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Consumer Friendly (or Disney Hostile) DVD Players?

Cliff posted about 12 years ago | from the we've-seen-that-FBI-warning-enough-times-to-have-it-memorized dept.

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solli asks: "After 13 years of relatively faithful service my Mitsubishi(!) VCR has finally kicked the bucket, and I am now thinking of moving on to DVDs. One of the only things preventing me from buying a DVD is the fact that some media companies like to make you watch FBI warnings, trailers, and ads before allowing you to view the actual movie (like Disney's Tarzan). Of course, there is such a large demand for region free players and other specialized needs that niche markets have developed to fill that demand. However, I have seen nothing about players that give you the freedom to navigate through the disk the way you want to, instead of how the content producer wants you to. What DVD players exist that let the viewer take full advantage of the nonlinear properties of the DVD media? Can any of the available players ignore the directives embedded on-disk to disable certain controls at particular times?"

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20secs with no post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036809)

i guess i get this one

Re:20secs with no post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036953)

5.
On the way to work, windows rolled up, I enjoy the fresh stink of a fried egg and beer and peanut butter on toast blast of methane from my aging asshole. You'd enjoy it too if you were me and that is one of the mysteries of life. The fact that the same fart coming from my intestines in a closed up cab of a 1989 Chevy truck would make you throw up your breakfast as it made me greet the day with pleasure. THAT, motherfucker, is as profound as the invention of the wheel.

Apex AD600 (4, Informative)

Dystopium (255143) | about 12 years ago | (#4036810)

You can always try picking up one of the old APex AD 600 Players. Macrovision disabled, Region free.

Re:Apex AD600 (5, Informative)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | about 12 years ago | (#4036838)

Actually, a lot of the AD1500's from WalMart are hackable. You need to check the serial number (you can find stuff on the net about it.)

I got an AD1500 in January and it was software moddable (get the wrong serial number on it, and it's a hardware mod unfortunately). Burn the rom to a CD, stick it in the player, it whirrs, flashes the rom, ejects the disk. Bingo. Region free, no Macro etc... Google is your friend.

Best part about Apex? Very cheap, and yet one of the few DVD players on the market that can play PAL DVD's on an NTSC TV. I know, I've done it.

Re:Apex AD600 (3, Informative)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | about 12 years ago | (#4036857)

Neglected to add that you can access the content on the disk how you want. Just punch in the number of the section you want to get to. Great way of finding easter eggs (EG: From Hell, to reach the hidden 40 minute easter egg, yes, 40 minutes, you punch in 21).

Re:Apex AD600 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036856)

but then you have to own an Apex

Re:Apex AD600 (1)

Dystopium (255143) | about 12 years ago | (#4036930)

One downside to this I forgot to mention is it has the singles most un-user friendly remote.

Re:Apex AD600 (2)

13Echo (209846) | about 12 years ago | (#4036952)

Yes. And it is the ugliest darn thing in the world. It gets the job done though. :)

Re:Apex AD600 (5, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | about 12 years ago | (#4036945)

I have an Apex AD660, that was "upgradable" with a simple ISO CDR image. I can't complain about the player. It has been running great for over 2 years now. I have firends that have had the AD600A models even longer, and all are running without problems. Wal-Mart stores have the players for about $70 or so for the cheapest models. You really can't beat them. They are truely the best bang-for-buck in a DVD player. They are also the most hackable.

Check out Nerd-Out [nerd-out.com] for all of the info that you could ever want on the Apex and similar players.

I am not sure that there is a DVD player in existance that does what you wnat it to do, but the Apex players are the closest things possible.

WooHoo - A first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036813)

Yay!

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036814)

F-fucking-P

flipbook (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036817)

god i remember the good ol days of flipbooks.....all you had to do was open to the desired page, and start the movie from there.......no ads, no feds, no nothin......course, there was no sound either, but the movies didn't really need it then anyways.

Anything that is 'made in china' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036878)

they hate Disney.

Re:flipbook (1)

jbayes (15334) | about 12 years ago | (#4036894)

What do you mean no sound? All the flipbooks I ever watched made that delightful "pffffft" sound as the pages slid from your finger.

I only wish Ep. 3 had been made as a flipbook...then we wouldn't have had to put up with that annoying "Yippee!!!"

hmmm (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036818)

I have heard people bitch about this all the time but the dvd player on my pc never makes me watch trailers and i just hit the skip ahead 5 seconds thingy for the fbi warning...

Use a software player (3, Interesting)

Ryu2 (89645) | about 12 years ago | (#4036820)

Some software players, particularly non-commerical ones like IFOEDIT, or some of the open-source players that have appeared, let you toggle ignoring the bits that prohibit user operations (like FF/skip) at places like the FBI warning. Yeah, it's a slight hassle having to hook your PC up to a TV, but I don't know of any standalone units that have this feature.

Re:Use a software player (5, Funny)

coupland (160334) | about 12 years ago | (#4036873)

While I realize this is probably illegal, it drives me up the wall to have to view these things. My solution was to buy a DVD burner and use IFOEDIT to rip my favourite DVDs (which I paid for), remove all annoying crap, and then re-burn them. Most players are fine with the modified disks and it lets me view in peace without those annoying warnings that say "dude, don't even think of doing what you just described..."

Re:Use a software player (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036926)

On what deranged planet should that be illegal? I have trouble believing that a pedestrian combination of consumer electronics gets people thrown in jail these days.

Re:Use a software player (2)

coupland (160334) | about 12 years ago | (#4036965)

While I wish I could agree with you, I think you live on the planet "Comencence", not "Earth". The DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copyright protection to duplicate works, even for personal use. Even though I burn copies of my own DVD's I suspect I'm still breaking the law. I wish it weren't so, but until they make me Dictator for Life I suppose I can only shrug and wonder...

Re:Use a software player (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4037003)

What exactly are you gaining? It can't be time.

Whatever you do... (-1, Flamebait)

Rachel Ellis (598082) | about 12 years ago | (#4036821)

... buy Japanese.

Their cars and consumer electronics are far superior to anything that Americans or Europeans come up with. It's high-time they got our respect; let's forget December 7th, as we have September 11th to dwell on now.

Re:Whatever you do... (1)

Mike Markley (9536) | about 12 years ago | (#4036865)

Right, 'cause people today have a real hard time getting over Pearl Harbor...

Let's face it, this is a generation that barely acknowledges that things like the Vietnam War or the rise of the Khmer Rouge took place. I don't think anyone under 55 is holding any grudges.

wow i'm not getting first post anymore (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036822)

Ok so i totally could have gotten first post, but this is fucking dumb, i couldnt type gibberish in to get it, wow i feel like an ass, fuck you slashdot fuck you

-dan

PC DVD players (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036824)

Just about all PC Based DVD players (such as WinDVD) let you navigate scene by scene.
Don't know about hardware stand alone versions tho.

Jews own Disney, control RIAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036826)

Have you ever noticed how the Jews are at the forefront of those trying to restrict our rights. Know your enemy. Study this list of Jews trying to destroy your freedom:
  • Eisner
  • Rosen
  • Coble
  • Berman
  • Redstone
The Jews never create anything. They are the parasites who wedge themselves between the producer and the consumer. The Jew takes a slice of every pie that passes by. What the Jew hates is that the Internet is cutting him off from his host. The artists can now distribute directly to their fans. The Internet has made the Jew irrelevant. So the Jew tries to buy the politician to do his bidding. The Jew tries to get bought politicians to pass bogus regulations in order to maintain Jew hegemony over the consumer.

Listen and learn about the Jew in this mp3 [natvan.com] .

Who Rules America? [natvan.com]

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (-1, Offtopic)

Bush Pig (175019) | about 12 years ago | (#4036842)

Fucking what ??? Are you insane, or is this just a joke? If so, I don't get it, so could you explain it to me?

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036874)

The MPAA and RIAA are zionist organizations.

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036851)

Remember Hamas is was originaly funded by israel in a plan to weaken the palestinian authority in a divide and conquer scheme, now hamas makes a perfect excuse for continued occupation becuase of their martyrdom operations. The truth is suicide bombers kill less jews than car accidents, the sharon government has seen this as an acceptable price to pay for the ongoing conquest of arab land.

Now that the jews have cemented their control of palestinian land through illegal settlments they have decided to move on to america.

Remember this: when you buy disney you are supporting apartheid.

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036909)

Pure rubbish. Clearly the product of a diseased mind.

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036942)

Jews? Arabs? Natvan? Are you a Palestinian or some prozac-deficient white trash?

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036998)

you've got it wrong, they cemented their monetary control of the US and THEN moved to Israel to begin taking over there...

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036885)

Don't forget joe lieberman leader in taking away your right to defend yourself with firearms as well as censoring the video game industry to "save the children".

He takes all that's bad about democrats and mixes it with all that's bad about religious conservatives and viola you get this rabid attack dog on the pro-israel lobbies leash.

Chuck Schumer is also under zionist control.

Re:Jews own Disney, control RIAA (1)

principio (558251) | about 12 years ago | (#4036961)

Oh boy! The National Allience is here to voice their well-informed opinions. Next, the Klan will be leading a round table discussion on chhoosing the right Linux Distro.

crybaby (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4037005)

Oh please, piss off and die. If your life is controlled by such a miniscule part of the world and US population, you deserved to get used.

How Lazy do you get? (5, Funny)

raiyu (573147) | about 12 years ago | (#4036827)

Exactly how lazy are you that you cant wait an additional 12 seconds for the FBI warnings to scroll by? Use that valuable time to pick your nose I say.

Re:How Lazy do you get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036890)

Actually, it probably has more to do with the kids that want to watch the movie 10-12 times back to back in one day. The warnings and trailers only really need to be watched the first time; after that they just get freakin' annoying.

Re:How Lazy do you get? (3, Informative)

sqlrob (173498) | about 12 years ago | (#4036905)

12 seconds?

I never heard ~10 minutes called 12 seconds. Tarzan has the previews on that unskippable track

Re:How Lazy do you get? (1)

Atlantix (209245) | about 12 years ago | (#4036958)

I admit I haven't checked if this works, but how about using the select-a-scene feature and choosing chapter 1?

--Atlantix2000

Re:How Lazy do you get? (1)

Atlantix (209245) | about 12 years ago | (#4036990)

Okay, I got curious and checked. The Tarzan DVD requires you to watch the FBI stuff. Once it hits the coming attractions, you can use the chapter advance buttons to get to the main menu quickly but all other operations are prohibited. I can see how Disney could get a lot of flak for this one. You can't even hit stop!

--Atlantix2000

Well (4, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | about 12 years ago | (#4036830)

I hate to say it, but a PC is a lot more flexible than a consumer DVD player... I'd go with the PC on this one... I doubt you will find too many DVD players that will allow you to skip the warnings... heck, even on the PC, you have to get hacked software to do it...

Premodded players (5, Informative)

slug359 (533109) | about 12 years ago | (#4036831)

An excellent site for those of us living in the UK is http://www.techtronics.com/.
These guys supply premodded DVD players, I bought my Panasonic from here last Christmas. Apart from the long delivery time, they were perfect.

Mine has the fastforwarding through trailers/warnings, region free, and is demacrovisioned.

They also have the option that (if you're a bit scared of soldiering inside your new £400 gadget like me) you can send them your DVD player and they'll chip it for you, of course if they screw up they pay for it (when I bought mine at least, may have changed now).

why? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036832)

those 10 seconds of fbi warnings are so costly aren't they. and as for Trailers the only one who does that is the disney companies and even then just hit the next button 2-3 times. besides there really isn't any "better" way to access content on a dvd.

ATI DVD Player will do (2, Interesting)

satsuke (263225) | about 12 years ago | (#4036836)

While this may not be a standalone DVD player {though with the remote it's pretty close.

But the ATI DVD player lets you go to a particular track without messing with the currently playing video.

Seems organized by track and index -- those two sets of numbers on most DVD players .. can also select different soundtracks and such.

For those times when the DVD authoring shop chose to lock soundtracks into those selected at the menu. -My Sony DVP-530A does this sometimes-

What a lame question... (0, Offtopic)

SomeOtherGuy (179082) | about 12 years ago | (#4036837)

Dear Slashdot...I just turned 16 and I really need to find a road that does not have speed limit signs.

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036876)

You can always try the road to hell. It's paved with good intentions, but no speed limit signs.

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036924)

Well sonney, come to the Nothern Teritory (Aus). We've got pleny a roads without those pesky signs and as an added bonus most of them are gravel and have multi trailer road trains on them moving at around 160K/h.


You too can apply the Darwin principal to your genes.

Re:What a lame question... (1)

Osty (16825) | about 12 years ago | (#4036946)

Well sonney, come to the Nothern Teritory (Aus). We've got pleny a roads without those pesky signs and as an added bonus most of them are gravel and have multi trailer road trains on them moving at around 160K/h.

Ouch! Can you say "your paint job is fucked over to hell and back"? I don't think even StonGard [stongard.com] will save you there!

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036881)

I'd certainly like to skip the 3 minutes of marketing and sabre rattling at the start of some DVDs and no, I don't want roads with no speed limits, I want speed limits that are set to the speed *I* want to go.

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036906)

Dear Slashdot...I just turned 16 and I really need to find a road that does not have speed limit signs.

He was asking for pointers on how he can exercise his constitutional rights, not break the law and endager peoples lives. Try for a better analogy next time...

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036966)

what constitutional right was that again?

Re:What a lame question... (2)

Archfeld (6757) | about 12 years ago | (#4036988)

the fair use right to use a product you purchased in a manner that is satifactory to you, and does not provide soemone elses IP for free. There is nothing wrong with this request, next thing they will do away with is the ability to time shift..after all DIGITAL is different, the lobbyists have convinced the asshats in office that it is...

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4037004)

What? You havn't read that part about being able to control one owns' DVD movie? It is right underneath that freedom of speech business. Get with the program.

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036907)

when everyone knows Montana doesn't have speed limit.

Re:What a lame question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036960)

Shut the fuck up, you stupid RIAA/MPAA puppet. Nobody wants to hear your cocksucking rambling.

Some Sony player can be modified (5, Informative)

tempmpi (233132) | about 12 years ago | (#4036844)

Some sony players can be flased with a modified firmware that disables region coding and the UOPs.
Here is a page with a patch [brouhaha.com] for the firmware of the Sony DVP-S7000 DVD Player.

Even better.. (5, Informative)

decaying (227107) | about 12 years ago | (#4036918)

....is a site that has lots [regionfreedvd.net] of players

Disabling DVD Controls (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036846)

I'd tell you, but then the DMCA would require me to kill you.

I live in Canada... (2)

Robber Baron (112304) | about 12 years ago | (#4036996)

...and I regularly piss with great force on your DMCA!

Don't Be A Baby. (1)

HappyCycling (565803) | about 12 years ago | (#4036849)

Look, the "content producer" spent millions upon millions of dollars so that you can enjoy their content in your home for cheap. The least you could do is view their warnings and such.

Re:Don't Be A Baby. (2, Insightful)

Eccles (932) | about 12 years ago | (#4036882)

Look, the "content producer" spent millions upon millions of dollars so that you can enjoy their content in your home for cheap.

No, they *earned* millions upon millions, because I (and thousands or millions of others) paid for the DVD. IF they start giving away DVDs, then I'll live with the restrictions. I don't go to a bank that gives me a lecture about not robbing them each time I go in, why should I repeatedly view an FBI warning?

Heck, I wanted to freeze the starting menu to see some detail on a DVD I was watching last night, but my Apex wouldn't do it for that section. How the frell is that doing anything for the media company, anyway?

Re:Don't Be A Baby. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036913)

Don't be an idiot. They do NOT spend the millions for
our benefit. Its for their benefit.

Re:Don't Be A Baby. (5, Insightful)

gilroy (155262) | about 12 years ago | (#4036973)

Blockquoth the poster:

Look, the "content producer" spent millions upon millions of dollars so that you can enjoy their content in your home for cheap.

Oh, yes, I am sure that Disney spent the millions of dollars for the betterment of all humankind, without any thought for the hundreds of millions they'd make from selling the DVD...


The issue isn't really the FBI warning (though I don't like being lectured every time I play a DVD). The point is, Disney and some others put commercials on that track. I wasn't intending to buy a commercial and I shouldn't be forced to watch it.


"Ah-hah!" say the rabid free marketeers. "Disney spent that money on the expectation that you would watch the commercial. Without the added economic benefit of that commercial, they would have had to raise the price to meet the economic expectation of profit. As it is, they count that 'forced eyeball' time as part of the profit, meaning they can sell it for less cash."


Bull dinky. If that's the case, then the commercial is also a cost (to me) and should be disclosed on the box, before I pay for the thing. Otherwise, it's fraud. In other words, there's a difference between "costs $20" and "costs $20 and two minutes of forced commercial viewing". My time is valuable, at least to me, and I shouldn't be bilked out of it.

Not too much out there (1)

alen (225700) | about 12 years ago | (#4036861)

Any player will let you fast forward and skip chapters as you want. Unfortunately it's the media company that forces you to watch trailers, warnings and other such drivel. THe warnings are on a lot of disks. The trailers and ads are only on a few discs. You can always use that time to go get a drink or something.

Get the lowdown on most DVD players, searchable. (3, Informative)

Typingsux (65623) | about 12 years ago | (#4036869)

It made me decide on the APEX 600 at the time.

Of course, I have had my player about 2 years at least.

Here [vcdhelp.com]

aaa (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036872)

The fucking autobhan, or even interstate 5. Dude, I should punch you in your idiot face.

You think so? (0)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | about 12 years ago | (#4036880)

One of the only things preventing me from buying a DVD is the fact that some media companies like to make you watch FBI warnings, trailers, and ads before allowing you to view the actual movie


Yes and that has been going on for as far as I can remember, not a DVD thing.

Videolan Client (5, Interesting)

philovivero (321158) | about 12 years ago | (#4036884)

Go here: Videolan Client [videolan.org] .

Works under MacOS X, Windows, and Linux. Does DeCSS automagically. Somehow always starts playing the movie immediately, skipping over the annoying FBI commercials and lame pre-movie commercials.

Does subtitling, plays flawlessly under Linux, is GPL, plays DivX :-) format videos, and is just, in general, a great moving-video playback device.

As another poster pointed out, hardware players are a crapshoot, but VLC is just about guaranteed.

Re:Videolan Client (3, Informative)

Col. Panic (90528) | about 12 years ago | (#4036929)

videolan is good, but i prefer ogle. menus work flawlessly and, like videolan, no fbi bs

Re:Videolan Client (1)

darekana (205478) | about 12 years ago | (#4037012)

Doesn't seem to work with my Reboot Season III disc... *sniff* T_T I get an endless stream of div by zero errors.

That's the advantage of hardware players, you don't have to mess with them. (not usually anyway)

Fight Club DVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036886)

Although the FBI warnings are annoying, the Fight Club DVD mocks it by having its own, third warning screen. The style is the same as the opening ones, but the text slowly changes into the same anarchist style material that the movie focuses on. It's just one more aspect of one of the greatest dark comedies ever made.

Do any other movies do this?

APEX 3201 (5, Informative)

KillerEggRoll (582521) | about 12 years ago | (#4036896)

Got mine from Kmart for $90. The APEX 3201 lets you hack it with just the remote control, no fumbling with flash-cd's and modchips. Just eject the tray, push 8 4 2 1, and a menu pops up letting you switch the region and Macrovision settings. Plus you can watch PAL dvd's perfectly (Monkey!). Of course the problem is you face about a 50% failure rate out of the box with an Apex (So I've heard). Plus there are a few dvd's that won't let you play them no matter the region setting. Which isn't really a problem if you consider which ones don't work (like the Patriot, bleh). So far my player works perfectly, so let's keep our fingers crossed it lasts at least a year.

Re:APEX 3201 (1)

KillerEggRoll (582521) | about 12 years ago | (#4036914)

Whoops, I didn't read the parent all the way thru. Don't know about how to skip the FBI warnings & such. But get the Transformers the Movie dvd - they start drawing a mustache on the FBI director during the warning... which is kinda funny.

DVDCCA Licensing (5, Interesting)

RomSteady (533144) | about 12 years ago | (#4036899)

Unfortunately, there are licensing issues involved here on the media side.

The DVDCCA license states that for region-coded disks, there must be one track that cannot be skipped. Most DVD publishers use that track for "required" legal verbage. Some place this chapter at the end of a movie, and use it to display the DVD authoring houses information. Some, like Disney, used it for advertising, and got quite a PR backlash for it. Newer Disney DVD's still have the ads, but have it as a seperate chapter so that you can skip them.

That information about which track is which is stored as a script file on the DVD. The players simply read and execute that script.

While it would be possible to do something like that (code something to skip required tracks), that same hack would break several of the fancier menu systems (Harry Potter extended DVD, etc.)

Just remember that changes always have consequences you may not be aware of. (The tester's motto)

OT: Simpsons (0)

BryanL (93656) | about 12 years ago | (#4036902)

OT: Yeah, most movies make you watch the FBI/Interpol warnings (why Interpol when the movies are region encoded?) But I LOVE the Simpsons DVD's, not only for great viewing material, but they also let you skip the warnings. Thank you Homer, er... Matt.

Popcorn. (1)

mfh (56) | about 12 years ago | (#4036908)

The way I avoid viewing trailers and warnings is by putting the disc in, hitting Play, and then unwrapped some microwave popcorn.

But, the Apex DVD players are cheap, available (Circuit City, Best Buy, WalMart, Sears, etc) and are modifiable to be consumer-friendly.

Apex AD-3201 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036915)

Try the Apex AD-3201 [apexdigitalinc.com] which you can get for around 100. It has the hidden menu which will allow you to disable Region encoding and Macrovision settings, instructions Here [nerd-out.com] . It is also a fairly good player and one of the few low-end DVD players that can truly handle all types of CDR media.

Recommend PlayStation2 (1)

Daimaou (97573) | about 12 years ago | (#4036916)

I bought one of the APEX DVD players, and I wouldn't recommend this as an option since they are problematic.

I have a PlayStation2 and purchased some software for it at www.codejunkies.com, which allows me to view movies from any region (and cheat on games if I wish to). I assume they still sell it.

DVDs (0)

s3ndk3yz (530987) | about 12 years ago | (#4036917)

Before this DVDs where away thirteen years strongly think up to now. That is many years for one vcr! I am suprised that it broke rather not completely as my!

Many disks can easily betrogen to become to play in order to jump over the whole intro FBI, which bad man does not copy this or held, by hitting the NEXT TITLE key fast, as DVD begin. I did this many times.

Better than videos ... ? (1)

Letch (551512) | about 12 years ago | (#4036921)

As my friend says: Even thought it takes less time to watch the FBI warnings on DVD's than it does to fastforward throught all the crap you get at the start of videos, its still somehow more annoying ...

Your kidding right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036927)

You are seriously complaining about like, what, 30 seconds of time that the dvd spends on the fbi warning and a logo screen? I mean I would understand if you were complaining about 15 minutes of trailers that couldn't be skipped like in a movie theater, but less than a minute? The beginning trailers in a dvd can always be skipped (hint: try hitting the main menu button if next chapter doesn't work) so it's just those few seconds you lose.

It's like complaining about how long a microwave takes to heat up your poptarts in the morning... "Damnable microwave that's 10 seconds I will never get back!"

Why bother? (1, Redundant)

bmetzler (12546) | about 12 years ago | (#4036928)

The Warning message isn't that long. Just pick up your copy of Reader's Digest or something and browse through it while you're waiting. Actually, you probably won't have time for even that. Use the time to microwave popcorn. Or even just spend the time in reflective silence.

It won't hurt you to have to wait 30 seconds. If you have your schedule so tight that you can't even spend an extra 30 seconds, then you should force yourself to sit down and waste some time. You need it :)

-Brent

Re:Why bother? (2)

topham (32406) | about 12 years ago | (#4036951)

You assume it is always 30 seconds. Supposedly a few DVDs force you to watch trailers before the movie starts.

Re:Why bother? (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | about 12 years ago | (#4036957)

"It won't hurt you to have to wait 30 seconds. If you have your schedule so tight that you can't even spend an extra 30 seconds, then you should force yourself to sit down and waste some time. You need it :)"

30 seconds for an FBI warning isn't the problem. Loading up a DVD with commercials for other DVD's in such a way you can't skip them is.

Get a dvdr (1)

TrollsamaBinLaden (599568) | about 12 years ago | (#4036938)

I would consider it fair use to rip out just the movie for any dvd I own so I do not have to mess with dvd spam. Pioneer dvr104s are getting nicely priced and there are many guides to help us out if you are having a problem ripping.

www.cdrom-guide.com has a section on dvds that contains a lot of information on making customer menus for your dvds and ripping out previews and other goodies.

Please do not kill them with too much of a /. because I am still reading um-kay?

Its not always about trailers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036939)

I remember when DVD's were first coming out and they kept talking about how you could program the order of chapters and include outtakes within the movie(among other things).

The only movie I have that was even close to this was T2... (giving you the choice of two versions of the movie).

Meanwhile, I would love to be able to program out the parts of movies that I don't like or edit together scenes that I want to see over and over again...

While were on the subject WHY DON'T THEY TURN UP THE VOLUME DURING COMMENTARIES????

Or better yet put the commentary on the left and the movie sound in mono on the right so that we can decide the right mix for ourselves...

sheesh

Zoran based players... (2)

topham (32406) | about 12 years ago | (#4036943)

Most of the low end DVD players are based on Zoran's chipset. WHile they have a few variations they seem to be pretty much the same.

Some can easily be changed to ignore region codes, or set to specific regions. Most support playing MP3s and atleast mine, always lets me skip a chapter.

While I can't fast forward past the FBI warnings I can hit the end of chapter button and skip it that way. Generally this gets me right the the credits...

A solution for the rest of us (3, Informative)

nick_davison (217681) | about 12 years ago | (#4036948)

It's pretty simple but it works for the rest of us who bought regular DVD players...

Just go to the chapter menu and start watching from Chapter 1. The FBI warning's usually fixed between the main menu's play option and the first chapter. Skipping direct to the chapter usually skips the warning.

Re:A solution for the rest of us (1)

JJC (96049) | about 12 years ago | (#4037002)

Just an extra little hint: That's Title 1, Chapter 1. Seems to be where the main feature starts on every DVD I try, but I read somewhere that it's sometimes on Title 2.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036949)

Try using a region free player and ordering your disks from the UK.

We have no FBI over here :-)

Skipping intro (1)

setrops (101212) | about 12 years ago | (#4036950)

At the main menu of most DVD there is a scene election. Just go there and select the first scene. You skip the ads,FBI warning...

XINE (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | about 12 years ago | (#4036956)

I think that xine works with all locations, but I cna't get it to play more than the FBI warning on a dvd. It works great for mpegs.

against federal law (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036967)

to modify your player to bypass the FBI warning.
As assinine as is it that is the way it is...
Our government, looking out for their corporate controller's interests at our expense for 10 years now. With a track record like that how can you go wrong...

Apex AD1500 (2, Informative)

NiGHTSFTP (515896) | about 12 years ago | (#4036971)

I have one, my sister has one, my neighbors bought one after I told them about it (they were also looking for one).

There is firmware available to make it Macrovision Free, Region Free, and RCE Immune(sp).

I did it to all three players, no problem.

Best part? They all work very well, and are dirt cheap ($60-80).

I wish I could lie this well. (1)

yoshi_mon (172895) | about 12 years ago | (#4036974)

A Disney executive, who asked to remain anonymous, acknowledged that the film didn't include a menu option for the ads and that the company has received complaints about it. However, the executive defended the ads as a benefit for consumers.

In business school these days, is it a prereq to take Corporate Lying and Spin doctoring 101 or something?

I mean the guy went so far as to insist on anonymity, but then almost as if it was reflex, had to throw that last bit in.

While I didn't think it was possible, but my opinion of Disney has just gone down yet another notch.

A Message From Tyler... (1)

Kirby-meister (574952) | about 12 years ago | (#4036977)

I think the best unskippable-FBI-warning track goes to Fight Club.

The funny part is that you can't pause it; a lot of my friends have tried to read it to no avail (they're not computer-smart, btw), even though the message is a warning for those who would sit and read those warnings.

Philips DVD players (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4036979)

It's been discontinued for a bit, but Philips' DVD825/DVD825AT gladly allow you to fire up fast forward to skip through "remote lockout" content.

On the plus side, many of their other DVD players offer the same functionality. If there's a major company out there that's friendlier than most to consumers, it's Philips.

They still do that? (3, Interesting)

Col. Panic (90528) | about 12 years ago | (#4036981)

Wow. I feel spoiled. I haven't seen an FBI warning for so long because the only movies I watch are on DVD using ogle [chalmers.se] . Come to think of it, I don't really miss those warnings ...

Thanks y'all... (1)

krinsh (94283) | about 12 years ago | (#4036991)

I am getting ready to go overseas; and probably make a career transitioning between places, and some of the links to multisystem equipment and suggestions for the Apex DVD players are coming very much in handy right now.

Remote Selector and Xcard (2, Informative)

Toasty16 (586358) | about 12 years ago | (#4036993)

You can get a cheap HTPC (home theater PC) setup if you have a vid card with TV out and a software DVD player that can disable Macrovision and region encoding, but the quality is not up there. Personally, I'd recommend getting a Realmagic Xcard with remote from (www.sigmadesigns.com). It's a hardware MPEG-1/-2/-4 decoder, and it has S-video and digital coaxial sound output, and it comes with a S-video to component cable to free up an S-video input on your TV. I'd couple this with a nifty tool called Remote Selector (www.remoteselector.com) which makes the Xcard and other hardware DVD decoders region free, macrovision free, and disables user prohibition (I.E. skipping FBI warnings and studio intros).

GNUDVD (1)

davidmccabe (516209) | about 12 years ago | (#4037006)

I see a need for someone (how about GNU?) to write a nice DVD player on top of DeCSS, that runs on GNU/Linux, writing to the framebuffer, and talking to remote controls. Then, it would it relatively easy to build a DVD player out of an old PC, or one of those set-top PCs. All it would need is a DVD-ROM drive and a nice video card. And also some flash memory and solid-state cooling.

Whoohoo.
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