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RoadRunner Blocking Use of Kazaa

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the remember-lessig's-morpheus-server dept.

Censorship 659

An anonymous reader submits: "You should know that RoadRunner is quietly blocking the use of Kazaa in certain markets. Particularly in Texas, they have some sort of port scanner in place which scans for Kazaa activity and then disables use of that port, rendering the program completely useless. Grokster, iMesh, and all other FastTrack programs are similarly affected. Yet RoadRunner is not disclosing the practice in any way. Not only that, I'm troubled by the possibility of them arbitrarily choosing to block other programs in the future. If this becomes more widespread, they will have many angry (and former) customers." The poster provides these four links to forum postings with more information: one; two; three; four.

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first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879678)

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Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

corebreech (469871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879684)

Story I submitted that got rejected follows. That slashdot refuses to carry this story tells me that the people who run it are whores. My karma here is worthless.

The New York Times [nytimes.com] tells us (after we register for free) that Gnutella developer Gene Kan has committed suicide. [nytimes.com] Let's see, he was young (25) and just over a year ago saw the company he started bought by Sun Microsystems [sun.com] . It would be wrong to jump to conclusions here. It would also be wrong to not start asking questions. Update: 07/11 23:45 GMT by corebreech [slashdot.org] : Missed this before, but news of his death was withheld until after the body was cremated.

Additional links:

CNN story [cnn.com]
San Jose Mercury News stories: Monday [bayarea.com] , Tuesday [bayarea.com] and Wednesday [bayarea.com]
Kan's web log [blogspot.com]
JXTA [jxta.org]
Free Republic discussion on Gene Kan [freerepublic.com]
Google search [google.com]

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879701)

They already reported it.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879744)

I must have missed the slashdot reporting, could you provide a link?

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879702)

Actually, you're the one who is worthless.
Kan was an obnoxious fuckup and its better that he's gone. Whats so great about creating a tool used for piracy?

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879797)

A suicide? No, methinks it was a job by a RIAA/MPAA hired hit man!

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879862)

Surely you're not suggesting that the Music Industry and Movie Moguls have links to Bad People? Well I for one am shocked, shocked to even think such thoughts.

Wouldn't that be something? Computer geeks running head-to-head with badasses who don't give a flying fsck about computers but believe billions of dollars are at stake? Guess who's gonna win.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879877)

Hackers! This is why we need to get the bad people computerized guns. You could hack into them, and have them backfire!

This is why Gnutella is useful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879690)

Got an open port? You can get a Gnutella connection. (Sure it may always be easy, but you can!).

If they keep doing this, people will just start encrypting their traffic and using non-standard ports, making it even harder to crack down on.

This isn't uncommon (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879691)

and people will bend over and take it. Don't think that just because we don't like it, people won't take what the monopolies give them

What to do??? (4, Insightful)

msaulters (130992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879692)

As a user of Roadrunner in Austin, I don't see that I have much choice. Yeah, I can dump them, but then who do I use for high-speed access? DSL is priced higher, has terrible performance in the area. In fact, most of the DSL users I know have switched to Roadrunner. On the other hand, if they start blocking all the programs that make high-speed access worthwhile, there's not much point in paying $40/month to use it.

Re:What to do??? (4, Insightful)

kurowski (11243) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879743)

what do you mean you don't have "much" of a choice? you have the quintisential (sp?) choice of the consumer: cheap, fast access through an isp with poor service, or more expensive, slower access through an isp that doesn't suck. most americans seem to go for the numbers- less money and more speed must be good, right? well, just keep thinking that way while you watch the utility of your net connection degrade until it's only good for viewing banner ads. then you'll regret the fact that the competition has gone under since nobody appreciates quality service...

not much of a choice... sheesh!

Re:What to do??? (3, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879816)

Often times the choice isn't between Cable and DSL, rather the choice is between Cable and Modem/T1/ISDN. Modem is of course almost unacceptably slow for people who become accustomed to Cablemodem speeds (or even dorm ethernet speed). ISDN and T1 tend to be priced in the stratosphere (and ISDN is frequently only somewhat faster than modem and priced per megabyte and minute.)

I know locally if ComCast wants to start screwing it's customers even worse than usual the only choice we'll have is to go back to modem. In case anybody has any illusions let me spell it out: modem sucks. I don't want to loose my cablemodem, and I don't know what I'll do if I start getting screwed too hard.

Re:What to do??? (1)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879834)

I'm using RR, and I'm in Round Rock (for those not in the know, you could spit in Round Rock and hit Austin) and am currently *on* the Grokster network..

Re:What to do??? (5, Interesting)

tonywong (96839) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879907)

Instead of limiting programs and ports, ISPs should implement another scheme that monitors your traffic amounts and limits the speed in inverse proportion to the amount that you've transferred.

That way they can run uncapped cable modems. Infrequent users get maximum speed and transfer rates, moderate users get moderate transfer rates, and heavy users (eventually) get slow transfer rates.

To avoid a congested high speed consumption situation, resets of the rates are done on a rolling basis so everyone has a different monthly reset. A web page should give you your current stats (up, down traffic, current speed cap, amount transferred, reset date etc.)

That way everyone can be happy, running servers or p2p apps, and if they want to use up all their high speed bandwidth they can be stuck with modem like speeds for the rest of the month without suspension of service. I think you'd find that people who are serving without concern for bandwidth will all of a sudden monitor their own traffic a lot more.

This also takes the ISP out of the content monitor police service and relegates them to a bandwidth metering service, which is all they and everyone else wants them to do.

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Legality (3, Interesting)

daemones (188271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879698)

At what point of blocking a person's internet capability does this become a breach of contract? Once people realize that I can swap files using HTTP, will they remove my ability to browse the web?

I don't have a contract handy, so if it's covered so be it; But if it _is_ in your contract then maybe you should re-think who you pay $50 a month.

Re:Legality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879707)

My ISP (Verizon) removed my (and everyone else in the former Bell Atlantic territory) ability to run a webserver on the standard port 80. Pain in the arse.

Re:Legality (5, Funny)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879740)

You are only supposed to use it for email and web access, and on the ports they designate for this. You aren't allowed to delete spams, or close popup ads.

Anyone doing anything else, is obviously an evil hacker, and thank god the good legislators in this country have realized that all hackers are terrorists. You're all evil.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic. The really annoying part though, is that I'm too close to the mark, in how these ISP's think...

Re:Legality (2)

WolfWithoutAClause (162946) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879763)

Some contracts have a no-server clause. In that case they would probably be allowed to block this program- P2P programs run as a server.

Re:Legality (2, Interesting)

Darth_Burrito (227272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879874)

Most Road Runner outlets have a no server clause. They've had one in the aup for at least 3 years. When I first signed up with them, I hadn't done my research. I asked the sales rep if I could host web/ftp servers and she said she didn't see why not. I asked the tech who installed the same question and he confirmed that it was ok to host servers. Later a friedn told me it was against the aup and sure enough it was. At one point I switched over to DSL and then back to Road Runner. Again I asked the Road Runner sales/techs the same question and they always said it was ok. The following is an excerpt from a nebraska branch of Road Runner. It looks like they may have different terms depending on what market you are in:

Road Runner AUP [cablelinc.com] 6. Customers are strictly prohibited from running server-based applications on Residential Road Runner accounts. This would include, without limitation to the running of HTTP Web servers, FTP servers, Gaming servers, SMTP and POP Mail servers, Domain Name Servers, Chat servers, etc.

When a business tells you one thing and then does something completely different after you become a subscriber, are there ever any consumer protections that kick in?

Big deal (0)

electricmonk (169355) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879703)

Nobody forces anyone to use RoadRunner. Just get another broadband service or go back to 56k if you absolutely *must* share your 0-d4y l337 m0v13z with the rest of the world.

such corporate horseshit.... (0, Offtopic)

jiminy (588565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879708)

undisclosed blocking of communication on certain ports at router-level?!?!?! what kind of nazi plot is this?!?!? you know hitler blocked ports at router level right?!?!?

"angry ex-customers" (4, Insightful)

John_Booty (149925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879709)

True, but they don't really care about losing file-sharing customers. They eat up a disproportionate amount of the bandwidth, and they probably lose money on most of these customers.

Now I'm not agreeing with this ISP - this action totally sucks for the reasons the original poster outlined. They need a more diplomatic solution... a slightly-higher priced service plan that allows use of such programs, or maybe they could just throttle traffic on those ports. And above all else though, they need to disclose this practice- otherwise it's completely unethical, PERIOD.

But the point is they really don't care about losing that kind of customer from a business sense.

Re:"angry ex-customers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879721)

The number of people that have broadband that never use one of these programs is quite small I'd imagine. You simply don't need that much bandwidth if you're just using email, or even just the web.

Most users may not be hardcore, 24/7 users, but they are users. They're just going to cost themselves customers.

Re:"angry ex-customers" (3, Insightful)

$carab (464226) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879741)

Parent makes a very insightful point:
Roadrunner is saying "fuck off" to these customers, and they dont give a damn about whomever gets pissed off by this.

Users who get pissed off are going to be the largest consumers of bandwith - that 10% that consumes 90%. This is also why ISPs block ports 80, 21, etc.

I fully agree with the Roadrunner on this issue. It makes a great deal of sense if you look at it from a buiness perspective. The number of consumers who feel so adamantly about file-sharing that they will jump ship is relatively small - an overwhelming amount of net users dont even know what the hell "ports" are. Oh, and Roadrunner wont hafta service any more of those irritating DMCA-violation RIAA letters.

Re:"angry ex-customers" (3, Insightful)

NightRain (144349) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879823)

Roadrunner is saying "fuck off" to these customers, and they dont give a damn about whomever gets pissed off by this.

The problem of course is that they will also piss off the occassional users of p2p software, that don't place much burden on the network. It seems a better idea would be to do the same thing that Optus cable here in Australia is doing.

Simply throttle the speeds on the ports in question. Low end users can still get access to p2p, and don't mind so much about the slower speeds, and the high usage p2p customers are still forcefully moderated in their usage

Ray

There are other reasons to block Kazaa... (2, Informative)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879914)

Before I comment on this, I just want to be clear that I don't support blocking of ports etc. However, my use of Kazaa opened up some insight into how it works, and why ISP's would kill it.

I used Kazaa solidly for a couple of weeks, trying to get a few eps of MST3k. When I was done, I shut down Kazaa and moved on. When I went to go play Quake, I noticed I had low ping times, but I was still getting intermitting lagging that was ruining my game.

I figured out what happened. Kazaa users were constantly bombarding my IP address with requests. This was happening so often that my connection was getting lagged from it. If AT&T had switched over my IP address, some other user would have gotten all that garbage. It is very possible that this isn't about bandwidth at all, but it's affect on other customers.

Only the ISPs really know for sure, but it is understandable, tho regrettable.

Re:"angry ex-customers" (2)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879746)

And above all else though, they need to disclose this practice- otherwise it's completely unethical, PERIOD
How much you wanna bet that this type of thing is covered in the Terms of Service for the service?

I bet there is a clause like: "You agree that to protect the SERVICE we may restrict your usuage to reasonable levels. Additionally users agree not to run any "servers" or "services" that use upstream bandwidth".


If thats in there, or something like it, than its disclosed. And its ethical.

Period.

Re:"angry ex-customers" (2)

parliboy (233658) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879808)

"You agree that to protect the SERVICE we may restrict your usuage to reasonable levels. Additionally users agree not to run any "servers" or "services" that use upstream bandwidth".

Upstream bandwidth? Oh you mean like e-mail?

Re:"angry ex-customers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879918)

Perfect! If everybody is violating the terms of service, they can shut off whoever they like and be perfectly within their rights.

There is a clause in the TOS (4, Informative)

waytoomuchcoffee (263275) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879822)

There is a clause in the TOS restricting bandwidth, at least in the San Antonio RR TOS [rr.com] .

Subscriber acknowledges and agrees that Time Warner Cable shall have the right to monitor bandwidth utilization (i.e., volume of data transmitted) arising out of the Service provided hereunder at any time and on an on-going basis and to limit excessive use of bandwidth in order to effectuate these provisions and other terms hereof

Scary stuff. They, and only they, decide what "excessive use" really is.

No real choices (2, Informative)

BuildMonkey (585376) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879787)

Here in central Fort Worth (700,000 strong), within walking distance of a University (Texas Christian University) we have only two choices: dial-up or Charter cable modem. DSL is NOT available in this area, despite being within 4 miles of downtown. Charter has consistently downgraded serivce in the three years its been available, with two steps-down in speed (3Mbps -> 1 Mbs -> 128 kbps), changing from static IPs to DHCP, and going from unrestricted to port blocking (no mail servers, web servers, etc.) If they offered a higher class of service (static IP, ability to run servers are important to me, 128 kbps isn't a big problem) I'd jump on it. They keep talking about adding better service tiers, but never get around to it.

Re:"angry ex-customers" (1)

Balagan (547873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879807)

Considering that file sharing is one the biggest/only things driving the growth in numbers of high speed internet customers, along with how big a deal AOL and TimeWarner made of the importance of "broadband" to its marketing strategy at the time of their merger, and not to mention the fact that the new AOL-TimeWarner has lost at least a third of its total value as a company since the merger, i would say alienating current and potential internet users is highly relevant to the companies bottom line interests.

If they are losing money on the customers it isnt because of technical fundamentals. As a former customer i can say from first hand experience that their technicians and sys admins arent as skilled as one would hope.

My concern is more about what other options there will be if this becomes an accepted method of enforcement for misguided laws and for the response by a majority of ISPs to the smallest threat of litigation by a big media label. Im not saying that if we dont do something now all hell will break loose... all hell has already broken loose - who cares if it can and continues to get worse. It isnt the end of the world if i dont have my high speed file sharing, but i dont want my MTV anymore and havent for a very long time... i want to take whatever steps can be taken, no matter how small they may be, to push back against these restrictions from the labels and from those ISPs cooperating with them and those lawmakers who happen to be in their pockets. My question is how can any of us do that effectively? How can we increase our options in choosing an ISP and how can we increase our freedom to use those connections?

Any ideas from the /. community?

Re:"angry ex-customers" (5, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879889)

If this kind of thing becomes wide-spread, you can expect an arms race in the technology. It won't take long for the p2p guys to come up with stuff that is able to dynamically change ports as often as needed. Eventually the ISPs will either have to accept it and work with it or give up.

Meanwhile, don't forget that cable companies sell other services, like television and in some cases telephone. Right now I get all three from my cable company (ATT) but I am on the verge of going to satellite for my tv. If my provider tries something like that, it will probably be enough to push me over the edge to DSL (which is priced competitively in my area) and satellite tv, as well as the old baby bell for my telephone service - and I am not even much of a p2p user.

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Can they do this? (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879713)

I have roadrunner, not in TX, but in woutheastern WI, so this hasn't become a problem for me, yet. I pay them for the use of their network, but my computer, the cable modem (yes it is mine, its not technically theirs, i payed for the hardware) and the software on my computer is MINE. They could disconnect my servie entirely, but do they have the right to block access to a certain port on MY machine?

Re:Can they do this? (3, Interesting)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879826)

That's the question of the year, isn't it?

They have the technical ability to do it, obviously. The contracts can generally be changed by the ISP at will, so it would seem that it's legal or can be made to be legal quite easily. Does it make business sense? That largely doesn't matter if you are the only broadband provider in the market or if every other available provider is doing the same thing.

IMHO, cable companies are more likely to be in bed with MPAA/RIAA entities than phone companies, and DSL providers seem to be 'freer' in general about running servers, so perhaps you'll be able to find respite with them if RR starts pulling this in your neck of the woods. This is going far beyond their responsibility to copyright holders, and I'd seek an alternative that understands that being an ISP is about providing a pipe, not spying on your customers. We've got plenty of others doing that already.

So for $20 extra bucks... (2)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879716)

...would I be allowed to run not only file-sharing servers, but a mail server, httpd server, and sshd?

Re:So for $20 extra bucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879779)

Sure, as soon as you can show me where I can buy 30GB/m for $20 per user of this advanced service.

Filesharing folk are akin to people that light themselves on fire for a living looking for health insurance.

Re:So for $20 extra bucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879799)

Quite a few webhosts will sell you ~30gigs a month in the $20 range.

Re:So for $20 extra bucks... (3, Interesting)

Alsee (515537) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879868)

So for $20 extra bucks would I be allowed to run not only file-sharing servers, but a mail server, httpd server, and sshd?

I wonder how much extra it would cost for them to simply carry generic data.

-

Scary. (1)

YahoKa (577942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879723)

Who needs a controlling fascist government when you have your local RIAA + ISP?

Re:Scary. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879765)

You mean they aren't the government?

Re:Scary. (4, Informative)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879770)

Who needs a controlling fascist government when you have your local RIAA + ISP?

The difference being you can't opt out of fascist government, you jackass.

My next door neighbor's baby daughter was tossed underneath a frieght train for the amusement of some actual fascists during WWII in Italy.

Sack up, drop RR, get a new ISP - even if it costs more or isnt as fast - and stop whinning. Its called choice.. and actual victims of fascism probably won't have much sympathy if you can't trade your silly MP3s and DIVX movies online.

Re:Scary. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879916)

The difference being you can't opt out of fascist government, you jackass.

Yes you can, dimwit. Its called MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Re:Scary. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879796)

I'm sure there are a lot of people around here that want to sell you a few tens of GB per month for $40 so you can steal music.

Charter is up to no good as well. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879731)

I have Charter in Wisconsin. I have used bearshare since Napster died. A few months ago things changed. Everytime I opened bearshare, my internet access slowed to a crawl. If I have bearshare open, it takes at least a minute for /. to open. Without, it takes 2-3 seconds.

Re:Charter is up to no good as well. (2)

papasui (567265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879785)

So don't let everyone go leech your bandwidth away.

Re:Charter is up to no good as well. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879913)

That's because there are hostile hosts on Gnutella. Bearshare 4 allows you to drop connections with them (and with the relays) and you'll find it speeds up your system considerably.

Such a strange contrast to the RCN story (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879734)

Just last week on slash they ran a story on how RCN was going to up their bandwidth. I'm sure RCN got a lot of positive free press from the story (i.e. slash)

Now we have RR getting bad press from slash. I wonder if this will cause them to take a different stance.

This website Sucks (-1)

Rogain (91755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879737)



Slashdot is a censhorship whore!

I posted about the MPAA but... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879739)

disabling access is better than what ATTBI does. They just disable the individual user and refer them to the Legal Demands department.

I will take blocked Kaaza rather than disabled service.

Re:I posted about the MPAA but... (1)

rickthewizkid (536429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879766)

Disable the user? How? With a club to the knees?

-RickTheWizKid

Re:I posted about the MPAA but... (1)

showboat (205494) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879782)

No, this isn't action taken against a user who used kazaa we're talking about. It's plain old blocking it for everybody.

This must still be in test phase (2)

msaulters (130992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879745)

because I haven't yet seen any sort of trouble with Kazaa on my connection in Austin. A couple of months ago, however, I did notice trouble where Grokster would simply stop working. Rebooting the machine seemed to fix the problem, but it would invariably happen again after an indeterminate period of time. Perhaps that was a warm-up exercise.

Re:This must still be in test phase (1)

kcomplex (414253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879842)

I only saw some trouble with my gnutella client yesterday in San Antonio with RR, but it seems to be fine today.

Open Source Development HOW-TO by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879747)

Credits: onby

1. Introduction

As everyone knows, Open Source software is the wave of the future. With the market share of GNU/Linux and *BSD increasing every day, interest in Open Source Software is at an all time high.

Developing software within the Open Source model benefits everyone. People can take your code, improve it and then release it back to the community. This cycle continues and leads to the creation of far more stable software than the 'Closed Source' shops can ever hope to create.

So you're itching to create that Doom 3 killer but don't know where to start? Read on!

2. First Steps
The most important thing that any Open Source project needs is a Sourceforge page. There are tens of thousands of successful Open Source projects on Sourceforge; the support you receive here will be invaluable.

OK, so you've registered your Sourceforge project and set the status to '0: Pre-Thinking About It', what's next?

3. Don't Waste Time!

Now you need to set up your SourceForge homepage. Keep it plain and simple - don't use too many HTML tags, just knock something up in VI. Website editors like FrontPage and DreamWeaver just create bloated eye-candy - you need to get your message to the masses!

4. Ask For Help

Since you probably can't program at all you'll need to try and find some people who think they can. If your project is a game you'll probably need an artist too. Ask for help on your new Sourceforge pages. Here is an example to get you started:

"Hi there! Welcom to my SorceForge page! I am planing to create a Fisrt Person Shooter game for Linux that is going to kick Doom 3's ass! I have loads of awesome ideas, like giant robotic spiders! I need some help thouh as I cant program or draw. If you can program or draw the tekstures please get in touch! K thx bye!"

Thousands of talented programmers and artists hang out at Sourceforge ready to devote their time to projects so you should get a team together in no time!

5. The A-Team

So now you have your team together you are ready to change your projects status to '1: Pre-Bickering'. You will need to discuss your ideas with your team mates and see what value they can add to the project. You could use an Instant Messaging program like MSN for this, but since you run Linux you'll have to stick to e-mail.

Don't forget that YOU are in charge! If your team doesn't like the idea of giant robotic spiders just delete them from the project and move on. Someone else can fill their place and this is the beauty of Open Source development. The code might end up a bit messy and the graphics inconsistant - but it's still 'Free as in Speech'!

6. Getting Down To It

Now that you've found a team of right thinking people you're ready to start development. Be prepared for some delays though. Programming is a craft and can take years to learn. Your programmer may be a bit rusty but will probably be writing "hello world" programs after school in no time.

Closed Source games like Doom 3 use the graphics card to do all the hard stuff anyhow, so your programmer will just have to get the NVidia 'API' and it will be plain sailing! Giant robot spiders, here we come!

7. The Outcome

So it's been a few years, you still have no files released or in CVS. Your programmer can't get enough time on the PC because his mother won't let him use it after 8pm. Your artist has run off with a Thai She-Male. Your project is still at '1: Pre-Bickering'...

Congratulations! You now have a successful Open Source project on Sourceforge! Pat yourself on the back, think up another idea and do it all again! See how simple it is?

- poopbot: crapflooding since 7/8/02

Ties... (1)

fedaykin42 (588488) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879750)

Something everyone is forgetting: RoadRunner is owned by Time-Warner. Look around at what Time-Warner owns. Large portions of the entertainment industry . Cable service, movies, music, etc. If they fear profits are being lost by file sharing on the internet, they simply cut it off; at least for they people the can. Don't think they have the right? Read your contract. They can pretty much do whatever they want to your connection.

Cox in OK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879754)

Blocked port 80 outgoing due to all the viruses floating around. Their stance is that they are more concerned with the virii track like nimda than people running webservers... Easy enough solution to switch ports... no biggie.

Re:Cox in OK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879906)

Outgoing? No WWW for you? Hmm... interesting that is.

What about Peek-A-Booty? (1)

rickthewizkid (536429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879757)

Would a program such as cDc's Peek-A-Booty be able to work around the use of such port filters?

What if we were to move the kazaa style P2P programs to a port that is often used for other things, say 21 (ftp) or 80 (www) - I don't think that RoadRunner would want to block _those_ ports...

Then again, my DSL provider (Verizon) blocks my port 80 inbound to "protect me against viruses" - I believe that RR does this as well... am I right?

-RickTheWizKid

Re:What about Peek-A-Booty? (1)

waspleg (316038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879919)

no
i have rr in cincinnati and have not had 80 blocked..

although abny time i updated teh IP's of my domains i lose my connction as soon as the DNS change propagates until i physically reset the modem a billion times and it releases the address and give sme a new one

Problem with these programs. (2)

papasui (567265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879760)

Is that they eat up a large amount of the upstream, which when is being maxed by a large number of customers will begin to have a negative effect on the downstream for other customers. Beyond this, you are not allowed to run a server with their residential service so if your sharing your violating your contract.

Re:Comcast already dealt with this (1)

MrPippers (576652) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879917)

Comcast caps the upstream bandwidth at 16kB/s. I don't think any company will be looked favorably upon for blocking a filesharing network that everyone knows about. I'm glad Comcast didn't take that route.

Running a "server"? (4, Informative)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879762)

I guess if you get completely technical, it could be considered a breach of contract. Most ISPs have clauses against running servers of any kind on their networks. P2P programs could be considered servers since they "serve" content to other clients who want it. I'd say they are justified, but it still kinda sux...

Oh well, at least the RIAA didn't force it on them, they had the initiative to do it on their own...

[on by] More random crap at 0! Enjoy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879771)


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oh no... (1)

zootread (569199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879773)

oh no!!... <quickly starts downloading as much amateur porn as possible before port is blocked>

This is not cool.. Kazaa has great legitimate uses like the one I just stated. They have no reason to block it.

But seriously folks... (3, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879777)

How many people use Kazaa for stuff that's legal that couldn't be obtained through other avenues? I've yet to find even one.

Napster was actually used legally by some people (albeit a far cry from the majority), I've never met anyone who's used Kazaa for anything but media piracy.

one counterexample (1)

timothy (36799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879835)

is the one mentioned in the 'department' line -- L. Lessig had (or still has) a Morpheus server in his office at Stanford, serving up MP3s of his own speeches. In other words, content that he had complete right to distribute, and which he put on Morpheus to make distribution simpler.

Why more teachers don't put lectures up on the web in *some* format (MP3 / Ogg) and either on P2P networks or just as static files on websites is something I don't understand, but I think it would be great if they did. Likewise, audio / video materials in the public domain (like all the films at the Internet Film Archive) and which private citizens (like Lessig) *want* to release are all good justifications for not blocking things like kazaa. (Some bands, for instance, release some music for free, or even all of their music.) I've never used it, but I've seen kazaa being used, and as far as I can see, it's a neutral technology, as well suited for carrying indisputably legitimate content as it is for carrying stolen master tapes of illegal midget porn. If you don't think there's enough non-infringing content available, put up some funny home videos :)

timothy

Really? (3, Funny)

Rupert (28001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879780)

The symptoms they describe (gradually decreasing download speeds) don't sound like RR activity to me. If I were an ISP and wanted to block a port it would be blocked. I can't imagine RR going to great lengths to effect a bandwidth fade when they can just shut the whole thing off.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879898)

Actually, this is probably how they have it working. It's not portblocking per se, but they probably are injecting extra packets that screw things up when they detect excessive bandwidth usage. It becomes too damned obvious when they actually block ports, and some apps might get fscked up, so they just throttle down the upload speed (kazaa works on an up/down ratio - if you aren't uploading, it won't let you download quickly).

Is this really wrong (3, Insightful)

ViceClown (39698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879783)

Im not trying to troll or draw flames but by the letter of the law - trading copy-writed music is illegal. I'de rather have the music swapping services shut down then have the record companies try more wide-spread cd protection that would further limit legitimate fair use. Im not saying I agree with the way the system works now... but Im not going to cry when I can't use music-swappers illegally anymore.

Re:Is this really wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879832)

Is every use of these services illegal? No. You can do the same things using http, or ftp, or email, or irc/dcc, or... If you start saying "This can be used for illegal purposes and needs to be shutdown" then pretty soon, the whole internet will be shutdown.

Don't let the RIAA convince you that all music is illegal to download. It's not.

Re:Is this really wrong (1)

Balagan (547873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879867)

Im sorry, but it isnt clear that sharing copyrighted music in a non-commercial way is illegal. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, it is something that is highly debatable. Besides, this is a free country (in some ways at least), where laws can be argued and *changed*. Whether file-sharing is or should be illegal is in no way a settled matter. The reality of whether it is or not can change from one day to the next, from one year to the next, from one sway of the courts and of public opinion to the next. If you personally feel file-sharing should be illegal that is fine as long as you can back it up and dont just try to pre-empt discussion by asserting that you are right and everyone else is doomed to failure because of some undeniable fact of your choosing before any discussion even begins.

As far as im concerned, the fights over the legality of filesharing, the nature of copyright and free/fair use, the growth of technology and the internet, and all the rest of the assorted battles that are related to these are in no way over yet.

Re:Is this really wrong (2)

Jester99 (23135) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879885)

Im not going to cry when I can't use music-swappers illegally anymore.

Just to play devil's advocate: What about all the people who did use the service legally? There were plenty of people (myself, for instance) who actually downloaded music to test it -- and then bought it. And I also downloaded music that wasn't owned by the RIAA -- the content authors agree to let their music be distributed.

No, you're only going to cry when they go after something you use. But by then, you'll be lucky if anybody's going to have a shoulder for you to cry on.

"They came for the communists, but I wasn't a communist. They came for the terrorists, but I wasn't a terrorist. They came for the hackers, but I wasn't a hacker. Then they came for me, because I was the last one left."

Knee Jerk (1)

El Pollo Loco (562236) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879784)

My initial reaction was one of "Fuck those ho's", they can't do that! But then i realized that they own the network, and i am paying to use it. The worst that would happen is I would switch services. But p2p users are a small minority(even if the riaa and mpaa would have you belive they aren't), so they wouldn't lose too much money, and might even make more because other users would have faster access.

How ironic. I'm using roadrunner. Cannot download. (1, Troll)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879790)


I can't download any files through "Save target as..." in Internet Explorer for the past half a day. Even attempting to right-click links to save web pages that load normally results in a 7-second wait followed by "Internet Explorer was unable to open this internet site..." I was wondering what was happening.

Ironically, I CAN still use Kazaa Light - it's working perfectly. I've been able to download several techno songs mentioned in a recent slashdot article. Incidently, happy hardcore is a fun little sub-genre, though I still prefer video game remixes - which I can't download now from overclocked! [overclocked.org]

I'm located in central Florida. Perhaps the local Time Warner folks are just experimenting now. I'll call tech support monday if nothing resolves itself.

It appears that another peice of evidence that ISP's can't police intellectual properties and still be expected to provide a stable service, if that's what they are doing in my case. :^)

Ryan Fenton

Re:How ironic. I'm using roadrunner. Cannot downlo (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879847)

It's very unlikely they could disable your "Save As" without disabling all of your web access. Could it just be that IE is retarded? Try another browser like Mozilla [mozilla.org] or Opera [opera.com] . You do have choices you know.

Re:How ironic. I'm using roadrunner. Cannot downlo (2, Insightful)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879908)

Sounds like you have a virus of some sort, ace. I'm using RR in Orlando and have no problem. Not getting a context right-click menu for 7 seconds smacks of a java script (you should block those for any site you don't trust with your wallet, you know) preventing you from LEGAL operations. I'd get a virus scan done ASAP.... probably too late though. If RR tried to force scripts that blocked functionality of software that I was using, I'd sue in a heartbeat. They dont' have a right to interfere with my private systems. In fact, since I frequently work at home in addition to my regular schedule, they'd likely be sued by my employer (yes my employer is big enough to take on Time Warner in court.)

Come on (5, Insightful)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879791)

The discussions are the result of a single post saying it's not working. Most replies to the primary posts say that everything is working fine for them. Other provide technically inaccurate information such as Kazaa "slowing down" before it just completely stops and then attribute that to port blocking. How about some general skepticism here before ranting about some mega-corp stomping all over the end users rights. Here's one of the initial posts:

"The only way i can search is if i log off and on real fast on kazaa. Doing that i can get one search off. I resume downloads fine jus no searches. I'm running XP if that helps. Can anyone please help. Thanks"

Hmmm, XP, and it works for a couple seconds and then stops. Yeah, rights, there's somebody at the RR NOC sitting there watching all traffic and manually flipping a light switch that controls your port 1214.

The second post linked to in the article is of about the same quality only by a jumpy conspiracy theorist. I couldn't stand to read the other 2.

Why FreeBSD is dying by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879800)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt



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What do you expect (1)

Sayten241 (592677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879802)

What can one excpect the ISPs to do now that the record companies are getting on their asses about this file swapping. Granted, I don't agree with Road Runner (which just so happens to be my current ISP and one I would recomend to anyone because I have had absolutely no problems with) blocking the use of certain peer to peer software, however, I cannot blame them in light of recent events.

And More Happy Ones, Too (5, Insightful)

kmellis (442405) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879803)

"If this becomes more widespread, they will have many angry (and former) customers."
And probably an even larger number of happier customers who suddenly notice that they have bandwidth again.

P2P is cool in theory; but in practice people are using it merely to move around huge pirated mp3s and mpegs and as a result a small number of users are consuming a grossly disproportionate amount of bandwidth. It's a tragedy of the commons. See previous /. stories on how this has already played out at college campuses across the US (and elsewhere).

I'm in Austin, and I've actually switched away from Road Runner to SBC ADSL. Why? Because, of course, the bandwidth I saw decreased dramatically over the years since I was an early adopter; and they were charging me too damn much money, anyway. I don't get a ton of bandwidth with my ADSL connection, but the service is more reliable, and it's less expensive. And so far, I've not seen any port blocking or scanning for servers -- something I've been hearing about from the cable side of the fence.

Honestly, I'm ambivalent about a lot of these issues as my idealistic and practical sides of my personality come into conflict. Ideally, I'd like the consumer's access to the internet to be pretty much like what it meant to be hooked up to the interent in the good old days before it became commoditized -- the internet was designed for hosts to be servers, not just clients or even peers. I should be able to run my own web server, my own smtp and pop/imap server, my own nntp server, my own streaming multimedia server, share my filesystem, run distributed applications, network games, P2P apps....whatever. To me, that's part of the whole point. On the other hand, as a practical matter, there still isn't enough bandwidth available for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to use their home internet connections this way. Yeah, there's a lot of dark fiber -- but none of it is the last mile connections. And some people are consuming far more networking resources than they are paying for. That's a legitimate problem, and it certainly can't be justified on the basis of a need to share files that are illegal in the first place.

Re:And More Happy Ones, Too (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879888)

>> And probably an even larger number of happier customers who suddenly notice that they have bandwidth again.

Very doubtful, at least with RoadRunner. You may not be aware of this since you switched to DSL, but RoadRunner is now capping uploads at 384Kbps and downloads at 1.5Mbps for standard residential service. They'll sell you 786Kbps up and 2Mbps down for another $35/month on "Business Class".

Beware they have sophisticated blocking programs (1)

Buggered Choirboy (237709) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879809)

A few months ago, we were using a Bell-Sympatico DSL
line for our web server. Easy-dns provided(bell.easydns.com) provided the dns. Weirdly, out site would not load for our customers. I took the graphics out and the pages loaded fine. They had blocked graphics to port 80. All kinds of graphics: jpeg, gif, and png. I think there is software and/or hardware to block any specific protocol they want.

WOW!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879815)

Wow!! Four whole links, and timothy got them ALL right! Closed his tags and EVERYTHING!

Must be a new record.

This is already happening in Australia. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879818)

Ahh yes. This happened a few months back with Optus in Australia "blocking" kazaa. In this case it is not so much blocked as rendered pretty useless.. You can still connect but the speeds you reach will be very very throttled (like 1k/sec).

I guess the concern is always there that this could prompt more blocking if there was no uproar but really not many people have recourse to complain to optus about this because after all - almost every single person who uses kazaa has the intent to break copyright law.

I would never consider what the RIAA is doing on the kazaa network with regards to phantom mp3's and the like to be wrong because they have to do something. Imagine there was no fightback against copyright violation - people would get out of control.

The great thing about being blocked by Optus for me is that I don't have to use that crappy virus ridden, fake file filled network any more. You wouldn't believe how much trouble that has caused for a great number of cable users in Australia on overpriced bandwidth connections. Companies like telstra have been sending out bills charging people almost $200 (100 USish) per gig worth of extra usage caused by idle kazaa programs. I wonder if optus will lift their kazaa blocking when their metered bandwidth comes into play :)

RIP Audiogalaxy though, if ever there was a good network that was it.

Road Runner Annoyances.. (3, Interesting)

slakdrgn (531347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879833)

I live in Orlando, Fl. and luckly haven't had any of these problems with roadrunner, atleast not with KaZaA but will soon prolly change, from what I understand after looking over the groups, is they are in a test phase.. this may just be problems on the backbone (hey, anything is possiable) but the way most ISPs are going I doubt it. This doesn't really bug me as much as the fact I can't get Road Runner buisness class (mainly cause I want a staic ip/ability run servers, no ports blocked) but it seems within the past 30 days they have adopted a new policy.. it apears they want you to have a valid florida business license for atleast 90 days, plus a few other annoying hoops. So even if you want to pay for accelerated bandwidth use, ability to run servers, etc.. you can't.. unless you have a business license.. If only I could get DSL where I live.. *sigh*

I think they should disclose this stuff. But I think the reason they don't is because, they know there is ligitment uses for this app, tho (and lets be honest) many (not all) people do not use it for thoes ligitment uses. It kinda reminds me of the dialup days and when napster was getting bigger.. ISPs use to add "This is not a dedicated dialup connection, you can only be connected x amount of hours (usually 300 or so) per month" to their terms of service. Now its kinda like saying "You have a dedicated connection, but you can't do this and this and this or that.." oh wait.. they already say it.. *sigh*

If your not gonna let me do what I want with my $50.00/mo, then atleast let me upgrade.. Mabey they assume non-business customers wanting business bandwidth will only use it for warez/hax0ring?

Not effective, just annoying. (2)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879837)

As per my understanding, all the software has to do is use a different port. Then the ISPs will change to blocking the new port... and so on and so on.

The end user who wants to trade files has a lot more time, and would probably win in the end. So the ISP is either going to have to give up, or block all but a few commonly used ports, which would make users extreamly angry any time a new Internet utility came out that uses a new port.

Ooh, time for a fresh new alternative! (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879844)

Check out Ozone (Windows and Linux clients available)

http://www.ozone-o3.net/ [ozone-o3.net]

Ozone was just recently opensourced on Sourceforge, as well.

[on by] More random crap at 0! Enjoy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879864)

One day i decided to pray
fOiiw4wN5B

then try to block their scans (1)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879871)

I noticed that my isp periodically scans me. So natuarally, I just collected the ip addresses (they use the same ones) and set my firewall rules to drop them. Gave me a little peace of mind.

Usenet, people (1)

pfrets (15465) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879879)

It can all be found on usenet. If you're going to spend an extra $20 a month, use it to subscribe to a decent news service.

[on by] More random crap at 0! Enjoy! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879892)

One day i decided to pray
i kneeled down & looked at the sky
i asked God why life is so hard
he turned his back & i started to cry

you turn your back on me
so i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too

you turn your back on me
so i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too

you tell me to follow your rules
well how the fuck do you expect me to obey them
when you cant even follow them yourself
you're just trying to keep me down
keep me down!

One day i decided to pray
i kneeled down & looked at the sky
i asked God why life is so hard
he turned his back & i started to cry

you turn your back on me
i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too

you turn your back on me
i turn my back on you
fuck your system & fuck you too

you tell me to follow your rules
well how the fuck do you expect me to obey them
when you cant even follow them yourself
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ATT Broadband blocking online game ports too... (1)

DigitalHammer (581235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3879895)

ATT BI is blocking game ports in the Chicago area as well as file sharing progs... check out this link for more details...http://www.dslreports.com/comment/1900/2 8460 [dslreports.com]

Charter and Kazaa problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3879910)

I've been having problems with Kazaa lately, as well. However, I use Charter. When I load Kazaa, I get repeated disc-write errors, and disc activity shoots through the roof. This inevitably causes my PC to crash. If I then merely restart, then it happens as soon as the computer starts back up. This leads me to believe that it might be a memory resident virus, but I've used Norton and detected nothing. Any other users having this problem?
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