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New Red Hat Multimedia Oriented Distribution

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the do-you-hear-what-I-hear dept.

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ezadro writes "I just spotted this article at LinuxToday about Redhat being directly involved in a new distribution that will be known as ReHMuDi, which stands for Red Hat Multimedia Distribution." The goal seems to be a system for professional audio composers and engineers. Don't expect it for awhile- they have 24 months scheduled to do it, although it looks like releases will start by the end of 02.

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New Red Hat Buggery-Oriented Distribution (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005060)

FP assbiters

wtf? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005062)

huh?

Overlap. (1)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005063)

I just spotted this article at LinuxToday about Redhat being directly involved in a new distribution that will be known as ReHMuDi, which stands for Red Hat Multimedia Distribution.

I'm not a Linux user, so I may be wrong, but I seem to recall there being a Debian-based distro that someone was working on called "Demudi".

Sounds like duplication of effort, one of the common features of Open Source projects.

Has anyone used Demudi? How ready is it for prime time?

--saint

Re:Overlap. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005072)

*YAWN* Too damn many different distros for every different task.

why must Linux be all things to all people? (2, Troll)

krog (25663) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005094)

Linux is a great server OS. It's even a great desktop OS, if you know what you're doing. But professional audio?

It's nice to dream, but for now and for the forseeable future, the software just isn't there. There's barely enough professional audio software for Windows... Linux just doesn't compete.

Until the software's written, there's no point in making a distro to pretend that it is.

Besides, about 98% of professional audio tweaks use Macs. The other 2% use Amiga. :)

Re:why must Linux be all things to all people? (0)

black88 (559855) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005143)

I actually use Winxp Pro to run Cubase, Sound Forge, etc, and I have no problems.

Re:why must Linux be all things to all people? (4, Insightful)

uebernewby (149493) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005225)

Until the software's written, there's no point in making a distro to pretend that it is

True. However, we've recently seen it *is* possible to use *nix for pro audio, provided you tailor your *nix of choice specifically for the purpose. Apple did endless tweaking to theirs and right now, if you use apps that were specifically written for it, such as Ableton Live, OSX is quite a stellar performer.

Whether any software company is actually going to take the trouble to write for Linux is a different matter entirely, but I'd sure like to have PD run on something that performs a little better than vanilla Linux.

Re:why must Linux be all things to all people? (1)

notanatheist (581086) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005264)

Because when Linux is everything you need to the right people you can save money not having to buy certain O$'s or spend exuberant amounts of $$ on something like a Mac. Not to mention with more open source support for pro audio others would get involved in improving existing software for the community and thus inspire more creativity. The more money a starving artist can save on software packages the less he/she would have to work and have more time to play. Eh?

Redhat has the chance to make massive profits too (3, Interesting)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005291)

If they set it up so musicians who do create can create can upload music onto their site, or give music away for free, like mp3.com does.

I think Redhat could easily make money from this because music unlike art, everyone can appreciate.

An Open source music portal site could be created after enough musicians are using the open source software. It could really grow into a real community.

Thats why redhat needs to make the software fool! (3, Insightful)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005283)



We know the software is not there, if Redhat makes the software, it can work.

We need a fruityloop or reason like tool, We need a protools like tool, a cakewalk like tool, and a file sharing tool so we can create music and then upload it onto a network or even an extention of redhats site, and redhat can do something like Mp3.com to make profits.

Re:why must Linux be all things to all people? (3, Insightful)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005546)

No, you're a bit wrong here. Software is there, but is too fragmented. (Ok, take it as this distribution has a year or so to come out, so they will probably invest in that)

Base meaning of this distribution is putting together all of that in one package that fits all. As I presume, there will be some new ongoing projects to go with that (also suggestions and co-work with musical departments institutes that are contributing to project). But still major thing it will be tweaking everything together to make a sencible one-way distribution (as Lycoris) and show coverage of that department. I don't know, but I presume that this project will include some framework application on desktop to connect all applications as user expects (my guess) and to ease productivity.

Main problem of linux audio was, there was no applications, at least until I've searched whole Internet to get a software for real time multichannel recording and software for editing wave files.

Getting distribution in that way, well it's just another LSB-audio to show others what it can be done in this department, and making place for some commercial applications that will probably follow this move. (I think that movie industry would be glad to cover that deparment also as they did CGI).

Re:Overlap. (1)

Mr Teddy Bear (540142) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005103)

I am definately a Linux fan, however the one place I have really seen it lack (even more than in the friendly desktop area) is in the multimedia arena. I know there are tools for it, but you really have to look around and piece together a reasonable solution.

Personally I think this is great seeing as how BeOS is now defunct and they really had the most promise of a really good multimedia development platform. Mac is great for graphics, but I don't know how good the sound is. It will be nice to have an open source option which is viable. Too bad it will take 24 months. ;-)

Re:Overlap. (5, Informative)

cyba (25058) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005125)

Actually they work together with Debian guys. Here's some information from http://www.agnula.org/ [agnula.org] :

AGNULA's main task will be the development of two reference distributions for the GNU/Linux operating system completely based on Free Software (i.e. under a FSF approved Free Software license) and completely devoted to professional and consumer audio applications and multimedia development. One distribution will be Debian-based (DeMuDi) and the other will be Red Hat-based (ReHMuDi). Both will be available on the network for download and on CD.

Re:Overlap. (1)

uhoreg (583723) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005156)

They're both part of the AGNULA [agnula.org] (A GNU/Linux Audio distribution) project. (DeMuDi's home page [demudi.org] mentions the AGNULA project as well.)

Re:Overlap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005278)

By your definition, Debian is a duplication of Red Hat itself. Two different distros, two different audiences. Choice isn't a bad thing.

And anyhow, one of these MM distros is intended for Debian folk, and the other is intended for RH l^Husers.

Re:Overlap. (1)

Amiga Trombone (592952) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005356)

Sounds like duplication of effort, one of the common features of Open Source projects. But that's the great part about it. Give a thousand monkeys a paintbrush and eventually...

Re:Overlap. (2)

civilizedINTENSITY (45686) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005587)

From the horse's mouth:
"AGNULA's main task will be the development of
two reference distributions [agnula.org] for the GNU/Linux operating system completely based on Free Software (i.e. under a FSF approved Free Software license) and completely devoted to professional and consumer audio applications and multimedia development. One distribution will be Debian-based (DeMuDi) and the other will be Red Hat-based (ReHMuDi). Both will be available on the network for download and on CD."

Re:Overlap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005607)

Tried a developer release once, did not work worth a damn but that is to be expected. The project seems to have died, or maybe we are seeing the remnants of the project taken over by RH.

Second Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005067)

'Nuff said.

The truth [2012.com.au]

WOOT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005068)

FP WOOOOOOOOOOOT

fp (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005070)

well, aint the european union supporting some multimedia version of debian to?

Re:fp (1)

unoengborg (209251) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005097)

Yes they are. Here a short snippet from the Agnula web site:

"One distribution will be Debian-based (DeMuDi) and the other will be Red Hat-based (ReHMuDi). Both will be available on the network for download and on CD."

demudi? (2, Insightful)

bomb_number_20 (168641) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005073)

this seems awful similar to the Debian Multimedia Distribution [demudi.org] slashdot covered a awhile ago?

Re:demudi? (4, Informative)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005120)

this seems awful similar to the Debian Multimedia Distribution [demudi.org] slashdot covered a awhile ago?

But the difference is that Redhat will box it, and support it. This might put Linux in the hands of music professionals who wouldn't consider using anything that isn't well supported. Personally I am not sure if Redhat will pull this off. It is more likely that a sound equipment company or 3rd party will come up with a better Linux dist for these purposes, ie. someone who understands the market better.

Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himeself could not eat it? HS

Re:demudi? (1)

bhsx (458600) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005317)

Damn, you stole my .sig

Marge, come'ere, this guy does the best Flanders! He's got the moustache and the did-ly.

Cheers.

Re:demudi? (1)

bomb_number_20 (168641) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005421)

yeah; im kind of concerned about red hat actually. demudi is old news, but (to me at least) agnula and rehmudi aren't. the articles say there are to be 2 distros- 1 rh based, another debian based; with, as you say, the red hat distro being boxed and supported.

the interesting thing is that the agnula project announcement [agnula.org] is dated June 16th, and there is a news story on the Demudi site saying they are now officially part of the agnula project. to me, this seems a bit like 'embrace and extend'. this is going to be a big area in the future for linux- it is already growing and widely used in animation and there is the potential for huge profit.

my initial impression (not being any sort of expert) is that demudi has been quietly plugging away for a long time now and already has code available. red hat can come in, box it and work with agnula to sell it and carve out a niche for themselves without (it seems to me) really doing much.

based on this- i think that red hat can pull it off, because they have the support and connections of the agnula project and the work already done by the demudi team.

ReHMuDi? (1)

colmore (56499) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005087)

Perhaps the worst name in technology history?

Looks like 3L33T speak, takes a minute to think of how to pronounce. Why not "Redhat Media" or something like that?

Re:ReHMuDi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005115)

Or ReMedia? I guess that sounds too much like "remedial".

Re:ReHMuDi? (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005179)

How bout Redhat Mutimedia Edition, or Redhat ME, Wait...I think I have heard of that before....

Re:ReHMuDi? (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005249)

No, the worst name still has to be "Gnu", as in "Gah-new". What moron decided on that name?








*Yes, I know which moron. It was a joke.

Re:ReHMuDi? (1)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005275)

Sounds like an album by Basement Jaxx.

Re:ReHMuDi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005310)

>--
>...the most the rest of us get is "Mind that Bus! >What bus? SPLAT"

obscure Red Dwarf Reference!

Woooooot!

It's top secret, so let's encrypt the project name (1)

CarlPatten (6233) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005281)

That is a truly ugly name for the project.

It'll be interesting to see how they tune the Linux kernel for this, though. A lot of the issues in PC-based multimedia work are latency-related, so they'll probably be spending a lot of time working with kernel patches for that. The article doesn't give many specifics.

Re:It's top secret, so let's encrypt the project n (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005456)

It may *LOOK* ugly but it should probably be pronounced as "remedy" which is a lot better than most names that also *SOUND* ugly too, like DeMuDi.

Re:ReHMuDi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005330)

Just 2 kopeck's worth...
in Russian, MuDi is one of the words for "Balls".

Interesting (3, Interesting)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005089)

Can't wait to see this, I hope that it is headless, and can be controlled by pedals and synths like a Roland box. If small linux boxes can duplicate the power and features of sage sound enquipment, it will make for some cool possibilities.

Too much /., retinas burn...

Dead Rat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005090)

gnaws at my left nut.

lol (1)

domninus.DDR (582538) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005091)

When I clicked on comments the only two comments I see are about how demundi was already announce or something, and the ad was "Don't be another development clone. Sourceforge improves visibilty to root out duplicated development projects."

Re:lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005240)

It's truly become sad that the only thing interesting to talk about on slashdot is irony in the banner ads.

Is Linux suited for this? (0, Troll)

Innominandum (453982) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005095)

First of all, what is with the ridiculous name? Second, is Linux really suited for multimedia development?

When it comes to the Unices, the operating systems are slow themselves. But the graphic user interfaces are especially bloated and slow. A high performance and responsive operating system is what's needed for these applications. Linux is neither of these.

I would like to see this Linux be competitive in this field. But I think Linux needs a lot of work under the hood before it could be successful here.

Re:Is Linux suited for this? (1)

WetCat (558132) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005199)

At least in Russian MuDi means some parts of the private parts :)

Bizarre (1, Troll)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005096)

The goal seems to be a system for professional audio composers and engineers. Don't expect it for awhile- they have 24 months scheduled to do it, although it looks like releases will start by the end of 02.

How do they expect to make money from this? It's such a small market. Granted, in small professional markets you can usually charge a lot for support, but I just don't see business case here.

"By developing a release specifically designed for professionals in the musical industry, Red Hat wants to enable authors and composers, as well as simple amateurs, to free themselves from technological and cultural constraints," declares Franz Meyer, Director for Southern Europe at Red Hat, before adding "By giving more freedom to artists, our aim is to expand the global nature of music even further and to extend the concept of Open Source Software to Open Source Music."

Not really related to my previous point, but I just have to say in response to this: "Barf me".

Maybe the goal is to (2)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005130)

expand the market by makeing a much cheaper solution that is useable by just about anyone. It's not unthinkable that they are trying to come up with a product that will be geared towards the ever growing number or DJ's and musicians. There would probably be a greater number of musicians if the tools were cheaper and easier to use. I'm just takeing this from the quote that you used, expanding music further and geard towards music professionals kinda gave me that impression.

Re:Maybe the goal is to (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005231)

There would probably be a greater number of musicians if the tools were cheaper and easier to use.

Well, musicians and DJs aren't exactly known for their deep pocketbooks. Presumably they are planning to make it free, so I doubt they're going to get too many people on the low end signing up for support.

And even if they did get EVERYONE to sign up for support at $100/year, I doubt there are enough amateur musicians and DJs who would use this that would end up paying for the development. 2 years times 5-10 developers + overhead = $1-2M.

I dunno. This sounds like a fiasco in the making to me. Maybe they'll prove me wrong.

Re:Bizarre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005503)

Not bizare, enlightened.

Perhaps no-one is going to buy it and music professionals and amateurs are all going to download it for free, but that's not the point of the distribution. It's trying to gather together the best of the best audio free software. With such an environment, a great deal of **Linux/UNIX** audio/video innovation can be done and that innovation can work it's way back to the main distribution for "the rest of us" with more humble needs.

Without such a distribution, non-techie audio-philes will be forced to choose the Mac (in Qt) and Window (in AVI) to develop their audio works and applications. Linux will be left forever playing catchup.

Re:Bizarre QWZX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005556)

Not bizare, enlightened.

That just reminded me of a Simpson's quote:

Homer2: Bust in here and take it? You must be stupider than you look.
Homer: Stupider like a fox!

Digital Audio Workstations (5, Interesting)

iankerickson (116267) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005588)

First off, let me say I'm glad they didn't blow a lot of money on a naming consultant. That ugly acronym they settled on must have saved them millions of dollars...

Soundtracks, film scoring, and even some album production is being done increasingly on DAWs, pronounced just like it's spelled. A typical configuration is a tricked-out PowerMac (Sun Ultras used to be the platform of choice) with maximum RAM and a fast RAID array (i.e RAID 0 -- don't laugh, I'm not kidding. RAID 0 is used to lower latency on the drives) and a MIDI adapter, for both driving sound modules and inputting music on a master keyboard. Add a copy of ProTools, some Mark of the Unicorn software, a DAT drive, a CD-burner, a mixer, some rack effects, and maybe a high-end audio PCI card for when you hit the limits of the Mac's decent but not that great on-board audio. This is not a sub-$1000 iMac rig were talking about here. If you want a good DAW, you go to the bank in your best suit and tie and apply for a loan.

Of course this makes no sense to an amatuer composer/musician. You might ask what's wrong with a stock PC with a good sound card, a quality microphone, UltraATA disks, a MOD Tracker with WAV/MP3 export, any old MIDI synth with velocity-sensitive keys, and CD-RW/DAT drive? Nothing really, if you want you music to sound like it was created on a computer. But that's not what a real DAW is for.

A DAW has to be _FAST_. The software used (like ProTools) is used to edit and master a gigantic audio file of CD-quality sound. Document sizes are often routinely in the gigabyte range, unless you're just editing small leadins for TV or commercials. You can use MIDI and samples to provide voices in the soundtrack, but the goal of a DAW is to have total control over the audio in the file, just like you have over a photo in Photoshop. It should be just as easy to work with a "real" audio recording (like a studio session recorded with a real orchestra) as it is to use sythentic music (samples from a microphone or synth, MIDI sequences, etc) and tweak the finished product to sound completely natural, as if real musicians had played it that way start to finish in the first place.

So any latency you have in the DAW can put skips or glitches in your recorded input. You need a workstation with enough RAM to avoid paging, fast disks that don't cause the CPU to have to wait (DMA/SCSI), and good all around performance to prevent bottlenecks: fast OS, fast graphics, fast CPU, fast audio chipset, etc.

Linux is perfect for this, because comparatively MacOS 9, MacOS X, and all versions of Windows except CE are complete pigs. Linux just lags in solid support for audio input, mixing, MIDI, and audio applications, etc. the way Macs and PCs do.

This distro isn't something you sell to end users (though they may) but to OEMs and VARs who want to sell Linux-based DAWs but want a vendor for the operating system beside Apple, Microsoft, or Sun. Other people have mentioned how poor musicians and DJs are. If you could make and market a Linux-based DAW out of PC parts with comparable performance to a ProTools rig and a substantially lower price, you could make a place for yourself in the market and do pretty well. Anything in the music equipment world that is both "really good" and "pretty cheap" and word gets out. Selling distro CDs just raises money and hopefully creates good PR for the concept of Linux as a good enough OS for a DAW.

*YAWN* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005098)

Too damn many distros for every set of tasks.

Step 1: Collect Underpants (2)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005107)

I think this is a cool project, and I wish them the best of luck. However, the article failed to mention how Red Hat would be making money off of this. Selling support packages doesn't seem to work. And since the article says that the product will be distributed free of charge, they can't make money that way either. I suppose that they could sell boxed copies, but I don't know anyone who actually buys those (I just DL the ISOs).

Can someone who knows more than me explain how they hope to profit off this project?

Steve

Re:Step 1: Collect Underpants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005124)

Well for one they are selling to music people, not computer people. They might rather buy the boxed copy because they aren't cheap bastards.

Re:Step 1: Collect Underpants (0)

AndyAMPohl (573700) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005147)

Technical support maybe? That's what you're really buying when you buy a boxed linux. Andy

Re:Step 1: Collect Underpants (2)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005163)

Selling support packages doesn't seem to work.

No, selling support packages to independant, DYI geeks doesn't seem to work. Same goes for selling them box copies.

What we're seeing is an effort to shift away from just selling to the hard-core expert-level user. Let me back up: we use several software packages at work where the majority of the cost is from support and consulting. They can get away with this because it's a useful but somewhat arcane system and, at the end of the day, it's worthwhile for us to pay for both the licenses and the support (rather than have someone learn it, which would be overkill).

I suspect that the target audience for this has other things on their mind. If you can keep the whole process simple, easy and attractive to the end users (from a bottom-line perspective as well as a usefulness perspective), they will buy your product.

Re:Step 1: Collect Underpants (5, Insightful)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005250)

I suppose that they could sell boxed copies, but I don't know anyone who actually buys those (I just DL the ISOs).

I buy boxed sets about twice a year, from different linux companies -- SuSE, Red Hat or Mandrake. can I burn the ISOs? Yep, but I like to give back to the community and since I can't code, I buy their products to show my support.

How awesome! (0, Redundant)

djellusion (459899) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005119)

This distribution looks alot like Demudi [demudi.org] . I've never seen a little friendly competition hurt anything, especially in the Linux world. I hope companies like Steinberg [steinberg.net] and Protools [protools.com] start releasing apps for it.

Why don't you read the article before commenting? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005126)

Then you would know about the Agnula project, of which Demudi and Rehmudi are two off-shoots. It is cited in the first sentence of the article. Agnula itself is old news on Slashdot [slashdot.org] ...

Uhhh, this is an established project... (4, Informative)

pheph (234655) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005133)

I've been paying attention to AGNULA [agnula.org] for a while now and used DeMuDi (the debian based audio distribution) for some time. While the project could definitely use some serious corporate funding, we really don't need Red Hat Making Life More Difficult [opensoars.com]

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (0)

black88 (559855) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005159)

Big important question; Will it take a college degree in CS and weeks searching Google in order to get it to properly support soundfonts and the SbLive? If not, I would be into it, otherwise, WinXP works fine for me/

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005342)

to properly support soundfonts

what in the hell is a soundfont?

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (0)

black88 (559855) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005380)

A soundfont is a sound sample, created by EMU Corp., which is stretched along the keys of a keyboard, so it can be played as an instrument. I use them extensively, for example to get those old analog sounds like the Moog and Mellotron, without the overhead of having to own or maintain these monstrosities. The Soundfont works by using the chip on the soundblaster sound card.

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005420)

A soundfont is a sound sample, created by EMU Corp., which is stretched along the keys of a keyboard, so it can be played as an instrument. I use them extensively, for example to get those old analog sounds like the Moog and Mellotron, without the overhead of having to own or maintain these monstrosities. The Soundfont works by using the chip on the soundblaster sound card.

and this is important...?

wrt the article at hand, if it's useful (and it doesn't sound [tee hee, pun intended] like it) i'm sure it'll get added)

Red Hat trademark (5, Insightful)

XNormal (8617) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005329)

Red Hat is not trying to make anyone's life more difficult. They are just doing what they are required to do by law if they want to keep their trademark.

Considering that their trademark is just about the only thing they own (they give away everything else under the GPL) I'd say they have the right and duty to defend it. You can distribute copies of their distribution - just don't call it Red Hat.

On a more philosophical note - I wouldn't mind living in a world without copyright or patent laws. Neither of them protects my rights to be free from violence or fraud. On the contrary - patents and copyrights are a deal with the government to use the force of the courts underwritten by police violence to go after people who are doing something that doesn't harm anyone.

But trademark is different - it serves an important role in protecting me from fraud. How can trust in a vendor be built without a means of identifying his products that has some protection from fraud? It doesn't seem practical to put this burden on me as a customer. This tradeoff between two freedoms is therefore justified.

Re:Red Hat trademark (2)

pheph (234655) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005393)

I guess what it really comes down to is reality. If we wanted to sell copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on eBay, or on our website, how are we going to do that now? Are we going to call it Pink Cap? Or XXX XXXX? Or Pontific Linux 7.3 [opensoars.com] ? And if so, how are customers going to easily know what they are getting? How are they going to find what we're selling? Many other distributions allow the sale of their discs so long as it is understood that what is being sold is a copy.

I would also like to note that while writing this I have tried to remain somewhat impartial (OK, so I used bold in a few places ;) ). I really just wanted to let everyone know what Red Hat is doing and what it means for the community, not cast judgement on them. If anyone has any suggestions for better wording to achieve that, please let me know!

Re:Red Hat trademark (2)

Freedom Bug (86180) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005460)

Your argument has sound economic underpinnings:

Patents & copyrights protect unlimited goods. Unlimited copies of "Red Hat Linux v7.0" can be made. Patents & copyrights are an artificial mechanism to facilitate the trading of `Intellectual Property' in a market designed to trade limited goods.

But the name "Red Hat" can only be used to unquiely identify one thing, thus is a limited good and fits well into a standard market system.

Bryan

Re:Red Hat trademark (2)

zapfie (560589) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005559)

Patents were designed to guarantee a limited monopoly on an idea. This is very important- say you are a small inventor, with this great new idea. You go and start trying to sell it, and 3 major corporations rip off your idea, and you get pretty much no return on it. What do you do next time? Just keep the idea to yourself, it's not worth it. So patent laws promote innovation in the marketplace. Not to say they haven't gotten completely out of hand, but the purpose they were designed for is still important. Also, with regards to both patent and copyright, you are right, for the consumer, these laws have neglegable benefit. But many individuals are also producers, so these laws are important for them.

Re:Red Hat trademark (1)

Some Dumbass... (192298) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005572)

Considering that their trademark is just about the only thing they own (they give away everything else under the GPL)

I would assume they own their own office equipment (computers, furniture, pencils, etc.)

Then again, what if they didn't? Perhaps all their equipment is on a "rental" system. Their office space likewise. And of course they only keep their employees as long as they pay them month-to-month. It's amazing how fluid (or dare I say "virtual"?) a software company can be compared to, say, an auto manufacturer.

Yet RedHat does have a product, and that product is actually earning them some revenue (not enough, but still...) Yet they're just as much a company as a supermarket or a chain of restaurants despite the fact they don't own any tangible property.

Weird.

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005335)

I read your whiny link, and you are definitely infringing on Red Hat's trademark. It's an open and shut case, so why not stop bitching and just do the right thing?

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (2)

Outland Traveller (12138) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005395)

I would respectfully disagree with your position on reselling "RedHat Linux". You can distribute Linux any way you want as permitted by the GPL, but RedHat has a right to their trademark. You have to call your distribution something other than RedHat. Only RedHat has the right to use the RedHat trademark.

This isn't "making life difficult", it's the way business is done. You make yourself look like an ass when you attack RedHat for requesting that you respect their trademark.

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (1)

grazzy (56382) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005479)

you're a very small person, very small.

that page is even smaller,.

Misunderstanding (3, Informative)

pheph (234655) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005534)

The page in question [opensoars.com] outlines the threatening letter to distributors of Red Hat CDs and what it means to distributors. It is the truth with some research. I don't like it, but I thought you should know about it, and I'm sure Red Hat would like you to know about it as well.

The page is not anti-Red Hat, but pro-knowledge. I'm sure many people who stumbled on the site didn't know Red Hat's policy on copied CDs.

Red Hat has made our life a slightly more difficult. This is what they have done. We are not trying to slam them, or tell them they are wrong, or even had another choice, but this is how it is.

Re:Uhhh, this is an established project... (2)

Zapdos (70654) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005592)

Red Hat is not making anything more difficult. You are. You are confusing consumers. RedHat has a right to the use of their name. if you want to sell their GPL CDs call them something else. Because your CDs do not come with support. Red Hat Linux CDs do.

Niche markets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005148)

A lot of people have complained about the sheer numbers of different distributions, and argued that this will lead to fragmentation. But this is really the most interesting thing... Instead of using some generic, jack of all trades, master of none distro, there can be distros targeted for every segment of the population.

DeMuDi equals (sort of) ReHMuDi (0, Redundant)

bfootdav (18971) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005187)

According to the Agnula [agnula.org] website, DeMuDi and ReHMuDi are essentially the same thing just built on different distros (Debian and Redhat).

Remedy (2, Insightful)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005202)

Ohh I get it. rehmudi... remedy.
Man, that's a bad acronym.

Multimedia is not just audio (1)

sebol (112743) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005215)

Multimedia is not just audio
only agnula (audio) website linked
where is the Rehmudi website?

Great~!! (-1)

Shiska (131) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005241)

Now linux just needs some audio applications that are worth using.

The obligatory... (3, Funny)

zurab (188064) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005258)

Redhat also announced its complex innerworkings of its business plan regarding their multimedia distribution. The general outline of the plan is as follows:

1. Make Redhat Multimedia Distribution.
2. ???
3. Profit

Re:The obligatory... (1)

phoxix (161744) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005333)

actually, being how redhat has managed to stay in business as the world of linux has constantly shifted, I'd say they know what they are doing

Re:The obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005444)

those kinds of jokes were funny the first couple times. now they're just old. please move on to something else.

what is the origin of this joke? (2)

CoughDropAddict (40792) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005596)

The first time I remember seeing this joke was when Eazel was going under, and it was something like:

1. Write a file manager and give it away for free
2. ???
3. Profit!

But I went searching for this post yesterday and I couldn't find it in any of the eazel-related stories. So can anyone clear this up? Who posted this joke the first time, and when?

This sounds good (2)

Sarin (112173) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005259)

Hopefully this distro will encourage companies like
steinberg (cubase) emagic (protools) to make their software available for linux.

I doubt it though, but if it does I can imagine myself sitting behind a rocksolid computer in the studio with a cool desktop manager.

I won't be running redhat but gentoo, unless ofcourse the redhat people and the software manufacurors decide that the audiosoftware will only run under this distro.

Re:This sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005462)

Emagic makes a program called Logic Audio... ProTools is made by DigiDesign.

Apple recently bought Emagic and they killed Logic Audio for Windows, now it's Mac only. So no Logic for linux ever I suspect.

The real problem is the plug-ins. Even if you could port ProTools to Linux it's doubtful most companies (like Antares) would port their good plug-ins to it also.

Re:This sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005583)

Linux users don't pay for software...in any way...ever...

Why? (1)

MissMyNewton (521420) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005260)

The artist crowd is not predisposed to working with the intricacies of Linux (it ain't there yet folks) and given the large opposition every time discussion turns to making Linux easier to use, I can't really see the point.

If I'm missing something, please enlighten me (and others, I'm sure)

Re:Why? (1)

qubit64 (233602) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005418)

I don't really understand this either. I think dumbing linux down is a bad idea, but building an easy to use windows-like distribution (are there any at that level or near it yet?) wouldn't be a bad idea. The problem is selling it. I wouldn't use it because I like things the way I have them set up, not someone else's way.

Ive been waiting for this for a LONG LONG time (2)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005271)

As a Musician, if Redhat can manage to bring the right tools, such as fruityloop and reason like tools, something to edit stuff like protools, etc, and make it all open source.

This could really help linux, I know I'd love to be able to make my music in linux. I'll buy the redhat multimedia linux if its reasonable in price, meaning under 200 bucks. Redhat should also provide services geared towards the needs of musicians, maybe even create a peer to peer music sharing network to allow musicians to share their music in an open fashion.

Oh by the way, Redhat if you are reading this and Need a beta tester, please reply

Support "holes" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005514)

That raises the question. What is the present state of multimedia support under Linux?

Jesus fuckin' Christ, HanzoSan, SHUT THE FUCK UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005581)

I swear to god, the fact that an assclown like you posts at +2 now says more about the incredible decay of this site than anything else.

SHUT THE FUCK UP, HanzoSan.

tough market to crack (2)

Gavitron_zero (544106) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005341)

The idea of a free OS that is completely optimized for audio/video is a neat idea, the problem will be getting professional quality audio software available. I wouldn't dream of switching from a Mac or Windows until you could get a version of Cakewalk, Logic, or Pro Tools on it. If the companies that make these tools (arguably the top 3 multi-track recording software packages) ported them to linux, that'd be nifty, but since most people who do audio recording via software use one of these three, it'll be tough to crack the market.

ReHMuDi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005415)

ReHMuDi

Are script-kiddies now employed at Redhat?

I'd like to see more... (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005442)

... more than audio authoring.

As long as it's being referred to as multimedia authoring, let's talk about video, graphics and 3D modelling too!

I think all of those things being tied together into a single distribution could work nicely especially if integration is made a large point of focus on this. ...and I'd definitely use it.

I have a camcorder with a 1394 port. I'd love to be able to download my video, edit the frames with GIMP changing my broom handles into lightsabers! Perhaps I could do some 3D modelling and rendering to create a droid or two and overlay them into the scene as well? Next thing you know I'm fighting an invisible "remote" with broom handle!

Sound is only PART of the project...

Hell, for that matter, I could at least be able to make commercials or something commercially viable like that.

All I'd want from the distribution is a relatively flexible range of supported hardware that doesn't compromise quality of output and performance... that way I know in advance what I'm buying and can build a tool that will serve my purposes best.

So anyway... yeah... why stop at music?

Longhairs! (0)

turnstyle (588788) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005489)

Granted, somewhat off topic, but the thread got me drifting... Has it been entered into the public record the striking similarity between musicians and programmers? Technical, passionate, misfits, sweating details for the love of the art, etc.

I'd love to see my two ancestral clans finally reunite - seems the obvious route to entertainment industry destabilization.

BTW, Andromeda just got a cool writeup on Shift.com [shift.com]

-Scott

RedHat Multimedia distro (2, Interesting)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005494)

Never say "It can't happen" because I just glanced at the list of charter members and supporting companies for RealNetworks Helix development community effort... and RH is one of them. For those who don't recall, Helix platform is a client/server combination for producing and publishing streaming content of all types, not just Real files. Oh, and BTW they're going to "open source" it all thru their development community...

3) Profit (1)

sprzepiora (160561) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005497)

Suppose Red Hat is doing this for name recognition, or better yet
they are doing it for a weak vendor lock in type thing.

Say all the people who download this and use someday switch to linux completely. Who do you think they will go to for their home computers and such. Also, if companies start using this distribution who do you think they will buy support from? IBM, I don't think so.

This is very, very good news... (2)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005529)

...because this eliminates one of the last reasons I have to still run Windows. Get software that can match ProTools, Sound Forge, Vegas and Acid (the latter three are from Sonic Foundry) and I will gladly take Windows 2K off of one of my machines. Gladly. One of my big complaints about Linux is that there is no decent pro-level audio tools for Linux. Hopefully ReHMuDi will fix that. One less Windozer==one less headache.

Rehwhatty? (1)

Cave Dweller (470644) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005533)

LMFAO, I fell off my chair when I read the name.
I think people will actually buy it to say "Oh, yeah, I'm running Rehmudi Linux" when asked.

ROFL.

Oh Boy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005541)

24 months to wait!

I guess I have to keep using my Windows based
multimedia till then!

Thanks Red Hat! That's some quick work!

BeOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4005543)

When I read this, I just think about BeOS and sigh.. BeOS was so excellently suited to multimedia.

OT: that pimped out logo (1)

quannump (310933) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005544)

say what you want about there distro, but rh has the coolest logo.

BeOS was created for this... (3, Insightful)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005575)

...and it never caught on with the intended audience. I hope that this project has better success, and/or that OpenBeOS [openbeos.net] is successful where the original failed.

how to profit and benefit linux at the same time. (1)

s4m7 (519684) | more than 12 years ago | (#4005595)

if these guys got together with steinberg, and produced a distro that would run ported versions of cubase, reason, rebirth, rewire, and reaktor, and packaged with same, i would pay out the ear for it in a heartbeat.

frankly, if they could just get the midi implementation to work, i would be impressed.

hell, this and wineX would be reason enough to blast my windows installation entirely.
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