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Nick Moffitt Interview

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the give-the-monkey-another-hit dept.

GNU is Not Unix 146

Swedish hacker-wannabee writes "Nick Moffitt is in an interesting interview at Gnuheter. Moffitt: 'I want to see a future where when I buy something, I own it. I don't want corporations and governments telling me how I may or may not use my own private property in my own home or among my friends. I want the ability to take apart my toaster or my alarm clock and see how they work, or combine them into something new. I don't think this future is possible without some serious effort on the part of hackers.'"

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suck it down (-1, Troll)

MrHat (102062) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917841)

slashdot is a chicken ranch, karma whorehouse filled with pedophiles, inbred freaks, and terrorist sympathizers. Most of you probably steal music, movies (like your precious tentacle rape anime) and I know the vast majority are turd burglers. How will those japanese scat artists make a living if no one pays for their work? Unlike you, they cannot live on the shit they eat for pleasure the way michael does.

CLIT still 0wns you fruits!

Re:suck it down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917860)

wow! trolling at +2. nice job!

Re:suck it down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917877)

FRIST PSOT CLAIMED.

Dingle my dangle dongle.

Re:suck it down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917878)

nice job mate, if I had mod points I'd bring you up "Insightful" }:>

Re:suck it down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917889)

Well done! Slashdot treats -k'ers like shit these days! We need more trolling @ 2!

Don't forget to sign! [petitiononline.com]

Pehaps the most idiotic things i've heard lately. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917997)

So you want to buy things and own them with disregard to gov't regulations.
Maybe you don't realize how open that argument is to abuse. So just because you can afford a car you should be able to drive it off road, over your neighbours lawn and cat. Maybe if you can buy a gun you should be appoint yourself sheriff and re-create the wild west in your front lawn.

Or maybe your bitching is just about copyrighted music. So what? fair use includes making backups. You just can't share albums you've bought for sale or to people who haven't bought them. But then again you probably don't have a legitimate music collection, just a HD of britney spears and n-sync that somehow is your god-given-right to pirate.

Some of us (but not the majority of bitchy lamers) actually create a marketable product for a living (code, graphics) why should some prick d/l what I spend my time on? Did i give permission to share it out to the rest of the world? The whole intellectual property argument isn't about the metallica's or britney spears of the world (they're actually faily few and far between belive it or not). A totally pirate frendly environment really kills innovation (why invent/create if you won't get paid for it?) Well, some people do things for free (mostly lamers and 14 yr old european kids coding a crappy rip-off OS.

Bah Humbug (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917843)

i hate all these trolls posting as ACs. This site has gone down the crapper.

I HATE TROLLING AS AN AC, TOO, SO BITE ME. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917901)

Re:I HATE TROLLING AS AN AC, TOO, SO BITE ME. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917934)

so get a life and stop trolling AT ALL.

pretty fscking simple. *tard.

-ac

First Comment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917848)

First Comment

frist prost (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917850)

eat der sploog, hum-manz.

Check out this interview! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917851)


Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

First Post !! (-1, Offtopic)

frankgarvinfromSNL (580769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917853)

First Post ! I suck... I know... but its still first post

Update on Slashdot Censorship! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917857)

unique lameness filter cracking id : 000000 (change this when reposting this information)
Version 1.1.8 (last updated 19th July 2002 by Anonymous Coward)

Note to moderators : Do not moderate this post down, if you do then you support the editors stance on censorship and you support the end of free speech and support evil organisations like Microsoft, RIAA, MPAA and laws like the CBTBA and DMCA

Sign this petition, let your voice be heard! [petitiononline.com]

Slashdot is using censorship! It is trying to eridicate free and open discussion like we know slashdot to be, it has the following RESTRICTIONS in place to Censor you

They claim they don't, but they do, wonder why their are so many trolls, crapflooders and lamers on slashdot, because they are fighting for their rights! Slashdot is trying to silence the trolls. Remove the filters, the trolls get bored, and slashdot will be troll free!
  • Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts)
  • Unnessary posting delays. Hasnt taco learned to touch type? A lot of posts are typed in less than 20 seconds and it is a ANNOYING DELAY! 2 minute ban? Come on, so some are faster then others, big deal, some people have more to say than others
  • Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.
  • Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
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Re:Update on Slashdot Censorship! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917945)

You forgot one site:

Slackers Guild [slackersguild.com] . What do you want to do half-assed today?

Re:Update on Slashdot Censorship! (2, Offtopic)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918120)

  • ... Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts) ...
That is very true. I have tried to post code in the past only to be treated to errors such as "average line length to low" or "too many odd characters".

It's crazy. I can't think of any other technology/computer nerd discussion board doesn't let you post code.

Can anyone remember what that thing is that translates C to English and back again? Some guys used it on DeCSS in a song.

Any relation with... (2)

boa13 (548222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917859)

... Jack Moffitt of Ogg Vorbis [slashdot.org] fame? :)

Re:Any relation with... (2)

Sneakums (2534) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917992)

No, they are not related.

Re:Any relation with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918026)

Yes, they are related.

Re:Any relation with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918104)

No, they are related.

Re:Any relation with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918134)

No, they're not related.

Re:Any relation with... (3, Interesting)

nickm (1468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918167)

Actually, no. We were, however, neighbors for at least a year and didn't even know it. I'm actually in his new home town right now, and may drop by to see him this weekend.

Re:Any relation with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918168)

I don't know if he's related to Jack, but isn't he the nimrod who runs a Linux mailing list that won't let anyone using Outlook join?

Re:Any relation with... (2)

kurowski (11243) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918347)

yup, he's the one running a Linux mailing list that won't let any nimrod using Outlook join.

Re:Any relation with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918178)

Yes, they're not not related.

another one? why the hell not! (-1)

Trolling Stones (587878) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917861)

Trolling Stones' lyrics quiz!
See if you can get them all without using a search engine
You must provide the artist and song title for full credit.
Post your answers below.

1) just like the white winged dove
sings a song
sounds like she's singing

2) its a crack im back
yeah were standing on rooftops
having it

3) a mulatto an albino
a mosquito
my libido yeah

4) another night
and i thought it went well
go to another party
and hang myself
gently on the shelf

5) make a joke and i will
sigh and you will laugh
and i will cry

Re:another one? why the hell not! (0, Offtopic)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917876)

1 - fleetwood mac - edge of seventeen
2 - ?
3 - nirvana, smells like teen spirit
4 - ?
5 - black sabbath, paranoid

Re:another one? why the hell not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917911)

2 - No Doubt
4 - Blur

Re:another one? why the hell not! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917927)

edge of seventeen is by Stevie Nicks

Re:another one? why the hell not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918295)

you're right, my mistake.

Re:another one? why the hell not! (0)

Hall and Oates (575706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917946)

2 - Republica, "Ready to go"

Re:another one? why the hell not! (1)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918154)

Ahh, I haven't heard that song for ages. Can someone provide me with a link to a 'backup copy' please? Thx.

WinXP Shows where MS is Going by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917865)

Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going.

"I've heard WinXP removed the cmd/command prompt."

No, Microsoft didn't remove the CMD.EXE or COMMAND.COM prompt from Windows XP. But Windows XP has reduced functionality, in many ways, not just in the command line. The command line is a big embarrassment because of its limited capabilities, but at least in Win 95 it worked. With every version since then it has worked less well. (There are two kinds of command prompt, and, according to Microsoft employees, the differences between them are not documented.)

The command line prompt sometimes begins to display short file names. Microsoft employees say that Microsoft has no fix, although someone not connected with Microsoft did make a work-around.

Cutting and pasting into a command line program often puts successive extra spaces before each line. Microsoft employees say that there is no plan to fix this.

The fast paste mode that is in Windows 98 is gone in Windows XP. Microsoft employees say there is no plan to fix this.

When using the command line interface, Windows XP doesn't always update the time. After several hours, the time reported to command line programs can be several hours in error.

There is a DOS program called START.EXE that can be used to start other programs. But it does operate the same way as in other versions of Windows. It starts a program, but cannot be made to return control to the command line program as previous versions did. There is no technical reason for this; it is just one of the shortcomings that are allowed to exist.

People often say that DOS has gone away. But Microsoft still calls the command line interface DOS, and in Windows XP Microsoft has added new programs for configuring the OS that work only under DOS.

Sometimes when you press a key while using Windows XP, it is seconds until there is any response. Apparently there is something wrong with the CPU scheduler in XP, because there are a lot of complaints about this in the forums and MS people have said that they are working on it. On one particular fresh installation of XP, on an Intel motherboard with either a Matrox G550 or an ATI Radeon video adapter, it requires 18 seconds to display a directory listing of 94 items. This is apparently related to a bug in the video software, not the adapter drivers.

Something is wrong with the Alt-Tab display of running programs under Windows XP. If there are a lot of programs, not all of them are displayed. The order jumps around in a seemingly random way.

Although articles often say negative things about Microsoft, I've never seen an article that fully documents how bad the situation really is. Microsoft's management is so bad that the company has become self-destructive. For example, Windows XP is spyware. Here is a list of ways Windows XP connects to Microsoft's servers:
  1. Application Layer Gateway Service (Requires server rights.)
  2. Fax Service
  3. File Signature Verification
  4. Generic Host Process for Win32 Services (Requires server rights.)
  5. Microsoft Application Error Reporting
  6. Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer
  7. Microsoft Direct Play Voice Test
  8. Microsoft Help and Support Center
  9. Microsoft Help Center Hosting Server (Wants server rights.)
  10. Microsoft Management Console
  11. Microsoft Media Player (tells Microsoft the music you like)
  12. Microsoft Network Availability Test
  13. Microsoft Volume Shadow Copy Service
  14. MS DTC Console program
  15. Run DLL as an app
  16. Services and Controller app
  17. Time Service, sets the time on your computer from Microsoft's computer.
  18. Microsoft Office keeps a number in each file you create that identifies your computer. Microsoft has never said why.
  19. Microsoft mouse software has reduced functionality until you let it connect to Microsoft computers.
These are just the ones I know. There may be others.

So, if you use Windows XP, your computer is dependent on Microsoft computers. That's bad, not only because you lose control over your possession, but because Microsoft produces buggy software and doesn't patch bugs quickly. For example, as of July 7, 2002, there are 18 unpatched security holes in Microsoft Internet Explorer [jscript.dk] . This is a terrible record for a company that has $40 billion in the bank. Obviously, with that kind of money, Microsoft could fix the bugs if it wanted to fix them. Since the bugs are very public and Microsoft has the money, it seems reasonable to suppose that top management at Microsoft has deliberately decided that the bugs should remain, at least for now.

It seems possible that there is a connection between all the bugs and the U.S. government's friendly treatment of Microsoft's law-breaking [usdoj.gov] . The U.S. government's CIA and FBI and NSA departments spy on the entire world, and unpatched vulnerabilities in Microsoft software help spies.

Windows XP, and all current Windows operating systems, have a file called the registry in which configuration information is written. If this one (large, often fragmented) file becomes corrupted, the only way of recovering may be to re-format the hard drive, re-install the operating system, and then re-install and re-configure all the applications. The registry file is a single, very vulnerable, point of failure. Microsoft apparently designed it this way to provide copy protection. Since most entries in the registry are poorly documented or not documented, the registry effectively prevents control by the user.

Note that Microsoft does not support making functional complete backups under Windows XP. Look at Microsoft's policy about this: Q314828 Microsoft Policy on Disk Duplication of Windows XP Installation [microsoft.com] . Only those who work with Microsoft software will understand the true meaning of Microsoft's policy. Since almost all programs use the registry operating system file, if you cannot make a functional copy of the operating system you cannot make a functional copy of all your application installations and configurations. There are other software companies that try to fix this, but they don't work well, and Microsoft can, of course, break their implementations, as they have often done with other kinds of competitors.

Because the configuration information for the motherboard and the configuration information for the are mixed together in the registry file, the registry tends to prevent you from moving a hard drive to a computer with a different motherboard. That's another implication of the above Microsoft policy. So, if you have a motherboard failure, and a good complete backup, you may not be able to recover unless you have a spare computer with the same motherboard.

Note that Windows XP Professional can support only ten simultaneous incoming network connections. If you want more than that, you must use Windows 2000 server, and pay much, much more. (There is no Windows XP server yet.) Many businesses have very light network traffic; they just move files from staff member to staff member; they really don't need a dedicated server computer. The staff computers could easily handle the load except for this artificial limitation.

Apparently because the Windows XP GUI comes from Windows 98, Windows XP has the same problem with desktop icons that Windows 98 has. The icons sometimes flicker. Sometimes they move themselves around, particularly after the user switches monitor resolutions. Also, sometimes the taskbar settings un-configure themselves, as they do in Windows 98.

Only technically knowledgeable people know how to avoid signing up for a Microsoft Passport account during initial use of Windows XP. The name Passport gives an indication of Microsoft's thinking. A passport is a document issued by a sovereign nation. Without it, the nation's citizens cannot travel, and, if they leave, won't be allowed back in their own country. In Microsoft's corporate thinking, the company seems to be moving in the direction of believing that they own the user's computer. Most people are both honest and intimidated. Apparently about 95% do whatever they are asked on the screen. They give their personal information to Microsoft. They don't realize that, if they feel forced to get a Passport account, they should enter almost completely fictitious information, since the real question is not "What is your name and address", but "Can we invade your privacy". The honest answer to this is "No, you cannot invade my privacy", and the only effective way to communicate that is to give completely fictitious information. Since it is the educated people who have computers, Microsoft is building a database of the personal lives of educated people. Microsoft knows when they connect and from what IP address (which tends to show the area), what kind of help they ask, and information about what they are doing with their computers, including what music they like. It is not known, and there is no way to know, how much Microsoft or other organizations make use of this information, or their plans for future use.

Not only has Windows XP definitely gone further in the direction of allowing the user less control over his or her own machine, but with Palladium, Microsoft apparently intends to finish the job: Microsoft will have ultimate control over the user's computer and therefore all his or her data. Even now, under Windows XP, a recent security patch requires that the user agree to a contract that gives Microsoft administrator privileges over the user's computer [theregus.com] . The contract says that if a user wants to patch his or her system against a bug which would allow an attack over the Internet, he or she must give Microsoft legal control over the computer. See this article also: Microsoft's Digital Rights Management-- A Little Deeper [bsdvault.net] . You may need to be a lawyer to take apart the crucial sentence. "These security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and [my emphasis] use other software on your computer" legally includes this meaning: "These updates may disable your ability to use other software on your computer." Note that the term "security related updates" is meaningless to the user because the updates have no relation to user security. So, the sentence effectively means that Microsoft can control the user's computer without notice and whenever it wants. That kind of sentence is known in psychology as "testing the limits". If there is no strong public complaint about this, expect to see more and stronger language like this.

This Register article shows the direction Microsoft is going: MS Palladium protects IT vendors, not you [theregus.com] . Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Microsoft is well down that road. See this ZDNet article, also: MS: Why we can't trust your 'trustworthy' OS [zdnet.com] .

Microsoft's self-destructiveness does not mean that the user should be self-destructive. There is no need to apologize for using Microsoft software. The correct solution to abuse is persuading the abuser to stop being abusive. Once I posted to a Slashdot story a link to an article on a web site of mine. By far the majority of visitors from the Slashdot story used Microsoft operating systems. Rather than feel embarrassed because Microsoft is abusive, action needs to be taken to prevent the abuse. If you are against Microsoft abuse, you are not against Microsoft; you are more pro-Microsoft than Bill Gates.

These Microsoft policies mean that any government which wants to be independent of the United States government, and any government which represents itself as controlled by the people, cannot use Microsoft operating systems, or other Microsoft proprietary systems.




- posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

0kv6U12l7h Post #300

Good Analogy... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917880)

'I want to see a future where when I buy something, I own it. I don't want corporations and governments telling me how I may or may not use my own private property in my own home or among my friends

Would you consider that you owned your own voice?? Would you think that not allowing yourself to voice your opinion on a product you support is bad?

What about restricting the number of posts on slashdot?

This is on topic, and to the point (but seeing michael is editting this article, I already sense the modslap). No one realizes the draconian restrictions slashdot has posted in recent days. Notice no trolls, people?
They are being restricted!

What was wrong with -1 where they were hidden to everyone but those that wanted to read them?

Do as we say, not as we do, eh michael?

I think you need to remove the restrictions, or get rid of the YRO section. I hate hypocrits!!!

Re:Good Analogy... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917907)

I agree with you, please sign the Petition [petitiononline.com] Im fighting this to the end!

Re:Good Analogy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917931)

Your petition will be as successful as T(H)GSB!

Malda does what he wants, regardless of what you think.

He'll be the captain that goes down with his ship.

Yeah, damnit! (2)

ebbomega (410207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918145)

If you can't use Slashdot for everything you want to, you should march up to the office and demand your $0 back!!!!!!

Re:Yeah, damnit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918171)

Your right, I haven't pulled out money from my wallet and put in in slashdot...

Or have I??

This comment is rediculous! The only way slashdot makes a profit (if it indeed is profitable) is banners. We click the banners, slashdot gets money.

This isn't just a site that gives away free stories, its a business (although VA is in the shitter, atm, its still a business). So, in essense, every person that logs into slashdot indirectly lines the pockets of the editors.

So when an editor is an ass? They are an ass to a client. When an editor insults a user? They are insulting a client.

You are one of those idealistic Gnu Hippies, I can tell. You have no sense of business or capitalism.

Hope you enjoy unemployment!

Re:Yeah, damnit! (2)

ebbomega (410207) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918220)

Jesus Christ.

Just because someone's getting paid for you to come here doesn't mean that you're the one who's paying them. Have you taken money out of your pocket and given it to the slashdot folk?

You're saying that because someone else is paying for something that it should do what you want it to. That makes a LOT of sense.

Re:Yeah, damnit! (1)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918246)

You sound very money-driven. Consider this: maybe people do things because they care about them with a passion, rather than they are being given spending tokens for the chore.

Re:Good Analogy... (1, Offtopic)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918147)

This is on topic, and to the point (but seeing michael is editting this article, I already sense the modslap). No one realizes the draconian restrictions slashdot has posted in recent days. Notice no trolls, people?
They are being restricted!

What was wrong with -1 where they were hidden to everyone but those that wanted to read them?


I see a number of them in this very story. Some at -1, several at 0, and yours at +1 and holding.

knowledgeable buyers (2, Interesting)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917882)

Who here doesn't know what they're buying? And if you don't know and you don't like it, you can return it to where you bought it from (most of the time). If you own something, can you destroy it? Yes. If you own something is it anyone elses responsibility to make it better or fix it when it's broke? No. This is why we have consumer awareness groups, so you know what you're actually buying. You can't buy a car and whine because it's not a convertable, but you want to easily make it a convertable.

Basically this is a whiner article if you ask me.

Re:knowledgeable buyers (2, Interesting)

Digitalia (127982) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917965)

I missed his point at first, as I believe you have. he does not care about the ability to destroy his property, nor does he desire the manufactures to make it easier for him to hack his property. His desire, I believe, is to protect that very right to hack, which is so quickly disappearing. Some may scoff, but the trend in software--of protecting intellectual property so greatly as to render any consumers impotent to hack--can very easily be caried over into the "physical" world. These laws, such as the DMCA, pose a serious threat to the hacking of other, non-computer items. This is the threat which hackers must take seriously.

Re:knowledgeable buyers (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918267)

that very right to hack, which is so quickly disappearing.

Isn't some of that disappearing due to progress and integration and not just evil corporate intent? Once upon a time you could hack on logic cards with discreet resistors, diodes and transistors, often get schematics for maintenance. Now you just get a 74xx IC and use it, if it malfunctions you toss it out. You can't fix it or alter it. Once upon a time car engines were fairly simple and easy to work on with a complement of common tools - now with EFI etc you need expensive equipment to 'hack' on one. Part of the price of 'progress' is loss of fine grained techno-control and dependance on factory service, special tools and unique parts, which most people don't mind at all, other than the monopolistic price gouging it give them.

Re:knowledgeable buyers (2)

CaffeineAddict2001 (518485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917974)

No, but you can whine when the federal government throws you in jail because you decided to show a group of people how to saw off the top of a car so tall people can sit in it!

Re:knowledgeable buyers (3, Informative)

Chuut-Riit (48419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918045)

Moffitt's concern is legitimate. Patent owners sometimes attempt (with varying degrees of success) to restrict the ability of purchasers of products covered by the patent claims to use/modify/dispose of the products that have been purchased.

For example, there is something called the "doctrine of permissible repair", which I believe attempts to draw a line between a purchaser's repair of a patented device, and the unauthorized "making" of the device (and resulting patent infringement).

There is also a case where Company A sold a nebulizer (a device for administering medication in aerosolized form) with an imprint "for single use only". Company B began a business of refurbishing the nebulizers (stripping off unsterilizable parts, sterilizing the rest, and adding replacement parts) that allowed hospitals to reuse the devices at a fraction of the cost. Company A sued Company B for patent infringement and won.

Wrong (2)

unformed (225214) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918173)

If I buy a car that's not a convertible, but I want to turn it into a convertible, that's fine.

The manufacturer doesn't have to help me, they don't have to give me any details, but I -am allowed- to take a saw, forcefully remove the car top, and hack a soft top in there.

(Note: I haven't read the article because it's \.'ed, so I might be completely off-base, but I don't think so.)

OTOH, the way things are going now, with the DMCA and all, it is going to be legally prohibitedfor me to make modifications on items that I OWN, which is not right under any circumstances; and that's not the kind of future I want.

Inapt analogy. again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918257)

cars vs fair use?

wait a few days before posting so you can sober up

Text of article (2)

casio282 (468834) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917900)

Seems to be slashdotted already, so here's the text (don't mod up, karma is just fine thanks):

So who the hell is that Nick Moffitt? He keeps showing up at mailing lists and in any context where the GNU might be mentioned. Moffitt is always rather militant, but never boring. I decided to pick Moffitt's brain on behalf of the Gnuheter readers.

As a general rule, Gnuheter never publishes interviews or news stories in any other language than Swedish. After all, Gnuheter is all the leading forum on open source and free software in the Nordic countries. The Americans have Slashdot, Newsforge. The British have The Register. So why publish an interview in English? Well, I thought Nick Moffitt is interesting enough to reach a wider audience. Plus - and probably more important to yours truly - most of his answers can not be easily translated, regardless of Moffitt's crazy rants about localization. Please be advised that some of the hyperlinks in the interview will crash your computer, should you use Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer.

That much said, I leave the microphone to the soon to be famous Nick Moffitt. Enjoy!

# Who is Nick Moffit?

It's Moffitt, actually. The name is Scottish, and was originally "Moffat". Centuries of misspelling have created 24 different variations on the name that are recognized by clan Moffat. I've actually been to Moffat, which is also a town in the lowlands off of M74 somewhere.

I'm a big fan of urban rail, and I've been getting into photography both with the aiptek pencams (which are marketed as spycams in the UK), and with the Russian LOMO LC-A 35mm camera. I'm a Debian bigot, but I've been fiddling with Gentoo recently. I'm mostly hacking on the LNX-BBC lately, and maintaining GAR.

I've lived in San Francisco for the past seven or eight years, and have instigated a lot of nefariousness around here. I've seen the dot-coms come and go, which means I've seen a full cycle of San Francisco's life go by. Much of SF's growth has been based on gold rushes, whether it be gold, military construction during WWII, the magazine industry, or whatever. You can see a brief explanation of San Francisco's most recent craziness in the FAQ.

So right now my city is in hard times, but I plan to stick with it. It's the only real city West of the Mississippi river!

# Why?

I was a big BBS weenie in the late 1980s/early 1990s. I probably wouldn't have cared so much, but I found that the Citadel BBS software had such a neat development community in the Seattle area. It was just so cool to see development of the BBS being discussed ON the BBS network. After all, the source code was "public domain" (which is impossible under current copyright law in the US, but emulatable via the MIT X license nowadays).

So I got hooked on this whole free-for-all, where prospective developers read up the code on their own time and flung code into the discussion areas for prospective inclusion or adaptation into the BBS. It was only natural that I'd get hooked on the GNU community in the same way.

# What is Crackmonkey and why should we care?

So around about 1997 I wrote what was probably my first GPL'd program. Before then I had just been throwing code snippets out and figuring that licensing wasn't important. The program was a hideous Perl CGI that solved some problems I saw with the then-current state of Web-based BBSes and guestbooks.

But when there was a bug with the BBS, it meant that no one could discuss the problem on the BBS! So I started the crackmonkey mailing list. The original message never made it to the archives, but my brother quoted the entire thing in a mockery of novice listserv users.

Eventually the list dwarfed the BBS (since Web pages are still clumsy for holding conversations), and the phenomenon known as CrackMonkey was born. I think it was about 2000 when I implemented the "no Windows MUA" filters, making it so that you pretty much have to use Free Software to post to the list (or be clever enough to fake it).

The list was modeled largely after the discussion list that accompanies Pigdog Journal. They were a bunch of San Francisco Bay Area BBS weenies, while the original CrackMonkeys were old Seattle BBS weenies.

The crackmonkey.org Web site has always been just sort of this neglected pile of pages that lead you to the list. Even the FAQ is just a bunch of mailing list postings that I felt like including. It's also been a source of controversy, since it used to garble the kernels of folks who visited it with IE5. See the fanmail section for some love I got from IE users.

Crackmonkey's motto is "Non Sequitur arguments and Ad Hominem personal attacks".

# Seven Dollar history of Unix - is that something to send to my mother?

It's funny, but that document is three years old, and incomplete. I had always planned to write a final chapter about the San Francisco user group community and the progression of the dominant distro among hackers as SLS -> Slackware -> Red Hat -> Debian. I was just stuck in the middle of it all, and couldn't find a smooth way to work it into what was essentially a historical document.

I am always surprised when I see reporters including my own sentences in their boilerplate descriptions of Unix and Linux. That paper is designed to help spread the meme that the Unix community always wanted Free Software, and it just took GNU, Linux, and BSD to get it to us. In that aspect, I have been incredibly pleased with its popularity.

I never expected it to be so heavily linked. It's currently the sixth real hit for "unix history" on google, after Open Sources and the official Dennis Ritchie documents.

Some day I'll add a little more to it, I suppose. I'd like to add a bit in between Unix and BSD about the Software Tools book (which was sort of the Cygwin of the 1970s), and finish the final section. The user group communities in the Bay Area have dwindled away, largely because installing and using GNU/Linux isn't as exciting or new or challenging any more. Installfests made sense in the Slackware era, but now any newbie can point-and-click through a Mandrake install. I can now safely write about the user groups in the past tense.

It's definitely something to send to your mother, though. It's a nice quick introduction to the assumptions made by free software hackers. It presents the perspective that proprietary software is this weird thing from the 1980s that really should never have caught on.

# Why should we not use GIFs? What should we do instead?

The original GIF spec was written by someone who wanted an open standard that could be implemented independently by anyone. Unfortunately, he didn't realize that the compression algorithm he had specified was patent pending.

Now, decompression algorithms are often self-explanatory, since it is the job of the file format to tell decompressors how to unpack something. But the compression algorithms are prone to all sorts of arbitrary distinctions without differences.

So if you ask 17 programmers how they would have solved the problems that LZW solved, you get 17 different (but correct) solutions. Thus, the patent is difficult to challenge in US courts.

As a result, the displaying of GIFs is not under threat by patent claims -- mozilla is likely in good shape. But the generation of GIFs is subject to the whims of UNiSYS, which is this old dinosaur company that doesn't make anything anymore (relying on old patents for revenue).

So this means that if you distribute a GIF that you made with the gimp, you're liable to be sued by UNiSYS! This is because neither the UC Berkeley XCF or the GNOME folks or the FSF licensed the LZW compression algorithm from them. So if you put up a Web site in the US that has GIFs on it, you're likely in trouble.

So what do you do if you have a bunch of GIFs on your site, and you don't want to be sued by Unisys? You pay Unisys US$5000! That's what they charge for people who distribute GIFs that were made using Free Software. If you run 72 Web sites on your machine, you'll have to pay US$360000!

PNG, however, uses the same algorithm that gzip does. It's an unencumbered format for lossless compression, and the browser support for the basic features is already there! People complain about how the PNG support in old IEs and suchforth isn't very good, but they're usually talking about the features of PNG that GIF doesn't have. PNG files tend to be smaller than their GIF counterparts, and they even support alpha channels!

# If GNU is the answer, then what was the question?

How can I use computers without being antisocial? How can I be sure that my hacking won't be sealed off from the light of day? How can I connect with other hackers via What It Is We Do?

# What should the Scandinavians do about the Windows domination?

It seems that Microsoft is now giving away software to governments that are looking to avoid them. It's tough for people to see the hidden costs in their stuff, since they usually charge you up front. They've been able to FUD about Total Cost of Ownership because people really are skeptical about things being free (as in beer).

I recall about two years ago, Iceland was having trouble convincing Microsoft that their market was big enough to warrant an Icelandic localization. They couldn't even convince Microsoft to let them do it for free. I thought this was an excellent opportunity to show how GNU could be made to work in places that no other OS could. As a bonus, they would create jobs inside Iceland instead of sending more dollars to the US economy.

The real trick is to make the localization seamless. If I were to see a Russian OS that was later localized to fit the US market, I'd probably still think of it as this strange Russian thing that was trying to break into the US market. GNOME and KDE have major development efforts in Northern and Central Europe, and the Linux Kernel was started by an ethnic Swede. Yet things are still primarily in English (just look at dmesg or syslog!).

Quite possibly my most widely-used project is GAR, which is the build system used by the LNX-BBC project and GARNOME. It's a lot like the BSD ports system, but GNU make is much cleaner to write in than pmake. I regularly see output from a localized make, but with all sorts of English compile errors and such:

| dparammanager.c:914: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
| make[5]: *** [libgstcontrol_la-dparammanager.lo] Erreur 1
| make[5]: Quitte le répertoire

If you can make it readily apparent that GNU is not specifically a US product, you may be able to stir up some nationalistic pride and anti-US sentiment about the majority of proprietary OSes. Keep the money and the jobs at home! This stuff is written by Scandinavians!

# What was refund day really about?

It was originally someone's idea of a protest. Everyone should go to their vendors and demand refunds as per the Windows license that came with bundled PCs. It said right there in black-and-white that if you didn't use Windows, you should return it for a refund.

But that lacked pressworthiness. It would be loose and there would be no visible statistical record that "wow, all these people are demanding their refunds!". So Rick Moen and Don marti and I started planning a trip down to Foster City, CA to demand our refund from Microsoft. We'd already tried the vendors; and they weren't the ones who wrote the license, so they ignored us!

Ultimately it was a way to get the message out that there were people who didn't want Windows. We were pointing out that PC does not mean Microsoft. We were challenging a lot of people's assumptions. We had to convince people that
1: no, we actually never used this stuff even once and
2: the license plainly encouraged us to get a refund.

# Will you ever give up?

No way! We hackers now have our own page in history, and the GPL lets us hack in perpetuity. We've got the leverage to fight for the rights of hobbyists and hackers everywhere. I see a lot more fighting ahead for the GNU and EFF types. It's going to be a lot of legal bickering, but free software is also just going to keep getting better!

So we'll have lots to fight for, and lots to play with. Beaujolais to our side!

Here are some things that I still want to fight for:

1: Even though Unix is 32 years old, GNU is nearly 20 years old, Linux is 11 or 12 years old, and Windows 95 is 7 years old, articles always refer to "the upstart Linux operating system".

2: Every year that goes by, RMS's "The Right to Read" seems less and less like Science Fiction and more like a realistic projection of the future. We need to defang the DMCA in the US and other laws that threaten our ability to distribute our original works as artisans and hackers.

3: Software patents are still going strong in the US, and working their way into other countries. What a horrible state of affairs!

I want to see a future where when I buy something, I own it. I don't want corporations and governments telling me how I may or may not use my own private property in my own home or among my friends. I want the ability to take apart my toaster or my alarm clock and see how they work, or combine them into something new. I don't think this future is possible without some serious effort on the part of hackers.

# Finally, I guess Bill Gates wonders why you are such a nuisance. Why is that?

Heh. I doubt I even show up on his radar. I went to a rival high school to his (I grew up in Seattle), and never really paid that much attention to Microsoft after Windows Refund Day. My attitude toward Microsoft is usually

"Oh yeah, don't they make keyboards or something?"

We live in a wonderful era, where GNU lets us more or less totally ignore these proprietary systems if we want to. It's good that some developers are playing with these systems in order to write some of their best features into GNU, but they use Windows so that I don't have to!

NICE WHORING JOB-"KARMA'S FINE." MOD -1, REDUNDANT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917923)

Re:NICE WHORING JOB-"KARMA'S FINE." MOD -1, REDUND (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918008)

too bad all the moderators are battling back the trolls and crapflooders posting AC at 0... maybe they'd have points to agree with you.

-ac

Re:Text of article (1)

Teknogeek (542311) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917947)

The real trick is to make the localization seamless. If I were to see a Russian OS that was later localized to fit the US market, I'd probably still think of it as this strange Russian thing that was trying to break into the US market. GNOME and KDE have major development efforts in Northern and Central Europe, and the Linux Kernel was started by an ethnic Swede. Yet things are still primarily in English (just look at dmesg or syslog!).

Think this guy played Ultima Online too?

You have found: a magic boardsword [accurate/power]

Re:Text of article (2)

el_nino (4271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918126)

Seems to be slashdotted already, so here's the text (don't mod up, karma is just fine thanks):
nino@vic20:~$ uptime
20:20:46 up 37 days, 2:22, 7 users, load average: 172.39, 165.60, 134.11
Thanks, Slashdot!

And I was trying to read my mail on that box...

Another interview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918137)

linux-kernel.tk [linux-kernel.tk] has an interview from a month ago. He reiterates most of the same points, but also discusses Free software in the post-9/11 world.

A good read.

Re:Text of article (1)

Fjord (99230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918161)

karma is just fine thanks

Just fine? Mine's "excellent"!

Too many connections.. (1)

SeanTobin (138474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917902)

This is why the government is trying to put a stop to hackers fiddeling with things. People go run apache on thier toaster, and it has problems with saturated connections to the database on thier alarm clock. This must be stopped now!

Could be worse (1)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918179)

I'm concerned with all the traffic in between my household devices they'll one day become self aware and I'll find myself waking up to the digitized voice of the apartment collective telling me: "resistance is futile... make your own toast".

-Matt

What Scares me (4, Funny)

Medevo (526922) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917903)

What scares me is what is he going to do when he combines that toaster and alarm clock.

Are we going to get toast at 6:00am every day or an Alarm that burns your head if you do not turn it off quick?

Medevo

Re:What Scares me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917996)

Worse yet, you oversleep and it burns your house down for you! YIKES!

Re:What Scares me (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918030)

i doubt he would strap the toaster to a person's head. but maybe rig it such that the toaster starts toasting the bread when the alarm goes off (kinda like coffee pots), but the drill here is to stop the toast from burning, instead of letting it burn the house down.

Re:What Scares me (1)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918209)

I think he may have been joking.

Re:What Scares me (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918339)

i knew he was. i was trying to add to it with the house burning down remark.

Re:What Scares me (2)

nickm (1468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918185)

Choose carefully, Medevo! For while one option brings sweet, sweet freedom, the other brings death!

Damn! /.'ed again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917915)

Warning: Too many connections in /home/html/gnuheter/mainfile.php on line 16
Unable to select database

It could be worse, your fileserver could be on fire.... oh wait.. that's MY fileserver.... crap!

Amen! (3, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917926)

You know, I think we need to start thinking of the hackers of years gone by. This sort of clear, concrete idea of what's at stake will really help get through to the baby-boomer engineering crowd and explain, "You know that radio you took apart when you were a kid? For the next generation, it will come with an EULA and be protected from tampering by at least 4 fedral laws that carry fines and prison terms."

There is a generation out there, most of whom have no idea what this generation think, but who will feel compelled to action if they think future engineers and tinkerers will be disuaded from early experimentation.

How can we get that message out? Where do we tell that story? Certainly there are media outlets like Popular Science, Scientific American, etc.

Anyone out there a well credited sociologist and want to take on the comparison of 1950s/60s egineering boomers with the early 2000s hackers and the threats to their future that boomers never had to worry about?

Re:Amen! (1)

Meshach (578918) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918213)

The difference in most computer products (software atleast) is that they can be duplicated with little cost or effort on the part of the duplicator
With other types of copying the cost to duplicate is higher so it acts as a deterent in a way
Not that I am fully supporting copying restrictions but there is two sides to the story

The Future... (1)

RazorJ_2000 (164431) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917962)

Eventually, the future will consist of two classes of people. Those obedient peons that follow all the rules laid down by Big Brother and Big Corporations, and those that just say fuck it and carve their path in life.

I'm in latter category. You won't see me coming.

Re:The Future... (2)

Sneakums (2534) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918021)

You won't see me coming.

Right, except that you just REVEALED YOUR CUNNING PLAN in a PUBLIC FORUM.

Re:The Future... (1)

RazorJ_2000 (164431) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918072)


Doh!!

Re:The Future... (2)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918206)

Pfff! That's nothing! Hitler wrote a BOOK about how he was going to take over the world, AND NOBODY CAUGHT ON! Go figure.

Cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918164)

you have a cloaking device.

Re:The Future... (2)

r_j_prahad (309298) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918296)

[...], and those that just say fuck it and carve their path in life.

We have those now, they're called inmates.

Re:The Future... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918310)

"...and those that just say fuck it and carve their path in life. I'm in latter category. You won't see me coming."

A funny thing about life is that people who actually need to state this tend to be some of the most boring SOBs youc could ever met. And when you really analyze them, they are just following another group or trend, just one that isn't in the media's top 40 list.

The really creative and unique people never actually declare themselves as such.

anti GPL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917967)

'I want to see a future where when I buy something, I own it. I don't want corporations and governments telling me how I may or may not use my own private property in my own home or among my friends.

That's why I don't like the GPL license. BSD baby!

RMS Interview (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917975)

Hey, RMS, what the fuck is up? I'm glad I got the opportunity to perform this interview with you. [coughs]
RMS: Hello. I'm glad I got the opportunity to speak to another individual, interested in Free Software, that will eventually reach millions with the message I wish to express in this interview.
Yeah, whatever. Let's get this over with... Firstly, let's talk about the origins of GNU. We all know it's Not UNIX. But where, exactly, did it come from? What was your prime inspiration for such a fine, grand, practical idea?
RMS: I'm glad you asked that.
I'm not.
RMS: Ah, [laughs] You have a unique sense of humor, comrade!
I know. And don't call me comrade. Or your friend, ally, brother, homey... I don't like you or your body odor. Now answer the question.
RMS: Ah [nervous laughter] yes... GNU. Well, after reading the works of Marx and Lenin, and having attended MIT and created several programs (GCC among them, of course) to which the source code was freely (as in speech, and beer) available, I began to see a certain communal effort begin to take shape among the software developers in the labs where I worked. However, the "administration" at MIT improperly thought that, since my works were created at MIT, they and their source belonged to MIT. This was in conflict with my embryonic philosphy--
Hey, could you just cut your ideological bullshit and get to the part where you were taking a dump and farted out the GNU / Free Software concept as we know it today?
RMS: Ah, I don't think I know what you're referring to. I certainly don't remember any toilet episodes being involved with the creation of GNU or Free Software...
Oh really? It's hard for me to imagine a toilet not having been involved in the creation of Free Software. No, I'm talking about how one day you were sitting in a stall at MIT's grand restroom facilities, peeped thru the glory hole bored in the stall wall to look for customers, and saw a man's ass tatooed with a bull or a yak or something.
RMS: WHAT!?
Okay, okay, okay-- Let's move on. How about your musical talents? From graphics posted at your homepage, it looks like you're fairly proficient on the flute. How did you obtain that talent?
RMS: That's rather simple: just a lot of practice and determination. The instruments you've seen me playing on my website are pan-pipes, actually, and not flutes. I began taking lessons from my father while him and I were still talking. I can play the flute, however, and--
Skin-flute.
RMS: Excuse me?
You heard me. Skin-flute. You play the skin-flute. That's why you're so good on those porn-pipes or whatever the Hell you called them. You are a skin-flute virtuoso and can play them like nobody's business. "Master skin-flutist RMS." Skin-flute.
RMS: Ah, I think this interview's getting a little off-track from its focus of Free Software and the GNU philosphy.
Of course it is. And why the fuck do you begin every sentence with "ah?" Anyway, I'll indulge you. New question. What's all this I hear about you dropping acid like there's no tomorrow?
RMS: Hey, look, I'm willing to spend my time discussing and even debating about the GNU concept and Free Software. I'm a very busy man--
No you're not.
RMS: I'm a very busy man and I simply cannot tolerate spending my valuable time digressing onto useless topics, much less helping you slander my good name--
Shut up.
RMS: I believe we're talking at cross-purposes here and I wish to terminate this interview now.
I believe your style is cross-dressing and I wish to inform you've been trolled. Do you know what a DGH is?
RMS: What? Excuse me? I said I wanted to stop this interview now!
A "DGH" is a Dirty GNU Hippy. You're a DGH. You're a pinko Commy too. Learn to bath, shave, and wipe your ass properly, and you'll make it in general society. But at least you aren't ESR so yo have something going for you already. Good day, Corporal Crapola of the GNU Commando!

Re:RMS Interview (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918043)

That's funny! Add to it please.

CURSES!!! (0, Offtopic)

tusixoh (561920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917982)

Foiled again by the almighty SlashDot effect. Damn you all!!

getting back to our roots (2, Insightful)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3917990)

This is a good interview. The right of property ownership was a basic tenet on which this country was founded. I agree that it is tragic to see laws passed such as the DMCA that dictate what one may or may not do with one's property. Indeed, the last time we had a crisis over property ownership, it lead to the bloodiest war of our history, the Civil War. This is an issue that affects us all.

That said, we have seen a growing trend towards larger corporations. Improvements in communication and transportation technologies have made larger, more distributed businesses practical for the first time. This trend shows no signs of slowing.

Sadly for the consumer, this implies a decrease in the number of providers of any given service or product. This need not (and likely will not) bring with it a decrease in the competitiveness of the markets involved, though anti-globalists will no doubt wail about the end of "competition," which is apparently a count of corporations rather than a metric for economic efficiency.

The long and short of it is, even in the absence of patent and copyright laws (and there's no reason to suspect that they would go anywhere) that specifically give businesses extra rights in these situations, manufacturers will still have the ability to contract with their customers (retailers), who will have the ability (and, for the sake of argument, the contractual obligation) to contract with we, the end users. And these contracts will largely prohibit us from hacking, reverse engineering, and anything else that the manufacturer deems threatening.

If we do see a time when property may be freely modified and inspected, unhindered by contracts and EULAs, then it will be in a true free market system, well after the government has been done away with and the economy has had time to restabilize. Until then, the market will just not be competitive enough (in the true meaning of competition; number of businesses doesn't matter) for corporations to risk their intellectual property by offering consumers less restrictive terms.

Slashdot is trying to censor this information! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3917994)

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BBC NEWS [bbc.co.uk]
News.com [com.com]
Linux online [linux.org]
Linux daily news network [linuxdailynews.net]
Weird news from dailyrotten.com [dailyrotten.com]
Trollaxor, news for trolls, they are real people too! [trollaxor.com]
CNN.com [cnn.com]
New york times (free registration required) [nytimes.com]
LINUX.com [linux.com]
News forge [newsforge.net]
K5 [kuro5hin.org]
Mandrake forum [mandrakeforum.com]
Toms hardware [tomshardware.com]
The register [theregister.co.uk]
Kde dot news [kde.org]
The linux kernel Archives [kernel..org]
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Re:Slashdot is trying to censor this information! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918069)

That is DISCRIMINATION! How would you like to only be able to speak once a day, just because of the color of your skin.

unfortunately, your argument has absolutely no merit, because you are not being silenced because of the color of your skin, you are being silenced because you are a moron. there are no constitutions on this planet which protect against discrimination because you are a moron. race, gender, religion, etc, are protected, being a moron is not.

go complain somewhere else. go troll somewhere. just do yourself a favor and put a 0.0.0.0 entry in your /etc/hosts for slashdot.org.

try hiking, or reading a book. maybe go back to college and pick up an advanced degree.

*tard.

-ac

Unfortunately.. (1)

IdIoTt (130358) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918000)

I do not see his ideas coming to bear any time soon. The government doesn't see fit to allow us to actually own our own land (try not paying personal property taxes and see what happens to your house) why would they allow us to actually own anything else we've paid for?

Big Brother owns you, the only way to get your soul back is to vote some intelligent and moral people into government. I do not see that happening either, as there is no profit in it.
*shrug*

Id

i luv gcc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918044)

why r u said bad things about gnu? i like gcc, we use it in my programming class, and now i have writen a great pr0gram whre you enter 5 numbers and it prints the sums of those numbers. thanks to stallman's community source opening i am free to cotnribute this tothe community, and I know no evil CORP$ will steal my source and use it for profit!

I support BSD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918055)

because I like BSD-like licensed software; I also love good comertial software, yes that does include closed source software.
The license I use for my software is like this [brentmark.com] , and is the one I think all commertial software should have.

Btw, I think GPL sucks, as it has the troublesome property that it forces less freedom on everyone compared to the BSD-like.

DO NOT MODERATE UNLESS YOU SUPPORT CENSORSHIP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918057)

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  • Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts)
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  • Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.
  • Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
  • Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".
  • Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
Subnet banning, this bans a user unless they email jamie macarthy with their mp5ed ipids. This is unfair, and banning a subnet BLOCKS A WHOLE ISP SOMETIMES, and not that individual user! This can cause chaos! But real trolls use annoymous proxys to get around this so THIS JUST BANS LEGITMATE USERS! Also, they are trying to censor some anoymous proxies, mainly from countrys like africa, so this yet more DISCRIMINATION!

But, the issue that concerens us the most, is the COMMENT QUOTA. A discrimatory system that stiffles discussion, cripples the community and will ultimateley destroy slashdot unless it is removed! Annoymous cowards are allowed only 10 posts a day! This is unethical! Users with negative karma only get two! That is DISCRIMINATION! How would you like to only be able to speak once a day, just because of the color of your skin. That would be racism, and slashdot is discrimitating on people just because of a negative number in a database! BOYCOTT SLASHDOT! LET THEM DIE!

We wan't these stupid useless restrictions REMOVED! This comment will be posted again and again until it does!

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MSNBC [msnbc.com]
BBC NEWS [bbc.co.uk]
News.com [com.com]
Linux online [linux.org]
Linux daily news network [linuxdailynews.net]
Weird news from dailyrotten.com [dailyrotten.com]
Trollaxor, news for trolls, they are real people too! [trollaxor.com]
CNN.com [cnn.com]
New york times (free registration required) [nytimes.com]
LINUX.com [linux.com]
News forge [newsforge.net]
K5 [kuro5hin.org]
Mandrake forum [mandrakeforum.com]
Toms hardware [tomshardware.com]
The register [theregister.co.uk]
Kde dot news [kde.org]
The linux kernel Archives [kernel..org]
Adequecy [adequacy.org]

There are hundreds more, But this is where slashdot STEALS THE MAJORITY OF its "news" from.

Punish them, here are their emails, spam them, flame them goatse them!
Rob malda [mailto]
Jamie Macarthy [mailto]
ChrisD [mailto]
Hemos [mailto]
Micheal [mailto]
Pudge [mailto]

The others ones apperantly dont have an e-mail, probably because ROB MALDA IS PRETENDING HE IS JOHN KATZ.

Thank you for reading this, please feel free to repost this information, please reply to add your comments, fight slashdot and its CENSORSHIP

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1984 (0)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918071)

I want to see a future where when I buy something, I own it

That's the radical new thinking that will send you in jail young man...

Moderate at your peril! CENSORHIP AT SLASHDOT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918079)

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Note to moderators : Do not moderate this post down, if you do then you support the editors stance on censorship and you support the end of free speech and support evil organisations like Microsoft, RIAA, MPAA and laws like the CBTBA and DMCA

Sign this petition, let your voice be heard! [petitiononline.com]

Slashdot is using censorship! It is trying to eridicate free and open discussion like we know slashdot to be, it has the following RESTRICTIONS in place to Censor you

They claim they don't, but they do, wonder why their are so many trolls, crapflooders and lamers on slashdot, because they are fighting for their rights! Slashdot is trying to silence the trolls. Remove the filters, the trolls get bored, and slashdot will be troll free!
  • Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts)
  • Unnessary posting delays. Hasnt taco learned to touch type? A lot of posts are typed in less than 20 seconds and it is a ANNOYING DELAY! 2 minute ban? Come on, so some are faster then others, big deal, some people have more to say than others
  • Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.
  • Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
  • Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".
  • Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
Subnet banning, this bans a user unless they email jamie macarthy with their mp5ed ipids. This is unfair, and banning a subnet BLOCKS A WHOLE ISP SOMETIMES, and not that individual user! This can cause chaos! But real trolls use annoymous proxys to get around this so THIS JUST BANS LEGITMATE USERS! Also, they are trying to censor some anoymous proxies, mainly from countrys like africa, so this yet more DISCRIMINATION!

But, the issue that concerens us the most, is the COMMENT QUOTA. A discrimatory system that stiffles discussion, cripples the community and will ultimateley destroy slashdot unless it is removed! Annoymous cowards are allowed only 10 posts a day! This is unethical! Users with negative karma only get two! That is DISCRIMINATION! How would you like to only be able to speak once a day, just because of the color of your skin. That would be racism, and slashdot is discrimitating on people just because of a negative number in a database! BOYCOTT SLASHDOT! LET THEM DIE!

We wan't these stupid useless restrictions REMOVED! This comment will be posted again and again until it does!

Inportant imformation for users
Boycott slashdot, they are pissing over their community, they are becoming like the RIAA and MICROSOFT! Do NOT TOLERATE THIS SHIT! Here are some real news for nerds sites. We don't need slashdot, slashdot deserves to die!

MSNBC [msnbc.com]
BBC NEWS [bbc.co.uk]
News.com [com.com]
Linux online [linux.org]
Linux daily news network [linuxdailynews.net]
Weird news from dailyrotten.com [dailyrotten.com]
Trollaxor, news for trolls, they are real people too! [trollaxor.com]
CNN.com [cnn.com]
New york times (free registration required) [nytimes.com]
LINUX.com [linux.com]
News forge [newsforge.net]
K5 [kuro5hin.org]
Mandrake forum [mandrakeforum.com]
Toms hardware [tomshardware.com]
The register [theregister.co.uk]
Kde dot news [kde.org]
The linux kernel Archives [kernel..org]
Adequecy [adequacy.org]

There are hundreds more, But this is where slashdot STEALS THE MAJORITY OF its "news" from.

Punish them, here are their emails, spam them, flame them goatse them!
Rob malda [mailto]
Jamie Macarthy [mailto]
ChrisD [mailto]
Hemos [mailto]
Micheal [mailto]
Pudge [mailto]

The others ones apperantly dont have an e-mail, probably because ROB MALDA IS PRETENDING HE IS JOHN KATZ.

Thank you for reading this, please feel free to repost this information, please reply to add your comments, fight slashdot and its CENSORSHIP

Don't forget to sign the petition!

What does this really mean? (4, Interesting)

bons (119581) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918094)

"I want to see a future where when I buy something, I own it."

As nice and simple as this sounds, I find that I end up not really understanding it. If I buy the toaster and the alarm clock and take them both apart and put them together in a new way, I should also be able to sell my creation.

Ok. I'm fine with that. And I can see where licenses, patents, and other legal entities get in the way of this.

Unfortunately, the Open Source community depends on a number of licenses that completely prevents this. If I actually buy a copy of Linux I can tear it apart and modify it, but I don't have the rights to simply resell my new creation. There are a number of requirements I have to meet before I can do that. I have to essentially provide a free copy of my changes in raw form to Big Brother and everyone else in order to do that.

Hmmmm. This has just gotten a lot more complicated. Do I want other people tearing apart my work and distributing the new creations as theirs? Do I want to tear apart other people's work and distribute the new creation as mine?

I think that's a question we need to ask ourselves. Do we want everyone to have these freedoms and are we willing to accept how these freedoms can be abused by corporations and individuals?

buying cable modems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918193)

I don't know about you, but I'm much happier not owning my cable modem. Granted I wouldn't want to lease my stove, since I regularly experiment with cooking, but if something with the cable modem breaks, it's not my fault, and road runner has to come and fix it. True I'm not allowed to uncap it, or sell it, but since it's there to provide me bandwidth and that's it, ill take leasing without responsibility any day.

Re:What does this really mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918197)

Then use a BSD-style liscense. BSD is for hey, this is cool. Anyone can use it for whatever, including reselling without having to distribute source. GPL is for hey, I did this for fun and that's how it's going to stay. I don't want people to be able to blatantly rip off what I did for fun.

Got it? So, now again how is open source strangling modding? Just choose the right liscense.

If you want to rip apart linux, mod it and sell then feel free. It's not restrictive that you have to publish the changed source, SOMEONE ELSE DID MOST OF THE WORK, WHY SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SELL IT? But you can do something like lindows, and if you create a significant add-on then you can seperate that out from the GPL stuff and sell that without having to redistribute. GPL keeps people form taking minor mods (or the source with no mods) and just selling it -- the GPL rewards effort and dissuades laziness/stealing of other's work.

Got it? Good.

Re:What does this really mean? (1)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918219)

You have a good point. It amazes me how more people don't see that "Free" as defined by the GNU people doesn't match anyone else's common definition of free.

The licensing hoops that you have to jump through when using and distributing any changes you may have made make it very much not "Free".

Re:What does this really mean? (1)

taeric (204033) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918315)

That is exactly where most people will attack this idea.

However, there is a fairly easy counter to this. (Bear in mind, however, that I do in fact agree with you.)

The counter is simple. You simply don't have a right to profit. Where are people given a right to profit from their labors? Especially when they are built upon contributions from others.

To give an example, you have EVERY right to do whatever you wish to the copy of linux you download. Even (or especially) under the terms of such licenses as the GPL. This freedom, of course, disappears when you try to distribute the changes.

So, with that in mind, just how much would it hurt to insure that in the future you own what you buy? And, just as important, what are you buying when you buy software? Afterall, isn't that the whole crux of the problem in computers? There is very little in the way of tangible property, right?

-josh

My toaster (2)

CaffeineAddict2001 (518485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918123)

My toaster sends emails, plays dvd's, works as an alarm clock, you can watch TV on it, use it as a baby monitor, opens the garage door, stores 30 gigabytes of MP3's and works as a radio.... Oh yeah, it also does something with bread.

ObStarTrek (0, Offtopic)

Grumpendorfer (22994) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918132)

Lt Uhuru: access the language databanks and find out what a "heter" is...

Re:ObStarTrek (2)

el_nino (4271) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918189)

Gnuheter is a play on the Swedish word 'nyheter', which means 'news'.

No doubt dude.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918146)

Like I was just gonna take this crack home and like that's my business what I plan on doin' with it.... ;) couldn't resist

Timed Copyrights (1, Troll)

xSterbenx (549640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918153)

I really don't know much about copyright law. However, I do know that when pharmaceutical create a new drug, the get a limited patent on it for a certain number of years, and then other companies can make generic versions of the drug. This is done so that the pharmaceutical company can recuperate some of its research spending to research the drug (and all drugs that didn't work, but still were researched), as well as make money (of course!).

I don't see why a similar thing can't be done in general. A company makes something, and gets the full use and privacy of its item for a certain number of years. During this time it makes money and is happy. Then, after the time limit is up, everyone can then do what they want with it, take it apart, improve it, sell their idea, etc.

True, big businesses would never go for this, because it would make much less powerful and much less money. But it sounds like a good idea, right?

Re:Timed Copyrights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918201)

This is done so that the pharmaceutical company can recuperate some of its research spending to research the drug (and all drugs that didn't work, but still were researched), as well as make money (of course!).

Hardly, part of the FDA approval of a new drug is that the Co. that wins approval must pay all other companies for their research on related drugs. Once approved the FDA will not approve another similar drug unless shown that it provides a need that the first didn't. So much for free enterprise and competition - huh?

Technology can be used for good or ill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3918202)

Did you hear the story on NPR recently about the person, born a Jew, who converted to christianity and became a chemist who helped produce ammonia from atmospheric nitrogen and helped start the chemical fertilizer industry. He also urge the German government to start using poision gas on British, French, and American troops during World War I. The company he founded also came up with Zyclon B, the agent used to kill millions of Jews in WWII.

Techno stuff can be used for good or ill. Placing restrictions on what you do with it is a reasonable thing for a government to do. Do you really want more Timothy McVeigh's buying up tons of legal fertilizer and bombing large buildings and killing people? I did not think so.

Re:Technology can be used for good or ill (1)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918264)

The irony of it all kinda tickles me.

Just so you all know (1)

nickm (1468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3918377)

I am not a role model.

I am not paid to be a role model.

But I do take paypal. Thank you.
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