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Australia Oppresses Jedi

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the you-can't-make-this-stuff-up dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 987

eberry writes "Despite over 70,000 respondents (.37% of the population) replying "Jedi" to an optional faith question on Australia's census, it will not become a recognized religion According to CNN "Australian officials say respondents could face a $1,000 fine for supplying false information. Citing, and I quote, "...people of a particular religious affiliation do not provide the correct information, certain facilities might not be built that otherwise would be." Personally I find their lack of faith disturbing." And I find the fact that this is on CNN even more so ;)

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987 comments

fp! (-1, Offtopic)

lommer (566164) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149389)

first post..

so scuk it

Separation of Church and State (4, Insightful)

nuggz (69912) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149394)

There is no reason the state needs to know my religion.
They should not even ask for this information. It is irrelevant to any aspect of the governments purpose.
My tax money shouldn't be used to provide any religious services to anyone.

Re:Separation of Church and State (2)

jhines (82154) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149422)

That was my response to the article, it made me (US citizen) glad for the seperation of church and state, even though it is some what un popular these days.

Government shouldn't be allocating resources based on folks faith beliefs.

Separation of church and state unpopular? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149521)

On the contrary, I think the events of 9/11 demonstrated precisely why separation of church and state is a good thing. (Note that this refers to a secular, non-religious government and not necessarily a secular and non-religious society.)

Re:Separation of Church and State (2)

Stonehand (71085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149528)

I'd like to see some ballsy Congressman publically call on President Bush to explain how to reconcile the White House _Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives_ with the separation doctrine. I don't see a problem with funding faith-based programs, but only if it's done on the exact same grounds as everybody else; IOW, faith-based shouldn't matter at all compared to need and expected efficacy.

Of course the gov't acts based on faith beliefs... (4, Insightful)

clary (141424) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149573)


Government shouldn't be allocating resources based on folks faith beliefs.

Of course the US government acts (and allocates resources) based on faith beliefs of citizens. The US is a representative republic, and so the actions of government reflect, to some extent at least, the will of the people. For many people, their faith beliefs affect their wills more than any other single factor.

The US is also properly a constitutional republic, and to the extent that we pay attention to the US Constitution, governmental action is limited. For example, the Constitution would obviously forbid establishing the Lutheran Church as the official church of the country, even if 90% of the citizens were Lutheran. However, it does not keep Lutherans from lobbying for laws that fit their particular views.

(Note: I just picked Lutheran out of a hat as an example. Don't read more into it than that.)

Re:Separation of Church and State (1)

openSoar (89599) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149432)

it doesn't need to know but it might be useful to you and your religion if it did - building a new place of worship for instance.

that is why the government there got sad about the whole thing - they believe that these answers skewed the real position...

personally, i think it's insane and anyone who puts "jedi" as a religion needs to get back to the real world..

Re:Separation of Church and State (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149480)

Like any other religion is more "real world"

Re:Separation of Church and State (1, Flamebait)

aronc (258501) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149496)

Who made it your job to decide what is and is not a valid religion?

Re:Separation of Church and State (2, Insightful)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149525)

So, do you think believing someone walked on water, turned it into wine, rose from the dead, and like Frosty the Snowman, will be back again someday is more reasonable than believing in The Force, which Lucas probably based on Daoism? You really have to be high on something to believe in Christian Mythology, and I haven't even touched on transubstantiation yet.

Re:Separation of Church and State (1)

Jackazz (572024) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149433)

Are you an aussie? Not all countries have seperation of church and state, so check your narrow-minded viewpoint!

--the rich get richer and the dumb get dumber.

Narrow minded? I think not. (2, Insightful)

Marc2k (221814) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149523)

I am not, but I believe that it is one of the nobler ideals upon which my country was founded. The government of which I chose allegiance shall not dictate double-standards toward persons of differing faiths. Thusly, said government has no place asking me of what faith I am for census purposes. If you live in a religious state, good for you, I could not live there. And for the record, it may be naive to believe that US ideals hold all over the world, but in my opinion it is narrower-minded to mock others for their beliefs. He did not call Australia backwards or stupid, he was expressing that he is glad to live in a country where faith is irrelevant.

Re:Narrow minded? I think not. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149580)

he is glad to live in a country where faith is irrelevant

That's pretty damn funny if you've ever listened to any of Bush's speeches.

Re:Separation of Church and State (1)

John Biggabooty (591838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149569)

A free state must be a secular state. Anything else is a theocracy, no matter how liberal and tolerant the official religion may try to be.

Re:Separation of Church and State (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149437)

RTFP or RTFA.

both clearly state that was an OPTIONAL field

Re:Separation of Church and State (5, Informative)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149478)

"There is no reason the state needs to know my religion."

It's an optional question on a census, not a tax form.

NanoGator wins: FATALITY

Re:Separation of Church and State (0)

rczyzewski (585306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149506)

Regardless of the church vs state battle, there are a few reasons why it is useful to know this. Marketing agencies can pull this data and get new products to markets that may buy, tax money is used for a wide variety of things besides religion - often a large religious population will pickup the slack where government fails to support the area (good or bad-your opinion). I just leave the field blank for religion, same as race, if i dont think the info will be put to good use.

Re:Separation of Church and State (4, Insightful)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149560)

There is no reason the state needs to know my religion.
They should not even ask for this information. It is irrelevant to any aspect of the governments purpose.
My tax money shouldn't be used to provide any religious services to anyone.


Do you live in Australia?

Re:Separation of Church and State (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149566)

In Canada there is a reason for the question of religeon. There is an allowance for a separate Catholic school board that gets funding dependant on the number of catholics in the area.

At least (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149395)

they weren't sued by George Lucas!

False? (2, Insightful)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149397)

How can you tell if a religion is 'false'?

Quite SImple (2)

tunabomber (259585) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149449)

All you have to do is look at the religion's main tenets and religious texts and use rock solid reasoning and sound science to decide whether they contradict themselves or phenomena that exist in the natural world. So, for example, if a religion holds to be truth a text that specifically states that the earth goes around the sun, when empirical observation has shown otherwise... oh, wait.

Re:False? (5, Funny)

Chainsaw76 (261937) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149452)

Apparently they will haev to prove they are, or at least were members of the Jedi Relegion. Perhaps a questionare Would be appropriate..

1. Have you ever tried to convince someone that the driods in your possession were NOT in fact the driods they were looking for?

2. Did you ever have a crush on Princess Leah but had a strange feeling the cosmos would never let it happen.. Not even realizing she was your sister?

3. While drivign down the street at night have you ever turned off your headlights and driven using only the force? did you live?

Of course if it were me and they were asking me to proove I was of the Jedi faith, Id insist they make the christians prove they were christians.. Do you love thy neighbor even when they are mowing the lawn at 5am on a sunday.. Etc..

-Jason

Re:False? (2)

delcielo (217760) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149470)

Perhaps when the lone creator of the religion declared it false?

Re:False? (1)

aronc (258501) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149552)

Perhaps when the lone creator of the religion declared it false?

That really is irrelevent to the discussion. Just because the founder "strayed from the path" doesn't change the fact that people believe in the path itself.

parent isn't a TROLL? (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149482)

If the single doctrine of the religion was to answer Jedi to what is your religion on the census form that that makes is as good a religion as any.

Just more gubmint BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149400)

Are you really that surprised?

Australia has no freedom of religion? (2)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149401)

Whats up? Do the Aussies not have freedom of religion? I can claim to be a Jedi here in the US and I won't get fined for it (or will I?). Damn weird that the Aussie government wants to pigeon hole everyone.

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (2, Insightful)

jat850 (589750) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149428)

I think they would be getting fines (but they're not) for falsifying census information. They're not REALLY Jedi, it was just part of a ploy to get the government to recognize Jedi as an official religion, so technically they did "lie" about their religion. But who cares? :)

"They're not really Jedi" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149476)

What standards or qualifications must a person pass to be a "real" Jedi, "real" Catholic or "real" neo-Druid? Who determines those standards? By what standard are they able to determine who is a "real" whatever, and who is lying?

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (3, Insightful)

vidarh (309115) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149499)

Who are you to say that those people don't really define themselves as Jedi? I can think of a large number of more ridiculous religions that have followers that take it really seriously (enough so to account for quite a few mass suicides, for instance).

Ultimately I doubt the census bureau will try to do anything, as it is next to impossible to prove anything about a religion - after all a religion is based on faith and beliefs, not proofs, and any attempt to push people on it might lead to uncomfortable decisions affecting "real" religions...

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (1)

DougJohnson (595893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149436)

Don't you mean Dingo hole everyone?

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (2)

pi radians (170660) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149498)

More like kiwi hole everyone.

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (1)

cyborch (524661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149441)

This is not about freedom of religion but about whether or not the government should recognise Jediism as a religion and fund the building of jedi temples.

70.000 people is a lot though, is there somewhere one can petition for this to become recognised as a religion?

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (1)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149527)

There are already Jedi temples all over the world: digital theatres :-P

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (2)

CommieLib (468883) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149447)

It's not the religion for which you're being fined, it's the fraud of the claim.

How is it fraud? (2)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149466)

How is it fraud? Why CAN'T someone be a Jedi? Is it because it is a concept that appears in movies? Doesn't seem to be any differnt then claiming you are a Druid or Witch.

Re:How is it fraud? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149502)

Someone can not be a Jedi because it is FICTION.

There are no Master Jedi.
Yoda is NOT REAL.

THERE IS NO SPOON. ...oh wait...

Fraud is about intentionally deceiving... ...by claiming that you are 'a jedi' you are intentionally deceiving.

Uh, what about Scientology? (3, Insightful)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149571)

Scientology was fiction, L God Hubbard was actually a decent sci-fi author till he started beliving what he was writing was divine (hence he started his religion).

As for fiction in modern religion, other then the fact that Jesus was a person, and was killed, we don't have much other proof to support the stories in the bible. Who knows maybe 2000 years from now people will worship Yoda as a person? I think the point is sure Jedi is a fictional concept, but who knows there isn't much proof that other religions are little more (and don't come back with the "Word of God" stuff, cause that is just bringing dogma into a factual argument).

Re:How is it fraud? (1)

taliver (174409) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149516)

... or a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, A Buddhist, A Hindu, a Confusist, a Scientologist, an Athiest...

Remember, every religion starts off with a wacko according to somebody's definition.

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (1)

paladin_tom (533027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149462)

I can claim to be a Jedi here in the US and I won't get fined for it (or will I?).

The problem isn't with saying you're a Jedi, the problem is with lying on your census. According to the article, an email circulated, saying that if enough people claim to be Jedis, then Australia must recognize Jedism as a religion. So, many people who said they were Jedis were just playing an (illegal) prank on their government.

I don't know what the law is in the US, but in Canada, lying on your census is illegal. Australia seems to have similar laws, so that's what's happening here.

Proving Intent? (2)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149524)

(IANAL) but I think you would have to prove intent to defraud. Was the point to make a joke like the email claims? But I think quite frankly I think one could claim to support the ideals/precepts of being a Jedi (they are close to Buddism, but a little differnt) and could safely defend ones point that ones religion was actually "Jedi". So unless the government could prove you were part of a larger conspiracry it would be a defendable point.

Re:Australia has no freedom of religion? (2, Insightful)

perrin5 (38802) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149477)

I _think_ the aussie's issue is not whether or not you CAN be a Jedi, but rather whether or not you actually ARE a Jedi. The wording of the "warning" implies (to me) that they don't believe that everyone claiming to be a Jedi actually are. After all, even I think it'd be funny to say "I'm a Jedi Knight" in a stupid religous orientation box in a stupid survey.

They don't want to spend resources on people who are essentially purpetrating a hoax by giving them legal status as a religion.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149403)

fp booyah

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149405)

fp? 12345

they have to give out their religous info? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149407)

what i find disturbing is that they have to give out their religious affiliation or else...what buisness does the government have knowning how they worship, and why are they keeping records of that...

Re:they have to give out their religous info? (1)

forevermore (582201) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149532)

You missed the "to an optional faith question" in the post. The government isn't really concerned about people who don't fill out the form, but that people filled out a religion which is entirely based on the [imho] fictional writings and producings of George Lucas, Joseph Cambell and whoever else helped write the original storylines.

And my guess is that they are more concerned that people will also fill out false information about other things (the US does give grants to many religious-based nonprofits, so maybe AU does, too). Those census things drive a LOT of funding, in many different areas.

Re:they have to give out their religous info? (1)

Memetic (306131) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149575)

They did not have to, they chose to. Try reading the article.

Linux is my religion (1, Troll)

dattaway (3088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149408)

Mod me down.

Emacs is my religion (0, Flamebait)

iamwoodyjones (562550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149542)

Mod me down too.

Use the farce... (1)

Winnipenguin (603571) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149411)

Someone forgot to pull the old Jedi mind trick. Are Jedi inSIGnificant? If you don't get, read it again.

Next time... (1)

paladin_tom (533027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149414)

Everyone should list their religion as "Free Software!"

Question for the Aussies here... (1)

Stonehand (71085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149418)

What exactly does the Australian government /do/ with this information? From the "certain buildings may not be built" line, one might infer that it provides subsidies to religious groups -- but it's also conceivable that religious demographics are involved in determining which historical sites are to be preserved or what monuments get built or so forth.

Re:Question for the Aussies here... (2)

Xaoswolf (524554) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149557)

What do they do, well, if according to the census, 85 percent of the population of an area is catholic, and the local catholic church is asking for some money to build a new facility. Then they would probably recieve a chunk of money proportinal to the size of the populace that would be using it. Like wise if a small (5% of the pop.) group were to ask for money to build a large elaborate complex, they might recieve enough to purchas a tool shed.

Suckers (1)

the way, what're you (591901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149419)

Looks like 70,000 people were trolled [snopes2.com] . That's about a day's worth of reading slashdot. :)

What about Lucus? (5, Insightful)

jaaron (551839) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149424)

So what I want to know is what is Lucus going to do about it? Since he owns the trademarks and copyrights, could a "Jedi" religion ever really be anything more that a joke?

Lucus? (1)

Jhan (542783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149537)

Do you mean Lucus as in

I am Lucus of the Borg. Resistance is futile.

or Lucus as in

Damn this cold! Yesterday I blew out half my body weight in Lucus!

?

Re:What about Lucus? (0)

rczyzewski (585306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149539)

Hmm, what i want to know now is can i copyright any of the religions out there for myself? I'll take Judaism.

Re:What about Lucus? (5, Funny)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149543)

"Since he owns the trademarks and copyrights, could a "Jedi" religion ever really be anything more that a joke?"

You know, I look at Scientology [xenu.net] and I say to myself, "you never know."

Re:What about Lucus? (1)

juggleme (53716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149550)

Well, at least it wouldn't be the first trademarked religion. Scientology takes that award...

Hmm, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149425)

I'm a Jedi. In light of this religious intolerance demonstrated by the Australian government, I will cancel all my travel plans to AUstralia.

Jedis of the world unite !

I can't blame him (4, Funny)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149434)

Make them use the force to move some shit around the room. If they can do it, let them have their religion.

Hell, make the fatter ones do 1 sit up and I'll believe they've mastered the force.

Nerd(robotic voice): I am a Storm-Trooper!

Triumph the Wonder Dog(robotic voice, mockingly): You are a huge nerd!

Re:I can't blame him (1)

MonaXier (563400) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149513)

Make them use the force to move some shit around the room. If they can do it, let them have their religion.
Sure, provided christians are required to turn water into wine.

Re:I can't blame him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149538)

That's great! While we're at it, let's make the Christians raise from the dead or the Jewish make a little lamp oil last impossibly long time, or any of the other miracles that some religion claims. Just because you can't do it yourself, doesn't mean you can't believe/worship it. And as it happens, there are a LOT of "recognized" religions out there that believe in telekinesis of some sort.

Re:I can't blame him (0)

linzeal (197905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149544)

Let the christians turn water to wine or ressurect the dead, or let the jews part the red sea for old time sake. Hell, fucking force christians to turn the other cheek, tithe, and not work on sunday. Make dianetics prove their technology "e-meters" work and so and so forth.

Here, let me paraphrase nietzsche, "metaphysics is dead". Get it? It is all absurd at this point.

aussie construction projects (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149438)

"certain facilities might not be built that otherwise would be"

They need to know if they should build the Death Star or not!

Derrr.. (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149439)

"Despite over 70,000 respondents (.37% of the population) replying "Jedi" to an optional faith question on Australia's census, it will not become a recognized religion"

Well duh. Who would put down 'Jedi' and not be considered sarcastic? What'd they expect?

Frankly, I'd be insulted if they took me seriously for a stunt like that. "You believe in a force that requires motion control and wires, your idol is a puppet (muppet?), your bible is a piece of inconsistent fiction that isn't even aware of how slow the speed of light is, and you're willing to hang out with a crowd of people are understandably single."

Yep, I'd be insulted by being accepted as a Jedi.

Re:Derrr.. (1)

Eu4ria (110578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149511)

your bible is a piece of inconsistent fiction
Just like the regular bible then :)

70,000 Jedi's can't be wrong... (2)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149442)

But I'm surprised that we haven't heard of George Lucas trying to sue the pants off of those Ausie's that replied using the trademarked religion.

False information? (5, Insightful)

bmetzler (12546) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149443)

"If, for example, people of a particular religious affiliation do not provide the correct information, certain facilities might not be built that otherwise would be."

I presume that people who write Jedi on their census form are most agnostics and other non-religious people who would have otherwise not answered at all on the census. So the Australian religious budget would not go to them to begin with. Why not have a little fun? It doesn't hurt anything, except for a few hours for the census department to remove the figures from there total.

Now if a person from a legitimate religion answered Jedi, and therefore has caused less dollars to go to his religious organization, I say he gets what he deserves.

-Brent

Re:False information? (2)

elefantstn (195873) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149501)

It doesn't hurt anything, except for a few hours for the census department to remove the figures from there total.


Which is, I suppose, the point -- do Australians want their tax dollars being spent on having the census bureau go through and remove all the joke answers (not just religion -> Jedi) from census forms?

Re:False information? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149568)

do Australians want their tax dollars being spent on having the census bureau go through and remove all the joke answers (not just religion -> Jedi) from census forms?

But why would they add them to begin with? It's not hard...you see "Jedi" and don't enter it into the database.

Not that I'm asking you in particular. I don't expect you to be the Austrailian census...just pointing something out.

Re:False information? (2, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149570)

They shouldn't remove the answers. The data accurately reflects what it should reflect: when asked for their religious Australians answered:

X1% Religion 1
X2% Religion 2 .....

They have no idea what religion people really are. They know what they claimed on the form, and that should be the number reported.

The American census takes the same position on issues like race, you are what race you claim to be.

Re:False information? (2, Informative)

paladin_tom (533027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149503)

Why not have a little fun?

Because in most countries, lying on your census is illegal. Hence the hubbub.

Re:False information? (5, Funny)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149553)

Because in most countries, lying on your census is illegal. Hence the hubbub.

They didn't lie on their census forms.*waves hand*

The U.K. recognizes Jedi (1)

WinkyN (263806) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149445)

I remember watching the Daily Show several months ago, and they did a segment on how the U.K. recognized Jedi as a religion. It was listed on a census card with about 100 other faiths. Of course, the Daily Show made fun of the Force, which is to be expected.

They need a little structure (1)

ender-iii (161623) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149450)

They need a little structure and maybe they could get a Jedi facility built.

The DARK FORCE (2)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149453)

My suspisions are correct.The Dark force has taken over earth and is trying to eliminate the JEDI. The JEDI must stand up.
May the Force be with you ye noble soldiers

YODa YODa we call thee
come sooner than my credit card fee
we will set the world free
Let the unbelievers be
Coz the question is to be or not to be

I m not making any sense, aint I.. well i never ment to ;-)

The problem is the film came before the book... (1)

Memetic (306131) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149458)

This decision must be because they have lots of firm evidence that all the other religions are based on fact, after all how can "Jedi" be a real religion the film came out after the book.

Everyone knows that you make your sacred text THEN you do the movies. Duh!

They probably won't recognise Elvites either. (1)

John Biggabooty (591838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149464)

So, Australia is oppressing the followers of The Force. I bet they won't recognize Elvites [uncoveror.com] either. Do you have to pick from an approved list of Christian churches to avoid being prosecuted for giving false information?

Re:They probably won't recognise Elvites either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149549)

Amen to that. Personally, I find any significant number of Catholics to be disturbing in this day and age.

Interesting predicament (1)

shrikel (535309) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149467)

Person A professes to believe in something. Person B doesn't believe that Person A really believes it. Person A's belief is set aside and not considered "real."

Granted, many of the people who wrote "Jedi" probably don't really believe in jedism (?), but what about the few that probably do? Where does the state think it has the audacity to declare some peoples' beliefs justified and others invalid?

On the other hand, what about the groups that actually rely on census data to make their decisions? It is a problem if lots of people falsify data. I know that lots of people purposefully lie on exit polls as they leave the voting booths in November just to screw up the prediction system.

Australia's National Census. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane. ;)

LOL - Pot/Kettle... (1)

destiney (149922) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149474)


And I find the fact that this is on CNN even more so ;)

No more surprising than some of the bullshit that appears on this site..

They will certify the Jedi religion (3, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149485)

when followers bring in doctors notes testifying to their "midichlorian count".

Jedi training center (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149487)

When are they going to open a jedi training center. The force is obviously strong in AU. They should be researching light sabers, building temples, and raising the next generation of Jedi Masters, not oppressing the chosen!

give me a break... (1)

i7dude (473077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149488)

when will people stop with this sill nonesense???

come to your senses peope...stick to wroshiping sons of virgins and flaming hedges that talk.

dude.

Mockery of Christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149490)

Personally this makes me glad. Let's be honest here people .. JEDI IS NOT A RELIGION and the people who were putting it down on their forms were only doing it as a JOKE. Now I don't expect this to go over well on Slashdot, a site whose readership is about as anti-religion as you can get, but there are those of us who really do take this SERIOUSLY. If you choose not to, then fine, that's your decision.

But you have to understand when you put things like this down on your form you are mocking people's most cherished beliefs. That might not bother you, but at the very LEAST you might show some respect (or if not respect, try some RESTRAINT.) After all it's not as if my church teaches that Star Wars fans are going to hell, why use Star Wars in an attempt to persecute my church? If you have no religion, write "NO RELIGION", don't make something up to mock other decent people.

Why should i show respect? (1)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149556)

When most organized religons make it clear that they dont respect my beliefs. (Note, i said most).

CNN == Enquirer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149504)

Has anyone else recently noticed the nosedive in the quality of stories on cnn.com?

Come on, Russia waiting on Lance's space cash a lead story for three days?

I'm used to ignoring the drivel from those two yahoo's on the CNN network, Aaron Brown and Paula Zahn, but the cnn.com site at least used to have real news.

They have faith (1)

javatips (66293) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149507)

Personally I find their lack of faith disturbing.


They have faith in the Jedi counsel! This is not a lack of faith!

blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149508)

This is so old it's not funny.

may the force not be with you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4149509)

Yeah so your a jedi...which one are you? goodie or badie....?if your name begins with Random, your a sith, if your name begins will Linus then your a goodie

time to clean house (1)

corrosiv (116029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149510)


They should allow the losers to write "Jedi" and then proceed to ship everyone on the list into the outback. They can enjoy calling it Tattooine while the buzzards circle overhead. Feel free to take anyone who writes that Klingon is their first language too.

Other Science fiction religions... (1)

dfrick (255498) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149518)

Do they exclude Scientologists too?

Funny. But I can see why they are upset. (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149536)

People like you and me do not take these statistical surverys very seriously, but if it was your job to collect accurate day. Painstakingly calculing your margin of error, insuring you have proper samplings, you'd be upset too.

Must be a slow news day for cute pranks to get on CNN. :)

in related news. (1, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149546)

.37% of Australias population have no life.

Jedi is as valid as any (1)

PenguinLord (555013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149562)

After all aren't christanity and islam based on fictional accounts of a choosen one. Star wars is no different, it's just newer and presented in a different media.

I have a theory..... (4, Funny)

Rahga (13479) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149563)

"...people of a particular religious affiliation do not provide the correct information, certain facilities might not be built that otherwise would be."

Can anyone tell me why the Aussies need to be involved with building "facilities" that involve religion in any way.... Maybe something having to do with the Aboriginies.... ?

I have another theory. With a stong force of Jedi in the land down under, Dark Helmet and Colonel Sanders don't stand a chance at taking over the galaxy. By breaking the ties formed through the census among all Aussie Jedi, the Schwartz will go flacid. This is make way for the introduction of more intrusive inquiries to be lead by the census, and eventually, universal installation of virgin alarms.

This may lead to something even more dangerous than communism.

Sad devotion to that ancient religion? (2, Insightful)

syo (413318) | more than 11 years ago | (#4149579)

I really want to know how you get official recognition of a religion in Australia...

In the CNN article, they state:

The bureau said that the Jedi response was categorized as "not defined" for census purposes. The criteria for recognizing a religion go "beyond the number of responses a particular answer receives in the census," it said.

Hmmm...I wonder where the idea that 10 000 responses would make "Jedi" a recoginzed religion?
Anyone know what the real criteria are? Or do you think the Aussie gov't is just trying to sweep this under the carpet?

And how would you charge them with fraud? How could they prove you aren't a Jedi? Or at least an observer of the Jedi faith. I fail to see how anyone can prove anything *isn't* a religion.

Do they call Pope Lucas and get the list of faithful from him?

Is Scientology an official religion in Australia?

70, 000 Jedi. Rock on down. Good Onya, mates!
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