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Hot-Rod Your CD-RW Drive

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the or-is-it-april-already dept.

Hardware 326

Anonymous Coward writes: "Currently almost everyone with a computer has a CD-ROM drive and also a big part of them have a CD-RW drive. But what if you want to spend less time on writing a CD-R ? You have to buy a new one, or, if you are a real geek, you just overclock it! Seems to be to good to be true ? It's not! Currently a lot of cheap manufacturers of CD-RW drives are using the same parts in their 32x,40x, and 48x drives and start to sell them at 32x, later to 40x and in end as 48x. and with a little upgrading of the firmware (totally legal) you will have a faster drive, because you remove its limits! It currently works on drives from Lite-On (who also makes drives for Memorex, TDK, Iomega, Cendyne, TraxData and Pacific digital all overclockable) And the list goes on as there are also overclock tricks for LG (32x -> 40x) and Sony drives (32x -> 48x). If you don't believe it, read all the reactions and the postings on the forums mentioned above!"

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Plextor? (2, Interesting)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922495)

Don't suppose this goes for old Plextor writers does it?

Re:Plextor? (-1, Troll)

Phist Phucker (587366) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922537)

I want to put my hot-rodded penistor right in your ass!

Re:Plextor? (3, Informative)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922564)

From what I read all you can do is rename/upgrade firmware on rebadged Plextor drives. (they don't seem to play the underclocking game much)

Re:Plextor? (2, Insightful)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922587)

If they don't play underclocking much, then how would rename/upgrading of firmware make it any faster?

Re:Plextor? (1)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922685)

It doesn't. It lets sanyo, plextor, iomega all use the same drive and put their own names on it.

Re:Plextor? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922634)

dude, my plextor 2x is now burning at 32x, ra!

Re:Plextor? (1)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922653)

How'd you accomplish that?

Re:Plextor? (1)

Resist148 (180448) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922646)

my plextor 4/2/24 scsi screws up while writing about half the time, and my computer is ridiculously fast, I wouldn't overclock if I could...hell, my buffer never ever leaves 100%, yet it still has buffer underruns....ahh well...

Re:Plextor? (1)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922661)

Possibly the hard drive access time... I've found some of my files are too fragmented for 8x burning with a 14400 RPM partition (RAID-0)... or you could always cache the disc in RAM if you have enough...

Re:Plextor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922748)

Something is REALLY wrong in your case. I burn 8x over NFS links with scsi 2 drives - with no problem.

Re:Plextor? (1)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922806)

Perhaps... the only things wrong with my PC is that it has overclocked RAM (100 MHz running at 133 >_) and it runs Windoze... the second of which won't be true very much longer.

Too good to be true? (5, Funny)

stevenbdjr (539653) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922499)

And if you act now, we'll send you two kits for the price of one. That's the two CD-RW hot-rod kits, plus the terry cloth bath robe, absolutley FREE!

Re:Too good to be true? (4, Funny)

prof187 (235849) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922547)

But does it also chop jullienne fries?

Re:Too good to be true? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922690)

Hehe. If only I could remember some of the lyrics to Weird Al's "Mr. Popeil".

either you see it or you don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922501)

Does anyone seen the humour in "hot-rodding" a CD burner?

Re:either you see it or you don't (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922512)

no but the phrase hot-rod itself is gettin me so warm

Re:either you see it or you don't (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922543)

i am in the military, stationed in okinawa japan. my wife, child and i live in an apartment complex on base. the housing is built over a large battle sight which took place during the war. my wife is very sensitive to ghost and aparitions, they have followed her since she was a child in Texas. well she and i were sitting in the living room watching t.v. one night when a figure walked out from the hall stopped and turned back towards the hallway and disappeared. this wa my first time ever seeing a ghost. on several occaisions a bright ball of white light has been seen moving throughout the house, especially in my son`s room. it seems to like him a lot. it also turns his toys on whenever it feels like it, which is quite often. the most unbelievable night of my life was experienced recently while my wife an i were sleeping. i woke to a shadowy figure standing next to the bed. i was uncovered at the time and the figure seemed to be reaching for me, i tryed to scream but nothing came out. this happened three times that night. on ther third time i just layed still and watched the figure grab for me, reach the covers and pull them back over me. it seems that this ghost is very friendly and means no harm in any way, it has always been prone to my wife, it frequently calls her name or watches her do the dishes. she tells me at least 1 new story a week about something strange in the house or things being moved. i was not a believer in ghosts in anyway but now it seems impossible not to be.

LopezCA@3FSSG.USMC.MIL

YAY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922503)

Woohooo! Another device I need a liquid cooling system for.

Gee... (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922506)

Can I also play my audio CDs at 48x? My dog seems to love those high pitches...

old news...... (5, Informative)

H3XA (590662) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922510)

another source of info

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Specific. asp?ArticleHeadline=Overclocking&Series=0

with mods for -
AOPEN
HP
Iomega
LG
Lite-On
Plextor
Ricoh
Sony
TraxData

- HeXa

Clickable for everyone as lazy as me :) (1, Informative)

aed (156746) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922626)

clickety-click [cdrinfo.com]

Added Bonus (0, Offtopic)

jigokukoinu (549392) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922514)

Does this come with instructions on how to use your computer as central heating? Just think: No more cold winters! Actually, My 8-10 running computers *DO* heat my apartment completely during the winter. ;)

this rules (1)

cisco_k1d (594569) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922515)

hahahahhaha man i feel like a dork buying a 40x now :P

Firmware (5, Insightful)

zapfie (560589) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922519)

Upgradinging of the firmware, totally legal? Ackk. You can do whatever you want with your CD-R drive and it would be totally legal- you have first sale rights. I will be scared if we live in a country where people even have to wonder if modifying their own hardware is "totally legal" or not.

Re:Firmware (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922588)

Not a long ago I went shopping for a new DVD player and asked a salesman in one of the shops if I could make a particular player region code free. He got really upset and explained to me that tampering with the hardware in that way would not only void the warranty but would also be illegal and that as authorized dealers for S*ny (manufacturer's name obfuscated to protect the innocent) they certainly wouldn't give any information about how to free the region code in the player.

Re:Firmware (5, Funny)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922621)

This is not *technically* just a firmware upgrade. This is circumventing/reverse engineering of their intellectual property, and in violation of the DMCA.

Imagine what would happen to the world markets if you were to do this. Just sit back and watch all that nothing spread like wildfire!

AWG

Just like my opinion, my sarcasm's free! Just remember: You get what you pay for!

Re:Firmware (2, Insightful)

alienw (585907) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922641)

The DMCA prohibits systems that break COPY PROTECTION. I don't know what planet you live on, but on this one CDR drives don't have copy protection yet. What the fuck does the dmca have to do with them?

Re:Firmware (1)

repsychler (571158) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922662)

He was referring to DVD players, not CDRs.

Re:Firmware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922666)

It doesn't, he was explaining this to someone who was told not to region free a dvd drive

Re:Firmware (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922744)

CDs do not technically have explicit copy protections but more often than not the drives have been crippled from writing in raw mode. This is done to prevent perfect copies of certain types of cds. Sony and Toshiba often do this on their low level consumer drives. Sometimes, these firmware upgrades remove this limitation. This could violate the DMCA, as most judges do not seem to understand fair use and/or legitament purpose. Look ant DeCSS it is a regional protection, it does nothing to stop copying at all. If you have a US DVD drive and US os, for instance, you can copy the tracks all you want. Try it with the ATI file player. Copy a track and play it on the hard drive. It works fine.

Re:Firmware (0)

djiin (113861) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922812)

Unfortunately we are moving towards a world where this is the case. Even where an action is completely within the law, should a company decide they want the law changed they first sow doubt over the legality of that action. By changing the public perception to reflect what they want, they can more easily have the law changed to reflect that. After all, by this point the law would only be changed to bring it into line with the publics perception of that law. Witness this happening now with the (now questionable) legality over backing up music cd's, or reverse engineering, or tivo.

Re:Firmware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922851)

Uh. . .

If you have a DVD-R (like that wonderful DVR-A04, now available for less that $250 w/shipping) and you update it with a firmware that allows you to copy comercial DVDs you have just circumvented a copy-protection device and, if i understand the law correctly, you promptly be castrated followed by a sharp poke in the eye.

I can see it now... (5, Funny)

papasui (567265) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922523)

LIVE AT 10.
An area man inadvertently set fire to his dwelling while attempting to burn Jenna's Built for Speed with his self modified CDRW drive. When asked why he modified his CD recording device he stated. "My wife was coming home...."

ahh crap (1)

null-sRc (593143) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922525)

just when i go and pay an extra 80 bux for the boost from 40x to 48x #@$%@%

Re:ahh crap (1)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922542)

I'll buy your old one for $20 bucks...

As long as it made the list

Re:ahh crap (1)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922557)

Why would you do that? Christ A, like 40x isn't fast enough... man, I got a 16x burner and it still does the job.

Re:ahh crap (5, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922560)

You paid $80 to save about 20 seconds recording a cd? Is your time really worth $14,400/hr?

Re:ahh crap (1)

EvilFrog (559066) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922691)

You paid $80 to save about 20 seconds recording a cd? Is your time really worth $14,400/hr?

Whoa... you might want to rethink that logic.

Unless where you're from CR-Rs are single-use disposable devices...

Re:ahh crap (2)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922853)

I don't get what you're saying.
My logic was as follows:

If he pays $80 to free 20 seconds worth of his life, his living time must be worth $14,400/hr.

Re:ahh crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922699)

He's just compensating for his small penis. That's all.

Re:ahh crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922762)

Do you have something you would like to share with us?

Firmware? Illegal? (1)

MrHat (102062) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922535)

Why would upgrading the firmware on a product you own not be "completely legal"?

What strange DMCA-ridden world is this that I've suddenly fallen in to? It's dark in here.

Re:Firmware? Illegal? (1)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922593)

What strange DMCA-ridden world is this that I've suddenly fallen in to? It's dark in here.

I find it good just to feign ignorance on the part of DMCA law. I have probably broken it many times since its inception (remember probably, cuz i don't really know. but, its more than likely), however, I really don't pay attention nor do I care to. If it were up to them, none of us would have 'puters or any sort of hardware in the first place. Some shit about national security...

Corps is your father, corps is your mother (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922631)

Why are you talking about national security in that manner?

Don't you know that national security is also your duty? If you're not a member of the Informant Corps [citizencorps.gov] , you've better join fast before your neighbour starts reporting on you instead.

New New Order is coming (George Bush Sr.'s New World order got delayed) and if you're not a part of it, you'll be nothing.

Re:Corps is your father, corps is your mother (1)

repsychler (571158) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922707)

Is it just me or are the Citizen Corps reminiscent of the visitors youth brigade (whatever it was called) in the old miniseries V?

Re:Corps is your father, corps is your mother (1)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922768)

This whole citizen corps thing is reminding me of the informants of nazi-germany. its frightening.

It wasn't new (5, Funny)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922544)

When I worked at IBM an engineer told me the million dollars 'mainframe upgrade' was actually removing a jummper from the motherboard. So I started to remove one jumper at a time from my IBM PC to see if it'd run faster. (the answer is no)

Re:It wasn't new (4, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922679)

And there's a good reason why the mainframe had a jumper, but the PC doesn't. IBM wants to sell you a future upgrade for the mainframe. They had no after-sale incentive for the PC, since they're just going to try selling you a new PC.

Re:It wasn't new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922694)

how on earth is this a troll post?

Peale (posting anonymously to preserve what little karma he has left)

How come? (1)

LordoftheFrings (570171) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922549)

Why would hardware manufacturers sell products that can be much faster and therefore better, and then continually "upgrade" them and sell them again? It seems like one big scam, to try to get the population to keep on upgrading. Rediculous.

Re:How come? (1)

EvilFrog (559066) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922582)

What, you think that products are priced proportionally to how much they cost to make? They're priced by how much someone wants them, not how much it costs the company.

Take music for example. CDs cost more than cassette tapes in stores, yet cost the labels significantly less to make. It all has to do with demand- who would buy something less convenient, lower quality, and more expensive?

Welcome to capitalism my friend.

Re:How come? (1)

NegativeK (547688) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922598)

Markets are weird that way. You want to sell the fastest for the most money (duh). But.. Some people aren't going to pay that much, so you sell some at a lower speed, for a lower price. And because it's cheaper to make the same product repeatedly as opposed to two different products, the company will just make the best, and mark it down. I'm not sure if it's still common, but CPU makers used to do this frequently. The older Celerons, for isntance.

Re:How come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922614)

OK, first of all, it's spelled RIDICULOUS.

Second of all, the engineer is NOT A KING. He is at best a pawn in a corporation.

Market studies will show what the market will bear. If you are making a new laser printer, let's say, and it will have 1200x1200 DPI with 32M on board, but it will cost 900$, only so many people will buy it. With me so far?

OK, so your sales dept tells you that people would spend 500$ on a product with 600x600 and 16M, let's say.

What do you do? Hire twice as many engineers from the diploma mill to design two products?

NO! You build *ONE* set of parts that can be configured for many "models". Almost *everything* is built like that today. If it weren't, things would be very expensive.

You should be happy things are like that.

Re:How come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922630)

i have owned, and i am sure others have had more, at least 5(1200, 2400, 28k, 33k, 56k) different speeds of modems throughout the years. you really think that was necessary? i dont but it made someone some extra money

Re:How come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922789)

It's rather simple economics. Referred to as "Economies of Scale", which means the more your produce of a given unit the lower each unit's production price will be (ie. it's cheaper to produce 50 CDRW's at a single speed than to product 10 at 5 different speeds).

Free Enterprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922854)

its called Free Enterprise my friend. Get used to it, its only been around for thousands of years.

The faster you go... (1)

EvilFrog (559066) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922550)

Remember when 4x was fast? At least then you could buy a CD-Rom drive that didn't sound like the neighbors are mowing their lawn...

Who needs force feedback controllers? I've got a laptop with a high speed CD-Rom drive... good for simulating such vibrations as a car engine or a small earthquake!

Re:The faster you go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922625)

is there any such thing as a quiet 32-40x CD-RW? are there brands that are known to be quieter than others? i have a 32x TDK and it literally sounds like a jet engine

Re:The faster you go... (3, Interesting)

Chasing Amy (450778) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922838)

> Remember when 4x was fast?

Yup. I'm still using my Creative 4-2-24 CD-RW drive to this day. :-) Since I've never had the need to get CDs burnt as fast as technologically possible, I've never felt like upgrading it. It's followed me from my old K6-2 to my Duron to my Athlon.

Unfortunately, after 5 years or so of faithful service it's been slowly dying for the last few months. First it stopped reading past 650MB on 700MB CDs. Weird, but I figured the thing's just so old... And then, it started burning coasters about 10% of the time even though I use good Taiyo Yuden media. Then it gradually climbed up until now a CD gets burnt properly about 1 in 10 tries. Sometimes the CDs would come out completely unwritten, and sometimes the data would only be very lightly burnt in, making it obvious the writing laser wasn't working reliably anymore.

So, it's time to finally put the old girl out to pasture and get one of those newer, faster, more versatile models. Plextor or Asus, I guess, from what I've read about various models. But I'll kinda miss the old CD burner, the only part of my first desktop PC that's still being used in my newest desktop PC...

Sad when old hardware finally bites the dust. :-)

Big deal (5, Informative)

asavage (548758) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922556)

The difference between burning at 40 to 48 speeds is about 20 seconds. Some of us still have to use crappy 4 speed burners. Also a lot of CD media isn't even compatable at those speeds anyway.

Re:Big deal (1)

LogicX (8327) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922573)

Who cares -- that whole media rating is all marketing. You can use 4x Media in a 40x burner; I do it all the time.

Re:Big deal (0)

stuuf (587464) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922702)

Reminds me of wasting money on Memorex's 'Music' CD-R's. they're not specially optimised for music, they just cost more for a liscence that enables the stand-alone recorders.
I think I would have to overclock my CPU to run an overclocked CD RW without buffer underruns.

Re:Big deal (-1, Flamebait)

Phexro (9814) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922579)

"What did the slashdot user use for birth control? His personality."

I'm sure your godawful sig would work just as well.

Re:Big deal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922629)

Compatible. It's spelled COMPATIBLE.

One day, I'm gonna compile a /. speak dictionary.

Re:Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922808)

4 speed! whew... some of us still have 2x!!!

Profit Margins ? (2, Interesting)

PureCreditor (300490) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922562)

Let's see....so they less money on the 32x drives, since they're using the same components on the 48x that yield much higher margins. So....if we all buy their lowest rating drives, would they dip into red? =)

Re:Profit Margins ? (0)

Klerck (213193) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922584)

Not really, since they already lost the money by making them. If you buy the drive, you help them make the money back.

Is that really such a difficult concept for people? If they've already manufactured the drive, they've already lost the money it took to make it.

It's not like manufacturers will produce something on promise of payment.

Well.... is it really worth it? (5, Informative)

hashinclude (192717) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922577)

These are the stats I have on my machine (p3-733, 512MB ram, IDE-100)

1x - 1 hr 10 mins (total, yes I have had one)
2x - 40 mins (actually something like 38)
4x - 19-20 mins
12x - 7 mins
24x - 5 mins
32x - 4:30 mins
40x - ? (haven't upgraded my drive yet :P )

My point being that as things are right now, IDE hard drives are not quite fast enough even with an 8MB buffer to keep up with the data transfer required (and yes, I am running my 7200 Maxtor 27GB as Primary master, and LG 32X CD-RW as Secondary Master on an Intel 815EEA2 board)

How does overclocking (and possibly destroying the drive mechanism, though rare) really help me burn CD faster? Current software / hardware configs give me no better than 4:30 mins .. (while the 24x gives ~5:20)

I think this is something like the 52x and 60x and 72x CDROM, where the number behind the X stands for MAX ... meaning that with optimal (ideal?) parameters, the drive gives 72x (1x = 150kbps)

I'd much rather stick with my * unmodified * 32x drive, thanks.

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922633)

1x - 1 hr 10 mins (total, yes I have had one)
2x - 40 mins (actually something like 38)
4x - 19-20 mins
12x - 7 mins
24x - 5 mins
32x - 4:30 mins
40x - ? (haven't upgraded my drive yet :P )

Well On my 1.3 G Athlon with a Lite-On Burner, 512MB of Ram and 20 GB 7200 WD HD

16x - 4.30 for 80mins of audio

also i had a 6x acer burner before that did 80mins in 20minutes

seen a 32x burner do 80 mins audio on a Athlon XP 1600 system in 3min flat (512mb ram)

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922638)

the speed test in Nero Burning Rom says i'm good up to 120x or some insane number. Consider that 48x burners in fact write 7,200kb/sec and hard drives transfer at 20,000kb/sec+ - there's plunty of bandwidth. Also now there's wonderful technologies like burnproof(or knockoffs) that allows the buffer on the cd burner to go empty and yet they don't burn coasters.

I won't even go into DVD formats.

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922642)

Nope, it isn't worth it in any logical way. For the same reason as people build hotrods, overclocking is about doing it, not about results.

"overclocking is about _doing it_, not about..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922735)

Nope, it isn't worth it in any logical way. For the same reason as people build hotrods, overclocking is about doing it, not about results.

Thanks; that went in my quote file.

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (1)

code0 (122493) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922719)

Well... Since both your hard drive and CD-RW are on the same bus, that can cause a problem (with IDE that is, not SCSI). Try moving your CD-RW as a secondary master and keeping your hard drive as the primary master. IDE drives can only handle one transaction at once per bus.

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (1)

Gossy (130782) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922751)

"I am running my 7200 Maxtor 27GB as Primary master, and LG 32X CD-RW as Secondary Master on an Intel 815EEA2 board"

And then..

"Try moving your CD-RW as a secondary master and keeping your hard drive as the primary master."

I think that was a bit redundant ;)

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922760)

read the post again.

A dumb sysadmin laughs at you----

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922797)

Kill yourself. Just kill yourself and end the misery.

Re:Well.... is it really worth it? (2)

jhines (82154) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922833)

I seem to remember a story about how the speed is relative to the track being read, depending on being the inside or outside of the disk.

In that the disc itself can't handle being spun at more than a certain RPM before it comes apart.

If the speed issue is that big of a deal for you, a stand alone burning machine is probably for you. In that you can use your other machine while it burns away. Drives are cheap enough these days.

Technically... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922873)

because *technically* its not overclocking. So you cant "possibly [destroy] the drive mechanism" any more than you can possibly do it thru normal usage.

If you run your mobo/video card/whatever at a higher rate than it is *mechanically* specified for, that is overclocking. Changing the FSB speed from 66mhz to an unsupported 100mhz is overclocking.

Taking a device that is *mechanically* specified to run at a higher speed, but is being throttled by its firmware, is NOT overclocking. Im sure someone could come up with a proper term for it, like "Liberating" it or some other such sanctimonious term.

Don't go too fast (3, Redundant)

naoursla (99850) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922578)

Unfortunately, CDs explode into bits of metal and plastic shrapnal if spun too fast. This isn't like burning out a CPU from over clocking. /. had an article a while back about a guy testing the spin limits of CDs.

Re:Don't go too fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922695)

Unfortunately, CDs explode into bits of metal and plastic shrapnal if spun too fast.

That's only if you try to read 56X off the inside track dummy. Why do you think EVERY manufacturer on earth implements hybrid CLV/CAV in the drives?

IHBT. IHL. It sure is a nice day today...

Re:Don't go too fast (1)

1000101 (584896) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922867)

".....56X off the inside track dummy"

If you're going to call people names, why don't you use your real nickname instead of Anonymous Coward you fucking pussy.

thank goodness! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922658)

with a little upgrading of the firmware (totally legal)

So the police won't knock on my door if I take apart my CD-ROM? Whew, now I can come out of hiding!

Google Cache Link (2)

Kaypro (35263) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922673)

Looks like for the Lite-On's at least, it'll only work for 32x+. So I'm guessing my 24X Lite-On won't take the upgrade.

Cached Link [216.239.51.100]

How about the CD-R blanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922674)

I've got some older CD-R blanks which are marked
16x, 20x, 32x, etc. - do these have any problems
working at higher speeds than they are marked?
The marked speeds were near top-of-the-line
speeds when they were bought.

Silly (3, Interesting)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922675)

I HIGHLY doubt that the exact same TESTED components are used in both drives. It is much more likely that a 40x drive is simply a drive that passed the 40x tests, but not the 48x tests, just like how processors are graded.

It would be kind of stupid to stamp 40x on a box just to sell it for a lower price. Why not sell a 48x for the lower price and intice the customer further?

Re:Silly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922715)

"It would be kind of stupid to stamp 40x on a box just to sell it for a lower price. Why not sell a 48x for the lower price and intice the customer further?"

What? You mean like what they do with processors?

Re:Silly (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922743)

You mean like what they do with processors?

Except they don't with processors. When you overclock your processor, you are putting it up to a clock speed that didn't pass the tests for that clock speed. Just because it seems to work doesn't mean it's always going to work. Ask any game support crew how many times they have to tell some l33t overclocker to put the clock speed back to normal when it causes their game to fail ("but it works everywhere else!! it must be your fault, man!").

Re:Silly (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3922777)

It's called price discrimination, a basic economic principle.

It's the same principle behind having different prices for adult and children movie tickets, or differing airfare depending on how far in advance the ticket is bought by.

Selling everything one fixed price reduces total revenue. By having price discrimination, you can charge more to people that are willing to pay more, and charge less to people who normally wouldn't have bought your product had it been at a higher price.

Re:Silly (1)

Flu (16236) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922885)

It would be kind of stupid to stamp 40x on a box just to sell it for a lower price. Why not sell a 48x for the lower price and intice the customer further?

Why? Not all can (or want to) pay the price for a 48X drive. The cost of manufacturing is probably something like 10-20% of the sales price, and the difference in component cost is most likely just 5% - of the few components that actually would need a change.

It's not at all unlikely that it's actually cheaper to manufacture several similiar boards with just a firmware difference than administrating several different modules.

So, they would just set a price for the max version thus gaining as much revenue as possible, and and another price for a crippled version, and sell that as well, for the people that won't pay the higher price.

/Flu

32x or 48x .. Who fucking cares? (-1)

warez_d00d (122900) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922686)

just wasting away my 2 posts/day...

Nothing new here... (3)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922706)

Upgrading your CD writer drive via firmware is nothing new, it's been going on for quite a while.

Coincidentally enough, just last night I upgraded a 6x burner I bought for $10 to an 8x using the tricks on this page [cdmediaworld.com] . There's info there for several older model drives.

no can do mister! (0, Offtopic)

the_mind_ (157933) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922725)

...the firmware (totally legal) you will have...

I have a small sticky label over one of my screws on my CDRW drive that says "Do not remove". Doing so will be against the DMCA(?)

Damn it! (yeah so what: mod me down for being offtopic)

What are you thinking? (3, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922727)

How do you know that it "works" once you are done? Would you just assume that the ability to burn a CD and then read it proves that everything is fine? Has anyone looked into the error rates of hot-rodded drives vs. those drives sold to operate at the higher speeds? Has anyone examined the long-term data retention of CDs burned at 48X in what was a 32X burner?

This is simply foolish. Unless you work for the factory, you simply don't know if there are hardware or performance differences between the 32X, 40X, and 48X drives. For all you know, they each have a different laser diode. So you're going to burn hundreds of CDs, maybe backing up valuable data and software, without knowing if they can be read a year from now? Great idea.

If your time is so valuable that you need to upgrade from 32X to 48X burning, you can afford a new CD writer.

Re:What are you thinking? (1)

dd301 (141836) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922878)

Has anyone examined the long-term data retention of CDs burned at 48X in what was a 32X burner?

I suppose this will have to do with the media properties rather than the drive.

Has anyone looked into the error rates of hot-rodded drives vs. those drives sold to operate at the higher speeds?

It would be a simple matter to check the md5sums. dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum -

If your time is so valuable that you need to upgrade from 32X to 48X burning, you can afford a new CD writer.

So you think not so wealthy should be stuck in boring repetitive tasks? :-D

What's new? (2, Interesting)

marcovje (205102) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922745)

This has happened before, see e.g. the Yahama CDR200 2 speed, which could be changed into a
4 speed (with less cache then the real 4sp tho) by
soldering a small resistor on two pins

The price differential is what, about 10 bucks? (2)

gelfling (6534) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922766)

I mean it's all leet and shit you can do this but what is the retail price differential between getting an 8x8x32 and a 10x12x32?

About 10 dollars? Seems like a lot of work that might not work so hot to save 10 bucks.

Re:The price differential is what, about 10 bucks? (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922814)

What if you already have a slower drive, from back where the price difference was a lot more noticable? It costs a lot more than 10 bucks to get a new drive.

Jitter cautions (1)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922830)

Jitter in cd writing is quite a problem, so ensure that your drive is actually capable of such speed increases(the best way is to just get someone else to try it on their drive first), otherwise you might find that you've introduced unusually high amounts of jitter (blur etc) into your roms (or should i say "potential coasters").

This will only be a problem if you can't reverse your firmware.. one problem being that not many manufacturers will supply the original firmware that came with your drive.

Beware DMCA (2, Insightful)

Whammy666 (589169) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922863)

...with a little upgrading of the firmware (totally legal)

Since many CDs now carry copy protection (both for music and data) It's well within the scope of possibility, given the stupidity of the law, that tampering with the cd player's firmware would violate the DMCA since you could remove hardware blocks the prohibit RAW writes, even if all you intended to do was just speed up the drive.

The DMCA nazis would argue that anyone providing information on how to hack a CD player (regardless of intent) was providing a means to circumvent copy protection and hence was in violation of the law.

Keep in mind that you're not dealing with rational people here. This same group of nimrods want to restrict the use of sound cards in computers and make A/D converters a restricted item. Greed has taken over reason.

== All hail King Dubya and the rise of the 4th Reich==

Is it really worth it? (2)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 11 years ago | (#3922865)

As a low usage user of a CD-Burner, I can't see the incentive to risk trying this on a drive of mine. If I were a "high end" user who really needed to save the time, I figure the cost of upgrading, or adding an additional newer faster drive would be a better use of my time/money.

I guess if your short on cash...but it you are short on cash, why risk screwing up your drive in the first place?

-Pete
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