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Lessig @ OSCON

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the bible-thumping dept.

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passthecrackpipe writes "Leonard Lin has put up the presentation Lawrence Lessig gave at OSCON (mirror). It is great. It requires Flash." Nice Flash work, very impressive, and of course Lessig is a superior speaker. Worth your time and the 8Mb download.

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OSCON backwards is NOCSO!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067638)

First post. Is CLIT still around? They suck. Eat it trolls. I claim this for me.

Re:OSCON backwards is NOCSO!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067683)

First reply!!!! I'm somewhat slow today damn.

So damn close (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067641)

Damn it

FP ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067643)

8 mbs? only? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067645)

I skimmed through it. It seemed rather repetitive at times but had a good overall point. Question is, who's actually going to do anything about all this? People talk and talk while congress continues to pass more laws. What can the average computer user do to support this front besides emailing their congressman/woman who isn't even listening?

Re:8 mbs? only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067651)

Don't email. Actually take the time to send a paper letter. They pay more attention to those.

Re:8 mbs? only? (1)

llin (54970) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067758)

Actually fax is probably better. They're still worried about anthrax...

Although their apparently most responsive to checks.

Re:8 mbs? only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067764)

If "their" could be replaced with "they are" in a sentence and still make sense then the correct word is "they're" :)

Re:8 mbs? only? (1)

llin (54970) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067815)

grammar nazis! run! ;)

Re:8 mbs? only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067893)

If I was a nazi do you think I would be smiling? :)

Re:8 mbs? only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067958)

You should be thankful to the "grammar nazi." Your mistake made you look awfully stupid.

Re:8 mbs? only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067850)

not with the new anthrax fax, see this /. story: SlashDot - anthrax faxs [sickgayporn.com]

Re:8 mbs? only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068189)

The real problem is that besides geek community, nobody actually understands what's wrong with things such as DMCA. You see, politicians care about two things: money and votes. On the money side, you geeks can't possibly compete against Disney or RIAA, no matter how much you donate to EFF; as to the votes, the population of geeks just don't weigh enough. You can't buy them, you can't vote them off, then why should they listen to you anyway?
---- flamebait -- cut here -- >8 ----------
And most of you still spend bucks on music CD's and Hollywood movies, thus fueling the Dark Side(TM). Want to win the war? Start by quitting your job of being windows network admin. Martin Luther King won the battle by willing to go to jail, you know. Or stop complaining. Simple as that.

Pass the first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067646)

by the left hand side!

superior (1)

seanbird (599280) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067652)

he is a superior speaker? comepared to who? or what? I am confused. Come on editors... you can at least read it over before you post the story.

Re:superior (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067659)

yeah, and what about fp?

Re:superior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067804)

Come on, reader... You can at least spend 15 seconds checking a dictionary before you inaccurately nitpick over the meaning of a word with which you are apparently not particularly familiar.

way to go /. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067653)

posting links to 8M files on the front page. smooth.

meanwhile, i can smell the smoke from the fried processor in the site's cisco

Re:way to go /. (1)

llin (54970) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067745)

Mod throttle is set up. It should 503 to a mirror on ibiblio. We'll see I guess...

Re:way to go /. (2)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067825)

I'm getting 74kb/sec off it, seems to be handling the load just fine. I wouldn't want to be receiving their bandwidth bill, though ;)

uhh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067654)

6th post? sp

ahh ... seeing the /. effect in real time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067660)

was downloading at 150k/s ... saw it gradually slow down to 100k/s. now it's barely staying above 20k/s

thanks michael!

How do you pause the thing? (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067666)

If you stop it, it rewinds. Aargh!

Re:How do you pause the thing? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067720)

Yeah - that caught me too. You've can click on the forward and back buttons to find your place again though :)

Re:How do you pause the thing? (1)

llin (54970) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067740)

The pause button works for me? What platform / version are you on? (I programmed the actionscript for this thing btw)

Re:How do you pause the thing? (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067746)

Flash 5, Netscape.

Re:How do you pause the thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067784)

Ditto as the user above. Flash 5 (this time, stand-alone player)

MP3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067670)

It has the occasional gif-quality animation but it's mostly just his key points onscreen with an audio track. I have an MP3 but no where to host it - any takers? (leave contact details)

More Mirrors (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067678)

http://creativecommons.org/freeculture/ [creativecommons.org]
http://lessig.org/freeculture/ [lessig.org]
posted anonymously for humanitarian purposes.
:wq

Re:More Mirrors (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067731)

Another one [sunyit.edu]

Re:More Mirrors (1)

llin (54970) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067886)

A full mirrors list of people who've emailed me to be added is at the bottom of the page.

Admittedly, with the short attention spans of the average /. reader, I should probably move that above the fold...

Download (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067716)

Why do they make it so tricky to download shockwave and realaudio stuff?
I made a link you can right click and save cause I was too lazy to write a hack page.
http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/free_cultur e.swf [randomfoo.net]

Awesome Presentation (1, Troll)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067719)

Naikrovek is changing his presentation style.

THis is really well done.

I love the VBNS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067734)

darkstar.pts/13:/tmp/> curl -o free_culture.mp3 http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/free_cultur e.mp3
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Curr.
Dload Upload Total Current Left Speed
100 7422k 100 7422k 0 0 929k 0 0:00:07 0:00:07 0:00:00 869k
darkstar.pts/13:/tmp/>

Hello. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067753)

I am a 10 year old girl who is interested in computers. I have tried on several occasions to learn more about the Linux operating system, but each time a Linix user would invite me over to his house to to teach me about Linux, he would attempt to have sex with me. That's gross. I don't even like boys yet!

After several close calls, I have decided never to go over to the house of a Linux user again. Does anyone know why Linux users keep trying to have sex with me? This never happened when I was learning about BSD.

-A 10 year old girl

Re:Hello. (0, Troll)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067770)

You may be safer if you attended a your local Catholic Linux User Group, they are only interested in boys. Plus when you're ready to learn about little boys, the pastors can tell you all the tricks of the trade.

Re:Hello. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067997)

Yeah, I know. BSD users are fags. I learned the hard way.

- A 10 year old boy

Lessig rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067775)

He announced at OSCON that he would only publicly speak one more time after the event. If you're at LinuxWorld in SF this week, you can see him Wednesday night at Affero's benefit for the FSF, detail are here [affero.com] and FSF's press release is here [fsf.org] .

Re:Lessig rocks! (2, Informative)

dmoynihan (468668) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067867)

Err, he's taking time off to prepare his arguments in the Eldred case (begins Oct. 9) before the Supreme Court... apparently stepping away from Greplaw as well.

Some links.

http://eldred.cc/legal/supremecourt.html#oppose
http://www.corante.com/copyfight/

When I grow up, I want to be a karma whore.

echoing (3)

Gaccm (80209) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067798)

does anyone else get horrible echoing in the flash?

Re:echoing (1)

Xanni (29201) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067843)

Yes, and the pitch is too high; in addition to the overlapping echoes, it sounds like it's being played back at the wrong speed as well. Something is really wrong with the audio coding - it's quite unlistenable. (I'm using the Macromedia Flash plugin for Linux "Shockwave Flash 5.0 r47" for playback.)

Re:echoing (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067935)

Not only under Linux, it also happens here on Mac OS X and Chimera. I did a quick run with MSIE under OSX and same effect....

And yes, the echoing makes it somewhat incomprehensible at times.

Re:echoing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067872)

I was wondering about that.
listening very carefully I could make it out, but thought it was perhaps deliberate, just a lousy effect.

going to see if I can find a windows machine to listen to it on tomorrow.

Or maybe see if there is an updated flash player.

Re:echoing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067883)

Works well in Windows.

Re:echoing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067895)

It did for me too. Then I used the >> button, that got rid of the echo.

That did it! Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067902)

no text

oh. ok.
um. mod the parent up...

Re:echoing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068010)

If you pause it and restart it, the echoing goes away. I also had to mess with the rewind and fforward to get the images to line up with the words after pausing.

Re:echoing - to solve it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068065)

.. just press [>>] and then [] - the echo will go away. (maybe a bogus effect introduced in the begining of the flash stream)

Who really cares about this presentation? (0, Troll)

drink85cent (558029) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067805)

I really think like 4 maybe 5 linux monkies may waste their time downloading it but i rather use that extra bandwidth to download porn.

Re:Who really cares about this presentation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067918)

me too

Re:Who really cares about this presentation? (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067950)

"If you explain, you loose"
-- JC Watts

(that's a quote used in the presentation, and no, I don't use Linux. I don't support the "other side" either.)

Maybe someone should make a verbatim transcript of this, or is it already available somewhere? If yes, links please :)

Interesting...... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067811)

He keeps asking "what have you done [to fight against these fuckheads like Valenti and Rosen]?", but I think the real question is "what CAN you do?".

Look, I'm all for bringing down these tyrants and returning to the 'free society' he speaks of, but what chance do we have? We're geeks and creators, not lawyers and politicians. And the way this world is currently set up, the latter group rules the earth and are usually easy to sway if enough money is thrown their way. Big media giants like Disney can afford to do this, but what can we do? The only real contender I can think of is Microsoft, but they're not exactly the free society posterchild.

And even if the whole geek community does something substantial (like boycott all mainstream movies and music, etc), we're STILL the minority. The masses don't give a shit about this stuff. I know this to be fact, because practically all of my non-geek friends (which is about 70% or more) show no interest in these issues at all. They feel as though it's so distant to them that it's not even a concern (much like the whole Israel vs. Palestine conflict). I've tried to make them see that it will effect them, but they are too apathetic to look into it any further.

I know, I know. All I've done is restate the problem and I've failed to provide any solutions, but that's because I simply do not have any solutions to give. So here's my question: what the hell can we do to stop our society from becoming what we fear it will some day become?

Re:Interesting...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067836)

What can you do that is actually effective?

Very little that is legal, and even less that is cheap.

Not that I think one should refuse to fight simply because one cannot apparently win.

But I think by the time the general population of the world reaches a sufficient level of awareness to actually realize what is going on, it will be too late to actually do anything about it.

And the notion of the general population achieving such awareness is a gigantic "if", itself.

C'est la vie.

Re:Interesting...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067914)

In addition to the masses not caring, they and many of us are funding the companies that are on the "Associations of America". We all fund them by buying media products after getting bombarded and brainwashed that "if you don't fit in with pop culture you'll have no life." Most people don't even know that some portion of the proceeds from the CDs, DVDs, software, etc.. is going towards securing profit by brainwashing us and our kids with pop culture with market driven morals, and another portion goes to securing laws against what we take for granted.

I bet all of the employees of these companies have also signed away the rights to ideas they've thought up in their spare time.

Re:Interesting...... (1)

sonomofo (600938) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067996)

He keeps asking "what have you done [to fight against these fuckheads like Valenti and Rosen]?" We're geeks and creators, not lawyers and politicians"
What would Jim Morrison say? "Yer' all a bunch of f*cking slaves!" Boycott -YES! You are only the minority if you think it and sleep on it. Then you wake up in the Morning as the Minority. It has never been a Free Society. Fight For Your Right to Parley.

Re:Interesting...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068063)

Sorry but i'm not very hopeful this can be changed.

Recreational drug users have been blocked from legally enjoying their drugs of choice for close to a 100 years or so (well obviously less for newer drugs). Anways i know what you are thinking "but drugs are bad, those people a losers, who cares about them, etc."

Well maybe in 2102 people will be saying the same thing about pirates, open source programmers and civilian infosec researchers. Sure these 3 are totally different groups but likewise are the different types of narcotics. People may look back and say "man can you imagine life before that DMCA and CBTPA passed? those nasty lowlife pirates could just steal any corps intellectual property how horrid. And those nasty open source programmers going around trying to undermine american values by giving out source code without certifying it with AOL-Microsft-GE Corp first!"

The internet is in the wild west period now, it is a new frontier and it will be tamed eventually, for better or worse. Sorry but i am not very optimistic. It's still worth fighting, but alas this stuff may realistically be a lost cause.

Sorry i wanted an inspirational conclusion or something, but i just don't have one. Oh, well i suppose prohibition was overturned...

That's the message you ... !! (2)

fferreres (525414) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068182)

Step 1: Free speech is in danger
Step 2: You can't do much alone
Step 3: Profit! (well, donations)

Ok, it's not a business plan, but only the EFF coordinated effort can aleviate the problem, so please donate if you can.

How do you eat an elephant? (3)

DoctorFrog (556179) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068200)

One bite at a time.

Keep talking to your friends. Show them articles you come across about the evil effects of laws like the DMCA. Bring some copies of your coolest personal CDs to work to play, and mention that you won't be able to make those copies much longer. If your co-workers don't believe in the existence of Tux, give them a Knoppix CD-ROM to play with.

Sure, most people are asleep, I've found that too, but it's a funny thing; every one who gets interested in this stuff starts talking to other people about it too.

Oh, and let's not forget; give your support to the EFF [eff.org] and others, write to your elected representatives, or if they're utterly hopeless like my own Sen. Hollings write to their opponents; try to persuade them over to the Light Side, offer them your support (financial and otherwise) if they do support your issues.

Remember, if you can't support them financially, maybe they could use some volunteer Web support, or an envelope stuffer. Have you been to your local library lately? Librarians are usually a pretty strong free-speech demographic, and library patrons are the kind of people you're likely to reach best. Make up CD-Roms with fun free games, useful utilities and some interesting presentations on important issues; give them away to everyone you meet.

It's not going to be effortless, but you're not as helpless as you think. You undoubtedly have skills and resources you haven't even touched yet.

That's nice but, (5, Insightful)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067814)

What have you done?

I just sent EFF $100. If we invoke "Chinese arithmetic" (anyone who's looked at a business plan involving China knows what I'm talking about- "if we could just capture .1% of the 1.x billion-person market) on the Slashdot masses, we should be able to buy us some politicians too!

Re:That's nice but, (5, Informative)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067951)

Don't mod me up - I'm at the karma kap.

Better idea: click on this link [eff.org] and open your wallet. Seriously. At least give them what you gave the MPAA & RIAA's members over the last few months.

Re:That's nice but, (2, Insightful)

SpamJunkie (557825) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068039)

Don't mod me up - I'm at the karma kap.

You're missing the point of moderation. Sure, it's nice to get karma but that's secondary to the function of letting me filter through all the crap that gets posted here.

Re:That's nice but, (2)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068103)

$65 gets you an EFF T-shirt. I gave them $35 last year, but I figure a T-shirt is a good reason to give them more. $100 gets you a hat AND a T-shirt. Expensive clothing, but at least you're helping to keep speech free on the Internet.

And keep up with the action alerts - You don't have to even write anything. Just click a couple buttons and a letter is faxed to your Senators.

Re:That's nice but, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068047)

As did I... I thought the presentation was great, and it motivated me to start sending EFF some support.

Re:That's nice but, (1)

dav (5309) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068201)

At OSCON someone (maybe it was in Lessig's keynote) asked "how much do you spend on protecting your rights and your freedom? And how much do you give telecommunications companies?"

I went to the EFF booth downstairs afterwards and signed up to have $25/month charged to my credit card. It's a start.

Heh (2, Funny)

zapfie (560589) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067820)

It is great. It requires Flash.

Don't those two statements contradict eachother?

*ducks*

Re:Heh (1)

llin (54970) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067875)

Funny I can understand, but why is this insightful? Can something automatically not be great if it's in Flash? It's an animated presentation w/ synced sound, not an ecommerce site. This is exactly the kind of thing that Flash was originally invent for.

Re:Heh (1)

zapfie (560589) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068149)

Yeah, I was going for funny, don't know why I got the insightful.. the presentation was great.. it's just that Flash gets so horribly used most of the time :)

Re:Heh (1)

*xpenguin* (306001) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067885)

not [earthlink.net] always [chello.nl] .

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068054)

knew someone would say it, let me guess you think MS operating systems suck too... how original =D

It is a good presentation (1)

Lioner (19663) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067841)

I really think this is a good presentation. It says what no one seems to be thinking about. When Open Source really becomes a threat to proprietary software, big companies will use every method to stop it. A lot of great Open Source Software will go to waste and we will continue, like it or not, to buy Microsoft -- Its easier than thinking.

Re:It is a good presentation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067861)

Bruce Sterling's speech said the same things.

But it was "fun, light reading", per the first moron to publically misinterpret it.

And then the Slashdot herd joined in with their collective inability to think.

Re:It is a good presentation (0)

AceCaseOR (594637) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068017)

Oh, Microsoft knows that Open Source has the potential to be a threat to them. It just hasn't gotten to a level where they can bring their army of lawyers against it. And even then, I don't think they'd be successful. After all, Open Source would, I suppose, be more difficult to destroy than p2p. p2p was like a Hydra (this may be a poor analogy), cut of one head (Napster) and two more (KaZaA, Gnutella) spring up. The difference is that Open Source has many, many heads to begin with. Microsoft and it's ilk could sue from now till doomsday and not make much of a dent.

here lessig speak (1)

listjunkie (583934) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067845)

If you want to hear Lessig speak I understand he is showing up at the fsf fundraising party tomorrow night hosted by affero. Here is the link.

http://www.affero.com/sf

Inspire me :) (0)

NetNinja (469346) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067847)

Very informative. Freedom is never free. A constant struggle against the tyrants who want to control everything. "2 legs bad 4 legs better" George Orwell, Animal Farm

Re:Inspire me :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067949)

oh man don't tell me the 1984 references are so played out around here that people are getting into animal farm. What's next bring out qoutes from To Shoot Elephant or something. Good grief.

8 M*B*. NOT 8Mb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067863)

Good grief.. Why are people using--more and more--the lowercase 'b' to abbreviate the word "bytes"?!

Re:8 M*B*. NOT 8Mb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067870)

Hey, here's an idea...

Maybe you should submit that question to Ask Slashdot.

You know, why a lower-case 'b' instead of an upper-case 'B'... ...hey....wait....

worth my time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067866)

Flash is never worth anyone's time.

So in other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067894)


Lawrence Lessig's Light Law Lesson Let Loose by Leonard Lin?

Download time (1)

I_am_Rambi (536614) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067913)

Worth your time and the 8Mb download.

I am running on a dialup, the fastest that I have ever connected is 32.xxx. I have a 56k modem, but my phone are bad, so they slow down the transmission. I average (on a good day) 1mb = 10 minutes. Let me see.

1mb = 10 min download time
8mb = 80 min download time

80 = 1 hour 20 min

The only time I am going to download something that big is when it is something I need, which isn't that often. I am not going to sit and wait that long just to see a flash animation. I don't think it is worth that long of wait.

Re:Download time (2, Interesting)

mathowie (18747) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067961)

If you donate $5 or more to the Eldred Legal Defense fund (at http://eldred.cc/howyoucanhelp/), you'll get a copy of a CD I created, with a copy of the website linked in the original post, as well as self-contained flash executables for windows and mac.

Re:Download time (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067988)

Hey, that's a pretty nifty idea!

Geez... I guess I'm so used to my crappy DSL line. I don't even blink at an 8 MB download. I used to though, when I still was on single channel ISDN.

I'll take a look at that site of yours. I don't need the CD. :)

Anyone interested in solutions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067917)

All I here are some poeple sounding off. Who is interested in finding solutions? How do we put pressure (the right kind of pressure) on our politians? How can we help them to make informed decisions? I for one am willing to put up my hand and become a technical assistant/consultant for any politian that is interested ...... any other ideas?

Re:Anyone interested in solutions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067936)

The ruling class doesn't care what the workers think my friend, they want to maximize profits only.

p2p mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067934)

It's being mirrored on the fastrack network. The file name is "free_culture.mp3", Title is set to "Free Culture", and Author is "Lawrence Lessig". Don't use KaZaA. Use KaZaA Lite.

MP3? (3, Funny)

wwwgregcom (313240) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067938)

Oh the irony, the audio is available exclusivly in MP3, this is an open source confrence

Re:MP3? (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067960)

Well, what stops you from making an Ogg Vorbis version of this?

The MP3 algorithms may be patented, copyrighted and regulated to hell and back, but the content sure isn't. I assure you it's perfectly allright to re-encode it to something more to your liking.

Re:MP3? (1)

thursdays (600940) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068160)

it might be slightly justified that mp3 is a much more accepted format. a broader audience could be reach by mp3 than by a less supported format such as ogg vorbis

This got lost in the diamond thread (0, Offtopic)

Foxman98 (37487) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067954)

This picture got lost all the way at the bottom of the diamonds' thread - but I really feel quite a few people might appreciate the humor.
nyways, this is why diamonds are worth it!

http://pics.steakandcheese.com/debeers.jpg

Heh.

p2p mirror (1)

Erpo (237853) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067964)

Whoops. Forgot the extras.

title=Free Culture
artist=Lawrence Lessig
category=Speech
language=English
year=20 02

Once again: KaZaA bad, KaZaA Lite good.

Re:p2p mirror (1)

martyn s (444964) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067984)

It's not showing up.

So we like Flash today? (1)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 12 years ago | (#4067991)

If I remember right, last time /. talked about flash there were 500 posts to the effect of 'Flash sucks donkey balls'.

Re:So we like Flash today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067999)

'Flash sucks donkey balls' for useful content you want to access regularly and need to get around easily (like a website etc). For everything else (like flash games and presentations) it's great.

Re:So we like Flash today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068109)

yeah it's k3wl to hate flash.

Re:So we like Flash today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068195)

Ya i like websites i visit to look like it's 1994.

I hate assholes that try to advance technlogy. That c++ bastard, those java pricks, and especialy adobe. PDF and Flash fucking suck i strictly use plaintext on my 32bit 1600x1200 display on my 21 inch monitor.

passthecrackpipe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4067994)

Looks like all the good slashdot member names are taken.

One thing I really liked.... (5, Insightful)

Malor (3658) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068073)

I really liked when he asked the audience.... (approximately): "who's donated to EFF?" "Ok, who has given as much money to EFF this year as they gave the cable monopolies for shitty bandwidth?"

I thought that was an awesome way to measure it. As far as I'm concerned, my bandwidth bill just doubled... any amount I spend on that, I'll match in donations to EFF.

Bandwidth means little without the freedom to use it.

Another unemployed Flash designer accounted for. (2, Insightful)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 12 years ago | (#4068086)

It is great. It requires Flash. [...] Worth your time and the 8Mb download.

Now I know what all those unemployed Flash designers are doing with their time.
Seriously, could this guy make it any more *difficult* for us to listen to his message.

Re:Another unemployed Flash designer accounted for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068181)

yeah 30k plugin that works for any browser under the sun other than lynx... real difficult :D

Re:Another unemployed Flash designer accounted for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4068202)

d00d t0 b3 r34lly 3l33t j00 g0tt4 h4t3 fl4sH!

I read it in 2600! Flash sux0rz!
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