go here [securecomputing.com] and enter the sourceforge URL. On the right, "Suggest a Change" and tell them that it should not be on their list. Make your voice heard!

Wow (1)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802833)

2600 is Political/Religious? Thats a bit of a stretch.

Now if Slashdot were rated Political/Religious, that would be perfectly understandable.

Flame on Zealots!

gnu.org? (5, Funny)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802881)


Does SmartFilter gnu.org [gnu.org] as a religious web site?

I just listed Slashdot! (4, Funny)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802899)

I figured it should be listed under "Cult/Occult".

Well, we can all vote, right? (1)

retrogmr (137852) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802774)

The links to the filter lists allow you to look up what's covered.. you can look up sourceforge and send in a suggested change of "remove from list".

I imagine that page should be crushed anytime now :)

Self censorship works best? (1)

Aliks (530618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802775)

I'm sure there is an easy way for people to get round this censorship. Trouble is that most corporate employees won't know/care about back routes.

For most people the mere fact that a site has been flagged as "dodgy" is good enough. If you have to go and ask for permission to visit a "banned site" and probably log a reason to go there with the authorities, I bet most people opt to keep their heads down and go along with it.

A breach, A Turn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802779)



You know, I may badmouth Linux occasionally. . .I may think Taco is a fatso, living a lie in Holland, MICHIGAN. . .but this is ridiculous.

Fuck filtering software. Can censorship ever be used responsibly?

They've always blocked stuff unfairly... (5, Informative)

User 956 (568564) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802781)

Seth Finkelstein [sethf.com] has written some software to decrypt the software's blacklist of forbidden sites, and has analyzed what he found. The list of blocked newsgroups is fascinating: sci.archaeology as occult, and comp.org.eff.talk as criminal, for example. He's found "extreme or obscene" sites like hotrails.com [hotrails.com] ("extreme sports" rollerblading on "naked metal"), gcsextreme.com [gcsextreme.com] (custom-built computers for the "extreme gamer," unfortunately at a domain name with both "sex" and "extreme" in it) and extreme-offroad.com [extreme-offroad.com] (same deal). Their music-critic skills need work too, as they block InsaneClownPosse.com [insaneclownposse.com] , Tupac.com [tupac.com] , Marilyn Manson [marilynmanson.com] , and even Chumbawamba's Web site [chumba.com] . Every one of these and many more are blocked as "Extreme," which puts them in the same category as photos of mutilated dead bodies, bizarre hard-core pornography and child pornography.

His discussion of the legal risks of decrypting these blacklists is fascinating too, and (as he likes to say) "a topic in itself." He would like to open up the source to his SmartFilter-decryption tool but feels the legal risk is too high. How sad is that?

Here's Secure Computing's definition of the "extreme" category [securecomputing.com] , and the examples they give ("Pixman's Vault of Porn Pix", "Bizarre & Maximum Perversion").

You can confirm Seth's findings using Secure Computing's own SmartFilterWhere [securecomputing.com] .
It asks for your name and phone number; you have my permission to make some up. As of December 7, at 9:45 PM EST, that CGI operates with a Control List updated on December 5 and confirms all of Seth's results that I tried. By the time you read this, they may have quickly fixed all the errors he published, loaded in an up-to-the-minute Control List, and proudly announced that their software is now perfect.

Re:They've always blocked stuff unfairly... QWZX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802879)

I don't know about some of the other sites, but you don't think Marilyn Manson is "extreme"????

If I was a parent I'd be thanking Zeus that they blocked that freak's site.

Re:They've always blocked stuff unfairly... (2)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802885)

Sounds like the crappy filtering service/software they used at my high school. We couldn't even go visit college sites at some points because they asked for your sex (male/female) on a form somewhere on their domain.

Sometimes I wonder if they block sites for any stupid reason they can think up, or if they do a massive search for "sex" or something in a page or domain name and don't police their own results.

This is an outrage! (1)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802913)


SmartFilter labels goatse.cx as "Sex,Extreme". This is unfair! An outrage!

mp3s (1)

ekephart (256467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802783)

I would imagine mp3 restricted really means P2P restricted. If this is true, I think it shows poor word choice, but at the same time it conveys a more clear (albeit misleading and broad) message for the average user.

suggest a change (1)

wildzeke (191754) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802784)

Just go to http://www.securecomputing.com/cgi-bin/filter_wher eV301.cgi, and search for http://www.sourceforge.net/. When you get the serarch result, suggest that it be removed from the list. If enough people do this, perhaphs the smartfilter folks will get the message.

Re:suggest a change (1)

deadl0ck (92256) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802915)

sf.net is not blocked, if that helps anyone. Unfortunately it resolves out to sourceforge.net after entering the site.

Slashdot them with requests for reclassification? (1)

realxmp (518717) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802786)

They helpfully provide an option to suggest a reclassification for site. If enough people go along and suggest "remove from list" maybe they'll get a hint?

Ok beaten to the punch while I was typing it (1)

realxmp (518717) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802806)

Oh well

Not Blocked Here (2, Informative)

yelligsc (451575) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802788)

Maybe my company is just slow to get updates... But we have smartfilter here at work and for now I have no problem hitting sourceforge.

Anyone know why this might be?

Scott.

Up in cyberspace.. (1, Offtopic)

Disevidence (576586) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802791)

Is that a klez virus, no, its a beowulf cluster, no its SETH F to the RESCUE!!!

He'll save us from the evil lurches of the corporate smartfilter.

(I don't mean anything by it, Seth:)

The best news I've heard in a long time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802792)

I for one am glad that SmartFilter is blocking Sourcforge.net. It will keep impressionable websurfers away from the godless open source movement and all it represents. If it was up to me I would add Slashdot, Newsforge, and all the Linux distribution websites as well. It's about goddamn time that corporate America sends a message to the socialists that comprise open source. We say loud and clear: Open source is a threat to our homeland and god fearing patriots will not sit by while the GPL guts our free enterprise system! God bless Microsoft! God bless America!

Re:The best news I've heard in a long time (0)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802845)

wow.... I had no clue John Ashcroft read /. !!

Re:The best news I've heard in a long time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802917)

Thanks "patriot". Your blatant lack of understanding and respect for freedom of speach is a bigger threat to our freedoms than the GPL.

You sir, are a socialist.

Just request to have it changed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802796)

Go here: http://www.securecomputing.com/cgi-bin/filter_wher eV301.cgi [slashdot.org] and enter www.sourceforge.net
Click check URL and then suggest a change. Slashdot the hell out of the company and they'll change it :-D

We broke it. :) (2)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802935)

The script is giving an Internal Server Error now. :)

bullshit (-1, Troll)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802798)

I am posting this from behind my company's network which uses smart filter. I have absolutely no problem going to sourceforge.net or any site in that domain.

So maybe it's just the submitter's network problem or this is just an outright lie.

either way, slashdot editors could at least check before posting. I laughed as soon as I read this "news" story.

Re:bullshit (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802811)

Sure. Your company probably doesn't block mp3 sites. And those who do, block sourceforge.

Re:bullshit (1)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802887)

where's the censorship here? what part of my rights are being violated by this? the employer owns the computer and the network.

The headline and story is pure sensationalism. SmartFilter isn't blocking sourceforge, the individual company is. They use smart filter as a tool to filter out stuff, albeit sloppily and sometimes inaccurately. Just like guns don't kill people, people do. Bottom line, this story is much ado about nothing. Just because it affected sourceforge, slashdot goes apeshit.

Re:bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802863)

Maybe you should check before you make such a stupid comment.

The editors were correct.

Just go and check out the smartfilter database.

Re:bullshit (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802883)

Perhaps your company's block list hasn't been updated. Or your firm doesn't block sites listed under 'mp3'. In any event, go to the search page [securecomputing.com] on their site, and enter sourceforge. You will see that it is categorized as a 'bad' domain. Not only that, but it seems that all domains ending in .sourceforge.net are listed. For example, brewnix.sourceforge.net is listed, (for real. Used the search ~4:35 EDT) and there are no mp3 files or tools available.

It's less bogus than several /. stories of the past.

Re:bullshit (3, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802889)

It is certainly on the list. The fact that your company doesn't choose to restrict that category or uses an older version of the software doesn't mean that it isn't on the list.

As an after thought, your company may have that category set to log. In which case you will likely get a visit from management wanting to discuss your mp3 habits during work hours.

How dare you, michael! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802805)

I am calling for a boycott of Michael Sims, America's number one enemy in the fight against anti-anti-censorware, until he gives me an apology for his rampant goatse'ing and usurping of the Censorware Project [censorware.net] , my pride and joy.

Frankly, I'm shocked that I am not revered by all of Slashdot. My contributions to the world of anti-censorware research are comparable to the contributions of Jesus Christ to the field of religion. I won more awards from that project than Michael won in his whole damned life.
Do not underestimate me. I will be heard.

Censorship is the second best answer (1)

Vought 28 (584320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802808)

We should not censor images of people having sex. We need to stop people from having sex. Many problems solved.

Finally, a reason to use Linux! (2, Funny)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802864)

We need to stop people from having sex.

I hear that if you run Linux, you never have sex. :)

Re:Censorship is the second best answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802896)

Hey everybody look! John Ashcroft got a slashdot account!

Re:Censorship is the second best answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802928)

You first!

Now's the time.... (2, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802814)

Start blasting this smartfilter as crapware that hinder's productivity and only costs the company money in lost productivity and overspending on worthless software (squid is a better solution than ANY commercial filter/proxy on the planet. oh and it happens to be FREE!)

blast it.... blast it mercilessly people...

take every step to blast ANY non-open-source filtering system....

OH, if anyone tries to tell me that squid is too hard to configure... Please let me smack you.. I never touched squid before in my life... last friday I was mandated to install a filtering system for our intranet (spawned by a user's need to view kiddie porn on company computers) I downloaded and installed squid today... it's working perfect and the porn filters that are freely available work just fine.. if they want to add other "naughty" sites, it takes exactly 30 seconds to add it to a flat-text file... even a MSCE coud do it.

paying for any type of filtering system is pure stupidity and would only be reccomended by incompetent sysadmins/netadmins.

Re:Now's the time.... (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802859)

Seriously not trying to be a troll, but I hope someone turned the guy (or girl, you didn't say) in.

That is a _real_ crime, there is a real victim, and who wants to work with someone like that?

Re:Now's the time.... (2, Troll)

Jester998 (156179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802900)

[root@myhost /]# su MCSE
Access denied. Stupidity not allowed on UNIX boxen.

"add it to a flat-text file... even a MSCE coud do it."
No they couldn't. An MCSE would be asking "What do I click on to open this 'flat-text file'???"

"pure stupidity and would only be reccomended by incompetent sysadmins/netadmins"
See above.

- Jester

Revenge of the Draconian Filters (1)

WilliamG (565920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802835)

A lot of filters seem to be becoming overly broad with their banned sites. My school had a domain blocked out that actually prevented us from doing an assignment in class. A lot of the protective measures are going too far. I would like to see why they even said it had MP3s on it, maybe someone is illegaly using a Sourceforg account to store MP3s?

*BSD Is Dying (-1)

pwpbot (588025) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802849)

Netcraft has now confirmed BSD is dying Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraftsurvey which plainly states that BSD has lost more market share this news serves to reinforce what weve known all along BSD is collapsing in complete disarray as further exemplified by failing dead last samagcom samagcom in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking testYou dont need to be a Kreskin amdestcom to predict BSDs future The hand writing is on the wall BSD faces a bleak future In fact there wont be any future at all for BSD because BSD is dying Things are looking very bad for BSD As many of us are already aware BSD continues to lose market share Red ink flows like a river of blood FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all having lost 93 of its core developersLets keep to the facts and look at the numbers OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD How many users of NetBSD are there Lets see The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1 Therefore there are about 70005 1400 NetBSD users BSDOS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts Therefore there are about 700 users of BSDOS A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the BSD market Therefore there are 700014007004 36400 FreeBSD users This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenetposts Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek abysmal sales and so on FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS Now BSDI is also deadits corpse turned over to yet another charnel house All major surveys show that BSD has steadily declined in market share BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim If BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers BSD continues to decay Nothing short of a miracle could save it atthis point in time For all practical purposes BSD is dead BSD is dying

Why are you helping them? (5, Insightful)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802856)

Why are so many people suggesting that we help smartfilter by voting to remove sourceforge? This won't help discourage companies from using it.

Instead, vote to make NYTIMES.COM and CNN.COM a "Criminal Skills" site. When the bosses start finding that smartfilter is effecting THEIR browsing, maybe they'll think twice before interfering in YOUR browsing.

Web filters are problematic (4, Insightful)

silversurf (34707) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802860)

My company uses SurfControl's [surfcontrol.com] web filter product. In my experience of trying to administer the thing, is that it *usually* gets the catagory right. Supposedly these filter makers are verifying their databases, of which you pay through the nose to subscribe to. I've found about a 3-5% error rate, meaning they've miscatagorized that many of the total catagorized sites and this usually draws some level of corrective action to change the blockage.

My hunch is that these guys (filter makers) wrote a search engine to do the catagorization and are just doing a dictionary score to wieght a page and make a decision on the results. So SourceForge probably scored high on the words "Download" and "MP3", or something like that, and since they both probably occur alot seeing as how there are alot of MP3 tools on that site for download it got catagorized as such. This doesn't make it right, but I'm willing to bet that no human said "hey let's block SourceForge because we don't like it and that'll piss everyone off".

Most likely, the admins using the big-brother-ware in question can override the catagory and/or create an exception rule to allow people through to mis-blocked sites. But that depends on corporate policy. My company adopted a "if it's something you use for work, we'll unblock it right away" policy that works pretty well and they've followed through on it too. However, there is a possibility that someone would place implicit trust in the filter and not want to change anything they block. This would be bad (IMHO) because, just like a search engine or anything else, it's not perfect and these things are subject to human error in the end. I can tell you it's cut down the amount of pr0n bandwidth being used on my network, which is really nice because my downloads take way less time now.

-s

Forward this to your boss... (1)

lynx_user_abroad (323975) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802861)

Yippee!

I happen to work for your biggest competitor, and we've been wondering how we were ever going to compete against you. I'm glad to see that your innovation is going to be encumbered by this filter software in the future. Sell your stock now, because we're going to clean up all over you in the near future.

Oh, and tell the guys in Information Systems I said Thanks!

suggestion (2)

cr@ckwhore (165454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802862)

did you try it through an http tunneling tool such as anonymizer.com??

Maybe they should block slashdot because... (1)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802865)

[adam@missioncontrol adam]$ nslookup warez.slashdot.org
Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases.
Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with
the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing.
Server: 10.1.3.1
Address: 10.1.3.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: warez.slashdot.org
Address: 127.0.0.1

(but we all know 127.0.0.1 is localhost, so its a DNS admin joke)

New Poll Suggetion... (-1)

Seth Finkelstien (582610) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802867)

Who is your all time most hated Censorware Project Hijacker?

[ ]Michael Sims
[ ]Michael Sims
[ ]Michael Sims
[ ]Michael Sims
[ ]Michael Sims
[ ]Michael Sims
[ ]CowboyNeal -- Wait no, make that Michael Sims

Websense (1)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802871)

Not that this helps anyone that being blocked but
Websense still allows full access to SorceForge. Not that it really matters to me since I've got full administrator rights I can just unblock it.

Unpleasant at best (2, Redundant)

MadFarmAnimalz (460972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802877)

Here [securecomputing.com] is where you can plug a URL in to see if it gets filtered or not. And indeed, sourceforge turns out to be a wicked MP3-peddler. Oddly enough, freshmeat is not in there yet.

They also have another interesting and potentially more controversial filtering category: "Anonymizer". Try plugging http://www.anonymizer.com [anonymizer.com] into that box on the link above. Thin legal ice, if you ask me.

Feces (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802888)

Well another ms cocksucker spills his feces

http://216.136.171.196 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3802901)

How do these filters work?

A quick ping or traceroute gives you the ip of the site. Can accessing it be that simple or is more required?

Apologies from us here at SmartFilter Corp. (5, Funny)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802912)

We're sorry to hear that you are upset at a new feature built into our latest version of SmartFilter. We do, however, appreciate all feedback, and this has certainly been useful in locating a bug within our software.

It appears our QA department inadvertently made an error in the data files for SmartFilter. SourceForge is not, technically, banned as being an MP3 site, but is in a new category we added called 'Sites for Geeky Losers'. The pointer for this category has remained pointed at 'MP3 Sites' in our symbol table. We will be fixing this in our next release.

Regards,
Chuck "Jesus" Smythe
SmartFilter Corp. -- Banning the sites that we don't like.

Question? (1)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802916)

Do you need access to sourceforge for your job? Or are your visiting it for more personal reasons? Pardon me for being rude, but you do work for a business need , and if going to sourceforge is not a business need, then it makes sense for them to block it.

I know I will get flamed for this, but its true. If your ISP at home was doing this, I could understand being pissed, but you are at WORK.

(If you do need it for a business purpose, then I can understand your gripe).

Filtering software isnt the answer. (5, Interesting)

pogle (71293) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802920)

I'm a practicing Baptist, and have some strong issues on some things. However, when my church was passing around a petition in support of mandating censorware on school computers, I spoke out against it. People looked at me like I had suddenly turned into a gorilla.

Honestly, when public schools are underfunded, and hardworking teachers are underpaid and under-rewarded, should schools really be spending money on software that has been proven time and again to be ineffective? I haven't got this program to test, but how much of google's cache do they block, I wonder? And the Usenet archives? Between those, I imagine you could get anything you wanted anyways. My experience with the censorware at work has been it even blocks Slashdot on some days, but never anything else. It blocks a few online game sites, like Sony's Station, but not much else. I don't sit at work and browse porn, but I've loaded pages before that had plenty of it (people really need to identify whats in the links they email me) and the censorware didnt stop it at all.

So I ask you: Censorware that arguably does as much harm as good? Or raises for teachers and administrative staff who could better nuture teens' growth away from questionable sites as it is? It doesn't take much for someone to walk thru a computer lab now and then, and anyone turning their monitor off quickly is rather obvious. Censorware is a leech-like entity, and rates only slightly above spam mailers in my opinion (only because they once had, deep down inside, an urge to do something good--or so I like to believe).

But taking an active role in childrens education about such things, and occassionally checking in on them while they're surfing are far better alternatives than spending money thats going to limit so much of the good with only a little of the bad.

Thanx to goatse.cx (0)

TweeKinDaBahx (583007) | more than 12 years ago | (#3802934)

I think /. might soon get listed as a pornography site.

Not to mention all the kinky stories about CmdrTaco!!
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