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Ibiblio Director Paul Jones Answers

Roblimo posted more than 12 years ago | from the using-more-bandwidth-every-year dept.

The Internet 87

Okay, here are answers from Paul Jones, director of ibiblio.org. You asked, and he responded -- and not always as seriously as you'd expect from someone who can ask us to call him "Professor Jones" or "Doctor Jones." But he's really "Just Paul," he says, "even in class." We hope a whole lot of you have a chance to meet Paul in person one day, because he's not only a warm and friendly guy, but one who has done a whole lot of good for Linux -- and for the Internet in general.

Paul:
Let me start out with a little overview of sunsite.unc.edu/metalab.unc.edu. Or better yet to point you to our annotated timeline. Then say that ibiblio.org began and has continued to be a way for the University of North Carolina (the original and still the best) to explore information sharing in the context of our missions of education, research and outreach. You folks using and contributing are the outreach part. In particular, we "acquire, discover, preserve, synthesize, and transmit knowledge" with all of your help.

We are a joint project of the School of Information and Library Science (there we are involved in digital archives and digital libraries), The School of Journalism and Mass Communication (there we are involved in electronic publishing and multimedia sharing), and the Vice Chancellor for Information Technology.

Except for one and occasionally two full time employees, our entire staff consists of students or in my case part time (as I have faculty responsibilities). So be nice to all of us, we're always learning. No matter what Robin said in the article introducing me, none of this would have happened without some very good people on staff and contributing content.

But that brings us to:

Question of Money
by too_bad

One of the things that people frequently ask about sites like ibiblio.org is "They are great. But how long will they be around?" Do you see this as a concern (esp. after the LWN announcement) and do you have any comments regarding this. Are there any good approaches you suggest (like augmenting free usership with voluntary subscriptions, etc) for such free sites in general?

Paul:
We have been very lucky, since our beginning, to have generous and understanding support from The University of North Carolina and from sponsors large and small including Sun, IBM, Red Hat, VA Linux^h^h^h^h^hSoftware, Mandrake, Cisco and others.

We also do get some research contracts and grants, but most importantly for us in the past two years has been a large gift from the founders of Red Hat and the Center for the Public Domain.

We have some top secret international funding sources as well. At the moment, we actually have a small endowment that if spent wisely should last several years. It is my hope that we will never have to charge the patrons of our digital archives.

BUT this brings me to my favorite question, which only got a rating of 4:

Donations?
by Anonymous Coward

Where do I send the cheque?

Paul:
Send your or your organization's tax-deductible contributions to:

Ibiblio.org

Campus Box 3456
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3456
Moving on to:

Typical Questions
by suwain_2

I've downloaded my share of things, and find that the 3 Mbps cap on my cable modem is almost always my bottleneck. So my question is fairly simple (albeit broad) -- can you describe your setup a bit, in terms of bandwidth (both what you have for an Internet connection, and how much traffic you actually use), servers, storage (I'd venture to guess it's to the tune of several terabytes?), etc.

Paul:
We're on UNC's network. Our connections to the commodity and Internet2 networks are served by UNC's OC-48 network connection. We maintain a constant throughput of network traffic outbound in the 160-180Mbits/sec range.

Our current main servers were donated by IBM and serve content from a central fileserver with 2TB of disk attached. In our racks, we have approximately 5TB of space (with system disks, Sourceforge and an Internet2/Distributed Storage Initiative node). We do some load balancing between streaming services, web services, and large downloads like distros. On a typical day, we move over 1.5 terabytes of data off our servers. (Thanks to Fred Stutzman for much of this info.)

Backups
by Chris Pimlott

What's your backup strategy? I imagine it's hard to deal with both so much data as well as being under constant bombardment from clients around the world. How often is data archived? Have you had any major data loss incidents and, if so, how well were you able to deal with them?

Paul:
Like everyone else we rely on Archive.org, but seriously... (Fred answers this since he did the restore).

We run managed backups on UNC's enterprise storage facilities. We run them every night and have incremental backups for three months. UNC uses StorageTek machines and Tivoli Distributed Storage Manager for enterprise backups. We have had major data loss incidents, in which a raid card failed and lost the array's configuration. One of the disks in the array died simultaneously, we were unable to re-import the configuration to the new card, so we had to restore from backup, which took a number of days.
I, Paul, can only say that in the past things were much worse and we did have one famous meltdown in 1995 that was not pretty. Since then the UNC enterprise backup has been our friend - and for the most part disks and RAID arrays have been increasingly more reliable.

What's your biggest area?
by Otter

I know ibiblio (I still think of it as SunSite) as a) a repository of Unix software, especially useful for pre-Freshmeat apps and b) a mirror provider. "Free online publisher" wouldn't have made the list, but looking at your main page I see all sorts of things I didn't realize you hosted. Which ones get the most traffic?

Paul:
For sheer bytes, ISOs rule. But then it doesn't take too many downloads to get a lot of bytes for an ISO. Source-based distros like Gentoo have seen a lot of activity lately.

One of our most visited sites is also one of our oldest, Nicholas Pioch's WebMuseum (originally WebLouvre). An amusing reason may be that, as Nicolas writes:

"I've just found out that
Microsoft Encarta Deluxe 2001 (the copy I just happened to find out and install) has direct links ('Web Links') from each artist's article to the webmuseum (on metalab.unc.edu at the time) and that's actually the only weblink provided in that 2001 edition."
Among other favorites are:

What about content producers?
by Fluid Donkey

In general how supportive have you found the producers of such content to be of your services? Do many if any really believe that something like this will cause them to starve to death?

Paul:
First, they are all with us voluntarily and can leave any time, taking their stuff with them. That alone pretty much says that they believe in what we are helping them do.

I should say also that not all material is copyleft. But all of it is free to view, listen to and to reference. We are working with Creative Commons, which we also host, to develop a small but viable set of licenses for folks including our contributors who want to share their work on various terms (attribution, home or personal use, educational use, etc).

One important contributor, Roger McGuinn, has been making one folk song a month available for download since November 1995 on his Folk Den. He also sells CDs and performs concerts. He seems to be doing pretty well. Many contributors are scholars or students who understand the importance of sharing information.

Dave Farley, who does the wonderful Dr Fun, has a book contract with Plan 9, and we're looking forward to seeing what we've seen in electrons in print.

Relative importance of different material?
by kafka93

What is the center's view on the publishing of material that might be considered "offensive" or "dangerous", and does the center make subjective judgements upon the importance of one piece of intellectual property over another on the basis of 'artistic worth', 'decency', etc.? With only limited resources available to promote the archiving of data, is there the risk that important fringe documents may be left by the wayside, or ignored due to political/social concerns?

Paul:
Like non-digital archives and libraries, we have a Collection Policy. You'll note that we do not explicitly ban materials for content nor do we plan to. We do not maintain materials that are illegal, slanderous, libelous, or otherwise prohibited by law. Ultimately the contributors are responsible for their content and we do not review the content once a project is taken on.

Most rejections of content come about because the content is too commercial, just personal, or relies on advertising.

Metadata and easy searching
by RyanMuldoon

iBiblio stands out as an excellent repository for a wide range of culturally valuable resources. As it and other sites grow in size, the importance of good searching and indexing becomes extremely relevant. Have you given any thought to how you might want to cope with this? Specifically, are there any metadata schemata that you are considering using? I would love to see iBiblio be used more like a content feed to research/cross-referencing applications.

Paul:
Interesting that you asked about this as this is an area that we've been working in for the past couple of years. Actually we go way back to pre-Web metadata to the Internet Anonymous FTP Archive (IAFA) files which were the model for the Linux Software Map (LSM). Thanks to Jonathan Magid for this innovation and for suggesting that we host Linux in the very beginning.

When we designed our contributor-maintained Collection Index, we designed it to create and display metadata that could be shared via the Open Archives Initiative (OAI). Please note that this metadata is at the collection level - not at the item level. Item level metadata is for future work. Also since you asked: Miles Efron and I will be presenting a paper at the Digital Resource in the Humanities conference in September on the Problem of Access in Contributor-Run Digital Libraries. Serena Fenton is co-author to this paper.

On the Linux Documentation Project front, we worked with several others to create the Open Source Metadata Framework (OMF).

The OMF aims to collect data about Open Source documentation, or metadata, that will be used to describe the documentation. The idea is that the OMF will act as a sophisticated card catalog type of system for the numerous Open Source documentation projects that exist. The OMF offers a number of advantages over standard card catalog type systems, however. Chief among these is the fact that the OMF has been designed from the ground up to be completely open, standards based, and sharable. We will accomplish this by using pre-defined standards (XML and the Dublin Core description for metadata) and allowing all metadata generated to be accessed by anyone that wants it. Because the metadata itself is to be stored in XML files, anyone should be able to use it.

OMF support is included in the Scrollkeeper project. Note that none of these metadata designs are overly complex. That is by design. The idea is to keep the metadata simple enough to be understood by the creator of the digital item or collection that it describes. If I could make one strong point about metadata design it is that simplicity is the key - and the hardest thing to pull off.

Trust metric and online publishing
by Creosote

I heard you talk at the Southern Presses conference last year about the use of trust metrics (like Slashdot's karma and Advogato's peer certification) as a possible alternative to the "top-down" means of filtering that scholarly and commercial publishers use, namely formal peer review and mass marketing, respectively. Are you more or less optimistic about the long-term viability of this model then you were then? (Especially in light of the powerful efforts to keep control of the gates we're seeing these days from Hollywood, the recording industry, and their political allies...)

Paul:
Beginning here I am speaking personally and not on behalf of ibiblio.org or any of its sponsors or supporters including but not limited to the University of North Carolina.

The Blog is one example of creator-empowerment that has gotten more attention since that talk and I think there will be plenty more examples to come. I still believe that people in constant communications will result in "Smart Mobs" (thank you, Howard Rheingold, for naming and noticing and writing on this). This is not just about music or movies or about one country or even one age group. While I don't think that we will completely replace our reliance, however reluctant, on Mickey Mouse, I do think that we are entering a time in which there are new opportunities for us to share information and to work together. The slew of misguided efforts by media and information cartels, especially the RIAA, which demonize their customers and clients, will make things tough but they also are signs that the old solutions are not working well and that newer, and I hope more inclusive and more open, solutions are on the horizon.

GeekPAC and "When Congress Attacks"
by lunenburg

I noticed that you are one of the founders of the American Open Technology Consortium and/or GeekPAC - the lobbying group that got a bit of fanfare a few months back when it was formed, but has been pretty quiet since then. With Congress launching seemingly daily attacks on our technological freedom in order to support the revenue models of a few huge businesses, the need for a voice in Washington is growing urgent. Is the AOTC/GeekPAC working to get our voices heard? Is there a need for an umbrella group to tie together various groups like GeekPAC, Public Knowledge, Digital Consumer, etc.?

Paul:
Yes, (again speaking only as Paul) I am an officer of the American Open Technology Consortium (AOTC). But for various complex reasons, I am not a member of GeekPAC. As you might have guessed, getting these projects going has been no simple matter. Jeff Gerhard has been doing a wonderful job of making sure the legal and procedural steps are properly taken. So far, what you are seeing is some very motivated but very busy people learning how to work together to get the projects off the ground. The good news is that folks like Jeff, Doc Searles and others on the boards are smart, dedicated and experienced people who can and will play well with others (including Public Knowledge and Digital Consumer and EFF). We hope to represent slightly different voices than those already represented. If you are reading this, you know who you are and we need your help.

About the umbrella group, I think that a summit conference (or at least a summit listserv) would make more sense. This kind of looser structure, often called an Action Committee or Organizing Committee, has been very successfully used by both ends of the political spectrum in the past half century.

Two words...
by Anonymous Coward

DRM? Palladium?

What's your take on these two technologies?

Are you afraid they'll ultimately destroy what you have been working for, for the past 10 years? If not, why?

Optional question: What about the copyright extension we have seen?

Another optional question: Linux... or BSD? =)

Paul:
Not Linux vs BSD, but Digital Rights Management and Microsoft's Palladium. DMR is the general term for the groups of solutions to the need for creators to be compensated for their work while allowing their audience to easily access those works. Or at least that would be ideally what DRM should do.

When DRM goes wrong, it tramples on the rights of the citizens to have access to information that they have legally purchased, want to criticize, parody, legally reuse or share.

When DRM goes wrong, it creates barriers to innovation and creativity. It biases access and reproduction of information to only certain technologies.

When DRM goes wrong, it creates and perpetrates closed markets and monopolies.

When DRM goes wrong, everyone suffers. It takes us back to the Stationers Guild, a response to the printing press. "The Stationers Guild obtained monopoly rights in the printing and probably distribution of all books, a monopoly codified by the Tudors in a licensing system aimed at censoring religious dissent" which lasted until the early 1700s.

When DRM goes wrong, it is called Palladium.

The good news is that Palladium is vaporware - so far.

What is your greatest success/failure?
by burgburgburg

Simple enough question in two parts:

Looking back on 10 years of doing this, what would classify as your greatest success, and your greatest failure?

Paul:
The simplest question is the hardest, of course. Luckily, you've narrowed the success/failure question to deal only with sunsite/metalab/ibiblio and not the past 10 years of my life.

One mark of great success is that we are still here hosting some of the original collections of information to be shared on the Net including the first 7/24 radio simulcast on the net, WXYC. We've been a part of many innovations and I, personally, have been able to work with some brilliant folks who often surprised themselves with what they had accomplished. We're also funded and we enjoy support from some wonderful and diverse faculties at UNC.

There is no question in my mind that the most significant decision that I made in those ten years was to listen to Jonathan Magid when he suggested that we become the US site for an operating system that didn't even work yet - Linux. If you are reading this far and are happy, you owe Jonathan. If you are unhappy, blame me.

In research, there is no such thing as failure. As I was explaining to our Interim Vice Chancellor, we are supposed to make mistakes. As Ms. Frizzle says, "Take chances, get messy and EXPLORE! Wahoo!".

Still, I do wish that we had found a way to use WAIS or another distributed search engine in a way that is still useful. There still seems to me to be something unfinished in that area. Killing gopher. That was more fun than Wack-a-mole.

And one final answer:

Slack.
by dsb3

You host a slew of subgenius content, so it must be asked ... do you have slack?

Paul:
While I do not profess to completely comprehend slack, I have been assured by members of the Church that I do have it.

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FIRST POST (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025480)

FIRST POST

hahahhaha

first post? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025481)

is it my FIRST EVER? pop my cherry!

What are women thinking (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025570)

What are women REALLY thinking about when they're sucking a guy off?

Not knowing has always bothered me to the point of sexual dysfunction.

good interview (-1, Flamebait)

c0nfucio-licious (594487) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025489)

Both the interviewer AND the interviewee are full of shit.

Re:good interview (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025554)

Really?

How do you know that? Did you probe them thoroughly with your withered cock?

Re:good interview (-1, Offtopic)

c0nfucio-licious (594487) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025646)

I resent that so-called reply, based on the fact that it sacraficed grammar to save time, and used a laughable method of insult to reflect the subject using symbols and exploitives in the most emotionally crippling way, resulting in the total loss of the author's journalistic integrity. Furthermore, If you must continue with posting your tasteless banter, please keep the sophomoric, insipid attempts at ridiculing the immasculated to a minimum...we don't want the whole world to know they share oxygen with the likes of you.

Re:good interview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4027225)

STFU

Where's my question? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025493)

I asked about the effects of goatse [goatse.cx] , but nobody modded it up for it to be answered. Some democracy this is.

Re:Where's my question? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025628)

I found out the registrant for goatse.cx lives 30 miles from me in Olathe, KS, and DNS is served 15 miles East in Raytown, MO. Would you like me to call or visit him for you?

Re:Where's my question? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025853)

Yes, please do. Tell him we'd like to have him here on slashdot, if he's not already.

Thank you, you're one of the good guys.

Re:Where's my question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025944)

I forgot to mention Raytown has long been host to many telemarketing companies. When we grew up, there was either fast food or working in a telemarketing sweat shop.

I flipped burgers. My friends that went the other route have all committed suicide, joined the military, or both since then, apparently from the trauma.

Re:Where's my question? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025906)

call him up nigga!!!!!

I've got a new sig (2, Funny)

rde (17364) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025499)

When DRM goes wrong, it is called Palladium

SLASHDOT GAY CONSPIRACY!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025520)

This is a preliminary announcement of my forthcoming series called: Slashdot Gay Conspiracy - How Slashdot made me dream of other men's pee-pees.

It is an autobiographical account of how a straight man like me, to whom the very idea of homosexuality was utterily repulsive, was slowly brainwashed by countless Taco-snotting, goatse.cx and Linux Gay Conspiracy posts into thinking that I could, in fact, engage in homosexual activity and perhaps even like it one day. The last straw was the dream I had last knight in which I willingly did a handjob on a total stranger.

The truth must be told so that the others can avoid my fate!!

Re:SLASHDOT GAY CONSPIRACY!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025543)

I could, in fact, engage in homosexual activity and perhaps even like it one day

And what's wrong with that? Sex is like pizza. It's either good or absolutely great; never bad. Why should you care whether it's a male or a female mouth that's sucking your cock? Your cock won't feel a difference.

Re:SLASHDOT GAY CONSPIRACY!!!! (0, Troll)

raxhonp (136733) | more than 12 years ago | (#4029724)

So what? If you feel like being gay, you don't have to feel guilty about it, it's your right. If the /. crowd helped you open your eyes, you should be thankfull after all.

My dayghter (3 years and a half) says:
- what did he do with the other man, dad?
- you will know that later!
- dad, does that means he is in love?
- euh, perhaps
- can I do that with him?

If you can't stand being gay, try at least to be patient (20 years are not so long), there's someone waiting for you.

Linix is for H0m0 h1pp13s (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025522)

eat my erection

Yeah right (-1, Flamebait)

unicron (20286) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025527)

Let's get serious people, no Linux advocate has EVER been described as warm and friendly.

Slack (3, Funny)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025528)

While I do not profess to completely comprehend slack, I have been assured by members of the Church that I do have it.

Praise Bob!

Re:Slack (-1, Offtopic)

dsb3 (129585) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025564)

Hail Connie!

Don't you mean... (0, Offtopic)

Wee (17189) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025672)

Hail Eris!

Bob wouldn't know what to do with it anyway...

-B

Hong Kong Picture Archive (2)

jsse (254124) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025541)

I live in Hong Kong, but I didn't realize ibiblio has been hosting such a great site [ibiblio.org] . I'd like to use to space to thank Paul!!

Has to be said (2, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025547)

(sigh) Goodbye, karma:

...and not always as seriously as you'd expect from someone who can ask us to call him "Professor Jones" or "Doctor Jones."

No time for love, Doctor Jones.

Re:Has to be said (0, Offtopic)

unicron (20286) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025653)

Any of you guys seen any balls around here?

Yeah, about the biggest pair you've ever seen, dingleberry.

Re:Has to be said (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025706)

Mmmmmk

they said it like that in clerks

but in temple of doom, short round never says "no time for love, dr. jones"

he just says "no time for love"

just wanted you to be clear on that.

Linking and Donations (3, Interesting)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025580)

"I've just found out that Microsoft Encarta Deluxe 2001 (the copy I just happened to find out and install) has direct links ('Web Links') from each artist's article to the webmuseum (on metalab.unc.edu at the time) and that's actually the only weblink provided in that 2001 edition."

Does Microsoft donate to the service as they depend on it for their products to work?

Re:Linking and Donations (0, Offtopic)

tiedyejeremy (559815) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025607)

I would suspect not. Microsoft has already "gifted" enough. Think of all the support personell that would be out of a job if not for them! Think of all the poor trojan writers and lawyers. Microsoft has donated enough already!

Web Links (2, Interesting)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025684)

Does Microsoft donate to the service as they depend on it for their products to work?

It doesn't sound like they depend on it for their product to work. If they have --Web Links-- (why doesn't ampersand quot semicolon work anymore on /.?) then that's like saying, --for related reading, check out Owls of the World, by Joe Schmoe--. It isn't my responsibility to make sure that book is in print, or to buy your library a copy.

Re:Web Links (-1, Offtopic)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025982)

You know, you could just act like a normal person and use the little quote key next to the enter key. "See"?

Re:Web Links (0, Flamebait)

vsync64 (155958) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026354)

Slashdot has disabled all character entities (except &... go figure). I think it has something to do with the link between CmdrTaco's insecure masculinity and his "lameness filter". See the end of this post [slashdot.org] for more details.

CmdrTaco, grow up. Stop trying to fight a useless battle you can't win, or at least stop breaking basic HTML in the process.

Re:Web Links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4026499)

go to www.fark.com [fark.com] if you want fancy html with your stories.

Re:Linking and Donations (2, Insightful)

Zayin (91850) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025946)

Does Microsoft donate to the service as they depend on it for their products to work?

Like if slashdot should donate to every site they link to, since they depend on other sites to work? (On the other hand, they do "donate" to linked sites, if you consider increased traffic a donation. That's great for ad-based sites: "Wohooo! Look at the traffic! We're rich! Wait a minute, why is there blue smoke coming out of our webserver?"

The Esteemed Doctor Jones (-1, Offtopic)

duck_prime (585628) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025612)

[...] and not always as seriously as you'd expect from someone who can ask us to call him "Professor Jones" or "Doctor Jones."
Most of us, of course, just called him "Indy".

You mean Junior (-1, Offtopic)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025655)

We called the dog Indy.

(I'm not sure you can I'm typing the brogue correctly. Can you tell?)

Point of (non) interest (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025697)

It was "We named the dog Indiana"
Still, a great movie nonetheless

Re:The Esteemed Doctor Jones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4027521)

Offtopic? Some people have no fucking sense of humour.

completely off topic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025629)

i know this is offtopic, but i wanted to share
while searching for a new phone i saw this on att's website..
Nokia 3360
Original Price: $79.99
Instant Rebate: -$80.00

Final Price: $0

shouldn't they owe me a penny? no wonder corporate america is so screwed up, they can't even do simple math

Re:completely off topic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025732)

I've got a screenshot of Amazon.com showing a movie with:

Their Price: $14.99 (crossed out)
Our Price: $19.99
You Save: $0.00

I think I'll buy with "them," thanks anyway.

Re:completely off topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025750)

You might wanna link [attws.com] to the site - it's on the right side. I've got a screenshot of it - I think I'll send this to El Reg...

Failure can be as much omission as commission (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025637)

If not fully finding a way to use WAIS or another distributed search engine qualifies in your mind, that's all I was asking.

Re:Failure can be as much omission as commission (2, Interesting)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026719)

Yes I think that WAIS and/or other distributed search solutions still have a place, but that because of the ways that WAIS 'entered the market,' it and others of its ilk were not considered seriouly enough. I consider this a sin of omission (and being a good Episcopalian that is just as bad as a sin of commission to me).

Okie Dokie Dr. Jones !!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025639)

Hold on to your potatoes !!!

Linux (-1, Flamebait)

SkipToMyLou (595608) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025657)

"because he's not only a warm and friendly guy, but one who has done a whole lot of good for Linux" I just want to make it clear that I will not attend UNC due to the fact that this bastard helped all you long-haired Linux zealots get your precious toy. I hope you all burn in hell.

re: Linux (0, Flamebait)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025914)

yeah!! CP/M forever!!!
shmuck. you better not be a BSD person, either.

Re:Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025975)

Crappy troll, Skip. You've got to learn not to be so obvious.

Re:Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4026005)

I just felt like venting.
Sorry sir.

-StmL

This is stupid beyobd measure... (-1)

Krazy_in_Normal (589743) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025691)

Can you read your iPAQ when the battery is dead? I can't. And as good as my iPAQ is for some things, that screen is just too damned small for reading.

I much prefer books. You can annotate the hell out of them. Books don't crash. Books don't have issues with "alternate" operating systems. Books aren't subject to the whims of some funky piece of software that might just decide to stop working.

And most importantly, when was the last time you replaced the missing leg on that old couch with an iPAQ?
-- "It's just this little chromium switch here..."

Small endowments (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025716)

we actually have a small endowment that if spent wisely should last several years

Wow. I have a pretty large endowment, but I can only make it last about twenty minutes..

Re:Small endowments (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025993)

If you really had a large endowment, you wouldn't be posting as AC.

Needs to be updated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025768)

their Lycoris ISOs are over a year out of date!

Led Zepplin? (1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025793)

This whole article and no one asks him about playing bass with the greatest rock and roll band of all time, Led Zeppelin? Oh the humanity....

Re:Led Zepplin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025950)

what? he's a musician? I have to look this up... A linux advocate with a life and outside talents? Never! i refuse to beleive!

And I am royally pissed that my friend just saw the who with robert plant and did not tell me. argh.

Re:Led Zepplin? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025967)

boy, am I stupid.

Re:Led Zepplin? (1)

GroupK (470494) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026573)

Ask him about driving car no. 45 for Petty Enterprises. Right, just try to deny it, Kyle.

(No, I didn't forget the "http://", I couldn't get the URL to fit otherwise. Where's Procrustes when you need him, anyway?)

www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5056/kyle.htm l

Somewhat OT: URLs (1)

fader (107759) | more than 12 years ago | (#4028844)

Why not just make it a link [geocities.com] ? Then you can use as long a URL as you like and not worry about the filters trashing it.

HTML really isn't that hard [lycos.com] . :)

Enough already! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025821)

Look, Clinton has been out of office for a couple years now. Can't we just drop this whole Paul Jones thing?

Best Interview Ever (2)

gosand (234100) | more than 12 years ago | (#4025846)

I have to say, it was quite refreshing to read an interview on Slashdot that was to the point, on topic, clever, and with appropriate web references contained within. It was straightforward enough for the average reader to understand, with enough obscure references to delight those in the know, and make those just outside of the know to want to learn a little bit.

got slack? [cafepress.com] t-shirts.

My question was modded to a 5, but wasn't asked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025851)

Guess it somehow didn't fit with what the people running the show wanted to ask.

Oh well. -_-

Re:My question was modded to a 5, but wasn't asked (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026522)

which question was it and i promise to try ans answer.
i'd write you directly but you posted as AC

Re:My question was modded to a 5, but wasn't asked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4026807)

It was the question on how much traffic the site has now compared to ~10 years ago when it started, and how many linux iso's get downloaded in an average day, how much it costs to run such a philanthropic site...

Maybe the question was out of line or something? @_@

Re:My question was modded to a 5, but wasn't asked (4, Informative)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026923)

Just not one that I got from /. but not out of line

10 years ago we set a goal of about 10,000 downloads a month with Sun. We beat that in 2 days.
By two years later we completely saturated a t-1.
Now we average between 150 and 200 Mbs all the time.
(I may have answered this part above).
Setting a price is more difficult. We pay students, but they also get trained etc and several of the students are paid by research grants and gifts. All most all of our hardware is donated -- so setting a cost on that is imprecise. Our space, our machine room (7/24 controlled environment, monitoring, backups, and the like), and much more is not priced but contributed by the Univesity). We do pay for our portion of the network use of the commercial internet but that is bought by a university consortium and not at a regular rate.
so costing out the project is not an easy task. we also support many research projects that return moneys indirectly to the school etc.
But let's just say it's not cheap and we greatly appreciate the support we get from UNC and from places like the Center for the Public Domain, and companies like IBM, Sun, Cisco, Red Hat, mandrake etc.
But especially from smaller local companies like webslingerZ, islandsedge and others who sponsor students

Re:My question was modded to a 5, but wasn't asked (1)

.milfox (75510) | more than 12 years ago | (#4028633)

Hey, I noticed the donation address .. Any chance of a paypal/amazon donations link?

It might help those of us who are snail-impaired.

Re:My question was modded to a 5, but wasn't asked (1)

CableModemSniper (556285) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026883)

Now that is cool. Coming back reading the replies and offering to answer a question thatd didn't make the list. ::claps::

"Collection policy" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4025911)

Hmmm. So how does this site [ibiblio.org] fit in with this [ibiblio.org] ?

giant penguin (1)

nocent (71113) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026086)

I went to his homepage and would have enjoyed it more were it not for the giant penguin [ibiblio.org]
which obscured a large portion of the text and refused to go away.

On another note, anyone else read the shady letter [ibiblio.org] he linked to in one of his answers?

Re:giant penguin (1)

xactoguy (555443) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026172)

If you want to move the penguin, just click and drag it somewhere else. It is a link to a download, though ( real media file )

Re:giant penguin (0)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026212)

take your mouse and drag the penguin whereever you'd like it to be...

Re:giant penguin (2)

akb (39826) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026505)

can't drag w/ Mozilla 1.0

Re:giant penguin (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026556)

mozilla doesn't support dhtml?

Re:giant penguin (2)

akb (39826) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026797)

i have had problems w/ dhtml on other sites with it, so its probably buggy.

Re:giant penguin (1)

VP (32928) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026836)

I noticed the you used document.layers in the Javascript code - AFAIK, "layers" was a Netscape "invention" which was non-standart, and is therefore not supported in Mozilla.

Re:giant penguin (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026947)

'layers' don't work on the latest Netscape 7.1) either. i'm so embrassed, but it from 1995 ;-> time to update, i guess.

Re:giant penguin (1)

megaversal (229407) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026636)

Doesn't seem to work with Mozilla 1.1b. Works fine under IE though =\

Re:giant penguin - fixed (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4027106)

In my defense let me say that I created that little DHTML Penguin trick back in 1995 as a class demo. I liked it and left it there. It used to work on all browsers (more amusing on lynx), but even tho Netscape invented 'layers' (as is pointed out in the other messages) they abandoned the 'layers' idea and the browser I'm running right now Mozilla 1.0 and Netscape 7.1 don't support them. Also, ironically, the one browser that does support 'layers' is Internet Exploiter.
Fear Not! the Penguin has moved to the bottom of the page now.

Re:giant penguin - fixed (1)

Eccles (932) | more than 12 years ago | (#4030677)

In my defense let me say that I created that little DHTML Penguin trick back in 1995 as a class demo

Speaking of that web page, you write about yourself in both first and third person. Any chance of making that a little more consistent?

Oh, and do you strangle anyone who says, "You are being foolish, Dr. Jones" in a mock German accent?

Re:giant penguin - fixed (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4032593)


Speaking of that web page, you write about yourself in both first and third person. Any chance of making that a little more consistent?


i'm creating a dialectic with myself? because i need a quick bio to cut and paste for folks to use occassionally soooo the first two paragraphs are for that and in third person. perhaps i should add a couple of paragraphs in second person to fill that void.

Re:giant penguin - fixed (1)

Eccles (932) | more than 12 years ago | (#4034754)

How about using the Royal "we"?

radio first termer (2)

akb (39826) | more than 12 years ago | (#4026344)

My fave collection on ibiblio (besides the geeky stuff) is radio first termer [ibiblio.org] , a collection of audio from a pirate radio guy during the vietnam war.

Oh, and I found a bunch of old time bawdy folk songs [ibiblio.org] today that are pretty cool.

Re:radio first termer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4027348)

There were some pretty cool bawdy folk songs on AudioGalaxy too. Hope the RIAA doesn't hear about these too..!

other fun stuff at ibiblio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4026452)

WXYC [wxyc.org] the first radio station in the world to continuously stream its signal on the net. Good music, too.

Content producers (4, Interesting)

hetta (414084) | more than 12 years ago | (#4027113)

In general how supportive have you found the producers of such content to be of your services? Do many if any really believe that something like this will cause them to starve to death?

I'm one of those content providers. Checks self: Nope, not starving. In fact, I love ibiblio:

They give me unlimited non-commercial space in ftp and html (and that really is unlimited. I have zipfiles of herbal forums online, from 1992 onwards... couldn't do that if I had to pay monthly fees for the space.)

Ibiblio is in all the search engines.

You can still get my main page with the same URL [unc.edu] as that used back in 1995 - how many sites can you say that about?

There's smaller perks, too, like a shell account, setting up mailing lists (no ads!), and such.

So here's a big Thank You to both ibiblio.org and unc!

Cheers
Hetta

AIDING AND ABETTING ANAL SEX (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4027153)

"We hope a whole lot of you have a chance to meet Paul in person one day, because he's not only a warm and friendly guy..."
I'm sorry Roblimo, but not everyone enjoys the warm, puckered anus of a bookworm. I don't want to meet Paul in person nor do I want to encounter his warm turd canal. QUIT PUSHING YOUR GAY AGENDA, YOU OLD HOMO!!!

I'm sorry Paul, but... (1)

adagioforstrings (192285) | more than 12 years ago | (#4028764)

I'm afraid UNC is not the original...That would be The University of Georgia [uga.edu] , chartered in 1785 [uga.edu] as opposed to UNC's 1789 [unc.edu] .

And UGA is, of course, the best. ;-)

Re:I'm sorry adagioforstrings , but... (2, Insightful)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4029148)

Unfortunately, Georgia didn't allocate funds for their university until North Carolina was already graduating students. By our figuring, UGa was vaporware while UNC was producing top quality grads (as we continue to do today).

I'm sorry, adagioforstrings, but... (2, Insightful)

cameroncase (533475) | more than 12 years ago | (#4029191)

And I'm sorry, adagioforstrings, but UNC actually had students first.

From your own links: [unc.edu] UNC actually started its first building on October 12, 1793, and..."Opened to students on January 15, 1795, The University of North Carolina received its first student, Hinton James of New Hanover County, on February 12."

UGA [uga.edu] ..."was actually established in 1801 when a committee of the board of trustees selected a land site." No mention of the first class or student. Either way, my math (curtesy of a UNC education) says that UNC had students for six years before Georgia even decided where to locate their campus.

Now, for those of you not in on the UNC/UGA argument, this very same thing has been going on for a couple of hundred years. UGA has the oldest public charter; UNC has the oldest campus and has had students for the longest. We both claim to be the first (and are both right, depending on what you think is the beginning of a university).

I just didn't want any 'dawgs to go confusing the general public and making them think the Tarheels are younger ;)

and, UNC is, of course, the best [usnews.com] ;)

UNC, class of 2000

Re:I'm sorry adagioforstringsl, but... (part 2) (2, Funny)

pjones (10800) | more than 12 years ago | (#4029200)

From your links:

Georgia says:

"The University was actually established in 1801 when a committee of the board of trustees selected a land site. John Milledge, later a governor of the state, purchased and gave to the board of trustees the chosen tract of 633 acres on the banks of the Oconee River in northeast Georgia.

Josiah Meigs was named president of the University and work was begun on the first building, originally called Franklin College in honor of Benjamin Franklin and now known as Old College. The University graduated its first class in 1804."

UNC says:

"Opened to students on January 15, 1795, The University of North Carolina received its first student, Hinton James of New Hanover County, on February 12. By March there were two professors and forty-one students present.

The second state university did not begin classes until 1801 when a few students from nearby academies assembled under a large tree at Athens, Georgia, for instruction. By then four classes had already been graduated at Chapel Hill and there were to be three more before the first diplomas were issued in Georgia."

Georgia posturing since 1785; UNC producing since 1795

Doctor Paul's autobiography? (2)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 12 years ago | (#4031093)

I betcha he'll name it I, Biblio.
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