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fp (-1, Offtopic)

rczyzewski (585306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070293)

fp failed again

snarf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070295)

I miss snarf.

Hiney burger (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070297)

Kiss my hiney burger, faggot.

Counting Cards (3, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070300)

Well, at least they're showing that they have some math skills (better than squeegee kids)

Old News (0, Offtopic)

lardcanoe (454975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070303)

My sister went to MIT years ago, and a lot of her friends did this,

for (;;) {
printf("and their friends did it...\n");
}

Re:Old News (2)

einer (459199) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070383)

Really old news:

This happened in the days of the single deck. This actually caused the use of the six deck shoot (or shoe or whatever).

I read the article in Wired, thought "Hey, I could do this" then realized that it can't be done anymore... Oh well... Anyone else know of any get rich quick schemes that work? ;)

Re:Old News (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070441)

Scientology.

Re:Old News (1)

p0six (23324) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070469)

When I went to vegas last month, there were still several places that still host single deck tables. Although those weren't "high roller" tables (I didn't even bother looking at those). You can't make a killing at these tables, but you could win a couple of hundred bucks, I guess.

too greedy? (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070502)

Anyone else know of any get rich quick schemes that work? ;)

You could probably do this, but of course, the trick to get rich quick schemes is to not get too greedy.

you could either get banned really quickly, get some seed money for what ever project, or cycle your 'leet card skilz so that you only skim your profits every once in a while. so that you come in under the radar.

Re:Old News (2, Insightful)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070508)

actually no - it didn't.

Beat the Dealer was written and that was all single deck - but the Wired Article is discussing the early to mid 90's with the MIT kids and they developed a system that would work on the 6 decks (involving several players that were to not look like they were in with each other).

Casinos will always catch on and prevent anything that is winning in their casino. They now have a few companies that have a database of people that they don't want in their casino, and then they can cross reference it with who these people checked in with, eat with, are seen with, etc.
This way they can see if people are in groups or not, instead of just random players together.

Re:Old News (1)

chill (34294) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070613)

"Can't" is a really strong word. A six deck shoe can be counted, especially if you are not trying to track every card but the ratio of high to low cards left in the shoe.

It isn't trivial, but it is possible for the well trained with a good head for numbers.

COMMON SENSE WARNINGS WHEN DEALING WITH A UFO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070304)

1. Do not touch or attempt to touch a UFO that has landed. Passing through the Earth's atmosphere the skin of the craft will be hot.

There is also a possibility of radiation. There is also a chance of steam being produced from the heated hull at the landing site.

2. Do not stand under a hovering UFO at low altitude. There is a possibility of radiation danger.

3. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ALIENS if they appear, any movement on your part may constitute an act of aggression. If possible, back away VERY slowly. Make no gestures what so ever.

4. If possible note the time and take a photograph if possible. Note the shape and size of the craft, use nearby objects for a size comparison.

5. Do not touch any artifact from an alien spacecraft, the artifact may be dangerous, leave this to the authorites.

6. Get away from the area QUICKLY. Inform the local authorites or the military.

Name Calling (1)

B1ackDragon (543470) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070305)

Techno-mag-turned-fashion-rag?
Whatever happened to newsources being unbiased?

Re:Name Calling (2, Informative)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070382)

There's no such thing as an unbiased news source, everyone's got an agenda.

Re:Name Calling (0, Offtopic)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070503)

amen

pf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070306)

pirst fost?

Mensa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070316)

There is a book that Mensa did on the odds of every game played out in vegas. Oddly enough blackjack turns out to be the largest of the odds maker.

Odds (0)

aes12 (580531) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070375)

Blackjack has long been known to have the closest to even odds. If you play smart, and can count into a 7 deck shoe, you can do really well, as long as you get lucky before the casino realizes what you're up to. It's a private business, and they won't hesitate to kick you out when you start to win consistently. Sadly, I am not one of those people.

Re:Odds (3, Interesting)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070409)

best odds on teh floor is bacarat, betting on the player, *truly* 50/50...

of course the game is as exciting as flipping a coin, but oh well...

second best is craps.

third is BJ

Re:Odds (1)

LightJockey (459672) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070594)

I'll agree with you there. Baccarat has no strategy. The next action is determined strictly by your current card count (i.e. More than 9, you stand, less than 9, you get a card) I remember doing a statistics report on baccarat and the odds are surprisingly good for the player.

Them MIT kids are SWUFT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070317)

So MIT has students that can count all the way to 52 now?

Man, that's progress!

Re:Them MIT kids are SWUFT! (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070333)

actually, 306 or 408, because the casinos use 6 to 8 decks shuffled together to make it harder for counters.

Re:Them MIT kids are SWUFT! (1)

spencerogden (49254) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070400)

Actually, with Blackjack at least it is good enough to know the relative counts of cards good for you to cards good for the dealer. So if you see an ace or ten, add one, small cards subtract 1. When you count is positive you bet higher, when it is negative you bet the minimum.

Re:Them MIT kids are SWUFT! (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070530)

Unfortunately, if you do this consistently, they'll be on to you as a card counter. That's why you've got to use a scheme with a bit more sophistication


Mind you, they should not be allowed to ban card counters ... but this brings up another thought - if you're counting the cards, then it's not a game of chance a.k.a. gambling (which is illegal) but a game of skill.

Re:Them MIT kids are SWUFT! (2)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070608)

not a game of chance a.k.a. gambling (which is illegal)

Have you ever even been to Vegas? Gambling IS legal there...

Can you imagine a casino setting up a game of skill, i.e., the swing the sledge-hammer and ring the bell? Every strong guy in the world could walk in and win money, and that's not good for business. There has to be a chance for the casino to win, or there's no point in them offering it.

So, this is what geeks look like at MIT :-) (4, Funny)

ziriyab (549710) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070323)

I know the names and pictures have been changed to protect the guilty, but wired should've at least tried to get some real geeks in those pictures :)

Re:So, this is what geeks look like at MIT :-) (2, Interesting)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070525)

yeah - they said in the article even that they used Asian kids because they drew less attention than white kids throwing around money.
the whole point was to not draw attention to their winnings.
then in the pic they have a bunch of frat boys.

bastards.

rich kids (-1)

TheBahxMan (249147) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070327)

I'd like to take the rich assholes and beat them with a GRiD 386 16. I mean FFS you're going to one of the most prestegious colleges in the world, your daddy bought you a new BMW, and you get to party 24/7 becuase your degree will naver matter anyway.

DIE.

I always knew (0, Flamebait)

af_robot (553885) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070339)

Those MIT kids just a bunch of Rain Men...

Jeez... hasn't this been going on for ever? (5, Informative)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070344)

Man... i swear we have nothing better to do... University people have been counting cards in casinos for years... I don't think this is anything totally profound... I know for a fact its been done for at least 40 years by geeks... Read Geeks 2.0: A History of the Internet for a good story about some people almost getting busted while trying to see if the doppler effect could be used to predict the landing of a roulette ball in play...

I smell a movie. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070350)

It's been done before to some degree... but Hollywood is unable to resist putting the words "Based on a true story" in their trailers.

We'll see...

150% returns to investors. (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070352)

This guy makes this card-counting ring sound like an action movie (something like Rounders, sorta). I think that Vegas in general is a place full of crooks, Casinos and players alike.

This was almost as bad as a Travel channel special on Vegas. It's an advertisement to the public trying to tempt them to go there.

If we tell them that THEY too can afford to lose money, they will come!

book recommendation (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070440)

"Can you win?" by Mike Orkin (Freeman Press- Scientific American) 'splains the odds of casino and sports betting games. Great writer, it's a book on statistics that is often hilarious.

Teaches you how to have hours of fun on the craps and blackjack tables without losing more the $20.

This issue of Wired, by the way, is just great. Expounds on water politics in western Asia and other stuff not discussed anywhere else. Well worth the yearly subscription of $10 to $12.

Re:150% returns to investors. (5, Interesting)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070565)

There was an article [kuro5hin.org] on Kuro5hin about a year ago dealing specifically with blackjack card counting, and it really is a fantastic read. It discusses the types of people that you find at the average casino, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.

The travel channel special is just the beginning though: There have been documentaries discussing the fact that the mega media companies, many of whom own one or more huge casinos in Las Vegas, imbue movies with pleasant impressions of casinos regularly: Seldom do you see a casino image that is row upon row of sad, lonely elderly people mechanically pulling the lever for hours on end, wearing diapers not because of incontinence but rather just to avoid having to leave their lucky slot machine (because a win is always just one pull away, right?). Instead it's playboys and girls: Brad Pitt/Jennifer Aniston types winning big.

Glazed over facts (4, Interesting)

Superfreaker (581067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070354)

The article states the current key issues in a passing sentence- that the chances of being able to do this are basically nil now. Not that they are watching, but that casinos use a 6 deck shoe that is shuffled 2/3 of the way through (before the real advantage begins). Having frequented Atlantic City, the process of counting cards in the privacy of home is one thing, doing it with bells, flashing lights, scantily clad cocktail waitresses, and the most important distraction, the other players, is quite another. The article was a fun read. Made me envious.

Re:Glazed over facts (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070416)

4 Deck shoes are prevelant in Las Vegas, with 2 Decks being out there if you stay away from the strip and and are willing to play with a higher minimum.

Another thing to remember is that counting cards only tilts the odds in your favor, so that in the very long run you may come out on top. In the short run, you are not that much better off.

When it comes to trying to win money, I'm as happy with a video black jack machine as I am at a table. But, I don't try to leave as a millionaire either and I'm more concerned with having a good time than anything.

Re:Glazed over facts (1)

Salden (571264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070559)

I thought they made it clear how they practiced by providing constant distratcions. They learned how to play a six deck show and even how to cut the cards so they could predict a string of low cards or aces. Genius!

Re:Glazed over facts (1)

Salden (571264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070599)

er, that's distractions and "shoe".. curse my sausage fingers!

Re:Glazed over facts (2)

gclef (96311) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070629)

And, to make things more complicated, some of the casinos in Las Vegas are now using shuffling machines. It's not clear how these machines work, but I'm sure the casinos are paying attention to the math research that shows that some shuffling techniques do not actually maximize randomness.

MIT Cost (2, Interesting)

SamiousHaze (212418) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070356)

Interesting to me that the kids who have the cash (or are given the cash) to go to MIT feel the need to try and rip off the casinos...

Re:MIT Cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070393)

Why? Rich people don't want money once they're rich? Scholarships don't exist? I fail to see the point of your post.

Re:MIT Cost (2, Informative)

paiute (550198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070410)

You don't have to have the cash. MIT is need-blind admissions. You just have to have the brains. MIT may be the closest thing to a meritocracy in higher ed. You can't buy your way in. Even if your dad built them a new building, you have the same chance to get in as the janitor's kid.

Re:MIT Cost (1)

endoboy (560088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070630)

"Even if your dad built them a new building, you have the same chance to get in as the janitor's kid."

HA!

Re:MIT Cost (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070506)

oh the casinos, won't someone please think of the poor cash starved casinos!!!!

Impure Mathematics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070363)

To prove once and for all that math can be fun, we present:
Wherein it is related how that paragon of womanly virtue, young Polly Nomial (our heroine) is accosted by that notorious villain Curly Pi, and factored (oh horror!!!)

Once upon a time (1/t) pretty little Polly Nomial was strolling across a field of vectors when she came to the boundary of a singularly large matrix. Now Polly was convergent, and her
mother had made it an absolute condition that she must never enter such an array without her brackets on. Polly, however, who had changed her variables that morning and was feeling
particularly badly behaved, ignored this condition on the basis that it was insufficient and made her way in amongst the complex elements. Rows and columns closed in on her from all sides.
Tangents approached her surface. She became tensor and tensor. Quite suddendly two branches of a hyperbola touched her at a single point. She oscillated violently, lost all sense of
directrix, and went completely divergent. As she tripped over a square root that was protruding from the erf and plunged headlong down a steep gradient. When she rounded off once more,
she found herself inverted, apparently alone, in a non-Euclidean space.

She was being watched, however. That smooth operator, Curly Pi, was lurking inner product. As his eyes devoured her curvilinear coordinates, a singular expression crossed his face.
He wondered, "Was she still convergent?" He decided to integrate properly at once.

Hearing a common fraction behind her, Polly rotated and saw Curly Pi approaching with his power series extrapolated. She could see at once by his degenerate conic and dissipative
that he was bent on no good."Arcsinh," she gasped. "Ho, ho," he said, "What a symmetric little asymptote you have I can see you angles have lots of secs."

"Oh sir," she protested, "keep away from me I haven't got my brackets on." "Calm yourself, my dear," said our suave operator, "your fears are purely imaginary."

"I, I," she thought, "perhaps he's not normal but homologous."

"What order are you?" the brute demanded.

"Seventeen," replied Polly.

Curly leered "I suppose you've never been operated on."

"Of course not," Polly replied quite properly, "I'm absolutely convergent."

"Come, come," said Curly, "let's off to a decimal place I know and I'll take you to the limit."

"Never," gasped Polly.

"Abscissa," he swore, using the vilest oath he knew. His patience was gone. Coshing her over the coefficient with a log until she was powerless, Curly removed her discontinuities.
He stared at her significant places, and began smoothing out her points of inflection. Poor Polly. The algorithmic method was now her only hope. She felt his digits tending to her asymptotic
limit. Her convergence would soon be gone forever.

There was no mercy, for Curly was a heavyside operator. Curly's radius squared itself; Polly's loci quivered. He integrated by parts. He integrated by partial fractions. After
he cofactored, he performed runge - kutta on her. The complex beast even went all the way around and did a contour integration. What an indignity - to be multiply connected on
her first integration. Curly went on operating until he completely satisfied her hypothesis, then he exponentiated and became completely orthogonal.

When Polly got home that night, her mother noticed that she was no longer piecewise continuous, but had been truncated in several places But it was to late to differentiate now. As
the months went by, Polly's denominator increased monotonically. Finally she went to L'Hopital and generated a small but pathological function which left surds all over the place and
drove Polly to deviation.

The moral of our sad story is this: "If you want to keep your expressions convergent, never allow them a single degree of freedom."

That's been done before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070373)

There have been plenty of documents written on how to beat the house, especially in blackjack. The only problem is that as long as you make small bets and win, you're fine, because people see chips gathering on your side of the table. The casino's like that. As soon as you try to wager a significant amount of money and win, you'll likely get banned.

Seven Figures In College? (2, Funny)

Myriad (89793) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070396)

I wish I could have made seven figures while I was still in college.

I don't know about you Timothy, but I wouldn't mind making seven figures now.

Re:Seven Figures In College? (5, Funny)

Scaba (183684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070492)

What are you talking about? I make seven figures right now.

Of course, two of those figures are to the right of the decimal point...sigh.

Card counting is fair (-1, Flamebait)

dh003i (203189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070398)

Greedy fucks at Casino's. They rig the game against you so that you basically can't win (i.e., house has 90% advantage).

Then, when a few smart people (maybe one out of 1000) come along who can count cards and actually break even or better, they bitch and whine.

Its just a technique -- a legal one, as opposed to casino's illegal techniques of winning. Look in Hoyle's rule-books on cards. They won't mention anything about it being illegal to count cards. However, their rules for blackjack don't set it up so that the dealer has a 90% advantage.

By the way, does anyone here really think that the dealers don't count the cards? Bullshit. You know damn well they do.

Furthermore, casinos have a number of tactics to foil card-counting, such as cutting the deck, starting a new deck, or mixing in several decks.

Doesn't matter if they count them or not... (4, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070425)

Dealers have to follow the house rules no matter what they think the next card may be.

If they have a hand below 17, they have to hit, no matter what If the table's rule is hit on soft 17, they have to hit no matter what. Doesn't matter if they know you've got a blackjack, or they're positive the next card is going to bust them.

You're right, though, card counting is perfectly legal. Most casinos don't have a problem with it until you start to win a lot. At that point, they can't have to arrested, but they have no obligation to allow you to keep playing.

(Also, the house advantage isn't anywhere near 90%, its a couple percent at best, depending on the rules you end up playing with)

Re:Doesn't matter if they count them or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070431)

Actually, card counting is illegal in Las Vegas.

Re:Doesn't matter if they count them or not... (5, Informative)

NoData (9132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070554)

NO. Card counting is legal both in New Jersey and Nevada. See, for example, this [gamingfloor.com] article.

However, the Nevada courts have ruled that as private clubs, the casinos can refuse business or openly discriminate (employ counter-measures like bet capping, early re-shuffling, etc.) against any player for any reason. Counting will get you kicked out, good counting can even get you banned, but it won't send you to jail.

In New Jersey, on the other hand, courts have ruled that gambling can only take place on games of PURE CHANCE and not SKILL. If the casinos tried to press the fact that a cheater counted cards to gain an advantage in court, they would be admitting blackjack is a game of skill, which is illegal. Thus, casinos are on a slippier slope if they try to kick someone out for counting, because a gambler could take his "skilled play" claim to the courts. That's part of the reason Atlantic city casinos almost exclusively play giant 6-deck shoes with maybe 2/3 penetration (reducing counting advantage to near NILL) and never the two-deck and even one-deck gems you see in the West.

Re:Doesn't matter if they count them or not... (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070484)

see that is a problem for me.

That was like the time that a bartender wouldn't serve me anymore because I wouldn't "ask nicely for drinks".

I am paying for a service. Just b/c I am winning a lot does NOT mean that I have not paid my dues in the past or in the future. Their job is for MY entertainment. When they kick you out for card counting they usually notify other Casinos in the area of your activities and you are watched there as well.

You are there for entertainment, not to get shunned from every Casino b/c god forbid they lose some of the billions of dollars they make every year.

Re:Doesn't matter if they count them or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070544)

Actually it does - in hand held games (1 or 2 decks, ordinarily the best to count at), the dealer can shuffle when the count situation is favorable to the player. Even in "shoe" games, the dealer or pit boss can often find an excuse to shuffle up. This is effectively cheating, not only against the counting player, but all other players at the table.

Re:Doesn't matter if they count them or not... (1, Troll)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070638)

If they have a hand below 17, they have to hit, no matter what

I should know... my father was a blackjack dealer, and he hit me until I turned 17... :-)

Re:Card counting is fair (3, Insightful)

msheppard (150231) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070477)

The house does NOT have a 90% advantage. If they did, no one would play. The house has a very small advantage, but it's more than enough. A 1% advantage at a table where a million dollars moves through the betting circles is a $10k profit, every night! And this small percentage is the STATISTICAL advantage the house has if the players all play perfectly, and they DON'T, they take chances, especially when they are loosing, so it definatly adds up to a big profit for the casino.

Smart people should realize this and will understand that gambling against a casino is a form of entertainment, not something you should ever expect to profit at.

Now, playing cards with your buddies, then your putting your wits up against someone you know... that's REAL entertainment!

M@

Some advice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070526)

Learn to spell "definitely" properly - your arguments will sound much more convincing when you don't write like a half-wit.

Re:Card counting is fair (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070598)

actually he is right. the way casinos have it rigged now, the game is largely in their favor.
by counting, you can push it over to being slightly in your favor.

but then the dealers also count, and they double deal (I forget the term, but I think that is it - it is when they get to a card in the deck that they like - an Ace most likely - then they hold it on top and then pull out cards from underneath it to deal out until they get to someone that they want to deal the good card to - either themselves or another player that is either casino affiliated or paying them off - if it is the latter, then they are likely to get hurt).
also they will reshuffle frequently if they see you are counting (even with many decks).

if the casino was playing by the rules, then the game would have strict statistical routines - but they cheat - it will be in their favor over time.

Re:Card counting is fair (1)

LoRider (16327) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070479)

Dealers don't count cards. Why would they? The odds on in the casinos favor already. I know someone who is a blackjack dealer and he couldn't care less if you win or lose, he just deals the damn cards.

But you are correct casinos are just being dicks. Why would it be illegal to count cards? It's your to win and it's their job to make you lose.

Re:Card counting is fair (1)

the way, what're you (591901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070539)

By the way, does anyone here really think that the dealers don't count the cards? Bullshit. You know damn well they do.

Furthermore, casinos have a number of tactics to foil card-counting, such as cutting the deck, starting a new deck, or mixing in several decks.

If the second paragraph is true, then how can the dealer count cards, as you claim? I'm genuinely curious.

Re:Card counting is fair (5, Interesting)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070573)

Sorry, I couldn't let this go

Greedy fucks at Casino's. They rig the game against you so that you basically can't win (i.e., house has 90% advantage).

If you were to go to The Wizard of Odds [thewizardofodds.com] You'll notice that the house edge in most games is not 90%. It's more like 2-3%. They know that people are not stupid, and while some games are horribly rigged (Slot machines for example) most of them will give out 97% of what they take in...that 3% they keep is what lets you get a luxury room for $20 / night.

Then, when a few smart people (maybe one out of 1000) come along who can count cards and actually break even or better, they bitch and whine.

Execpt that one person can literally bring down the whole casino if they have an edge. Pretend that you can win 52% of the time. It takes one minute to play one round of blackjack. If you're making $100 dollar bets, you'd be making $240 / hour off of the casino. And to think that they don't let you get away with it.

Its just a technique -- a legal one, as opposed to casino's illegal techniques of winning. Look in Hoyle's rule-books on cards. They won't mention anything about it being illegal to count cards. However, their rules for blackjack don't set it up so that the dealer has a 90% advantage.

I won't debate that card counting is legal, as long as you don't use a computer or calculator. And you're right, they don't set it up so that the dealer has a 90% advantage. The advantage is that the dealer wins should both the dealer and the player bust. There are other little differences as well, but it's not overwhelming.

By the way, does anyone here really think that the dealers don't count the cards? Bullshit. You know damn well they do.

Dealers play by a set of rules. Hit on 16 or lower. Stand on 17 or higher. That's it. Not much card counting.

Furthermore, casinos have a number of tactics to foil card-counting, such as cutting the deck, starting a new deck, or mixing in several decks.

You mean they try to randomize a game of chance? They MUST be cheating

Everyone knows there is a house advantage in the casinos. When you enter a casino, you're on private property, and thus have to play by their rules. If you don't like those rules, you can go to another casino whose rules you like. But good luck finding a casino that will let you cheat.

That's where the money went (1)

gyrojoe (600717) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070403)

Maybe the reason they need to rip off the casinos is because they've spent all their money on tuition.

Re:That's where the money went (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070540)

actually, the article says that many of them dropped out in order to spend more time doing this and practicing.

How to Lay a Girl (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070411)

A. Purpose of this guide.

Firstly, this isn't a joke guide. All the methods described here are working, and with not too much difficulties.

Don't expect that you will be able to lay a girl in one week. Not with this guide anyway. If you have the time, patience, and some manners, you will succeed.

I don't pretend to be a big expert in girls; I'm not. But after some experience with them, I can provide you some information that can help you, with the first moves between he's and her's business.

I will happily update this guide and improve it, with your help, of course. Please send me comments and please help to make it better.

B. The first meets

I believe you have a girlfriend you can experiment with. If you don't, find one. For those purposes, every mid looking girl will suit. Every one can owe a girlfriend, and it's not the time and place to explain how to reach one. (maybe in the next "completed guide of...").

If you don't have a girlfriend yet, at least try to achieve a meet with one.

If you want to continue seeing this girl you have to remember the following:

* Don't make a physical connection on the first dates (don't kiss her goodbye and don't hug her )

* Let her talk. If she has a lot to say - just listen. A node with the head and some leading questions will do.

* If she is permanently silent you can always ask her about:
- herself (hobbies ext.)
- school (although it seems to be boring, you can talk hours on this subject)
- her musical prefers (If she mentions an artist that you dislike, don't show it to her. Just hide it.
- tell her about yourself.
- ask her if she knows x & y from her school.
- and the most important: don't answer with yes or no. those above are chat-stoppers. Expand you speech.
- tell her jokes
- remember to have a lot of humour - they like it.
- very important : don't be serious.
- Mind your manners: don't talk rudely nor curse.
- smile : release the tense.

If all the above fail, and you can't find common language with her, you Probably won't keep with her long time.

* Where to go at the first time:

- movie (let her choose, but don't insist on doing so) You can talk about the movie latter. Pay for you both. (as it's obvious). If she's ok, she will insist on paying on herself.
- go for a walk
- meet at one of your homes. (It's better on her home - she'll feel more relaxed and free)
- party : if available
- School - only if you learn in the same school

* If you enjoyed her company, tell her so. Tell her that you enjoyed, and you want to see her again. Before the end of the meet, fix yourselves a new date (fix it on the same evening)exchange telephones, ofcourse.

* Flatter her, but know your limits. Flatter to her nice sides. (Every one has some). Tell her how nice she is. Flatter to her looks (If you at least find her attractive). Don't say to her "You are the most beautiful girl I ever so"- It sounds non-natural.(She's Probably not.)

* If she plays (love-games) a little - please understand. we'll close the bills later...

* Don't bother her with too much telephone calls. Be cool at the first meets, or she'll take advantage over you. Show her you interested, but not desperate.

How will you know if you are friends or not? here are some ways:

- Hear what her girlfriend thinks about your connection.(For instance: If she meets her girlfriend in the street, and the above askes if she is your girlfriend - hear what she says (it's an embarrassing moment - from experience...)
- Enter phrases that assume that she is you girlfriend in your talkes to her. (not infront of her and your friends) See how she react to those statements.

The first physical connection. There are two ways establishing it:

* The spontaneous way: Kiss her goodbye (not in the first date - she'll appreciate it if you'll have patience.) In the following date take you hands together. It's very romantic. Dance with her in one of your homes. Dance is a kind of hug, and it the middle of this slow song - kiss here. (she might be shy in public, so understand her, and do this critical steps in public garden or other quiet place.)

* The non-spontaneous way: Lead her to non-public and quiet place (i.e. garden) look in her eyes and silent for a moment or so. She, understanding the moment, will silent too. Approach her head with yours, and gently kiss her a few times on her mouth. Hug her. (BTW, this the recommended way).

By this time, if she is with you, you'll understand that she likes your company. If she didn't, you won't reach that stage. If she likes you (or love you - in the better case), she would more then hugs and kisses -- but don't hurry. You should have patience. You should reach the bed only by small steps.

C. Phase I - "I like you"

You (both) will start to say compliments to each other. Don't say you love her if you don't feel anything to her. Choose the right moment of doing so.

Imagine the situation: You tell her "I Love you.". She, likes you very much, but the way to love is still long. She will be in shocking situation. If she'll say "I love you too" and she doens't mean it - you will both leave in lie. If she'll be silent, you will Probably have bad feelings -- "She doesn't love me at all.."

You can say to her "I like you/your looks/your style." This isn't strong as "love". Love is very strong word. Don't use it when not needed.

Some guys say to their girls that they love them - They think she will jump to the bed right a way. Although she will try to show you her greetings, don't expect to much. She's just a girl, and if she is between younger then 16. she's Probably virgin.

Bring her flowers & presents some time - it will mean very much to her. If you like to write, write her love letters. Bring her audio cassette with love songs - she'll remember you and connect you to them.

D. Phase II The body language

You are now on the kings way.

You should talk about sex by this time. Ask her what she thinks about it. (Don't involve doing sex with YOU). Ask her about sex generally. Ask her what is the appropriate age for doing it.

Start investigating her body - only in one of your homes. After you kiss her you should get to a situation where you are laying one infront of another (on the bed)

Let your hand travel over her body Don't touch between her legs - do the things in the order below.

Sneak you hand under her skirt and pat her back. If she wears a bra put you hand under the stripe (the one above her back - but don't open it - let your hand travel under the bra surface and forward to her tits. Don't touch hard there - it hurts. If she resists get you hand out of there quickly. We will continue later with this. Give her 10 minutes of rest from the last event. Talk about something else. (Remember - Don't ask her why she resists. Just ignore.)

Another area you should quest is her ass. Pat it gently - Stack you hand gently under her trousers and move your hand more deeply every time. She'll Probably resist or do sounds of disagreement. Remember - Even if she says she's not - She like your touches there. By this time you should be friends for 1-2 months or so - you know each other enough for those games.

After few meets doing the above, you can try removing her bra. The fastest you do it-the better she won't say anything. Don't ask her too remove it by herself - You're on you own now. after you opened it, don't ask her to totally remove it (not at the first time, at least).

Now it's a very important moment. Remember to close the lights, and get blanket from somewhere. Move you hand down to the area of her cunt. (all with clothes, of course). Pat her near it - but don't touch it directly. She'll bag in her mind from you to do it. After a few minutes of doing so, (Don't forget to kiss her all the times...she's not a sex machine)

Move your hand directly to there. You might feel some bones there (and by this time you are wondering where the hall is)

Don't ask her if it's good to her. It is. Your touch there is just like an electrical shock - it's very pleasuring.

If she's OK, she will do the same to you, so you will both feel perfect understand of each other. She might resist to your touch, but -believe me- if you'll stop toucing there for a meet or so, she will curse herself. The next time you'll try - you won't hear a hiss.

Now...open her trousers. If she'll resist ask her what she afraids from. What can possibly happen? Start patting her cunt harder and with circulating movements. (she is still with her underwear -- don't remove it!)Have patience and control yourself. If she'll like what you are doing there, and she's OK, she will do the same to you. Don't hide your erect penis. You can't. But she'll will be amazed from the quick reaction...

Now your hand is there - circulating over her underwear. The best way of directly touching it is to "accidently" insert a finger under her underwear. (Do it from her legs side) She want resist...don't insert a finger in the hole - It can hurt even if she isn't virgin. Remove you fingers from there and insert full hand from her stomach side. Lay your forehand on her hair, and let the fingers play a little down there. Try to locate her clitoris - this is the mega power station of emotions... (Open the little lips of her cunt and travel up until they meet (the lips) there should be there an small organ (About 2-3 cm) - remember:Don't touch there to long - it is the most enjoying organ there, but it's not the only.

Don't forget to kiss her all the times. You can lick her tits nipples (not all the girls will let you doing so in that stage)Kiss her under her neck and lick her hear.

Continue touching her there. The lights are off, but try to look if her eyes are closed. If they are - she's enjoying. If not, continue patting her there - her eyes will be closed immediately.

Try to concentrate on her (girls like attention) but if she wants to pleasure you let her doing so. Remember - don't expect to much from her. You are the leader in the bed.

Try to give her an orgasm. A few minutes of direct squeezes at her clitoris will do. If it doesn't - ask her what will make her good there. Let her instruct you, but don't insist on it. If she has a serial of convulsions - she reached it (with your help of course). After that she will feel free to do it to you...

After the next meet she will take a talk with you. She'll say that she don't like what you've reached ("..I think we are getting to much close to it..."). Ask her "What do you afraid of?? You had fun didn't you? Look. I don't rowing anywhere. I don't know if I want to it yet (I mean full sex)". She'll be convinced. She won't start with it when you are doing so- she have to much pleasure...

You are both naked now, beside of your underwear (I hope). Now - lay on her. Curse the existence of your lower underwear - Loudly. Lay her on her back. Massage her for 10 minutes. Kiss her back. Now - Remove her underwear completely - she'll fill safe because she is on her stomach. (No danger of actual intercourse). Remove your pants. Lay on her (She still upside down -remember?) She will Probably feel great and hot. Rub your penis against her ass chicks. Say to her "would you like me to take some safety percations?". She'll say "What do you mean?" answer her: "I almost finished...". Pull a condom from somewhere (I bet it waited a long time...)and put it. Lay again over her and make some moves. Now - Rotate her so she'll lay on her back again. Lay over her. Fiddle with her cunt a little and try to insert your penis. If she'll say "don't insert" - say "ok", wait and retry.

If it doesn't enter, open her lips with your two hands and try again. If she is virgin, it will Probably hurt her a little so please be patient and if you are powerful, wait for the next meet. (In the next meet throw your parents of your house for the day). If it still hurts her, try to expend her virgin membrane with your fingers. (There IS a hole there - even if she is totally virgin. All you have to do is expend it a little).

What if it doesn't work - There are few possibilities:
- You tried to move too forward with not too much time.
- She's totally cold (Frigid). Find someone else.
- She isn't ready yet. Convince her. "What do you have to loose?" remember that you must make yourself credit from hers side
- She is afraid of pregnancy : Wait, or convince her that you will take a reliable anti-pregnancy device. (Tell her that you'll take condoms; If she's virgin, this is the only possibility).

If she is totally afraid, but want to try sexual intercourse, convince her to take anti-pregnancy pills. It is vey hard for anyone to admit befor a strange person that you're making sexual intercoures; try to understand. BTW, the doctors usually don't "insert hands" today. (They just test blood pressure and heart beat rate)

She will give you examples of girls that she READ about that used anti-pregnancy devices that failed; tell her "Did you hear about all the intercourses which didn't end with pregnancy ?" and "Why are you so negative about it? it's positive thing!"

- If all above fails and she still don't want it, wait. or....merry her...

All the procedure described here (From totally start) Should Take about 3 months. If you're thinking that you are moving to quick, slow the rate.

Ripping off the Casinos? Nope (4, Insightful)

evilned (146392) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070412)

Sorry, but counting cards is not illegal, its not cheating. Its just a highly developed way to play blackjack. Now the casino's have the right not to let you play for what ever reason they decide, but they can't arrest you for counting cards, they can only kick you out and ask you not to come back. Considering its one of the only ways the house can be beaten legitimately, I say more power to anyone that does this.

Re:Ripping off the Casinos? Nope (1)

Heywood Yabuzof (255017) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070640)

Yes, but what the article is talking about is an organized team of people - several counters, several players - all working together. Wouldn't that be cheating? If you can go up to a blackjack table and by yourself count cards in a six-deck game, then yes, more power to you. Once you start organizing a group of people to help you do it, it becomes a little less "innocent".

I know it's a small distinction, but I think that the moment you move away from one individual's math and observation skills, and towards a team approach you have crossed the (admittedly fuzzy) ethical line between skill and cheating.

Quote (5, Funny)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070418)

To quote an old freind of mine : "Whats the point in counting cards, you know there are always going to be 52."

Cheating Roulette (2, Interesting)

plasticpixel (323537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070421)

The article was a great read. It reminds me of a story about some 'techies' that built the shoe computer that helped them predict where a Roulette marble would drop. Apparently they would use the computer to calibrate the wheel's spin and the marble against each other and then try to calculate the region of the wheel the ball would land. I figure that if you can at least know which half of the wheel you're going to land the marble in, you've already got a hedge on the house. If anyone has any links to that story please post.

Someone should make a "Ocean's Eleven" style movie about this type of stuff.

Personally, I stick to Craps. The odds are nearly even if you stick to the Pass line. Most people I've seen playing the game love to play all the sucker bets instead. At least I usualy walk out with my original money in my pocket and a few free beers in my tummy. :)

Re:Cheating Roulette (4, Informative)

bovinewasteproduct (514128) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070549)

Craps, my game...:)

Actually, with a free-odds bet, both pass and don't pass are in your favor by a small margin (about 4 percent). Stay away from anything in the center and you'll be fine...:)

The three games I play in a casino are, in order, craps, pai-gow poker and baccarat, all three are low house odds. Baccarat is rare, just when I feel lucky. The other two I can play for hours on a couple of hundred dollars, just soaking up comps having fun.

If you just out to have fun, the big secrets are, one, be polite ,and two, always tip the dealer; they will remember it! At craps play this helps alot...:)

BWP

Re:Cheating Roulette (1)

NoData (9132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070610)

Yes, this is the Eudaemonic Pie [ucsc.edu] referred to in the story post.

K-Mart sucks (0, Offtopic)

kippy (416183) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070438)

your boxers are on the highway

Re:K-Mart sucks (1)

miked50 (466948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070633)

How could they post this OT? Didn't they see Rain Man... Hell even the article mentioned Rain Man.

"Tell'em Ray..."
"K-Mart Sucks"

Ben Mezrich!!!! (2, Informative)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070448)

It's funny how nobody noticed who wrote the story.

Ben Motherfucking Mezrich. One of the best young fiction writers out there. According to the footnote it says he turned to writing non-fiction and his new book on this^ particular subject.

If you're unfamiliar with his works, I encourage anybody to check out Fertile Ground, Treshold and Reaper [amazon.com] which rips on Microsoft-like organization and their set-top devices in a really good techno-suspense novel.

Apparently he's back. And it's good news.

Sure, there's good money in BlackJack... (1)

GoodWebDesigns (599819) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070450)

...but the real money is in the nickel slots. I just need to win 500,000 more nickels and I'll have my MIT tuition covered.

Security Guards... (5, Funny)

Frank of Earth (126705) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070451)

"The guard doesn't seem to be bothered by the bulges under my clothes. He waves me through the metal detector, and I stumble toward my gate."

Thank god he didn't try to hide the money in his shoes!

Good luck (1)

xbrownx (459399) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070452)

Just be careful they don't catch you trying to count the cards.

You might find yourself without the use of your kneecaps...

Carmack (5, Interesting)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070456)

Long time readers will remember when John Carmack won $20K at blackjack [planetquake.com] . Then donated it to the FSF.

"It takes a small amount of skill to know the right plays and count the cards..."

Not TOO hard. (4, Interesting)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070470)

I live in Vegas, and I actually know a guy that can do this, and can really clean up at a Blackjack table. It's not about actually remembering every card's place in the deck and trying to predict when the card will come up, it's about trying to predict when face cards will come up. Their's actually a rhythm/pattern to it while you're watching the cards come out, so a REAL easy way to spot someone doing this is to look for someone that's trying to use a make-shift metrinome, like someone rolling a chip in their hands or tapping the table in a specific, contantly-repeating pattern. Pit Bosses can spot this shit through a hurricane, so unless you can count in your head, you're fucked(it seems simple, but it's hot, noisy, and if you're cheating, you're probably pretty nervous).

It's important to note that it's not like Rainman where you're going to be able to say a 10 of hearts is coming up next, or anything specific like that. You just want to be able to predict with good odds that a face card is going to be up soon. A lot of tables, however, use multiple decks, so it gets pretty hard. Extremely high-roller tables have even been known to use a new deck for every hand. Most tables, though, just have a big plastic holder with 6 shuffled decks inside.

It's really not that hard, and my friend can make about $5,000 a weekend on average, but remember, you may have to sit at a table for 8 hours a day for 2 days to make this kind of money, but hell, that's a work schedule, and a $1,000 a day isn't bad. Just remember, the trick to not getting caught is don't be a stupid fuck. Don't come in a 10am, play the $5 dollar tables, and 2 hours later be raking in at the $1,000 tables, or they'll nail your ass. If they even SUSPECT your cheating, they'll take the money, kick you out, and you can't do shit about it(what are you gonna do, sue them for the money you came there with?). And this is a at nice casino. God help you if you cheat at a shady casino.

Re:Not TOO hard. (2, Insightful)

Wolfier (94144) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070627)

For what's worth, please reconsider your wording. In no sense is card counting "cheating".

Not so strange.. (4, Interesting)

unorthod0x (263821) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070473)

I've met several people who have a very strong technology background and are card counters too (one of them happened to hail from MIT) - this was a few years ago, and some of them went on to create their own .com's, which ended up booming, then folding but ultimately paying out a princely sum to these individuals.

What are they doing now? Hopping around the continent to the few casinos that haven't banned them yet and making the big bucks, though as they tell me the pickings are getting slimmer as it's just a matter of time until they get the boot and they're running out of casinos to pillage. Either way, they've got plenty of money, so it's not a major concern, but it seems as if the appeal of a casino-hopping lifestyle ended up catering to their likes more than technology. Sure, they have all the latest do-dads and high tech gadgets to play with as a result of their financial adventures, but their pursuit of technology seemed to ultimately take a back seat to lounge singers and blinking lights :)

At least in my experience none of these people made a direct correlation between their technology and card counting pursuits. Most were interested in card counting before ever hitting an "enter" key, but they are brilliant coders nonetheless.. Perhaps card counting begets good programmers, not the other way around?

The mob loves it when you cheat em.... (2)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070509)

Haven't these geeks seen Casino? Personally I would prefer to have my limbs intact. As for this article, all it will do is get people who have know idea what they are doing into counting cards, they will lose money etc etc etc. Gambling is fun, Vegas is fun, but you aren't going to make money off it, no matter how many cards you count, and if for whatever reason you make a lot of money, the casino or whatever power that rules will make sure you don't keep it long.

Re:The mob loves it when you cheat em.... (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070619)

if you are just mentally counting, then they won't hurt you. they will just ask you to leave and intimidate you - but they have some degree of respect for the mental issue.

but if they catch you with a computer or any physical device that is helping you... then, well - at best you will lose the device, and at worst... a lot more.

Kuro5hin? (5, Interesting)

legLess (127550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070515)

This reminds me of a series of K5 articles a while back: "A Casino Odyssey." The articles are longer than the Wired story, and told from a first-person perspective. Fascinating stuff:

After actually READING the article... (1)

Bozar (458678) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070522)

I noticed that nothing that they are doing on the blackjack side is new. It has been possible to make money counting cards at blackjack forever, except that the casinos will blacklist you and then you're screwed. OTOH what they are doing is social engineering - they make it look like they aren't counting cards so they can continue. And they are slightly better at counting cards than the average guy. When they are doing this with millions of dollars, of course their return is good and consistant. BUT - if their scheme was so great then why don't they have more money??? The main subject of the article only had 1 to 5 million bucks, which isn't that much considering. If it was a truly groundbreaking idea, he would have a lot more than that. I know i sound like the regular slashdot "nothing to see here" post and i'm sorry but i think the article sensationalizes something that isn't very special, even if it is an interesting read.

My grand-pappy (2)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070523)

my grandfather, a well-known math textbook author counted cards. He tried it quite a bit as an experiment, and used some stuff in his books. Shame he never told me wether he won anything

Gambling against casinos (2)

msheppard (150231) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070533)

I think it's a fun game, playing these kinda tricks against casinos, actually out-smarting them. That it's totally legal is even better. That the casinos don't like it is another bonus.

Reminds me of hearing people talk about slot machines, and how they see people watching them to see which ones are paying off, and all the LOL's (little old ladies) sitting in front of them pumping their social security in. The thought that one machine would start "paying off," is kinda funny. Do you think the casinos don't know about this? They WANT you to think you are seeing a pattern and they WANT you to try to use it, becuase in the end you are going to loose some money, and they will get it. The slot machines are all computer controlled, and it's not just "pay out %99 of what you get in," it's probably programmed to appear to have a pattern, anything to get you to keep playing.

Gambling against casinos is entertainment, possible some exersize for the LOL's as well, but in the end money moves from the customer to the casino. If you're having fun in the process than it's worth it. Realize that when you walk in... don't become a Marge Simpson.

M@

BS Alert! (2, Funny)

Joseph Vigneau (514) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070534)

Fifty thousand dollars strapped to each thigh. A hundred thousand dollars, in 10 bricks of hundreds, taped across my upper back. Fifty thousand more Velcroed to my chest.

...I stroll through Logan International Airport....There's enough money hidden under my clothes to buy a two-bedroom condo.

Uh, not in Boston. You'll be lucky to get a converted basement in Roxbury with only 200 grand.

And I really doubt if you can get all of that through airport security; they've tightened up quite a bit at Logan... Then again, the article doesn't mention the risk of being "randomly" picked at the gate, either.. But then again, this story seems to have happened more than a year ago...

slightly OT... (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070541)

some years ago I saw a Discovery channel-type show on casino security. aside from all the cameras watching for card swappers and slot tamperers and such, a casino in atlantic city once hired a consultant to check their machines.

The casino had a game similar to the lottery where you had to guess a set of numbers, 8 in this case. A friend wearing a wire watched two rounds, relaying the 16 numbers in order to the truck with the consultant in it. That was all it took to crack the PRNG. Through the friend, they then played the game using the next 8 numbers, and hit it on each one. Naturally, the casino was curious given that such an event had never happened before. The best anyone until then had done was like 3. They got caught by their own demise -- they asked that cash be delivered to their hotel room, which allowed the casino to see who actually won. Had they cashed out the winnings on the spot, they probably would have gotten away with it.

Nowadays, however, if you have a large enough winning, you can ask the casino to write out a check and mail it to you. I live near Atlantic City, and every now and then you hear of someone being followed home and getting mugged (once someone was killed) in their driveway. Granted, it's rare for that to happen, about once every 5-10 years or so, but the risk is enough that I think people would rather not carry a large sum home.

John Carmack was barred (1)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070562)

I remember reading that John Carmack was barred from playing backjack in some Vegas Casino a few years ago.

Foxwoods (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070568)

all of the Vegas casinos track who you are and how often you are there and when you win and such (well, all of the big ones).
they have shared access to a huge database of people that go through there. images, room data, game data, etc etc.

atlantic city was behind in getting to this - but they do it now.

the only casino that doesn't track you, as of within the past year or so at least, is Foxwoods (I think in CT).
as long as you aren't coming in everyday and winning tons, they are pretty laid back about it.

Targeted advertising (1)

photonic (584757) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070569)

After reading the story and closing the window, the exit pop-up invites me to take a bet at some online casino...

banned in Atlantic City (4, Interesting)

jpostel (114922) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070574)

One of the guys I used to work for was a statistics professor at Farleigh Dickenson University a while back. He has been banned from most (if not all) the casinos in Atlantic City. He goes out to Reno and Las Vegas every once in a while for a business trip and plays. When I told him where I was going for my honeymoon (St. Lucia), he asked me to find out if they had casinos.

The trick with most predictive statistics based winning is that there is also significant losing involved. He told me not to bother unless I have several thousand dollars to lose.

My experience in London... (2)

slykens (85844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070576)

Like most Americans the idea of a "members only" casino is quite foreign, but the casinos in London require you to "join". You can't go for the first 24 hours after you join but the minute past you're more than welcome.

During my last trip to London one of the gentlemen I was there with had arrived a few days earlier and joined a casino. One evening we decided to go play. In about four hours of basic strategy play I was up nearly £300 on £10 and £15 bets. My buddy who wasn't playing any strategy was up £600 at one point but lost it all playing £100 bets. I left with my profits but when we returned the next night we were told we were no longer welcome there.

Now I wasn't card counting, I don't know if I was doing something that looked like I was, but I am sure they didn't like me taking £300 from them then wanting to come back for more.

gotta love pop-up ads (1)

jpmoney (323533) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070587)

After clicking the link to wired I got a pop-up for an online casino. Gotta love it.

This smells like more advertisment. (0)

iamwoodyjones (562550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070591)

Right when Vegas is needing more people to roll in due to their recent all time low revenue, slashdot points to a nice article that was probably put into wired just to get more people to Vegas.

Argument for an encrypted filesystem (3, Insightful)

GlobalEcho (26240) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070596)

I awake one morning to discover that my laptop has been stolen out of my locked hotel room while I slept.

It's not just in Cryptonomicon that you need an encrypted fs on your laptop. Even journalists should be doing it (but I bet they don't)!

Similar kuro5hin story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4070601)

Another interesting story about card counting is on kuro5hin here [kuro5hin.org] . It's in four parts, and exposes both the good and bad sides of gambling. A good read.

Quality. (1)

syukton (256348) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070615)

I think that this is a really well-written article. It's nice to read something in-depth that's five pages long as opposed to a weenie one-page glaze-over. I especially liked this bit- "I copy his swagger, walking in long strides as if my cock runs halfway down my leg." .. yeah, that's quality right there.

Quality.

Went to MIT. Know two team members well.... (1)

Big_Breaker (190457) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070622)

Their year the team didn't make any money, but they had a blast. Comp'd rooms, girls, drugs, etc.... Their staging point was in a crack house. Good way to keep the team playing and in comp'd rooms.

Slashdot (1)

Cire (96846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4070628)

I wish I could have made seven figures while I was still in college.

You should've started slashdot! HA!

Cire
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