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Sony Proudly Rolls Out Spyware/Restrictions System

michael posted about 12 years ago | from the buy-american dept.

Technology 527

jhonny writes "Sony announced a new DRM technology called OpenMG X. Basically it keeps track on how many times you played/viewed (or tried to copy) your product and sends these statistics to the copyright holder."

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And they'll call it: (3, Funny)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | about 12 years ago | (#4038907)

The Spyman!

Re:And they'll call it: (-1)

j0nkatz (315168) | about 12 years ago | (#4038942)

Welcome back brother!!

Re:And they'll call it: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4038944)

Did you know that mexicans are the next nigger?

Re:And they'll call it: (5, Informative)

uncoveror (570620) | about 12 years ago | (#4039136)

Now that Sony's computer division is on the same page as their music division, it is time to boycott all their products, not just their CDs. [] Don't buy anything from Sony.

HERE is a good use for a firewall. (3, Insightful)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | about 12 years ago | (#4038916)

Finally, a real erason for someone with a Windows machine (or Linux for that matter) to have a firewall...

Re:HERE is a good use for a firewall. (3, Interesting)

guacamolefoo (577448) | about 12 years ago | (#4038985)

My thoughts exactly. The only problem is, what if Sony
  • requires
the product to be able to communicate with the "server module" at some point in the future? Basically, I fear a movement towards disabling hardware if reporting does not take place. This may be a first step in that direction.

Re:HERE is a good use for a firewall. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039019)

then you spoof the server. duh.

Re:HERE is a good use for a firewall. (2)

sqlrob (173498) | about 12 years ago | (#4039054)

And if communication uses PKI, how do you spoof it?

Re:HERE is a good use for a firewall. (4, Funny)

DrVxD (184537) | about 12 years ago | (#4039085)

> f communication uses PKI, how do you spoof it?
Psycho Keneitc Interference? I'll just wear my aluminium foil propeller-head beanie!

Re:HERE is a good use for a firewall. (5, Insightful)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | about 12 years ago | (#4039056)

I remember when 3d studio max started to require a peice of hardware for their program to work. Sounds impossible? It was cracked before it came out of beta. Basically, if sony does something like this, it will take someone about an hour to write a simple DNS server that will re-route all requests to a certain server (or loopback devide) and to reply to the program how it wants to, so that for all the program knows, it's talking to the real server. Sure, they'll throw in encryption and such, but that will be breakable as well. What Sony will see as a huge investment, a lot of hackers / crackers will see as an exercise in server emulation.

thoughts (1)

dacarr (562277) | about 12 years ago | (#4038917)

On one hand, it'll be good for marketing - able to track more accurately which of their games get airtime, rather than making that determination.

On the other hand... remember DIVX?

Re:thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039004)

On the other hand... remember DIVX?

codec for windows media player?

Re:thoughts (1)

rjw57 (532004) | about 12 years ago | (#4039043)

On the other hand... remember DIVX?
codec for windows media player?

That is 'DivX ;-)'. DivX was a 'disposable rental' disc (kinda like a MPEG-4 based DVD) that was designed to let you play in 'n' times before becoming unplayable and you could then toss the disc away [i.e. you can rent a movie but don't have to return it to the store]. The problem was a) It was expensive to buy the players, b) The quality wasn't great, c) HArdly any titles were available and d) You could only play it 'n' times.

no, unlimited plays for 48 hours (1)

yerricde (125198) | about 12 years ago | (#4039087)

DivX was a 'disposable rental' disc (kinda like a MPEG-4 based DVD)

Now you're confusing Circuit City DIVX with DivX ;-). Circuit City DIVX used MPEG-2 technology because there was no MPEG-4 yet.

that was designed to let you play in 'n' times before becoming unplayable

No, the rental lasted 48 hours from when you first inserted it into a player. So it was like "UNLIMITED PLAYS!!1!1 <small>for 48 hours</small>" (remind you of AOL marketing?)

Hang on a sec. . . (4, Funny)

PhxBlue (562201) | about 12 years ago | (#4038920)

How is it spyware if they tell you it's sending data to the copyright holder? Isn't spyware supposed to be a bit more subtle than that?

Re:Hang on a sec. . . (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4038967)

James Bond never did that good a job of hiding his identity either...

(OT) James Bond DID hide his identity (1)

yerricde (125198) | about 12 years ago | (#4039115)

James Bond never did that good a job of hiding his identity either...

Yes he did. "007" was a code number, and "James Bond" was a code name designed not to sound like the name an agent would have but rather like the name a simple gardener would have. Do you really think a single secret agent could change his appearance that much between misssions (connery, moore, brosnan, etc)?

Likewise, who knows what this "Open Magic Gate" system truly holds?

Re:Hang on a sec. . . (1)

Proaxiom (544639) | about 12 years ago | (#4038995)

Is it still a phone tap if the FBI informs you they will henceforth be listening to all your calls?

Re:Hang on a sec. . . (2)

MarvinMouse (323641) | about 12 years ago | (#4039000)

Yeah, it's kinda like a FBI agent turnign to you and going... "Hang on a second, I have to phone the FBI and tell them you are about to sell me illegal goods. It'll only take a second. Just wait right there."

I think letting people know you are spying on them, will only tick them off, and lead to more protection against being spied on. (Or more linux, or firewalls.) But hey, won't fire walls circumvent this DRM... isn't that illegal by the DMCA? hmm... interesting.

Spies Like Us (2)

Myriad (89793) | about 12 years ago | (#4039031)

How is it spyware if they tell you it's sending data to the copyright holder? Isn't spyware supposed to be a bit more subtle than that?

Obviously you've never seen Spies Like Us. I mean they were spies, right, but was there any subtlety? No, I thought not. Don't even get me started on Ishtar...

Re:Hang on a sec. . . (2)

PMadavi (583271) | about 12 years ago | (#4039048)

It's kind of worse than spying. Spying, at least you're being tricked. This is really domineering (spelling?).

"We're going to watch you silly consumers, so you don't do things with our product that we don't want you to do. Why? Because we're bigger and stronger, that's why."

I wonder if this applies to (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4038923)

pr0n? i bet they'd be interested in THAT

So... (2, Interesting)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | about 12 years ago | (#4038929)

Do I need to be connected to the internet to use it? And does it honestly think I'm going to let it past my firewall to report its findings?

Re:So... (5, Insightful)

swordgeek (112599) | about 12 years ago | (#4038991)

That's always been my thought. However, what happens when the game doesn't work unless it can get to Sony? You will take it back. I will take it back. 99.99% of the population will play it, happily submitting all of their demographics to Sony.

So the end result is that the only people who would do something about it get marginallised, and can only avoid it by not playing. Whee.

OPen???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4038930)

I love how the name hase Open in it. What are the chances DRM software is open sorce.

Open my ass. Trying to give people a warm fuzzy?

PS 3 (2, Insightful)

new_breed (569862) | about 12 years ago | (#4038933)

"Installation not only on PCs, but also on networked devices such as PlayStation 2, AV devices, and mobile devices" Great..if this comes with my PS 3, I'm not buying one.

Re:PS 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039124)

Yeah, but on a PS3, where it's just a console and chips, who cares? It's not like it can read your financials. If Sony wants to know how many times I've played Metal Gear, Sons of Liberty (and whether I suck) who cares?

I'm more worried about personal computers. This is why I'm only buying older used machines.

Re:PS 3 (3, Funny)

David Wong (199703) | about 12 years ago | (#4039135)

Oh, you'll buy a PS3. Haven't you heard the news [] that it will be powerful enough to watch your body's movements via digital cameras and translate them into hyper-realistic digital virtual worlds on a processor 1,000 times more powerful than the PS2?

I think it also says somewhere in the article that you'll be able to strap it to your back and it will fly you to the moon.

Great... (5, Funny)

jamis (16403) | about 12 years ago | (#4038935)

What company needs to know that...

DVD - Naughty Coed Cheerleaders in Heat IV
Viewed 23,433 times

Re:Great... (5, Funny)

HiQ (159108) | about 12 years ago | (#4039109)

Viewed 23,433 times
Especially sections from 10min15 to 11min45, from 21min to 23min38, etc... (also known as the 'sticky bits')

Re:Great... (2, Funny)

$rtbl_this (584653) | about 12 years ago | (#4039111)

Well, if it's for forecasting, how about the manufacturers of Kleenex?

Re:Great... (2)

DrVxD (184537) | about 12 years ago | (#4039117)

> DVD - Naughty Coed Cheerleaders in Heat IV
> Viewed 23,433 times
Does it have a good plot?

OpenMG X? (3, Interesting)

Hornsby (63501) | about 12 years ago | (#4038936)

It seems like the latest trend is to prefix Open on anything that's proprietary and evil to try and trick "Open Source" hackers into thinking it's not so bad.

Re:OpenMG X? (1)

guusbosman (151671) | about 12 years ago | (#4039029)

...or to use the "X" that is also a popular character in geek-land.

Re:OpenMG X? (5, Funny)

phillymjs (234426) | about 12 years ago | (#4039044)

I think in this context, they mean "open" like the back of a hospital gown, and the consumer is the person wearing the gown.


Re:OpenMG X? (1)

PMadavi (583271) | about 12 years ago | (#4039069)

Yes, I was about to say, "Open, as in the anus, which Sony plans to ream repeatedly." You seem to have put it in a somewhat . . . less childish manner.

Re:OpenMG X? (-1)

Y2KBugs Bunny (592032) | about 12 years ago | (#4039079)

you spelled Open [] Source wrong, dude.
Actually, the best way to trick open source hackers is to somehow include homosexual references in the name and have anti-closed source crap in the press kit! For example, the SONY PS2 LINUX press kit [] (JPG format, scanned).

Re:OpenMG X? (1)

Dammital (220641) | about 12 years ago | (#4039095)

Yeah, did you dig this?
Sony believes in "OpenMG X" as an
open platform technology that should support the secure distribution of content, and we are now considering licensing this technology to hardware manufacturers and software vendors.
Open is closed. Freedom is slavery.

Marketing plans.... (-1)

ClickWir (166927) | about 12 years ago | (#4039100)

It also might be part of a subtle way of giving things with the Open name, a bad rep.

"How do we stop this open-source movement? Lets release a bunch of products that we know people will hate, label it with a similar name or buzzword. People will start to think of bad products when they hear/read the word open-*. Smithers... this plan is exxxxxxxxcellent."

One very small good point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4038937)

Perhaps they will work towards a pay-per-listen strategy. Then I won't have to listen to teenagers blasting the same Brittany Spears song over and over again.

So what happens if... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4038939)

I try to copy it 1,000,000 times?

Re:So what happens if... (2)

sammy baby (14909) | about 12 years ago | (#4039059)

You win a prize. Duh.

Re:So what happens if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039084)

The counter overflows 15 times?

So how much? (2, Funny)

philzama (582467) | about 12 years ago | (#4038945)

So how much do I get charged if I hum a tune in my head? Oh Shit, what If I have a dream and its a musical? Damn!

Re:So how much? (1)

Phalkin (413055) | about 12 years ago | (#4039116)

If you have a dream and it's a musical, you probably need to work out some sexual issues.

zone alarm (2)

hex1848 (182881) | about 12 years ago | (#4038947)

Glad I use zone alarm. It seems like their is a lot of this "phone home" technology being built into more and more applications. I like knowing whats trying to get in and out of my system and being able to accept or deny it.

Re:zone alarm (4, Interesting)

MrP- (45616) | about 12 years ago | (#4039026)

hope you dont allow web browsers to get through zonealarm. As it has been shown before, a program can open a URL with your default browser, then hide the window before you see it. All sony has to do is put the tracking information in the URL and submit it, bypassing zonealarm.

Re:zone alarm (4, Informative)

Lussarn (105276) | about 12 years ago | (#4039046)

A personal firewall isn't good enough. If the software who is phoning home disables the firewall you wouldn't notice. A firewall needs to be on it's own secure box.

I'll bet you $10 that hax0rs will crack it (2)

krog (25663) | about 12 years ago | (#4038951)

...probably within the week. anything that Phones Home can be effectively neutered by changing a few bytes.

"legal"? (1, Insightful)

CrndrTaco on (598635) | about 12 years ago | (#4038953)

At the same time, "OpenMG Jukebox", a content compression, management, and playback technology installed in PCs, has been developed to restrict illegal copying of music content from CDs and the Internet. This application is pre-installed in VAIO and is compatible with Sony's portable audio players

^^^Well I guess this means I won't be buying myself a new VAIO anymore. This means I can't keep my (legal) CD collection on my computer anymor. How is a computer suppose to know what is legal? If I go to Denmark, does it then knw that its' all of a sudden legal for me to have copies of my own cds?

How could they say something so blatntly suptid.

Firewall = DMCA violation? (5, Interesting)

Mexican (323519) | about 12 years ago | (#4038954)

And how long will it be before blocking their DRM management server in your personal firewall is considered circumventing the DMCA?

Pot, Kettle, Black (5, Informative)

JohnPM (163131) | about 12 years ago | (#4038956)

It's humerous that one of the biggest Japanese companies is so concerned with intellectual property. The Japanese reputation with regards to Patent enforcement is a model for the anti-Amazon burn-the-patents crowd. This is illustrated by, for example, Texas Instruments getting bent over by Fujitsu in 97 [] .

Re:Pot, Kettle, Black (2)

beleg777 (551987) | about 12 years ago | (#4039106)

Note that they want to sell it. I don't think they are so much concerned with DRM, as they are interested in capatalising on western stupidity.

No real danger... (1)

stu0x (599717) | about 12 years ago | (#4038961)

If they want to deploy this to "static" platforms like Playstation, then it's going to be one iteration of code. Crack it once, job done, they can hardly force people to upgrade the bios in their consoles etc so there's no real reliable way of auto-deploying a patch.

I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (5, Insightful)

floppy ears (470810) | about 12 years ago | (#4038962)

Sony says:

In future, the following capabilities will be required for DRM (Digital Rights Management) in expanding the digital content distribution business. ...
3. Installation not only on PCs, but also on networked devices such as PlayStation 2, AV devices, and mobile devices.

I'm not eager to have Sony keeping track of the games and music I'm playing on my PlayStation. This is a good opportunity for Nintendo to distinguish themselves by embracing freedom.

Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (0, Flamebait)

MrP- (45616) | about 12 years ago | (#4038990)

I think it's time to buy a Microsoft X-Box ::ducks::

Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039035)

On the one hand:
It doesn't have spyware...yet (AFAIK)
On the other hand:
1. It's Miscro$loth (although it looks like Sony might be trying to emulate them)
2. The only good game for XBox I have come across is Halo, and Gearbox is porting that to PC even as we speak.
3. The PS2 has the ultimate controller. If they change it for the PS3 I will be very disappointed in them. The XBox has a crap controller, just as bloated, badly laid out, and hard to use intuitively as the Gamecube controller.
4. The XBox itself is physically ugly and bloated.

Have a nice day!

Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (2)

nbvb (32836) | about 12 years ago | (#4039107)

This is why I kept my Dreamcast.

What's so special about the PS2/Xbox/GC that the DC doesn't do?

Answer: Nuttin.

And I have all the neat-o accessories for the DC.... the fishing controller, the keyboard & mouse, and the oft-accused-of-being-vapor Broadband Adapter!

Yes, I actually have one. And no, I didn't get it from eBay. I bought it directly from Sega when it was introduced :)


Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (1)

aetherspoon (72997) | about 12 years ago | (#4039011)

Um... no? Nintendo has no CD-based (or DVD-based) console. Maybe next time you can actually look at what the Gamecube has before you support it?

Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (1)

MrP- (45616) | about 12 years ago | (#4039055)

gamecube uses modified dvds (smaller ones)... and the panasonic version from japan can play dvd movies and cds, and looks better (clear/silver)

Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (1)

garcia (6573) | about 12 years ago | (#4039014)

didn't Sony make noises when MS said they were going to do much the same thing when they rolled out the Network for the XBox? Now they are doing it?

I was VERY pumped for Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 over the net... Now I am questioning my desire to purchase the LAN adapter and LAN enabled games...

Too bad most people won't know/care about this.

Re:I think it's time to buy a Gamecube (1)

motardo (74082) | about 12 years ago | (#4039110)

You can play THPS3 over the net with the Playstation 2 if you use a USB network adapter.

GameCUbe ROCKS!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039016)

I highly recommend it over ps2 anyway. Sure there aren't as many games, but they are all good!

Re:GameCUbe ROCKS!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039060)

You need to be willing to put up with the Controller Design From Hell. The XBox and Gamecube controllers are tied for "Worst Controller In The History Of Console Gaming"

Thanks (3, Insightful)

MrP- (45616) | about 12 years ago | (#4038963)

Thanks for the announcement Sony. Now I know to avoid your products. I wish more companies would tell me about their stupid ideas sooner.

Re:Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039040)

I agree. No more Sony purchases -- and that includes the Clie I'd been considering. Lessee... my permanent boycott list now features, on the tech side, Microsoft and Sony...

Damnit! (2)

Spackler (223562) | about 12 years ago | (#4038964)

Hey Sony, just implant it right into my ear canal and get it over with!

WiFi Walkmans!! (1)

joshsnow (551754) | about 12 years ago | (#4038965)

This presupposes that you have an internet connection. Does this mean Sony plan to release versions of thier products with wireless networking built in? WiFi walkmans, MiniDisk players, CD-Players - can't see this working. OTH, I probably need to read the article before posting....

Ohh, whatever will we do!! (0)

override11 (516715) | about 12 years ago | (#4038989)

Oh, I know!! (Starts KaZaA Lite)
1.Download crack....
2.Rip Movie to DIVX

All these protection scheme's do is make the people who purchase a copy have to jump through more hoops or buy more equipment to play something thay bought, and the people who download the movie from the net wont even see a change. What a waste!

This couldn't make me happier (4, Insightful)

philipdl71 (160261) | about 12 years ago | (#4038993)

The more DRM (digital rights management) implementations there are, the greater the chance that the industry won't be able to get one to critical mass so that it's actually accepted by consumers.

I applaud Sony for their recent contribution. Perhaps those proprietary memory sticks will be good for something, anyways.

How do they know? (2, Interesting)

gralem (45862) | about 12 years ago | (#4038994)

Let's say the copyrighted product is a CD or DVD. Well, I can rip either one of those into another format. Let's say I convert it to MP3/DIVX. Then I could convert those formats to OGG/DV formats. By now, there is no way to track where it came from and what content is in the files, right? I mean, in the end all of these systems can be avoided. And if we know they're out there, we just don't buy any more sony computers EVER (or microsoft software or REAL software, etc, etc).

I do not think there is any software that could scan an Ogg Vorbis file and determine at all what song it is. Even if it did that, it could not determine what album it came from (original/CD single/live/greatest hits/various artists version). The whole idea of DRM just drives me crazy!


Re:How do they know? (3, Insightful)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | about 12 years ago | (#4039127)

Everyone is talking about firewalls, and other formats with-out DRM, thinking that blocking the DRM will just allow unlimited access.

This isn't what the corporations want. They want it so the DRM bits must be verified before you can use any media. You firewall the requests, you can't play. You use a non-DRM enabled format your player won't open it.

It may not be at this point yet, but I can see it quickly heading there.

Missing the point? (1)

jrmann1999 (217632) | about 12 years ago | (#4039006)

Unless I'm blatently reading into this wrong, it appears that sony isn't intending on this hitting CD/DVD media. It appears that they are trying to legitimize purely digital content(MP3/DivX/etc) by tracking it. While I'm not for this type of behaviour, it's a legitimate attempt at creating a system of legal file swapping(I pay 5$ for an mp3 and they are satisfied that if I use the proprietary player it's not going to be copied to 1,000,000 people).

wrong thinking here (4, Funny)

Alcimedes (398213) | about 12 years ago | (#4039010)

man, forget about "disabling" this device, this is exactly what we need!

think about it. all that has to happen is one geek cracks the code. then distribute it. then get a few people together and make a database of all the different codes for different games. end result? get a nice little program that artificially inflates the stats for your favorite games!

forget running SETI of, just run PS stacker in the background, sending of piles of info back to the mothership about how gamers REALLY LOVE BUSHIDO BLADE!!!

at least that's one way to do it. besides, break it entirely and they'll come up with another one. better to tweak it and use it to your advantage.

hmmm... let me make sure I understand (1)

ivpiter (581780) | about 12 years ago | (#4039012)

/"This will provide content holders and distributors with the bigger opportunities to widen the ways of secure content distribution to various devices while consumers will enjoy more entertaining and exciting content, which will enlarge and vitalize the entire digital content distribution market." Translation: This will not only make content far more restricted, but will also record and track your activities while giving new marketing information to the mega corporations and allow them to scheme with greater efficiency in dolling out overpriced drivel to the masses for consumption. Ok, just wanted to make that clear.

How to circumvent Digital Copy Protection step 1 (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 12 years ago | (#4039025)

1: Record music/video onto analog media. (ok , games could be a problem here :) End. Problem solved. I really don't see why people get so uptight about these copy protection systems. Can't copy a track because of some block in the OS or player? Simple, tee off from the speaker cables into analogue record input connector of your choice. Its really quite simple.

Just one word comes to mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039028)


spyware and firewall (1)

bummpyjojo (596823) | about 12 years ago | (#4039032)

i agree it really cant be considered spyware as they tell you up front about it but spyware is also told to you in some deep dark elu agreement so it all depends if they make it very open or hide it in a elu somewhere firewall my best guess from dealing with sony software and support is (and only my opinion not sonys) they probaly included it in one of there software programes that comes on all there pcs or included it into the win media player and it would be sent back via one of winxp's back doors like the "generic host process" or other software that requiers updates for codecs thus forcing you to give it internet access and sending the data back to big brother --- i'm more consered with what they want to do with this data is it internal use or externail marketing -- also did anyone read the elu agreement for a sony pc (probaly modified the same for any oem pc) but the microsoft agreement is modified buy oem's to say something like " you give us the right to enter your pc with/out you'r knowledge and view or alter your files" -- look closely its there on most recovery cds the first thing you see --- you do know that whan you update with microsoft they let the oem know

Re:spyware and firewall (1)

bummpyjojo (596823) | about 12 years ago | (#4039126)

forgot to add --- ever hear of sony support agent on all sony pcs for about 3-4 years ---- well it calls home /scanes all files on pc// and -- automatically repairs (damaged ones) replaces (missing ones) all files originaly sond with the pc by sony --- so altering or deleting the files wont do any good -- this is dependent on theam useing it this way and not just selling it to all software venders for use in there softwre also

in case it gets slashdotted... (4, Funny)

unformed (225214) | about 12 years ago | (#4039042)

Announcing "OpenMG X"
- Digital Rights Management and Distribution Technology
-Promoting distribution of digital content which respects copyright-

Tokyo, Japan

Sony Corporation today announced "OpenMG X", a digital rights manag ....

eh, screw it, it's sony, let 'em hurt....

Automatic response.... (1)

jlrowe (69115) | about 12 years ago | (#4039045)


Set DVCopy to RW

Set copies to make to "continuous"

Set Responses to "automatic"

Turn monitor off.

Come back in 6 months and check progress.....

Sony's new DRM scheme (5, Funny)

Greenrider (451799) | about 12 years ago | (#4039047)

Day 1: AIBO received as present

Day 2: AIBO found looking through personal CD collection.

Day 3: AIBO attempts to sabotage my chipped PS2. I reprimand it by frowning sternly and saying "Bad dog" but it just wags its tail and pretends like it doesn't understand.

Day 4: AIBO swallows the laser assembly of my CD burner. Claims it was hungry.

Day 5: AIBO starts leaving little piles of Memory Sticks all over the house.

Day 6: AIBO trashes my RioVolt by trying to mate with it.

Day 7: AIBO returned to store, exchanged for TiVo.

Re:Sony's new DRM scheme (0, Troll)

_LORAX_ (4790) | about 12 years ago | (#4039134)

Day 8: Watch pr0n

Day 9: Start receiving adult advertizements on TiVo when paused.

Day 10: Receive mail offers for adult entertainment.

Day 11: Return TiVo for a Replay.

Hack it counter-intuitively... (1)

Tall Rob Mc (579885) | about 12 years ago | (#4039057)

The natural first thing to think is "how can I fix this so it doesn't send any information?" However, my question is "how can I hack this so that every time it sends, it adds another 50,000 to the number of times the file has been copied?"

Just to fuck with 'em.

Branding/Buzzword compliance (2, Funny)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | about 12 years ago | (#4039058)

OpenMG X

Let's see.

Uses a word with benevolent connotations ("Open")... +2 points

Followed up by a small abbreviation that terminates with the "ee" sound... +3 points.

Incorporates X somehow... +4 points.

Fails to use an "e" or "i" prefix... -2 points.

2 + 3 + 4 - 2 = rights still getting FLUSHED DOWN THE TOI... I mean, 7 points! Good work to everyone involved!

Automatic Press Release digester (1)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | about 12 years ago | (#4039062)

It would be very easy to write a short script to characterize press releases.

Grep the number of times "illegal copying" is found (in this case, 3)

Grep the number of times "protect content" is found (in this case, 2)

Grep the number of times "making people pay more for something so that it is deliberatly crippled to prevent them from doing things that they both would want to do and is perfectly legal to do": oops, zero in this case. Funny, I could have sworn it was in there somewhere.

The sad part of this is that if it really was a free market, this would never get off the ground. What consumer would pay for it?

Am I missing something here, or is Sony retarded? (2)

SkipToMyLou (595608) | about 12 years ago | (#4039064)

"OpenMG X consists of the following software modules:
1. An encoding module which adds digital rights management information, such as the number of times content was copied or played, to music/movie content and converts them into code at the distributors' end.
2. A server module which distributes digital rights management information on content to the users' end.
3. Client module for developing application software compatible with "OpenMG X" Sony has put the client module (#3) into practice and created "MAGIQLIP", the network music player for PC."

It sounds like that as long as you don't use the MAGIQLIP software, you're fine. Tell me if I'm missing something here, or they just thought up another half-assed copyright protection scheme.

Go Create? (1)

Te1waz (453498) | about 12 years ago | (#4039067)

They'll have to amend their motto to

IF Times 3
Go Create
Go away you theif

All you mushy-headed alarmists (5, Funny)

David Wong (199703) | about 12 years ago | (#4039075)


"This will provide content holders and distributors with the bigger opportunities to widen the ways of secure content distribution to various devices while consumers will enjoy more entertaining and exciting content, which will enlarge and vitalize the entire digital content distribution market."

This will make your movies and music MORE EXCITING AND ENTERTAINING. Say goodbye to Britney and awful Elvis remixes. Say goodbye to slap-together Austin Powers' sequels crammed with product placements. THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL CURE US OF THAT.

I have yet to determine exactly how, but I happen to trust Sony. They told me the PS2 would be 1,000 times more powerful than the PS1, and dammit, we've all seen the results.

Why you guys can't get over your whining and just accept this new more exciting and entertaining future is beyond me.

Sony's Mp3 walkman (1)

Openadvocate (573093) | about 12 years ago | (#4039077)

I have one of Sony's mp3 walkman, like this one [] .
The good thing about it is that it is small and works well. I only use it when running and the small size is perfect for that purpose. For my use, I don't care if I can't copy the files to another PC, that it counts the number of times that I have uploaded/downloaded to it(so you can't keep downloading to multiple devices I assume) or that it converts it to another format. So that is not a problem for my use of it.
However, I would kindly ask them to go f... themself if they want to track my usage of it. I have paid for my CD's that I download to it, I have paid for the entire product and I they want to get something from me, like collecting information, I want something back, something that would make it worth it.
Yes, I can enroll to their "community" and sample new music etc but that does not cut it.
The included software(OpenMG) was slow like a dog on my 1Ghz P3, even simple meny navigation sucks. I managed to misplace the program CD(stupid me), I still however have the cover with the serial number. It took an entire evening to find a place where I could find a upgrade that didn't require my version to be installed. I also found a version Real Jukebox that worked with my player but now that Real has gone on a extreme nagging crusade to get me to upgrade to their latest sucky Real player One, that too is getting unbearable.

Ok, so what am I saying? The hardware itself works great for me, it even have been covered in sweat(yuck) several times and still works. The small size and low weight is great when I go for that one hour run. But the software simply sucks to the extend that it is nearly unusable and with their latest great idea here, I am seriously considering to dump the bastard and find another player to use.

could work for mr. whipple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039083)

enhancing his ability to couNT how many sheets of charmin(tm) we use?

again, we may NEVER buy another cd/dvd/pc, until we're sure there's NO spyware on IT.

we're not opposed to paying for entertainment, &/or inf., but have LOTs of reservations about allowing megasloth.con access to our inf. for free, due to the obvious issues of MiStrust/larceny surrounding old mega's follIEs.

DMCA question (1)

jat2 (557619) | about 12 years ago | (#4039090)

So, I have a question.

Is it legal to circumvent DRM spyware under the DMCA?

I would hope it is, since you can do so without violating the copyright holder's rights. But, you never know when lawyers are involved.

However, there may be a way around (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039097)

Who knows, there could be a way to block the data from even being written, similar to what was done to a previous and similar Sony technology...described: here. []

NetMD already deplying similar tatics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039098)

I just bought a NetMD minidisc and the software that comes with it (openMG) only lets you "check in/out" your mp3's a whole 3 times. But that's not all, your not allowed to edit, delete, or upload the tracks to anything other than the pc where they came from.

P.S. Neat work around. Create a Nero image of the mp3's, mount it with nero's image drive and burn it with sony's SimpleBurn, all restrictions removed.

Now we just gotta get a workaround for uploading tracks via the USB cable.

silly names (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039099)

From the press release,

Sony has put the client module (#3) into practice and created "MAGIQLIP", the network music player for PC

And I thought GNU, KDE, and Gnome application names were bad! Compared to this magiqlip nonsense, kasteroids and gnumeric are gems!

So will I be able to.... (1)

PontifexMaximus (181529) | about 12 years ago | (#4039101)

get around this with a magic marker too? Thank god for Sharpie's!

huh? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4039120)

Can't be bothered to read all that marketing-speak. Can anyone summarise it into English?!

Let me save you the trouble... (0, Flamebait)

LordYUK (552359) | about 12 years ago | (#4039121)

I play cracked versions of downloaded games like GTA 3 on a modded PS2 while listening to burned music copied to CD using a Sony VAIO on an AIWA stereo I bought off of some guys truck.

And I wipe my arse with ultra charmin, not that cheap 1 ply stuff.

Sony, you can suck it.

Thank you Sony (2)

Aceticon (140883) | about 12 years ago | (#4039125)

Thank you Sony for once again reminding me why i don't buy Sony products anymore.

Ever since the DCMA controversy started i stopped buying Sony products - any Sony products. I don't care if they're good or bad, geeckish or general consumer, music, video, electronics or whatever - i purposely avoid any and all products from Sony any any company i know is part of the Sony "empire".

I've voted with my wallet - What about YOU?

So we don't like Sony this week? (2, Funny)

goldenfield (64924) | about 12 years ago | (#4039128)

Damn it...I can never keep up!

Sorry guys, but I might have to like them again when the network package for PS2 comes out in a couple weeks. And online Madden 2K3...


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