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Watercooling Made Easy

timothy posted about 12 years ago | from the hipsters-migrate-to-helium-cooling dept.

Hardware 181

Ronny writes: "'Overclockers are always looking for a better way to keep their processors cooler. If you've found the best heatsink and best fan, but that still isn't cooling your processor enough, you may want to look in to water cooling.' You can build your own water cooling system out of scrap parts such as a radiator from an ATV and a water block made out of a 4" PVC cap. However, if your like myself and have no creative skills whatsoever, then you may be interested in this new water cooling kit that is available on the Internet. The kit includes everything you need to start water cooling your CPU, at a very reasonable price. Full review of the water-cooling kit found at OverclockersClub"

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I hate water.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100237)

And I'm fat.

Seriously.. why do people worry so much about cooling when it's not really that big of an issue?


Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100276)

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Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100447)

Slashdot provides information. Information has value protected under international copyright. Slashdot and the FSF support these rights, but since the authors of most commercial software are amatuers, true coders have developed open source software. Now closed source developers fear for their job security. They can no longer develop half assed applications and charge large sums of money for these applications. Nor do they have th e mental capacity to create open source applications, which can easily be reviewed and critiqued. This fear of more intelligent people offering higher quality applications at little to no cost drives commercial developers into desperate (and unintelligent) attempts at subverting open source. You can do several things to protect yourself from these crazed idiots.

- If you are using MicroSoft.. switch to Linux.

- If you have previously purchased less than adequate close source software, demand a refund from the organization.

- If someone is trolling with lame attempts at converting open source community members, troll them back with a good reason why they are stupid.

I don't see the open source community posting to tell the closed source mongers the evils of their ways. Maybe that's because it's obvious.


Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100527)


Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100533)

I don't see the open source community posting to tell the closed source mongers the evils of their ways. Maybe that's because it's obvious

No, that's because every time you try, you gte beaten down like the broke-ass bitch of a high school loser you are. Go back to giving blow jobs in the park for Dance Dance Revolution money. Leave serious talk to the folks who fire their spunk down your throat.

Would you please (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100239)

water cool my ASS! []

It hurts!

Offtopic, but it's a pet hate... (0, Offtopic)

Joel Rowbottom (89350) | about 12 years ago | (#4100240)


it's YOU'RE, not 'your', dammit!

Re:Offtopic, but it's a pet hate... (1, Offtopic)

Usquebaugh (230216) | about 12 years ago | (#4100283)

But, she is my grammar not your grammar :-)

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100242)

he he :>

bob (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100246)

bob's your uncle

i should write a firstpost bot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100248)

to get all you lamerz to stfu

Re:i should write a firstpost bot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100259)

There's an original idea.

For a few years ago.

Suck post!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100250)

Suck it, bitches! ! ! !

Huh? (-1, Troll)

rgraham (199829) | about 12 years ago | (#4100254)

However, if your like myself and have no creative skills whatsoever, then you may be interested in this new water cooling kit that is available on the

What is this "Internet" thing you speak of?

Re:Huh? (0)

exedanni (96264) | about 12 years ago | (#4100272)

My thoughts exactly. Seems this new kit is available on the Internet unlike all the other performance PC gear...

Overclocking??? (-1, Flamebait)

FoxIVX (104861) | about 12 years ago | (#4100258)

Who the fuck overclocks their PC anymore?
And what the fuck is up with this 20 second bullshit. It's taken me 5 fucking tries to post this.
7 seconds: learned about the fucking retarded timer
19 seconds: WHOOPS TOO SOON
20 seconds, but I forgot the subject line, and had to wait all over again!
All to what? Weed out quick thinking people. Excellent work, slashdot.

Re:Overclocking??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100291)

Hear! Hear!

(wait... 18, 19, 20)

Water-cooled webserver (4, Funny)

GLX (514482) | about 12 years ago | (#4100267)

I hereby claim prior art on a Water Cooled webserver to overcome the slashdot effect!

Article was posted less than 5 minutes ago, and it's already /.'ed... Think watercooling will be able to put out the fire that's started at the datacenter where that site's hosted? :)

Re:Water-cooled webserver (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100503)

Mil Mi-26
Type (Muster)
Heavy transport helicopter (schwerer Transporthubschrauber)
Country (Land)
Russia (Rußland)

Manufacturer (Hersteller)
Sokolnitschewski Wal 2
107113 Rußland

Fax: 007-095/2645571

Actual series manufacture of the Mi-26 takes place at the Rostvertol plant (Novatorov 5, 344038 Rostov on Don, Russia; phone: 007-8632/317493, Fax: 007-8637/310039)

General (Allgemeine Angaben)
Crew (Besatzung): 5
Passengers (Passagiere): maximum of 80 troops or 60 stretchers plus attendants. Proposed passenger version will seat 70 in five-abreast layout, with two toilets in the rear.
Cargo (Fracht): All types of pallettes and containers as well as small tanks and armoured personnell carriers. Two hoists (2,5 tons capacity each) assist with loading.
Power plant (Antrieb): 2 x Progress D-136 turboshafts
Power (Leistung): 2 x 7460 kW (10000 shp)

Dimensions (Abmessungen)
Fuselage length (Rumpflänge): 33,74 m
Length overall, rotor turning (Länge über drehende Rotoren): 40,02 m
Height (Höhe): 8,15 m to top of rotor head
Wheel track (Spurweite): 6,15 m
Main rotor diameter (Hauptrotordurchmesser): 32,00 m
Tail-rotor diameter (Heckrotordurchmesser): 7,61 m
Main rotor disk (Hauptrotorkreisfläche): 804,25 sq m
Tail rotor disk area (Heckrotorkreisfläche): 45,5 sq m
Cabin length (Kabinenlänge): 12,1 m
Cabin width (Kabinenbreite): 3,2 m
Cabin height (Kabinenhöhe): 2,9 - 3,2 m

Weights (Massen)
Empty weight (Leermasse): 28600 kg
Max. Payload (max. Nutzlast): 20000 kg
Fuel (Kraftstoff): 12000 litres
Normal take-off weight (normale Startmasse): 49600 kg
Max. take-off weight (Max. Startmasse): 56000 kg

Performance (Flugleistungen)
Max. level speed (max. Horizontalgeschw.): 295 km/h
Normal cruise speed (Reisegeschwindigkeit): 255 km/h at 500 m, 250 km/h at 1000 m
Speed with external load (Geschw. Mit Außenlasten): about 180 - 200 km/h
Service ceiling (Dienstgipfelhöhe): over 4600 m
Hover ceiling (Schwebeflughöhe)
- out of ground effect (ohne Bodeneffekt): over 1800 m
Range (Reichweite): 800 km with standard fuel
Ferry range (Überführungsreichweite): 1920 km with auxiliary fuel
Endurance (Einsatzdauer): 3 h

Costs (Kosten)
In the mid-90s, prices of 10 to 12 million US-Dollars were quoted.

Customers (Kunden)
Between 200 and 300 Mi-26 were built so far. Among the main customers were Aeroflot (and now its successors) and the Russian military. Known export countries are Belarus, India, Kazakhstan, Peru and Ukraine.

Competitors (Konkurrenz)
None. The Mi-26 is by far the largest helicopter available today.

Remarks (Bemerkungen)
The Mi-26 was designed as a much more powerful replacement of the Mi-6, with a cabin broadly similar in size to the C-130 Hercules. Work began in the early 70s and the first prototype flew on 14. December 1977. After several years of tests, deliveries reportedly commenced in 1982/83.
All Mi-26 are very similar, although Rostvertol offers special fits for passenger transport, medical evacuation, flying-crane operations or as a fuel carrier with large tanks in the cabin.
Nowadays, there are several companies offering the Mi-26 for lease around the world.

Special Slashdot Request Re W: +1, Innovative (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100529)

Would it be possible to have a story titled:

Impeachment Made Easy?

The impeachment request pertains to that of
the current:

Idiot-In-Chief []

Thanks and have a marijuana inspired week!

Re:Water-cooled webserver (0, Offtopic)

Dirtside (91468) | about 12 years ago | (#4100569)

I hereby claim prior art on a Water Cooled webserver to overcome the slashdot effect!
Slashdot may explode when I write this, but here goes...

I hereby claim prior art on a Beowulf cluster of those. Ha!

LOLOL!!! (-1, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | about 12 years ago | (#4100600)



Disclaimer must be a lulu (4, Funny)

serutan (259622) | about 12 years ago | (#4100268)

This looks like a lot of fun. I bet the "not responsible for damage to your equipment" part of their documentation is humongous, but they could probably sum it up with: "Duh!!"

Re:Disclaimer must be a lulu (1)

ultraviolence (601338) | about 12 years ago | (#4100333)

You'd think that make sense for most folks. My favorite part in the review is that it didn't satisfy the reviewers expectations. What in the world did he expect? Subzero temps? "Just thought it'd be colder cuz it's, you know, water." Some people just need the ultra-violence.

Important question... (4, Interesting)

rjw57 (532004) | about 12 years ago | (#4100270)

More importantly can you use the hot water when it comes off the chip to make a hot-coffee/tea tap on the side of your gaming-box?

Fit a Pizza-oven [] to it as well and we'll never need to go out again...

Re:Important question... (3, Interesting)

Papineau (527159) | about 12 years ago | (#4100332)

No, the water is not hot enough, even with a dual Athlon XP1800+. I know, that's the setup I have, although it's from another kit than the one in this article.

Now on to the explanation: heat goes from a colder place to a hotter place. If you want to make coffee from the water, it needs to be at least 80-90C. Now, that's the max (read: if you reach that, pull the plug!!) temperature supported by the XPs, and I think Intel's are a bit lower (75C). If your cooling fluid is hotter than your CPU, it's not cooling anymore, so you have a big problem (actually, the temperature of the CPU will just raise until either it melts or it's hotter enough than your cooling fluid to create a new thermal equilibrium). So even if you wanted to have a coffee tap, all you would end up with is a fried chip.

Re:Important question... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100412)

I guess he forgot to put the tags.

Just an Ad (5, Insightful)

BlueTooth (102363) | about 12 years ago | (#4100271)

Kits like these have been around for a while...Do we really need to put up with stories that are just big ads now too?

Re:Just an Ad (5, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | about 12 years ago | (#4100381)

no, but it won't stop. People have been submitting these stories to get /. exposure more and more recently.

Can we start having an option to moderate stories down? Rate them 0 to 10. That way you can browse at whatever you want (either get them all or get only the top)?

Oh wait, that would make sense.

Re:Just an Ad (1)

BigBir3d (454486) | about 12 years ago | (#4100405)

Considering our karma no longer has a numerical score, the chances of articles being scored seem pretty low.


Re:Just an Ad (0, Offtopic)

garcia (6573) | about 12 years ago | (#4100410)

I'm not talking about OUR Karma. I want STORY karma.

Re:Just an Ad (0, Redundant)

BigBir3d (454486) | about 12 years ago | (#4100486)

no shit sherlock.

that was a reference to us having karma in the past, but no longer. and know we want numerical karma for articles/stories?

best bet is a new type of article - "flagrant ad"

or some such thing...

Re:Just an Ad (2)

garcia (6573) | about 12 years ago | (#4100540)

well "sherlock" since they apparently don't a) research to see if the articles have been posted before or b) care to proofread their own writing then I would assume that they are not going to decide if their articles are "flagrant ads".

Re:Just an Ad (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100585)


This entire thread is full of fags.

...except for me.

...stop looking at my ass.

Re:Just an Ad (0)

GigsVT (208848) | about 12 years ago | (#4100541)

The icon could be a huge buttplug and the ALT text could be "Shameless Plug". :)

Re:Just an Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100413)

Buy that feature at ThinkGeek!

Re:Just an Ad (4, Interesting)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | about 12 years ago | (#4100507)

Can we start having an option to moderate stories down? Rate them 0 to 10. That way you can browse at whatever you want (either get them all or get only the top)?

If you want that, you know where to find it [] . In my opinion, that's a bug, not a feature. You only have to look at the moronic articles that moderated up to see what happens when the lunatics run the asylum.

I like Slashdot just the way it is, thanks, flaws and all. I don't want to see it turn into another socialist mutual masturbation society.

Man (3, Funny)

Jonny Ringo (444580) | about 12 years ago | (#4100275)

If I had the latest in cpu's, motherboards and graphics cards for my computer I wouldn't need a water cooler cause I'd be drooling all over it.

Whoa: Now every little watercooling kit posted? (5, Insightful)

purduephotog (218304) | about 12 years ago | (#4100279)

I'm not one to begrudge a nice review, but on 1 water cooling kit with nothing special?

The water cooling phenomenon is pretty common right now- I'd love to go on about my current issues around a ground-phase loop (i unplug the pump, the computer reboots) but that isn't relevant.

Now if this was an informative article about a number of different water cooling kits, then yes, I think that would deserve a large posting. (yes, the server is slashdotted already).
However, I'd say this is more like direct marketing. There isn't even a link to the manufacturer's link in the slashdot posting, making it impossible to even review the that.
Water cooling is very expensive- pumps run 40$, blocks run 30$, tubing and fittings run 20$, radiators run 50$......
Anyway... thanks for the direct markting blurb, but i think there are more professional ways to advertise a product :)

Re:Whoa: Now every little watercooling kit posted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100442)

Anyway... thanks for the direct markting blurb, but i think there are more professional ways to advertise a product :)

At least most sites have the decency to put "Advertisement" at the top of the article if it's a paid commercial. Shouldn't Slashdot really do this?

Re:Whoa: Now every little watercooling kit posted? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100466)

"Water cooling is very expensive- pumps run 40$, blocks run 30$, tubing and fittings run 20$, radiators run 50$...... "

No, You can cind pumps for $20, tubes and fittings for about $10, and I got radiators from a junk yard for $6 each. A good block, though is still the catch.

Re:Whoa: Now every little watercooling kit posted? (1)

GigsVT (208848) | about 12 years ago | (#4100561)

current issues around a ground-phase loop (i unplug the pump, the computer reboots) but that isn't relevant.

Might as well discuss it, the story is boring enough, and it is ontopic.

I'd say it's not so much a grounding problem as an inductive surge off the pump motor coils. Are you running the pump motor from the computer's power supply? If so, you need a kick supressor of some sort. A diode that is put in parallel with the motor windings and reverse biased to the DC current will usually do nicely. Make sure to pick one of the largish black diodes that they use in power supplies, not the little signal diodes.

Let me know if you need any more tips or have questions. We can meet on IRC to discuss this also, I'm starting a new electronics chat network shortly that this type of question would be perfect for.

That's the worst (1)

inerte (452992) | about 12 years ago | (#4100280)

Attempt to disguise an ad I've ever seen. Really, a review for the "best" water cooling thing out there, and "if" you are haiving problems, etc, etc...

timothy, we're all subjected to posting limits... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100282) least have the decency to wait awhile between front-page posts...

My like myself what? (0, Offtopic)

non-poster (529123) | about 12 years ago | (#4100287)


Too Hot? (2)

spencerogden (49254) | about 12 years ago | (#4100289)

How hot is considered too hot? I'm not overclocking, so I guess I am very likely OK. But how hot is too hot of a 1.3Ghz Celeron? Intel only seems to care about ambient case temp.

Re:Too Hot? (3, Informative)

Jonny 290 (260890) | about 12 years ago | (#4100342)

Ah, but they do care. 85 C [] seems to be the official redline.

Although, informally, if you're breaking 60, rethink your cooling setup.

Re:Too Hot? (1)

TicTacTux (99149) | about 12 years ago | (#4100395)

The specs say something about 80C die temperature or 45C inlet temp (aka ambient).

[I just noticed that my 1.7GHz Celery runs at about 40C in both WinXP and Linux; under WinNT4, the temperature goes up to about 50C. ???]

Re:Too Hot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100429)

maybe NT 4.0 didn't do the NOP cpu idling trick. Hrm. We'll never know without the code though... =P

Re:Too Hot? (3, Interesting)

AntiNorm (155641) | about 12 years ago | (#4100559)

maybe NT 4.0 didn't do the NOP cpu idling trick

To be a bit more accurate, it's the HALT instruction and not the NOP instruction that does this. NOP tells the CPU to 'do nothing and proceed to the next clock cycle' (note that the CPU remains fully on for this) while HALT tells the CPU to 'shut down, but be ready to spring back into action when you receive an interrupt'. HALT powers parts of the CPU down, NOP doesn't. This is where the cooling effect comes from.

Re:Too Hot? (1)

spencerogden (49254) | about 12 years ago | (#4100483)

1.7GHZ Celeron????????

waterfree watercooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100296)

And what is cooling the water? Whatever it is, take it apart and glue it directly onto the processor. No pesky water intermediate.

better solution ... (3, Funny)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | about 12 years ago | (#4100297)

Instead of wasting money on a water cooling unit, why don't people just spend that money on a faster processor!?!?! :)

silly overclockers! :)

Re:better solution ... (2, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 12 years ago | (#4100440)

I did that. Went from a PIII overclocked from 500something to 700+mhz to a "normal" AMD XP 2100. Where the P3 was extremly happy running at the high speed with some very silent fans the XP just wouldn't keep cool even with a much heavier cpu fan and case fans. I also had real stability problems with all 3D games. Temps measured in at 70 celcius.

This weekend I added a simple water cooling set.

  • A common fountain pump
  • 1 cooling block
  • a reservoir
  • a radiator
  • 1 12cm fan
  • Tubing
  • Chemicals for the water
Oh and if you use this as a shopping list(don't ask people in the shop or look at plenty of sites) add some spring to keep the tubing from folding up. Anyway it came to about 300 euro's total.

First I put the radiator inside the case. This cooled the cpu nicely for a while but the water kept getting hotter and hotter. Soon I was back at 70 celcius. I then drilled two big holes and mounted the radiator outside. With a single 12cm softly blowing on it I now have my cpu at 40 degrees after 3 hours of RTCW. Previous five minutes was about max. I am not sure how water cooling could possible make 3D games not crash to the desktop but my problem is solved.

Next weekend I will add a cooler for my graphics card and chipset and maybe even for the HD, 3 more fans on the radiator should take care of the extra heat and I will have a silent stable cool machine.

So the answer is why don't I just spend money on a faster chip? The XP 2300 or so isn't available yet and that thing is bound to be even hotter. Yeah I spend the same on the cooling as on the chip itself(pardon me if I got prices slightly off, I make enough money not to really have to take notice) but now the chip finally operates as it should. Of course I could now overclock the 2100 to 2300 and up, but how many more frames do I really need? Basiclly with chips (x86) running hotter and hotter people who want to run their machines without installing a windtunnel to cool it will have to go the watery way.

The cost is a big one but not more then say a big HD for all you're movies and half of a top vid card. When you have already got the latest cpu, lots of ram, a big HD and the latest vid card a simple water cooling set rounds it of nicely.

To those considering buying the kit advertised, don't. You are messing around with equipment that pumps water around INSIDE you're computer. Buy the best you can find, one fried motherboard and you will have made the money back.

Re:better solution ... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 12 years ago | (#4100500)

300 e's?? what did you buy, a silver block, custom radiator, washing machine pump, airplane industry hoses+springs??

block 20e
radiator 20e(or bong style for free)
pump 20e, brand pump 30e.
hoses 10-20e.
some fan for the rad 5-10e.

85e-100e even if bought not even at the cheapest place.

anyways, congrats on that move, aircooling is for vw's and etc.

but, for 300e.. add 100e and you'd got yourself mx-eva3 or similar.

Bill Clinton dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100307)

Former president only the second president impeached was found dead in a Harlem strip club's bathroom. The fat perverted ex-president was apparantly mugged and beaten by a bar patron at a nudie bar near his office. An extremly larege amount of fat and cholesterol was found in his bloodstream due to binges at McDonald's Also semen was found encrusted around his mouth as he was apparantly engaged in a homosexual sex act with the homeless attacker. more to follow

Sheesh, you'd need a radiator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100308)

Macguyver could of made you a heatsink that'll keep your cpu humming on overclock steroids at -50 with some duct-tape and a plastic drinking cup.

Slashdot Blacklist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100319)

How about keeping track of what sites get slashdotted more than once, and require the owners permission or a change in their netcraft data to more powerful HW before running another story that links to the weak site.

Before it gets /.'d... (-1, Flamebait)

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I have one!!! (5, Informative)

Xzisted (559004) | about 12 years ago | (#4100329)

I actually bought the $300 system from Innovatek for my gaming rig. It keeps the proc around 32 degrees C. They are kind of expensive and for most people completely over the top useless. In my situation it was perfect because my computer sits in a dead air section of my apt. and just kept recycling the hot air pumping the cpu temp up to about 60....which is too warm for my tastes.

The install hassles for a system like this are too much for most people. You have to drill and clean your case and you have to remove and reinstall all the equipment from it. Then you have to spend the time to connect all the hoses and bleed air out of the system. Then...about 7 hours later (yeah...if you do it can take that long) when you finally boot the PC, you get your just rewards....a nice water cooled system that now is about 10lbs. heavier than it was the day before and has about zero functionality added to it.

Like I said...its a little too much of an ornate system for most people.

Re:I have one!!! (2, Insightful)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | about 12 years ago | (#4100455)

for that amount of money, you could have bought a faster video card and CPU in the first place and cooled it with a $20 fan, and wouldn't have to worry about keeping the water-cooling system running or worry about it leaking all over your mobo.

Re:I have one!!! (1)

Xzisted (559004) | about 12 years ago | (#4100487)

Well...there are a couple points here. A) I'm already running a GeForce Ti4600 B) I'm already running an Athlon 2200+XP C) The reason I did it was to reduce the noice and adequately cool the system in the first place. The last thing a computer needs nowadays is more fans. And if you do the system right...there are no leaks. I havent had a single leak in mine and its been running over a month.

My watercooling kit can bless and revive your dead kittens and grant them a +14 to vit.

Re:I have one!!! (1)

Buck2 (50253) | about 12 years ago | (#4100580)

And if you do the system right...there are no leaks. I havent had a single leak in mine and its been running over a month.

I was going to say something stupid about your one month comment, then I remembered something.

The stupid part comes from me just recently (yesterday) coming back from a camping trip. After returning to my house and checking everything over for damages (and more and more) eventually I noticed that I had no idea how long my web/mail/ftp/etc server had been up for. I did an `uptime` on it and it was 6 months. That's pretty cool since I use that same machine for burning CD's, VNC, etc.

Your comment about 1 month without a "water leak" made me laugh because of this recent experience of mine.

Then I realized that we are talking about totally different things. Is a month a reasonable amount of time for a water-cooled system to not leak? I would want at least a couple of years, I'd think. The only reason I would buy water-cooling would be to use it with _multiple_ systems. This would mean that it would have to be air-tight past even the expected lifetime of a single processor.

Try Koolance for a full case. (2, Informative)

jefft (13574) | about 12 years ago | (#4100334)

Koolance [] makes a couple of different water cooled cases. They come with a resevoir two pumps and a radiator on top of the case with 3 fans cooling it. The speed of the fans can be proportional to the temperature of the CPU making it relatively quiet. You can get extra blocks for your hard drives, motherboard and graphics cards.

I built my latest system with one and it's been running like a champ. Dumps a lot of heat into the room though. I recommend them if you're interested in having a quieter system. Especially if you can build your own system, but don't feel up to doing your own water system.

Re:Try Koolance for a full case. (0)

subsimian (526551) | about 12 years ago | (#4100469)

I second this recommendation. When all is said and done, the water cooling is actually gravy - the case on its own rocks. A lesson from experience: Make sure you follow the Koolance instructions, and get yourself an appropriately sized funnel to fill the reservoir on the bottom. I was so impatient, I made cone out of paper. When the paper cone dissolved, I spent the next 15 mins. with a spray bottle injecting water into the reservoir.

Build your OWN watercooling system (1)

AwaxSlashdot (600672) | about 12 years ago | (#4100344)

VERY good tutorial, and for a GF4 too on DeviantPC but it seems thre site is offline right now :( sh tml

Re:Build your OWN watercooling system (1)

mons (124270) | about 12 years ago | (#4100411)

No, it's not, the posting script (I believe) puts an extra space whem it encounters a "html", if you try: dex.s( withou space )html
it will work.

...wha?! (1)

Drunken_Jackass (325938) | about 12 years ago | (#4100356)

I mean c'mon - not only is the review that of only one watercooler & not a head-to-head watercooler vs. watercooler reveiw, but there's no real difference between the watercooler and a Volcano 9 heatsink!!

If you're gonna post reviews, from now on, can they at least be something worth reviewing?

Most be a slow Nerds News day, because i don't think this article matters.

Re:...wha?! (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 12 years ago | (#4100502)

Apart from "From the tests you can see that you get basically the same cooling from a Volcano 9 heatsink, but the Volcano 9 is ten times louder than the Iceberg 1." indeed little diffence. Personally I like those quit spooky times in shooters not to be interrupted by the constant drone of fans. Others might think differently.

But I must agree that this review is nothing new. Now if the poster had given links to all the different kits both air and waterbased that would have been worth it.

Re:...wha?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100535)

And of course, the whole world will stop and shudder because this article has failed to tickle your superior intellect.

Thank you,
-The English Troll

Watercooling is getting interesting (3, Interesting)

JanneM (7445) | about 12 years ago | (#4100358)

It's getting interesting, but _not_ for overclocking or something like that, but rather for noise reduction.

Once, small computers were totally silent. Think of the CBM64, the Mac and others. Even when they got harddrives, it was just a faint whirr in the background. Today, a modern desktop sounds like a passenger plane taking off next to you. In my machine I have five fans and two drives, and that's nothing unusual. At work it's bad enough that I sometimes wear earplugs just to get away from the noise.

Watercooling can help in two ways. First, with a larger, efficient radiator, you don't need a high-rpm fan - and elliminating just one fan does a lot to reduce noise pollution. Second, and for the future, I can envision a water-cooling system that can collect heat from several heat sources in the machine, and cool them all using one radiator and one fan. And when you have that, you could enclose the machine far better than today, getting rid of the noise from the drives as well.


Re:Watercooling is getting interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100449)

They already have kits which allow you to place waterblocks on whatever heat sources you like and it's all connected to a single radiator.

In summer my CPU runs up to 55 celcius on a hot day but it's rated far higher than that by the manufacturer so I don't care. It only needs to last 12 months anyway... then it's upgrade time.

Re:Watercooling is getting interesting (2, Informative)

silicon_synapse (145470) | about 12 years ago | (#4100459)

...for the future, I can envision a water-cooling system that can collect heat from several heat sources in the machine, and cool them all using one radiator and one fan.

You can already do that. Just add more blocks to the line. There blocks available for all the major video cards, hard drives, and the northbridge. All the major components of the computer can be water cooled today. There are still many smaller components that are impractical for water cooling (unless you totally submerse) and need some air cooling. For those one large fan at a low RPM should suffice and be nearly silent.

Re:Watercooling is getting interesting (1)

KillboyPHD (82897) | about 12 years ago | (#4100616)

It's getting interesting, but _not_ for overclocking or something like that, but rather for noise reduction

Absolutely. There's a rule of thumb in the DIY computer market right now: "Fast. Cool. Quiet. Choose two." But watercooling allows for another choice: "All of the above."

I'm pricing a new computer as we speak. For $1450 (incl. tax+shipping) I can put together a machine that's about 3-4 months off the bleeding edge (i.e. pretty fast). Would I spend another $250 for a watercooling system that would eliminate the need for 4 high speed fans to cool off that BTU belching monstrosity? Absolutely.

(BTW, my girlfriend thinks I'm insane, but then again she works 8 hours a day next to a case fan with a failing bearing; I figure her hearing's just going.)

College friend went through two... (1)

bucklesl (73547) | about 12 years ago | (#4100362)

...AMD 1Ghz processors in a span of two weeks trying to overclock them using water cooling. (The UPS is only so fast.) The water dripping on his mobo was an added bonus.

It's cheaper just to pay more for a faster chip, IMHO.

cached copy (1)

10 Speed (519184) | about 12 years ago | (#4100365)

site looks a bit sketchy already, so here you go:
Cached Version []

Fire risk? (1)

bluegreenone (526698) | about 12 years ago | (#4100366)

Is it just me or are do-it-yourself water-cooled PCs just an electrical fire waiting to happen? Unless you have some pretty high grade(expensive) seals, it seems to me the potential for leaks is way too high. I'll definitely think twice before running a partially conductive water through my PC.

Paid Placement? (1)

endoboy (560088) | about 12 years ago | (#4100379)

when did /. start doing product placement? At the very least, we deserve a disclaimer....

must be having to stretch to meet payroll....

Re:Paid Placement? A: Nope. (1)

timothy (36799) | about 12 years ago | (#4100396)

I know this may be a tempting thought, but it simply isn't true.

It's inevitable given the nature of Slashdot that we will mention products, made by companies. This rig is one such. No special conspiracy required.


PVC and ATV WOW! (1)

DCram (459805) | about 12 years ago | (#4100383)

Like im gonna junk the spud gun and the 4 wheeler to cool down the dern CPU thingybob.

Right now i got the 4 wheeler turnin bout 50 fans to beat the friggin heat and the spud gun is launchin empty beer cans a good 150 feet onto the neighbors lawn. Besides what do I need to cool er off for. Unless the Porn is steaming up the computer as much as it does me : )

your like myself (1)

Mantorp (142371) | about 12 years ago | (#4100420)

your really like myself

Why is this on here? (1)

weaponx71 (524109) | about 12 years ago | (#4100428)

Really? Is it ground-breaking? Is it "New"? Is it a blatantly free advertising spoof for a over priced water cooling system?
NO! NO! and YES!
If you want to learn about water cooling, odds are you know of someone who is doing it, or heard about it from a friend, or are at a site which sells the units. This isn't needed on a site like this.
Besides, the systems they sell at these overclocker sites are way over-priced any way.
My cooling system, which I bought the radiator on ebay automotive was brand new, 3 to 4 times the size you will find at a overclocking site and only $23, thats including shipping.
The water pumps are for the most part the same ones used within pond fountains or those fancy worthless desk-top rock fountains, which again can be bought for much less through the proper channels.
My pump is rated over 500+ gallons an hour and again I got it for $26 including shipping.
All in all, my cooling system was about $80.
Go and recruit your goombas somewhere else... were trying to read interesting articles here.
*whew* ok.. rant done...

Crash or sunk? (0)

Lord Prox (521892) | about 12 years ago | (#4100431)

Right now when our computer fails we say "it crashed" if these things get very popular and they fail what do you say? "my box just got torpedoed"... "i'm sunk" "hardware to wetware conversion" how about "my box has the drip" hahahaha.... OK not that funny, but, whatever...

Silent PC (2)

Trevelyan (535381) | about 12 years ago | (#4100438)

I have yet to notice a water cooling system for having a (nearly) silent PC. All the ones I seen have been to cool CPU only, mainly to overclock it.

What I'd like is a complete water cooling solution, ie: water cool CPU, GPU, Disk/CD drive, and Case/MB. Thus having NO fans inside at all.

A problem I see with this is condensation, with just CPU cooling u insulate it all so only CPU is exposed to the coolness of the water, so condensation can be controled. But with a water cooling system for all the parts in your box I think this may become more of a problem.

Re:Silent PC (2)

(H)elix1 (231155) | about 12 years ago | (#4100489)

I'm one. The first time was for an audio work station. Computer needed to be in the room, but no noise allowed. Very fun project. The kicker was building a water cooled ATX power supply. Heat exchanger was in another room. Koolance(sp?) makes a power supply, btw, if you don't want to role your own.

Since then, I've slowly dumped my fans for water based systems. I don't mind the noise from my power supplies, hdd, and video cards, but dumping a 48db ytech fan was fantastic.

As for water, no overclock, no need for a peltier. I have no condensation issues since the water is running around room temp. Cold water presents some interesting issues, but not at 30C....

Re:Silent PC (1)

silicon_synapse (145470) | about 12 years ago | (#4100526)

First of all, you can already watercool every major component in your pc. You still need a fan or two to keep other minor circuits from over heating the inside of your case. As far as condensation goes, unless you use peltiers or something it's not a problem. A standard water cooling system stays at about room tempterature or maybe a couple of degrees over. Condensation will not form unless the water drops below room temperature which is literally impossible with just a fan and radiator. If you do use a peltier or something to further cool the block, there are gaskets available to seal off your CPU and block from the surounding air so condensation shouldn't be a major problem if done correctly.

Re:Silent PC (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 12 years ago | (#4100570)

The radiator can only be cooled (in regular setups) by room temperature air. So the water in it will not decrease below ambient. Water and air can be used to go below ambient by evaporation (like air blowing over wet skin) but this is unlikely to occur.

Condensation therefore does not cause any problems. Once you start cooling the water with say a fridge or use a peltier between the cooling block and the heat source then of course condensation becomes a very real problem but this is hardly needed for a quit PC.

I have now tested a basic setup for myself(see other comment) and hope soon to start building my own case with the aim of being completly silent. Yes even the bloody DVD-rom. Removing all fans however will not be needed. Just for them to be replaced by slow moving big ones. These don't have to make anymore noise then the hum of the electronics itself.

this counts as NEWS? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 12 years ago | (#4100448)

like, you could have this kinda headline on slashdot every gddamn week. there's at least 20+ kits available, and few(at least several) that sell cases with ready wc stuff.

and even some that will cough up the dough if the block fails(in intended use, correctly installed) and your gfx+mobo gets screwed.

me, i've been watercooling for ~2+ years.

Where's the moderation for articles...?? (1)

krinsh (94283) | about 12 years ago | (#4100457)

Didn't we see this one a little while ago, thus making it 'redundant'?

Water cooling problems? (1)

xchino (591175) | about 12 years ago | (#4100464)

Won't the water inside the system cause water in the air outside to condensate and drip onto your system? I was told this was the case by my Operations and Maintenance professor in High School.

It's a Computer, AND a Delicious Treat! (2)

Spencerian (465343) | about 12 years ago | (#4100470)

The human brain burns, by calculation, about 20 watts of power.

The Pentium 4 does 75 watts. W.T.F.

For cryin' out loud--instead of some water cooling, why don't take advantage of the inferno and add a damn Easy-Bake Oven [] as an upgrade? I can make some brownies while I'm blowing the brownies out of some fragbait in Unreal Tournament.

Aint want no fan (1)

Density_Altitude (250074) | about 12 years ago | (#4100485)

I would like a water cooling system which could cool down HD, Power Supply, Video GPU etc. and be able to put the pump/radiator/fan far away.
Or don't use radiator/fan, just pump the water from the swimming pool and put it back in so that we start crunching numbers and get an heated swimming pool ;-)

New business-model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100497)

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Buy watercooling kit.
4: Profit!

Peltier junctions? (1)

Hayzeus (596826) | about 12 years ago | (#4100518)

I've never had an overwhelming urge to overclock a CPU, so I'm obviously pretty clueless, but wouldn't a peltier junction cooler be easier?

I realize that the hot side of a peltier device puts out quite a bit of heat which has to be gotten rid of -- is this why people end up resorting to water cooling?

Awful, awful kit (1)

parkanoid (573952) | about 12 years ago | (#4100519)

It's one of the worst kits I ghave seen recently. The waterblock is inefficient, the radiator is too small, and overall it's not worth the money. Just get an slk-800 + vantec tornado for $68 if you want decent value, or the swiftech kit if you want decent performance. Best of all, build one yourself, it's really not much harder than assembling the premade stuff.

old fart bitching about language misuse (2)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | about 12 years ago | (#4100555)

However, if your like myself and have no creative skills whatsoever...
...or language skills, apparently. The contraction of "you are" is "you're."

"Watercooling Made Easy"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100567)

So how hard is it to stand by a watercooler anyway? Our boss thinks it is already a problem without you making it "easy".

oops (1)

tux-sucks (550871) | about 12 years ago | (#4100583)

I think we overclocked overclockersclub

suggestion (2)

brad3378 (155304) | about 12 years ago | (#4100615)

> You can build your own water cooling system out of scrap parts such as a radiator from an ATV

like any motorcycle or ATV parts, this sounds expensive to me.

Why not try an aftermarket automatic transmission cooler like This one at Jegs? []
This one is kinda big since its made for race-cars, but I think you could find one at a Napa store for like 30 bucks.

A heater core might be better suited but you would need to adapt to garden-hose sized tubing.

can you say ghetto? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4100639)

looks pretty ghetto to me, not worth $99! Definately not worth $129 for the POS PSU hehe
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