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Real Will Include Ogg Vorbis Support

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the sounds-good-to-me dept.

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Skuto writes "Following the example of AOL with Winamp, RealNetworks has decided to give Ogg Vorbis their sign of approval and will be including support into their player software. The press release has more information. Meanwhile, independent listening tests are being set up to determine how well Vorbis fares against its competitors WMA, AAC and MP3Pro. You can help by signing up for the tests here." A couple of comments (1, 2) in our previous story provide the best description of what Real is doing, if you missed them.

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OH My GOD! OGG VORBIS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947323)

excuse me, i ejaculated. whew. that was exciting.

oh well, back to jacking myself raw.

CLAIMED (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947349)

8===========D
In the name of OGG the open soures caveman.
May he rest in peace.

FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947328)

damn, just once i wanna be a fag and say that

Re:FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947337)

you're halfway there.

1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947330)

muahahahaha

I wonder.. (0, Troll)

chewedtoothpick (564184) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947340)

If they will make it always become the default player for everything despite your multiple attempts to make it otherwise!

Anybody (5, Interesting)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947343)

Does anybody still have Real Player installed? And actually use it for a general player and not just for when certain cites require it for video clips?

Re:Anybody (1)

chewedtoothpick (564184) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947352)

I don't even have it installed anymore after it went and kept assigning itself default player for everything despite my multiple attempts to tell it to only play RealMedia. Shouldn't that be illegal that it does that?

Re:Anybody (1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947363)

Actually, Real caused a little stir in the OS X world when they released their player recently. It turns out that people missed it pretty bad.

I don't think anyone actually enjoys using real player, but it's pretty firmly entrenched for now.

Re:Anybody (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947423)

It's a piece of shit and I'm not installing that spyware. Any content in .ra or .ram I miss. I don't miss it much.

What we need is an Open Source application to capture a .ra or .ram stream, convert it to .ogg or .mp3 and optionally save it to a file or just play it. If this happened then Real would be DEAD unless they changed their format or authentication methods radically, and that would break compatability with all the content already out there. No sympathy from me, I remember what a misery it was last time I tried to uninstall their product.

Re:Anybody (3, Interesting)

TheOnlyCoolTim (264997) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947544)

It's possible to castrate the nasty parts of Real Player so that it stops taking over all your file associations and popping up "messages". I remember doing it manually, the main thing is deleting this .exe which RealPlayer runs on startup both of your computer and whenever you use RealPlayer, along with removing anything else it runs on your computer's startup and changing some of the RealPlayer settings. Now I can play Real content but otherwise I never notice I have Real on my computer.

Ad-Aware would probably do it for you with more ease.

Tim

Re:Anybody (0)

gerf (532474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947366)

not i. all i use it for is to watch southpark episodes. sans commercials ^^watches his back^^

but what really would be a big help is if ogg was used nearly as often as mp3s. then, people may start an exodus toward it. but till then... it's more of a sideshow, a little used download.

Re:Anybody (1)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947379)

Ever since RealOne... no. I used to use it quite often, but RealOne seem to have a bad habit of taking over my system.

no more Real Media (2)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947486)

Ever since RealOne... no. I used to use it quite often, but RealOne seem to have a bad habit of taking over my system.

Amen! RealOne was enough to make me know that I'll never install another new RealMedia product. I uninstalled it and found and old RealMedial player I had downloaded a year or so ago and reinstalled that. If I come across something it will not play and other players also can't handle it I'll pass that content by.

Re:Anybody (5, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947397)

Yeah I do... lots of porn uses it.

Re:Anybody (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947429)

Slashdot's gone cold I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'll all be gray but your picture on my wall
It reminds me, that it's not so bad -- it's not so bad

Dear Rob, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem with your sendmail or somethin
Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; fsck it, what's been up? Man how's your boxes?
My boxes is linux too, I'm bout to be a compiler once I learn gcc,
I'ma go on and compile for hours
I read about your Palm Pilot too I'm sorry
I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even read all your bullshit Linux news and Microsoft's man
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

Dear Rob, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Linux World
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never had a clue about shit either
I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your page
so when I feel like rmusering I read Slashdot to begin the rage
cause I don't really got shit else so that shit helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of slashdot across the chest
Sometimes I even packet myself to see how much it floods
It's like adrenaline, the DDoS is such a sudden rush of blood
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Rob, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Waste-A-Packet-On-My-Fans, this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two emails
I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
Hey Rob, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer its irrelevant by playing on my linux player while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Rob, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Rob {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
Hey Rob, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost BGP bridged now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this packet out?

Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your box is running now, how'd you like your gcc?
Look, I'm really flattered you would install 7.0 Redhat
and here's an autograph for your senior sys admin I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that shit intentionally just to diss you
But what's this shit you said about you like to DDoS lamers too?
I say that shit just clownin dog,
c'mon - how fucked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
so heres some more Linux stories to keep your ass busy when you get down some
And what's this shit about us meant to be together?
I sold Slashdot for thousands so now I'm a single jetsetter
I really think you and your boxes need each other or maybe you just need to treat them better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan why are you so mad? Try to understand, that Linux and MS is just grand
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and switched his router for a bridge
and his packets were blackholed, and his DNS couldn't get digged
and in the colo they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!

Re:Anybody (2)

DennisZeMenace (131127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947463)

Does anybody still have Real Player installed? And actually use it for a general player and not just for when certain cites require it for video clips?

Of course. RealPlayer is actually pretty good as an mp3 stream player. What else is there on Linux for streaming video anyway ? (besides the almighty mplayer [mplayerhq.hu] ).

-DZM

Re:Anybody (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947503)

Err, yeah, I do.

There's no native player for Windows Media for Linux, and there's so many radio stations out there using Real. I'd prefer they streamed MP3 or Ogg Vorbis, so what choice do I have?

None of the win32 emulating players like aviplay or mplayer are particularly stable yet.

When is someone going to reverse engineer Windows Media? I've tried, but I just don't understand audio encoding enough.

Re:Anybody (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947531)

I have done my best to get the damned thing uninstalled from one of my systems (the others have been cleaned or are clean), but it continues to elude me, causes a protection fault when I first log in and my (bootloaded) debugger kicks in. Very annoying.

In my observation, Real is just another MS Borg type operation - they don't want to give you generalized utilities and leave you alone to make the decisions - they want to own internet audio, eliminate all other choices, lock everyone in and collect data on them.

For me and audio, it's been WINAMP all the way for years. Elegance, flexibility, extesibility and ease of use. It whips the Real Llama's posterior. But I am worried that AOL will spoil Winamp (CRINGE "You've Got Audio!" /CRINGE) as they get more involved. I haven't tried Winamp 3 and their video support yet. And I'm not mentioning Media Player because I was taught not to swear.

Hardware Acceptance (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947345)

Software decoders in Winamp, Real, and hopefully Quicktime is only the first step. Ogg will be in the pink when hardware decoders start showing up in the form of CD MP3 players with Vorbis Support and DVD players that will decode Ogg's as well as MP3's and other formats.

Re:Hardware Acceptance (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947359)

Then maybe also Jesus will come down out of the sky and proclaim Linux to be the new savior of mankind?

Tell you what, hold your breath until Ogg Vorbis gets in the hardware. Do me that favor.

BUT GOD HATES FAGS, SO JESUS HATES LINUX. SEE? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947454)

BUT YOU ARE A FAG; TOO ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947481)

Re:Hardware Acceptance (-1)

cmdrtacos_mom (578051) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947459)

OSS and Linux makes baby jesus cry...

Working on it... (1)

Subliminal Fusion (253246) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947489)

I'm involved in a beta test of a new product from Sonic|Blue, and one of the features I've requested is Ogg support (it probably won't make it into this product, but it is a possibility). I'm not alone in wanting it either, my motion was seconded by another beta tester.

Re:Working on it... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947592)

Wow, two of you! Then it is sure to happen. God bless you and the other beta tester for aiding the propagation of Free software in this nasty, wicked capitalist world.

Re:Working on it... (1)

Subliminal Fusion (253246) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947618)

Considering it's more than 10% of the beta testers, it is somewhat significant. I personally am not interested in Ogg because it's open (although that's a benifit), I'm interested in it because it sounds better than an MP3 file of the same size.

Pocket PC support? (2)

astrashe (7452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947551)

I just looked around for something that would let me play ogg files on my Jornada, but I couldn't find anything. Does an application to do this exist?

I use my jornada as my portable audio player, even though it's not really very good as an MP3 player. If there was an app out there, I could switch to ogg without any trouble.

Re:Hardware Acceptance (5, Interesting)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947608)

Ogg Vorbis on DVD players will be a bit more work for the manufacturers. Don't forget that MP3 is really MPEG Audio Layer 3. By supporting MPEG systems they get automatic MP3 decoder support. If they want to add Ogg Vorbis support that means they'll have to include a totally seperate set of routines in their decoding software.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the support. But we'll probally see it adopted much quicker in dedicated MP3 players first, cause they don't have full MPEG support so they aren't getting something for nothing, they just have custom audio decoding software.

Slashdot has confirmed:PWP is dying by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947346)

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered trolling community when recently Slashdot confirmed that, after several changes were made to production Slashcode, wide posts account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all Slashdot posts. Coming on the heels of the latest verions of IE which make page-widening more difficult, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. the wide posts that we love are collapsing into the narrow posts that we are used to, as further exemplified by the lack of Slashbots complaining about difficulty reading Slashdot's articles.

You don't need to be a Klerck to predict PWP's future. The hand writing is on the wall: PWP faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for PWP because PWP is dying. Things are looking very bad for PWP. As many of us are already aware, PWP continues to be defeated by users with thresholds of 1 or higher. Mod points flow like a river of blood. Klerck's PWP-bot posts are the most endangered of them all, having been filtered early on because of their uniformity.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

PWP leader Klerck states that there are 7 wide posts in the average Slashdot article. How many non-wide crapflood posts are there? Let's see. The number of crapflood versus wide posts on Slahdot is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7*5 = 35 non-wide crapflood posts in every Slashdot article. Tacosnotting posts on Slashdot are about half of the volume of crapflood posts. Therefore there are about 17 tacosnotting posts per article. A recent article put Goatse.cx trolls at about 80 percent of total troll posts. Therefore there are a hell of a lot of homosexual trolls. This is consistent with the number of Goatse.cx Slashdot posts.

But Slashdot is only part of the picture. Due to the troubles at Slashdot, negative revenue and so on, the site will soon go out of business and many users will flock to alternative weblogs, where PWP is almost completely unknown. Trollaxor.com, the popular troll hangout, is also dying, its corpse sodomized in yet another Greek bath house.

All major surveys show that PWP has steadily declined in the scope of all troll posts. PWP is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If PWP is to survive at all it will be among Blog faggot using outdated versions of Slashcode. PWP continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, PWP is dead.

- posted by poopbot: news for turds, stuff that splatters

izesBP24Je Post #799

the more the better (2, Insightful)

longduckdong (579308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947350)

This is great. The more exposure OV gets, the closer we get to getting world wide acceptance of technology without legal overhead and high priced licensing.

Re:the more the better (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947441)

Gee, ya think so?

That's the most goddamned insightful thing I've read all day. The more exposure something gets, the more people will use it! You've just revolutionized the way people will do business with that one elegant statement!

Go ahead and mod me down for not wanting to read this mindless drivel.

now all that's left is for iTunes to support it (5, Insightful)

krog (25663) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947355)

once iTunes supports Vorbis, then all the major players will support it. that means it will be ubiquitous, and anyone will be able to use .ogg without worrying about if someone has an ogg player.

talk to Apple if you want to see it happen: feedback page [apple.com]

OGG VORBIS=V.G. BOOGIRS. (P.S.: LINUX IS FOR FAGS) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947357)

Day late. Dollar short. (2, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947365)

mp3 is alredy the defacto standard for cd-ripping. Support for Ogg is just too late to matter to anyone except for geeks on this site.

The only company whose support would make any difference is... MicroSoft. If they blessed Ogg, you might see players ship that can handle it. Otherwise, it's just a nerd's pipe dream. If fraunhoffer ever gets serious, maybe you'll see some games and similar things ship with Ogg's instead of mp3's. But this race is already run.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (4, Interesting)

leshert (40509) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947431)

A few years ago, you could have said the same thing about PNG. Now, every major image editor supports it, as do all the major image viewers and web browsers.

The existence of a defacto standard doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to improve on that standard.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (1)

kwashiorkor (105138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947450)

The difference between GIF or JPG and PNG is noticeable.

The difference between OGG and MP3 is... pretty much in the licensing.

That's the difference.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (2)

Mr_Perl (142164) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947537)

The difference is quite noticeable [xiph.org] .

Have a listen. Unless you're mostly deaf you might be in for a nice surprise.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (2)

Explo (132216) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947539)

The difference between OGG and MP3 is... pretty much in the licensing.

And the sound quality at low bitrates. Honestly, vorbis audio with around 64 kbit/s average bitrate sounds quite lot of better than something encoded with lame to mp3 with ABR set to similar value. That 's good for things like audio streaming; either the user gets considerably better sound quality at old rate, or same quality at smaller bitrate.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (2)

foobar104 (206452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947473)

I agree. Improvement is a good thing. But Ogg isn't an improvement on MP3, except in some very marginal ways. Best I can discern, Ogg is about equivalent to MP3, except for the lack of software and hardware that supports it.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947582)

One problem: the biggest browser of all, Internet Explorer, has broken alpha support! That's one of the biggest reasons why GIF isn't dead yet.
So yes, Microsoft does matter. If they don't support it, or support it well, it will be a problem.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (1)

defender57 (540298) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947433)

Why would Microsoft bless anything other than their own wma's? They are greedy to get a part of the market and wouldn't touch anything other than their stuff with a ten foot pole. People will choose what will give them the most freedom and that which is also the cheapest. That means ogg.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947499)

No, geeks will choose that. PEOPLE will choose what works and what is available. The public doesn't CARE if it is Free as long as it is free.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (3, Insightful)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947440)

mp3 is alredy the defacto standard for cd-ripping. Support for Ogg is just too late to matter to anyone except for geeks on this site.

The only company whose support would make any difference is... MicroSoft. If they blessed Ogg, you might see players ship that can handle it. Otherwise, it's just a nerd's pipe dream. If fraunhoffer ever gets serious, maybe you'll see some games and similar things ship with Ogg's instead of mp3's. But this race is already run.


I beg to differ. Although MP3 is firmly entrenched, the vast amount of encoders available ensures that an MP3 cannot be judged by bitrate. I know of several people who would be overjoyed to see a "real" standard for audio, with an official encoder. Just one encoder. Not an official one and lots of spinoffs. If the encoder is done right, and is free, open-source, and open to outside contribution, then there are no reason for spinoffs. This ensures identical quality across the board.

Why is this important? File-sharing networks. I HATE downloading a 192 kbps MP3, and finding it to sound like a 96 kbps one made by LAME.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (5, Insightful)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947444)

I personally don't really give a shit if little Johnny down the street is using ogg or not.

What matter to me is wether I'm using ogg or not and at the moment the answer is yes. All of the cds that I rip are ripped into ogg.

And when I download music I don't care the slightest bit wether it's in mp3 or ogg because if I really like it I'll go buy the album and then I'll rip it into ogg. If I don't like it enough to buy the album then I don't like it enough to want it in a better format either so it doesn't matter.

The only thing I would like to see regarding ogg is portable ogg players (that also support mp3 of course) and other devices like dvd players etc. But with Real and AOL blessing ogg maybe that's not a pipe dream afterall?

Just because I prefer a certain format doesn't mean other people need to prefer the same.

--
Garett

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947477)

Support for Ogg is just too late to matter to anyone except for geeks on this site, i.e. you. What's up, gspencely@yahoo.com - comprehension skills deserting you?

The fact that you'd like to see portable players suggests that you need to hear this again: support for Ogg is just too late to matter to anyone except for geeks on this site. Manufacturers won't bother because it isn't and won't ever be a selling point.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947447)

mp3 is alredy the defacto standard for cd-ripping.

Heh. Maybe it was a few years ago, but it's been several years since I encoded a MP3.

You've failed to understand that the most common use for CD ripping is so that the person who is doing the ripping, can listen to the music. Most of the time, when you encode, you don't care whether or not someone else can listen to the result. You just care if you can.

So just about everyone is free to use the best tool for the job, that they know of. That's why MP3 pretty much died and Ogg took over about two years ago.

MP3 DIED? WARNING! BULLSHIT ALERT! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947525)

Yeah, and all those MP3 player manufacturers went broke, and winamp and musicmatch and all those other MP3-only players have stopped production, and everyone has abandoned LAME, etc. etc.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (2)

foobar104 (206452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947456)

Wish I had mod points. After a discussion a few days ago, on the occasion of the 1.0 release, I came to the same conclusion. Ogg offers a couple of features that MP3 lacks, but they are useful only in very specific situations. I'm a heavy user of MP3s-- as I mentioned elsewhere, I have ripped my collection of about 400 CDs to MP3, and I play selections from that library practically every day-- and I can't come up with a good reason why I would be interested in Ogg. The software is there, the hardware is there. Unless something changes drastically, I predict that Ogg will pretty much continue to be irrelevant to all but a select few.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (4, Informative)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947491)

mp3 is alredy the defacto standard for cd-ripping. Support for Ogg is just too late to matter to anyone except for geeks on this site.

Nope, software developers as well, esp. game developers. You have to pay scratch if your compressed audio is MP3 (good old Thompson Multimedia want their cut), so OGG actually does pretty well in that niche.

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947497)

What'll happen is people will get bored with Mp3 and want to move to something 'better'. As long as Ogg keeps improving, it'll eventually take over. That is, of course, assuming that it stays on top and something new doesn't come along and knock it out of it's roost.

I do wonder, though: Is there a point where they'll stop trying to make music smaller? Internet is only getting faster and storage is only getting bigger. What happens when fingernail sized memory cards can cheaply handle gigs of RAM?

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (2)

DennisZeMenace (131127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947532)

I disagree simply because with time MP3 will become less and less competitive versus more state-of-the-art formats. MP3 is not going to get much better in terms of encoding quality (it's all in the encoding, but we have a bunch of very good encoders already). So when a number of newer formats arrive that can encode at the same quality in half or third the size of MP3 (we're not far from that already), there'll be more and more pressure to switch to it.

Now whether Ogg will be the winner, that's hard to tell. I'd bet more money on some Micro$oft closed format...

DZM

Re:Day late. Dollar short. (3, Insightful)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947547)

As long as there are companies like Forgent who try to claim frivolous patent royalties on formats that are for all intensive purposes the de facto standards, there will be a market for OSS products. In the compressed audio arena, this is Ogg Vorbis' greatest benefit, and one that may ultimately be its raison d'etre.

Additionally, I've heard the comparisons of .ogg files vs. .wma and .mp3 files, and with little tweaking, .ogg is as good if not better than the heavily tweaked competitors. It seems to be the better choice overall. Acceptance will only be limited by usage.

I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (3, Funny)

Bryan Ischo (893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947370)

... but, I made a pact with myself some years ago to never use any file format that was named in the Klingon language.

Seriously, the name is so stupid and embarrassing to say or read that I wonder if people won't resist it for that reason alone. I'm not being facetious here, either. I'm hesitent to listen to Ogg Vorbis format files because I would be too embarrassed to have to say "It's Ogg Vorbis" should someone ask me what I'm listening to ...

What?!? (4, Funny)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947398)

You've got a name like Ischo and you complain that Ogg Vorbis sounds stupid and embarrassing?!?

Re:What?!? (1, Redundant)

Bryan Ischo (893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947530)

If I had mod points, I'd mod you +1 funny ... that was good.

Re:What?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947610)

Gesundheit! Oh, sorry.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (4, Funny)

jglow (525234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947413)

I think you have other issues. I have no problem saying ogg vorbis simply because people look at me strange when I say it.

Ogg what?
Ogg Vorbis

It'd be different if it was called Barbie's Dream Audio Compression.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (2)

Bryan Ischo (893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947462)

I find "Ogg Vorbis" equally as embarrassing as "Barbie's Dream Audio Compression". Honestly. I'm probably alone in this, but it's true.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (1)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947630)

I'm not embarrassed at all by saying it. I think it is a stupid name.

"what format is that?"
"Ogg Vorbis."
"What?"
"It's Ogg Vorbis."
"What the hell is an ogg vorbis?"
"So, these guys don't like mp3 because of the patent issues so they came up with their own format and they named it ogg vorbis."
"Why ogg vorbis?"
"It's some fantasy thing, a tribute or something."
"Like Lord of the Rings"
"Uh, yeah, something like that."
[continues]

Sorry -- I'd rather avoid that conversation.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947422)

With an attitude like that, I doubt there's any danger that your friends could ever think any less of you.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (2)

Bryan Ischo (893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947515)

OK, fair enough, but the point I was trying to make is this ...

The name of the format will have some effect on its adoption. Maybe it's not a large effect, but I believe that there is definitely an effect there. Consider the MP3 format. Do you think that maybe the fact that "em-pee-three" rolls so easily off of the tongue might have had some small effect on the rate with which the format was adopted?

I realize that the effect is not large, but I'm sure it's there. Had the MP3 format been named "Poop Chute 3" I honestly think the name would have had a negative impact on the format's adoption.

I feel the same way about "Ogg Vorbis". I think that a format which is trying to become adopted as a de-facto standard needs all the help it can get in stealing mind share. And the name is just so stupid, I think it is detrimental to this.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (1)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947516)

I used to think the same about Yahoo. How can tehy be serious. Look at them today...Do you Yahoo!...

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (5, Funny)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947548)

I'm hesitent to listen to Ogg Vorbis format files because I would be too embarrassed to have to say "It's Ogg Vorbis" should someone ask me what I'm listening to ...

I imagine the conversation going like this:

Joe: Hey Bryan, what are you listening to?

Bryan: Ogg Vorbis

Joe: No you fucking idiot, what is the name of the song you're listening to? Who the fuck cares what format you encoded it in?!

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (1)

Stephen Williams (23750) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947558)

I semi-agree. I don't like the name, but I do like the format.

I think they should drop the "Ogg" part of the name (which I personally can't read without mentally mapping it onto "egg", and I don't like eggs, either) and just call the format "Vorbis". On its own, "Vorbis" sounds cool.

-Stephen

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947637)

Ogg is a collective name for "systems" (to use an MPEG term) of audio and/or video. One of the possible audio formats is Vorbis. I think one could call a Ogg file with just a lone Vorbis audio stream a Vorbis file. But the file extension will still be .ogg.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947563)

Personally, I think mmm-p'thri sounds far more like "k'plah" than Ogg Vorbis, which sounds like it could mean something in a European language that's over my head. "Oh, Od Forbis. Of course I've heard of it. It's like Ad Nauseam."

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947571)

haha, people will probably just think you're talking some Lord of the Rings character or something.

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (2, Insightful)

tmarzolf (107617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947603)

Anybody else get the eerily and relevant fortune at the bottom of the page?

"The medium is the message." -- Marshall McLuhan

Re:I'd try Ogg Vorbis ... (2)

wdr1 (31310) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947612)

... but, I made a pact with myself some years ago to never use any file format that was named in the Klingon language.

Ahh, is that where it came from? I was wondering. It is unfortunate, Klingon inheritance aside.

Guess Marketing does have some value after all! ;-)

-Bill

I don't use Real (0)

Marvel Man (593480) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947382)

Real is too slow for me to use. I would rather not even use Real Player. But maybe this will allow for better support(somehow) and maybe some improvement in the player and the format itself.

Open Source wins again (2, Interesting)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947391)

Victory! First Real puts out a Linux version, then we learn that Real is going Open Source (and not just with their own stuff, but with Microsoft's as well), and now they embrace Ogg, the best codec ever!

It's good to see companies finally "get" Free Software. I am now going to Real's website to download the latest RealPlayer public alpha for $25, just to show my support for their recent behavior. I encourage every person in the world to do the same.

Linux rules!

VICTORY? OSS IS LESS THAN .01% OF THE MARKET, ASS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947410)

IF I EVER MEET YOU, I'LL KICK YOUR ASS ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947430)

Kick.

Re:Open Source wins again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947446)

Real are NOT going Open Source. They're adding support for one OS format. You won't be getting code with your RealOne player, unless it's to satisfy the minimum distribution conditions for Ogg.

$25? Enjoy your spyware! Too bad you don't know that it can be downloaded for free, they just make that link hard to find on their site.

It's predictable to see another little karma whore shout "hooray for Open Source!" without knowing the facts.

Re:Open Source wins again (4, Informative)

mmurphy_helix (594992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947485)

RealNetworks will be releasing the Helix DNA client software as open source in 88 days. This represents a media engine that can be used to build streaming media players. Today's announcement means that Ogg Vorbis support should be ready in time for RealNetworks' own open source release. For more details, visit the Helix Web site [helixcommunity.org] ! We're interested in collecting input on Helix and what we can do to work better with the open source community.

Re:Open Source wins again (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947545)

Mark, until it's ALL open, don't waste your breath. Until I am free to decode and listen to a .ra stream without using that Real crap it's not open at all.

Seems that "Open" is just another label dot-commers want you to believe but not think about. We're supposed to believe in a couple of new licenses cooked up by Real? Thanks but no thanks. There are plenty of licenses they could have used.

Re:Open Source wins again (2, Insightful)

B. Vhalros (468243) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947498)

You know, I'm pretty sure the author is trying to be sarcastic here. Am I wrong? Other repliers don't seem to be getting that.

A geek format... damn cool, but a geek format... (5, Interesting)

RinkSpringer (518787) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947405)

When Ogg Vorbis 1.0 was released, I converted all my audio CD's to Ogg files. It looks as if the Ogg encoder is much faster than LAME with variable bitrate, but I haven't really compared them accurately.

I fear the issue with Ogg Vorbis is that it is not as known as MP3. OK, so Unreal2 uses Ogg Vorbis... but do you honestly believe most gamers really read the manual, and especially the credits? I wouldn't think so.

At my work, I told a few employees about Ogg Vorbis, and absolutely no one ever heard about it. Some even said: "Why would I want to use that? I have MP3 and it works fine!". They simply don't care about patents and such, they just want it to work...

Based upon this, I fear Ogg Vorbis will only be used by geeks. Maybe when major software like Nero can instantly create Ogg files and not just MP3 files when saving tracks, it will be more known by the masses.

Re:A geek format... damn cool, but a geek format.. (1)

paul248 (536459) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947589)

I thought geeks used Nero, and everyone else used Easy CD Creator.

Re:Ahh, but you forgot one thing.... (5, Interesting)

RadioheadKid (461411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947601)

Based upon this, I fear Ogg Vorbis will only be used by geeks.
Many people are listeners not rippers. Geeks are the most efficient rippers and propagators of music. Many people don't care what format to which they are listening, as long as it plays in their favorite player. I send files to my friends in Ogg Vorbis format. The first time I sent them, I attached the Winamp plugin. Now, you don't even have to do that, it's included. One of my friends said that he hates when he finishes listening to one of the songs I sent to him and then the next song is an mp3, he realizes how bad a lot of his mp3's sound.

Now not having a portable Ogg Vorbis player is a whole different story...

Re:A geek format... damn cool. (2)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947602)

Oddly enough I heard nearly the same exact thing about mp3's 6-7 years ago...

Real is violating Ogg's patents - this is an out. (-1, Troll)

SubjectLineTroller (595674) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947418)

YOU LOOK VERY FAMILAR. DO I KNOW YOU? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947469)

IF I EVER MEET YOU, I'LL KICK YOUR ASS ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947511)

Bad Real! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947436)

Maybe that way Real will avoid being a failure twice. I didn't even realise people give a fuck about ogg...

Bad Real, bad! Please make all of your source code GPL, it really doesn't matter if you can't make adime - I get a player at least. Don't release anything for Windows, these guys are bad, we are the good ones. Also some spare change for FSF if you mind sir and some booze for ERS.

I really wouldn't like to add more, I'm so amazed thinking a beowulf of these...

xxx (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947457)

xxx

Re:xxx (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947510)

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Ogg Vo(zzzz) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947465)

Oh, Ogg Vorbis, phew, what a relief! I was really worried about this, and I'm glad they finally decided to put it in there.
Thanks so much slashdot for putting my troubled mind at ease.

And now, back to sleep:
Zzzzz

Good News for Ogg (1)

GarfBond (565331) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947501)

This is the kind of market acceptance that can only prove to be good news for Ogg Vorbis. Now, if I wanted to, I could rerip my entire MP3 collection into Ogg, using CDex [n3.net] to rip and now either Winamp or Real to play. I hope this also indicates RealNetworks is truly interested in open source and not just trying to hype things up.

Now if only my MP3/CD Player, one from iRiver [iriveramerica.com] , would support Ogg anytime soon I could have a complete solution.

Support for Vorbis on the RioVolt (2, Informative)

paul248 (536459) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947518)

I sent an email to SonicBlue asking if they were planning on adding support for ogg vorbis on the RioVolt SP250 via a firmware update. I received the following response:

Dear Valued Customer,
Nothing in the works yet. Maybe in the future.

Looks like I won't have portable oggs for a while.

Re:Support for Vorbis on the RioVolt (2)

TheOnlyCoolTim (264997) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947581)

I don't know the exact specification of the RioVolt but I would doubt it. A lot of portable players have a little chip that *ONLY* decodes MP3 and can't do anything else, and the other chip they use to drive the LCD, buttons, etc doesn't have the power to decode anything.

Tim

Subject (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947523)

Comment

MP3 and OGG HOWTO Update (4, Informative)

philkerr (180450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947535)

Ok, blatant karma whoring but it was on the to-do list :)

I'm in the process of updating the MP3 and OGG HOWTO as it's been a year since it was last updated (just read the threat link, I left in Feb.).

http://www.mp3-howto.com [mp3-howto.com]

Drop me a line with suggestions and comments.

Cheers

Phil

Riiiiiiighhhht (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947553)

You mean Real Player, the spyware player? Nobody has used it seriously in years.

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3947578)

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
By J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org], $Revision: 1.16 $
[This article attempts to document a vile, ungodly practice that runs rampant through the homosexual geek and hacker community, a practice known as âoeTaco-snotting,â or simply âoesnotting.â Taco-snotting is something that few geeks dare talk about in free or open conversation, but it is nonetheless a widely-practiced and dangerous form of homosexuality. If you or anyone you know has ever engaged in Taco-snotting, please get professional help [adequacy.org] before it is too late. â"ed.]

Why do I keep receiving emails from an individual calling himself âoeCmdrTacoâ?
You have been receiving unsolicited mailings from a certain Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website slashdot.org [slashdot.org]. Actually, itâ(TM)s not a very âoepopularâ site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks and hackers, zit-faced nerds, communists, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com], and other societal rejects and outcasts. Itâ(TM)s also home to one of the worldâ(TM)s largest suspected pædophile rings, the infamous âoeSlashdot crew.â
Whenever Mr. Malda gets bored (and who wouldnâ(TM)t, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the user database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual activities with him. How he determines this is anyoneâ(TM)s guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with a letter of the English alphabet in it, youâ(TM)re a potential candidate.
This time, he found you. Lucky you.

Mr. Malda seems to be speaking in some sort of code. Do you know what it means?
CmdrTacoâ(TM)s code language is relatively easy to decipher. This pervert prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo (yes, thatâ(TM)s right: he wants you) to evade the watchful eye of Slashdotâ(TM)s parent corporation, VA Software [yahoo.com]. Mr. Maldaâ(TM)s âoeCommanderâ is, of course, his penis: a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of Maldaâ(TM)s own lubed-up right hand. His âoeTaco bells [sonymusic.com]â are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his âoeTaco sauceâ is his thin, runny semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to âoering his Taco bellsâ or âoetaste his gourmet Taco sauce.â
I would also guess CmdrTaco asked you to engage in a practice known as âoeTaco-snottingâ and, if he was in a particularly depraved mood at the time, a âoecircle-snot.â

Good Lord. And, yes, he did. What is âoeTaco-snottingâ?
âoeTaco-snottingâ is the term used by Robert Malda to refer to the depraved act of fellating another man (homo- or heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer raping unwilling victims), then blowing the semen out his nose and back onto the face and body of his victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTacoâ(TM)s face [go.com], dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, âoeTaco-snotting.â
And if thatâ(TM)s not bad enoughâ¦
A âoecircle-snotâ is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew [bastardgenres.com]. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com], and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum â" spooging their jizz-snot all over each otherâ(TM)s faces and pasty, white bodies, until theyâ(TM)re covered head to toe with their own and each otherâ(TM)s man juice. This vile, ungodly ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limousine service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow faggots Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The homosexual shenanigans that follow are nearly beyond description. The whole group begins to snot each otherâ(TM)s spunk and whip each otherâ(TM)s pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
Hopefully, but I wouldnâ(TM)t count on it.
To begin with, you most likely forgot to uncheck the âoeWilling to Snotâ checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad (do you have a homosexual-sounding nick?), and heâ(TM)s probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube, just waiting to pounce and declare you his new bitch. Thereâ(TM)s no escaping a geek in heat (trust me), so itâ(TM)s probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTacoâ(TM)s sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to âoeWilling to Snot.â Maybe heâ(TM)ll ignore you. Probably not.

I canâ(TM)t stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, hemight leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge⦠oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot all over you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-snotted?
Unfortunately, yes. I first met Mr. Malda at an Open Source Convention [amazon.com]. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some âoegourmet Tacos,â but when I got there, the perverted geek jumped me and handcuffed me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his âoeCommanderâ out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times, virtually nonstop. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm⦠then he snotted my own thick, gooey jizz back onto my face out of his nostrils! He snotted me two more times, first into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, âoeOpen Sauceâ â" man sauce) buddies over to continue their ungodly snotfest. European hacker and known überfaggot Linux Torvalds raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his âoemonolithic kernel [yahoo.com];â his partner-in-crime Anal Cox used their âoenetwork stackâ in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice of my defenseless, tender, young body. Michael Sims was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my previously-virginal ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about âoeall those Censorware [spectacle.org] freaks out to get him.â

That is so disgusting! How did you finally escape?
After about 16 hours of countless unholy, homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, completely covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant â" I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door (of the apartment, not their back doors). Iâ(TM)m just glad I survived the awful ordeal. These sexually-repressed hackers had alot of built-up spunk in their wads â" I couldâ(TM)ve easily been drowned!

Thatâ(TM)s horrible. Does âoeTaco-snottingâ have anything to do with CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ?
No, thatâ(TM)s a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. Mr. Malda is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership [slashdot.org] about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ is. You will be wishing that you hadnâ(TM)t been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his âoespecial taco,â CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his âoeCommanderâ), puts his âoespecial taco sauceâ on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacoâ(TM)s jizz?
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTacoâ(TM)s nefarious homosexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victimâ(TM)s ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved. Trust me, you do not want Jon Katz anywhere near your unconscious body. Also, rumor has it CmdrTaco is looking for a new goatse.cx guy [goatse.cx]. Donâ(TM)t let it be you!
Different ungodly perversion, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.
Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. Heâ(TM)s also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Mr. Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesnâ(TM)t involve himself in the circle-snots, but that doesâ(TM)t mean heâ(TM)s any less of a freak than the rest of the Slashdot crew. Katz often engages in a game called âoejuicy-douching [aol.com]â with a harem of little-boy slaves that he has collected over the years: yet another vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boyâ(TM)s urine (forced out of them with a pair of pincers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then dribbling and slathering the goo all over himself and the boyâ(TM)s chained, naked bodies. If heâ(TM)s in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag from his distended anus and just squirt it from his ass [microsoft.com] onto the crying, terrified boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pincers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them at will. A boy will usually last about two years before Mr. Katz either accidentally drowns them in diarrhea or kills them once they get too old, usually around 13 or 14.
Not content with being a pædophilic coprophile, Mr. Katz is also quite the zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys arenâ(TM)t enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goatâ(TM)s anus [yahoo.com]. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goatâ(TM)s small, bean-like turds, and he often kills his older boys by letting his goats trample them.

â¦Are you getting hard writing this?
Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. Iâ(TM)m already CmdrTacoâ(TM)s boi toi.
________________________________________

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gGDTkgxSwH Post #806

Any suggestions to a client or codec for real? (1)

ZaneMcAuley (266747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947583)

I am looking for either a codec or a client player (yet another player) to stream ram format, ANYTHING except realone. I tried the realbasic v8 reg hack for the codec, but no dice.

RealAudio contains Sony's ATRAC3 audio compression algorithms, hence thats why its closed source and hardly any other players.

Can somebody code a real clone so I can stream ra files? Stupid broadcasters (national tv and radio web sites) seem to love Real Format yet skip over WMP and Mp3 or ogg. BBC had ogg streams but it was trials only and has since stopped. Hope they adopt it.

Real Benefit of Ogg Vobis: Keeping MP3's Cheap? (4, Informative)

John_Booty (149925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947596)

While Ogg Vorbis has a few technical advantages (better tagging, more advanced streaming) over mp3, there isn't a compelling reason for the end-user to switch, as many posters have already noted.

Why should users switch when mp3 technology is practically free and ubiquitous? MP3 software is cheap/free, and MP3 hardware's pretty affordable.

Still, if you want to release an mp3 playback/encoding device, you've got to pay Fraunhofer a licensing fee. Currently this doesn't cost a lot.

But what if Fraunhofer is keeping the licensing fee low for now, in order to stimulate demand and ubiquity of the format, and decides to jack up the prices later once the market is (relatively) dependant on mp3's?

You know this could happen... we've seen similar examples in the JPG and GIF cases. (slightly different strategy, but same aim... let people become dependant for free/cheap, then jack up the cost once they have no alternative)

In the end, the main benefit of OGg Vorbis might be keeping mp3's cheap. If device/software manufacturers hedge their bets now and include Ogg Vorbis support in everything, Fraunhofer will be much less likely to try and exert a stranglehold on the market later... since they'll know there's already a free and slightly superior alternative to mp3's waiting in the wings.

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SeanTobin (138474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3947628)

Just reading this article, and the quote at the bottom cought my eye...

"The medium is the message." -- Marshall McLuhan

Nothing could be more true in this case.
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