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KDE 3.1 Beta Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the get-it-on dept.

KDE 411

shadow303 writes "KDE 3.1 beta has been released. There are numerous improvements, including tabbed browsing with Konqueror." I still can't say I care for tabbed browsing, but a lot of people swear by it. The new style/theme looks quite excellent, as do the various improved dialog boxes.

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kdestudio (offtopic) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119717)

Does anyone know where to download the old (free) kdestudio?

Re:kdestudio (offtopic) (0)

nocomment (239368) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119731)

http://www.thekompany.com/projects/kdestudio/

3.1? (4, Funny)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119718)

Gnome is only 2.0 so I guess KDE is better right?

Re:3.1? (5, Funny)

plugger (450839) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119759)

I think I'll wait for KDE 3.11 for workgroups.

Re:3.1? (3, Funny)

red_dragon (1761) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119989)

I think I'll wait for KDE 3.11 for workgroups.

But we'll have to wait 93 years for the release of KDE '95.

Re:3.1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119887)

No, there are still several releases yet:

KDE 3.11 for Workgroups
KDE NT 3.5
KDE NT 3.51 (first stable release)
KDE 95, 98, 98SE (crap)
KDE 2000 (next stable release, use this)

Re:3.1? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119914)

No, but gnome sucks regardless.

Re:3.1? (2)

dzym (544085) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119943)

Same way Netscape 6.0 was better than IE 5.5.

... but Gnome sucks anyway.

Oh My Gosh!!!!!!! (0, Troll)

RebelTycoon (584591) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119720)

Another beta is out... Hurry, everyone, new beta, new beta, new beta...

BTW... Haven't heard in a while, what Kernel version is Linux up to...

Because nerds need to know every point!

Re:Oh My Gosh!!!!!!! (2)

unicron (20286) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119958)

Yeah, but you're nipping at the heels of us nerds. Why you gotta playa hate?

Re:Oh My Gosh!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120023)

playa hate 'r'

No dawg... I'm just saying no need for every point announcement... But today is a slow day...

Much respect to the peeps in the ghetto! Keep it real r-eye-t

fp! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119732)

fp!!!!!

Tabbed browsing (3, Interesting)

LunarOne (91127) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119739)

Tabbed browsing is, of course, the bomb! I can't use IE anymore because of it. I middle click on links with IE and when nothing happens, it is just so annoying. It's like browsing in a dark place.

Frsit Psot?

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

jachim69 (125669) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119767)

I agree. Middle clicking to open a new window has become ingrained in my browsing habits. Now if Mozilla/Netscape would just put a close button on every tab the way Galeon does. I despise switching to the tab then closing or having to right click on the tab to get the context menu.

Re:Tabbed browsing (0)

Arnold_Crenshaw (602569) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119795)

Simply use CTRL+W.

Re:Tabbed browsing (2, Informative)

Dopefish_1 (217994) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119811)

I despise switching to the tab then closing or having to right click on the tab to get the context menu.
So middle-click on the tab instead.

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

Unknown Bovine Group (462144) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119935)

Tabbed browsing rocks the house, except for that painful adjustment period where you're finished with one site so you close the window, then realize you had 5 other sites in other tabs that you just closed.

Gives you a feeling akin to realizing you left your keys in the car just as you let go of the car door. Not quite as bad, but annoying.

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

blackula (584329) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119944)

You sir are my new god.

Re:Tabbed browsing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120052)

wouldnt it be #include "sig.h" ?

Re:Tabbed browsing (2)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119816)

Use <control>-W to close them. The combination of middle-click to open tabs and <control>-W to close them is hard to beat.

I'm really starting to like the click the middle-button and drag left to go back a page or right to go forward in Galeon. I need to find out if you can close windows that way as well...

Wyatt

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

jachim69 (125669) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119855)

Yes, Ctrl-W works great, but it's still a 2 step process. As was pointed out by another response, middle clicking the tab also closes it. This I did not know, and having just tried it, I'm now much happier with Netscape 7.

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

zudo (307075) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119908)

Install this [mozdev.org] in Mozilla and you can use gestures there too.

Defaults to right button to use gestures but I soon reconfigured to use the middle one....

Re:Tabbed browsing (2)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119819)

That's why we use hotkeys- Ctrl-W is your friend. :)

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

SnotRag (67465) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119885)

In mozilla, you can middle-click on the tab to close it, regardless of focus. I actually prefer this to Galeon's separate close button. Though in Mozilla I much prefer the way it dynamically resizes tabs when they get to the end of the screen. Anyone know if this can be done in Galeon?

Re:Tabbed browsing (2)

Rudeboy777 (214749) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119854)

The feature that makes IE unusable for me is the lack of gesture recognition. It took me all of 11 seconds to get used to "swiping" a page back. Now I can't bear the wait while I move the pointer all the way up to that Back button.

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

yasth (203461) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119906)

Shift+Scrolling the wheel down = Back in IE

Isn't quite a gesture but is helpful.

Re:Tabbed browsing (1)

uberdave (526529) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119901)

The thing I like about tabbed browsing is that those annoying pop-up/pop-under ads merely open up a new tab. You never see them.

Aaargh! (0, Redundant)

dcardamo (260476) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119741)

I just finished installing 3.03 with gentoo! Took all night and I have to start all over :)

Re:Aaargh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119814)

I'm beginning to think that these sort of comments are the reincarnation of our now-dying Beowulf brethren.

Re:Aaargh! (0, Offtopic)

Lazar Dobrescu (601397) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119955)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these sort of comments!

Re:Aaargh! (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119991)

Maybe you should try out these new-fangled pre-compiled binaries. You see, somebody with a faster computer then you compiles the program before you download it so that everybody that wants the software doesn't have to waste time doing what only really needs to be done once.

Having the ability to build a program yourself is nice, and comes in handy occationally, but if you compile everything yourself you're just wasting cycles.

okay... (1)

Zen (8377) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119742)

so what's tabbed browsing?

Re:okay... (1)

JHelgie (598219) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119805)

You can have multiple web pages open at once in the browser, there are tabs on the screen that you can use to switch between them, so you dont need to have tons of browsers open at once.

Re:okay... (3, Informative)

LunarOne (91127) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119861)

Well, you know what tabs are (eg. right click on "My Computer" on Windows and the tabs at the top are General, Device Manager, Hardware Profiles, Performance).

Well, in Mozilla, you can set it up so that you can:
a) right-click on a link and instead of open the page in another window, you can open it in another tab.
b) middle click on a link and it will open up the additional page in a tab.
c) type a url in the address bar and instead of pressing ENTER, press CTRL-ENTER and the page will be opened in a tab.


Thus, you have one copy of Mozilla running, but within the browser, a tab for each page that you want to view. No more billions of sessions open in the task bar at the bottom of your UI.

Best of all, you can set your preferences so that Mozilla loads the tabs in the background. A great application of this is: open the Slashdot page. Middle-click on all the "Read more..." links of stories you are interested in. You will have, within your browser, tabs with headings that you can look at, one at a time. Then, you can read each story, close the tab and look at the next and so on.

If you haven't or won't use this feature, force yourself to. You'll never go back.

Re:okay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119883)

HA HA U R FUNNE!!

Re:okay... (1)

*xpenguin* (306001) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119997)

Still using netscape 4.77?

I just have to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119743)

This is good news.

You Windows people just don't know what you are missing!

Why do you like to live by Bill's schedule? Don't you want new products coming at a faster rate? Cut the cord! Take the plunge! Get out of Willy G's rotating door.

emacs rules!

Re:I just have to say... (0)

Arnold_Crenshaw (602569) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119827)

Please direct me to a stability comparison of WXP and any given recent Linux distro. I would like to know how much to risk; whether I should switch. I mean, I have mozilla and crappy visual styles. That's 80% of the way there.

Re:I just have to say... (1)

chipandrews (596486) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119843)

What makes you think we're not running Mozilla? No pop-ups is the way to go....

Re:I just have to say... (1)

alphatool (603160) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119984)

I know what I'm missing, but my boss doesn't and niether do our clients, so I'm stuck with windows for now. (It's not that bad. It's almost as good as the other options [OSX *BSd linux etc.], and it only costs a few thousand dollars more :))

My first impressions. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119748)

It still sucks!!

Windows Explorer 4eva!!

niggers love KDE 3.1 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119753)

especially if you deep fry it

Re:niggers love KDE 3.1 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119768)

and watermelon flavored. fucking niggers

Tabbed (0)

Gaggme (594298) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119757)

Tab browsing has never been a full defining factor in preferences to me. I find that perhaps a truly revolutionary interface need to be made. Functional yet simple enough for the masses.
Bet the aliens from "Independence Day" are kickin themselves for making their systems "simple" though.

Tabbed browsing better for Pron (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119762)

Why is it better... Well its like having everything in the palm of your hand....

OR

Maybe thinking about it as the tabs as a magazine, all nicely bound, rather then pages spread out over the floor...

OR

I know... Its best when someone walks in on your session and all you have to do is kill ONE window to hide Ms Nasty rather then 15.

Posting Anonymously so I don't go blind!

wow how original (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119763)

why don't they come up with their own themes instead of ripping off OSX and XP???

Re:wow how original (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119806)

why innovate when you can just masturbate?

Re:wow how original (0)

Arnold_Crenshaw (602569) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119871)

I KNOW! Rip off OS/2! (You did look at the screenshots, didn't you?)

Besides the fact that the defaults are fugly, they're not all that innovative (which is, if you hadn't notice, the point - make it familiar to get people to use it).

Let's get it over with now... (0, Flamebait)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119771)

  • KDE sucks---use GNOME!
  • GNOME sucks---use KDE!
  • KDE and GNOME suck---use IceWM/Fluxbox/Windowmaker/PWM
  • GUIs suck---back in my day, all we had were vt100 terminals, and we liked it that way!

I use PWM myself, but if you like eyecandy and configurability, both KDE and GNOME are really starting to look nice.

Wyatt

Re:Let's get it over with now... (1)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119869)

Oh heck, none of them compare to Aqua... ;-)

vt100 terminals! (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119881)

Man, in my day we had teletypes! We had to look at the output on wide paper with green bars on it that was spat out of machines that sounded like M-60s when they were printing!

Kids these days, with their glass ttys, got no appreciation of the old tried and true technology. Sheesh!

Re:vt100 terminals! (-1, Offtopic)

ites (600337) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119961)

Lucky bastards. Paper! Ink!!
We were so hard up that we had to listen
to the noise the teletype made
and try to guess the letters it was printing.
The 'virtual machine' was invented
in our computing department.
It consisted of a virtual drive (a slice of salami),
a virtual memory (two olives)
and a virtual i/o system (a toothpick).
But it had several advantages.
It was fast. Virtually infinite speed.
It was stable. Virtually never crashed.
And it was portable. Someone ate it.
We tried to build a Mark II but somehow it
was never the same again.
The documented increase in productivity after
deployment of our Mark I was about the same
as that of PCs during the dot-com era: 0%.

Re:Let's get it over with now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119888)

I still use vt100 terminals. Hell, I just got done using one to initialize some back-up tapes.

And if that's not scary enough, I initialized the tapes in a stacker controlled by a 15 year old vax machine that was 400k when we bought it.

And it's all connected by thin-net!

And what do I do you ask? Nuclear Security. Yeah, tremble and know fear, baby.

Re:Let's get it over with now... (0, Offtopic)

blackula (584329) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119969)

Serious?

Re:Let's get it over with now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120048)

Yeah, we have a lot of really old crap. If you're outside the datacenter, you're on thinnet connected to an old DEC thinnet hub that looks like it weighs 100 pounds and is made of gold.

Granted, right next to the vax machines and vt100 terminals we have a few hunderd dl380 rackmounts, and a few dozen really high end alpha boxes running tru64. And they're all in the data center obviously, so they're on cat5, not thinnet. Building to building we have fiber connections. But client to switch it's all thinnets and dalni's. Hell, we put a proposal to go wifi but the security risk was just too much, even though the buildings are 1000 yards from the nearest public street.

Re:Let's get it over with now... (1)

ScoLgo (458010) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119973)

If you were doing all that with WFWG 3.11, then we'd be scared spit-less. ;-]

Re:Let's get it over with now... (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119918)

You forgot:
  • CLI's suck -- I'm so l33t, I can setup and configure a firewall on a headless server!

Re:You forgot binary dipswitch inputs (1)

chill (34294) | more than 12 years ago | (#4120024)

Don't you recall the 9-switch settings? 1 for each of 8 bits in a byte and a "commit" switch to enter the byte into the next sequential memory location.

That and blinking lights. Lots of blinking lights.

nice color sense... *cough* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119784)

its just like being back in pre school again... got to love those bright primary colors!

"KDE : the desktop choice of 5 year olds!"

Is there a Windows version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119796)

I'm serious. Is there?

Re:Is there a Windows version? (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119879)

u can run KDE via cygwin. KDE-CYGWIN [sourceforge.net] though i haven't tried it.

Re:Is there a Windows version? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120021)

When you make an assumption, you make an ass of u and mption.

Re:Is there a Windows version? (2)

Lxy (80823) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119913)

While it hasn't been tested, the KDE-Cygwin FAQ [sourceforge.net] mentions that most of the fixes needed for KDE2-Cygwin have already been patched into the 3.0 tree. In short, it should work, but no one's tried it yet.

If you're willing to try it, and have the CPU time to do it, I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.

Text of the press release. (1)

mwjlewis (602559) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119802)

Here [slashdot.org]

Re:Text of the press release. (1)

mwjlewis (602559) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119837)

Doh... HERE [mwjl.com]
Sorry

Re:Text of the press release. (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119892)

Nope, no dice. Thrid strike and your out...

Re:Text of the press release. (1)

mwjlewis (602559) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119959)

Man, i am having trouble today.
TESTED THIS ONE OUT [mwjl.com]

Re:Text of the press release. (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 12 years ago | (#4120005)

Very good. It works

KDE and the new America (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119813)

One has to wonder if it is decent or even moral to use KDE these days. Since the 11th of September, we as Americans have had an opportunity to examine ourselves and our core values, and the question must be asked: does KDE fit into these core values, and is it something that ought to be a part of our day-to-day lives as we come to grips with the new reality that has been thrust upon us?

One thing must be understood: KDE is virtually 100% foreign technology. The foundation of KDE is the Qt toolkit, a set of GUI widgets developed by TrollTech, a Norwegian company. Norway, like the rest of Scandanavia and Europe in general, is an extremely socialist country. Socialism is something that Americans decided long ago would not be allowed in our nation, and yet millions of Linux users are downloading it without so much as a second thought. Beyond that, Norway's liberal immigration laws have allowed all sorts of unsavory characters into their nation... including the Muslims with which we are currently at war.

The rest of the KDE intrinsics are developed by primarily European agitators, folks who would not bat an eyelash at knocking down the capitalist foundation upon which our nation has been built. Bashing Microsoft is a popular sport in this forum, but the truth must be told: MSFT is an American company that employs American citizens with American families. Joke all you want about Microsoft employees, but they need to eat just like the rest of us do. For the life of me, I cannot understand why one would eschew Microsoft products in favor of things such as KDE.

Now, MSFT products are not perfect, but the last time I checked, neither was KDE! So in a very real sense, we are talking about choosing the lesser of two evils, and in this case the choice could not be clearer (at least, in the opinion of this patriot.) Using KDE doesn't help this country one bit, but purchasing dutifully from Microsoft helps to ensure our economic vitality (and, by extension, our nation, our military, and our way of life.)

I doubt that Osama bin Laden owns a PC, but if he did, he'd probably be running KDE. Does this make you comfortable? It shouldn't.

Re:KDE and the new America (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119966)

The thing I love about 'patriots' is how incredibly good they are at failing to recognize what helps and what does not help their cause. It's hilarious .. cute, almost.

Re:KDE and the new America (0, Offtopic)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119998)

The thing I love about anonymous cowards is how incredibly good they are at failing to recognize irony, subtlety, and wit. It's hilarious .. cute, almost.

Tabbed Browsing (0, Troll)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119825)

Once an avid IE user (I've hated netscape since I think it was called "gold" edition), I tried Mozilla due to its Tabbed Browsing, which for anyone who DOESNT know (I didnt until I used it) is that you can open links in the same window, but they are in different tabs, like a notebook is divided into sections using... wait for it... tabs. this means that when you're flipping between multiple pages, you dont have to have umpteen windows open. Now, this has nothing to do with KDE 3.1 or whatever, but tabbed browsing is wonderful, and those of you who havent used it, should try out Mozilla.

and I am a staunch (ducks) Windows (covers head) XP professional user, so its not like I switched because of a hatred for M$ (note, I play lots of games, so Windows works better for me)

tabbed browsing. (3, Funny)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119849)

how could you not like it? Instead of having to open 5 different windows of Mozilla I have just one and easy access to each (I use E and don't have the option of a taskbar or icons).

I can have Slashdot open, my banking open, and porn (three different ones usually).

Also probably conserves on my short memory usage ;)

multitasking with tabs (4, Insightful)

mblase (200735) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119974)

I use tabs a lot on sites like Slashdot -- especially once I figured out how to use 'em fast. By checking a couple of preferences in Mozilla, I can control-click (or right-click and select) any link and have it open in a new tab, behind my current web page.

Usually I scroll down the Slashdot home page, open up a few story links in new tabs without any other interruptions, and keep scrolling. When I'm done, I close that tab and all the stories I wanted to read are loaded and ready.

You can do the same with multiple windows, I suppose, but it's not as compact and the new browser windows usually load over the one you're currently on, not under it.

Re:tabbed browsing. (2)

Monkeyman334 (205694) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119975)

I'm a web developer and need to get to refernce sites, my terminal, and a testing window. So I'm not always in a browser window and like to access things from the taskbar directly. Which is why I don't use tabs. But to avoid making a mess I much prefer KDE's (it's also in Widnows XP now) taskbar groups.

Have they fixed C++ binary symbol preloading yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119850)

Or is KDE still using objprelink?

Re:Have they fixed C++ binary symbol preloading ye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119857)

the answer to both of your questions is YES

Re:Have they fixed C++ binary symbol preloading ye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119979)

So I guess the binutils have not been fixed and the objprelink hack is needed.
That's too bad. The hack involves an extra jump instruction per function, which makes the code slower after it has been loaded.

I don't get it... (3, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119865)

I've only used Linux via the GUI for a few months (ya, ya I know...)... but why is there KDE and Gnome? Why are the two not one. The only differences I see between the two are skins, very minor UI functionality, and some utils that are unique to either or. But why can't KDE and Gnome be merged, and allow the end user to customize everything the way they want? And use the utilities they want. I like KDE's appearence, but I hate it's 'feel' when actually doing tasks.

What is so fundamentally different between Gnome and KDE that doesn't allow them to be merged into one project? IMHO that's all that is required to finally get a solid Desktop presence for linux.

Re:I don't get it... (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119917)

Gnome uses gtk and kde uses qt. There was this big was a long time ago, as qt wasn't gpled, thus gnome started. Then qt was gpled and gnome kept going, thus the two. I like having a choice tho, so No skin off of my back

Re:I don't get it... (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119937)

well they are based on completely different architectures, not to mention the underlying libraries (GTK and Qt), "merging" them (even if the developer teams wanted to) would probably be no less work than creating a new environment from scratch.

and in any case, why should there be only one? (unless they start playing a theme song by Queen on startup, or something)

Re:I don't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119972)

"What is so fundamentally different between Gnome and KDE that doesn't allow them to be merged into one project?"

just about everything, in terms of archetecture. They are only the "same" in that they have the same broad goals, more or less (be a friendly desktop environment, incorporate more featurful/integrated libraries then *nix gui's usually have, etc). However, the way that they both are constructed is quite different, an not very compatable.

Has anyone got the SuSE Binaries to Work (2)

alistair (31390) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119880)

The site provides RPMs for Suse, they can be downloaded from

http://download.at.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3. 1-beta1/SuSE/i386/8.0/ [kde.org]

However, when I check the RPMs I get

error: failed dependencies:
libkviewsupport.so.0 is needed by kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0


Any ideas where kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0 can be found, rpmfind didn't turn up anything useful. I am using SuSE 8 with a full install of KDE3.03, but this has been updated many times since its initial install as SuSE 7.0.

I did get some components working. The panel is much improved, and support for dual head displays looks much better (the panel can now be configured on a per display basis). However, I couln't convince Konq to display any web page, in tabs or otherwise :-(.

Correction (2)

alistair (31390) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119898)

Sorry, that should have read, any idea where libkviewsupport.so.0 can be found, kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0 is the base package.

The link is messed up... (2)

gsfprez (27403) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119893)

the link in the story is mistakenly going to Apple's website [apple.com]

i mean, only Apple users would want to slow down their system with drop shadows, lickable buttons, translucent drop-down menus? I just want to get work done.

Re:The link is messed up... (2, Funny)

peg0cjs (572593) | more than 12 years ago | (#4120007)

i mean, only Apple users would want to slow down their system with drop shadows, lickable buttons, translucent drop-down menus? I just want to get work done.

Lickable buttons? Wow! Does that mean we need to get touch-screens now, too? I hope I don't get a <ZOT!>

Emace or VI or.... Kate? (5, Interesting)

zulux (112259) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119902)


Kate has been a god send 'round here - Programmers who are just starting out the *NIX way need a editor that behaves kinda-like Windows notepad or other Windows IDE editors, but has cool features, and Kate fits the bill. The code folding works well and the whole package is just a joy to use.

Eventually they all should move to Emacs or VI for better productivity, but for the small, insignificant, time it takes to learn Kate, it's suprisingly productive.

Perhaps Kate will evolve to add the features of Emace, but I hope those features are 'hidden' and don't destroy the easy to learn interface of the curent Kate.

Bit-o-somthing: All out instances of Kate run on one BSD box and are viewed on Windows destops via VNC. It's the same soluton that we use for our clients that want to keep their Windows but use out *NIX apps that we make for them. It makes us both happy; they get to keep Windows Solitare and viruses, and out app is safly running on a real operating system.

Re:Emace or VI or.... Kate? (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 12 years ago | (#4120044)

VIM can easily be configured as a KPart component and used in almost all KDE programs. take a look at KVim [freehackers.org] . Vi rocks period.

Geez 3.1 beta is out (1)

2000 Britneys (549923) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119939)

what's next Mandrake 9.0 PR1? where does the insanity end. I just installed MDK 9.0 beta 1 and they have beta 3 on the servers now. KDE 3.1 ? I haven't tested the vs. 3.0x yet !!! gota go out (arrg the sun is bad for my CRT burnt skin) and get me some more cdrs. Thank gawd they are cheep. But seriously why do we need newer and newer versions of the same software every 2, 3 months? Can't they just provide seervice packs or something to upgrade the software?

Re:Geez 3.1 beta is out (1)

jascat (602034) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119963)

That's why you get a distribution where you can upgrade/update more easily via net (ex. Debian w/ apt or Gentoo with portage). I haven't burned a full cd install of linux in a looong time. DG

Re:Geez 3.1 beta is out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120050)

Nobody is forcing you to upgrade! better yet, its beta, so KDE is only requesting you to try it and report back the encountered errors.

stick to your pretty recent version if you don't have the time to install and test.

You want to be bleeding edge all the time? Gentoo is the way.
You want easy upgrading? Debian is the way

On the other hand. I'm getting tired of downloading 50 meg files, with only minute differenences in them compared to the previous version.

gotta check out cvs on day. .flake.

nice balenced /. journalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4119941)

no offense intended towards the KDE folks (you guys rawk), but... 2 KDE stories today, and no mention of Gnome 2.0.1 anywhere... this site is wack.

Transparency? (2)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119952)

How does it work in KDE/Qt? There were a few screenshots that showed real-look transparency, in menus for example. Through the menu, you could see the windows below it and/or the desktop. Prior to this, with the exception of a hacked X server, the only transparency I've seen is the transparent-to-root-window like with an eterm or gnome-terminal.

Is whoever took this SS using a hacked X server, or does Qt now have it's own display sub system that does rendering for all Qt Windows, including let Qt applications share real a alpha channel with eachother?

Re:Transparency? (3, Interesting)

Raster Burn (213891) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119996)

I believe it just takes a quick screen shot to create the transparency effect. It does cause a little lag to render the transparency, but I do like the effect. It's not enough of a lag to be annoying on my 850MHz PC.

Re:Transparency? (2, Informative)

madstork2000 (143169) | more than 12 years ago | (#4120042)

I don't know much about the fundemental architecture, but the transparency I get is from mosfets liquid theme.

http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html

According to his site his theme uses custom QT widgets. But it is easy to install and not special tweaks were needed to the X server.

I really don't know squat about how it all works, I just thought I would point out this one particular way transparency is handled. Hope it helps get you started.

MS2k

KDE RPMs? (1)

dowright27 (560025) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119983)

Anyone know where to find KDE 3.1 beta RPMs?

still ugly (0, Insightful)

elliotj (519297) | more than 12 years ago | (#4119993)

I may be spoiled by Mac OS X (ok, ok, I KNOW I'm spoiled by Mac OS X), but I think KDE is still an ugly interface. What's up with that? They could make it purty,,,why don't they?

Re:still ugly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120026)

I'm sorry. But while little Macfucks like yourself are obsessed with aesthetics, the rest of us would like to get work done. Go away.

works great on FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4120019)

With FreeBSD's superior VM and stable fs, KDE works even better on FreeBSD.

Sexy (2)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 12 years ago | (#4120031)

I'm hoping for some further advances in stability and speed. I'm sick of Konq segfaults from clicking back a few times.

None the less, KDE 3.1 looks sexy!

Ya Baby. Ya!
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