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Going Back To The Past of the Internet

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the blast-from-the-past dept.

The Internet 224

*no comment* writes "deadly.org currently has a story about a new grassroot network springing up. It consists of free shell access, and is trying to revitalize the olden days of the Internet. Free speech, free information are the key features, but I wonder if this is jsut another free DDoS drone as well."

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224 comments

Way to ruin his whole goal... (5, Funny)

the Man in Black (102634) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129841)

I didn't want to get slashed so I avoided that like the plague.

Thanks again,
Scott


Well, there goes that idea.

Re:Way to ruin his whole goal... (1)

Kyller (160528) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129928)

He doesn't have to worry, Deadly.org is slashdoted now, so no one can get the link.

RA Way to save the whole thing (4, Interesting)

cosmosis (221542) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129948)

Ok here is the plan/possibility. Request slashdot feedback:

The idea mentioned in the story is a noble one, but what about this:

Already 801.11a-b networks are emerging. And soon UWB networks as well. What is to keep new protocols and p2p networks, and what Crngley mentioned as ad-hoc wireless mesh networks from popping up spontaneously all over the globe, and eventually having this island wireless networks start to connect and talk with each other - and before you know it - we have a whole NEW internet, one that does not go thru the big boys, one that is anarchistic, spontaneous, unregulated and wireless.

With 802.11 being built into all future chips, such a possibility seems more and more likely. Imagine the new internet - NAN's, WAN, LANS, all over the place.

Is this where things might go, or is it also doomed to invasion from large corporate and governmental forces?

Because (4, Funny)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130072)

The big boys will buy laws to prevent it. They will claim, if unregulated mediums are allowed to exist [child molesters | pirates | hackers | terorists] will use it to [destroy | bankrupt | harm ] [society | people | children | industries].


Don't forget, it is to protect [children | innovation | freedom | life].

Re:Because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130099)

And they'll be right. There is the pesky problem of the Constituion (in this country) but you can't really argue with their logic can you?

Re:Because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130130)

They will claim, if unregulated mediums are allowed to exist [child molesters | pirates | hackers | terorists]

You forgot "spammers". As long as laws against spamming exist, anonymous internet access is doomed.

Spam can't be. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130351)

Spam can't be anonymous.


At some point, they are advertising something that they want your money for.


Yep. I paid you. You just didn't know it was me.

Re:Because (4, Funny)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130283)

how can child molesters bankrupt children?? charge them money for the candy they entice them with?

i think your regexp needs some work

I think (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130343)

that would be morally.

Re:RA Way to save the whole thing (1)

p7 (245321) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130261)

We need some regulation and order to make things work. Imagine the IP number contention problems you would get without regulation.

Re:RA Way to save the whole thing (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130290)

I believe that this can be overcome with IPv6 in combination with a algorithm
that converts latitude, longitude, and altitude into a valid Ipv6 address.

Re:RA Way to save the whole thing (0)

elixx (242653) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130334)

I don't know whether it would be beneficial to
have a freedom-of-speech promoting anarchistic
sprawling network using addressing based upon
location...

Re:RA Way to save the whole thing (2)

cosmosis (221542) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130301)

So you are going on record to say that the currently unregulated 801.11 will become regulated. This is interesting, because that would mean that all of our handheld home phones would have to be regulated too. This would cause a bureaucratic nightmare for all of us.

Re:Way to ruin his whole goal... (4, Interesting)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129969)

Okay, we've heard your reasons for not wanting to post cache versions of /.'ed sites [slashdot.org] , but what's your explantion for allowing a site to be slashdotted when the maintainer is actively trying to avoid having his machine melted down by the slashdot effect let alone the inevitable DDOS that will follow, given the nature of his service?

At the very best, this is kinda irresponsible.

Re:Way to ruin his whole goal... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130036)

True. Fully Ack.

slashdot's niveau is decreasing with every day it stays online :-/

Re:Way to ruin his whole goal... (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130234)

No kidding. For the non-com sites (ie, no banner ads), their argument is that the guy might update and the info will be out of date. Which is worse....

1. The info transmitted is 1 hour out of date.

Or....

2. No info is transmitted because /. went Hiroshima on his poor server and the thing is currently a puddle of molten silicon?

Seriously, which approach would be "erring on the side of caution"? If it were me, and I were doing some cool shit that seems like it might get slashdotted, I would at least reject any request if last site visited was /. Still get lots requests, but at least maybe the site stays up.

There's nothing worse than hackers DoS'ing hackers...kinda makes ya wanna puke.

There are feasible, legal ways to cache... (4, Interesting)

for(;;); (21766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130340)

Malda could have the slashcode automatically create a cache of the victim's site, but by default point the link to the actual site (not the cache.) Allow the webmaster several easy ways to turn caching on. Allow permission to be granted in robots.txt files! Allow permission to be granted in some slashdot form! Allow permission to be granted by email! Allow permission to be granted by phone!

Of course, none of this will be done. Slashdot's coders once tried to innovate; then they became part of a corporation. Nothing kills real progress like hopes of profit.

Re:There are feasible, legal ways to cache... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130348)

There are already accepted No-Cache tags that the lack of would probably signal implicit authorization to cache, and it would likely stand up in court.

fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129842)

w3rd. props to rowtow krew [rowtow.com]

The internet days of yore... (4, Funny)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129843)

Where pr0n was free and the only pop-ups were in your pants.

Re:The internet days of yore... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129986)

I must be from a different era. I recall that pr0n FTP sites were rare, and those that existed were guarded secrets, because as soon as they became public (such as by somone posting the FQDN to Usenet) they'd collapse under the sudden surge of traffic.

Now, instead of pr0n (which is in abundance), it is rapacious interest in geek news that brings machines down to their needs.

Is this that thing they call progress?

now you're impotent, da3dAlus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130038)

is that what you're trying to tell us?

Re:The internet days of yore... (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130109)

Porn is still free. Just turn on the firehose of USENET alt.binaries groups. It amazes me that people pay for porn.

I'd be wary.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129852)

I'd be too afraid to give anyone (random strangers especially) a free shell on any of my machines these days. I know there are some existing free shell services, but IMO most of them are so tightly restricted so as to be useless, even for trying to learn on.

I don't think it's possible to provide "free as in speech && beer" computing resources anymore, the potential for abuse is just too great.

Re:I'd be wary.... (4, Insightful)

dattaway (3088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129915)

A great advantage of using wireless is the ability to put up a box for learning without using internet bandwidth. Put up a tall mast for your antenna, open all the ports, and watch the fun begin! More fun that any lame net honeypot for everyone.

Cool Idea, and it could work! (1)

Speedy8 (594486) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129859)

I bet if the bandwidth is kept down on each machine it would be a viable non ddosing service that alot of people could both donate to and use. I run a linux box that alot of windows users at my work use to start to learn about windows and post stuff that requires php/mysql. If there was a secure way I could donate part of the resources of that box and like 15k/sec to the group I would.

Re:Cool Idea, and it could work! (0)

PFAK (524350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130055)

Actually thats viabley possible. You can "cap" a certian port or IP address using DUMMYNET. I run a free shell provider (which will name anonymous cause I don't want it /.'ed), and I use DUMMYNET to make sure that SSH is always non-lagged.

For more information about dummynet check out http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ - I believe it is only for *BSD, as I only use FreeBSD. But you never know.

It is also possible that you could use a Apache Module such as mod_throttle or mod_bandwidth to cap a certian user.

I have heard cases where it is possible to just cap invididual accounts with DUMMYNET.

Have fun. Running a shell provider or a free service is challenging because you always get people attacking you. If you do it, make SURE that you are able to get filtering at your ISP.

Gone are the days... (3, Funny)

Bunjo (602906) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129873)

... when those "I'm Heidi, want to make mad love to me and my college friends?" messages still had a one in a million chance of being real. Where does the time go?

Re:Gone are the days... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129913)

Even when you had a 1 in a million chance, Heidi was 58 years old and her college friends graduated in 1963. Her friends were also male.

You can never go back (4, Insightful)

sane? (179855) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129875)

That country does not exist, its faded; been erased from you memory.

You can never return to the past, instead live in the present and create the future.

Take what was good and move on.

Re:You can never go back (2)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129941)

Take what was bad so that you know to avoid it the next time.

I'm attempting to create a country of yesterday as well. I'm putting together a 386 box to play old school games. Back when game developers had to push the envelope on great gaming because they were limited by mediocre technology. These days we don't say things like "Man that game was fun" to describe games, we say "Man that game had great geometric fog and lighting".

Re:You can never go back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130129)

I would rather live in the future and complain about the present.

And apparently exactly what he didn't want... (2, Redundant)

RussGarrett (90459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129876)

From the article:

Just wanted to give a thanks for posting this. I have registered in Open Directory and on other search engines but I am sure you know how long that takes. I didn't want to get slashed so I avoided that like the plague.

Thanks again,
Scott

Well done slashdot!

...how is this news? (5, Informative)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129878)

Here is [leftfoot.com] is just a couple of examples of free shell providers. Services like this have existed in about every country or bigger city since internet was born.

Re:...how is this news? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129956)

here are...

Re:...how is this news? (2)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130009)

> here are...
the three ^^^ cells left in Your brains? I bet all Anonymous Cowards are bored english teachers looking for ways to utilize their wisdom.

Re:...how is this news? (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130097)

I bet all Anonymous Cowards are bored english teachers looking for ways to utilize their wisdom.

It is summer... school's out.

Re:...how is this news? (2)

n-baxley (103975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130157)

I notice one of these, ductape.net, offers IMAP accounts on their free service. But, they only give 2MB. Are there any other free services offering IMAP with more space?

Re:...how is this news? (2)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130243)

> I notice one of these, ductape.net, offers IMAP...are there any other

Yup, atleast the following ones. Anyway, if someone is looking for a free shell account for serious use, I suggest joining a Linux/Unix users group, many of these provide with (free or almost free) shell access.

I had only these two free IMAP providers left in my bookmarks... sorry :)
- don't know about quota [full-house.net] .
- this one [europa.ath.cx] , 5 Mb,

The Glory Days of USENET ... (3, Interesting)

pjrc (134994) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129884)

... when your ticket onto the internet was admission into a graduate level program at a major university!

To give credit, I first heard this phrase coined by Steve of Secure Design Software [sdesign.com] .

Re:The Glory Days of USENET ... (3, Insightful)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130127)

IMHO, the spamming of USENET has been one of the great tragedies of the popularization of the Internet. There was once a time when a young 13 year old girl who had just been molested/raped by a trusted uncle or family friend could go to alt.sexual.abuse and find comfort that she was not alone. That others had suffered as she had. Find a place where she could talk with people who understood and could relate to her. She could have posted using the anonymous server in Norway (wasn't that where it was?) and felt secure that her real identity would never be uncovered. Nowdays, because of rampant spamming done on any newsgroup with the word 'sex' or 'sexual' in the title, a young rape/incest victim would go to this newsgroup and, instead of finding a supportive atmosphere, be bombarded by ads along the lines of "Cum see young teenage cum sluts who desparately crave cock!" or "Lolitas who can't get it often enough in the ass!".

I haven't perused USENET in years and I have no plans to return. The spamming is terrible.

GMD

Re:The Glory Days of USENET ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130191)

anon.penet.fi -> Finland..

it was takendown by your old friendly Scientologists!

Re:The Glory Days of USENET ... (2)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130300)

Agreed. The pre-Green Card Lawyers days of Usenet (i.e. pre-spam) were glory days. It didn't have to do with free access or getting shells on other machines (because I had shell access from the work machine where I was reading newsgroups ;-). It had to do with contributing to discussions. You can find the same sort of thing here on /. but the topics were much broader with the whole Usenet. Then again, there are web sites for anything. The more things change, the more they stay the same, I guess.

Re:The Glory Days of USENET ... (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130270)

That was great. Hell, even 7-8 years ago retarded AOL'ers were in the minority and got flamed like they deserve every time they posted their trademark "Me too!" posts. Now, they're the norm and the internet has been brought down to the intellect level of TV. Yay.

Shell Accounts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129891)

I suppose the obvious should be asked. In this day and age is there really any need for "shell accounts"?

Re:Shell Accounts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129940)

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Re:Shell Accounts? (0)

PFAK (524350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130073)

Alot of people use shell accounts for IRC or to run a website, MUD, etc.

Re:Shell Accounts? (2, Insightful)

The Man (684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130151)

What other kind would be needed? From a shell account you can do pretty much anything. With the appropriate permissions you could also run pppd and extend the network, for example. You can run servers, read mail, send mail, transfer files around, develop software, and so on.

Yes, you could do most of those things on your own system, but chances are pretty good that you have less bandwidth. This is especially true if you can only afford or only have access to dialup network access.

Bandwidth? (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130194)

Yes, you could do most of those things on your own system, but chances are pretty good that you have less bandwidth. This is especially true if you can only afford or only have access to dialup network access.

Then how would you transfer large files from your shell account to your own system?

Seriously offtopic. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129896)

I know this is seriously off topic, but how the hell would a person reference a window by it's name in javascript?

Say some window is named 'Main'.

Is there a way I can go
windows['Main'].focus();
or something?

This is for a benevolent cause, not popup windows or anything, despite the focus function(method?) being used.

Wonderful times... (5, Interesting)

dciman (106457) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129910)

Ahhhh... reminds me of dialing into various BBS's that I could get numbers for on my 8088 (When my parents had went to bed and I sneaked back down to the computer) Or making the long distance call to the nearest CompuServe node and racking up enormous phone bills (the enjoyment wasn't worth the punishment I got from my parents in return though:) )

But seriously... I loved those times... logging onto servers that you had little clue about.. seeing what was there... who was there... etc.

This seems like a good project to play around with.

Re:Wonderful times... (1)

Twillerror (536681) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130131)

I agree. I miss the BBS. Instead of trying to start another internet. We should create new communities on it.

The great thing about BBS's where they where truely local. Because people didn't want to pay the long distance bills, they usually only called the one in the same town, etc.

We need to bring small local communities back to the internet. The best thing would be to create a BBS system, that could host many BBS, and easy to setup and customize your own. I'd love to be able to hit a BBS that was just setup for my friends, or maybe just for the few blocks around my house.

Re:Wonderful times... (4, Funny)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130206)

<OLD-GEEZER-RANT>
You had an 8088? Why back in the day, we didn't have no fancy 8088s! We had our fingers! And tin cans and string! And we were glad to have them, too! Sure, it took forever to get the latest pr0n, but once we found someone to go into the drugstore for us, then we had it. Of course, we had to walk fifteen miles through a raging snowstorm to get it, uphill, both ways!
You young whippersnappers have it so easy... rassum-fassum-mumble-grumble
</OLD-GEEZER-RANT>

I predict.. (4, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129923)

... that within a few years, there'll be informal networks across the country. I can just see my apartment complex linking all the computers together via 802.11 and sharing what they got. Once you've got a network at an apartment complex (for example), then it isn't hard to link it to a neighboring complex. Anybody remember that story of the guy getting a 3-mile LOS wirless connection going in San Fran? (I may have the details wrong, but the idea mostly works..)

If/When that becomes popular, before long people'll be able to look to these informal nets when the corporate internet lets them down. Maybe I'm just fantasizing, but I do think networking has become cheap and easy enough, and I think the internet is getting regulated enough that people will have interest in doing these kinds of things.

Re:I predict.. (3, Interesting)

dattaway (3088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130014)

Anybody remember that story of the guy getting a 3-mile LOS wirless connection going in San Fran?

3 miles? That's nothing [mhpcc.edu] .

Re:I predict.. (2)

dattaway (3088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130255)

Also from that website are a few notes on security [mhpcc.edu] that mention with a good antenna on each side, 15 miles can be achieved without an amplifier. 2000 feet with just one antenna and no amplifier.

This is on par with my experience riding around town with a 12dB yagi, pointing it like a laserbeam into hotels and high density housing areas.

Re:I predict.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130046)

Unless we get some serious automatic demand based data replication system going, those will be just local networks. Backbone links don't work with just 802.11. Prepare to think "long distance ip-address".

Re:I predict.. (2)

NorthDude (560769) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130133)

Man, that is my dream!
The internet was supposed to be decentralized, but it is not enough for my taste ;-)
I dream of everyone having fast wireless connection, so we could all have servers sitting in the corner, easilly moveable and not required to dial up/connect to any providers.
A true web, a p2p system if you want were I connect to you and you connect to the other etc etc...
I guess there is much research which need to be done, probably I'm just dreaming,
but it has been my original dream when I first began "playing" with computers.
A COMPLETLY decentralized communication medium, where I am the only responsible of my node, my identity...

Oy. (3, Funny)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129925)

new grassroot network springing up...olden days of the Internet...Free speech, free information are the key features, but I wonder if this is jsut another free DDoS drone as well.

...what, you think they've already set up their own version of Slashdot?

Re:Oy. (1)

hitzroth (60178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130101)

No, I think he was talking about getting it posted on slashdot.

Best free shell and seaglass access (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4129944)

Any of your nearby coastal beaches has shells aplenty.

already inaccessible (1)

z_gringo (452163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129946)

Aparently, the site is already /.d. Can anyone else get to it? Perhaps we can just discuss free shell access amongst ourselves, and theorize on what the article might have said...

Re:already inaccessible (1)

Bunjo (602906) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129970)

Maybe they're "going back" in every way, including hosting their website on a 286 with a 300 baud modem. :)

Slashdoted (1)

dmarx (528279) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129953)

The article is Slashdoted. I hope that the actual ISP's site can withstand a bit more traffic...

pretty neat idea (3, Interesting)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129957)

I missed the good old days of the Internet by about 15-20 years or so having never really gotten into the Internet until college (fall of '95). Unfortunately I bet this just turns into a haven for IRC bots and the like.

If you are looking for something cool to be involved in and has a sense of community i'd advise checking out the 6bone (www.6bone.org), the IPV6 testbed. Everyone there is very helpful and friendly and there is a sense of some greater good. Hehe its kind of cool because not everything works in IPV6 so people are working on porting old taken for granted apps like different MTA's and other servers. I wonder if the way the 6bone folks work togather is similar to the old days of the Internet.

Re:pretty neat idea (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130124)

My one experience with the 6bone administrators convinced me that they were a bunch of rude, snotty elitists who never met an IPv4 packet they didn't like.

The Old Days (1)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129958)

Before the days people tryed to change the entire net into one giant advert/money spinner/spam sender (insert whatever else here).

It's too late, in that the non-geeks have become too entrenched with their internet supplemented lives. Loving the sound coming from their computer speakers saying "You've got mail!" (AOL voice)

access to information and an evergrowing supply of places to visit. and Free speech, free information

...How long before the usual suspects (RIAA, MPAA, FCC - or anyone else for that matter) start taking an interest.

The good old days are gone, as the saying goes 'ignorance is bliss', pleople can't go back to that. Plus in the old days, people didn't have to experience things like Denial of Service, or the Slashdot effect.

Slash Strain (1)

limekiller4 (451497) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129967)

I'll bet you a wooden nickel that two of them go under because this hit slashdot.

Here's the link. (2)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4129981)

This is his site [open-networks.net] .

Re:Here's the link. - Really (2)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130011)

Sorry, Here's the right one.

http://shells.open-network.net [open-ntewok.net]

Re:Here's the link. - Really (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130070)

Someone's gotta get it right [open-network.net] .

Re:Here's the link. - Really (2)

flonker (526111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130318)

http://shells.open-notwork.net seems more applicable.

Re:Here's the link. - Acutally, here's the link (1)

yamcha666 (519244) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130056)

http://shells.open-network.net

Re:Here's the link. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130123)

shells.open-network.net

Just so everyone knows, accounts will generally be added in the evenings as I do have a day job. Just be patient, you're not paying for it anyway.

Damn, Not SLASHDOT!!!!!

Visit the message board

What is this place?
This is the very simple home of shells.open-network.net.

What is shells.open-network.net?
A free shell server. No strings attached, the box isn't the fastest and neither is the connection but if you desire a shell account, let me know.

What will I have access to on this machine?
All normal shell tools available on OpenBSD, Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, BitchX, and most other things you ask me to install.

What is an open-network?
By the book:
The overall design of a communication carrier's basic network facilities and services to permit all users of the basic network to interconnect to specific basic network functions and interfaces on an unbundled, equal-access basis.
My Definition:
A set of computers, networks, software apps which allow users to have access not for money or prestige, just for the knowledge gained by running the network. Users should have seemless access to all machines on the network and should not be hindered by the all to familiar "Out-bound connections disabled". Passwords will be shared among all machines on the network thereby allowing users to have a single login on machines belonging to multiple people. The administrators of individual machines wil be responsible for overall system security or choosing a network power-user to assist in administration.

Some Rules:

  1. If you screw up, I will kill your account. No questions, no debating, this is my machine, not yours!
  2. No Hacking (My box or others box from my box) See rule #1.
  3. No DOS-ing to or from my box. See rule #1.
  4. If you find a vulnerability on my machine, let me know, don't ever post the problem on the internet. See rule #1
  5. If you think you are doing anything questionable, See rule #1

Will you host my domain blah.blah.com?
Sure, don't expect miracle from this machine though. The internet connection is 384K/1500K and the machine is not the latest and greatest.
Do not try to make any money in anyway from my box, if you do, you obviously don't know what an open-network is and you need to See rule #1.

Can I get a forward zone from open-network.net?
Of course, it wouldn't be open if you couldn't. Be aware, the final decision is mine.

Why are you doing this?
If you know me, you know my answer, if you don't know me, the answer is "Because I can!"

What other sites do you run?
http://www.open-network.net
http://www.moon-bear.com
and myself and one other administrator run the show at http://www.tissueinformatics.com

Have fun and if you want an account, drop me a line at *@*-*.*

This box is powered by:
SPARC
OpenBSD
Apache
PHP
Perl
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internet before the web (2, Interesting)

Openadvocate (573093) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130010)

I remember my first expirence with the internet. A dialup line to a unix box, it did cost a fortune.
The amount of machines was small and there were no such thing as a web browser.
Personally I found it to be a great source of lyrics and guitar tabs in ascii format. Could find a tab for every song I wanted to play.
The signal to noise level was good since it was free for spam, ads. etc.
It had little use for my daily work, a few computer companies(like HP) had servers up where you could ftp latest patches, but mostly I had to rely on my CompuServe account to get the latest drivers and patches.
The problem I remeber with my CompuServe account was that there were no dial in lines in my country, it came later on though.

I remeber that hardly any of my friends or co-workers found it interesting, I got the account from by boss who had ordered but didn't really find any use for it.
I have always been hooked on computers my primary drive for working with them is that I like the concept of making them work for me, and when I got this fancy new internet console, it was interesting simply by the fact that could access a computer on the other side of the world. Normally one would dial a BBS locally and sometimes when one could afford the 2$ pr min. for a call to the US, I would try it with one eye on my watch.

When the place I worked at later on, got the first internet connection with the fancy new blazing fast ISDN standard(still to expensive for private users), the new mosaic browser came to my attention and we had to open up for port 80 since no one was using the connection for browsing.
I also remember something about we couldn't access all parts of the internet. There was some US backbone parts that were closed, that only got open to us because we were a goverment owned research institution so we could get access to the same lines as the US univ.

Then we started running dual IDSN and my friends had begun showing interest into that internet thing and their envy were hard to hide for them. I woked in a place where I could download with 14 kilobytes pr second!!!. Then we got our 256kb line and I had my friends visiting me at work, just to see this line where I could download with over 20 Kilobytes pr second.

Ah, and these days, no one is amazed by my 2048 Kbit ADSL line with 512Kbit upstream that I have at home....

Re:internet before the web (1)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130141)

Ah, and these days, no one is amazed by my 2048 Kbit ADSL line with 512Kbit upstream that I have at home....

I'm connected in my company+home through 128 Kbit and I'm HAPPY (I upgraded from 28.8 year ago). Most of ppl here in Czech republic cannot allow even that (only few lucky ones who has got cable)

Going Back To The Past of the Internet... (5, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130063)

Humm, The good ole days.

1. People on IRC who talked about things other than mod chips/xbox/playstation isos/porn/divx/mp3s...
2. Usenet newsgroups without spam, and the occasional flame war.
3. No Private message forums, only Usenet (sorry Slashdot)
4. Email without spam.
5. Shell accounts used for ppp emulators (no thanks!)
6. More than one tcp/ip stack choice.
7. Any web browser could display a website.
8. FTP search engines that worked.
9. No paying to download files (ala like Fileplanet)
10. The age of unencrypted innocence.
11. No pop ups ads.
12. No mass free-email accounts.
13. Letting the Internet regulate itself, no Government interference.
-
[baltimorechronicle.com]
Read at your own risk - Open Letter to America from a Canadian

Re:Going Back To The Past of the Internet... (5, Funny)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130100)

14. <BLINK>

Re:Going Back To The Past of the Internet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130149)

does anyone remember IRC hottub?

Egg drop bot..

golden days (2)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130090)

Screw shell access, give me back the years I spent at failed dot coms and what I lost on internet stocks. That'd be golden days for me, thank you very much.

Re:golden days (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130294)

You were just stupid to buy into the startup/dotcom mania. We can't help stupidity, that's bone deep.

A copy of his page. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130105)

shells.open-network.net

Search The Open Directory Project - Note: Not this site.
dmoz.org

Just so everyone knows, accounts will generally be added in the evenings as I do have a day job. Just be patient, you're not paying for it anyway.

Damn, Not SLASHDOT!!!!!

Visit the message board

What is this place?
This is the very simple home of shells.open-network.net.

What is shells.open-network.net?
A free shell server. No strings attached, the box isn't the fastest and neither is the connection but if you desire a shell account, let me know.

What will I have access to on this machine?
All normal shell tools available on OpenBSD, Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, BitchX, and most other things you ask me to install.

What is an open-network?
By the book:
The overall design of a communication carrier's basic network facilities and services to permit all users of the basic network to interconnect to specific basic network functions and interfaces on an unbundled, equal-access basis.
My Definition:
A set of computers, networks, software apps which allow users to have access not for money or prestige, just for the knowledge gained by running the network. Users should have seemless access to all machines on the network and should not be hindered by the all to familiar "Out-bound connections disabled". Passwords will be shared among all machines on the network thereby allowing users to have a single login on machines belonging to multiple people. The administrators of individual machines wil be responsible for overall system security or choosing a network power-user to assist in administration.

Some Rules:

If you screw up, I will kill your account. No questions, no debating, this is my machine, not yours!
No Hacking (My box or others box from my box) See rule #1.
No DOS-ing to or from my box. See rule #1.
If you find a vulnerability on my machine, let me know, don't ever post the problem on the internet. See rule #1
If you think you are doing anything questionable, See rule #1

Will you host my domain blah.blah.com?
Sure, don't expect miracle from this machine though. The internet connection is 384K/1500K and the machine is not the latest and greatest.
Do not try to make any money in anyway from my box, if you do, you obviously don't know what an open-network is and you need to See rule #1.

Can I get a forward zone from open-network.net?
Of course, it wouldn't be open if you couldn't. Be aware, the final decision is mine.

Why are you doing this?
If you know me, you know my answer, if you don't know me, the answer is "Because I can!"

What other sites do you run?
http://www.open-network.net
http://www.moon-bear.com
and myself and one other administrator run the show at http://www.tissueinformatics.com

Have fun and if you want an account, drop me a line at scotth@open-network.net

This box is powered by:
SPARC
OpenBSD
Apache
PHP
Perl
And a bunch of BASH

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Oops we did it again (0, Redundant)

streak (23336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130144)

Another ./ story, another down website =(

But back to the story (which I can't read), seems like an interesting idea, BBSes back in the old days were great...

Re:Oops we did it again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130202)

Another ./ story, another down website =(

Doesn't have the same ring really, being dotslashed ;)

One simple change... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130150)

to the phone system would cause this to explode. Identify on caller ID whether the caller is fax, data, or voice.

This Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130152)

Any 1st year sysadmin knows enough to not get slashdoted. Spend some fucking resources and get hardware to support the load. O/W you look like an idiot offering free shell accounts (probably over your DSL). How enticing

Re:This Idiot (2, Insightful)

naughtypenguin (556137) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130213)

What a shithead you are! beating up on the guy. Get a clue and at least login when you post so people can mod your ass down.

So he doesn't have a lot right now! That is the idea, start out one machine at a time. BTW If you're so smart and have all kinds of great hardware, sign up and contribute dick.

Did I mention I think your a dick?

Re:This Idiot (2, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130322)

A sysadmin that works at a company that PAYS for the bandwidth with the PROFITS it makes, yeah.

This guy isn't trying to make money, so cut him a break. I don't see you offering a free shell account. Why don't you give him the "fucking resources" and I'm sure he'd be glad to up his connection bandwidth. And it's not like he ASKED to be put on /.

Troll.

Why does it have to be so primitive? (4, Insightful)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130160)

The reason the internet was great back then, wasn't because it took 48 hours of hair pulling to get your DOS ip stack configured correctly.

It was because dumbass politicians and greedy politicians hadn't touched it. They've spent the better part of a decade proving to us, that it wasn't because they couldn't.

But what if we could build a network that was extremely difficult for them to mess with?

What if it offered the same services as the regular net, fully routed static IP, DNS, and no restrictions. No one coming after you for posting files, building a website, or registering a domain name that some corps find offensive.

And as a side bonus, it might be just as complicated to get connected to it, as the internet originally was...

Read my unfinished webpage [24.125.76.224] about it.

Re:Why does it have to be so primitive? (1)

hudsonhawk (148194) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130366)

>And as a side bonus, it might be just as complicated to get connected to it, as the internet originally was...

Oh, you mean freenet?

deadly.org? sounds like plug.plug (1, Offtopic)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130236)

No real comment, this just seems like a plug moreso than a story.

A small problem tho...:( (2)

anzha (138288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130259)

I myself have lamented the change of the net. Having only been online for 12 years, I haven't even come close to some of the real old timers. However, the old BBS's, pre-spam Usenet, email, talk, ytalk, and the dread of all the freshman getting online each year...aaaw, the good old days.

One of the biggest problems though is that we now have most people with access to wireless cards and such that I bet you'd see a 1:50 contributor to luser ratio. *sighs*

DDoS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130263)

but I wonder if this is jsut another free DDoS drone as well

Yeah, like a Slashdot hyperlink.

RE: Going Back To The Past of the Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130265)

Oh boy I miss the days of using nn to read news...and download porn

Internet Flower Childern... (4, Interesting)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130276)

Free love, free speech and free downloads, man... Just we'll forget to bention that back in the good ol' days the internet was primarily used as a DoD line of communication that couldn't be interupted. Yeah, fight the power!

It'll be a DDOS drone or a useless shell... (2, Insightful)

sophits (590745) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130295)

It doesn't have to be that way. Any sufficiently planned architecture could deter or eliminate this kind of activity, while still being completely usable as a learning tool. Yes, it would require an *involved* admin, who stays on top of things, but nothing a monkey with perl couldn't handle. Heck, spend the time to identify who your "trusted" users are, and teach them a thing or two about *running* a system, instead of just *using* it. Then not only do you have some people to share the work, but you've got another competitor in your job market. Oh wait, that's bad...

I would love to bring back (1, Funny)

elixx (242653) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130310)

all of the old protocols which have been phased
out by the sprawling Interweb... Anyone remember
Gopher and its Veronica search, WAIS databases, Archie searches?

ah, those were the days.

yay (1, Redundant)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130314)

Does this mean that we finally get to go back to checking everything through telnet?!

The glory days... (1)

I Love this Company! (547598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130341)

When the internet was a vast yet still tightly bound network of geeks...no 13 year olds with cable modems flooding newsgroups because they think they're cool, no companies shoving spam and penis enlargement pills down your throat, no spam for useless products, and free content run for the sake information...the list goes on. Remember back in the old days you were encouraged to read the rules of netiquette [fau.edu] before diving into the internet? Those days are gone. It used to be for the love of computers and information, now it's just a marketing tool and grounds for pre-teens to cause trouble with anonymous nicknames. Netiquette broke down when people started hiding behind pseudonyms and common courtesy no longer mattered.

Sigh. Enough ranting =)

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