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Printing Wide Web Pages?

Cliff posted more than 11 years ago | from the they-don't-make-printers-this-size dept.

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dmayle asks: "I'm an origami folder, and I have some diagrams stored as web pages on a cd. I'd like to print them out (since folding in front of a computer monitor is not the easiest of tasks), but the web pages have all of the steps laid out horizontally. I've tried using Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, and even IE (on a windows platform), but I can't seem to find a printing engine that can handle wide web pages. Am I missing something? Hasn't anyone ever tried to print wide web pages before? What I'm asking is: Do you folks know of any utilities (or browsers) that I've missed that can handle printing wide web pages?"

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This_Is_ASDF (587337) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811345)

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Landscape (1, Informative)

halgary (589791) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811358)

Can't you just set the paper orientation to Landscape and click Print? What is so hard about that?

Re:Landscape (2, Insightful)

Mister Proper (567223) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811527)

This is pretty lame.

A stupid question was asked and posted by an editor. Everyone (at this moment) giving the correct answer is moderated down as Flamebait.

Is this an all-time low for /.?

Re:Landscape (3, Informative)

King of the World (212739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811721)

It's the wrong answer. Printing out in landscape will still print the page vertically. Vertical printing is different to printing on a wider page (which is all landscape is). For example,

They want a page printed like (pipe is the page's edge)

1,2,3,4 | 5,6,7,8 | 9,10,11 | 12

and not jumbled like

1,2 | 5,6 | 9,10 | 12

3,4 | 7,8 | 11

The former can be joined together and the content will still be readable across the page.

Horizontal printing is about continuing sentences and content across all 4 pages before making a line-break, when you return to the 1st page again. I wouldn't do this for text but for diagrams it makes a lot of sense.

Re:Landscape (2)

Toraz Chryx (467835) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812692)

I seem to recall circa 1993 Acorn A3020's being able to split printjobs up like that...

I'm actually rather surprised that modern machines can't >:(

two steps forward, three steps back and all that.

Have any of you Linux dumbasses (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811362)

ever heard of printing landscape?

Uh, have you checked the "File" menu? (0, Troll)

Anomolous Cow Herd (457746) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811385)

It's real easy. See, there's this thing in Mozilla that you can do to print this. Go to the "File" menu (that's the button on the bar that goes across the top of the window). Press your mouse button to open the file menu. Next, click on the "Page Setup..." option (you'll have to move your cursor down the menu to do this). Then, all you have to do is select the "Format & Options" tab (the little file folder tab looking thing at the top of the window that "Page Setup..." pops up). Click on the white circle next to "Landscape" until a little black dot appears in it, and then hit the "OK" button. Now, just print your page by pressing "Ctrl - P" and you'll be set!

Hope that helps.

Re:Uh, have you checked the "File" menu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3814097)

"I don't know that the president should be considered intelligent, nor should he be considered even mildly competent." - Gorge Rising

Huh? (1, Insightful)

spencerogden (49254) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811402)

Can't the pictures just be downloaded seperately and then printed with a proper photo program?

Did ask Slashdot just become tech support?

Re:Huh? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3811463)

Hmm not sure. When did you become a total asshole?

Re:Huh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3811671)

No need to post anonymously, Cliff. We're all very proud of your Why-Use-Google-When-I-Can-Ask-Slashdot section.

Re:Huh? (2)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811999)

Can't the pictures just be downloaded seperately and then printed with a proper photo program?

I'll go out on a limb here and guess that these are webpages with a mix of text and images? If so, it'd be nice to print them out as webpages, instead of printing out the separate photos.

Did ask Slashdot just become tech support?

Tech support is, "this is broken, how do I fix it?" This question is, "there doesn't seem to be any browser capable of printing wide web pages, does anyone on slashdot know how to do this?"

1: No such thing (0)

TripleRippleTroll (589770) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811455)

There is no such thing as "wide" web pages. HTML is a logical markup language. Your software renders pages however wide or narrow as it wants to. For example, if you have a graphical browser, you can resize Slashdot and the paragraphs widen or shink as necessary. Your printing software should be formatting the pages as appropriate for your printing preferences.

Re:1: No such thing (-1)

Anal Cocks (557998) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811537)

"There is no such thing as "wide" web pages."

There's no such thing as wide webpages? Set your threshold to -1 and see if you can say that again.

2: No such thing (0)

TripleRippleTroll (589770) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811569)

Ok. I did, but didn't see what you're referring to. Do I have to use a special browser to recreate a bug that yours is experiencing?

Re:2: No such thing (-1)

Anal Cocks (557998) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811635)

It's not a bug, it's by design. I'm not joking. Your local troll headquarters [trollaxor.com] explains it as being a property of Unicode to not break lines in certain places. Even though Unicode is quite new, this behaviour is retroactive to certain ASCII chars like period and slash. Fully-implemented Unicode libraries will support wide pages if the text is layed out with the "proper" punctuation.

3: YHBT, Anal Cocks (-1, Troll)

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Re:3: YHBT, Anal Cocks (-1)

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Re:1: No such thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3811656)

Its not supported on nonstandard browser technology. If you try to view it using a communist product such as Mozilla, you just see a bullet or slash before each character, and its the normal width.

Re:1: No such thing (-1)

Anal Cocks (557998) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811710)

Personally, I prefer the satanic Opera browser, or iCab, written by homosexual Mac-using anarchists.

Re:1: No such thing (2)

bakes (87194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812358)

Try browsing Slash at -1, and you'll see plenty of wide pages. Shrink the window doesn't help.

its HTML, edit it... (1)

swright (202401) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811483)

Why can't you just edit it and change the layout so the diagrams go down the page instead of across?

If you can't do HTML try one of the many WYSIWYG editors (Frontpage et al, bleurgh).

Otherwise, post links to the pages - it'd be pretty trivial to knock up a script to do it for you...

Re:its HTML, edit it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3812346)

<cough>Dreamweaver is way better then frontpage</cough>

Slashdot Gripes 1.01 (-1)

pwpbot (588025) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811493)

posters that spell Microsoft with a or spell it MicroCrap or something posters that glorify a feature that Linux has that BSD or Solaris as had for years and list this reason as the most important reason to switch over posters that say Slackware is better because you have to compile all of the applications for yourself Rob Maldas arrogance frequent spelling and grammar mistakes Im not talking something really obscure or a minor technicallity in English either Im talking substituting loose for lose or theyretheirthere Really easily corrected mistakes Any halfway decent fifth grader could pick up on these errors people that post a mirror to a site that has been Slashdotted which normally would be nice but is hosted on a cable modem that is soon Slashdotted page widening random quashing of posts that dont agree with the Slashdot mindset really annoying sigs unhumorous jokes that have to be explained to the audience If your joke has to be explained its not funny BOYCOTT RIAA and I cant wait to see Episode II all in the same day Rob Maldas childish obsession with legos the Slashdot crew doesnt have any other jobs other than Slashdot yet it seems it was better run when Rob was running it on a Multia in college in his spare time the page limit with the subscription The expulsion of Signal 11 ranting paranoid articles whenever there APPEARS to be a GPL violation with no verification whatsoever Just a bunch of ranting posts about freedom for that matter no verification of articles at all I wish I could count the number of times Slashdots been scammed on two hands but its been so many April Fools articles on Slashdot THESE ARENT FUNNY I wasnt going to explain but whatever Okay lets say you run a website On April Fools you post say ONE or TWO fake pieces of news along with the real news This way some people are fooled By posting ALL fake news and jokes no one falls for the prank no one buys Lokis games but there is a big mystery when they go out of business no NNTP frontend to Slashdot direct links to bugzilla continuing tightening of the troll filters to the point where even normal posts are rejected by some stupid criteria self righteous posters who want everything under the sun to be Open Source even though they have never written a line of code in their life whenever an article on a new scripting language is posted all of the C users chime in but its not as fast as C shortly after all the assembly users chime in assembly is the fastest predictably right after that someone says why dont we all just use machine code anecdotes on your grandmother using Linux to check her email and whatnot this ALONE proves that Linux is better than Windows for ALL uses cultlike devotion to Linux reserve your fanaticism for a church not a kernel someone is not less of a person if they dont use Unix posters who think that BeOS is having a bad moment and will surely rise to defeat all other operating systems posters who think Palm will open the source to BeOS for no reason at all people who think that Amiga isnt dead The new virtual Amiga doesnt count people who think that OS2 isnt dead Ecomstation doesnt count people who bemoan the loss of OS2 while thinking it was a big conspiracy completely IGNORING the fact that IBM did not advertise we all KNOW OS2 was technically superior to Windows at the time You dont have to bedazzle us with tales of running all the latest Windows and DOS applications aside native OS2 apps Weve heard it all before We know it WAS better people who think that this is the last year ever well ever have to hire C programmers because as we all know Java is going to kill it off this is a good one Completely expositionary articles such as Surprised by Weath in which ESR BRAGGED about how rich he was and how he wasnt going to give us any money NO SIR bitchslapping benchmarks that pit say Linux lastest revision against FreeBSD 30 or something old and useless how banner ads for the site only link to other OSDN sites any links to nytimescom when someone writes a comment with H to signify deletions the moderation rtbl meta moderation people that spell Red Hat as RedCrap

Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 (-1, Troll)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811506)

I believe this is the first ON-TOPIC Page Widening Post, and should be moderated up accordingly.

FUCK YOU, RINGBARER!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3811884)

Come back to the dark side, you sellout!!!

Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3814266)

Your rant interests me and I wish to use it in a sinewave scrolling demotext. May I assume it is copylefted or are you in fact not a smelly communist GNU hippy?
--
AC

Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 (1)

kcecil (590347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3824261)

Please punctuate! I mean, really, you're going to complain about loose/lose and the confusion of there/their/they're, but you can't be bother to include a period in your post?

Uhmmm.. (2)

Phexro (9814) | more than 11 years ago | (#3811505)

Why not just edit the HTML so the steps are laid out vertically?

Is it just me... (2, Insightful)

dimator (71399) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811614)

...or are Ask Slashdot questions slowly degrading to crap?

Re:Is it just me... (2)

Usquebaugh (230216) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811632)

It's not just you, but the people vetting the questions do not give credit to their readers. Go ahead think of a tough techie type question, submit it and watch it get rejected.

/. is going for page hits.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811794)

yeah, but the trolls [slashdot.org] are getting better...

Re:Is it just me... (3, Insightful)

dev0n (313063) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812527)

just wondering how this can be considered crap.. upon reading the question, all i could think was "damn, i have no idea how i'd go about doing that" -- and that, to me, is something that a GOOD question does. makes me think.

grr, i'm off topic. it just pisses me off when idiots slam a topic just because they don't care about it or already know the answer. if you don't care, don't read it. and if you already know the answer.. post it, for christ's sake.

phew. bedtime for this cranky girl, i think. heh.

Re:Is it just me... (2)

MiTEG (234467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812802)

I know this is OT, but...
I just checked out your webpage and I must say it's an awesome design- very nice color scheme and easily navigated layout.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 12 years ago | (#3813008)

Too bad the content is ABSOLUTE CRAP.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3813086)

I'll second that. Some people spend more time talking (and thinking) about life than actually living it.

Re:Is it just me... (0, Troll)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3813088)

This is the most retarded question ever. It has nothing to do with the browser, it has to do with the printer driver. You can easily make a 50" wide page in Word too. Are you then going to Ask Slashdot how to print that?! Get a wider printer, moron.

Hmmm.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3811625)

Try turning your printer sideways - there were some monitors that could do this.

Mozilla is Dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3811646)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Mozilla is dying


One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Mozilla community when IDC confirmed that Mozilla market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web browsers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Mozilla has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Mozilla is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.


You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict Mozilla's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Mozilla faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Mozilla because Mozilla is dying. Things are looking very bad for Mozilla. As many of us are already aware, Mozilla continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.


Netscape 6 is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Netscape developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Mozilla is dying.


Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.


Mozilla.org leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Mozilla. How many users of Galeon are there? Let's see. The number of Mozilla versus Galeon posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Galeon users. Chimera posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Galeon posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Chimera. A recent article put Netscape 6 at about 80 percent of the Mozilla market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Netscape 6 users. This is consistent with the number of Netscape 6 usenet posts.


Due to the troubles of Mozilla, abysmal sales and so on, Netscape went out of business and will probably be taken over by AOL who sell another troubled browser. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.


All major surveys show that Mozilla has steadily declined in market share. Mozilla is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Mozilla is to survive at all it will be among browser dilettante dabblers. Mozilla continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Mozilla is dead.


Fact: Mozilla is dying

I'm back, baby!!! (-1)

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Landscape? (1)

iamroot (319400) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811690)

What about just using the landscape format?
Or a continuous feed printer in landscape mode, and the paper width set to the width of the page?

You COULD print in landscape (0)

xagon7 (530399) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811808)

What the heck kind of Ask Slashdot post is this?

ZOOM!! (1)

droyad (412569) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811812)

Open the html document in M$ word and set the margins appropriately. Then get it to scale down and print on one page.

OR

Open it the pictures in Paint Shop Pro (excelent program, free evaluation) and got to print set up and select landscape and fit to page

Just get a mac. (1)

perfectlynormalbeast (221743) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811838)

IE for mac has had really nice fit-to-page printing for a while now. Since 4.5 I think. I'll make sure paragraphs and images don't get cut off and such.

Dunno why the PC version, which is so much faster with a better DOM, is like the worstest ever at printing.

P.S. I love using "worstest".

Re:Just get a mac. (2)

MrResistor (120588) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812411)

Windows 2000 offers fit-to-page printing for anything. I don't know if Win9x offers such a thing as I've never needed it at home, and of course I'm not using Windows at the moment so I can't check it out.

Anyway, I don't think it's an IE thing but rather an OS/driver thing.

"Landscape" (1)

sid crimson (46823) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811889)

Try printing with your printer set to "Landscape." If need be, you can get yourself an 11x17 printer.

-sid

screen capture? (2)

Pierre (6251) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811979)

How about doing a screen capture of your browser and printing the image with gimp or some other paint program?

Re:screen capture? (1)

glens (6413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3813150)

Here's a quote from a newsgroup message:
The Real Bev wrote:

>
> TenThumbs wrote:
>
> > BTW, what's the URL for the C-Band thing?
>
> http://www.21st-satellite.com/satellite_tv.html
>
> We have a 10' and a 12'. We used to have a 6', but it was right by the
> south fence and the neighbors worried about it :-) (Friend in the business
> who gave us his discards.)
>

The page sets up a 2200 pxiel wide table. There aren't too many monitors
that wide. Never frae, though; there's always a virtual frame buffer.

A little experimentation and you discover that you can do
Xvfb :1 -screen 0 2800x2100x8 &
netscape -display :1 -geometry =2600x1900 <URL> &
Since you can't see anything you have to guess when netscape is finished but
eventually you just do
xwd -display :1 -root >foo.xwd
and you now have a screen shot. You have to crop it, of course, but that's
not hard. Printing it may be a problem but it's a different problem.

Are we having fun yet?
The followup message had attached proof.

uh, i think you missed the obvious solution... (1)

kemster (532022) | more than 12 years ago | (#3811995)

... just buy a bigger monitor dude. Then it'll all fit on one screen. Trust me.

Re:uh, i think you missed the obvious solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3812361)

Dude, your getting a Panoramtech TD Series 10'x4' (Team Display) [panoramtech.com] !

Duh! (1)

CoolCash (528004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812044)

Just get a wider printer... HP has a nice 60" wide one!

Pathetic (2, Insightful)

Qrlx (258924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812058)

This is the most pathetic response to an ask slashdot ever.

Like half of the people have suggested "landscape" when it's pretty obvious that's not what the guy is asking about. He's got a page that's like ten screens wide. Printing in landscape will give him maybe another half-a-screen of width. The question is: How to get the next eight screens of width?

The only thing I can think of on this one would be to somehow render the HTML page in PostScript (or eps). I don't know what out there would do that. Once you have PostScript, it should be pretty easy to make the printer do what you want, even if it means rotating it 90 degrees so it's on its side.

If someone could post a link to a nefarious page-widening post that would be cool, too. I can't see them anymore since I stopped using IE.

Re:Pathetic (2)

ninewands (105734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812236)

html2ps does a pretty nice job of rendering static webpages into PostScript files and KWord can load the webpage then save it to a PostScript file.

As Larry Wall says of Perl "TMTOWTDI"

Anythng as long as it's landscape US letter (2)

xixax (44677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812784)

One of the points of HTML is supposed to be that it does not care how wide the display device is. But I keep finding pages that are set up so that they can only be printed in landscape on US letter lest the text fall off the page. Poor design.

But to answer the question:

Use a printer driver for an A0 postscript plotter and print to file. I have exactly that set up, and can't see why it shouldn't work (but I am not going to print an A0 copy of goatse for /. karma).

Hmmm... I just created an A0 poster of Theo de Raadt using IE... now there's a troll. :o)

Xix.

hmm... (1)

RaboKrabekian (461040) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812122)

Could you import the data into software that would give you more flexibility? One of the reasons you can't find a browser that supports this kind of thing is that browsers are *browsers* and aren't really built for page layout of print media.

PDF plus poster/banner printer. (5, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812143)

Save it as a PDF. Easier if you're in OS X but MS Word can probably do it as well. Then print landscape on a large format poster/banner printer.

Some Epsons and HP's can print unlimited length or very long 'banner' sized images on rolls of paper.

Take your PDF to Kinkos and have them do it for you.

Hmm. (1)

Photar (5491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812338)

Editing the HTML sounds like the best option to me. If its all layed out in tables just exchange some TDs with some TRs and it would work fine.

Too bad there isn't a built in way to do it though... But from a programming standpoint it doesn't seem like it should be too hard to in software just rotate the whole page 90 degrees and send it to the printer.

HTMLDOC converts HTML to PDF (2)

dwheeler (321049) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812413)

A very nice tool for converting HTML to PDF is "HTMLDoc". It's GPL'ed. The HTMLDOC home page is located at http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc [easysw.com] . It's not clear to me that it will really meet your needs, but if not, it may be possible to modify it to do what you want.

This is easily done on IE 5.2 for OS X... (5, Informative)

realgone (147744) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812464)

...and probably most other 5.X versons of IE for Mac.
  1. File -> Print Preview
  2. Click the radio button for "Print Wide Pages"
  3. There is no step 3. There is no step 3! =)
This will force the printer to tile out-of-bounds content in all directions, so that a web page 3 screens wide and 2 screens deep will print as:

+---+---+---+
| 1 | 3 | 5 |
+---+---+---+
| 2 | 4 | 6 |
+---+---+---+

All this hinges on you having access to a Mac, of course. Can't really help you there. *cough* [apple.com]

Use a custom page size and ps/pdf (2)

cornice (9801) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812477)

This is a 3 step process and likely more than you were after. I suspect you were hoping for a, "Gee, just use this obscure browser parameter." instead. Anyway here goes:

1 - Print to a custom page size using a PDF writer or "print to file". I was able to print to an A3 size Postscript file just using Mozilla for Linux. I could also generate a custom page up to 45 inches wide using an old Adobe PDF writer under Windows. I was also able to scale the output to get much more on a page. The scaling trick will work quite well even to very small scales for text and lines but will not work for raster images. If you only have raster images then simply save them individually and print them from Gimp.

2 - Manipulate the file in a graphics application. A vector based application like Illustrator or Corel Draw will work best (sorry I don't do much drawing so I don't know the Linux equivalent - Sketch?, Kontour?) for rotating and scaling. I was also able to use Gimp to import my mozilla.ps file at a high res (600 dpi) and achieve acceptable results.

3 - Print the file at whatever scale, in whatever chunk configuration you like.

Insider's scoop: Why BSD is dying by pwpbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3812516)

The End of FreeBSD ed note in the following text former FreeBSD developerMike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD When I stood for election to theFreeBSD core team nearly two years ago many of you will recall that it was after a long seriesof debates during which I maintained that too much organisation too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project Today as I read the latest discussions onthe future of the FreeBSD project I see the same problem a few new faces and many of the oldgoing over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes Frankly Im sick of it FreeBSD used to be fun It used to be about doing things theright way It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane choresof programming for a living got you down It was something cool and exciting a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile Its not anymore Its about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones tellingothers what to do and doing what youre told Its about who can rant the longest or shout theloudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best Individuals notwithstanding the project as a whole has lost track of where its going and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics So Im leaving core I dont want to feel like I should be doing something about a project that has lost interest in havingsomething done for it I dont have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battleI have a life to live and a job to keep and I wont achieve any of the goals I personallyconsider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project Discussion Im sure that Ive offended some people already Im sure that by the time Im done here Illhave offended more If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make asincere effort to address the problems Im discussing here please do us the courtesy of playingyour politics openly From a technical perspective the project faces a set of challengesthat significantly outstrips our ability to deliver Some of the resources that we need toaddress these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since wemade the mistake of electing officers Others have left in disgust or been driven out by theculture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then More may well remain availableto recruitment but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach aresorely diminished Theres no simple solution to this For the project to move forwardone or the other of the warring philosophies must win out either the project returns to itslaidback roots and gets on with the work or it transforms into a superorganised engineeringproject and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what ultimately we all know we want Whatever path is chosen whatever balance is struck the choosing and the striking are theimportant parts The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sortof progress Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shotno matter how distended All I can reallyask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big pictureWhat is the ultimate goal here How can we get there with as little overhead as possibleHow would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers Shouts To theSlashdot BSD is dying crowd big deal Death is part of the cycle take a look at yoursoft pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment parts of you are dying SeeIts not so bad To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community atlarge keep your eyes on the real goals Its when you get distracted by the politickersthat they sideline you The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean andbuilding is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have theirmoments in the sun In the end we need you all in order to go forwards we must first avoidgoing backwards To the paranoid conspiracy theorists yes I work for Apple too No myresignation wasnt on Steves direct orders or in any way related to work Im doing may domay not do or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today Its about real problemsthat the project faces real problems that the project has brought upon itself You cantescape them by inventing excuses about outside influence the problem stems from within To the politically obsessed give it a break if you can No the project isnt a lemonadestand anymore but its not a worldspanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the moregrandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality Keep it simple stupid To the grandstanders the prima donnas and anyone that thinks that they can hold the projectto ransom for their own agenda give it a break if you can When the current core were electedwe took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions and some of you have exploited thatA new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough I hope theylearn from our errors Future I started work on FreeBSD because it was funIf Im going to continue it has to be fun again There are things I still feel obligated todo and with any luck Ill find the time to meet those obligations However I dont feelan obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now I tried Iburnt out I dont feel that my efforts were worthwhile So I wont be standing for electionI wont be shouting from the sidelines and I probably wont vote in the next round of ballots You could say Im packing up my toys Im not going home just yet but Im not going toplay unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again

-pwpbot

Print to PDF then print to fit or edit from there (2, Informative)

SPeW (466398) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812579)

if you have acrobat installed you can just print to distiller of PDF maker and then you can size the pages accordingly in acrobat when you go to actually print the pages.

what was he asking again? (1)

ferrocene (203243) | more than 12 years ago | (#3812944)

Oh yeah, it was only mentioned 5 TIMES! I could have asked this question in one sentence, 2 tops.

Get a REALLY LONG piece of paper (1)

bushboy (112290) | more than 12 years ago | (#3813047)

Easy, just stick a coupla A4 pages together with some masking tape and force them through the printer with a kitchen knife.

Alternatively, you could actually try using your brain to figure it out as opposed to asking such a totally lame question.

This is a printing system issue. (1)

chrestomanci (558400) | more than 12 years ago | (#3813071)

It is not an issue unique to web pages. It is a potential issue for printing from any application.

Five years ago, when I was an avid user of Acorn RiscOS computers [riscos.com] I had a neat applet which solves this problem for printing from any program. (I can't remember the name, and I have done a search).

What it did was to setup a virtual printer that could print arbitrary page sizes by printing tiles through a real printer.

The user would select what size paper they wished to emulate (A1, A0, etc or arbitrary dimensions), and the real printer to print through. The user would then press print from their application. The applet would create and print the tiles, with crop marks etc.

At the time I found the application quite useful, and found it easy to print out A2 or larger posters from any application, through my humble laser jet, and then paste them together.

I am quite surprised that there is no similar feature in CUPS, as IMHO, it would be relatively straight forward to implement, especially for GDI printers, and would be genuinely useful.

I believe we have an expert here on the subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3813259)

Klerck [slashdot.org] , can you chime in on this one?

Print to file (postscript) then use ghostscript (2)

Wesley Everest (446824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3815800)

That's what I do when having problems with Internet Explorer printing. You have to make sure to select optimize for compatibility in the properties.

poster (2)

The Pim (140414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3821618)

This is just another variation on the suggestions offered by others. If you want to print at full size on a normal printer, you can print to postscript in the browser, then run the postscript through poster [geocities.com] , which will break it into pages that you can print out and tape together.

Good Question (contrary to others) (1)

doj8 (542402) | more than 12 years ago | (#3823817)

Contrary to many posters, this is a good question. It is actually rather hard to do.

Of course, a web page is meant to be rendered in a browser and printing is a secondary consideration for most. Some material just has to be printed - for legal, archival purposes, for usefulness out on the shop floor by machine operators, etc.

I've encountered the problem often. The extremely wide web pages are typically generated by a database (for example, SAP (accounting) reports, HUD material) or converted spreadsheets.

HUD (US Housing and Urban Development agency) uses specific tags in their database generated web pages and a tool (HTML Scissors - http://www.faico.net/hscissor/) to split the pages up into printable chunks. The tool works, albeit the solution is imperfect.

The better solution that several have mentioned is to print to PDF and manipulate that. If you have Adobe Acrobat (the Writer) or Distiller, that works.

The last is to import into some HTML editor and reformat it. This requires the most effort, and, if the material is many columns of numbers, can be difficult to see if you've bolixed something up.

Other than the Mac IE print to fit feature, I have not found a simple solution - and would like to myself.

Re:Good Question (contrary to others) (1)

doj8 (542402) | more than 12 years ago | (#3824555)

I neglected to include a very useful tool: HTMLDOC (http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/). It will convert an HTML page into PDF without Distiller, etc. It is GPL.

You can then print the HTML document scaled to paper size using Adobe Acrobat.
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