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Ogg Vorbis 1.0

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the bog-vigors dept.

Music 443

uvasmith writes "According to the Ogg Vorbis website... Release 1.0 is now ready and tagged as 'vorbis1_0_public_release' in CVS. This is a full release of a 1.0 encoder, decoder and tool set. The encoder, decoder and tools now implement all Vorbis 1.0 specification features including low-bitrate, cascading and channel coupling." Update: 07/19 17:05 GMT by C :It seems someone jumped the gun a bit in mentioning the release, but now it's official! Check out the download page, the letter from their CEO and (if you wish) cough up a few bucks at the donation page! For those audiophiles among us, you can check out a side-by-side audio comparison here. Oh, and don't forget the free music!

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first post and such (-1)

Penis Bird Guy (204613) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917030)

for joy!

Re:first post and such (-1, Offtopic)

LinuxIsDyingGuy (588455) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917066)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *The Who is ying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Who community when Yahoo! confirmed that a Who musician has dropped yet again, now they are down to less than a fraction of 66% percent of all members. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that The Who has lost more band members, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. The Whoe is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by coming dead last [yahoo.com] in the recent MTV comprehensive music test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict Thw Who's future. The hand writing is on the wall: The Who face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for The Who because The Who is dying. Things are looking very bad for The Who. As many of us are already aware, The Who continues to lose market share. Blood flows like a river of red ink.

Who member "Ox" is the most endangered of them all, having lost 26% of his body to decomposition. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time The Who member "Ox" only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: The Who is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Who leader Roger Daltrey states that there are 7000 fans of The Who. How many fans of "Ox" were there? Let's see. The number of Who versus "Ox" posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 "Ox" fans. The Who posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Elvis posts. Therefore there are about 700 fans of The Who. A recent article put The Who at about 60 percent alive. Therefore there are now (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 The Who fans. This is consistent with the number of Who Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of the music business, abysmal sales and so on, The Who went out of existance and was taken over by Brittany Spears who sells more troubled BS. Now Brittany is also dead, her corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All majr surveys show that The Who has steadily declined in market share. The Who is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If The Who is to survive at ll it will be among music dilettante dabblers. The Who continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, The Who is dead.

Fact: The Who is ying

Re:first post and such (-1)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917124)

Would that make the Rolling Stones the yang?

Re:first post and such (-1)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917068)

Well hey, if it ain't PBG.

Congratulations on the FP.

hot dang (0)

Hall and Oates (575706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917031)


Our tunes will sound great in ogg. Thanks.

well shut me down! (-1)

Trolling Stones (587878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917039)

Trolling Stones' friday lyrics quiz!
See if you can get them all without using a search engine
You must provide the artist and song title for full credit.
Post your answers below.

1) Seems that the wrath of the Gods
got a punch on the nose
and it started to flow
I think I might be sinking

2) Shay plays on the fade
sliced like a ninja cut like a razorblade
so fast all the djs say damn

3) it was the best song in the world
look into my eyes and you will see
one and one make two
two and one make three
its destiny

4) a nuclear error
but I have no fear
cuz london is drowning and I
live by the river

5) the factory belches filth into the sky
pack like lemmings into shiny metal boxes

1.Zep,GngtoCali;4.Clash, LonCalng;5.Police,Synch1 (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917090)

2. Vanilla Ice - Ice, Ice, Baby (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917265)

&nbsp
/ecode/

irc.goatse.cx #goatsecx (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917042)

Woohoo! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917043)

I can't wait for Ogg Vorbis 1.1 where they completely change the codec again and all past versions become unusable. Did these guys ever hear of backwards compatibility?!? And you open source people wonder why people are still using mp3s almost 20,000 to 1 over Ogg Vorbis!? STANDARDS!

Re:Woohoo! (4, Insightful)

Sinistar2k (225578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917065)

WTF are you talking about?

Backwards compatibility with pre-release versions? Uh, yeah. Since the RC's were started, OGGs have worked right up through the chain (or at least mine have).

Now, if the next release means you can't play any previously encoded OGGs, then go ahead and repost your rant.

Re:Woohoo! (2)

xercist (161422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917203)

The decoder has been frozen for a long time now. The current decoder will be able to play any vorbis file created by any encoder released at any time in the future.

Re:Woohoo! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917229)

Future OGG players will decode any Vorbis-file.

Today many (hardware) MP3 players do not play for example VBR-coded MP3-files.

Maybe there are more MP3-users because Vorbis was released today?

Debian packages (4, Informative)

calc (1463) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917048)

Ogg Vorbis 1.0 is already uploaded to Debian sid and should be installed today. It should be compiled for all arch within a few days.

Re:Debian packages (4, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917196)

nd will probably make it into Debian stable by 2007...

Re:Debian packages (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917248)

Mod Above Flamebait -1 !!!

Replace JPEG! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917049)

Hey, maybe we could replace JPEG with this!

Yay! (2, Funny)

micromoog (206608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917054)

It's finally 1.0! Too bad it still has the worst name ever.

Re:Yay! (5, Funny)

SmileyBen (56580) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917071)

...says 'micromoog'...

Re:Yay! (3, Funny)

Moog (29335) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917103)

Nothing wrong with that

Re:Yay! (2, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917073)

Not true. The worst product name ever is Goobers.

I mean who the hell wants to eat somthing called that?

Re:Yay! (1)

DeepZenPill (585656) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917095)

You mean they actually make a food named after my favorite snack?

Re:Yay! (4, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917098)

Not true. The worst product name ever is Goobers.


I mean who the hell wants to eat somthing called that?
Whooah hold on, Goobers gave us something else to call rednecks! We may have to switch over to that if they ever form an anti-defamation league because of Walmart's selling of Linux boxes!

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917209)

Liberals: Calling groups names, then complaining about discrimination when they retaliate.

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917303)

I'm guessing that you would preferred that it be called "Ogg Daddy Dog" or something.

Argh Too Early (2, Insightful)

boa13 (548222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917060)

Just wait a few more minutes, the mirrors and the website are being uploaded. :(

The Vorbis Way (5, Informative)

boa13 (548222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917083)

To quote irc.openprojects.net/#vorbis:

<xercist> sites are down, and staying that way until it's ready. period.

And slightly afterwards:

<xiphmont> Hello. Slashdot jumped the gun. So that we can actually get to our own servers, xiph.org and vorbis.com have both been taken down so that we can finish the release in peace. Or at all.

NICE GOING, FUCKHEADS. OH WELL, BYE FOR TODAY! (-1, Troll)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917111)

Re:NICE GOING, FUCKHEADS. OH WELL, BYE FOR TODAY! (-1, Offtopic)

iamwoodyjones (562550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917173)

Thank you for comming back! I thought for sure you were missing in action.

Seriously, you make my day everytime I read something and I see your reply below it with poetic obscienities.

I hope that in the future I get to see more of your witiness so I can LMFAO!
br> latter

Might be a bit off still? (2)

eddy (18759) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917117)

You're sure? According to a post on hydrogenaudio [hydrogenaudio.org] (search for '#vorbis') the release might be a few days off due to updates needed to the specification. I quote:

"I'm sorry, folks, but we have to wait. We're being very thorough with the spec, and it has inadequately documented areas. Official 1.0 release is soon, days as opposed to weeks. It's my call, and I take full responsibility. See you soon" -- Emmet on #vorbis

Re:Might be a bit off still? (2)

boa13 (548222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917183)

This post is old. Emmett said that on Sunday. And the release is happening now. "Days as opposed to weeks", as he said.

Re:Might be a bit off still? (5, Funny)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917213)

"Days as opposed to weeks", as he said.

Yeah, well, if he went by the book, hours would seem like days.

Re:Might be a bit off still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917283)

"Or at all"

so slashdot not only killed them in this battle, but lost them the war?

Re:Might be a bit off still? (2)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917286)

You lied!

Re:Argh Too Early (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917130)

Slashdot: Bringing You The News Before It Happens (again)

Re:Argh Too Early (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917191)

Hehe! Mod this up! It should be Slashdot's new slogan... ;)

Re:Argh Too Early (3, Funny)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917298)

"Hello. This is slashdot, calling to say that we're about to flood your servers with the legion of well-trained trolls that we keep penned up inside the SlashHouse. Would you be so kind as to call back when your release is complete, so that we won't prevent it from happening? Otherwise, all your servers are belong to us."

Nah ... that would be just too easy.

No way. (-1, Flamebait)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917063)

I'm not using a codec I can't pronounce.

Re:No way. (1)

Idolminds (547797) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917281)

It's just as easy as Fraunhofer...

W-O-W (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917069)

You waited until the website acknowledged that the build was done and ready to be uploaded?

Why not do that with new distro's, instead of sitting in CVS, refreshing every 10 seconds....

Serious question: iTunes (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917070)

I like iTunes and my iPod, and I'm curious: does anyone know of a plug-in for these two products?

I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my beloved MP3's, but I wouldn't mind trying something that isn't tied to somebody else's patent.

Re:Serious question: iTunes (5, Informative)

pigpen_ (56028) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917128)

You can get a beta quicktime component [sf.net] that will allow you to play oggs in iTunes and other quicktime aware apps. The iPod does it's mp3 decoding on hardware and there is not currently a solution for software decoding. I wouldn't expect one any time soon either.

Re:Serious question: iTunes (1, Offtopic)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917159)

Cool - somebody mod this guy up. I'll have to check it out later and see if Puffy AmiYumi sounds better in MP3 or Org format.

Re:Serious question: iTunes (1, Redundant)

John_Booty (149925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917206)

I just want to second your mention of Puffy AmiYumi!

Re:Serious question: iTunes (2)

zaren (204877) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917154)

As far as I know, there's no Ogg support for iTunes or iPod at the moment. There's a SourceForge [sourceforge.net] site up with info about an Ogg plugin for Quicktime playback, but that's all I can find so far.

Use Google, silly (4, Insightful)

mblase (200735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917180)

from (http://www.nouturn.com/goodies/ [nouturn.com] ):

Goodie #1: Ogg Vorbis QuickTime Component
This allows the user to play Ogg files in most QuickTime applications. As for iTunes support, this will soon be available. At the moment, iTunes doesn't use the standard QuickTime protocol, so it doesn't automatically take advantage of the component. Bad Apple! Not following your own standards!


A quick search turns up several iTunes plug-ins for visualizations, but not for audio codecs. I don't think the new iTunes 3 changes this. Developing plug-ins for iPod would be a whole 'nother ball o' wax. So I think you're out of luck.

Re:Use Google, silly (1)

pigpen_ (56028) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917312)

Guess you need to try google again because the NoUturn link is old and not correct. There is a quicktime component [sf.net] that allows ogg files to be played in iTunes, as well as quicktime player. It worked in iTunes2 and it works in iTunes3. The component isn't perfect as it doesn't support vorbis comments but it does work to play ogg files in iTunes.

Argh, too early (0, Redundant)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917075)

They are _not_ out yet. The link are still pointing to RC3. Slashdot was too early.

--
GCP

Re:Argh, too early (1)

basse (64014) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917116)

This is only because slashdot jumped the gun, again...

The xiph guys have been forced to take out the servers to be able to finish the release properly. You _were_ actually able to get the real 1.0 files for a while, if you knew where to look for them. This is what Monty had to say about the whole affair, a couple of minutes ago on #vorbis:
"So that we can actually get to our own servers, xiph.org and vorbis.com have both been taken down so that we can finish the release in peace. Or at all."

oggenc -1 mode (5, Informative)

calc (1463) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917079)

oggenc now has a -1 quality mode with a nominal bitrate of 45kbps. It actually sounds very good try it out.

Re:oggenc -1 mode (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917250)

That's great, because in all honesty, MS was kicking out ass in the low bitrate audio area. If you have heard the MS codec for low bitrate, you know what I am talking about, it's incredible. I believe Yahoo chat uses it for their voice chat.

Good job ogg team!

Adoption now... (1)

Kr3m3Puff (413047) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917081)

I wonder how this will effect adoption. Maybe we will get Ogg Net Players and maybe the BBC will return to encoding. It will be nice to have free (in beer and other ways) music and sound now. Congratulations to the team.

OOG is really cool (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917082)

oh wait, never mind...

Connection refused? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917084)

Well, that's one way to deal with the enevitable tide of Slashdotters - turn off your webservers until the story falls off the page....

The march of OSS (5, Insightful)

BeowulfSchaeffer (588150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917094)

Mozilla 1.0, OpenOffice 1.0, now Vorbis 1.0. This year should be considered a watershed year for open source software. It is great to see things coming together like this.

All servers down - thank you slashdot! (4, Insightful)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917096)

All xiph.org and vorbis.com servers have been taken down to prevent slashdotting untill the mirroring is completed.

Thank you slashdot, you just ed us.

--
GCP

Re:All servers down - thank you slashdot! (4, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917227)

Just how long is it going to take to mirror Ogg Vorbis? Last time I downloaded it all three[1] tar.gzs together were less than a meg. It's not like they're mirroring Gnome or Mozilla. Heck, I can CVSup and entire FreeBSD ports tree quicker than these guys are mirroring Ogg.

[1] libogg, libvorbis, and vorbistools

Re:All servers down - thank you slashdot! (1)

Lao-Tzu (12740) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917234)

So the slashdot effect took down your servers, and in the process, nobody got to get the software. In order to prevent slashdotting, which would make it so that nobody can see the site, you took down the site so nobody could see it.

Is that really useful?

think it through for a second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917299)

Case 1: leave the server up to be Slashdotted. Result: no one can see it; mirrors can't get it.

Case 2: take down servers to everyone but mirrors. Result: no one can see it; mirrors CAN get it.

Is this starting to make sense?

Lesson Learned... (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917263)

Lesson to be learned here:
Mirror everything before announcing the release.

Re:Lesson Learned... (5, Informative)

boa13 (548222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917278)

Lesson to be learned here:
Mirror everything before announcing the release.


Tell that to Michael. The Vorbis team was mirroring everything when he leaked the story. The release has not been announced yet.

Bad Quality (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917099)

I find that when I "rip" music from CDs into OOG Vorbis Format that it has poor playback quality (very crackly).
I'm wondering if other readers out there experience similar problems. I was thinking this might be some copy protection on CDs similar to that on video cassettes.

Re:Bad Quality (1)

Mr. McGibby (41471) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917215)

No problems here. Sounds like your setup. I doubt they would be working this long on Ogg if it has audible cracks in standard CD rips.

Blame can lie in any of 4 places (5, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917275)

I find that when I "rip" music from CDs into OOG Vorbis Format that it has poor playback quality (very crackly).

Does the same thing happen when you rip from CD into .wav without encoding to .ogg or .mp3? What happens when you look at the .wav in a spectrogram?

If you hear crackling from the .wav, and you can see it on a spectrogram (it'll look like vertical lines through the whole spectrum), then you're seeing copy protection or some other form of physical CD damage.

If you hear crackling from the wav, but you can't see it on a spectrogram, check your audio drivers.

If you don't hear crackling from the wav, then use the reference encoder and decoder (oggenc and ogg123) to turn .wav into .ogg into .wav. If you get crackling from this, then libvorbis is at fault.

If wav->ogg->wav->player works, but wav->ogg->player doesn't work through the same player, contact the developers of the player.

Re:Bad Quality (2)

Kanon (152815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917277)

Get either a newer version of the encoder (hey 1.0 is out. Aren't you lucky :) or turn the quality setting up higher. I use 3 (The default I think). 0 is 64kbit

Ogg Vorbis sucks (-1)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917102)

Pot roast & a spot of tea.

mirror (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917104)

Here is a mirror [xiph.org]

Question about licensing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917107)

I have a question about licensing (i am a newbie).

If I were to write a program that used ogg vorbis to play back sounds to the user, could I commercially sell that program, or would I have to release the program's entire source code as well?

Depends if you use GCC to compile it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917121)

Programs written in GCC have to be published opensource because they use special embedded "assembler" code. Also look out for programs like bison.

gcc licensing (4, Informative)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917220)

Programs written in GCC have to be published opensource because they use special embedded "assembler" code. Also look out for programs like bison.

There's also the basic C runtime stubs (e.g. crt1.o), though I think that's part of glibc.

However, if you actually bother reading the licenses on the code that gets embedded by bison and gcc, special excemptions are made --

Thus, code compiled with gcc may be distributed under any license you want. Sorry, thanks for playing.

Re:Depends if you use GCC to compile it (4, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917287)

" Programs written in GCC have to be published opensource because ..."

You don't work for Microsoft do you ?

There are zero, nada, none, zilch, 0 licencing restrictions on code created with gcc. There are specific statements to that effect in the code and licencing. Perhaps you should read them.

Simon

Re:Question about licensing? (3, Informative)

Ig0r (154739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917189)

Vorbis uses a BSD-style license, so you can do whatever you like with your derivative works.

Ogg Vorbis is public domain, BSD, and GPL. (5, Informative)

kjoonlee (226243) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917240)

The Ogg Vorbis format itself is public domain.

The reference library is BSD-ish.

The reference tools are GPLed.

Ogg Vorbis 1.0 sounds better than ever (3, Interesting)

boa13 (548222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917113)

Try quality 0. Or even -1. Yes, you're under 64 kbps. 'nuff said.

ALL YOUR BASE IS OGG TO US! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917120)

Vorbis at 96kbps is usually somewhere between the quality of a good 112 or 128 cbr mp3, and I and quite a few other are already in the belief, after early testing from 1.0-ish CVS-code, that it is better than wma8 at 64kbps.

ff123 [ff123.net] will be conducting a 64 kbits/s blind listening test [hydrogenaudio.org] where people will send in their results, and that will show how vorbis stacks up against the likes of wma8, mp3pro and quicktime-AAC.

IMO it doesn't really matter if it is better.. if it is at least comparable, than that should be enough for us to make the switch. Because besides being a flexible codec of high quality, it is open source AND completely free of patents (amazing!).. oh yeah, plus it has that really cool bitrate-peeling feature. Anyway, this is one of the few chances we have to get something right in the computer world (for a change!), so let's not blow it! Spread the word and take your hats off for xiph and vorbis!

The waiting is over people, at last we can start ogging for real! ^_^

Slashdot censorship! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917142)

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Ogg at Emusic.com (3, Insightful)

Milo Fungus (232863) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917144)

Yesterday's roundtable disaster on the subject of DRM raised a few good points about pay-per-download services like Emusic.com. Users are free to do whatever they like with medis files they have legally download.

The problem is that Emusic uses mp3. If they would offer songs in ogg vorbis they would be greatly increasing the quality of their product, giving listeners less reason to pirate and more reason to do legit consumer purchasing. I might even consider joining their service myself.

Re:Ogg at Emusic.com (1)

_Swank (118097) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917194)

i might very well be missing something, but how would emusic's switch from mp3 to ogg give "listeners less reason to pirate and more reason to do legit consumer purchasing?"

Quality? (2)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917222)

If they would offer songs in ogg vorbis they would be greatly increasing the quality of their product

How so? MP3 isn't all that bad. I suspect for many casual listeners, the difference between MP3 and Ogg isn't hugely noticeable for most files.

Re:Quality? (2)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917231)

>I suspect for many casual listeners, the difference between MP3 and Ogg isn't hugely noticeable for most files.

At 128kbps, probably not so easy. But try 64kbps :)

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Now begins the hardest part... (5, Insightful)

atcurtis (191512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917145)

Adoption.

Any piece of technology, no matter how open, free or innovative is useless unless adopted and widely used.

Microsoft uses Market Development Funds to "assist" adoption of their stuff... Such funds are usually in the form of paid holidays to some exotic location for some key executive/manager of companies.

Opensource usually cannot afford such gimmics and rely solely on the merits of the technology.

We can hope (and prey for the religeous among us) that the powers that be at the corporations like the BBC, CNN, ITN, News-Corp etc realise what is the best way to go and don't get their decisions bought by a company which is willing to spend millions of dollars on MDF.

Re:Now begins the hardest part... (1)

Albanach (527650) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917244)

Well, if you want the BBC to support it, read this [bbc.co.uk] and then ask for it [mailto]

Re:Now begins the hardest part... (1)

h0tblack (575548) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917249)

the guys behind the scenes at the beeb were testing ogg vorbis streaming for a while - http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ . Unfortunately the trail is now over although there are people trying to bring the streams back permanently. I really hope they do as the streams are now only in Real formats after Quicktime support was taken down last year.

Re:Now begins the hardest part... (3, Interesting)

oever (233119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917305)

Yesterday, I signed of for beta-testing some hardware: a portable device for playing music from memory or from CD. You had to fill in a form with questions like What kind of environment will you use the apparatus in? - Dry - Wet - Cold - Hot.

One question was: What is your favourite audio format?

And, tadaa, OGG was one of the options.

If you are curious to know which hardware vendor has public beta testing. Heheh, I'm not telling.

Still no specification (0, Flamebait)

Flarners (458839) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917149)

A reference implementation is great and all, but until they get off their arses and release an exact specification of the Ogg format and codec, it's never going to take off. The reference decoder makes extensive use of floating point math, which is great for desktop systems, but absolutely unacceptable for portable devices of any sort. The only way to get an integer decoder right now is either to pay Xiph for their integer decoder (not bloody likely for most hardware companies; they don't have to pay to implement MP3, why should they pay for Ogg?) or to hack one together yourself. The latter option is infeasible until they get their act together and put out a specification.

Sure, someone could just work from the reference implementation, but then their decoder inherits any bugs or other faults of the original decoder, and "features" that weren't meant to be part of the specification become standard. This is not good software engineering, and Xiph is ensuring that Ogg will never be used outside of the circles of smelly Linux zealots who use it now.

Re:Still no specification (5, Informative)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917165)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A reference implementation is great and all, but until they get off their arses and release an exact specification of the Ogg format and codec, it's never going to take off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>

Vorbis 1.0 comes with a full specification.

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Re:Still no specification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917172)

That's _just a little bit_ inaccurate. 1.0 includes a full detailed specification of the entire format. Next time, don't use a pre-prepared rant without checking that your facts are still correct.

Re:Still no specification (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917177)

There's alot of documentation been put into CVS the last few weeks so you'll have to see the docs.

Re:Still no specification (5, Interesting)

RadioheadKid (461411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917204)

Umm...no, check CVS...module vorbis/docs, there's tons or specs in there for you. I think Monty finished them up last night. So before you jump down their throat, get your facts straight. Monty and the other guys have done a lot of work the past few weeks. Why not say thank you instead of spouting off about things you don't even have all the information on. BTW, Ogg Vorbis 1.0 sounds amazing. Better than an other CODEC out there. WMA is in the dust now.

Re:Still no specification (1)

cmstremi (206046) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917297)

I'd love to use it, but it's impractical for me. When I asked the folks at SONICBlue if and when they'd release a firmware update for my RioVolt that would allow me to play .ogg's, they made it clear that there's not really a chance.

What about other companies? Will there be any adoption of this format, or will vorbis only be useful on computers?

I suppose I COULD convert/rerip my music to ogg's and then just convert them to mp3's when I want to burn a CDRW for my RioVolt, but why would I? That's too much trouble.

Re:Still no specification (1)

rantenki (66616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917256)

Ummmm, coz mp3 is patent encumbered? You could build a device that en/decodes without paying the $$$ with Ogg. I realize that mp3 decoders are free, but just decoding music isn't going to be enough for long (we are already seeing encoding recorder/players). As for the fp math, CPLDs/ASICs are cheap now. Duh. I like mp3 too (most of my collection is in mp3 format), but the legal aspects have to be considered.
  • The only way to get an integer decoder right now is either to pay Xiph for their integer decoder (not bloody likely for most hardware companies; they don't have to pay to implement MP3, why should they pay for Ogg?)

pointless (-1, Offtopic)

Jacer (574383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917184)

why don't the editors just remove the article? there's obviously no point in leaving it on...

cdparanoia (1, Offtopic)

ByTor-2112 (313205) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917226)

Great, now they can get back to something I actually care about -- working on cdparanoia for BSD.

Seriously, I think this could be a huge BUST. There is just too much pressure towards proprietary codecs, and the small market share that will use this is not enough to do anything.

Raster Loves Mandrake: chapter 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917241)

The boinkinh

Does anyone know a converter from ogg format to mp3 format for the new Itunes 3

OGG = ghey name (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917247)

This stil has the crown for being the most fucked up name for a project. I mean... OGG Vorbis???

Change the name to one the general public can understand you filthy, small penised GNU Hippies!

Try Speex too (5, Informative)

jmv (93421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917259)

I thought some of you could be interested in my project Speex (http://speex.sourceforge.net), which is like Vorbis but optimized for speech. Bit-rates ranging from 8 kbps to 32 kbps for good quality speech...

Re:Try Speex too (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917291)

Is there a windows version?

Re:Try Speex too (1)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917294)

If it works, then you should try to interest gaming companies. I believe that online multiplayer games will increasingly target broadband connections (Doom 3 MP may be broadband only) and live chat between players will be a killer (as long as anti-asshole measures are in place). But with a 'business-friendly' open-source license, you could really be on to something here.

HH

Why have an ogg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917282)

When you can have a snogg!

Yeah, thanks Cmdr ;) (2)

abischof (255) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917311)

2002-07-15 15:54:22 Ogg Vorbis Goes Gold (articles,announce) (rejected)

Harrumph.

ObOnTopic: So, can anyone recommend a good Ogg-friendly CD-ripper for win32? I'm a big fan of CDex [n3.net] (GPLd even!), but I wasn't sure if there was anything better out there.
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