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The Day The Music Died: Windows Media and DRM

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the coming-soon-to-a-computer-near-you dept.

Music 699

SampleMinded writes "The Guardian reports on an early glimpse of what a DRM controlled future looks like. Imagine backing up your files, reformatting your hard drive, then copying the files back over only to find your music no longer works. It happened to this guy. Now That's what I call Xperience!"

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The day the FP died (-1, Offtopic)

govtcheez (524087) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076561)

Fetid stop

Vanilla Ice packs the fudge in hard! (-1)

Trolling Stones (587878) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076565)

Trolling Stones' lyrics quiz! - The Vanilla Ice version
See if you can get them all without using a search engine (highly doubtful in this case)
You must provide the album and song title for full credit.

1) the spot that i was in was
so soft and warm
this was far from a story you will find in book

2) on the rooftop
pop pop pop
and the fools drop

3) you're the one to make the ice cream
come here girl and
take a lick of this ice cream

4) ebim bom beedim bidom bom
beedim bom beedim bidom dom beedim bom
skilly yom deem bidom bom beedoo

5) stop as i drop this bomb
blow up this place
like anothe vietnam

g to the oatse
c to the izzex
fo shizzle my nizzle what the schlong was i thinking?! vanilla ice?! who cares. but seriously, this might be my last crapflood for a while. im going back on vacation, then back to school for a semester. in the mean time, i must shout out loudly to all my trolling brothas. keep up the good work and fight the good fight

woo-hoo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076574)

first post


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076576)

As a young, modern women of the naughties, you no doubt have many questions concerning romance, love, even s..e..x. In this sensitive and frank "question and answer" format, noted sex therapist Dr Rut explains everythiong you've ever wondered about.

Q: Where can I find the man of my dreams ?
A: This is a difficult question, since every woman probably has a different ideal of what her own personal Prince Charming should act and look like. However, when it comes to finding Mr Right, I can give you a good suggestion on where to start - and that's in a bar. That's right, go to a bar ...preferably the kind that smells of stale beer and lots of men crowded around watching a sports event on television. Pick a man that looks interesting - it's bets to stay away from the shallow "pretty boys" in designer clothes with bulging muscles. Instead, I recommend you pick somebody a little older and wiser, possibly reassuring pot belly. Boldly approach him, offer to buy him a few beers, then invite him back to your place. He'll advise you from there.

Q: How do I know if I found Mr Right ?
A: Unfortunately, there's no sure way to tell. Therefore, I suggest you try out many different kinds of men and many different kinds of bars.

Q: Do men like aggresive women?
A: Definitely. Although they don't admit it, men are often shy - so it's up to you to be bold. In addition to bars, don't be affraid to approach men on streetcorners, in restaurants, even in restrooms. Break the ice with simple "hello", followed by an offer to buy them dinner, drinks - even an expensive gift. Then invite them to back to your place.

Q: What if a man's married ?
A: Go for it. This is a great opportunity to enjoy the valuable experience a married man possesses, without being tied down by any sort of commitment.

Q: But what if I fall in love with a married man ?
A: This is a tough one, especially if you find yourself pregnant. Ask him how he feels about his wife and family. If he says his wife doesn't understand him and he's thinking of leaving her, believe him and continue your relationship, secure in the knowledge that he'll soon make good his promise. Married men rarely lie about such important matters.

Q: How do I know if I'm ready for sex ?
A: ask your boyfriend. He'll know when the time is right. When it comes to love and sex, men are much more responsible, since they're not confused emotionally as women. It's a proven fact.

Q: Should I have sex on the first date ?
A: YES. Before if possible.

Q: What exactly happens during the act of sex ?
A: Again, this is entirely up to the man. The important thing to remember is that you must do whatever he tells you without question. Sometimes, however, he may ask you to do certain things that may at first seem strange to you. Do them anyway.

Q: How long should the sex act last ?
A: This is a natural and normal part of nature, so don't feel ashamed or embarressed. After your man has finished making love, he'll have a natural desire to leave you suddenly, and go out with his friends to play golf. Or perhaps another activity, such as going out with his friends to the bar for the purpose of consuming large amounts of alcohol and sharing a few personal thoughts with his buddies. Don't feel left out - while he's gone you can busy yourself by doing his laundry, cleanig his apartment, or perhaps even going out to buy him an expensive gift. He'll come back when he's ready.

Q: What is "afterplay" ?
A: After a man has finished making love, he needs to replenish his manly energy. "Afterplay" is simply a list of important activities for you to do after the lovemaking. This includes lighting his cigarette, making him a sandwich or pizza, bringing him a few beers, or leaving him alone to sleep while you go out and buy him an expensive gift.

Q: Does the size of the penis matter ?
A: Yes. Although many women believe that quality, not quantity, is important, studies show this is simply not true. The average erect male penis measures about six centimeters. Anything longer than that is extremely rare and, if by some chance your lover's sexual organ is seven centimeters or over, you should go down on yur knees and thank you lucky stars and do everything possible to please him, such as doing his laundry, cleaning his apartment and buying him an expensive gift.

Q: What about the female orgasm ?
A: What about it ? There's no such thing. It's a myth.

Q: Are you sure ?
A: Will you stop asking so many questions ? Do you distrust men or something ? Instead, prove how much you care for your boyfriend by going out and buying him an expensive gift.

It's already happening (5, Informative)

crivens (112213) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076587)

It happened to my fiancee. She backed up her music made using Real Jukebox to her D drive. We re-formatted drive C and re-installed Windows. Of course, not having saved the security key, when she restored her music files she couldn't play them.

As always, the honest people suffer.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076645)


dancornell (95530) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076713)

Actually - he did bring up some new information which was that RealPlayer displays this functionality as well as Windows Media Player.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076722)

Thanks for submitting a totally useless response to a totally useless comment. Wait, that means I just submitted a useless comment to a useless comment to a useless thread. Well, there goes the neighborhood.

Re:Who Else thought Story #2 was more intersting? (1, Offtopic)

reezle (239894) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076760)

Hang up
I keep forgetting to close my internet connection, and consequently remain attached to my ISP for hours doing nothing but run up a phone bill.
Reg Bauckham

-Is there a Dumbass Tag for HTML?

Re:It's already happening (5, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076710)

You could just use a better ripping program such as CDex which can rip into cool formats like MP3 and ogg-vorbis.


Re:Ah That's nothing (3, Funny)

reezle (239894) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076734)

Just imaging the fun when the library of Congress does the same thing....
(Well, maby they have a smarter boyfriend who anticipates these things...)

-On a Mr. fixit note, NEVER destory your source. Copy info to new media, and verify functionality on that new media, THEN format the source...)

Re:It's already happening (Creative Labs DRM) (5, Informative)

dtfan579 (548233) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076772)

When updating my soundcard drivers recently, I discovered a notice of Digital Rig^H^Hestrictions Management from Creative Labs. Apparently copy protected "intellectual property content" causes the digital output of the sound card to be shutoff. Of course this only works on WMAs, so I believe this fits in the context of this article. For more information visit this URL Creative Labs: DRM with WMA []

Re:It's already happening (2, Insightful)

Milo Fungus (232863) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076781)

Here's a quote from yesterday's [] interview [] with Cary Sherman, President of the RIAA.

"Of course record companies want to embrace the technology for greater profits. That's what they've done before, and that's what they want to do again. How to do it isn't so clear or easy, however...[Later]...record companies have been working very hard at getting music on the Internet legally. That happens to be difficult - because you need the permission of the songwriters and music publishers, and in many cases the artists as well, and those clearances aren't easy to get. (Everyone is nervous about piracy, and trying to figure out how much revenue they should earn, and what the business model is going to be, etc.) And then there are the technical infrastructures that have to be built to account for downloads and streams and pay royalties to rightsowners; the security for the content; and so on. It's a lot easier to do it illegally (just post it, don't worry about security, and don't pay anybody anything); doing it legally takes time...[Later]...The technology in this area keeps changing, and improving. You mention Enhanced CDs. As it happens, lots of consumers have had trouble with Enhanced CDs, because they may not play on all devices. So every time you mess with computer technology, there are unexpected effects."

This WMP DRM business is a good example of what he was talking about. They have a difficult work to do if they want to embrace DRM and customers at the same time. Problems like this are unfortunate and (I believe) unacceptable, but are a natural consequence of what they're trying to do. I'd rather the music industry collapse from within, personally, but I'm not sure if that will happen.

Windows Media Player?? (5, Insightful)

nucal (561664) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076593)

have been collecting music using Windows Media Player to copy from CDs.

That was the first mistake...

Re:Windows Media Player?? (5, Informative)

slagdogg (549983) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076706)

Actually, his first mistake was not disabling the 'Personal Protection' feature ... this would have solved his problem just as well as using another product.

Re:Windows Media Player?? (2, Funny)

Jonboy X (319895) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076736)

Actually, the first mistake was "upgrading" to XP in the first place.

Re:Windows Media Player?? (3, Insightful)

marauder404 (553310) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076750)

That was the first mistake...
Why? It's an easy to use program that the user had available to him. It worked as advertised. Just because he didn't RTFM, doesn't mean that it's the application's fault. If you want to criticize WMP for implementing DRM or using WMA for encoding, that's a different matter.

Re:Windows Media Player?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076782)

Of course it wasn't the application's fault. The user made the mistake: He used it.

How to Lay a Girl (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076597)

A. Purpose of this guide.

Firstly, this isn't a joke guide. All the methods described here are working, and with not too much difficulties.

Don't expect that you will be able to lay a girl in one week. Not with this guide anyway. If you have the time, patience, and some manners, you will succeed.

I don't pretend to be a big expert in girls; I'm not. But after some experience with them, I can provide you some information that can help you, with the first moves between he's and her's business.

I will happily update this guide and improve it, with your help, of course. Please send me comments and please help to make it better.

B. The first meets

I believe you have a girlfriend you can experiment with. If you don't, find one. For those purposes, every mid looking girl will suit. Every one can owe a girlfriend, and it's not the time and place to explain how to reach one. (maybe in the next "completed guide of...").

If you don't have a girlfriend yet, at least try to achieve a meet with one.

If you want to continue seeing this girl you have to remember the following:

* Don't make a physical connection on the first dates (don't kiss her goodbye and don't hug her )

* Let her talk. If she has a lot to say - just listen. A node with the head and some leading questions will do.

* If she is permanently silent you can always ask her about:
- herself (hobbies ext.)
- school (although it seems to be boring, you can talk hours on this subject)
- her musical prefers (If she mentions an artist that you dislike, don't show it to her. Just hide it.
- tell her about yourself.
- ask her if she knows x & y from her school.
- and the most important: don't answer with yes or no. those above are chat-stoppers. Expand you speech.
- tell her jokes
- remember to have a lot of humour - they like it.
- very important : don't be serious.
- Mind your manners: don't talk rudely nor curse.
- smile : release the tense.

If all the above fail, and you can't find common language with her, you Probably won't keep with her long time.

* Where to go at the first time:

- movie (let her choose, but don't insist on doing so) You can talk about the movie latter. Pay for you both. (as it's obvious). If she's ok, she will insist on paying on herself.
- go for a walk
- meet at one of your homes. (It's better on her home - she'll feel more relaxed and free)
- party : if available
- School - only if you learn in the same school

* If you enjoyed her company, tell her so. Tell her that you enjoyed, and you want to see her again. Before the end of the meet, fix yourselves a new date (fix it on the same evening)exchange telephones, ofcourse.

* Flatter her, but know your limits. Flatter to her nice sides. (Every one has some). Tell her how nice she is. Flatter to her looks (If you at least find her attractive). Don't say to her "You are the most beautiful girl I ever so"- It sounds non-natural.(She's Probably not.)

* If she plays (love-games) a little - please understand. we'll close the bills later...

* Don't bother her with too much telephone calls. Be cool at the first meets, or she'll take advantage over you. Show her you interested, but not desperate.

How will you know if you are friends or not? here are some ways:

- Hear what her girlfriend thinks about your connection.(For instance: If she meets her girlfriend in the street, and the above askes if she is your girlfriend - hear what she says (it's an embarrassing moment - from experience...)
- Enter phrases that assume that she is you girlfriend in your talkes to her. (not infront of her and your friends) See how she react to those statements.

The first physical connection. There are two ways establishing it:

* The spontaneous way: Kiss her goodbye (not in the first date - she'll appreciate it if you'll have patience.) In the following date take you hands together. It's very romantic. Dance with her in one of your homes. Dance is a kind of hug, and it the middle of this slow song - kiss here. (she might be shy in public, so understand her, and do this critical steps in public garden or other quiet place.)

* The non-spontaneous way: Lead her to non-public and quiet place (i.e. garden) look in her eyes and silent for a moment or so. She, understanding the moment, will silent too. Approach her head with yours, and gently kiss her a few times on her mouth. Hug her. (BTW, this the recommended way).

By this time, if she is with you, you'll understand that she likes your company. If she didn't, you won't reach that stage. If she likes you (or love you - in the better case), she would more then hugs and kisses -- but don't hurry. You should have patience. You should reach the bed only by small steps.

C. Phase I - "I like you"

You (both) will start to say compliments to each other. Don't say you love her if you don't feel anything to her. Choose the right moment of doing so.

Imagine the situation: You tell her "I Love you.". She, likes you very much, but the way to love is still long. She will be in shocking situation. If she'll say "I love you too" and she doens't mean it - you will both leave in lie. If she'll be silent, you will Probably have bad feelings -- "She doesn't love me at all.."

You can say to her "I like you/your looks/your style." This isn't strong as "love". Love is very strong word. Don't use it when not needed.

Some guys say to their girls that they love them - They think she will jump to the bed right a way. Although she will try to show you her greetings, don't expect to much. She's just a girl, and if she is between younger then 16. she's Probably virgin.

Bring her flowers & presents some time - it will mean very much to her. If you like to write, write her love letters. Bring her audio cassette with love songs - she'll remember you and connect you to them.

D. Phase II The body language

You are now on the kings way.

You should talk about sex by this time. Ask her what she thinks about it. (Don't involve doing sex with YOU). Ask her about sex generally. Ask her what is the appropriate age for doing it.

Start investigating her body - only in one of your homes. After you kiss her you should get to a situation where you are laying one infront of another (on the bed)

Let your hand travel over her body Don't touch between her legs - do the things in the order below.

Sneak you hand under her skirt and pat her back. If she wears a bra put you hand under the stripe (the one above her back - but don't open it - let your hand travel under the bra surface and forward to her tits. Don't touch hard there - it hurts. If she resists get you hand out of there quickly. We will continue later with this. Give her 10 minutes of rest from the last event. Talk about something else. (Remember - Don't ask her why she resists. Just ignore.)

Another area you should quest is her ass. Pat it gently - Stack you hand gently under her trousers and move your hand more deeply every time. She'll Probably resist or do sounds of disagreement. Remember - Even if she says she's not - She like your touches there. By this time you should be friends for 1-2 months or so - you know each other enough for those games.

After few meets doing the above, you can try removing her bra. The fastest you do it-the better she won't say anything. Don't ask her too remove it by herself - You're on you own now. after you opened it, don't ask her to totally remove it (not at the first time, at least).

Now it's a very important moment. Remember to close the lights, and get blanket from somewhere. Move you hand down to the area of her cunt. (all with clothes, of course). Pat her near it - but don't touch it directly. She'll bag in her mind from you to do it. After a few minutes of doing so, (Don't forget to kiss her all the times...she's not a sex machine)

Move your hand directly to there. You might feel some bones there (and by this time you are wondering where the hall is)

Don't ask her if it's good to her. It is. Your touch there is just like an electrical shock - it's very pleasuring.

If she's OK, she will do the same to you, so you will both feel perfect understand of each other. She might resist to your touch, but -believe me- if you'll stop toucing there for a meet or so, she will curse herself. The next time you'll try - you won't hear a hiss. her trousers. If she'll resist ask her what she afraids from. What can possibly happen? Start patting her cunt harder and with circulating movements. (she is still with her underwear -- don't remove it!)Have patience and control yourself. If she'll like what you are doing there, and she's OK, she will do the same to you. Don't hide your erect penis. You can't. But she'll will be amazed from the quick reaction...

Now your hand is there - circulating over her underwear. The best way of directly touching it is to "accidently" insert a finger under her underwear. (Do it from her legs side) She want resist...don't insert a finger in the hole - It can hurt even if she isn't virgin. Remove you fingers from there and insert full hand from her stomach side. Lay your forehand on her hair, and let the fingers play a little down there. Try to locate her clitoris - this is the mega power station of emotions... (Open the little lips of her cunt and travel up until they meet (the lips) there should be there an small organ (About 2-3 cm) - remember:Don't touch there to long - it is the most enjoying organ there, but it's not the only.

Don't forget to kiss her all the times. You can lick her tits nipples (not all the girls will let you doing so in that stage)Kiss her under her neck and lick her hear.

Continue touching her there. The lights are off, but try to look if her eyes are closed. If they are - she's enjoying. If not, continue patting her there - her eyes will be closed immediately.

Try to concentrate on her (girls like attention) but if she wants to pleasure you let her doing so. Remember - don't expect to much from her. You are the leader in the bed.

Try to give her an orgasm. A few minutes of direct squeezes at her clitoris will do. If it doesn't - ask her what will make her good there. Let her instruct you, but don't insist on it. If she has a serial of convulsions - she reached it (with your help of course). After that she will feel free to do it to you...

After the next meet she will take a talk with you. She'll say that she don't like what you've reached ("..I think we are getting to much close to it..."). Ask her "What do you afraid of?? You had fun didn't you? Look. I don't rowing anywhere. I don't know if I want to it yet (I mean full sex)". She'll be convinced. She won't start with it when you are doing so- she have to much pleasure...

You are both naked now, beside of your underwear (I hope). Now - lay on her. Curse the existence of your lower underwear - Loudly. Lay her on her back. Massage her for 10 minutes. Kiss her back. Now - Remove her underwear completely - she'll fill safe because she is on her stomach. (No danger of actual intercourse). Remove your pants. Lay on her (She still upside down -remember?) She will Probably feel great and hot. Rub your penis against her ass chicks. Say to her "would you like me to take some safety percations?". She'll say "What do you mean?" answer her: "I almost finished...". Pull a condom from somewhere (I bet it waited a long time...)and put it. Lay again over her and make some moves. Now - Rotate her so she'll lay on her back again. Lay over her. Fiddle with her cunt a little and try to insert your penis. If she'll say "don't insert" - say "ok", wait and retry.

If it doesn't enter, open her lips with your two hands and try again. If she is virgin, it will Probably hurt her a little so please be patient and if you are powerful, wait for the next meet. (In the next meet throw your parents of your house for the day). If it still hurts her, try to expend her virgin membrane with your fingers. (There IS a hole there - even if she is totally virgin. All you have to do is expend it a little).

What if it doesn't work - There are few possibilities:
- You tried to move too forward with not too much time.
- She's totally cold (Frigid). Find someone else.
- She isn't ready yet. Convince her. "What do you have to loose?" remember that you must make yourself credit from hers side
- She is afraid of pregnancy : Wait, or convince her that you will take a reliable anti-pregnancy device. (Tell her that you'll take condoms; If she's virgin, this is the only possibility).

If she is totally afraid, but want to try sexual intercourse, convince her to take anti-pregnancy pills. It is vey hard for anyone to admit befor a strange person that you're making sexual intercoures; try to understand. BTW, the doctors usually don't "insert hands" today. (They just test blood pressure and heart beat rate)

She will give you examples of girls that she READ about that used anti-pregnancy devices that failed; tell her "Did you hear about all the intercourses which didn't end with pregnancy ?" and "Why are you so negative about it? it's positive thing!"

- If all above fails and she still don't want it, wait. or....merry her...

All the procedure described here (From totally start) Should Take about 3 months. If you're thinking that you are moving to quick, slow the rate.

Re:How to Lay a Girl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076667)

-1 offtopic

Re:How to Lay a Girl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076672)

Someone set us up the date! All your girlfriend are belong to us.

don't use media player? (2, Interesting)

westcourt_monk (516239) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076598)

Ummm.. don't use windows media player.

What I am more worried about is iTunes going that way. It is probably the best mp3 player and disk ripper out there (at least for mac). The RIAA can't be happy with how easy it is to 'mix, rip, burn.'

I wonder if Apple has thought about iTunes for Windows. They have iPod for windows and iPod and iTunes play so well together I couldn't imagine one without the other.

Re:don't use media player? (3, Interesting)

mrbill (4993) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076655)

iTunes is actually just SoundJam MP. Apple licensed it and modified the look/functionality a bit. So, just get SoundJam MP for Windows (if it exists).

I was very happy about this - I run OS X fulltime, and was recently given one of the original Creative Nomad 6G MP3 jukeboxes. The bundled software was SoundJam MP, but for OS9. I hooked up the Nomad (USB, ugh), fired up iTunes, and it recognized it right away and I could drag/drop MP3s from my library to it.

Re:don't use media player? (1)

westcourt_monk (516239) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076669)


Will have to check that out.... .although I am 99% OS X, win2k server still runs my home - can't afford a new mac for my home yet :(

Re:don't use media player? (4, Informative)

mrbill (4993) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076674)

Whoops, I just checked (

"Casady & Greene, Inc. ceased publication of SoundJam MP on June 1, 2001 at the request of its developers. We believe that SoundJam MP will continue to give our customers long and useful service, and, in keeping with our philosophy of putting our customers first, Casady & Greene will continue to offer tech support to SoundJam MP owners. The SoundJam development team is now working for Apple on their popular iTunes jukebox software, and will continue to work on exciting and innovative products for Mac use"

Re:don't use media player? (1)

thesadmac (599744) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076742)

Maybe the MP3 engine, etc is just SoundJam, but the interface is what makes iTUnes nice. It's the thing I miss most about my Mac. WMP is the closest approximation I can find to iTunes; all the other ones have awful, fiddly little interfaces. If anyone could reccomend a good one to me for either Windows or Linux I would be very happy though.

Re:don't use media player? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076695)

For Windows users who care about quality there's only one solution for MP3's: rip with EAC and convert to MP3 with LAME. Everything else is just a poor hack (Musicmatch, WMP, etc.).

Re:don't use media player? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076768)

ummm, ever hear of cooledit ???

Re:don't use media player? (2)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076700)

"The RIAA can't be happy with how easy it is to 'mix, rip, burn.'"

I'm sure that they aren't, however 'rip' does imply the presence of a CD to begin with, so it's not suggested that you 'download, mix, burn' . Of course, I expect that plenty of iTunes users do this.

Don't even have to do a reinstall (5, Informative)

taeric (204033) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076599)

You don't even have to try to reload backed up data to get bit by this. Not too long ago, I upgraded my processor and was subsequently locked out of all the media files I made using Media Player.

I was less then pleased, for obvious reasons. It was just a minor headache remaking files using other programs and such, but it was a minor headache I could have lived without.

Insanity (1, Redundant)

x311 (600406) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076600)

With all of these countermeasures against copying and piracy put on all digital media, people are eventually just going to quit buying music and stick to listening to what they already own. I have already started to do this and have really uncovered some gems in my cd collection and of some mp3's that I've just had stored in the back of my HD. Rediscover your old favorites and let all of this crap blow over. Besides, most of today's music is manufactured crap anyhow.

Re:Insanity (3, Insightful)

fanatic (86657) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076721)

people are eventually just going to quit buying music and stick to listening to what they already own. I have already started to do this

By any chance, are you in your in your mid- to late- twenties? Many people stop getting into new music in that timeframe, and have been for 25-30 years.

Happened to me too... (2, Funny)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076602)

I formatted, transferred everything over my LAN, opened up winamp, tried to play something, and nothing happened!!! I was dismayed!!!

Then I installed the sound card drivers, and Poof! it worked!!

And yes, that WAS a joke. :)

Mp3 vs WMP (0)

sfhickey (593308) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076605)

Just another reason to not use WMA files, seriously, I can't see a reason?

The compression factor isn't an issue, you don't get better quality, so what's the point. Plus MS is into all of your files now...yuck..

I can't wait for better than mp3 compression with more sound quality, it'll make that Creative Nomad an even better investment!


Once again: you don't have to use MS software (1)

Lug Monkeybird (589781) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076611)

I find this kind of stuff at least annoying and at most repulsive. But let's all remember that no one is putting a gun to anyone's head and making them use this stuff. It's up to companies to protect their own IP however they see fit, and it's up to consumers to feel free to try to find ways around it (DMCA be damned). No you go on and do what you want to... -- L

Maybe It's Not So bad (4, Insightful)

LISNews (150412) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076613)

From the article: "There is still a way to get these licenses back and it is pretty easy using our Personal License Migration Service (PLMS), [which] was designed to address the exact situation you outline. The customer just has to be connected to the internet, then they can automatically restore their licenses just by playing the music files in question."

Of course it may not really be that easy, and it still is a pain, but that doesn't seem like that big of a deal, IF what they say is true in this case. Yes, this is a pain, but it could've been worse. If that's the future, it doesn't look as bad as I thought it did.

Re:Maybe It's Not So bad (2)

ctid (449118) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076658)

Surely that depends on how many tracks? (And indeed on how much of each track must be played). What if they had 100 tracks? What about 500 tracks? Or 1000 tracks? Even if it's only a few seconds of each track, that starts to mount up. Not to mention the effort required to start each track.

Re:Maybe It's Not So bad (1)

cicatrix1 (123440) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076743)

Uh, it's not like you have to do it all at once. Whenever you listen to the track (the first time) it will restore the license. You have to expend zero (0) extra effort besides just listening to the song (unless you count connecting to the Internet extra effort).

Re:Maybe It's Not So bad (2)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076775)

Not to mention the effort required to start each track.

I don't think Microsoft has a solution for this, but you could grab cygwin and write a pretty simple shell script that launches WMP or whatever with each song in a directory as an arguement. You could probably traverse directories or even use find to just play (or try to play) each and every file with a given extenstion.


Re:Maybe It's Not So bad (1, Redundant)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076702)

Actually, the article also stated that when he ripped the CDs he could have turned off the DRM features if he had gone into Tools | Options. This option is probably turned on by default though.

Re:Maybe It's Not So bad (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076737)

The article sounds like Microsoft keeps a Database of all the music that you have ripped on your computer.

This PLMS thingie then restores the licence fom the database. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that's what it soundls like to me.

If this reading is correct...

Isn't anyone bothered bt Microsoft keeping a database of what you have done on your computer? Not in some imagined future, but today (and yesterday)

Big Brother's name is Bill.

Windows Media Player...? (4, Funny)

krinsh (94283) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076614)

Thank goodness I only use it to play porn clips from the internet, and use WinAMP and RealPlayer for anything important.

Seems straightforward enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076616)

Use MP3. The sky ain't falling, yet. If Microsoft's solution for compressed music storage is such a pain, and involves this big a hassle when you re-install Windows (ask any Windows user how often they have to re-install ... doesn't matter if they're Unix bigots or not, they'll give the correct answer), it's not going to survive.

Simple as that. Most windows users are sheeple, but they'll see the light! ;-)

In all fairness (5, Interesting)

swagr (244747) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076618)

it did sound like updateing the licenses for the "new" computer was pretty simple.

What I don't understand is the reason the files could be "re-licensed" was because they were legit in the first place. Well.... isn't this true for any copy? (at some point down the line it was legit)

Re:In all fairness (1)

DLWormwood (154934) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076738)

Hmmm, after reading the article and your comment, I'm starting to think the MS is actually doing something morally right for a change. They are "supporting" DRM in a manner that a knowledgeable user can bypass without violating the DMCA. They may not be doing it with management's knowledge, but allowing this functionality to be switched off or to allow "license transfer" below the **AA's radar strikes me as a sneaky way to continue to offer fair use access. Most users can still get access to their collection, but at the same time claim to the **AA that they are still "protecting" their content. Interesting...

Re:In all fairness (2)

medcalf (68293) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076789)

So, he can be relicensed by simply connecting to the internet while playing the songs. What if they weren't legit in the first place? Would he get a new license? How would WMP know that there was a valid license? Does it transmit a license to MS when you copy the songs originally?

Oh No!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076623)

My stolen MP3s won't play anymore!! Oh the horror! Boogidy boogidy.

DRM will happen. Deal with it, Michael. What other solution would you offer to deal with the rampant piracy and IP theft that escalates every single day?

Re:Oh No!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076690)

Actually, stolen mp3's will work fine. It is the legitimate wma files that won't play. How is that for irony? I know you were just flamebaiting but I like flame.

Re:Oh No!!! (4, Insightful)

ShavenYak (252902) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076692)

DRM will happen. Deal with it, Michael. What other solution would you offer to deal with the rampant piracy and IP theft that escalates every single day?

People shoplift from grocery stores every day also, but I don't have to get new licenses for my soup if I move it from one cabinet to another. Let the RIAA etc. do what grocery stores do and add the "losses" due to piracy onto everyone else's bill.

Looking at the price vs. cost of production of CDs, it appears that they must already do this. Not to mention that they get a chunk of every blank CD Audio disc sold. Bingo, problem solved. Now quit with the DRM shit, you bastard record companies!

Seriously, how can they expect consumers to put up with that much hassle to "protect" their multi-billion-dollar industry from the miniscule sales they really lose to piracy?

Re:Oh No!!! (4, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076769)

People shoplift from grocery stores every day also, but I don't have to get new licenses for my soup if I move it from one cabinet to another.

Yes, but there are no "Soup-uters" out there that allow you to make unlimited, perfect copies of your can of soup and instantly deliver the soup to millions of people around the globe for free. If there were, you can bet Campbells would be very interested in controlling what you did with your can of soup.

Re:Oh No!!! (2)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076697)

DRM will happen. Deal with it, Michael. What other solution would you offer to deal with the rampant piracy and IP theft that escalates every single day?

The Gift Economy []

(and yes, I know it looks odd in Konqueror ..... )

Re:Oh No!!! (1)

Fortissimo (45876) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076762)

My stolen MP3s won't play anymore!!

When did copying ones own CDs to MP3 format become stealing? Did you even read the post at Guardian? Get with the program, Gomer!

RTFM! (3, Insightful)

seanmeister (156224) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076625)

So the user in question didn't follow the procedure for either turning off the DRM protection or backing up his licenses. I'm no fan of DRM, but RTFM still applies in a "DRM controlled future". Maybe even more so!

me like (3, Informative)

Ubi_NL (313657) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076626)

1) Now Joe Public starts understanding and disliking DRM

2) Techies that already hated DRM but are not listened to by Joe Public don't use silly WMP and are not hindered by this.

What's the problem again?

They know what you listen to... (5, Insightful)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076629)

In the "article", it is made clear that Microsoft is watching what you are listening to. The advice given to the man for his situation was to connect to the Internet and the licenses for his music(which he already paid for... why does he need yet another license) will be updated.

Updated? How did they get the original and how would they know that your files are the right files, etc... because they are watching what you are listening to. Time to read that EULA Mr. End User. Problem is, most bloody end users really don't care. I've talked to many a person and they really think it's ok. I guess that means that I _can_ put that hidden camera in their daughter's bathroom Boy, I certainly hope noone takes that one literally. ;)

Legacy Hardware?? (2)

Vengie (533896) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076630)

How is Microsoft planning on competing with all the legacy hardware out there? Say the first Palladium equipped boxen emerge.....a large portion of america (the napsterites) upon learning what it means for their (illegal) mp3's....aren't going to want said boxen. There becomes a huge market for the remaining non-DRM enabled what does MS do? (Wait for the government to MANDATE drm in a similar fashion to whats happening with HDTV??)

They don't compete (2)

nuggz (69912) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076659)

People don't realize that they can't do these things until AFTER they have purchased the computer and OS.

By then they don't care anymore.

Re:Legacy Hardware?? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076732)

Exactly, without the gov't card none of this stuff is any threat whatsoever. Customers get pissed off by hassle, look for alternatives with less hassle, the drm crap goes away, banished by the market. That's why the Mickey Mouse club wants gov't mandates, to force something no one wants except the Mickey Mouse club.

Oh come on, why do that? (2)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076632)

Imagine backing up your files, reformatting your hard drive, then copying the files back over only to find your music no longer works.

Hard drives never fail? Right!

This is crap and will never happen. As long as there are people out there making up new ways to distribute data (a la Ogg) then people will be able to share it. Now, they may do so illegally, but so be it.

The sky is falling the sky is falling!!! (1)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076636)

just how many old boxes do you keep around? use on of them, install windows 98 or 2k, do NOT upgrade to the latest MS product, play your files to your hearts content....

Re:The sky is falling the sky is falling!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076753)

No guarantee, as user will have clicked a EULA for a security upgrade which gives MS the right to download and install drm shit. Solution is not to use Windows, or not to apply security patches with EULA's, probably not a good idea.

DRM needs a better methodology (0)

aes12 (580531) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076639)

I am not opposed to DRM, in principle, but the companies behind today's implementations of DRM need to get thier head on straight. Limiting what we are able to do with our own property is only going to force us to search out non-DRM solutions. I'm not a big fan of WMP, but I realize that a lot of people use it. The default settings will just push people to using mp3/Winamp again.
Perhaps there is a way to protect both the IP of musicians as well as the fair use rights we are seeing slowly torn from us, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.

our baby sitter go hit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076648)

she use wmp then got the update and nothing worked, she asked me about is and being an avid /. reader.... well, ended up i gave her a cd full of shareware/freeware alternatives to wmp to help her out of the XP/wmp problems.

Have no problems with this (4, Insightful)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076650)

I wish MS would go even further, like automatically delete the music files after a set period, or when you reinstall Windows, Word will stop working, and you need to rent a new license etc.

You know that line from Star Wars applies (paraphrasing): The more control they take over your system, the more users they will lose.

Why not just put them out of their misery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076783)

Microsoft should do the humane thing and have their computers euthanize these poor wretched creatures.

No surprise. M$ wants him to pay every time. (2)

crovira (10242) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076653)

The direction M$ wants to take the world in (not where we might want to go today,) is one where PCs boot off of a network and have no local storage.

Of course its THEIR network and you pay for the connection, the storage and for every hit, every app and file load. And people who want to sell their software have to pay M$ for "retail shelf-space" at least until they suddenly find their product co-opted and integrated into the, uh, collective.

Complete and total, anal-retentive, obsessive control. Its the bully's way.

Re:No surprise. M$ wants him to pay every time. (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076740)

The direction M$ wants to take the world in (not where we might want to go today,) is one where PCs boot off of a network

Actually, that is Sun Microsystem's catch line - The Network is the Computer - or at least it used to be. Sun was the one with the whole goal of going back to dummy terminals.

Re:No surprise. M$ wants him to pay every time. (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076787)

I think they got this idea from elison(sp; the oracle guy). In that Cringley documentry 'revenger of the nerds' or something like that, he's in there saying "i hate the pc. bits on plastic. plastc in cardboard box. box on truck. me in car to store. buy box. open box. read manual. put it on the NET" or something like that.

This may be repeating the obvious, but... (4, Insightful)

grayhaired (314097) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076654)

* If certain software becomes hostile to copy survivability, switch to more user friendly software.

* If a file format becomes undesirable for some reason, switch formats. The shift from GIF to JPEG was accelerated when CI$ wanted royalties for GIFs. if MPEG becomes untenable, switch to a format WMA/Windoze, etc, wouldn't tell from any other binary.

I think all people are proving is that they can muck up a file format or two. But there are a number of ways of encoding music after the fact. Just, you may need to convert your precious MPEGs to a more modern (and less policed) format.

Media 7 (0)

cyberbob2010 (312049) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076656)

thats y i didn't upgrade to media player 7.0 or higher because it wont let u play a lot of stuff and i believe that there was actually a story here on slashdot about it. im still using 98se and don't plan to upgrade until i go Linux because while microsoft used to just be a monopoly they r now using that power not only to squich competition - they r also using it to regulate wut i do.

Re:Media 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076757)

Are you 12 years old or do you type like a moron because you are stupid or lazy? Is the word are really that much faster written as r? People will take you a lot more seriously if you present yourself as at least somewhat literate.

Solution (2)

Johnny Mnemonic (176043) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076657)

I'm sure that posters after this one will highlight the solution presented. I just want to add this: when did our computers stop working for us, and change to us having to work for them?

And if that yahoo can't get the solutions to work, I hope he thinks about a Mac, or Linux, for each CD (of his own music! already encoded, even!) that he has to reload. If his time is worth something, that Mac looks cheaper every day...

A good thing? (0)

DavidLeblond (267211) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076662)

Now that you can't backup your data, does that mean that MS will release an OS that won't crash as often?

Maybe this is why they stopped shipping MS Backup with Windows. They saw it coming!

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076663)

As a moral conservative, I have no problem with people attempting to protect their property and their rights. Would any of this be that bad? I know the average Slashbot is used to "ripping" their CDs and then splattering illegal MP3s across like 50 different hard drives. Get over it, and get over yourselves. What does DRM really mean, anyway? It means that if you want to listen to music from a CD, you have to put in the darn CD.

Oh, horrors!

The real problem (4, Funny)

smead (583466) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076675)

The real problem is not that windows is controlling her, that she's trying to control windows. Anyone with any common sence knows that windows xp provides a superior user experience and that it's rock solid reliability eliminates the need for tenous reinstalls. Not only is it never neccessary, but only hackers, pirats, and the dark forces of the universe would try to get control over windows for their own selfish gain. In my opinion, she got what she deserved. That filthy evildoer

Mod funny (0)

bafreer (592306) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076785)

I was using Xp for a single semester in school. I must have reformatted a dozen times. POS! Now I'm using linux, and I haven't crashed once.

So don't use WMP (1)

joshua404 (590829) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076677)

Windows Media Player sucks, anyway. Use CDex. It's open source.

Or even better, don't use Windows at all.

Re:So don't use WMP (2)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076744)

The easy solution here for people who like WMP but dislike DRM is to use .ogg and and get the WMP plugin [] .

you people using WMP... (2, Interesting)

prisen (578061) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076681)

..need to get the following tool, ASAP: CDex [] .

This [] format might tickle your fancy a bit more than WMA ever did. It sure as heck sounds better.

You can always turn it off ... (2, Interesting)

slagdogg (549983) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076682)

From the MS web site:

When this feature is enabled, each track that is copied to your computer is a licensed file that cannot be played on any other computer unless you backup and restore your licenses on the other computer.

Even if you forget to disable the feature, there is still a way to transfer the licenses. It's not as if they are forcing it on anyone. Seems pretty fair to me ...

Re:You can always turn it off ... (2, Insightful)

goldorak_dan (409400) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076709)

Why couldn't it have been off by default, to avoid problems like that.

Then they could say: you can always turn it on.

Raising the awareness with the general public (2)

philkerr (180450) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076696)

It's nice, and refreshing, to see the mainstream media picking up on this.

We all know the pros and cons but your average jane/joe in the street doesn't. Without this message getting across to them with clear examples of what may/will happen we'll be shouting the message to ourselves.

If your local/national newspaper has a tech section where you can ask questions, drop them a line.

Get the word out!

RTFA, nothing to see here (3, Insightful)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076698)


1. 'When you first run Windows Media Player, it will ask if you want to keep copy protection on, and you can turn it off if you wish.'


2. 'We did anticipate this scenario and developed a tool to help them update their licenses: the Personal License Update Utility.'

What's the big deal here?

p.s. What's funny is, My Lyra requires a funky DRM'd MP3 format that only uses their propietary software to create it...those files won't work on anything else either. BUT, copy any kind fo WMA file directly to the CF card and it works fine.

They Say Recovery is Easy...Yeah Right (5, Insightful)

Schlemphfer (556732) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076703)

According to Microsoft's lead product manager of Windows Digital Media:

There is still a way to get these licenses back and it is pretty easy using our Personal License Migration Service (PLMS), [which] was designed to address the exact situation you outline.

It's morning and I'm still feeling pretty alert, but even the acronym PLMS is enough to make me think, "this is going to be a gigantic pain in the ass." Would it be possible to come up with a more intimidating bit of tech-speak for a product's name?

More to the point, can you picture an inexperienced user having to track down the Personal License Migration Service utility and get it working? Just the name of it alone makes it sound like an afternoon's project.

Looks like Windows users who want to maintain rights to their music libraries are going to have to regularly clear some rather intimidating hurdles every time they buy a new system or reformat their drive. I wonder how Apple will handle the same situation. Somehow, I can't picture Steve announcing iPLMS at an upcoming MacWorld ;)

Re:They Say Recovery is Easy...Yeah Right (3, Funny)

Your_Mom (94238) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076779)

Would it be possible to come up with a more intimidating bit of tech-speak for a product's name?
What would you suggest?

  • LicenseXP?
  • ActiveLicensing?
  • License.Net?
  • DRM featuring IamMSFT'sBitch Technology?

Windows? What about Linux? (1, Funny)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076708)

DRM has been included in Linux Kernel a long time ago. Aren't you scared?

Re:Windows? What about Linux? (0)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076749)

Yeah... but Linux won't cram it down your throat or hold a gun to your head like Microsoft will. Just because it's there doesn't mean that I have to use it. I'm glad that Linux supports the DRM formats... but I choose to use formats like MP3 or OGG that do not come with restrictions.

Now imagine if you paid for those tracks (4, Interesting)

RailGunner (554645) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076711)

While I feel somewhat* sorry for the person that lost all their music files, at least they (presumably) didn't pay for them, so really it's just an inconvenience to re-copy their cd's to their hard drive.

But what if they had paid for them? Even a trivial amount like 25 cents adds up extremely quick. At least in their case, though, they still have the files. Hard drives fail.. the Windows Registry can be corrupted.. what then? Do you re-purchase all the files you've already bought once?

This should be yet another compelling reason to dump Windows in favor of Linux on your PC's.

* I can't feel too sorry for anyone using Windows Media Player Spyware.. Is it really Microsoft's business that I spend a large part of my work day writing code and listening to (legal) mp3 rips of my Ozzy Osbourne cd's?

Bring it on (3, Insightful)

philipsblows (180703) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076723)

I've made similar comments like this before, but in this case it is worth repeating (well, I'll find out whether it is).

The sooner the general public begins to experience the real issues behind DRM, DMCA, Palladium, UCITA (or whatever they're calling it this week), etc, the sooner the issue will rise to the importance of other issues that get real (ie political, financial) attention.

It will probably be painful for a while, since the entire public won't realize the impact of this sort of thing at first, but give it time... the general public let their opinion be known about DivX and it didn't take long for CC to back down and toss that idea (or at least table it for a while).

This too shall pass? I hope so.

Who uses WMF's anyway? (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076725)

If this happened to my MP3 collection I'd be pissed. But, what do you expect with WMF's? You use Microsoft's formats -- you get held to Microsoft's rules! That is why the RIAA and friends HATE MP3's... because it is format that they can't control. Just keep encoding your shit to MP3 or OGG format and you won't have to worry about this sort of thing happening (at least until Palladium comes along!)

When ripping it yourself, uncheck protect content. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076728)

If you want to use Windows Media Player to rip your CDs just un-check 'Protect Content' in the copy music options.

That way if you really want to use Windows Media Audio then you wont have license problems.

Buying audio from the internet however is a whole different story.

do you own the music you've bought? (1)

chenmorning (582524) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076763)

Obviously Microsoft is trying to shape our view of owning music in a undesirable way(for us, or a desirable way for recording industry). This is very similar to their logic of software usage. That is, when you've paid $199 for Windows XP, you don't actually own it, you just paid for the rights to use it for a certain period of time on a specific machine. This is what licencing is all about--not only telling you what you can do and not, but also put hard restrictions with technology.

When applying this logic to Music, it's absolutely against music lover's interests. When you've bought a CD and converted the music to WMA 7.x format in your PC, you DO NOT own the copy anymore. Instead, whoever controls the licence controls your usage since you normally cannot fiddle with the licence itself. In all, use Windows Media if you want to lose control of the music you own and want to being tracked each time you copy, rip and so on(Technologically they have no problems tracking you with controlled licence and internet connections mentioned in the article). Otherwise, stick with MP3.

Look at the bigger picture here people! (4, Insightful)

gosand (234100) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076764)

Some people are saying "Don't use WMP", or "Yeah, but you can turn it off", or "RTFM!".

While those things may apply to this case, DRM is a scary thing where it would be very easy to make it so it doesn't matter what app you use, DRM could be embedded in your processor (Palladium). They could make it so that you can't turn off DRM in the apps, or there is no manual to read, it will all just be built in so you don't have to "worry" about it.

And since when did it become a REQUIREMENT to be connected to the internet to listen to music that you own?! Sure, internet access is more widespread than ever, but required? That's BS. That just means that Microsoft is watching and controlling what you are listening to. How long before it goes beyond that to cover every app on your system?

I talk to some of my friends about this stuff, and they think it will never happen. They also don't know about the DMCA and the CDPDTA-E-I-E-I-O. This shit is real, and it is very scary. I have heard people say "Well, I don't care if they know what I do." Well dammit, I DO! It is none of their business, and that is the first step down a long, dark path. You want to tell them what you are doing, what web sites you are visiting, where you are shopping? Fine. Opt-in. But don't force that on everyone. Some people may actually want some of these dumbass services that Microsoft and other companies offer. Maybe they like targeted advertising. I don't, and I should not have to jump through hoops to NOT get it.

Think it won't happen? Who is going to stop them?

The Whole Truth? (1, Redundant)

Captain Large Face (559804) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076765)

If you read the article fully, it can be seen that the music can be migratted across using a few simple steps. It's not as if the music was lost for good...

DRM is guaranteed to fail, except for Microsoft. (5, Insightful)

Featureless (599963) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076767)

Think of it like a cage. It's meant to let us see what's inside, but not let what's inside get out. It can never effectively be used to get back what's escaped. And something only needs to escape from it once to be outside, fruitful and multiplying and all that, forever.

It's an absurdly complicated cage, with hundreds of potential points of failure. Even if it's the best designed cage in the world, with encryption and booby-traps at every joint and hindge, someone in a good lab in Hong Kong is going to arrange a jailbreak anyway. And you know it's not going to be the best designed cage in the world. It's going to suck, maybe slightly less than CSS sucked.

Once the content is out of it, that's it. You can't make a computer that refuses legacy data and applications (mp3s). That might be what Hollywood wants, but it's the only thing Microsoft can never do. At least not in the next 10-20 years - they'd have to work up to it very gradually. And even then, there are a million problems.

The real purpose of DRM is to act as a shield against free software technologies interoperating with commercial products. MS has been considering fighting compatible free software with patents and bribes and EULA suits (and probably would, but for the awkwardness of doing it during their anti-trust trial), but by far its best weapon is to pretend to ally with the content people. They, after all, own Washington, and they were the geniuses that engineered the DMCA. The law that will make Samba, or the encrypted-WindowsDRM-filesystem module, or any number of other enabling technologies illegal... because it's trying to "bypass Microsoft's access control features."

People will point out that the DMCA has provisions for allowing interoperability. That's right, it does. That's called a "bait exception." Sort of like the distributor price caps in the California electric utility deregulation, they're there for show; they can have no real effect. DeCSS, after all, is meant to allow free softare to interoperate with DVD's. But tell that to all the people in court all around the world right now. When deciding on whether there's a "significant non-infringing use," it turns out that it's quite easy to make a non-savvy judge (and how few of them are savvy?) believe the worst. DVDs are case in point.

DRM will accomplish none of its stated goals. But it will be great for Microsoft. Paladium is a big deal to them because it will be the first Windows which can't be emulated by Wine, for instance, or interoperated with by other software, without risking the appearance that one is interoperating in order to open the cage. And if you mess with cages, you know we're not just talking about a civil trial and bankruptcy. We're talking about a good long stretch in federal prison.

Funny (0, Troll)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076771)

Isn't it funny how m$ takes it upon itself to license your music? I am sticking to OGG from now on. Anyone who is dumb enough to use WMA for anything now deserves whatever they get.

And another thing: We should boycott music until the RIAA goes bankrupt. Don't buy CDs, don't even go to concerts (if you don't buy cd's then the RIAA will just get their dough from the concerts anyway, despite the written contract). Then and only then, will we have freedom once more. It'll be one of those things that go down in history like the boston tea party or something, maybe.

How is this Microsoft's job? (2)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076773)

There is still a way to get these licenses back and it is pretty easy using our Personal License Migration Service (PLMS), [which] was designed to address the exact situation you outline. The customer just has to be connected to the internet, then they can automatically restore their licenses just by playing the music files in question.

How exactly did Microsoft get the job of maintaining my licenses? If I pay for a cd and rip it to mp3 for my own use, why do I need MS to "license" me the ability to play it? They didn't pay for the cd, I did! How is it that the duty of maintaining my licenses for non-MS data can belong to MS? This is just silly...

Matter of configuration I think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4076774)

He/She shoud uncheck the option to encript the WMA file...

Personal Rights Management? (1)

Titusdot Groan (468949) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076788)

There is still a way to get these licenses back and it is pretty easy using our Personal License Migration Service (PLMS) ...

We did anticipate this scenario and developed a tool to help them update their licenses: the Personal License Update Utility.

this box was called the 'Enable Personal Rights Management' check box.

Why are all these "features" that are designed to restrict my fair use rights for my legally acquired music or other sound files in order to benefit of a multi-conglomerate music oligarcy all have names that include the word "Personal" in it.

RTFM! (0)

piznut (553799) | more than 12 years ago | (#4076790)

Go to Tools | Options | Copy Music in WMP. Now uncheck "Protect Content".

From the help file:

Protect content
Specifies whether tracks copied from CDs in Windows Media Format are licensed files. Licenses help protect the copyrights of artists by preventing illegal distribution. Selecting this check box prevents you from playing the tracks on another computer.

Note You should back up your licenses to a floppy disk periodically. If you reinstall or upgrade your operating system, your licenses could be lost. For more information about how to back up licenses, see Related topics.

All I can say is...RTFM
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