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Windows 2000 - Nine Months to Live

timothy posted about 12 years ago | from the hey-that's-less-than-a-nexus-six dept.

Microsoft 620

HeUnique writes "According the this story at The Register, Microsoft is planning to retire Windows 2000 as far as OEMs concerned. MS has asked OEMs to stop immediately the shipment dual-boot systems running Win2k/WinXP, so your choice now is either to upgrade to XP or else." Only if you're ordering systems running Microsoft Windows, though.

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Frosty piss? (-1)

govtcheez (524087) | about 12 years ago | (#3840788)

frist prost claimed for logged in trolls!

Re:Frosty piss? (-1)

Whistler's Mother (539004) | about 12 years ago | (#3840799)

Props to your FP

Re:Frosty piss? (-1)

govtcheez (524087) | about 12 years ago | (#3840839)

Thank you, thank you - it was a hard fought battle, but in the end, I was able to hold off whatever AC fags tried to claim the precious FP.

back in black bitches (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | about 12 years ago | (#3840789)

the janitors can't hold me down.

Props to all dead penis birds.

DTABN (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840797)

Death to all black niggers.

Thank you.

Re:DTABN (-1, Troll)

MjDascombe (549226) | about 12 years ago | (#3840805)

First troll with a !-1 score, well done you racist fuckwit.

Re:DTABN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840813)

I prefer to post anonymously. Don't worry, It'll be at -1 soon.

Furthermore, death to all black niggers.

Also, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22

Re:DTABN (-1, Offtopic)

MjDascombe (549226) | about 12 years ago | (#3840825)

Heh, the best part is that your comment is still at 0, and my responce got modded down to -1, as flamebait. Such is the stupidly backward world of /.

Re:DTABN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840834)

Yeah, someone wasted a mod point on my post and then posted. Someone just modded it down again.

I should also mention death to all black niggers.

Re:DTABN (-1, Offtopic)

jonnythan (79727) | about 12 years ago | (#3840822)

As opposed to the white niggers?

Re:DTABN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840848)

Congratulations on replying with your +1 bonus you dumb fuck. I hope you get AIDS and die a slow, painful death.

Death to all black niggers.

It's not funny (-1)

anonymous cowfart (576665) | about 12 years ago | (#3840800)

Do not post a message that starts with "It is official; Netcraft confirms: Windows 2000 is dying." I, and several other people, thought of it already. You are not clever.

a little less conversation (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | about 12 years ago | (#3840801)

and a little more crapflooding action, please.

Windows 2000 is dying (-1)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | about 12 years ago | (#3840876)

Blah, blah, blah ....

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Win2k and Common English (5, Funny)

Brightest Light (552357) | about 12 years ago | (#3840810)


MS has asked OEMs to stop immediately the shipment dual-boot systems running Win2k/WinXP

--What you say?

Re:Win2k and Common English (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840817)

someone set us up the bomb!

Re:Win2k and Common English (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840875)

IT'S YOU!!

Re:Win2k and Common English (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840841)

microsoft don't give anyone perpetuation
they are about the short term solution
they are about the now
they're not a long term solution provider
they're just riding on the crest of the wave
this is not surprising considering they launched
to provide tools platforms for the toy market

Re:Win2k and Common English (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840863)

Are you Wesley Willis?

Death to all black niggers.

Re:Win2k and Common English (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840896)

"To immediately stop" is a split infinitive. Some English grammarians like to insist that's wrong (they're on shaky ground, but there is precedent).

wk2 still has a lot of life left. (1, Insightful)

Launch (66938) | about 12 years ago | (#3840812)

This has very little to do with the death of w2k. This only effects pre-installed dual-boot systems. I don't know how many people out there really need/want a dual-boot 2k-xp system. 2k is still by far the superior 'service running' machine... and it's not going anywhere anytime soon...

Re:wk2 still has a lot of life left. (5, Insightful)

gripdamage (529664) | about 12 years ago | (#3840879)

Windows 2000 has been given nine months to live, as far as OEMs are concerned, and Microsoft is pressuring the PC companies to stop offering dual install Win2k/WinXP systems immediately.

There are 2 statements there: he says they are stopping OEM shipments altogether in 9 months, and pressuring PC companies to stop shipping dual-boot systems right now.

So hot to spit your comment out that you didn't read the article?

2k is still by far the superior 'service running' machine... and it's not going anywhere anytime soon...

Especially since they don't even have any other OS for server-use yet. But .NET Server is at beta 3.

Re:wk2 still has a lot of life left. (0)

Jack Kane (587655) | about 12 years ago | (#3840913)

Eeeeh.... Something is very wrong here. Somehow I jst don't swallow it. MS would be crazy to let that gap go. OTOH it's not unlike MS to gamble and put it all on .NET technology. Just my 2 eurocents;)

Re:wk2 still has a lot of life left. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840914)

Although the register didn't clarify it, this only applies to Win2K professional pre-installed on OEM desktops and laptops.

Refresh timing under select 6 (mentioned in other postings) is 3 years for desktop OSs and 4 years for servers

yo moderators WTF (3, Informative)

gripdamage (529664) | about 12 years ago | (#3840921)

Yes Insightful, Interesting, Informative, and not to mention totally false. According to the article ALL OEM shipments stop in 9 months. That effects everybody.

In addition to that they are "pressuring the PC companies to stop offering dual install Win2k/WinXP systems immediately."

Re:wk2 still has a lot of life left. (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | about 12 years ago | (#3840951)

First off, who the hell dual boots Windows 2000 and Windows XP?

Second, why can Microsoft force computer makers to use Windows XP instead of Windows 2000? Aren't the computer makers free to choose which OS they put on their systems? What a silly question, of course not, when it comes to MS, MS has the last say. Windows 2000 is just as good as XP without the MS spyware. Linux has come a long way so far. Although I think Windows 2000 is superior to Linux in terms of general use by normal ppl, by normal ppl, I mean not geeks like us who know how to use a computer. But soon Linux will par Windows and MS will be FUBAR. Can't wait till that day...

Windows fragmentation? (5, Interesting)

RenQuanta (3274) | about 12 years ago | (#3840814)

Here where I work, we've still not completed the rollover from NT to 2000, and I have yet to see a single XP system installed, even in a development lab. Even in the UNIX world, we're just now getting rid of the last of our Solaris 2.6 (*perhaps* by the end of the calendar year...)

Does anyone else see massive fragmentation of Windows like this, just due to the extreme upgrade lag of production shops? If it is widely spread, what do people think this mean for Windows in the corporate world?

In addition, is this just a product being retired, or is this a move by Microsoft to start boostrapping Palladium?

Re:Windows fragmentation? (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | about 12 years ago | (#3840824)

It shows that going with Microsoft products they dictate what systems you run and what solutions you take.

Re:Windows fragmentation? (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | about 12 years ago | (#3840880)

Not really. You can always install an older OS if you want. Just plan ahead. I still use Win98SE on one of my home machines, and have all the patches and stuff on CD.

Re:Windows fragmentation? (2)

RenQuanta (3274) | about 12 years ago | (#3840831)

Note that I was not talking about transitioning Solaris 2.6 to Windows, I was talking about a version upgrade (Solaris 2.6-> Solaris 2.8)

Re:Windows fragmentation? (1)

xtremex (130532) | about 12 years ago | (#3840874)

Or you can just wait until v. 9 is released (non-BETA).
Most companies own't upgrade form 6 because alot of software is not "certified" with 2.7 or 2.8, like Oracle....

Re:Windows fragmentation? (1)

DeRobeHer (76234) | about 12 years ago | (#3840955)

Solaris 9 was released a few weeks ago. We're already testing it out here, trying to decide how urgent it is that we upgrade our equipment to it (all of which is currently running Solaris 8).

Re:Windows fragmentation? (3, Interesting)

hoop33 (585222) | about 12 years ago | (#3840851)

Where I work (a large corporation), we never began the rollover from NT to 2000. We still run NT 4.0 on the desktop, and have no plans to move. We also use Office 97 . . . .

Re:Windows fragmentation? (2)

Oculus Habent (562837) | about 12 years ago | (#3840892)

Upgrades are a difficult thing - for smaller businesses particularly. We are running a combination of Win95 and Win98, with NT for our domain server and HP-UX 10.20

Upgrades are time consuming and costly. The only reason we will eventually upgrade is compatability with our vendors/customers. Until that time, Win98 is our OS of choice.

And screw Microsoft's Volume Licensing change [microsoft.com] . Save money by purchasing the right to purchase software at the current pricing before they raise prices.

Re:Windows fragmentation? (1)

Smedrick (466973) | about 12 years ago | (#3840897)

I see the same thing at my work. Only the brand new Dells just introduced a month ago have 2000 installed.

I think the reason for the slow response time to new software is because:

a. The enigineers simply do not like (or, more likely, fear) change, and

b. A lot of the documents we work with are 20-year-old government documents written in programs like Word Perfect, so upgrading would cause a lot of compatibility issues.

Re:Windows fragmentation? (2)

JimDabell (42870) | about 12 years ago | (#3840924)

Ever thought that a) may be related to b)? The IT department are the ones who will get the bollocking if they decide to upgrade everyone, and things stop working. After all if it ain't broke...

Re:Windows fragmentation? (2)

Xaoswolf (524554) | about 12 years ago | (#3840952)

We are just now getting Win2k workstations here, our servers are still NT 4.0. Most of our users are still on WIN 95, which microsoft dropped a while ago. I don't really see us buying all the 2000 liscenses tommorrow, but when we get new computers, they will be running 2000.

Ohhh, isn't capitalism fun? (1, Funny)

Pig Hogger (10379) | about 12 years ago | (#3840816)

... only when you're a monopolist?

Re:Ohhh, isn't capitalism fun? (0)

NullStream (121401) | about 12 years ago | (#3840835)

As the lady from Pi said:
"Survival of the fittest Max. And we've got the fucking gun!"

Re:Ohhh, isn't capitalism fun? (2, Funny)

Dwarfgoat (472356) | about 12 years ago | (#3840918)

Ahhh...yes. The proper verb tense is "shat." God cares no more about the E-Coli you shat this morning.

Shat. A wonderful word falling into disuse. THAT's the true pity.

What?! They haven't released a XP server version? (2, Offtopic)

Mustang Matt (133426) | about 12 years ago | (#3840818)

They haven't released any sort of XP server have they?

Re:What?! They haven't released a XP server versio (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840948)

HOw is that an "interesting" post. He spat out 10 words that is unrelated to this story since they are obviously talking about desktop computers.

Not long now... (2, Troll)

stevens (84346) | about 12 years ago | (#3840820)

Once you've accepted the EULA that allows them to install/uninstall software at will and disable software you installed, you're caught.

Lots of people at work have been asking me about desktop unices since the latest crap from MSFT. I just hope that open source software is legal in most countries in a couple of years when MSFT springs enforced DRM on the populace.

Re:Not long now... (1)

heimotikka (588619) | about 12 years ago | (#3840937)

I just hope that open source software is legal in most countries in a couple of years...

I just hope that MS-software is illegal in most countries in a couple of years...

Server vs. Professional (5, Interesting)

gripdamage (529664) | about 12 years ago | (#3840821)

Since M$ doesn't even have a replacement server product one can assume this is either false, or the reporter is talking about Windows 2000 Pro only (not Server) and failed to get his facts straight.

Re:Server vs. Professional (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840958)

Another one. When is the last time you bought a server with an OS pre-installed? Server licensing is any entirely different ballgame. You don't just buy a server with Windows 2000 and that is the end of it. You have to buy licenses for each concurrent user.

Killer combination (2, Funny)

Fernando Scandolo (586340) | about 12 years ago | (#3840823)

MS has asked OEM to stop immediately the shipment dual-boot systems running Win2k/WinXP Could someone point out why in the world would anyone order such a dreadful combination ? As if Win2K or WinXP don't cause enough headaches on their own...

Retire (3, Funny)

rattler14 (459782) | about 12 years ago | (#3840826)

Actually Win2K was forced into early retirement. The boss kept catching him crashing at his desk and leaving the backdoor open.

windows XP in my company (4, Interesting)

kipple (244681) | about 12 years ago | (#3840827)

No way I'm going to run XP within my company. It's an OS that I don't trust, and haven't had the chance to learn well (and don't want to).

So either I'm going to buy a couple dozen licenses of win2k soon,

OR

I'm going to use the existing licenses and don't care at all about licensing (call it non-violent resistance, whatever)

OR

I'm going to start spreading linux on desktop OSes.

Plus, I don't want to upgrade to the Software Assurance thing, 'cause it's going to cost much more and it's not worthed (office 2000 is WAY better than office XP, and I don't want to upgrade - same for win2k/winXP) if you don't want to upgrade.

In any way, Microsoft will lose one of its customers. And I think I won't be the only one.

Anyone else taking care of a network of more than a couple dozen PCs does think like me?

MS stock drops 30 points (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840920)

San Jose, CA -- Linux lovers around the world have finally decided to stop buying Microsoft's flagship product, Windows, say Microsoft representatives. "They said they don't trust us anymore. We understand why they might never have trusted us, but we've only gotten better lately. Anything they've heard isn't new, it's just new to them."

Linux fans disagree. "Microsoft wasn't too bad, until they started trying to prevent piracy," lamented one geek buying Red Hat at a local Best Buy.

Microsoft expects revenue to drop by 60%, since Linux users account for practically all desktop sales of Windows. "It's a crippling blow. I hope I still have a job next week," commented a Microsoft programmer.

Re:windows XP in my company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840923)

Same setiments here, a dozen servers and 800 desktops and we refuse to upgrade past Windows 2000 and Office 2000 on the desktop (when we get that finally rolled out). We may get a very nice k12 discount from MS, but won't upgrade because of all the crap MS is putting out.

Re:windows XP in my company (4, Informative)

trazom28 (134909) | about 12 years ago | (#3840953)

Wow..that's quite the "I don't like it and I don't wanna even try it" attitude. I use it for my home business.. runs fairly well *if* you tweak it right, like any program. Got a good friend who took the plunge and updated his machines at his company.. about 40 in his building.. works very smoothly *shrug*

It's like anything.. if you can take the time and get it all done right.. it works great. If you slap it on a workstation and pray it works.. you get what you get.

Been using 2k since Dec 1999 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840829)

And never looked back. Even on my 'old' 366 MHz machine it runs beautifully. At work on my Pentium 3 Machine Windows 98 chugs along, and I must crash it 3 or 4 times a day.

But since I'm taking a day off I can enjoy Windows 2000 :-)

Re:Been using 2k since Dec 1999 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840917)

You're obviously enjoying some weed as well.

Zoober

You must crash it? (1)

cnelzie (451984) | about 12 years ago | (#3840933)


That reminds me of a Dilbert comic...

The PHB is holding a meeting about how they only planned on having 26 or so injuries the year before. In retrospect, it turned out to be to high a number as they had to injure a number of employees just to reach that goal...

-.-

Um... M$ ain't gonna make us upgrade (2, Funny)

SuperCal (549671) | about 12 years ago | (#3840830)

I bet the can't make my company upgrade. I'm still trying to get them to upgrade to 95.

Re:Um... M$ ain't gonna make us upgrade (2)

gosand (234100) | about 12 years ago | (#3840947)

I bet the can't make my company upgrade. I'm still trying to get them to upgrade to 95.

Good Lord, man, WHY!?

Doesn't come as a surprise to me (2)

cecil36 (104730) | about 12 years ago | (#3840832)

Microsoft knows how to make money, so they'll just force all Win2000 users to upgrade to XP, and at the same time, have them replace all of their peripherals that are not XP compatible. My mom has a Canon printer (I forget the model number) that I tried to install on XP Pro. After researching the web, I found a statement at Canon's website stating that this particular printer is not supported in WinXP. Oh well, sucks to be a M$ user.

Re:Doesn't come as a surprise to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840901)

First of all, moron, there is nothing saying that Microsoft is forcing users to upgrade. It is saying that if you want to buy a new computer from one of the major vendors you have to buy it with XP. Also, did your mother previously use Windows 9X? There are many printers that don't work with NT based os's because of HAL.

Re:Doesn't come as a surprise to me (2)

Oculus Habent (562837) | about 12 years ago | (#3840934)

Hardware vendors seem to be falling into Microsoft's scheme of constant upgrade, too. "Sure, your printer is only 2 years old, and will last another 4, but we don't support that printer, it hasn't been produced in a year, and we have to focus on our newer products."

We need a universal printer language for inkjets - this 4MB driver crap with special monitoring software for the print job, the printer activity, the printer cable, etc. is a waste of everyone's time. If they really want to bug us, they could just use Clippit for their interactive help.

Disturbing (5, Interesting)

MrBlack (104657) | about 12 years ago | (#3840833)

As a Microsoft developer I find this very disturbing. I think Windows 2000 is a very capable operating system for desktop use and small servers. My brief experiences with XP are that it is a little flakey(er?) than 2K, and all that WPA-invasion-of-privacy Gestapo crap makes me feel sick in the pit of my stomach. I use both Win2K and Linux at home (primarily Win2K) but I can see the day where the devide between my "home" computing life and my "work" computing life (which is all M$) will become like night and day. What about Win2K server? .NET server hasn't even hit the shelves yet AFAIK (or if it has it is still VERY new and unproved). Time to learn Java.

Re:Disturbing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840895)

As a Microsoft developer I find this very disturbing.

And yet you keep developing for the Microsoft platform.

Re:Disturbing (3, Insightful)

The Dobber (576407) | about 12 years ago | (#3840942)

Why not? If someones gonna pay you for it, then by all means have at it.

Re:Disturbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840943)

95% of the population used Microsoft... so yeah he keeps developing for ther Microsoft platform... some people like to eat.

FlooD GateS OpeN (0, Insightful)

tlh1005 (541240) | about 12 years ago | (#3840837)

How much of the Earth's resources will be wasted broadcasting how MS sucks and why this is wrong? I love it when an MS story gets posted here.....

BTW, one post was sufficient enough for whatever racist idiot posted first, please don't dignify it with anymore replies.

Riiiiight (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840838)

I guess if people aren't compelled to upgrade based on XP's own merits, Microsoft will force them to. Too bad most end-users aren't aware XP doesn't hold a hell of a lot over 2k, nor of the restrictive licensing scheme, nor the We-KNOW-Where-You're-Going-Today activation process.

Re:Riiiiight (2)

night_flyer (453866) | about 12 years ago | (#3840931)

force me to? Im still running win 98, they didnt force me to go to ME, 2000, or XP (though I do have a few 2k boxes). They cant "Force" me to do anything, If I wanted to I coule load DOS 6.22 and win 3.11 on my PIII and they couldnt stop me!

Well (1)

HiQ (159108) | about 12 years ago | (#3840840)

So go figure, you'll pay (and you will, you will) for free arrows in the chest.
Not if you hold a nice, fat penguin in front of you!

No big suprise (2)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | about 12 years ago | (#3840842)

It's been a long time coming, and quite frankly, those of us in the Windows world are pretty suprised it hasn't happened already. It's non-news.

But then, The Register never misses an opportunity to write an article that makes MS look corrupt and evil. A lot like some other websites I know.

Re:No big suprise (2)

elmegil (12001) | about 12 years ago | (#3840871)

Maybe you could explain how this policy doesn't add further fuel to the "microsoft is corrupt and evil" fire then?

For the record, I'm still running my same old copy of win98SE. Works great, no nasty privacy invasions that I have to disable.

Quite right, too. (0)

Observer (91365) | about 12 years ago | (#3840843)

Who would possibly want to run an obsolete version of Windows(tm) that doesn't automatically phone home to check for this week's security patches?

--
Security patch, n. See EULA

Dual Boot Context: Only at first load (5, Informative)

OptimizedPrime (558992) | about 12 years ago | (#3840849)

We get a lot of compaq desktops where I work with a "dual boot" on startup, but its not a dual boot in the same way that a linux/win2k dual boot syustem works. What happens is that you choose which OS you want to run the first time you start the computer, and the system then deletes the other one. The computer comes with a license for XP that can be downgraded to use with 2000, but not licenses for both. I believe some other OEMS do a similar dual boot, which seems to be what this is referring to. Disallowing this practice would mean that the consumer would be forced to load 2k themselves, rather then having it come preconfigured.

Re:Dual Boot Context: Only at first load (1)

Launch (66938) | about 12 years ago | (#3840881)

Wouldn't it be nice if a reporter at the register actually gave some details on their articles that made it clear what they were talking about???

I wonder how much money companies like compaq save with this type of setup, do you think stoping the pre-installed dual boot sytems would really mean these companies will no longer find it cost effective to ship 2k?

Or else what? (5, Funny)

suss (158993) | about 12 years ago | (#3840853)

so your choice now is either to upgrade to XP or else...
  1. Or else they're going to give you some cement overshoes?

  2. Or else they'll kill this puppy?
    Or else the penguin on your tv will explode?
And ofcourse the winning answer:

Or else you'll switch to Linux?

Good! (1)

taloobie (537189) | about 12 years ago | (#3840855)

This is a good move on their part. Forcing a move to one platform should help with a lot of things on their side and the consumer side. If they only have to focus on one release they should be able to catch more of the problems, produce better patches, and reduce confusion about which OS is for business/home/enterprise...

It also means competitors have only one standard to compete against. Now (or will be shortly) it's just head to head Linux vs. XP vs. MacOS.

Then again, what does this say about MS when you retire OSes after only 2.5 years? I am one of the MS fans but this is getting a tad out of control. Should have just skipped 2000 altogether and given people XP.

Re:Good! (2)

danheskett (178529) | about 12 years ago | (#3840889)

Then again, what does this say about MS when you retire OSes after only 2.5 years? I am one of the MS fans but this is getting a tad out of control. Should have just skipped 2000 altogether and given people XP.
Just an interesting point, but it will only be stopped being sold on new PCs - it will be sold retail style and through licensing schemes for quite a long time; until 2004 or somewhere thereabouts.

Ofcourse - it is Stable! (1)

Yousef (66495) | about 12 years ago | (#3840856)

It was obvious! Microsoft can't have their name tainted by such a (relatively) stable product on offer!
I knew it couldn't last. The first and only Windows OS that didn't crash for fun and they decide to discontinue it!

planned obsolescence (1)

T.Monk (585143) | about 12 years ago | (#3840857)

this is pretty par for microsoft, gotta keep things moving, gotta keep the cash-flow going..

which is why i won't buy an Xbox... They've barely just released it and are already looking to "better deal" it. Sony on the other hand wants to milk every dime out of the PS2.. They're still milking the PS1!

While i can appreciate the economics of not wanting to keep supporting older software, win2k is the most stable i've seen out of MS in quite some time... They might be better going with it for a bit..

Imaging isn't that bad (1)

KingFoo (175702) | about 12 years ago | (#3840858)

Though this is irritating, it's not that tough to set up an image (even with product activation). I was wondering how they would lure enterprise users to switch to Windows XP considering the nebulous features for corporate users.

It's Official; (4, Funny)

stevenbee (227371) | about 12 years ago | (#3840859)

The Register confirms: Win2K is dying

;-)

Even Less Choice (1)

ShwAsasin (120187) | about 12 years ago | (#3840868)

My god, now their giving you less choice of their own operating systems. God bless Microsoft.

Really? (1, Troll)

onion2k (203094) | about 12 years ago | (#3840873)

Only if you're ordering systems running Microsoft Windows, though

Thank you very much Slashdot for pointing out the completely and utterly obvious, while still attempting to get a little dig at MS. It must be a day ending in a Y.

Probably bull$hit (2, Interesting)

billcopc (196330) | about 12 years ago | (#3840878)

Microsoft sets a 5-year lifetime on all their OS products. Windows 98 is just about up now. Windows 2000 will therefore officially die (on paper) sometime in late 2004/early 2005. We all know Bill would like to sell us another hojillion copies of WinXP, but the truth is that the support contracts for Win2K are still valid for another couple of years. They can't just pull the plug like this, it opens them up to an easy class-action lawsuit. Although that wouldn't hurt their 40? billion bank account much, it would surely throw around an imperial storm cruiser-load of bad press and maybe finally take CNN's eyes off Pakistan.

This isn't like some little free util going from freeware to cripple-ware or some other triviality. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of corporate users with long-winded paperwork to cover their asses against Microsoft. It's much more profound than the usual "This software has no warranties whatsoever" EULA trite.

Erk! (3, Redundant)

Mr_Silver (213637) | about 12 years ago | (#3840883)

This worries me somewhat. For the record I use Windows 2000 on the desktop and I'm perfectly happy with it (to the point of being accussed of trolling [slashdot.org] by some idiot who couldn't read).

I see no real need to go to XP. Win2K does everything I need and pretty well. If I want development I fire up Linux and if I want games I run a bare bones cut down version of Win95 (with latest directx) which runs like the clappers.

I can sort of understand why Microsoft want to do this, reduction of support costs, push to get people to move over to a largely unsucessfully taken up OS (saturation point has been reached where people have everything they want and don't see a need to upgrade) but at the same time I think that their 3 year support cycle is becoming more and more of an inconveniance - especially with this saturation.

Now I've not really fiddled with XP that much, but is there anything really in there that would make Win2k people go "oooh oooh gotta upgrade now"? I was having a hard time finding anything.

Re:Erk! (1)

rixkix (205339) | about 12 years ago | (#3840945)

Remote desktop is the main reason I put up with it.

don't worry... (1)

tapped_spine (590735) | about 12 years ago | (#3840886)

9 months is plenty to get the latest DRM on your box... Linux - those who can, DO - those who can't, use windoze

Dropped Support (4, Informative)

Skidge (316075) | about 12 years ago | (#3840887)

On a related note, did anyone else get this when they started up Internet Explorer this morning?


Thank you for your interest in Windows Update

Windows Update is the online extension of Windows that helps you get the most out of your computer.

The latest version of Windows Update is only available on computers that are running Microsoft Windows 2000 or Windows XP.


I'm running Win98 and IE6 at work (web dev for clients that mainly use IE).

Re:Dropped Support (1)

stevenbee (227371) | about 12 years ago | (#3840894)

Yeah, don't worry bout that, you can still go to windows update manually......just can't use the (better) new one

You're all looking at this the wrong way. (3, Interesting)

Matey-O (518004) | about 12 years ago | (#3840890)

Really.

Our shop is about 30% into our Active Directory Migration, Windows 2000 server based with XP clients logging in. (Say what you will, XP's security isn't AS BIG a deal if you've got a properly designed -- and segmented -- network)

Migrating off Windows 2000 workstation should be something you're already doing - not keeping a proactive upgrade policy is just ASKING for trouble. (How is this any different from cycling your hardware out every three years for desktops and every two years for laptops? That's been a standard business practice for a very long time.)

In any event, the forced continual upgrade path for Microsoft products and OS's keeps me employed and keeps me learning new stuff. It also makes those residual Windows 9x boxes in our department look even more prime for replacement. Management has dictated that those machines stay in place for political reasons...Our being able to say 'look, _Microsoft_ hasn't supported 9X for X years' helps us move those boxes forward.

saddenning (4, Interesting)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | about 12 years ago | (#3840893)

What saddens and bothers me most is that the brass at big companies that use a lot of offices and computers, but aren't actually software or silicon valley type companies don't have a clue about what MSFT is trying to rope them into.

Where I work, we are still on NT4 and (thankfully) Office97 so there is no WPA in the system yet.

The thing is, even if I went to my supervisor (which I already have) about such issues, the highest brass don't want advice even from their more technically oriented underlings. They just don't care or know enough to realise that they are getting hosed.

Only in 5 years they will feel the noose tightening around their neck and by that point, it will be VERY hard to switch to other platforms, even though I expect that Linux will be very advanced by that time in comparison to today.

This is just flat wrong... (2)

SkyLeach (188871) | about 12 years ago | (#3840898)

They are doing this because most businesses, including ours, have not standardized windows XP yet. Many of us are concerned about the effects of XP's DRM software and draconian EULAs.

I can only hope that stuff like this has the opposite effect, pushing management away from microsoft altogether instead of towards it (like M% hopes).

98 (1)

AlgUSF (238240) | about 12 years ago | (#3840906)

I am still running the copy of Win '98 that was pre-loaded on my PII - 400Mhz PC. That is my windoze box, all of my newer machines are running linux. Thank god some of us aren't into the whole complain about windows, upgrade, rinse and repeat (forever!).

Re:98 (2)

bdowne01 (30824) | about 12 years ago | (#3840949)

What?! You haven't had to reload it yet?? :)

OEMs (2)

HappyPhunBall (587625) | about 12 years ago | (#3840910)

How is that OEMs have so completely become Microsoft's whipping post? They are nothing more than MS's distribution channel. It would seem that OEMs would have some say in what they ship would it not? Unless MS declares that Win2K is no longer available for purchase, why can't vendors ship what their customers want? Ugh, no more MS posts today please, they are ruining my coffee.

What can we do? (5, Interesting)

oyenstikker (536040) | about 12 years ago | (#3840915)

It used to be, when my [non-geek] friends asked me what kind of computer to buy, I told them to play around with Windows 95/98/2k and MacOS, and go with whatever they feel more comfortable with. (Yeah, I know this post will get modded down because I don't push *n?x, but they wouldn't be able to or want to use it.) If the only Microsoft option is Windows XP I'll just tell them to go buy and iMac or iBook. Microsoft isn't going to change its practices unless people STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS.

Ah, but for businesses (1)

jlrowe (69115) | about 12 years ago | (#3840926)

For business and industry that do their own installs, as mine does, Win 2k will seem to go on forever. Nothing will change here for some time.

And hopefully, XP and the Eula nightmare will start folks on their *upgrade* to Linux in the next couple of years.

Apple and Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3840939)

BLOW GOATS(tm) and you all knew that from the start.

This is going to be a huge pain in the... (1)

zoomba (227393) | about 12 years ago | (#3840944)

As a system admin and tech support guy for a department at my University, this is going to be a massive pain in the arse as I have several dozen PhDs to deal with who buy new computers fairly regularly... but they want the machines to talk to all of their specialized equipment... but the equipment vendors don't support XP. Already, I can't purchase additional copies or licenses of 2000 from the Univ. software store, so we're already starting to run into limits...

What are those of us who HAVE to support and use 2k supposed to do if it's no longer an available option?

:-( So long my friend... It's been fun. (1)

jmpresto_78 (238308) | about 12 years ago | (#3840946)

"So long" to one of the best MS OS's that I have worked with. Win2k Pro fit my windows needs perfectly. And has only BSOD'd on my laptop 2 times in the past 2 years. I wouldn't trade my linux for the world but forcing windows people to XP sucks. A friend and I tried to set up an XP intranet... The computers wouldn't even look at each other.
When my office told me they were moving to XP from NT4 (SP4!!), I laughed. They didn't understand what I found to be so humorous...
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