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Review: Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar

pudge posted about 12 years ago | from the bitter-outside-but-with-a-sweet-and-chewy-center dept.

OS X 745

I am a bitter old man. I hate change. Mac OS -- not Mac OS X, which is a different OS -- in its various iterations has been my OS of choice for over 15 years, and I have not looked fondly on the day that streak ends. But that day may very well be at hand. I like Mac OS X v10.2 enough that it may soon become my primary OS.From the day Apple acquired NeXT, and Rhapsody was announced, I was excited about the prospect of a "modern operating system" (read: Unix) that would look and act like my beloved Mac OS. But as Mac OS X started to become a reality, it became clear that this was not going to be Mac OS. It was going to be MacNeXT.

Oh, it wasn't entirely un-Mac-like. But it was different enough that I wasn't comfortable in it. I love Mac OS because of its ease of use and applications and interface and all of the little things. I sit in front of this darned computer for most of my waking hours, and if I am not comfortable with it, then it's no good. Life is too short.

Mac OS X v10.0 was a disappointment to me, and many loyalists to Mac OS. Many things in the interface just didn't work at all, or as well as, they did in Mac OS. Many still don't work right, including cmd+arrow keys to open and close arrows in Finder windows (half works: cmd+opt+arrow should open or close all hierarchical folders) and in dialogs with progress bars, such as file copying (doesn't work). The file dialogs, stuck in a column view, are, in my opinion, a glaring design flaw. In many places in the OS, you can't merely hit "return" in an active dialog to select the default button (if there is a default button at all), or "escape" to cancel.

But these problems were just the beginning. In 10.0, performance was bad, even on G4s. This improved significantly in 10.1, but Mac OS v9.2 still seemed faster. The entire Mac OS X UI -- while eminently "lickable," like no OS before it -- was tiring to look at. Anti-aliasing made things harder to read, especially on LCDs, even with the unnaturally large fonts in the Finder; many of the UI elements, including the aqua ones, often distracted the eye.

But in 10.2 (Jaguar), much has changed. The aqua elements are sharper, crisper ... perhaps shinier. Many of the UI elements, such as the Dock, are more subdued. The Finder has more options for changing the appearance of elements such as font size. Gosh, complaining about font size sounds petty, but darnit, it is so much nicer to look at.

The cursors are improved: the busy cursor has gone from an ugly rainbow pinwheel to a cute rainbow pinwheel (and how long before Steve makes it monochrome?). The arrow cursor has a better outline around it. The I-bar cursor still needs work; I lose it on dark backgrounds. In Mac OS, that cursor would change from dark to light when it passed over something dark.

Similarly, I also now lose my selection box in the Finder; in previous versions of Mac OS X, a selection box in a white space would appear grey. Now it is white, and invisible. Oops.

But while in the Finder, one of my old favorites is finally back: multiple Get Info windows. If you select multiple items at once, you still get the single window with all the items, but you can at least now open many Get Info items for individual items, one at a time. And you can get the old behavior of a single floating window ("Inspector") by holding down Option.

I still can't copy the content of a text clipping in the Finder. That's just insane. Open the clipping. Read it. Cmd-c to copy the contents to the Clipboard. This is a no-brainer.

It's all of these little touches that make a significant difference in whether I can comfortably use the OS on a daily basis. And for the first time ever, despite the problems that still exist, I am mostly comfortable.

And man, is Jaguar fast. Everything is just more responsive. Previously, clicking on UI elements would begin a delay that isn't there anymore. It's noticeably quicker. Even Classic seems quicker, despite the fact that Mac OS is no longer included with Mac OS X.

But I still can't do everything in Mac OS X, even with Classic. My UMAX (*spit*) scanner won't work, and likely never will; I use it seldom enough that it's probably a better use of my time and money to boot into Mac OS to use it, for now. I am having trouble getting reliable fax software to work, so I booted into Mac OS to use FaxSTF last weekend (I was going to install the 10.0 installer I have and then the Jaguar update when it comes out, but 10.0 won't install at all on Jaguar, so I am probably out of luck with that, though I am keeping my eye on Cocoa eFax, too).

But most important to my comfort is that all of the apps I know and love from Mac OS -- BBEdit, Interarchy, DragThing, Mozilla, Eudora -- work natively in Mac OS X. The operating system exists to host applications. They are the reason I use the computer. I want the same apps, and, thankfully, I have them. Further, much of Mac OS is still there, like QuickTime, AirPort, Keychains, AppleScript, and Internet Config (although this works somewhat oddly in some cases, and there's not much of a UI for it).

But the big question is: why should I use Mac OS X? If I am just trying to recreate Mac OS, why not just stick with Mac OS?

There are two answers. The first is a single word: Unix. I don't need to describe in detail why Unix is a Good Thing to Slashdot readers, but I will say that XDarwin and fink are two of the most important features of Mac OS X, and having a stable operating system is a joy. The stability of Mac OS certainly was pretty good -- ignore the hypocrites who used to praise Mac OS but now decry it -- but it can't match Mac OS X. That I can put my laptop to sleep, and wake immediately, and still have many TCP/IP connections open, is incredible to me.

The second answer is that new features are added to Mac OS X to make it too compelling to ignore.

The i* software suite -- iChat, iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, iCal, iSync, iProbablyForgotSomething -- are in many cases some of the best products to hit personal computing in many years. iMovie and iDVD are leaders in their niches. iTunes was a bit flat in its earlier versions, but gets more compelling in its feature set every year. iChat is actually a nice chat client: unobtrusive, mostly well-integrated into the system and Address Book, and easy on the eyes (it's also a little buggy; expect a few crashes). iPhoto is a nice beginning, but really needs better features for more flexible exporting of image metadata to be well-used. iCal and iSync aren't yet released, but by all accounts look very promising: how long before I ditch my PDA, or at least Palm Desktop's contacts and calendar apps?

Then there's Rendezvous -- the "zero configuration" networking -- which is only beginning to get significant use, but is sure to be a staple of many applications for years to come. Despite having some problems with printer sharing (making a comeback, finally) via Rendezvous -- I mistakenly had some computers on my network with a subnet mask while others were, and this was enough to throw it off -- it requires zero configuration once you're configured properly.

Sherlock is now finally its own separate beast, with Find integrated into the Finder (imagine that!) and no longer is it scraping web pages, but it is enabled with web services goodness.

All of these features and more are only available in Mac OS X. If you want them, you need to switch.

Still, some things simply don't work in Mac OS X v10.2. The upgrade went smoothly, but various third-party apps, and even some Apple programs, had trouble. My chosen replacements for the Dock -- DragThing and LiteSwitch X -- both needed updates (Proteron says LiteSwitchX update should be available any day now). WeatherPop needed updating. WirelessDriver -- a serious boon to PowerBook G4 users who need to work more than 20 feet from a wireless base station -- no longer works, and it's not been updated in many months.

Apple Remote Desktop 1.0.x doesn't work; you'll need to run Software Update to get version 1.1. Unfortunately, even the new version only half-worked for me; the client side seems fine, but the Admin app says it is not installed properly. I wanted to just uninstall the whole thing and start over, but there is no uninstall option, that I could find. So I deleted all the files that the Installer installs, and then tried to reinstall, and the Installer says it is already installed. So now I have nothing, and I can't change it.

I thought for awhile that Apple's ScriptMenu didn't work, too; it was still sitting in /System/Library/CoreServices/Menu Extras/ where I had left it, but it was not launching. I searched for ScriptMenu on the discs and hard drive for information or a replacement, and on Apple's site, but found nothing. I was later informed the name had been changed from "ScriptMenu" to "Script Menu": the replacement was in the /Applications/AppleScript/ directory. Oops.

fink has a few problems, as one might expect with an OS update that sees a move from gcc2.9 to gcc3.1. Most of the things I tried worked fine without recompiling, including XFree86. But xterm and bash broke because of dependencies relating to the change gcc3.1, and manconf (a wrapper for Mac OS X's man) broke, because the Jaguar man doesn't accept the -C option to specify a configuration file. The workaround is to install fink's man, or at least remove /sw/bin/man in the meantime. The fink team is working to resolve the issues, and updates are forthcoming. An update for xterm is available on the XonX page.

SSHAgentServices, which sets an ssh-agent for the entire login session, stopped working; but the author of SSHPassKey, which I use to provide the ssh password to GUI apps, said he would integrate ssh-agent services into the next version of his application. Some of TinkerTool was obsoleted by 10.2, as Apple has added some of those preferences into their UIs, things like Terminal transparency, and what to do with newly mounted CDs and DVDs, so there's a new version available.

Currently, SharePoints doesn't work. This configures NetInfo to allow you to share arbitrary folders with any users via file sharing. So now I don't have a reasonable file server, unless I want to give everyone admin access to see all the volumes on the machine. But the author says he has discovered the problem, and a new version is forthcoming. This makes me quite happy.

There's also the long-standing and unresolved problem of AvantGo not working with Mac OS X. It's amazing that this is still broken.

I'm not making any firm commitments, but I am using Mac OS X as my primary OS right now, and it's the least painful it's ever been. That's more of a compliment than it seems. But there's enough that doesn't work, enough that's raw -- especially with third-party software -- that I'd recommend people who don't like pain to wait at least a few weeks, if not a month or so, to allow all of the issues to be worked out, tech notes to be published, and workarounds to be posted.

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no comment (-1, Offtopic)

trollercoaster (250101) | about 12 years ago | (#4140439)

no comment

Apple Gayla (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140631)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Third Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140443)

third post? i hope i hope. If so, SHOUTZ go out to OCTALC0DE, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE

Smile (5, Interesting)

gralem (45862) | about 12 years ago | (#4140454)

Some had to start making the hard changes. Apple is STRENGTHENING itself in the long run. I think most people on /. are warming up to Linux. Most "classic" mac users I know finally find Jaguar usable. For every complaint I've heard about OSX, I can list 10 or more features and reasons why we should ALL be using it. Starting at Apple's not-so-crappy Open Source involvement (gcc3 work gets back to the gcc3 people), to it's stability and use of Unix.


Re:Smile (1)

gralem (45862) | about 12 years ago | (#4140465)

Sorry...I meant "warming up to OSX from Linux".


Re:Smile (5, Funny)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | about 12 years ago | (#4140681)

"I think most people on /. are warming up to Linux".
You might be onto something! :-)

Re:Smile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140687)

Yeah, the people are warming up to Linux because if you don't, your comment gets moderated troll and you are swept under the rug.. censored effectively. Ironic for a society that cherishes free speech so much.

AvantGo.. (1)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | about 12 years ago | (#4140456)

And given AvantGo's recent slide like every other dot com there probably isn't much reason to think this will be fixed.

Now THIS one should be third post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140457)

Third post! hahahahehehehe! shoutz! octalc0de! whhio! all thouse people i spammed! ha ha ha! muhahaha! (waiting for this 2 minute timer to elapse) Slow Down Cowboy! Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment. It's been 1 minute since you last successfully posted a comment If this error seems to be incorrect, please provide the following in your report to * Browser type * User ID/Nickname or AC * What steps caused this error * Whether you used the Back button on your browser * Whether or not you know your ISP to be using a proxy, or any sort of service that gives you an IP that others are using simultaneously * How many posts to this form you successfully submitted during the day * Please choose 'formkeys' for the category! Thank you.

Re:Now THIS one should be third post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140518)

You appear to have been 2nd and fifth, respectively. It is quite an achievement to be wrong twice in one story, as most people aren't such boobs. Too bad you can't count. better luck next time. perhaps you should consider using multiple computers to spam third post attempts while evading the 2 minute timer. But you will still fail to capture the entire pants gritzing glory if you make multiple attempts, you know. have a nice day.

Re:Now THIS one should be third post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140589)

Good post...even though it appears that you are a troll yourself

yeah but.... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140460)

i wish i had to the $$$ to buy the hardware to run mac os x

Re:yeah but.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140495)

lol redundant? stupid moderators, trix is for kids.

OS X is a step in teh right direction (5, Interesting)

istvandragosani (181886) | about 12 years ago | (#4140464)

I use Linux mainly for my own workstations & server on my home network, byt my wife is a diehard Mac user. After seeing her frustrations with Mac OS 9 constantly locking up and crashing (on a G4 even), I convinced her to upgrade to OS X. It took a little getting used to, but she was impressed by the fact that I can ssh in to her box now and do stuff on it without making her get up from her seat, and overall she likes OS X more than OS 9.

Re:OS X is a step in teh right direction (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140616)

I can ssh in to her box now and do stuff on it without making her get up from her seat

Talk about leaving yourself open to a joke...

This upgrade saved me $500 (4, Informative)

Microsift (223381) | about 12 years ago | (#4140471)

I was seriously considering buying Office v.x so that I wouldn't have to switch to classic everytime I wanted to run Excel. Switching to Classic is far less painful now(Launching classic and Excel took 40 seconds). Granted this is not super speedy, but it is a significant improvement.

Re:This upgrade saved me $500 (1)

f2professa (569060) | about 12 years ago | (#4140515)

Re:This upgrade saved me $500 (4, Informative)

randomErr (172078) | about 12 years ago | (#4140525)

Save yourself a few more buck and use OpenOffice [] on OSX.

Re:This upgrade saved me $500 (3, Informative)

clifyt (11768) | about 12 years ago | (#4140650)

Am I the only one that has used Open Office and thinks it sucks and is WAY to slow? My main writting machine is an iBook 600 which should be fast enough to use any word processor without worrying about typing latency. Yeah, Linux and Slow Connections have honed my skill of not looking at the screen or the keys and focusing on other things, but when its local, its annoying.

I thought the idea of linux was Software That Doesn't least once you remove the religious zealots from the mix. M$ Office is the one package from Microsoft that I would gladly recommend folks have. Open Office is a pale comparison to that...yeah, you can get things done but not as easily.


Nice Review (5, Funny)

HimalayanRoadblock (601900) | about 12 years ago | (#4140472)

Very nice review. Just wanted to put my favorite quote. it requires zero configuration once you're configured properly. That's classic.

Software (-1, Offtopic)

isolation (15058) | about 12 years ago | (#4140485)

OS X would not be what it is if apple had not provided a migration path of legacy applications and apis. Linux will not be able to take over the PC desktop market untill developers start to provide a framework via WINE and Mingw/Cygwin to move applications off of win32 to Linux/GNOME/KDE.

What is needed? A common OpenSource Win32 Api, DirectX and COM/DCOM shared by WINE and Cygwin/Mingw. A common documentation system would that allows for easy import of ms-html help. Once this is done it should easy to rebuild todays MS_VC applications with Mingw/Cygwin and then work to a total Linux rewrite.

"Linux will not be able to take over the PC deskto (3, Insightful)

BoomerSooner (308737) | about 12 years ago | (#4140558)

"Linux will not be able to take over the PC desktop" is the best part of your post.

I have tried to run Linux as a desktop system since 1996 and have never been completely satisfied. The day I bought my G4 with OS X 10.1.5 is the day Linux died on the desktop for me. I can ssh/sftp to my servers (linux/solaris) and use wonderful apps that are unmatched on linux (Photoshop, Acrobat-Full, InDesign, FlashMX, Office-waiting for StarOffice).

Linux is 10 years behind OS X and I cannot wait for my 10.2 upgrade to come in the mail (thank god I waited to get my G4 until the 17th).

Re:"Linux will not be able to take over the PC des (2, Funny)

axxackall (579006) | about 12 years ago | (#4140708)

The day I bought my G4 with OS X 10.1.5 is the day Linux died on the desktop for me.

The day I've installed Linux/PPC is the day Mac OS died on the Mac for me.

"haunted" software (0, Offtopic)

peter303 (12292) | about 12 years ago | (#4140486)

The way the windows grow and shrink into the toolbar reminds me of ghosts flittering around.

Re:"haunted" software (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140646)

Do you mean:

The way the *icons* grow and shrink into the *Dock* reminds me of ghosts flittering around.

Faxing solution (5, Informative)

MouseR (3264) | about 12 years ago | (#4140501)

Try PageSender available from Smile Software [] .

It provides printer-like setup and fax capabilities. Exactly what e've all been waiting for. it's a shareware, and makes use of OpenSource code like eFax.

It supports faxing my modem and web-based fax services.

THIS is the faxing solution that should have come bundled in the OS.

Re:Faxing solution (5, Funny)

MouseR (3264) | about 12 years ago | (#4140530)

A few typos in there (dang coffee not kicking in yet).

I'm sure you all guessed it doesn't support faxing MY modem, but supports faxing BY modem.

Modern OS? (2, Troll)

diamondc (241058) | about 12 years ago | (#4140508)

Unix has been around for 30 yrs+...

Re:Modern OS? (2)

Oculus Habent (562837) | about 12 years ago | (#4140541)

Perhaps it should not have been "modern" but more appropriately, "good"

Re:Modern OS? (all inclusive) (3, Insightful)

BoomerSooner (308737) | about 12 years ago | (#4140580)

You've got to look at the improvements. So you're saying the UNIX of today is the same as 30 years ago? Right.

It's just like (to use another car analogy) when Ford released the *new* Thunderbird. Yes it has been around for 40+ years and yes it IS NEW!

Amazing how some people cannot seem to catch on that things can be modified into something new.

Re:Modern OS? (0, Offtopic)

axxackall (579006) | about 12 years ago | (#4140677)

Lisp is around 40+ years. And it is still more innovative compare to Java, VB and C++.

Same about TeX vs M$.doc

The age is not bad when original design was done using brains.

Re:Modern OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140704)

just because lisp is different doesn't make it more innovative.

Re:Modern OS? (1)

skahshah (603640) | about 12 years ago | (#4140707)

And Modern Art is much older.

Re:Modern OS? (2)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | about 12 years ago | (#4140729)

Unix has been around for 30 yrs+...

It's "modern" as in "modern art." More of a period thing than a term meaning "cutting edge."

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140510)

I may be asking a stupid question, but, why would you need to run xf86? Doesn't the OS already have a GUI?

Re:huh? (2)

Oculus Habent (562837) | about 12 years ago | (#4140606)

Some people like and are much more comfortable with their Linux software, and want to run it, no matter where. MacOS X offers you the ability to run XFree on it if you choose, giving you access to all the games you played on your Linux box. :) It's just another choice that Apple can offer people with MacOS X. -- Not everybody wants MacOS X. Not everyone wants Linux. Thankfully, not everyone wants Windows.

Re:huh? (2)

blakespot (213991) | about 12 years ago | (#4140629)

So you can compile and run, say, Linux apps that havea GUI. Linux uses X-Windows System and Apple's GUI is (superior and) proprietary. GIMP is an example.


Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140667)

Yes, it has a GUI, but if I want to telecommute to a linux system I'm writing OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (bow down now please) and test it from my OSX, I need X Windows. Honestly, what open source hippy could love an os based on unix that doesnt allow compatibility with x windows?

OS 10.2 and Audio Apps (1)

Metropolitan (107536) | about 12 years ago | (#4140513)

Has anyone tried using audio applications not yet designed to run on OS X, like Logic and Pro Tools? Is the Classic environment sufficient to run them?

I'm a fan of OS X for the most part, especially if the speed issues are being removed, but have an investment in software that may be problematic on the new OS.

Re:OS 10.2 and Audio Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140588)

The classic environment is not a good Idea for audio apps of that caliber - there should be a logic OSx version later this year (Apple does own them now..)

Trust me, running these things in classic is a nightmare, especially if you require audio and midi support....

Re:OS 10.2 and Audio Apps (1)

katt_gaiden (443398) | about 12 years ago | (#4140624)

I've had issues with ProTools Free, and Digital Performer 3 refuses to run at all ("Don't run me in X -- boot into 9").

Re:OS 10.2 and Audio Apps (2)

clifyt (11768) | about 12 years ago | (#4140666)

No...Classic will NEVER run these things. Too much low level access that X isn't going to give up.

Expect a fall release for Logic X. ProTools??? No clue.

Take a gander at [] and check out our Logic forums for more info.


Re:OS 10.2 and Audio Apps (1)

yrch93 (15190) | about 12 years ago | (#4140697)

Pro Tools 5.2.1 == no worky.

Networking (2, Informative)

I_am_Rambi (536614) | about 12 years ago | (#4140516)

it requires zero configuration once you're configured properly.

I work at my university setting up studetn owned computers. I have set up a few Macs, even a 10.2 TiBook the other day. Networking is pretty easy. Select what device (Airport, ethernet) and tell it dhcp. No restarting. Web will then work. The only problem that I have ran acrossed is working with proxies. We have three proxies on campus, and IE 5.x does not like to work with the proxies to go outside of the intranet.

I have found away around this problem. I have to tell the system what proxy to use, and then hard code the sign in proccess screen, as the homepage using the same proxy. When IE starts up, the user is then given the choice to sign in (or if he is sign in to go the internet, it will say). Since IE doesn't like to use connection scripts, this is the only solution I have found.

This small problem is not bad, just wish M$ would fix IE to run connection scripts.

Use Mozilla (2)

stego (146071) | about 12 years ago | (#4140641)

Just recently had my first proxy experience setting up my gf's iMac for UVA. Mozilla worked just fine from off campus using the proxy.

Re:Networking (2)

asv108 (141455) | about 12 years ago | (#4140690)

Select what device (Airport, ethernet) and tell it dhcp. No restarting.

Yeah, Linux and windows 2000/XP does the same thing.

Like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140529)

I helped my neighbor install OS 10.1 on his system and I am impressed. I am a linux coder and will stay there. But, I have no problem with ppl running Macs now.

Has an ISO been posted yet? nt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140533)

auiqp unight ewowq

Re:Has an ISO been posted yet? nt (1)

axxackall (579006) | about 12 years ago | (#4140655)

Does it *legally* exist?

An appealing product. (2, Interesting)

catwh0re (540371) | about 12 years ago | (#4140536)

Apple have stumbled on wealth the right way: by producing an appealing product. With microsoft still producing bug filled, insecure garbage, that has issues with the software designed to run on it, as they weren't so willing to give proper api to developers, Apple's market share will do nothing other than increase. It's a breath of fresh air.

Re:An appealing product. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140622)

MS makes cheap operating systems. That's why they got on the PC in the first place -- DOS was the cheapest thing IBM could find.

It's high-end vs. low-end, with differences that are primarily aesthetic.

It's true there aren't many mac virii, but that's just beacause there aren't many macs.

My thoughts (4, Informative)

Phroggy (441) | about 12 years ago | (#4140551)

Aqua has indeed improved. Buttons, in particular, are more... subdued? It looks like they're trying to make things more functional and less flashy.

The arrow pointer looked weird at first, particularly when over a white background, but I've gotten used to it, and it doesn't bug me anymore. Over a darker background it's perfect.

I also have a UMAX scanner, and it may never be supported natively. I did find VueScan [] which also works on Linux, but I'm not really thrilled with the UI - guess I'll have to play with it some more.

I never really used Sherlock for anything besides searching for files. Thank god they've put that functionality back where it's supposed to be. I may use Sherlock now, but I'm not forced to launch it if all I want is a quick search for a file.

I recently discovered LiteSwitch X, and I miss it. You'd think Apple could make a decent task switcher. Under OS9 I was using the Microsoft Office Manager, which was just about perfect.

"The least painful it's ever been" sums it up quite nicely. It's only getting better, and eventually won't be painful at all. That hope keeps me going. :-)

Why use OSX? First, the OS doesn't crash as often. Second, it's UNIX. I love being able to ssh to my Linux box from work, send a WOL packet to my Mac to wake it from sleep, ssh into it, locate a file, and use scp to send it where I need it.

Now if I can just get ghostscript to work, I'll be able to print from Linux to the printer on my Mac. I'm really impressed with cups.

Re:My thoughts (1)

axxackall (579006) | about 12 years ago | (#4140730)

Why use OSX? First, the OS doesn't crash as often. Second, it's UNIX. I love being able to ssh to my Linux box from work, send a WOL packet to my Mac to wake it from sleep, ssh into it, locate a file, and use scp to send it where I need it.

Aren't you able to do the same with Linux/PPC (YDL)? What's the point to pay $100+ for OS which is even not available for being downloaded as an ISO image when ther is a much better choice (YDL)?

Review? (-1, Troll)

Salad Shooter (600065) | about 12 years ago | (#4140552)

This is not a review, this is simple bitching and moaning. Sorry, things change and you should learn to change with them.

And using an OS for 15 years is a long time, how could you expect it to continue?

You might want to try VueScan for your scans (3, Informative)

teamhasnoi (554944) | about 12 years ago | (#4140561)

This [] allows me to use my UMAX scanner from OS X. It's updated all the time, and works relly well. YMMV.

What I find ironic, is that my mom is using the most advanced unix ever at home, while I'm still futzing with Windows. I knew there was a reason I go to work.

I ran into the same problem with SharePoints and eventually had to move the entire pile of folders to my public folder to share. BAH!

And I'm still trying to get a VNC server that works on OS X, then I could pretend that I have OS X 10.1 at home.

See, I'd pretend 10.1, cause the connection would be slow.. :P

Re:You might want to try VueScan for your scans (1)

pudge (3605) | about 12 years ago | (#4140620)

I ran into the same problem with SharePoints and eventually had to move the entire pile of folders to my public folder to share. BAH

I can't do that; the files I want to share are on an external FireWire drive.

Re:You might want to try VueScan for your scans (1)

istokj (121) | about 12 years ago | (#4140680)

check out vncdimension. works without sending the cpu into la la land.

Steve Job's Quote about OS X 10.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140566)

"I'd like to thank all the BSD developers who freely gave their IP so that I could continue to the wealthy life style a person of my status deserves. Without all of you I too would be eating Mac & Cheese everyday instead of my steady diet of sushe and fine vintage French wines."

No sushi or mac & cheese (1)

Clock Nova (549733) | about 12 years ago | (#4140678)

Actually, Steve's a vegan. Tragic, but true. So you might want to amend that to "...would be eating veggie dogs and oatmeal every day instead of...," uh, does anyone know what rich vegans eat?

Macintosh users are too nostalgic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140572)

What is it with Macinweenies anyway? Always the same story... "I don't like this, I can't use that, etc." There's very little difference between wishing Apple would make you happy and wishing Microsoft would make you happy. It's not 1988 anymore and using a Mac doesn't automatically make you hip (progressive, cool, desireable, etc). Go to [] when you're ready to grow up.

i agree (3, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | about 12 years ago | (#4140576)

It is tragic that OS X is finally displacing the "true" Mac OS we've all come to love. As of three weeks ago, I was running a nice pre-MultiFinder System 6 over HFS on my dual G4 tower. Cooperative multitasking and a "free love" address space make programming a joy, without all the bloat that characterizes MacOS since 6.0.8.

Shrug (2)

ptomblin (1378) | about 12 years ago | (#4140577)

I'm a little ambivilant about the upgrade. I bought my TiBook around about when 10.1 came out, so I never saw 10.0. 10.1 is good, but slow. 10.2 is as good, and a little bit faster. Some things, like booting, are a lot faster.

It broke Vim, but I downloaded a new one the same day. It broke uControl, but I see that there is now a 10.2 version of that on the web site.

More exciting than the OS upgrade for me are the new apps. Some of the new apps look good, but I haven't played with iTunes 3 much yet, and I don't have an iPod yet so I don't yet care if iTunes syncs with it better than iTunes 2 did. But iCal and iSync look great - I hope iSync works with my Clie.

Personally, I'm most anxious for the upgrade to Java 1.4, but that's because Java development is my main thing these days.

Civ III doesnt work either. (1)

Sarin (112173) | about 12 years ago | (#4140583)

I couldn't get it to work under 10.2, anyone else had this problem?

Re:Civ III doesnt work either. (1)

shebiki (537310) | about 12 years ago | (#4140717)

It appears to work fine on my TiBook.
Do you have the latest civ3 patch (1.21g) installed?
If it helps, I upgraded my machine from 10.1.5 to 10.2 with civ3 already installed.

is the new iMail any good? (2, Interesting)

rhetland (259464) | about 12 years ago | (#4140585)

Absent from the review is a discussion of iMail. I have seen that there are quite a few improvements planned, like auto-detecting spam.

Does anyone know: is it really all that good?

It's just that I don't really like Eudora, and I want some alternatives...

Re:is the new iMail any good? (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | about 12 years ago | (#4140610)

use mutt !

Re:is the new iMail any good? (3, Interesting)

veddermatic (143964) | about 12 years ago | (#4140618)

IT's quite good... I don't think it's as full of features as Eudora, but if you want "simple" a mail client that can turn off HTML content in recieved messages, do plain or formatted sending, deal with multiple accts, it works well.

The "junk mail" filter is pretty darn good out of the box, and you can "train" it further by hitting the "JUNK" ubtton for messages that are spam.

I siwtched over to it from Eudora, and I'm very happy after a few weeks with it.

iMicrosoft? (5, Insightful)

Telex4 (265980) | about 12 years ago | (#4140601)

I know I'm going to get flamed to pieces for this, but isn't the i* software suite just doing what Microsoft did with Windows and Internet Explorer?

If you install your OS and get iChat, iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, iCal, iSync and whatever i* software they put in next:

a) are you going to look for/know of alternatives?
b) are you going to use them, especially if they won't integrate as well with the OS and other apps as well as Apple's i* series will?

Surely the point of taking Microsoft to court for bundling IE and therefore slaying the browser market was not just to get at Microsoft, but to prevent OS vendors from dominating and killing off large sectors of the software market?

Re:iMicrosoft? (0, Redundant)

goldorak_dan (409400) | about 12 years ago | (#4140638)

Remind me again who has a monopoly?

Re:iMicrosoft? (2)

Telex4 (265980) | about 12 years ago | (#4140661)

Microsoft does (or has got as close as a company could). But this is a matter of principle, not of bashing the monopolists. What good is it in downsizing a monopoly, and replacing it with a monopoly run by two companies?

Re:iMicrosoft? (5, Informative)

BeeShoo (42280) | about 12 years ago | (#4140653)

"I know I'm going to get flamed to pieces for this, but isn't the i* software suite just doing what Microsoft did with Windows and Internet Explorer?"

Nope. There's big difference between included with the OS" and "part of the OS".
Having said that, I don't believe for a second that IE is truly part of the OS. But, you don't get a choice whether or not to install it (the iApps do not have to be installed), and there is no way (at least, none provided by MS) to uninstall IE. The iApps can all be removed simply by using the delete key. No harm to your system. Install your preferred app, get on with your life.
BIG difference.

Re:iMicrosoft? (3, Insightful)

Telex4 (265980) | about 12 years ago | (#4140671)

Big difference to someone like you, yes, but not to the average consumer who will either buy a Mac with it all pre-installed, or will install MacOSX themselves and install it all because it is recommended and probably a very good thing for them. There's a technical difference, but not a very practical one.

Re:iMicrosoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140674)

I don't believe for a second that IE is truly part of the OS
Careful - your ignorance is showing.

Re:iMicrosoft? (1)

HakuMage (580325) | about 12 years ago | (#4140686)

don't think so !

the big bad why is Apple doesn't have 90% of the market ...

the real choice is they are not really integrate as IE or WinMedia Player in the OS. It's easy to put them in trash compare to Ms bundle ....

Second, all these software do small but very useful task for commoners:
- ichat is only AOL, need another soft for yours ICQ, yahoo or MSN contacts
- iTunes is a good jukebox, mp3 compile, and iPod base soft but it can't manage all sound formats (aiff, wav, ...) and have not jam audio CD burning capabilities
- same for iMovie and iDVD:
real work need Apple Pro software even if they are sufficient for nearly all of us.
- iSync is the only App i don't see any equivalent, because from what i see, we can sync Palm, mobile phone, Apple iApps and event LDAP database !

even if Apple have sometimes bad manner, it's not like Microsoft :)

Re:iMicrosoft? (1)

dr_beno (547671) | about 12 years ago | (#4140695)

I know I'm going to get flamed to pieces for this, but isn't the i* software suite just doing what Microsoft did with Windows and Internet Explorer? *sigh* No it's not. 1 You can trash any iApps just as soon as you find a better alternative. No hidden API's in Aqua or Darwin (I think), no 'commingling' of code. 2 No forcing others to behave by illegally abusing one's monopoly (kind of a moot point, since Apple makes the whole machine, but still, no illegal practices) 3 No killing off markets, but inventing them.

Re:iMicrosoft? (5, Insightful)

Cutriss (262920) | about 12 years ago | (#4140701)

You raise good points, but the fact is that most of the "bonus" software that you don't already have is part of what you're paying for when you buy the OS upgrade, and many people purchasing that upgrade already have solutions for some of those apps.

iChat = AIM
iTunes=MacAmp or XMMS

Outside of those, the rest of the software is functional enough for toying around and playing as a home user. iPhoto isn't taking any business away from Adobe. iMovie and iDVD are low-end versions of high-end software that Apple already dominates the market in.

The big thing is that, mostly because of the way that the OS works, nothing in any of those programs keeps you from using an alternative solution, and they do nothing to hinder the performance or sabotage operation of other apps. If you don't like iMovie, drag its folder to the Trash.

Also, with the sole exception initial-purchase-consumer-attraction, and Internet Explorer, I can't think of any way that Apple uses its installed base for business reasons. They don't take you to their own ISP for a search engine when your DNS lookup fails. They don't advertise partners and services in iChat's windows. They don't put all sorts of other ads and offers on the screen when you use iTunes. Internet Explorer defaults to Apple's Netscape homepage (ironically enough), and it comes with a default set of saved URLs, but all that's easily changed.

Re:iMicrosoft? (2)

Telex4 (265980) | about 12 years ago | (#4140726)

Yes, they're certainly no way near as bad as Microsoft's bundling techniques, but I still worry for the creators of software like XMMS, Winamp, AIM, ICQ, Pixie, MPlayer, and any other software the i* suite replaces, especially those that are commercial enterprises.

Make the swish (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140607)

Dear Apple,

I am a big homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

The devil is in the details (2)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | about 12 years ago | (#4140609)

It's becoming my favorite saying. Little things like font size and saving a few clicks here and there really do make the day when you sit in front of a computer all day long.

If we can chase the devil from the desktop like Apple tries to, Linux may too one day become a good desktop environment.

pudge: master of the painfully obvious (2)

bgarcia (33222) | about 12 years ago | (#4140625) requires zero configuration once you're configured properly.
Yeah, most things seem to work that way.

Unix = modern? (3, Insightful)

EchoMirage (29419) | about 12 years ago | (#4140635)

From the write-up:

I was excited about the prospect of a "modern operating system" (read: Unix) [...]

Unix is modern? Compared to what? Unix is old, tried, tested, and true. That's what makes it so good.

From a Windows user considering a switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140636)

Is there any way to have a taskbar similar to Windows in MacOS X? It just seems logical to me, start programs from the Start button, programs running are in the task bar. I don't know what craziness is going on in the OSX dock, but it doesn't seem as straightforward as Windows' taskbar.
And why doesn't the windows maximize button actually maximize the silly window? Don't Mac users run programs at full screen?

What 'll happenned after macOSX 10.9 ? (1)

sebol (112743) | about 12 years ago | (#4140644)

What 'll happenned after MacOS X 10.9 ?
since X stand for 10,
it will be MacOS X like mozilla?

Re:What 'll happenned after macOSX 10.9 ? (1)

Clock Nova (549733) | about 12 years ago | (#4140711)


Actually, my guess is that they'll probably switch to a new naming scheme altogether.

Re:What 'll happenned after macOSX 10.9 ? (2)

Genom (3868) | about 12 years ago | (#4140725)'ll be OS XI (11), which people will take to calling "OS Zee" - causing much confusion, as everyone who does will wonder whatever happened to "OS Y" - the rest of us will sit back and have a good laugh. =)

For your scanner... (2)

mrbill (4993) | about 12 years ago | (#4140647)

Try <a href="">VueScan</a> . Best $40 I ever spent - works better with my $750 HP ScanJet 7450C than the software HP wrote for it does.

boohoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140659)

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It's you ... (3, Funny)

bigjocker (113512) | about 12 years ago | (#4140669)

I am a bitter old man. I hate change

It's you, JonKatz, aren't you? you sneaked in poor pudge's account ...

When are they preloading Jaguar in new Macs? (1)

huangm (578916) | about 12 years ago | (#4140670)

I'm going to be getting an iBook soon, but I'd like to get it when they preload Jaguar because I've heard of all the drastic performance improvements, and considering the iBook's less powerful than other Macs, speed and graphic performance are important. Does anyone know when they're going to preload 10.2 on the iBook and other lines instead of just including it in a box with the discs?
Mike Huang

What a bunch of whining! (5, Interesting)

BitGeek (19506) | about 12 years ago | (#4140684)

Sheesh. You want Unix but you want it to work just like an operating system designed in 1984? This is silly, these absurd expectations.

OS X, 10.1 runs fine, if a bit sluggish on my 9500. To hear people complaining about its performance on G4s makes me laugh. I don't buy it-- I think this is just an excuse from people who are too grumpy to switch from OS 9.

I made the transition from OS 9 really easily. The UI? Much better in 10. The cruft? Gone in 10.

Umax doesn't support OS X? Bitch at Umax, not Apple. Some software breaks? Well, those are the breaks-- probably the person who made it will fix it. But Apple hasn't done anything wrong (Except provide some nice features in 10.2 tempting us software makers to make our products 10.2 only.)

To completely gloss over the fact that OS X is a new OS (not a warmed over version of NeXT) with a lot of new fiatures, and complain (and complain and complain) about the fact that its different than 9 is absurd.

If apple had shipped something that looked like OS 9, the OS would have been a complete failure. Instead they shipped something good and made a break with the past-- its about time. 15 years with the same UI is too long... and now they can migrate and update the UI much faster so it doesn't get stale, crufty, and pointless like OS 9 was getting. (Note the changes in 10.2, every button is different, etc.)

ITs time for a moratorium on OS 9 whining. IF you don't like 10, don't switch. But don't complain that you can't have your cake and eat it to. Its absurd.

These are a few of my favorite things... (5, Insightful)

frankie (91710) | about 12 years ago | (#4140688)

  1. SMB server browsing. It's not quite perfect yet; it should be integrated into Finder --> Network, and it doesn't show me admin shares (C$). But unlike Sharity, I can mount as many SMBs as I want.
  2. Subpixel Antialiasing. I'm really surprised more people haven't mentioned this yet. Font smoothing on my Pismo is much nicer than in 10.1.
  3. Integrated Finder Search, and Watson too. Much better than Sherlock 3. 'nuff said.
  4. Faster, faster Pussycat! In 10.1 I would cringe in horror every time I accidentally opened a folder with 30+ items, because arranging the icons seemed to be an O(n^2) algorithm.

There are still a few kinks though. Many of my favorite Haxies stopped working. Several apps with kernel extensions need to be reinstalled. And a warning: Jaguar Printer Sharing is completely incompatible with OS 9 Printer Sharing, in both directions. I was hoping this would be the update to let my home network finally work, but it's not going to happen.

I, Too, am Impressed... (3, Informative)

superdan2k (135614) | about 12 years ago | (#4140696)

So I waited in line at the Mall of America to get Jaguar on Friday night (the whole tirade about that is in a recent posting in my livejournal [] ). Prior to this, I upgraded my 500MHz dual-USB iBook from 256MB of RAM to 640MB. It seemed a bit snappier, and things definitely went more smoothly while running with tons o' apps.

Enter Jaguar. Faster, snappier, crisper. This was worth the wait and worth the money. The integration between the basic iApps (iChat, Mail and Address book) is <cartman>sweeeeeet</cartman>. None of my major apps required updating. I haven't spent that much of a weekend futzing around with an OS (and enjoying it) since 10.1 came out.

Minor tidbits: the firewall GUI is nice. PHP is now part of the standard install (however you may want to visit Mark Liyange's page [] to see how to re-enable a lot of the functionality that Apple dumbed-down. (This page also has package installers for MySQL, Ruby, and tons of other cool stuff.) The Mail app seems to be pretty adept at identifying spam...and getting better and better over the last couple of days...and the bounce-to-sender feature makes it look like you don't exist's not perfect but it seems to have reduced the incoming flow by about 10-15%. iChat, a little buggy, but nice...I thought I was going to hate the voice-balloon interface, but I discovered that, strangely enough, it's easier on the eyes than multiple lines of text.

All in all, I'd say that they've outdone themselves again.

Goodbye Linux Desktop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4140706)

Time for linux to tirelessly serve from the backroom. X Windows sucks like that 10th grade blowjob. Get off the Desktop.

Hellloooo Max OSX.2 Rockin my Apple like. . .

That's right.

Color me Crazy (-1, Flamebait)

RealBeanDip (26604) | about 12 years ago | (#4140710)

Sorry, I just don't get it.

Fact: Mac hardware (decent hardware, enough to run and make use of OSX so it isn't a dog) is freekin' expensive. I can buy a $1000 PC, put Linux and KDE on it and have a dynamite, stable box with incredible sound, 512MB of RAM, 100GB HD, great graphics and a nice monitor. Oh yeah, all of my OS upgrades will be Free.

But for $3K I can buy a Mac with decent specs, spend hundreds on OS upgrades, still get old game ports and tell everyone that it has "unix under the covers, although I have no blessed idea how to use it."

It never ceases to amaze me how many excuses a Mac user comes up with why they spend that much money on a Mac.

This isn't meant to be flamebait, although it probably is. I'm just amazed by it, really.

Dude, check out my OSX 10.2 Desktop (4, Interesting)

ryanw (131814) | about 12 years ago | (#4140715)

Dude, gotta check out this Desktop picture [] ! It's completely OpenGL with the fish swimming around and stuff ....

Since it's a complete OpenGL Environment it takes 2 seconds to launch any OpenGL screensaver to be your wallpaper ... Here's the script I used to do it. []

I originally was using the Desktop Effects [] program.

Speed and new features (3, Informative)

shaper (88544) | about 12 years ago | (#4140722)

10.2 is much faster than 10.1 on my DP533. So far, almost every program launch that I have seen takes 1 Dock bounce. I think I saw 2 bounces once, but I don't remember now which app it might have been. Everything just zaps across the screen, even with my puny GeForce2 MX.

Love the new Get Info, especially the integrated ownership/permission view and change options. Love the file find integrated into the Finder and it's fast, too.

One feature I haven't heard mentioned much, is the better user account management. I have 3 kids and now I can set up their accounts restricted to do only the things I give them access to, and they can't wander around the filesystem accidently trashing stuff that I forgot to restrict the file permissions on. Really nice.

New Internet sharing and built-in firewall "just work". I'm planning on buying a new phone just to get the new contact and calendar sync features with iSync and iCal. It will be great having Apple write the sync software, not having to wait forever for Palm or Microsoft to remember Mac users.

I was an early adopter of Mac OS X 10.0, mainly for Unix features and stability. Now Mac OS X 10.2 rocks in a lot of other ways.

Thank you! (2)

sootman (158191) | about 12 years ago | (#4140724)

The stability of Mac OS certainly was pretty good -- ignore the hypocrites who used to praise Mac OS but now decry it -- but it can't match Mac OS X.

Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou. I can't stand people like that, and they come with every OS. I've heard it plenty from Mac people (all along telling me how infinitely superior to Windows it is, then once Mac OS X comes out, all they have to say is that 9 was an unstable bag of shit but OS X is really it) and Linux people as well, as we went from 2.0 to 2.2 to 2.4 kernels. Also cars, video game consoles, etc etc etc. I hate those people.

Also, the rest of the article was good. I'm not a fan of OS X, but we just got out Jaguar discs in today, and I'm about to head upstairs to get mine and try it out.

GCC 3.1? (2, Interesting)

beswicks (584636) | about 12 years ago | (#4140727)

If Mac OS X.2 features GCC 3.1, with GCC 3.2 having just been released to 'stabilize the C++ ABI' [] are Apple setting developers up for a bunch of problems by shipping a buggy compiler?

Also is there likly to be any fallout with 3.1 ABI not being compatable with the 3.2 one? I would guess not until apple release next mac os toolkit?

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