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Grubb for Congress. By Weblog.

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the have-wiki-will-travel dept.

United States 300

An anonymous reader writes: "Wired is running a story about a (Libertarian) candidate for Congress in North Carolina whose platform explicitly supports P2P file-sharing activity. She's running against one of the big supporters of the Berman P2P hacking bill." The weblog community is all excited over her because she drank the Kool-aid.

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130357)

Second one today!

The ultimate single issue candidate? (3, Funny)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130359)

Will she break the 5-vote mark?

Re:The ultimate single issue candidate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130480)

Will she break the 5-vote mark?

If she can find 3 more -- she's got me and herself :)

Finally a congresscrittercandidate that I can vote for (from my state). Of course, from the look of it she may have 2 brain cells to rub together, which makes her overqualified for NC politics :).

I'm anonymous 'cause I work for the people I just slammed :).

You can also look here ... (1)

rajivvarma (71946) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130369)

Re:You can also look here ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130613)

Holy shit: You're telling me that there's a whole category for people to piss and moan about the RIAA/MIAA/DCMA advocates are going to gang rape them in a dark alley?

Libertarian (1)

slashnot007 (576103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130376)

This would be a libertarian issue. But oddly its not likely to be an issue for any other party. How do you debate such a thing when it only matters to one party? How does this help her succeed?

Re:Libertarian (2, Insightful)

Ra5pu7in (603513) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130470)

libertarian = liberty from excess government? or just a convenient platform to get attention?

Re:Libertarian (4, Insightful)

BattyMan (21874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130665)

libertarian = liberty from excess government?

Yes, that's the core idea. Less Gub'ment, more liberty.
A smaller government both oppresses the people less and co$t$ less.
Of course, NO incumbent will have anything good to say about such a concept.

Unfortunately this doesn't draw much largesse from big corporations looking for favors, which is today's primary source of campaign funding, so you won't see many Libertarians on TV, or doing well in many elections, either.

Get ahold of and check out the list of contributors to both candidates of any major political campaign. SURPRISE! The _same_ companies are hedging their bets by supporting _both_ sides! No wonder there's not a gnat's ass worth of difference between their policies!

Re:Libertarian (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130698)

Libertarians are basically just undeclared Republicans...only possibly even more conservative without such a bitter taste of religious fervor. They just want to be left alone with the capitalist system to exploit the classes below them, instead of having the government do it for them. Their "liberties" still basically come down to the "liberty" to burn as much gas and pollute all they want, the "liberty" to pay people 2 cents a day to work for them, and the "liberty" to undoe any checks on capitalism that the labor movement or any other forward thinking, good natured people have worked through the system in our history.

Re:Libertarian (4, Funny)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130503)

That wouldn't be a Libertarian issue. The quickest way to get a bunch of Libertarians arguing among themselves is to bring up intellectual property. Half of them will be against it, and half will be for it.

Re:Libertarian (1)

slashnot007 (576103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130529)

Ah! so her stand distinguishes her amongst other libertatian candidates! there's the debate. But who's the audience if there's only one candidate with an issue?

Re:Libertarian (2)

BattyMan (21874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130696)

The quickest way to get a bunch of Libertarians arguing among themselves is to bring up intellectual property. Half of them will be against it, and half will be for it.

That's not the only issue that will do this. Ask about abortion. The Libertarian party does not take stances on many major issues, leaving individual candidates the liberty to choose whatever viewpoint they want.

This is called "Freedom(pat.pend)". Unfortunately it's too complicated and threatening to be palatable to most Americans, hence we see the domination of the Demicans and the Republicrats.

Then the debate becomes (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130785)

the matter of other parties neglecting the issue.

Drank the Kool-Aid? (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130394)

Then how did she end up here instead of still being down in Guyana? The Reverend wants to know.

OK, I'm not cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130401)

... and the site is totally /.'d. What's
this drank the kool aid thing about?
I get the reference to the kool aid
poison, but how does this relate to the
internet, you cool, oh-so-hip /. readers?

Re:OK, I'm not cool... (4, Informative)

gentlewizard (300741) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130544)

The phrase "drank the Kool-Aid" is a reference to the cults whose followers drank poisoned Kool-Aid to commit suicide, because they were true believers in the cult and its charismatic leader. So to "drink the Kool-Aid" means you believe enough to stake your life on that belief.

Probably a bit exaggerated when it comes to weblogs, which are hardly a life-or-death proposition; but still, it shows she believes enough in the collaborative technology to use it as the centerpiece of her campaign. (Not to mention the fact that as a Libertarian, she probably has only enough funds for her 56K modem Internet account to get the campaigning done!)

Re:OK, I'm not cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130712)

Thanks for the clarification. Is it the
case that /. editors "drank the Kool aid"?
Since they tend to use confusing, hipster
references in news tags?

GeekPac (4, Informative)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130408)

Another useful link here [geekpac.org] . GeekPac are attempting to use the same tactic as the big corps by trying to raise funds to push some less corporate "influenced" candidates (read sock-puppets) into the parties.

Re:GeekPac (4, Interesting)

flonker (526111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130475)

I would suggest sending donations to help her finance her campaign, to show the people in power that we really do have a strong community. I mean, even if she only gets 10% of the vote, that's enough to shake things up, so that they can't ignore us anymore. And the better she does, the better we do. If, against the odds, she wins, we've got ourselves a really strong political voice. Not just her, but the fact that we put her in office.

But I looked, and I couldn't find any contact info. Not so much as an email address. I guess we're stuck donating to the EFF [eff.org] instead.

Re:GeekPac (1)

metrazol (142037) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130731)

Ehem, I point y'all to here [opensecrets.org] . They're the definitive source for easy to acccess campaign finance data. I work for campaigns (Democratic, thank you very much) and am in my office right now. When I can't find anything on GeekPAC or it's true name, American Open Technology whatever, I start to worry. Every other PAC, contributor, candidate, etc., no matter how small or how few votes or dollars they got, is in there. I would go as far to check the FEC, but what's the point? If GeekPAC hasn't set itself up as a legitimate PAC, then your money is just going down the drain b/c they'll be breaking the law. If they aren't filing their periodic disclosure forms, they aren't going to be making any contributions, and they aren't going to be in business.

libertarianism is extremely foolish (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130415)

They assume that the Sacred Market will fix all problems and that progress is inevitable, but it's simply not true. Many times I've seen competitors locked perpetually in a pointless struggle with no clear winner. Markets are easily manipulated and the true idea of a completely free market will never happen. In the meantime, the people who are winning in the market (big companies like Microsoft) are apt to pressure for the same changes the libertarians are, such as doing away with regulation. If there were no regulation, our world would be an over-exploited toxic dump.

Re:libertarianism is extremely foolish (5, Informative)

voisine (153062) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130464)

The idea is not to do away with all legislation,
you're thinking of anarchy. Libertarianism seeks
to reduce legislation to the origional consitutional
roles or protecting the population from force and
fraud. The gub'ment does a piss poor job of most
of the stuff it's involved in. What's needed to
prevent exploitation and toxic dumps is to make sure
that the true cost is stuck to the entity making the
purchase. If you polute, you must pay to clean it up
and pass those costs on to your customers. Then
you'll have an incentive not to polute, or at least
come up with a cheap efficient way to clean it up.

Re:libertarianism is extremely foolish (2, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130484)

If there were no regulation, our world would be an over-exploited toxic dump.

Yeah, the Soviets had a much better idea with state control. Chernobyl was a paradise.

Re:libertarianism is extremely foolish (2)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130500)

When seeking to avoid drowning, one should also be wary not to perish of thirst.

Re:libertarianism is extremely foolish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130687)

(Score: 2, Obtuse)

Sure, if you take it to extremes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130629)

...and left wingers want gold bars given to the poor, and the rich to be flogged in public, and right wingers think that babies should be beaten if they cry too loudly.

Don't make an extreme case. "Liberarians" generally call for a restraint on UNNECESSARY government (of which there is plenty), not for anarchy.

Besides that, you're just a trolling fucktard.

Check You Links - You make us do it (3, Informative)

Peridriga (308995) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130421)

Well... They almost got the link right...
But, they linked to the 2nd page of the story..

For those too lazy to do it themselves or too stupid to realize it here's the link.
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54693,00 .html [wired.com]

Re:Check You Links - You make us do it (1)

stmintz (546304) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130483)

Although linking to the 1st page would make more sense, the second page does have more information about the candidate in question.

Kook-Aid? (1)

Breakerofthings (321914) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130422)

I don't get the Kool-Aid reference... ?

Re:Kook-Aid? (3, Informative)

spencerogden (49254) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130444)

'Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test' Tom Wolfe

In this case I think it just means buying into something, i.e. having her own weblog.

Re:Kook-Aid? (1)

lokki (585269) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130472)

No, try the Jonestown mass suicide, 1978.

Re:Kook-Aid? (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130517)

nice troll.. thats what the dude was talking about, he said it has become a metaphor for buying into something (i.e. the people in jonestown bought into a crazy cult religion)

Re:Kook-Aid? (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130627)

Jim Jones actually used Flavor Aid® [jelsert.com] , not Kool-Aid to kill all his cultists.

Re:Kook-Aid? (2, Funny)

BattyMan (21874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130723)

Jim Jones actually used Flavor Aid®

Yeah, that makes sense.
It's cheaper than the name brand stuff, but just as good.
You know how churches are always on a tight budget.

Re:Kook-Aid? (1)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130684)


Brian Jonestown Massacre? now that is true rawk power.

Duplicate? (1)

lostindenver (53192) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130428)

Posting the same thing twice in a week is one thing but twice in a DAY?

But Maybe we should help.

goatse 1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130429)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 2 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130439)

By on by
Thu Aug 22, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Re:goatse 2 (-1, Offtopic)

User 956 (568564) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130539)

*sniff*

That's the most beautiful thing I've ever read.

Amen (2, Offtopic)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130441)

"People give worth to what they produce. What they produce is their future. Invest In Each Other.

Tell congress to love your kid."

Sheesh, that almost beats the Dilbert.com mission statement generator [dilbert.com] in saying nothing and sounding fancy... but sstill not quite:

"Our challenge is to proactively enhance mission-critical services as well as to seamlessly disseminate world-class data "

hmm, this story sounds very familiar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130442)


I wonder why..

Geek spelling (2, Funny)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130448)

*emphasis added*


I ask your patience, as I am developing this blog with little assistance and no very little about today's computer technology.


Hmm...I'm going to assume this was a deliberate spalling error to endear her to the /. crowd.

Re:Geek spelling (1)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130587)

"your" right! ;-)

Re:Geek spelling (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130670)

rediculus! Clearley you do'nt know what your talking abowt.

Re:Geek spelling (4, Funny)

Enigma2175 (179646) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130716)

Their, they're. There just mad cause your good at spelling alot of words. Theirs alot of ./ers that arent virsed in contractshuns, hahmonihms and grammer to.
Here, Here!

goatse 3 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130451)

By on by
Thur Aug 22, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Can I change my residency? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130458)

I wish I could drive to NC and vote for her =(

goatse 4 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130473)

By on by
Thurs Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Drink the Kool-aid? (1)

easyfrag (210329) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130481)

Yes the weblog community may be over-hyping this, but it is interesting. I would be very surprised to see any candidate from the two "real" parties take a risk by writing a weblog. Many candidates don't even write their own speeches and policy platforms, a weblog can be a valid tool for Joe Voter to get a feel for a candidate... assuming that it is actually the candidate writing and not some hired gun.


The "Kool-aid" comment is a cheap shot and even ironic, because if she were the Linux candidate no one from /. would allude to a cult though many others might. Its time to end the /. editors' "tags" on the end of submissions, thats what the reply button is for.

Re:Drink the Kool-aid? (1)

BattyMan (21874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130773)

Many candidates don't even write their own speeches and policy platforms, a weblog can be a valid tool for Joe Voter to get a feel for a candidate... assuming that it is actually the candidate writing and not some hired gun.

Even if is actually written by a hired gun, there's a hardcopy statement there, to which they can later be held accountable. Most politicians avoid this sort of thing at all costs.

The "Kool-aid" comment is a cheap shot and even ironic.

Indeed. I think it is the major party candidates who are drinking the Kool-Aid of Big Business.

Libertarian... (5, Insightful)

Peridriga (308995) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130492)

I am a Libertarian
I don't believe in music piracy
I do believe in P2P.
I disagree with how the RIAA/MPAA is trying to solve their problem.

If you don't agree w/ me, reply. I agree w/ the idea of copyprotected music. It is a produced object. Something that has time and money invested to produce an item that really does have actual value. If I produced a song that I specifically did not want to give away for free, I would try to keep it off P2P networks. I would contact those who are sharing these files and explain that they don't have permission from me to distribute this.

Now, let me step back and say. I do understand fair use. If you purchase my CD and rip it to MP3 that's fine. You purchased the CD, you purchase the rights to listen to the music but, you did not purchase the rights to re-distribute my works in a way I don't see fit.

OK.. Now step forward again. Why don't I like the way the MPAA/RIAA is protecting their property. There are/have been laws on the books that protect the copyright holders rights to published works. These laws explicity spelled out the fair uses of these works as well as protecting the creators. These laws worked for years on end. The change in technology didn't change the laws. The change in technology didn't make these laws less effective. You could easily still bring suit against a P2P user for sharing your music under the current legal system, it's just harder to do. So instead of attempting to protect their rights the hard way they simply bought laws to help them. These laws(DMCA, etc.) are what I have a problem with.

I abhor the creation of laws that violate my rights in any way shape or form. It is not the purpose of government to pick and choose winners by passing favorable laws it is the purpose of government to protect my rights.

Re:Libertarian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130596)

Wow, I agree with you on almost everything and I'm a crazy big-government liberal! Perhaps this means libertarianism has less to do with it than being a Slashdot reader.

The only issue I disagree with you on is the copy-protection. I've got no problem theoretically with copy-protected media, as long as there are no laws preventing me from bypassing that copy protection for any legal purpose. Copy protection serves the valuable purpose of preventing *casual piracy*. It will never prevent professional piracy, and it SHOULD never be used for non-piracy-related purposes (licensing enforcement, product tie-ins, forcing people to watch commercials if they use your product, etc).

But as long as we've got crazy laws like the DMCA on the books, I'm dead set against copy-protection technology. You may think it's easier to change the law than to develop a whole new technology, but you'd be wrong.

Re:Libertarian... (2)

halftrack (454203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130622)

You forgot to mention that the DMCA haven't really helped them either.

The government is for and by the people (or so they should be,) not for the rich and wealthy who control the people.

Current politics work by the equation:

Corporations = Money + People

And in a democracy:

People = Vote

So it gives the equation:

Vote = Corporation - Money

Vote = Corporation - Money (2)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130635)

Vote = Corporation - Money


Does this equation simply mean that to get a vote, a corporation must pay some money? We already knew that! ;-)

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING STATED IN PARENT POST (-1)

GhostseTroll (582659) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130667)

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a. Look below for the listing of available reports.
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1st level-your 10 members with
$5.$50
2nd level-10 members from those 10
($5 x 100)$500

3rd level-10 members from those 100
($5 x 1,000).$5,000

4th level-10 members from those 1,000
($5 x 10,000).$50,000

THIS TOTALS ---$55,550

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each.
Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100?s of participants!

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AVAILABLE REPORTS

Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME Notes:

ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH
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ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL.

Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper.

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(b) your e-mail address, and your name & postal address.

## PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:

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Re:Libertarian... (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130676)

I have a story idea I'd like to put out one day via the internet. It's like a comic. I do worry about people taking it and not paying for it, but I worry 10x more about a corp using it to enhance their own image (like Austin Powers and Taco Bell...) without compensating me.

For what I want to do, copyrighting the material would be for protection against corporate theft, but it'd be less for the prevention of consumer theft.

The corporate example I used is an example of theft, but I do not believe somebody acquiring the images without paying for them is theft. What'd they steal? Electrons? They didn't cost me anything by taking it, they just didn't pay me. I could threaten to sue anybody who doesn't do that, but instead I'd rather appeal to people's good sense. "If you like my work, pay me so I can keep doing it." (Note: My definition of theft is solely limited to the context of my content, I do not intend to imply that I feel that way about copyrighted material across the board.)

If somebody has my work but doesn't want to pay for it, how can I assume they'd pay for it if they couldn't get it otherwise? If anything, somebody got to trial my work and develop a taste for it. At that point, it's up to me to make the service worth paying for. "Want to see it today instead of having to wait a week or two for somebody to make it available?"

I believe people are basically honest. I also believe that there'll always be a percentage of those who don't pay for the work but they should. That's called risk. The best thing I can do is figure out why they prefer not to pay for it and consider ways of making it interesting to them. Maybe I can offer a deal where they get it for half price if they agree to buy a bunch of it up front? Who knows?

I certainly think that locking up the content so they can't use it or learn from it is by far the worst thing I could do. How do I know some guy didn't by my work only because he's interested in 3d rendering?

Anyway, Im responding to the parent post not to specifically agree or disagree, I just thought I'd express my view as a potential content provider in the future.

Re:Libertarian... (4, Insightful)

smallpaul (65919) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130694)

If you are a libertarian, I am surprised that you support government-backed monopolies at all. After all, that's what IP is!

Re:Libertarian... (1)

reallocate (142797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130730)

Why would people continue to generate IP if they had no way of protecting their interests in it, and that includes deriving revenue from its sale?

Re:Libertarian... (2)

Danse (1026) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130775)

The obvious answer would be that they would do it for the same reason they did it before copyright existed. But that's not terribly realistic. The realistic answer is that the real problem here is not that copyright exists. It's that copyright has been extended and expanded beyond all recognition. Roll it back to a reasonable term (14 years was the original term, and if anything, it's more appropriate today than it was back then). Get rid of stupid laws like the DMCA. Then things will be fine. As it stands now, the public has no interest in copyright. Copyright was intended to entice people to create things that would eventually be added to the public domain for all to build upon. That doesn't happen anymore.

Re:Libertarian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130706)

I'm sorry, but it's just not that simple.

We have to make a choice. We can only have one of the following:

1) General purpose computers/networks.
2) Digital content like music, movies, books, and software protected from copying.

Unfortunately, it's a choice that noone wants to make...but the technology has painted us into a corner.

Personally I would much rather see Mick Jagger driving a lexus instead of a lambourgini...instead of seeing everything that makes a computer useful banned as unlawful.

As the guy from Pulp Fiction would say...it's a hard mother-fucking fact of life...but it's a fact of life we need to get realistic about.

I say the content producers have had thier day in the sun, and it's time to rebuild the services sector of the economy.

Grubb (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130493)

Who cares?
Who freakin cares?
Who freakin freak out freak folly freakin frack freak freakin CARES????????

I'm going home, you worthless losers.

goatse 5 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130499)

By on by
Thursday August 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 6 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130506)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE.CX TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

More Background Info... (5, Informative)

HavokDevNull (99801) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130515)

Here is a little bit of Background Information [projo.com] I found. (Thanx to Google) So far she sounds very promising, and it would be nice to get someone in Congress who actually has (somewhat) a clue!

goatse 7 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130518)

By on by
Thursday Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 8 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130522)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 9 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130531)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58 AM

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Repost (2)

flonker (526111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130532)

For those who care:
This was posted earlier today, but they reposted on the front page due to the number of submissions.
link [slashdot.org]

goatse 10! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130534)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Oh goodie! (1, Troll)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130549)

From her blog ..

> Human capital is the most valuable capital.

and dictionary.com:

> capital1 Pronunciation Key (kp-tl)

2. a) Wealth in the form of money or property, used or accumulated in a business by a person, partnership, or corporation.


Awhile back we were people, last decade we were numbers, and now we're capital! I think p2p should be tolerated, but to talk about improving child care in one paragraph and refer to people as something the very difition says is money or property in the very next ... ugh.

Re:Oh goodie! (5, Insightful)

darkwiz (114416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130647)


From her blog ..

> Human capital is the most valuable capital.

and dictionary.com:

> capital1 Pronunciation Key (kp-tl)
2. a) Wealth in the form of money or property, used or accumulated in a business by a person, partnership, or corporation.

Awhile back we were people, last decade we were numbers, and now we're capital! I think p2p should be tolerated, but to talk about improving child care in one paragraph and refer to people as something the very difition says is money or property in the very next ... ugh.


from dictionary.com:

metaphor Pronunciation Key (mt-fôr, -fr)
n.

1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles" or "All the world's a stage" (Shakespeare).

She is not implying that people are bought and sold. She is comparing investing money (capital gain), and investing time/money in people (Human gain). It takes time/money to create well developed people.

Do you honestly believe that she was making such a shallow comparison, or do you have odds with her political beliefs and wish to discredit her?

MOD PARENT UP!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130753)

cool rebuttal.

Human Capital (1)

hamsterboy (218246) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130734)

I don't think you're understanding the meaning of the phrase 'human capital.' She's not talking about slavery.

Capital has become more than a word used to describe an owned object. It has evolved into a concept of something you invest in, and receive returns on your investment from. If you read this article [cpn.org] , you'll understand more fully. To "invest in social (or human) capital" is to contribute something (money, time, recreational space, etc.) to the community. Rusty's continual maintainance of Scoop is an investment in social capital for the kuro5hin community. If you'd like to know more, I'd recommend Robert D. Putnam's [amazon.com] excellent work.

-- Hamster

goatse 11 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130556)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Learn some Grammar, then run for office. (1, Offtopic)

captain_craptacular (580116) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130558)

UT--that doesn't mean the public health department is gonna shut down the day after I take office. That doesn't mean the elementary schools are gonna close their doors.

I suppose I'm being pedantic, but christ. Why should I vote for anyone with such poor grammar?

Re:Learn some Grammar, then run for office. (1)

fizban (58094) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130585)

You didn't vote for Bush, I hope.

Re:Learn some Grammar, then run for office. (2, Insightful)

Zebbers (134389) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130628)

because in the end, grammar doesnt really matter. Sure, it may be somewhat indicative of their intelligence but most certainly not of their ability to help lead our country. We don't need ivy schooled ceos. We need farmer bob. We need to get back to the basics of PEOPLE representing PEOPLE. Not elite representing the common people. "Politician" shouldnt really be a career choice. Or, if it must be...it should come with a more reasonable civil service salary so as to discourage all but the truely service-oriented to run and serve.

Re:Learn some Grammar, then run for office. (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130650)

I suppose I'm being pedantic, but why should I read a spelling flame by someone who doesn't know to capitalize proper nouns?

Re:Learn some Grammar, then run for office. (1)

RebelTycoon (584591) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130708)

"alittle" But his girlfriend does!

Re:Learn some Grammar, then run for office. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130769)

Hilary Rosen seems to write and speak fairly well. I assume this make her your dream candidate?

How to Tar a Grubb (2)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130566)

[jukal@doh jukal]$ tar -a grubb
tar: illegal option -- a
Try `tar --help' for more information

But hey, I got an idea:

[jukal@doh jukal]$ man -k grubb
grubb: nothing appropriate

Damn!

GOATSE 11 (lucky proxy ?) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130599)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Refreshing (4, Insightful)

shd99004 (317968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130608)

Read her weblog, and Grubb seems like an honest person, with great ideas and views. Enthusiastic. Libertarian. We need more of those kinda people...

Re:Refreshing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130659)

Honest. Enthusiastic. Libertarian. They say 2 out of 3 isn't bad, but I'm not so sure...

If there was no P2P.... (1)

McFly69 (603543) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130610)

we would have to get out files like THIS!!! [boston.com] Hmm perhaps we can use that solar power Lazzer to create a portable optical network :)

Stop the bot already!!! (0, Offtopic)

unsinged int (561600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130616)

Geesh guys...get a better filter on slashdot. Hope the mods can keep up.

Libertarian supports p2p sharing - says it all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130623)


The fact that a Libertarian politician is one of the few that supports p2p file sharing I think speak volumes about how honest and moral p2p file sharing is.
The record companies may be taking advantage of their position in controlling the music - if you don't like it - don't buy it - they'll get the message. But rationalizing that stealing it is a legitimate way of sending the message or getting it because it's overpriced is totally illogical (hence the Libertarian connection).
I have yet to hear a logical argument that defends the p2p music theft position - I'm waiting and willing to be convinced - but so far nothing.

goatse 12 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130624)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 13 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130656)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that Saint Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 14 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130662)

on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Leftist Socialist.... (1, Flamebait)

friedmud (512466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130677)

Seems like a leftist socialist to me (the whole thing about mandatory 6 month maternity leave - and tax breaks for helping further).

I am sorry but I am not for this at all. If we didn't have so many damn taxes taking our money away and giving it to other people women could afford to take off 6 months from work and still be ok.

We DONT need a bigger government. All the people trying to create laws to keep computer users down (dmca, sssca, anti p2p) are just doing the same thing that she is doing.... Overstepping the bounds of a democratic government.

If you want 6 months maternity leave then move to france - or some other socialist community. Meanwhile we here in america need to get back to what made this country tick in the first place... healthy competition. FDR's New Deal has put this country on a path to distruction.

Lets get rid of the patent bullshit. Lets get rid of the monopolies. Let's get rid of the damned congress people accepting "donations". And let's get back on track.

Derek

Re:Leftist Socialist.... (1, Troll)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130780)

Her view on government-mandated maternity leave is certainly in conflict with libertarian values. However, she is certainly cuter [projo.com] than her competition [house.gov] . After all, politics is just a beauty contest, right?

goatse 15 (lucky pr0xy?) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130689)

Props to on by
Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

goatse 16 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130701)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The childrenwere nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Libertarian ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130713)

"When they insult a libertarian he says 'thank god they did not strike me', when they strike the libertarian he says 'thank god that they did not kill me', when they kill a libertarian he thank god for that his immortal spirit has left his earthly remainings" - Vladimir Lenin

goatse 17 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130715)

By on by
Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 03:58:06 AM EST

It was the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirred, not even with mouth;
The Giver was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.
When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

Capital "L" Libertarian? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4130757)

I think not. Although, I would consider supporting Tara Grubb, but do you actually expect me to believe that Tara is a capital-L Libertarian? Not a chance. Take, for instance, this quote: "I belong to the WORLD Party and so do you". Highly indicative of a person that wants to claim Libertarian without actually holding Libertarian beliefs (and barely libertarian-little l-beliefs).

There are actually only 2 uses of the word libertarian on her weblog. Where did you get the idea that this woman was a Libertarian? Please!

Whoever submitted the initial post, could you please change "Libertarian" to read "libertarian"? You should know better.

A Vote For Grubb Is A Vofe For The First Amendment (2, Interesting)

hotgrits (183266) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130761)

For the love of God, please vote for her!

Vote for her because her ideas rock.

But also vote for her because she is running against Howard Coble [house.gov] , who is in the back pocket [search.com] of the RIAA [riaa.org] .

If you love the First Amendment and hate the DMCA [anti-dmca.org] , send Grubb to Congress!

obvious (2)

teslatug (543527) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130764)

Can Grubb boot Congress? *ducks behind the couch*

Internet = Wiser World? (1)

eander315 (448340) | more than 11 years ago | (#4130772)

"The web is going to make a smaller, wiser world."

I know she said she's not the most computer-savvy person around, but has she seen the web lately? It's about 90% porn! (The other 10% is taken up by failed dot-coms who haven't figured it out yet) Sure, I use that 90% just as much as anyone else, but I don't think I'm any wiser for it.

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