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Carp-Free Independent Music Labels

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the healthy-choice dept.

Music 142

robkill writes "The actions and intentions of the RIAA have been under close scrutiny in the folk music community as well as Slashdot. In addition to Janis Ian's article previously featured here on Slashdot, guitarist Harvey Reid has an article on the importance of internet radio for the independent music community. Besides posting a number of good links, he has started a signup webpage for independent artists and music labels who are interested in circumventing the CARP fee. Right now, it's only a mailing list for Artists and Record Labels who want to see internet radio succeed. So if you own the copyrights on some independent music, why not join the list? For the rest of us, it's a good list of musicians to support."

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I pay. (-1)

Cryptopotamus (460702) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878199)

I pay for all my music. So there.

I love Backstreet Boyz.

Re:I pay. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878209)

I pushed him.

Aerosol Hair Remover (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878343)

There was this commercial on for aerosol hair remover. Like, this spray that you would spray onto your hairy bits and shazam! they're not hairy anymore.

Wild.

Perfect Kiss (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878202)

New Order - Perfect Kiss

I stood there beside myself,
Thinking hard about the weather
Then came by a friend of mine
Suggested we go out together
Then I knew it from the start:
This friend of mine would fall apart
Pretending not to see his gun,
I said "let's go out and have some fun"
I know, you know, you believe in a land of love
I know, you know, we believe in a land of love

I have always thought about
Staying here and going out
Tonight I should have stayed at home,
Playing with my pleasure zone
He has always been so strange,
I'd often thought he was deranged
Pretending not to see his gun,
I said "let's go out and have some fun"
I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
I know, you know, we believe in a land of love

When you are alone at night
You search yourself for all the things
That you believe are right
If you give it all away
You throw away your only chance to be here today
Then a fight breaks out on your street
You lose another broken heart in a land of meat
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death

carp?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878204)

Carp is ok, but I like flounder better. And Bass is the best.

Oh, fp.

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878205)

Once again, this article is claimed for the .test community!

Fear us!

Here is the version WITH carp: (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878207)

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carpflooding, eh? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878453)

I told you , damnit!

Stop looking at this!

Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (3, Interesting)

billatq (544019) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878216)

Quite Frankly, the RIAA's business practices make me sick. It seems that they try to make money off of everything that we listen to, while squelching the alternatives that we might listen to through another medium. They seem to want to copy-protect everything, throw fair use out the window, and then charge everyone royalties for what amounts to them as free promotion. I hope more artists sign up for this.

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (2, Interesting)

pheared (446683) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878239)

It's called, "Being a business in a capitalist world." If you want businesses to look out for Jon Q. Consumer's interests, to take care of his well-being, and to make sure he gets enough food each week, form a Socialist community. Until then, don't be surprised when you find out that every GM of the world is only concerned with how much money they can get from you.

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878369)

If you want businesses to look out for Jon Q. Consumer's interests, to take care of his well-being, and to make sure he gets enough food each week, form a Socialist community.

And has history has shown so well socialist communites (at least the ones who are socialist by the force of law) have done so, so well.

There's nothing like the loss of free will to make me feel equal to everyone else (hey, we're all equal... equally screwed)

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878985)

And has history has shown so well socialist communites (at least the ones who are socialist by the force of law) have done so, so well.
Yeah, it's pretty nice here in Europe, without the oh-so-groovy capitalists of Enron and Arthur Anderson. Have fun while your markets crash, losers!

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878252)

Are you sure you want to stick out with such a unique and controvercial viewpoint? I don't know if the rest of the slashherd will agree with you.

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (3, Insightful)

billatq (544019) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878504)

Well--I'm not advocating socialism, but I don't think any single entity (and a non-governmental one, at that) should have this degree of control of the the type of music that we listen to and what we are and aren't able to do with the content in which we have legally purchased licenses. Not to mention, what happens when you aren't part of RIAA's big scheme of things? You can't exactly depend on a file sharing service to help promote your music, as they keep shutting the damn things down.

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (2, Insightful)

blitziod (591194) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878670)

well then stop supporting them. Every time you buy a record from a big company you put oney in the RIAA's pocket. Write letters to small labels , indie music magz and the like saying we will buy no corperate media. Hell right letters to sony and BMG too, maybe they will get the hint. If people can be shamed into veganism and not wearing fur, maybe they can be shamed into NOT buying shitty music.

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (1)

NateDAC (590743) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878607)

I have to say that as a listener of not-quite-so-mainstream music, I support the idea of a coalition for independent musicians. The majority of the music I listen to on a regular is either independent musicians (stuff from remix.kwed.org), or music by artists who have long since died (i.e. classical). On this same note, I've got several songs in my collection from artists I've never heard of prior to file sharing.

The file I'm listening to right now as I write this is none other than the tune from the infamous Bubble Bobble, as performed by a high-school band/orchestra.

Life was simpler before RIAA and DMCA and CARP (CRAP? Yes I read it that way the first time as well) and all these other four-letter acronyms. I don't even KNOW what CARP means, I haven't kept track of all these laws and changes lately, except it's yet another way to keep me from hearing music via whatever method works best for me at any given time.

Our Fight, Not Necessarily the Artists' (5, Insightful)

donnacha (161610) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878632)

I hope more artists sign up for this.

Hell, I don't want my favorite artists distracting themselves with this business bullshit, unless being a fighter is part of what they already are, like Ani diFranco [righteousbabe.com] or Courtney Love [holemusic.com]. Life is too short, time too scarce for the few genuinely talented artists we have to go running off on tangents.

This is a battle that we, the consumers, should be fighting. If we decide, en masse, not to play the RIAA's game, what the Hell can they do.

Can I suggest that PeerCast [peercast.org] (as discussed on /. [slashdot.org] earlier) is a very good place to start.

And, remember, if we really want to stop these bastards shagging us, we must always remember that our participation in P2P has to be about growing a new, fairer system, not just getting our hands on free stuff.

Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (1)

blitziod (591194) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878662)

can you imagine if all the idie artists sign for this? It will basicly increase the gap between indie and corperate. most net radio will be indie and it will abound. Indie music will become popular and then the corperate world will have to change to their model to compete!

IMHO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878233)

ehm... pork is good

"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (5, Funny)

John_Booty (149925) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878241)

Anybody else read the headline this way?

Wishful thinking, I guess!

Re:"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878253)

ltrol [ltrol.com]

Re:"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (3, Funny)

idfrsr (560314) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878285)

heh.

real wishful thinking would be: CRAP-Free RIAA Music Labels

Yeah... (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878693)

But I've eliminated a lot of crap from my music listening experience by simply tuning out of the Clearchannel stations. Unfortunately the only ones they don't own in my area are NPR stations. Hmm. Better not give them any ideas...

I was hoping that internet radio would give me a way out of this Clearchannel owned Hell, but CARP pretty much shot down any hope of that. There are a lot of good indie artists though, so maybe this means there will still be some hope...

Re:Yeah... (-1)

bitchslapboy (193543) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878965)

Clear Channel just plays the same stuff that any other radio station would play. Don't diss them. Blame the RIAA for failing to develop good pop music.

Re:"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878992)

You sir, are a terrorist.

The FBI will be at your door shortly.

Re:"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (2)

scumdamn (82357) | more than 11 years ago | (#3879024)

Damn! I was just checking to see if anyone had posted this because it's exactly what I thought the headline was.
I also was expecting some +1 Funny mod points. :(

Re:"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (1)

freeefalln (541648) | more than 11 years ago | (#3879032)

wishful thinking nothing. the best music out there today is on idependant music labels.. not shit RIAA labels.

Hopefully this new trend... (4, Insightful)

idfrsr (560314) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878244)

won't fall by the wayside. It will take artists and musicians to make internet radio, and downloadable music something that we can all enjoy for a long time to come. We can huff and puff all we want, but they are ones who have to lead the charge for anything to change for the better.

Re:Hopefully this new trend... (3, Insightful)

telbij (465356) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878470)

Yes, but they need our money, and lots of it, otherwise they'll end up starving and turn to the record companies.

Re:Hopefully this new trend... (3, Insightful)

e-gold (36755) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878932)

I don't think it'll take lots of money to out-do what the RIAA gives musicians. What it WILL take is a new way of looking at how-to-get-paid (and how-to-pay) that can eliminate the bottleneck between artist and consumer. (Yes, as always, I have a financial interest in a certain way to do this.) It shouldn't take a giant corporation's help to let a musician ask for money (either tips, or pay-per-download) because our side doesn't have layers of management who require (as Courtney Love puts it) all those trips to "Scores."

For an example of what I'm talking about, see www.radsfans.net [radsfans.net] (and hopefully others soon). I again offer anyone here a small click of e-gold (not much, but enough to test) so you can try it for free. I want programmers to use e-gold, so please take advantage. Thanks.
JMR

(I speak only for Jim Ray [free-market.net], nobody else wants to admit this stuff anyway.)

royalties on everything? (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878257)

I don't understand do they still pay royalities if the station doesn't play their music?

The worst part, I think is the retroactive part. Isn't that an ex post facto law?

Well, if internet radio takes off then the RIAA will have to pay them to play their music anyway.

Re:royalties on everything? (1)

andyring (100627) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878296)

Well, you've got ClearChannel controlling what we listen to on the radio, so.....

Re:royalties on everything? (1)

enota (592686) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878463)

I agree with you that retroactive fees stink, but they are legal. Ex post facto only covers criminal laws. All other laws and ordinances can be made retroactive. (like when tax laws are changed)

speaking of independents (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878267)

How com VA seems to be the only advertiser on Slashdot? Doesn't seem to say a lot about how well the ads on slashdot are going. OK, I'm exagerating, I see a think geek ad every once in awhile too.

Re:speaking of independents (1)

Compenguin (175952) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878281)

How com VA seems to be the only advertiser on Slashdot? Doesn't seem to say a lot about how well the ads on slashdot are going. OK, I'm exagerating, I see a think geek ad every once in awhile too.

Think Geek is owned by VA.

Re:speaking of independents (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878288)

I know... It was sarcasm, it went along with the "Doesn't seem to say a lot about how well the ads on slashdot are going"

Re:speaking of independents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878312)

I see lots of Google ads.

Where to buy ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878271)

CD's from this band of independents ?

I basically stopped buying music in the late 70's
after Dire Strait's "Sultans of Swing" because
it became so boring.

Hmmm, real musicians performing real music -
reminds me of the school reunions we organized
in the late 70's, early eighties, with bands
trying to imitate "Stairway to heaven" with two
real wooden flutes !

Go, music, go !

Toon Moene.

Re:Where to buy ... (2)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878362)

I emailed him about it. Hopefully you'll see a change soon. Until then, I can give you the info for one of them--it's in my sig...

another page you all should visit... (5, Informative)

Transcendent (204992) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878283)

inetprogramming.com is a website for independent music artists... there is a very long and detailed page about the rate ruling, and links for you to send a fax to congress about making legislation to save the smaller stations as well...

I tried putting this in an article, but got rejected, so I hope a lot of people read this and send in a fax... I don't want to loose my favorite internet radio station...

http://inetprogramming.com/notice.html [inetprogramming.com]

Can anyone recommend some internet radio stations? (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878287)

What the subject says. I mostly like rock and metal. I presently find new bands by watching a public access show that plays metal videos. Interestingly enough, the host is even bigger and sexier than me.

Re:Can anyone recommend some internet radio statio (1)

idfrsr (560314) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878316)

I am currently using: live365 [live365.com].

There tons of differents genres to listen too.

Re:Can anyone recommend some internet radio statio (3, Interesting)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878402)

I broadcast on live365 [slashdot.org] (a damn good service I must say) but even those poor buggers have gotten the shaft by CARP. Their solution has been to levy a $5 monthly fee across the entire live365 lineup. I must say I can't blame them, they're trying to spread the hurt around as evenly as possible, but it does mean that you can't run a CARP free feed thru them without handing money over to the RIAA.

I fear that this is what the RIAA wanted. Personally, I think CARP blows, but if the RIAA want to shoot themselves in the foot by all means they should be able to. But it looks like they'll be able to essentially shoot down any big time non-CARP radio feeds by simply being the 800lb gorilla in the music biz.

Who (in terms of a large, easy to use broadcaster like live365) are going to run the risk of not paying CARP fees for everything and run the risk of the RIAA coming down on them like a tonne of brinks is a CARP free stream broadcasts a CARP covered song by accident?

Re:Can anyone recommend some internet radio statio (1)

klingens (147173) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878534)

You can listen to a non-US radio station. European broadcasters have no CARP (yet).

There are public radiostations in Germany and Austria which are funded by mandatory fees from the citizens of these countries which also broadcast over the net.

Re:Can anyone recommend some internet radio statio (1)

blitziod (591194) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878687)

well on live 365 only the cheaper acounts pay the 5 bucks. The others for larger broadcasters actuallyhave to pay the real CARP fee. Of course the 75 $ a month broadcasters can also sell thier own ad space and not play live 365 ads. Live365.com only pays CARP royalties on songs by artists signed up with carp. If you have a NON CARP radio station, then that station does not create any CARP royalties. They will still have to pay the 5 bucks though. The 5 bucks does not cover the CARP royalties on many stations, just offset the cost. PLEASE if you have a nn CARP station, advertise it as such...hell SPAM it..this is one type of spam i would be GLAD to get in my MB.

Re:Can anyone recommend some internet radio statio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878678)

Sure I run one through Live365 that features indies from Chicago. I am looking for more artists and more listeners.

See www.goonsquadradio.com

"Crap-Free Independent Music Labels" (1, Redundant)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878328)


I think that Crap-Free Independent Music Labels would be a good idea.

Re:"Crap-Free Independent Music Labels" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878739)

If only there were some...

Just added my band (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878339)

Just added Dreamscapes Of The Perverse... I'm setting up an account here, be prepared to see another band (soon to be reallly famous :) ) make statements against the RIAA.

Ron

Riaa Rep too answer questions on zeropaid.com (5, Interesting)

Ender77 (551980) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878345)

From Zeropaid.com webside:

Got a Question for Hilary?

A representative of the RIAA has agreed to take some time out of their hectic court schedule and answer a few of our questions. Don't miss out on a chance to voice your opinion!

Re:Riaa Rep too answer questions on zeropaid.com (-1, Troll)

Call it a night (592684) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878382)

I got one for her. Hey, Hil baby, we still on for that three-way with Fritz tonight? Call me.

The artist formerly known as Jack Va1enti, whose account is a casualty of rate limiting.

RIAA Membership List (5, Informative)

abischof (255) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878372)

There's also the RIAA Membership List [boycott-riaa.com], which can serve as a good starting-point for labels to avoid.

Re:RIAA Membership List (1)

blitziod (591194) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878700)

you notice 4ad, epitath and project are a few of the "indie" lables that are on that list. Too bad I like bands on those labels. I also noted that alternative tentacles(jello biafra's label) was absent. WAY TO GO JELLO!

Re:RIAA Membership List (3, Insightful)

thales (32660) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878943)

Boycotting the RIAA means more than just not buying CDs. If you download music that is availble on RIAA labels all you are going to do is make yourselves look like a bunch of deadbeats that are too cheap to pay for entertainment. A Boycott involves having NOTHING to do with the RIAA. Don't buy it. Don't download it. Don't make it availble for downloading. Don't attend the concerts.

Write to the bands and tell them you are Boycotting RIAA labels and the reasons WHY, and urge them to sign with a non RIAA label. Leave Boycott messages on bands fan site message boards.

Extend the Boycott. If a company has non-music bussiness Boycott that too. Don't buy that Sony monitor, or TV or PS2. Don't go see that AOL/Time Warner movie. Drop AOL in the unlikely event a slashdotter is using the service. Don't watch AOL/TW stations on TV. If a company hires an artist that is signed to an RIAA label as a ad spokesman, write them and let them know you won't be purchasing their products.

Include the MPAA in the Boycott too.

You have a big advantage. The RIAA and the MPAA deal in a non vital product, entertainment. You won't die of music hunger or movie thirst if you boycott their products. Use it.

Don't worry about the artists being hurt in a boycott either. Are they worried that the RIAA's ploys are going to hurt you? Are they speaking out against copyright extensions and attempts to narrow the scope of fair use? If they aren't, why should you give a shit about them?

OT: karma (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878380)

Where did the karma count go? It doesn't give a number anymore!

Re:OT: karma (-1, Troll)

Call it a night (592684) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878461)

They've hidden the karma and rate limited the posts. These and editor moderation have eliminated the last pretention to free speech here, and turned Slashdot into a GLORIOUS FASCIST STATE! HEIL TACO!

Re:OT: karma (0, Offtopic)

acceleriter (231439) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878672)

Speaking of editor moderation, I just got slapped 10 points in the forbidden thread and a related one. Working my way to "Terrible" pretty quickly :)

Re:OT: karma QWZX (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878674)

Man, nothing makes me laugh harder than watching the trolls whine and cry whenever their "rights" are taken away.

Keep up the good work!

OK, that's enough praise from me. Get your ass back to work entertaining me.

Re:OT: karma QWZX (-1)

bitchslapboy (193543) | more than 11 years ago | (#3879023)

Our rights are just as important as anybody elses. If you claim to be for free speech, then be for free speech. Don't censor people for unpopular views. Limiting the number of postings does just that.

Re:OT: karma QWZX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3879042)

Dude, this is not a government. There is no such thing as "free speech" on a private web site. It's Taco's freaking web site, and he can sensor whoever he wants.

And yes, it's NOT hypocritical to be a strong proponent of government free speech, and an absolute dictator against crap speech on your own, private web site. Your free speech rights do NOT guarantee you a forum for your crap. If you don't like, make your own web site. No one is stopping you.

And yes, your rights are worth less than other's rights, because you don't contribute anything. Trolls don't get moderated down for "unpopular views", they get moderated down for being annoying.

I think Taco is amazingly tolerant of the idiots on this site. If it were my site, I'd delete all the crap postings.

Re:OT: karma QWZX (1)

acceleriter (231439) | more than 11 years ago | (#3879033)

Ha ha. I didn't say anything about "rights." It's about being what you claim. And /. claims to be a site in which the rating of posts is done by users. I doubt you'd see the trolls "whining" if the editors just owned up to the fact that they do what they damn well please, ban users, down-mod posts, whatever. But they pretend that they tie their own hands.

Hope you find this entertaining.

Interesting observation (1)

mofolotopo (458966) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878398)

The list in question was pretty much a Folk monoculture until the link was posted on /. Lots of different styles there at the bottom of the list.

Re:Interesting observation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878571)

Penis?

Re:Interesting observation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878580)

No thanks.

Rate limiting works great! (-1, Offtopic)

Call it a night (592684) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878451)

You sure showed those trolls, didn't you Taco. Better hide the extra parts for the servers before the repo man comes.

If you really want to help... (3, Insightful)

antirename (556799) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878532)

Hang out at live shows if you want to support your local unsigned bands. A lot of them are really quite good. Then, when you're buying their CD if you liked the music (this is about supporting the musician, remember) suggest CARP-free web radio. Leave them a card with a link to information, maybe your e-mail address (a lot of them will have mailing lists, questions, etc). I've mentioned mp3 archive sites and streaming audio to several guys here; none of them have done it yet but all of them were at least thinking about it. The local small time musicians know the problems in the industry a lot better than the geeks do, but geeks can at least make suggestions :)

support? (2, Interesting)

SirRichardPumpaloaf (563323) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878544)

I think I'll support musicians who make music that I like, even if their politics aren't always in lockstep with Slashdot. Is that okay?

Doubt you're alone (4, Interesting)

martissimo (515886) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878721)

I mean, you can read endless boycott the MPAA rants here on a regular basis, yet when Star Wars, Spidey, LOTR, etc come out you can also read these same people's takes on the plot twists, and how good they are.

I'm sure there are a few hardcore people who stand behind the principle of thoose boycotts they propose... but even here where most people are far more involved with their views about the **AA than is mainstream, i doubt a huge difference is actually made.

Personally i just do as you do, i saw SW-EP2 in the theatre, i have a pre-ordered copy of LOTR DVD at Amazon which will ship in August, same with the new Dave Matthews CD pre-order.

I despise the crazy bills that the **AA trys to get passed to inhibit our abilities to use a computer as we see fit, yet I still purchase the rare bits of appealing (too me, at least if you just wanna reply to criticize my tastes thats fine, but frankly i may think the same about your taste if so) stuff they put out.

And I know i'm not alone, when there is something out there I want... I get it. I'm no Gandhi, I will not starve myself (so to speak) to make a point, guess i'm just weak, but so be it.

Re:support? (2)

robkill (259732) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878848)

Hey, in my case at least, there are several artists on that list whom I like, so it's easy. The point is simply to encourage artists to stand for something that is in their best interest. It's about preserving a chance to be heard, so it's easier for people to discover artists they've never heard of, but might like.

An Association Named Sue (2)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878590)

For those who haven't heard it, check out my recording "An Association Named Sue [rootrecords.org]," based on this post [slashdot.org] by Yo Grark. It's all free, so it's not like I'm being a marketing jackass here.

I've also added a gif of an old pirate flag modified to reflect today's concerns. I think it'd make a great t-shirt, but I'm too busy with other stuff. Feel free to do whatever you want with it.

Sounds good, but ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878608)

I got turned off radio and most commercial music as much as 15 ago. I am a big fan of independent music as an alternative to the god-awful crap that the "music" industry has been force-feeding the general public for so many years. In the last few years the Internet has become a vehicle for me to find good independent artists (mostly via promotional sites like IUMA [iuma.com], etc., and the artists' own web sites) that I would never have found by conventional means. This has allowed me to rediscover some of the pleasure of good music. So, I would love to see Internet broadcasters pay far more attention to independent artists and build an alternative system (some of you may remember alternative radio before it was commoditized), where quality of content, not corporate dollars and monopolization, dictate what is played.

Having said that, I am very troubled by the following possible scenario:

What's to stop the RIAA Cartel, Clear-Channel and its ilk from sitting by quietly and letting others experiment, invent and grow a system and then, if it starts to take off, using their billions to buy/muscle their way in and take over? That is, use a very effective part of the Microsoft R&D model - let some one else spend the money to invent and innovate and then buy them/take them over or stomp them out of existence. Then we end up with the same mess or a worse mess than radio is in today on another medium. And, since (I believe that) Internet broadcasting is essentially an unregulated medium, it is probably ripe for widespread payola and other abuses.

Yes, non-native fish can be a problem (5, Funny)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878616)

Many of you may have heard about the problems that the (Asian) northern snakehead fish are causing in Maryland. What you may not know is that carp are also non-native to North America, but were introduced from the Old World in the 19th century. Therefore, I am glad that there is going to be carp free music labels. There are many native fish species that deserve to be supported instead.

Speaking of radio... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878628)

Why does Slashdot have a radio section [slashdot.org]? The most recent story in it was June 29th... 2001! Over a year with no activity. Time to close up shop perhaps?

CARP-free? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878649)

I'd rather have CRAP-free music labels. I would gladly play $0.02/song for music that didn't suck I go around the channels on Atlanta radio stations and they're all playing crap, and it's not even varied crap, its all the SAME CRAP>>>>!

You know what the problem... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878713)

...with the music industry is?
NIGGERS! God damned, mother fucking niggers!

The world won't be at peace until the last filthy nigger is gone from this world!

The "crappy product" issue (1)

RabeiUsura (572945) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878718)

There is a good point in the article... THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN THE COPY.. the problem is when there is people who doesn't really care about cool artwork, cool boxes or anything... they just want to hear the song, this people will always be copying without buying anything.. So IMHO the real problem is that there is a market segment (people that want music with crappy presentation at a low price) that is copying because the industry doesn't satisfy their quality-price needs... Well my final comment is that there always be a cheap bastard that will copy everything just because he can... but they will burn in hell anyway...

personally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878744)

While there is quite a bit of commercial music I enjoy, I can honestly say that my greatest musical experiences have been sitting down with a couple of friends and just jamming.

I honestly could care less what the music industry does, I'm always going to be able to sit around with friends and play.

Humanity has been doing it for centuries - if you've never done it, try it out you may be pleasantly surprised.

Statuatory License Free Music is coming (2, Informative)

mbone (558574) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878784)

There has been much discussion on the various webcaster lists about going "DMCA-free" - technically, to forgo the DMCA statuatory license. It's coming, thanks to the idiocy of the situation.

The SaveInternetRadio [saveinternetradio.com] group and the International Webcasters Association [webcasters.org] have a lot more information about the situation. Good stations such as SOMA-FM [somafm.com] have been forced from the air, and more are likely to fold.

However, there is a lot of good music out there that can be freely streamed. Some Internet stations, such as OntheI.com channel 2 [onthei.com], have always played freely availabled music, as has MP3.com [mp3.com]. It is important to remember that these stations are free of the CARP and DMCA restrictions and payments, much like open-source software is free of licensing restrictions.

I look for a new ecosystem to arise, akin to the open source movement, with music licensed freely to all, with returns coming from the sale of artifacts (DVD's, t-shirts, etc.), and concert tickets.

Damn right. (2)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878785)

Hopefully the labels used by SomaFM and others can sign up to this, and then we can get our Groove Salad back!

(p.s. CARP is still crap. I sent this fax [voiceofwebcasters.org] just now, you can too.)

Roger McGuinn: Free net.Music since 1995 (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878808)

Roger McGuinn [mcguinn.com], founder of the Byrds, has been giving away music on the net at the rate of one song per month since November 1995 at his Folk Den [ibiblio.org]. There you'll find a variety of styles and genres (folk, cowboy, celtic, blues, etc) as well as historic recordings like Roger playing John Henry" [ibiblio.org] in a 1959 recording.

Roger also testified before Congress in 2000 [senate.gov] about the devious ways of the music industry and in support of MP3s and net.music.

This has been rewarded too. Roger's CD, Treasures from the Folk Den [appleseedrec.com], was a Grammy Nominee for "Best Traditional Folk Album" this year.

-1, resubmit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878813)

You call this journalism?
Good god, man. Can't you even write a decent MLP?
This tripe wouldn't last five minutes at that other site [kuro5hin.org].
But I forgot, Slashdot editors don't have standards. S'cuse me.

It's good a business move (1)

puckhead (241973) | more than 11 years ago | (#3878995)

In fact it's probably the only business move most of these artists have available to them. The major labels are not going to foot the payola bill to get them on broadcast radio so the best chance they have of selling any music anywhere but off the card table at their shows is on the Internet.

I buy music I hear learn about on Net radio. Even if 99% of the listeners don't, it's still an increase in sales.

Jews run MPAA, RIAA, Hollywood, Network TV (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3878996)

Have you ever noticed how the Jews are at the forefront of those trying to restrict our rights:
  • Rosen
  • Coble
  • Berman
  • Eisner
  • Redstone
The Jews never create anything. They are the parasites who wedge themselves between the the producer and the consumer. The Jew takes a slice of every pie that passes by. What the Jew hates is that the Internet is cutting him off from his host. The artists can now distribute directly to their fans. The Internet has made the Jew irrelevant. So the Jew tries to buy the politician to do his bidding. The Jew tries to get bought politicians to pass bogus regulations in order to maintain Jew hegemony over the consumer.

[on by] A modest proposal by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3879021)

It seems that the Janitors, in their infinite wisdom, have banned people who have low/negative karma from posting more than twice per day. Personally I find this completely stupid.

All the trolls will simply post AC as I am doing now. Proxies can be used to get around any ipid bans that result from AC trolls.

Surely it is better to let the trolls post at -1 where it is out of most peoples way rather than have them all post at 0 and suck up mod points and time from "legit" users?

I have tried to communicate my thoughts to the slashcode team but alas, to no avail. They are probably all sittin on their starwars bed sheets watching anime hentai tentacle rape pr0n.

Here is my proposal: All trolls that cannot post using their account post as AC. Use proxies if need be (www.antiproxy.com [antiproxy.com] is a good source). I suspect this will show them how useless this idea is. Will blocking troll uid's stop trolls? NO! will ipid bans stop trolls? NO!

I seriously fail to see the point of this and consider it a stupid move by the janitors.

They want us to troll and crapflood at 0 rather than -1? Fine! So be it! No longer will we post at -1 where few people dare to visit, now we will post at 0 where we will be more visible and waste peoples time, energy and mod points! Hoorah!

The next thing you know, posting AC will be banned! Then what will you do? No more posting interesting insider tidbits! Groupthink all the way baby! oh yeah!

So logout, post shit, use proxies and above all have fun!

Let the games begin! -- on by

- poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix
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