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Some Spammer Has a Crush on You

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the i've-got-a-crush-on-you dept.

Spam 283

ewhac writes "Salon is running an article about how that cryptic email saying someone has a crush on you may not be what it seems. Portrayed as services to foster romance, some voice concern that some such sites -- two with falsified WHOIS records -- are preying on people's insecurities to build spam lists and directed relationship graphs (who knows who). One site in particular, SomeoneLikesYou, has the temerity to demand you subscribe to an affiliate marketing program or cough up $14.90 before it will hand over the email address of your alleged crush.

A friend of mine and I were bit by SomeoneLikesYou in the last week. The scam is elegant in its simplicity. The site teases you with an email claiming to know someone who likes you, then makes you guess who it might be by submitting their email address(es). Each of those addresses receives a teaser email just like yours. Rinse, repeat. I ignored the message -- obviously a fake; I couldn't possibly be anyone's crush :-) -- but my friend took the bait and fed it some demographic data and email addresses. Once she realized what was going on, she wrote to everyone apologizing for any spam they may have received. She also sent a nastygram to the site's operators.

It should be pointed out that there is no proof that SomeoneLikesYou is doing anything nefarious with the data they're collecting. However, their credibility is not strengthened by their faked WHOIS records and their meaningless doubletalk on privacy issues (the declaration, "We send precisely zero e-mail advertisements," says nothing about the behavior of their partners/affiliates.)"

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283 comments

another fp for mrgoat! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031766)

yay! Kirsten Dunst rules!

RASTERMAN replies! No future for Linux/BSD desktop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031771)


July 23, 2002

I just love all the people of this world who have opinions on things but never actually are willing to stick anything behind them.

Let me clarify some of the following: Interview and the wonders of Slashdot and the ability to look beyond the tips of their noses when reading anything on slashdot - most of the comments there are made before anyone has actually READ anything.

Anyway - for the few level headed enough to 1. actually have contributed ever to linux or any part of it and not just spouted out words but not had the guts to back them with code and effort, or 2. actually see more than their little world and are willing to actually understand "the enemy" so to speak, they might actually see where I'm coming from.

The desktop market share windows has isn't going away. It's entrenched. Everyone I speak to who devout isn't a linux head says "yeah - heard of linux - I know it's meant to be stable, but I can't use my apps on it". It's not a matter of if they will be happy with openoffice, or be happy with whatever equivalent there is - they want THAT PARTICULAR APP.

Also not to mention the ease of use windows has. You plug in a new usb device, or a new card or anything. It detects it - find the driver or asks you for the disk you got in the box, and bingo. On linux? HA! Good luck. Half the time I need to do endless reserach first to see if its supported - and even if it is, half the time I have to do some obscure hunting for code I need to compile and specially configure that more often than not only paertially supports it - and even then with moe bugs than you can poke a stick at. The average person doesn't want to do this - and rightly, shouldn't. I won't stop using linux. I still use it as my desktop. I know many others do. But linux isn't goin to beat microsoft. It isnt' going to take the majority share of the desktop markent. I never said it was dead. I said Linux has lost. It's not going to win. Just because you lose does not mean you re dead, but don't expect the masses of cheering fans. It's going to remain the minority holder on the desktop. In that respect I see it as a loss.

Also I haven't stopped working on stuff. I haven't stopped on E. I'm not bitter or have sour grapes. Just because someone asks me for facts and i give them without flowery words or soothing tones does not mean I'm bitter and am trying to extract my pound of flesh. I never really dodge the trusth or facts, and if people don't seem to be able to read something at face value - well that's their problem. Did I not say KDE and GNOME were doing a good job? Did I ever start Enlightenment with the aim to become an easy to use desktop for the masses? I never did. I never claimed such. Anyone who says so is putting words in my mouth. E was always a toy project. It is my toy. I get to push boundaires and explore ideas using it. It only ever made it open source for anyone elses desktop other than mine because people pestered me after seeing screenshots.

Also people just didn't get my point. I'm saying the future Isn't a desktop at all - the encumbent (windows) on the desktop will stay, but the future isn't a desktop computer at all - it isn't a nasty mess of a desktop with taskbar and a screen and a mouse and keyboard. I'm not the first to say this by any means - and I won't be the last. Devices (such as pda's and the likes) now have the grunt that desktops had years ago. They are what I see as the future. Devices you use for a limited set of things that fit in your pocket, have no wires and always work. Have a look at the i-mode and ketai phenomenon in Japan. Most people just want to do things - they don't care how - be it via windows or linux. Whichever way works. The techies like us care how - but what I'm saying is we are the minority. The mass market where linux can be on everyone's desk is not via the PC desktop - you want linux everywhere? Put it on their phones, in their cars, on their trains, on their watches. That's how you will get that.

I will continue to use Linux on my desktops because I like it. I will continue to develop for X because I like it. I will continue to use Linux on my laptop because I like it. I will do it because "I can" and because "I want to". But I will not go thinking that linux will take over the worlds desktop computers. There was a day years ago it might have had a fighting chance - if applications had started to be developed that people wanted, but that time has passed and all the apps are for the reigning OS and will stay that way mostly. The desktop isn't going to be a big thing for linux, but it has a fair go in other arenas.

So those of you who thought I'd given up - no way. I've just switched game plan. I never was a Linux visionary - never wanted to be, never asked to be - people just seem to have said I am. I am going to leave being a visionary and political activist to others. I say things how I see them. Take everything I say with a grain of salt - invariably it's me trying to make a point. I'm a realist and I'm into the practical of things. If I'm going to fight I want to make sure I have a damn good chance at winning.

awwwww damn (5, Funny)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031776)

I sent in my money and all she sent me was spam. And here I thought she was going to send me a nude pic and hours of hardcore action.

i wonder if you ever find out... (1)

buzban (227721) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031777)

I've seenthese, and have wondered if these sites ever really tell you where they got your address. I.e., I suspect that they start with a list like every other spam-oriented site or company, but if I enter my friends email, and she guesses correctly that I'm the one with the crush, does the site say so? Or does it let you keep dumping email addresses in there till you tire of it (and they have more addresses)...something tells me it's the latter. ;)

Of course ! (1)

doru (541245) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031796)

They notify you by flying pig courier !

Re:i wonder if you ever find out... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031837)

Don't think so. I had one of these, and couldn't find out who it was until I suspected they were just harvesting email addys.

Just for fun, I sent a "crush" to a different email account of mine, and it wouldn't let me "guess" the correct address.

Spammers!

Yep... (1)

netphilter (549954) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031981)

They do...at least Crushlink does. I got one and immediately dumped email address of co-workers who I knew were probably trying to repay me for a prank I had played. Sure enough...it appears we were meant for each other!

Oh No! (3, Funny)

thogard (43403) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031786)

I just checked my logs and it appears that my antispam software just deleted a message about someone who likes me without me getting a chance to read it. Maybe its time to go back to the old method of just hitting delete now that the carpal tunnel syndrome is almost gone on the finger I use on the delete key.

Re:Oh No! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031829)

Attention fellow ./ readers:
If you get one of these emails it is bogus.
Come on... you read slashdot, how could it be real?

Those things are spam + social engineering (5, Informative)

Montag2k (459573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031793)

I have an e-mail address that I have used to register for exactly one thing: AOL Instant messenger. I've never sent any other e-mail through this account, I've never published the address on the internet, or anywhere else for that matter. Yet apparently someone who has a crush on me has managed to get that e-mail address and report it to Crushlink! I don't even want to log on to the site to get onto their opt-out list because I don't trust them enough not to sell my address once they have verified that there is an actual person behind it.

Argh, I hate spam.

Re:Those things are spam + social engineering (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4032027)

Well its obvious then: AOL loves you!

AOL and Montag
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

on mobile phone sms messaging as well (1)

fredrik70 (161208) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031794)

Funnyv (well not really), have had pretty much the same message on my mobile phone here in the UK, my mates in sweden got them as well on the swedish network. Wonder if they're the same or if the spammers picked up the idea from those sms messages...

The SMS lover scam (2)

SomethingOrOther (521702) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031820)

Careful.... Replying to one of those messages is an 09*** number. Typically charging about £1 ( ~US$1.30) per minute!

Re:The SMS lover scam (4, Informative)

ranulf (182665) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031968)

Yeah, I've had about five similar message such as from "Flirt Love Box". "Tried to call you but you were out", "Tried to send an SMS", etc.. messages, all with 0909 premium rate numbers.

At the bottom, it adds "The call is charged as a long distance call - For UK the charge is 2.5 Pence/sec" which is £1.50 per minute. Even then, I don't think that's enough to cover them legally, as I beleive they have to state the cost as a per-minute rate.

Fortunately, I'm not stupid enough to believe that these messages are for me. No-one I know sends messages in bright yellow with red and blue headings.

Just remember how UK phone charges work:
01/02 - standard long distance geographic number. Basically cheap.
05 - I don't think this is used, except 0500 which is free
07 - mobile, going to be quite expensive
08 - information. Generally increasing in cost as number increases, except for 0845 charged as local
09 - premium rate. Cost determined by operator, without limit.
00 - international. Again expensive.

If you don't know what the number is, don't dial!

Just reward... (1)

Babbler (221945) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031795)

I'm just stunned that people actually fall for this stuff.

Re:Just reward... (2, Insightful)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031921)

How many virus hoaxes do you get in your e-mail box? Nothing suprises me anymore.
Face it, people are stupid, and the internet is the place where they all meet.

Re:Just reward... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031972)

I fell for it. Although, the message to me was written in swedish, and I didn't actually think that the company was sofisticated enough to realize that I'm swedish, neither did I think that they cared about the swedish market.

I don't really care about all the spam I get, I more or less enjoy giving the people at MSN more traffic to my hotmail-box. I figure that if I'm active enough on the internet with my hotmail-address, then all the emails to me alone would count as a DoS-attack.

By the way, my email address is... well, maby spam isn't that fun after all.... /Kolenkow

This is obviously a ploy. (4, Funny)

yeoua (86835) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031798)

This is obviously a plot... who the hell in their right mind would have a crush on me?!?!

Re:This is obviously a ploy. (5, Funny)

krog (25663) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032017)

these guys sent "someone has a crush on you!" messages to thousands of MIT students. talk about blowing your cover. :)

Troll Sex (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031800)

You know you want a trolls cock [plymouthtrolls.com]

Who has a message for you (1)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031805)

People who signed up for free memberships with classmates.com are now getting the message "Who has a message for you" They are then given the option of finding out who "has a message for them" by purchasing a premium membership. The things is why does everyone have a message all the sudden?

We did this in primary school (5, Funny)

stere0 (526823) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031807)

SOME GIRL: I know somebody who's got a crush on you
ME: Oh yeah? Who?
SOME GIRL: Will you pay me if I let you have a guess?
ME: I don't care, I'm rich, there you go. Is it SHE?
SOME GIRL: No. Nice try, though.

[later...]

SOME GIRL: Hey OTHER GIRL, I know somebody who likes you
SHE: Oh yeah? Who?
SOME GIRL: Will you pay me if I let you have a guess?
SHE: There you go. Is it stere0?
(note: I didn't have facial hair in primary school)
SOME GIRL: No.

I overheard them, and this is how SOME GIRL got rich by doing this to the whole school and how I got my first kiss a couple of weeks later. :-D

Re:We did this in primary school (1)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031856)

I overheard them, and this is how SOME GIRL got rich by doing this to the whole school and how I got my first kiss a couple of weeks later

She proobably owns this company now. You should reply you might find true love

Re:We did this in primary school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031960)

So, you're saying you found out that your gay first grade teacher who was previously a manequin had a crush on you and kissed you?

Thanks for coming out, but we don't need this sort of gay shit on Slashdot. Taco's manwife is scary enough. Away with ye.

I was the one! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4032043)

Hey, I was the girl you kissed!

Mum?? (1, Offtopic)

stere0 (526823) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032105)

Is that you???

It's FAKE?! (3, Funny)

joshua404 (590829) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031808)

I spend $15,000 on this engagement ring for nothing?!

Re:It's FAKE?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031836)


Dude
I spent $15,000 on a thicker, longer cock and got nothing

a question (1)

Husaria (262766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031809)

I had noticed my edu email recieves no spam, while my hotmail account recieves lots. I used an edu email, (i didnt care about this edu email account) for this purpose, and I used a hotmail account. Now, the crush company sent me a bullshit email and I responded to it from each account.
My hotmail inbox recieves 100 spam a day
My edu inbox has had no spam at all.

My question is, are spammers restricted to sending spam to certain edus? There is no known spam filter in place at that edu, so its a curosity.

Oh yes, if I provided false information to a ISP for their services, I would most certainly get shut down, so why wouldn't they. And the money you make from the spammers from the ISPs isn't worth the cost of keeping them, (angry users and bandwidth)

Re:a question (1)

conduit4 (589726) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031899)

I get spam in my edu account but not that much. I only used it for a couple resume posting sites and maybe a couple other things. Oh yeah and its up on a personal site. I'm sure I would get more if I used it more often. We have spam assasin installed but I havaent tweeked mine so I still get all the spam but it has ******************SPAM*************** in the title so I cant miss it.

Re:a question (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032083)

My mail address is pretty public, since I have my own site, and I get deluged by korean spam. I have no clue why. Maybe they try to get back at me for that NetBSD on the X-BOX [hackerheaven.org] hoax I pulled last April 1st. Who knows? At least I have spamassasin to rid me of these goofs. Oh, and spamassasin blocks the someonelikesyou mails here. Just checking... yep, I got a few too. Oh well...

Re:a question (1)

corian (34925) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031901)

My question is, are spammers restricted to sending spam to certain edus?

Nah, they just don't expect students to have any money to take up their offers. Either that, or they use some sort of simple "ends in .com" filter on the harvested addresses to rule out fake ones.

Re:a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031908)

not that I know of, I work at a medical school and many users get spammed relentlessly there. I hardly get any spam in my email box after four years or so here (maybe one or two messages a month), but some people get 30 per day. A few safe email / Internet practices will keep your account safe (like never put your main email address in a web form you don't 100% trust, don't use that email address to post to usenet or other Internet forums, don't use it on slashdot, never reply to spam if you do get any, etc). Spammers can't send you spam if they don't know what your address is.

Re:a question (2, Interesting)

3rd_Floo (443611) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032110)

No, at my edu we still get alot of spam every day. The school has some spam-filter installed, but its not very good. Although 90% of the spam on that account is from the edu itself. Why they allow all prof's and facuilty to send mail to everyone@wishiwasabetter.edu i'll never know... there own fault though, they put us on an IMAP server with no hard mailbox limit.... heheh...

Here's where you get in to trouble. . . (1)

g()()ber (593052) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031811)

Your significant other puts your email address in. You get an email saying "somone likes you". You send it to the trash. Your significant other gets mad at you for not liking them back.

Fair use, sort of (rant) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031815)

I wonder if it's fair to link to the print version of the article. For everything we know Salon is not in good financial shape anyway, using the nice no-ads print version service they provide to circumvent the ads seems rather questionable to me. Using the /. effect for something good (funding Salon) wouldn't be so bad, now wouldn't it?

While I'm at, how about those people who are sitting at the end of a cable modem and think they need ad-blockers?

Just my .02 CHF.

in Germany they do this on mobile phones (5, Interesting)

mario (94577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031817)

funny, some weeks ago I received a SMS on my mobile with the same content, telling me: Someone who is too shy has a crush on you.
To find out dial: 0190-whatever

0190 is in Germany the dialing prefix for Premium rate-services (from 1 to 10 euros/minute)

I didn't call but looked in the newsgroups if someone has: works exactly the same way you described:
- please give us some mobile numbers from persons you guess that might be it..

Re:in Germany they do this on mobile phones (-1, Offtopic)

hettb (569863) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031851)

And I always thought 0190 was a secret Nazi code!

Re:in Germany they do this on mobile phones (1)

Openadvocate (573093) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031905)

I got one of those to, seems like they have been "popular" in most of the EU right now.
Only I should call a number somewhere in Saint Helena(the place to be if you want to phonescam someone).

Sadly enough, I knew from the message that it had to be a fake. :)

Re:in Germany they do this on mobile phones (1)

WalterSobchak (193686) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031978)

Check tarif-express [tarif-express.de] for an interesting story about German 0190 crush scams.

For the number 0190 / 824 308, I found out via RefTP [reg-tp.de] (sorta like the German FCC) the reseller is QSC, and upon request they immediately provided me with the information, that a "Triple A Communication GmbH" in Düsseldorf operates the number.

Should you be interested in more details, feel free to contact me.

Alex

Someone's operating the scam in Holland too (4, Funny)

hrm (26016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032005)

A couple of weeks ago I received a SMS message that started with "Iemand vindt je leuk, en heeft ons jouw nummer achtergelaten..." ("Someone likes you and has left your number with us", original Dutch maintained for Google searches).

Oh, speaking of googling, there was a hilarious spelling mistake at the end "Wil je weten wie je geheime *aanbieder* is?" ("Do you want to know who your secret admirer is", except they put an 'e' in "aanbidder" where a 'd' should be, "aanbieder" means "provider")

I couldn't find a reference on the internet to this operation, so I figured it might be legit. I called to the number they gave: 09062001372 (couple dozen eurocents a minute). They pulled the same routine as described above. I had to enter my own phone number (as if they didn't have it) then take a guess as to who left my number in the first place (I gave a bogus number). Then I was promised they'd SMS the number of my secret provider, but of course they never did.

I suppose this scam pays off quite well. I'm a pretty suspicious person as a rule, but in this case, especially after I couldn't find any information about it on the internet, I just had to check it out. They got about 3 minutes worth of high phone rates out of me.

Sweden is targetted as well (1)

Flu (16236) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032036)

Hopefully, not so many people are trapped by the spammer anymore, since it was written about in the largest newspapers in sweden.

Actually, in Sweden, it could be fraud to fool anyone to call a premium-rate service witouth notifying the caller (callee?) about the cost. Unfortunately, the swedish allmänna reklamationsnämnden (Better Business Bureau) don't accept claims on less than 300 SEK (~30).

/FLu

RASTERMAN speaks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031822)

No future for LINUX/*BSD DESKTOP. Microsoft has won. Windows has CRUSHED you down. MS has slayed your dreams. You fought back hard but you lost it.

Here's Rasterman's message:

July 23, 2002

I just love all the people of this world who have opinions on things but never actually are willing to stick anything behind them.

Let me clarify some of the following: Interview and the wonders of Slashdot and the ability to look beyond the tips of their noses when reading anything on slashdot - most of the comments there are made before anyone has actually READ anything.

Anyway - for the few level headed enough to 1. actually have contributed ever to linux or any part of it and not just spouted out words but not had the guts to back them with code and effort, or 2. actually see more than their little world and are willing to actually understand "the enemy" so to speak, they might actually see where I'm coming from.

The desktop market share windows has isn't going away. It's entrenched. Everyone I speak to who devout isn't a linux head says "yeah - heard of linux - I know it's meant to be stable, but I can't use my apps on it". It's not a matter of if they will be happy with openoffice, or be happy with whatever equivalent there is - they want THAT PARTICULAR APP.

Also not to mention the ease of use windows has. You plug in a new usb device, or a new card or anything. It detects it - find the driver or asks you for the disk you got in the box, and bingo. On linux? HA! Good luck. Half the time I need to do endless reserach first to see if its supported - and even if it is, half the time I have to do some obscure hunting for code I need to compile and specially configure that more often than not only paertially supports it - and even then with moe bugs than you can poke a stick at. The average person doesn't want to do this - and rightly, shouldn't. I won't stop using linux. I still use it as my desktop. I know many others do. But linux isn't goin to beat microsoft. It isnt' going to take the majority share of the desktop markent. I never said it was dead. I said Linux has lost. It's not going to win. Just because you lose does not mean you re dead, but don't expect the masses of cheering fans. It's going to remain the minority holder on the desktop. In that respect I see it as a loss.

Also I haven't stopped working on stuff. I haven't stopped on E. I'm not bitter or have sour grapes. Just because someone asks me for facts and i give them without flowery words or soothing tones does not mean I'm bitter and am trying to extract my pound of flesh. I never really dodge the trusth or facts, and if people don't seem to be able to read something at face value - well that's their problem. Did I not say KDE and GNOME were doing a good job? Did I ever start Enlightenment with the aim to become an easy to use desktop for the masses? I never did. I never claimed such. Anyone who says so is putting words in my mouth. E was always a toy project. It is my toy. I get to push boundaires and explore ideas using it. It only ever made it open source for anyone elses desktop other than mine because people pestered me after seeing screenshots.

Also people just didn't get my point. I'm saying the future Isn't a desktop at all - the encumbent (windows) on the desktop will stay, but the future isn't a desktop computer at all - it isn't a nasty mess of a desktop with taskbar and a screen and a mouse and keyboard. I'm not the first to say this by any means - and I won't be the last. Devices (such as pda's and the likes) now have the grunt that desktops had years ago. They are what I see as the future. Devices you use for a limited set of things that fit in your pocket, have no wires and always work. Have a look at the i-mode and ketai phenomenon in Japan. Most people just want to do things - they don't care how - be it via windows or linux. Whichever way works. The techies like us care how - but what I'm saying is we are the minority. The mass market where linux can be on everyone's desk is not via the PC desktop - you want linux everywhere? Put it on their phones, in their cars, on their trains, on their watches. That's how you will get that.

I will continue to use Linux on my desktops because I like it. I will continue to develop for X because I like it. I will continue to use Linux on my laptop because I like it. I will do it because "I can" and because "I want to". But I will not go thinking that linux will take over the worlds desktop computers. There was a day years ago it might have had a fighting chance - if applications had started to be developed that people wanted, but that time has passed and all the apps are for the reigning OS and will stay that way mostly. The desktop isn't going to be a big thing for linux, but it has a fair go in other arenas.

So those of you who thought I'd given up - no way. I've just switched game plan. I never was a Linux visionary - never wanted to be, never asked to be - people just seem to have said I am. I am going to leave being a visionary and political activist to others. I say things how I see them. Take everything I say with a grain of salt - invariably it's me trying to make a point. I'm a realist and I'm into the practical of things. If I'm going to fight I want to make sure I have a damn good chance at winning.

Spammers like it doggy style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031824)

"My dog has gotten 'someone has a crush on you' e-mail messages -- she's a cute dog, but no one has a crush on her," says Karen Demars, co-founder of eCrush. "My belief is that they are sending 'someone has a crush on you' messages to people who have not been legitimately crushed."

Yes, but on the Internet
*) No one knows you're a dog (unless dogs can reply?)
*) On the Internet, there are people who have crushes on dogs.

One time e-mail addresses (3, Informative)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031826)

If some lame service requires you to supply them with an e-mail address, use a one-time address.
Read is once for your password. If you start receiving spam you know the originator and can iglore that address.

Spammotel provides in such a service. Also some providers allow you to use alias@your_name.your_isp.com, making it simple to track the origin of spam and making it easyer to filter (loveletter.com@my_name.my_isp.com)

Hotmail serves the purpose of one-time accounts very well. How hard is it to forget about a hotmail account anyway?

Re:One time e-mail addresses (5, Informative)

DeadSea (69598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031909)

You can't do that for this service. Your *friends* give them your email address. I'd like to find out which of my "friends" gave my personal email address to crushlink.com (a similar service) and beat them. However it looks like the only way I can find out is by entering the email addresses of all my friends so they all get spammed.

Well.... (2)

tomblackwell (6196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031931)

You should be giving unique email addresses to your friends...

Get a domain, with catch-all email. If you mail to joe, send it with a return address of joe@myemaildomain.com. If you fill out a web form at sears, mark your address as sears@myemaildomain.com. My personal favourite is to mark the email address on my WHOIS form as dontspam@myemaildomain.com. When I go after a spammer, I can refer to that email address, and say that it only exists on my WHOIS form, and that they must be scooping emails from the WHOIS database. Poetic justice.

Re:One time e-mail addresses (1)

Mr Guy (547690) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032134)

Apparently you need smaller words.

Your *friends* don't have to give them the address. They are *lying* about this. You *give* them the address of your *friends* then they bug them if you fall for it, and *maybe* one of your friends fell for it. Most *likely* your *friend* was a spambot that *sold* them your *email* because they discovered you interchange *apostrophes* and *quotation marks* when *emphasizing* *unnecessarily*.

Re:One time e-mail addresses (2)

forgoil (104808) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031993)

Give them a working .gov address, might not do anything good in the scheme of things, but maybe, just maybe, they will get tons of spam and start to reconsider their stand on letting spam be legal.

And, american spammers, I don't give a shit about your laws on spam when you send me an email to my _swedish_ address. Come on people, there is something wrong here...

Re:One time e-mail addresses (2)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032025)

All those lines in spam claiming to be compliant with some US law are bogus, even in the US. Those laws were proposed, but never passed. (AFAIK)

Re:One time e-mail addresses (4, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032046)

I've tried Spamgourmet [spamgourmet.org] . Excellent free service where you can do this:

1. Register a username like "foo".
2. Register at the MegaSpam forum.
3. Tell them your e-mail address is megaspam.2.foo@spamgourmet.com.
4. You will be forwarded the next 2 mails from the MegaSpam forum, probably containing password details as such things.
5. Spamgourmet will then eat all mails from the MegaSpam forum.

They also allow you to list trusted senders, which don't advance the message count for your temporary address, reply address masking, and password prefixes so others can't make up new addresses with your username.

Pretty nice, especially as it's free and no ads or other catches. They have around 14,000 accounts as of today and eats about 12,000 spams/day. :-)

And there's also despammed.org where any mails to that address will be filtered from spam before it's sent to your primary address or the web service. Everything on that site is free (and ad free) as well.

Re:One time e-mail addresses (2)

thogard (43403) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032119)

14,000 accounts and only 12,000 spams a day? I've got 46 users in my passwd file and about 10 real users and my filters have killed 4660 spams since the start of the month.

Of course I've been using the same userid online since 95 and its in every spamer database in the world but I've also have a few thousand fake address that are out there just to slow down the spamers.

all your email we own.... (1)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031827)

*hand over 14.95 or they will sell your email...* Hmmm smells like extortion to me folks... Feel free to ship all these emails to ftc.gov and let them deal with these jokers... In the meantime, try spamcop.net and see if they can munge the headers to find out the true source of these jokers..

The best way to get confidential information (1)

Lorens (597774) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031830)

... is not to search public fora for it, but to trick people into giving it.

This scam is one thing. Mitnick telephoning people to tell them there's a problem with their server is another example. E-mail hoaxes (tell all your friends and everyone you care about!!!) is yet another example. It's called social engineering, and isn't new, but new applications are found every day. Education is the only answer.

The laws prove true once again... (2)

decarelbitter (559973) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031831)

First law on spamming: Spammers Lie. Which is, in this case, once again true because there is no one at all who has a crush on you. Just some dark-side marketeer who has a crush on your mailaddress so they can start shipping spam. Bah.

(In case you're wondering, the other laws on spammers:
2 - Recursive, If spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule 1.
3 - Spammers are stupid.
And ofcourse, the uberrule (rule 0): Spammers are thieves)

You gotta be a sucker (2, Insightful)

iamwhatiseem (554133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031834)

I'm sorry, but anyone who falls for this is either young and stupid, or just a plain moron.
How many, "I love you's", "look at my pics", etc. does it take before the suckers of the world wake up??

Re:You gotta be a sucker (1)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031875)

And those suckers who fall for it, also supply them with more e-mail addresses. Possibly yours too!

So what do we do about it?
1) Don't have suckers as friends.
2) Educate all your friends and relatives about free enterprise ^H^H^H^H^H^H spammers.

Nothing immoral about this at all (5, Funny)

Brento (26177) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031838)

There really is someone who likes you. In fact, here's the original personal ad involved:

"Mass email marketer ISO young, wealthy singles with low self-esteem and money to burn. Low IQ is a plus, gullibility even better. Turn-ons: making telephone calls at dinnertime, taking long walks on the beach with your money."

Re:Nothing immoral about this at all (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031844)

well.. I disagree with you.

July 23, 2002

I just love all the people of this world who have opinions on things but never actually are willing to stick anything behind them.

Let me clarify some of the following: Interview and the wonders of Slashdot and the ability to look beyond the tips of their noses when reading anything on slashdot - most of the comments there are made before anyone has actually READ anything.

Anyway - for the few level headed enough to 1. actually have contributed ever to linux or any part of it and not just spouted out words but not had the guts to back them with code and effort, or 2. actually see more than their little world and are willing to actually understand "the enemy" so to speak, they might actually see where I'm coming from.

The desktop market share windows has isn't going away. It's entrenched. Everyone I speak to who devout isn't a linux head says "yeah - heard of linux - I know it's meant to be stable, but I can't use my apps on it". It's not a matter of if they will be happy with openoffice, or be happy with whatever equivalent there is - they want THAT PARTICULAR APP.

Also not to mention the ease of use windows has. You plug in a new usb device, or a new card or anything. It detects it - find the driver or asks you for the disk you got in the box, and bingo. On linux? HA! Good luck. Half the time I need to do endless reserach first to see if its supported - and even if it is, half the time I have to do some obscure hunting for code I need to compile and specially configure that more often than not only paertially supports it - and even then with moe bugs than you can poke a stick at. The average person doesn't want to do this - and rightly, shouldn't. I won't stop using linux. I still use it as my desktop. I know many others do. But linux isn't goin to beat microsoft. It isnt' going to take the majority share of the desktop markent. I never said it was dead. I said Linux has lost. It's not going to win. Just because you lose does not mean you re dead, but don't expect the masses of cheering fans. It's going to remain the minority holder on the desktop. In that respect I see it as a loss.

Also I haven't stopped working on stuff. I haven't stopped on E. I'm not bitter or have sour grapes. Just because someone asks me for facts and i give them without flowery words or soothing tones does not mean I'm bitter and am trying to extract my pound of flesh. I never really dodge the trusth or facts, and if people don't seem to be able to read something at face value - well that's their problem. Did I not say KDE and GNOME were doing a good job? Did I ever start Enlightenment with the aim to become an easy to use desktop for the masses? I never did. I never claimed such. Anyone who says so is putting words in my mouth. E was always a toy project. It is my toy. I get to push boundaires and explore ideas using it. It only ever made it open source for anyone elses desktop other than mine because people pestered me after seeing screenshots.

Also people just didn't get my point. I'm saying the future Isn't a desktop at all - the encumbent (windows) on the desktop will stay, but the future isn't a desktop computer at all - it isn't a nasty mess of a desktop with taskbar and a screen and a mouse and keyboard. I'm not the first to say this by any means - and I won't be the last. Devices (such as pda's and the likes) now have the grunt that desktops had years ago. They are what I see as the future. Devices you use for a limited set of things that fit in your pocket, have no wires and always work. Have a look at the i-mode and ketai phenomenon in Japan. Most people just want to do things - they don't care how - be it via windows or linux. Whichever way works. The techies like us care how - but what I'm saying is we are the minority. The mass market where linux can be on everyone's desk is not via the PC desktop - you want linux everywhere? Put it on their phones, in their cars, on their trains, on their watches. That's how you will get that.

I will continue to use Linux on my desktops because I like it. I will continue to develop for X because I like it. I will continue to use Linux on my laptop because I like it. I will do it because "I can" and because "I want to". But I will not go thinking that linux will take over the worlds desktop computers. There was a day years ago it might have had a fighting chance - if applications had started to be developed that people wanted, but that time has passed and all the apps are for the reigning OS and will stay that way mostly. The desktop isn't going to be a big thing for linux, but it has a fair go in other arenas.

So those of you who thought I'd given up - no way. I've just switched game plan. I never was a Linux visionary - never wanted to be, never asked to be - people just seem to have said I am. I am going to leave being a visionary and political activist to others. I say things how I see them. Take everything I say with a grain of salt - invariably it's me trying to make a point. I'm a realist and I'm into the practical of things. If I'm going to fight I want to make sure I have a damn good chance at winning.

This is great (2, Interesting)

secondsun (195377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031841)

As much as we hate spam, this one is really good. Get people to give you 20 or so emails from their address list voluntarily. Then spam those 20 to get 20 more. the those 400 to get 20 more then etc etc...

Despite the fact people are getting unsolicited email from a company that they have had no business dealings with (and the fact that that is illegal...) this does seem to be an unique business tactic. Unique but sleazy and underhanded as well.

I knew there was a reason... (1)

Penguinoflight (517245) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031842)

that spam and scam are only one letter different...
The stupidity some people must have to belive it though.

Re:I knew there was a reason... (1)

jellybear (96058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031884)

Scam scam scam scam!
Scam scam scam scam!
SCAM! Wonderful scam!

Someone ought to (1)

swaic (541592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031847)

Sign up as Arafat and put Bush's email as the crush. Who knows, this just may be what this whole conflict needs. They can even broker some peace deal under the table. :)

Business Model? (2)

Observer (91365) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031848)

Seems a pretty inefficient way to build a spam list. Sounds more like a variation of the classic chain letter, but fishing directly for suckers willing to cough up the $14.95.

Karma: NaN (mostly due to meddling Slashcode programmers)

They're sleazy alright... (2, Interesting)

netsharc (195805) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031849)

And they have no morals either. I once got an email saying I received an e-card sent from someone using this service [cardwish.com] . I went there and they claim to donate a cent to charities everytime someone sends a card through them. - should've realized it was bullshit during these dot.bust days. They asked for my name and email address to retrieve the card, so I typed them in and clicked "Get my Card", to only receive an error page in return. Only then that I realized that I just gave my information to some fucking spammers!

Now I sometimes get junk from them, or from > their other alias [greetingwishes.com] in my hotmail account, which - interestingly - gets very little spam otherwise. Maybe because it 10+ chars long. Some of them were from legitimate companies too - some college in the UK even got duped into using their service to advertise itself.

Re:They're sleazy alright... (1)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031886)

THey already had your e mail and if it said they had a card but it was not addressed by name, live and learn.

Trust. (1)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031850)

that cryptic email saying someone has a crush on you may not be what it seems.

That's unfortunate. After all, if you can't trust an anonymous email liberally dosed with spelling errors and exclamation points, who can you trust?

--saint

Crush scam is same as groupLotto scam (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031853)

its the same scam people offer something to get people in the door get their email and sell the address to spammers..

Vote for Death Sentences to Spammers today! Put that political ill gotten lobby moeny to use with your congressman demand Death Penatly for Spammers!

She loves me, she loves me not (1)

non (130182) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031857)

What do you mean I have to pay $14.90 for a stupid daisy?

A spammer using fraudulent advertising practices?! (2)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031860)

I'm shocked! Totally shocked! A spammer who is a dishonest crook? Who could have anticipated such a thing?!

Funnycard (3, Informative)

Spackler (223562) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031866)

Funnycard is also just an email harvester! It has the subject:

Message from person_you_know via the FunnyCard Network.

It comes with a forged header, that says it's sent from the person_you_know (of course it was my sister). Clicking on the link then requires you to put in 4 (fake of course) email addresses to see the card. As soon as you submit it, it sends the same email to all 4 addresses with a forged return address of YOU (you get back the send errors that the fake users you sent to, don't exist). Displays some lame joke (that the sender never saw), and says goodbye.

My 18th Birthday (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031870)

Re:My 18th Birthday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031911)

These would be illegal just 10 minutes ago, this is has far as anyone can go! But it's not has far as anyone can go! Someone has can go 9 minutes and 59 seconds farther! Or they has can go farther in the other direction... "See my last living pictures!I would has be dead just 30 seconds later!"

Obviously fake (2)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031871)

I've had a few of these emails recently. The first time one arrived, I was curious. Was it real or a fake ? The email asked me to dial a certain number to find out who it was who 'had a crush on me'.

It was then it dawned on me that there was no identification code in the message ! If I dialed this number, how would the service know who I was ? How would it identify me, so that I could listen to my personal message ?

After that realisation, I dumped the message straight in trash, as I have done with the numerous follow ups.

This is not exactly new (1)

Disevidence (576586) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031872)

This has been out for a while. I recall getting a few emails to my hotmail account about hmm 1 and a half years ago. When you check the website, it says you had to pay to find out who.

Not new, and not a big deal. If someone really liked you, they could actually tell you, though this is slashdot.

Spam is not worth your time to be read.

I just felt really stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031878)

...while adding the sentence "know someone who has a crush on you" to my mailfilter.

Just won't happen.

Grats to ewhac! (2)

Kredal (566494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031881)

And thanks, too, for linking directly to the "printable" form of the article. One page is better than 3 or 4, and no advertising!

Very cool. (:

Deduce the rate at which suckers are born (5, Interesting)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031892)

My numbers come from here. [12.108.175.91]

$100 gets 10 million addresses. It costs $3,000 to send these 10 million messages. Let's assume a capital outlay of $3,100 per week, which seems reasonable.

A "positive response rate" of 0.1% to 1% is expected. Say 0.1%, since this scam is especially egregious, that's 10,000 responses per week, is 10,000 suckers per 60 * 24 * 7 = 10,080 minutes.

That means a sucker is born every minute (every 59.52 seconds, actually), which we already knew.

similar spam I received recently (1)

opk (149665) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031904)

A few weeks ago, I got one of these e-mails. The wording of the e-mail made it blatantly obvious that it was spam. They didn't even seem to have a web site. They just told me to phone an 09 number (which, no doubt would have cost a few pounds) to find out the identity of the admirer. It was a UK phone number which makes a change - much of the spam I get seems be in Korean or something.

The same has happened from other sources... (2, Interesting)

altgrr (593057) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031917)

Yesterday, I received five e-mails from "inlove@lovebox.com" - a spam campaign apparently going since May. The Love Box Company [lovebox.com] is less than impressed. The text of the e-mail is along the lines of "Someone you know has asked us to send you this e-mail. They think you are: sweet, attractive, charming, exciting. To find out who this person is, call this number: 090xxxxxxxx. (calls charged at 2.5p/sec)

However, I have managed to trace this guy to a limited company, and trace the premium rate number that he asks you to dial. Hopefully, the premium rate number will be shut down, his company can be had for false advertising, and his ISP's account will also be shut down.

SlashSnot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031922)

who cares about some snottin' spammer, he/she can go fuck themself with their mamma's dildo right in their asshole...

HA! They can't fool me (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031930)

HA! They can't fool me. It rather obvious that no one has ever had a crush on me ever. Shows them!!

If they sent me an e-mail "Someone doesn't hate you," I might fall for that, but I doubt it.

saw this and figured that (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031936)

I got one and was dumb enough to put in a few emails and then realized it had to be a system where they just then collect those addresses and spam them.
I thought it was both ultra-sleazy, and also a bit clever.

My own tests show they are spammers (1)

dsh (12747) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031940)

I got an email from someonelikesyou.com some time ago. Since I own my own domain, I made up a number of ficticious email addresses. Suprise, suprise! Those email addresses shortly started receiving a lot of spam, as well as continued "some one likes you" messages even after I followed their procedures for removing the addresses.

This is old idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031943)

I'm 21 years old and I remember either junior or senior year in high school getting an email almost exactly like this. directed me to www.crushlink.com This one though it would give you HINTS as to who the crush was, but the catch was you had to put in email address of "could-be" crushes. So if anybody out there has a first name begining with A and ending with A and a last name with LESS than 8 letters, uh, IM YOUR CRUSH.

Someonelikesyou/crushlink (1)

AussiePenguin (83326) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031957)

I was getting some spam from crushlink and it said a crush had entered my email address and I had to list all my crushes to see if it was one of them. Being the cynical one that I am, there was no way I was going to even verify my own email address, let alone give them more without verifying crushlink first! Well found it's in the same /24 as someonelikes you which I later got email from and it's owned by a 'direct' marketing company Jumpstart Technologies http://www.jtllc.com/. (Yep just as the artile says)

Only on Slashnerd (2, Insightful)

snatchitup (466222) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031965)

Leave it to nerds to be the only ones falling for the "Somebody has a crush on you gag." Yeah right, as if anybody thinks they need to secretly admire your bolonga tits, when they know all they have to do is walk up and say, "If you eat me, you can treat me to dinner."

sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4031969)

Oh CowboyNeal, why haven't I heard back from you? ...damn insensitive clod...

I've always thought so... (2)

RainbowSix (105550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031982)

If you think about it, the is a great business model (in some eyes). They send out emails to people who have crushes and it sends them to a website where they have to sign up for things to learn who it is. Since crushes are secret and be for jokes even, they can randonly send it to arbitrary people to get them to sign up for things even if there is no real crush because nobody knows there is no person on the other end. Bam, spam but with a seemingly legit premise. I get emails all the time but I'm a nerd so I know it isn't legit :)

Does this mean... (5, Funny)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031986)

Noone really has a crush on the support alias for my company? I don't know how I'm going to break the news to it.

Same as MCI (1)

fdiskne1 (219834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031988)

This is a similar marketing campaign as MCI had several years ago called "Friends and Family". You would give them the phone number of someone you call frequently and if they change their phone service to MCI, you get a better rate on phone calls to them. It's just a massive pyramid scheme.

99.9% confidence (2)

tuxedo-steve (33545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4031994)

I received an email along these lines from sendacrush.com [sendacrush.com] only a couple of weeks ago, on one of my spam-only hotmail accounts that I've never given out to a human being.

I sent a complaint to an address I found on the site, but quite predictably got no response. The sending of unsolicited email is illegal; all we have to do is prove they've been doing this beyond reasonable doubt. I think a class-action full of slashdotters who quite evidently nobody has a crush on will more than fulfil that requirement. Who's up for it? :)

I'm too smart to fall for this (2, Funny)

gila_monster (544999) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032003)

because Miss Cleo told me not to answer these things. She's saved me a lot of money, let me tell you!

temerity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4032018)

"temerity," who the fuck uses the word temerity? It doesn't even fit. Temerity, geez us, take the thesaurus off your desktop now.

*Grimace* (1)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032022)

This sounds like something my former employer would pull -- are you listening T3kno? -- and there is only one way he could pull this off: some technical person enabling him.

It's sad when one considers that technically astute people are directly responsible for enabling hairbrained and offensive scams/schemes like this one. It could be one of "us"!

Why do we do it? Money overpowering ethics? The challenge? Loyalty to employers? Or, plain cynicism?

nefarious (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4032048)

"nefarious!!!" What is your trip with the thesaurus? Do you actually use that word in conversation? What a maroon.

who knows who (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4032054)

Anybody know a secret code to defeat the Grammar Teacher at the end of level 5? Type on M, O, H, W, in the opposite order. You'll pass a fifth grade grammar test and you won't sound like an ignorant slack jawed Tennessee wife beater.

But hell, I never done aks yew if yew was from Tennessee, so maybe you do know who is who.

Wait a minute... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4032084)

Now that you mention it, she did have the same address as that penis-enlargement company...

Some addresses to feed into their system (2, Interesting)

rongage (237813) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032092)

Well, if it's addresses they want, why not give them some addresses to play with...

  • uce@ftc.gov
  • billg@microsoft.com
  • hostmaster@verio.net - their hosting provider
  • root@someoneyouknow.com
  • nccs-sf@fbi.gov

This could be "educational"...

Huh? There's Never any News in August (1)

dilute (74234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4032095)

This is pathetic.

Go to the beach, folks, 'cause there ain't gonna be any real news till after Labor Day.
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