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Running Windows Games with WineX

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the easier-said-than-done dept.

Wine 387

GonzoJohn writes "Linux Orbit takes a look at TransGaming Technologies' WineX and puts it through its paces with eight different Windows games. In addition to reviewing: Diablo 2, Starcraft, LinksLS 1998 (Golf Simulation), Dungeon Keeper 2, Populous the Beginning, Black and White, Fallout 2 and Might and Magic 6 under WineX 2.1, we also give you some helpful tips to make your WineX gaming experience as pleasant as possible."

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First sober post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169090)

Ive not been drinking wine, so there.

First slightly inibriated post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169096)

i cannnnot tipe my fngers arre huge

The key sentence in the whole article (4, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169100)

Of the 8 games that I installed and tried to use with WineX 2.1, only half actually worked.

So, use WineX and take your chances that the game will work (50/50), or dual boot the Windows that came with your computer.

Also, the overhead of WineX must have been pretty serious. I was running Diablo2 and Starcraft on a PII 233 without a hitch.

WineX - Not ready yet

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169124)

Could be an interesting XBox option...
Unfortunately cannot dual boot in Xbox.

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169131)

For me the key statement on the site is "TransGaming subscriptions cost $5 per month, with a minimum three months payment." I truly would not mind paying for the winex service if everything worked out, but I'd rather use my windows boot for free until they work everything out.

Observation: (2, Insightful)

Meat Blaster (578650) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169219)

If you had a subscription to TransGaming ever since they announced the plan, wouldn't it have already cost almost as much as buying Windows 95/98/ME/XP Home preinstalled with the computer?

Obviously, using Windows to play Windows games lacks the cool value of using Linux to play Windows games, and it really sucks to want to play a Windows game when you're using Linux to render/compile/download, so there is added utility to having WineX besides just running Windows stuff slowly (533Mhz AMD, so I can't complain)... but until the compatibility hits that critical mass I'm going to hold off.

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169135)

Well my computers didn't come with Windows. I don't even have a licence to install a copy. Luckly I don't play many games at all, and consoles do it well enough when I get the urge one every few months.

I can't get to the site to read the article. But I'm guessing the reviewer booted into Windows to install the games? That is one thing I find really lacking about Wine, and what keeps me from using it. It is just about impossible to install software under Wine. One has to boot into Windows do the install, then you can go back and use the software in Wine. Also in the review if there was a copy of Windows installed. Did the reviewer have WineX configured to make use of Windows DLLs, or just use the built in versions?

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (2)

mbyte (65875) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169179)

hmm, i just installed warcraft 3 from cd just fine. And no, i don't have any windows on my computer.

I had to "get" 2 dll's somewhere though ...

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (2)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169188)

No, the reviewer didn't dual boot. He installed everything under linux. I've never tried winex, but wine works great for me. As long as you read the docs, and check the FAQs when you're stuck, you should be fine. The app database on winehq is a great source of info, since quite a few people hang out there and post what tricks they needed to get certain apps running. And it seems to be getting better by the day.

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (2)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169195)

The only major problems that I have had when installing games with WINE is due to the copy protected CDs. Many of them tend to puke out when using WineHQ's WINE. Transgaming apparently has some closed code (e.g. Safedisk) that they have licensed to alleviate that problem. That is at least what I have heard. I may be wrong.

Older games and most standard Windows programs have always installed nicely for me though.

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (2, Interesting)

iamplasma (189832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169205)

I'd rather disagree with you there about the installer. Yes, there are some known problems with the installer sometimes hanging at the end (but with the program installed), but I've actually once been forced to use Wine to install (and even run) a program that just wouldn't work under windows. My trusty old Kodak DC50 digital camera refused to install under my windows 98se, though I should admit it was a fairly crusty install at the time. So I installed it using wine, and everything worked fine. Indeed, if I remember correctly, even the program itself wasn't willing to work, and I believe I ended up even extracting the photos off the camera using wine as well.

In any case, while the exact details are hazy, I can assure you that I have encountered circumstances where wine has even run the installer when windows has not, and I've not encountered any problems with installers under wine (though again, I should admit I've only attempted installing a few games). So don't be so quick to insult it, especially for a free program for a free OS to run games that normally require a $200 POS OS to run.

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169261)

Excellent. I hadn't tried to use Wine for a while now because of my past experiences, and really not needing to run Windows applications.

I wasn't trying to insult Wine, I was just stating a problem I had in the past. Just when I was switching from Windows to Linux it would have been useful to me, to still be able to use some of the applications I was used to. But I may have been better off for just going cold turkey and finding ways to do what I was doing before with just what was available to me.

AH, but all I want to know is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169150)

...does WineX handle Solitaire?

Re:AH, but all I want to know is... (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169175)

I've been playing Spider Solitaire a lot lately. I wonder if it can handle that...

Re:AH, but all I want to know is... (1)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169232)

You can play spider solitare through the free version of codeweavers wine [codeweavers.com]. Copy the spider directory in windows to your home directory and create a link "wine $HOME/spider/spider.exe" and you can play it quite nicely. I have a nice link to on my kde panel. Finding a good spider icon was the hardest part. It is quite fast, though I have an 850Mhz Athlon so results may vary. I've used it to play around with pinball & freecell (gnome freecell is much better!). I also use it for the windows version of AIM, my kids use all of the features and have to have that version. Me, I use gaim!

Re:AH, but all I want to know is... (1)

iamplasma (189832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169217)

Yes, wine has supported solitare for a hell of a long time. Indeed, I believe you'll find that it's the first program you're shown how to run in the WINE HOWTO.

Think time for switching between OSs (1)

anandsr (148302) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169199)

The thing is that if you have to boot you waste some
time. For me one of the problems was the speed loss.
I don't know why wine has to be slower when its
supposed to emulate windows calls rather than each
and every x86 instruction.

Re:The key sentence in the whole article (5, Insightful)

Mr.Ned (79679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169324)

You're pretty unfairly ripping WineX. With a sample group of 8, statistics and percentages don't mean much. Check out Transgaming's list of games that work - it's pretty long. And the games they used aren't exactly new or anything - they use different versions of DirectX, and Transgaming has been working hard to provide wrappers for the _current_ version of DirectX, not the one from 3 years ago.

What I find funny is that I can't run the original Fallout under Windows 2000, but can run it under Wine/WineX.

No GUI installer - so what? (-1, Troll)

Hee Hee Hee (310695) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169110)

One thing sorely lacking with WineX is any sort of GUI installer.


Come on...if you're using Linux, what's the big deal about command line installation? Yeah, I know - make it appealing to the masses, blah, blah, blah. But to say that it's SORELY lacking takes the criticism a bit too far.

Re:No GUI installer - so what? (0, Flamebait)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169129)

Come on...if you're using Linux, what's the big deal about command line installation? Yeah, I know - make it appealing to the masses, blah, blah, blah.

ha ha ha, welcome to Why Linux isn't Used on the Desktop 101.

This reminds me of point 3 on this excellent Linux Zealot putdown on the other site [kuro5hin.org]

Re:No GUI installer - so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169204)

There are distributions that make it so you NEVER have to use the console, you know.

Re:No GUI installer - so what? (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169218)

>can't handle partitions > 2GB
Wow, he lost me there.
That info is so out of date, it was out of date 8 years before kuro5hin even opened (I'd say longer, but I can only vouch for how long I've been using it).
I wouldn't trust a single thing that guy says if he can't make a partition bigger than 2 GB (and, AFAIK, there's never been a 2 GB partition limit in Linux).
The truth is that person made about 1 cognisant complaint about linux, and one monkey sitting at one typewriter for one month could have done better.
Maybe next time he'll say windows XP is no good because it runs on top of DOS like windows 3.1.

Re:No GUI installer - so what? (1)

vofka (572268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169145)

Precicely... Personally, I'm a self-confessed 'command-line junkie'... I've lost count of the number of times that I've been watching someone clicking aimlessly in a GUI of some kind, trying to change this-or-that configuration, and I've sat down and had the change done in 60 seconds flat from the command line - and that applies to Windoze as much as to Linux...

There's nothing that you can do in a GUI that can't be done equally well from a command line. Sure, GUI's make software easier for non-techies to use, but what they do NOT do is make software easier for a non-techie to UNDERSTAND. Biiig difference.

Re:No Dick - so what? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169237)

Hey fucktard - you wrote that there's nothing that you can do in a GUI that can't be done equally well from a command line. That's quite a gross fucking generalization. I'd like to see you edit some JPEGS using a command line you half-wit. In your rush to make a post, you decided to use your ass instead of your brain, although I have a feeling the two may not be all that different. You are a child molestor of the worst kind. And honestly, you know you need a GUI. How else are you going to paste your picture into all those gay porn JPEGS you keep downloading? You're a fucking retard and I hate you. You probably live in San Francisco and suck dick in public restrooms. Then, after you've serviced your client, you tell him all about the wonders of Windows 98 and how much you love using it. See, I know when you get on "The Internet" you try to be a fucking Linux badass but in reality you're just a fag with mommy's new Dell (which you only get to use when she's not signed on to AIM talking dirty to me.)

Do you have a tiny penis? Yes, you do. You're sad. It's just like DMX said, "You are a fucking Linux-homo who has sex with men in bathrooms." Did your father make you grab your ankles? Where exactly did you go wrong?

Also, you are not a "techie", as you so eloquently put it. Your raging stupidity proves that you are nothing more than another child who walks around mommy's house holding his dick but has his lunch money stolen every day of junior high. You're a fucking boner. In conclusion, stop making stupid posts (I will be checking your other posts for other stupid things you have said and reply to them in time.) and go have sex with your priest again, you faggot Christian.

Re:No Dick - so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169291)

You sure know a lot about ass-fucking. Get a lot of practice raping your younger brothers?

Re:No GUI installer - so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169186)

one of the big reasons behind WineX gameing is to help push Linux to the desktop. i.e. when Linux can run games [a current weakness] more people will use it. If you want Linux on the desktop then it needs to be as simple and easy to setup and use as can me. So yes, I think "Sorely" lacking is a good way to put it.
as much as I dislike MS business practices, they have done a lot right when it comes to user interface. rember what ever good interface ideas they could not beg borrow or steal, they developed.
General Users are scared of a ">_" and should never have to see it. especily not for a game.

Slashdotted! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169111)

You`ve got to love web-site error messages! Well, I guess its better than "Error #120492"...

Warning: Lost connection to MySQL server during query in /home/orbitftp/www/pages/pnadodb/adodb-mysql.inc.p hp on line 105

Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Lost connection to MySQL server during query in /home/orbitftp/www/pages/pnadodb/adodb-mysql.inc.p hp on line 105
Error connecting to dblonew
Program: /home/orbitftp/www/pages/mainfile2.php - Line N.: 82
Database: lonew
Error (2013) :

Re:Slashdotted! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169166)

Here is the main site:

http://www.transgaming.com/

Subscribers get to vote on what is next to be worked on (example: improve overall sound).

Oops.... wrong link! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169280)

Oops... sorry!

Got the link wrong. Here's the right one:

http://www.transgender.org/

I don't know about anyone else's experience... (3, Insightful)

fatwreckfan (322865) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169116)

...but the farthest I got with WineX was getting Warcraft 3 to install. After that, nothing.

Now, I wasn't using their membership-based binary release though, but still, why should I go through the hell of manually editing config files and removing the cinematics from my game when I could just reboot?

Re:I don't know about anyone else's experience... (1)

Hugh Kir (162782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169140)

I've used it to play Black & White. It worked rather well, although sometimes the mouse would jump when you clicked it, which was rather annoying (I can't count the number of people I tossed into the Great Beyond when all I was trying to do was get them to farm). Still, it was playable.

Re:I don't know about anyone else's experience... (2, Informative)

JEDi_ERiAN (79402) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169167)

You're doing something wrong, I had no problems getting WC3 to install or to play it (w/ their release or the latest cvs). Try the WC3 forum on transgaming's site to get some help:

http://www.transgaming.com/postlist.php?forum=56 0

E.

Well... (2, Insightful)

velocipenguin (416139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169119)

...if it can't run GTA3 *perfectly*, I'll stick with Windows for my silly wastes of time. :P

Re:Well... (1)

JEDi_ERiAN (79402) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169185)

If you want GTA3 to run perfectly, get a PS2. The PC version is one of the "worst ports ever" (simpson's-comic-book-guy-voice).

E.

Re:Well... (1)

velocipenguin (416139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169228)

You need good hardware to run it. It's a good port, but they didn't enhance it a lot for the PC. I don't think it'll run well with anything less than a GeForce 4 Ti. And frankly, it's so much easier to play on the PC (better controls, etc.) that it's worth spending $150 for a new video card in order to be able to play it.

Re:Well... (1)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169274)

That's the beauty of winex, in some cases it actually runs better in linux. I have a TNT2 32 Meg card, GTA3 is unuseable in windows it requires a GForce and says so on the box. But it is quite playable in linux under winex. I believe it has to do with the fact that OpenGL rendering (NVIDIA Version) is more efficient than Direct X 8. The only problem I have is if I run the stupid videos at the beginning of the game, it will lock up the computer in the middle of it. But if I hit the space bar and bypass the intros, no problems. You do have to have an nvidia card though. Without hardware acceleration with the commercial drivers you can't run much of anything at all.

Re:Well... (1)

JEDi_ERiAN (79402) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169323)

What kind of system you running that TNT2 on?? I have a 1.4gig Tbird, 512mb RAM, geforce2 card, and gta3 runs like a dog in linux & win. It's only playable during some sequences, it's waaaay to choppy while cruising the city.

E.

Re:Well... (1)

velocipenguin (416139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169360)

It's entirely possible that the TNT2 has better OpenGL support than the GeForce cards. For what it's worth, GTA3 only ran at about 10 FPS (average) on my Athlon XP 1700+ with 256MB PC2700 and an overclocked GeForce 2 GTS at 640x480x16, low draw distance, all the fancy visual and audio effects off- it's REALLY dependent on DirectX 8 support, which the NV17 core lacks. Try upgrading to a GeForce 3 or 4, or one of the newer Radeons; your framerate will probably quadruple. I did, and it screams at 1280x1024x32 with all the effects turned up.

Re:Well... (1)

velocipenguin (416139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169339)

Okay, that's damned cool. I have to show that to my brother - he has a really, really shitty GeForce2 MX200 on his machine and can barely play GTA3 :P. I have noticed that DirectX is quite a bit slower than OpenGL. Even in older games like Half-Life, my framerate drops precipitously if I switch it to DirectX mode. I wish more games would take advantage of OpenGL, as it would make it far easier to port to other platforms by not requiring the developers to implement a different proprietary graphics API. Too bad the Redmond juggernaut is so pushy.

try vmware et al. (1)

dankelley (573611) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169128)

I've found that vmware works well on my linux platform, letting me do mswindows work. I've only done it on "work", though (office suite), not games.

I guess a negative is that you've got to buy vmware, whereas I imagine winex is free ... but you've got to buy the games too, right?

PS: What's wrong with me? I've never played a computer game, after I got bored with PONG, lo so many years ago.

Re:try vmware et al. (5, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169162)

Well you have to buy VMWare, and a copy of Windows. Plus from what I last heard, VMWare doesn't support 3D acceloration.

Wine on the other hand has most of Windows' DLLs reimplimented internally so you don't need a copy of Windows. (But if you have one installed it can use the DLLs that it finds there to help itself along.)

Re:try vmware et al. (3, Insightful)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169163)

Theres a serious problem, imho, regarding that solution. VMWare requires LOTS of hardware to run, not leaving many resources to the games themselves (which requires good hardware), games would not run smoothly on such configuration...

Re:try vmware et al. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169210)

Unfortunately, VMWare doesn't support DirectX, and likely never will.

It also costs $$$ to register to download the WineX binary distributions, which contain copyrighted code to bypass certain copy protection mechanisms on games.

A great alternative is to install the Microsoft Windows OS. It is free (as in illegal), and natively supports DirectX games. The downside is that it crashes constantly.

Cheers,
-AC

Re:try vmware et al. (2)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169221)

You also have to buy Windows along with VMWare. Wine is a compatibility layer... Free, open libraries that are designed to run native Windows code. VMWare, if I am not mistaken, emulates a virtual machine on which you can run an OS within an OS. Wine is quite different, as it is just a wrapper that translates Win32 calls to native Linux calls. Wine doesn't require Windows at all, but some applications run better if they can use the native Windows DLLs instead of the Wine libs. But it is getting better. Wine libraries are getting more efficient and accurate every day.

Why did you bother posting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169327)

Seriously.
You know nothing of games. As stated already, vmware doesn't support directX, which most boneheaded developers are using these days.

And no, winex and the games it "supports" aren't free either.

Kind of off topic (2, Interesting)

HimalayanRoadblock (601900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169130)

I just dont want to see anybody dissing on Wine for not supporting more games. If Microsoft loosened up their grip on the DirectX code it would make matters better. How can they possibly call it "Trustworthy Computing" if you or I cannot even look at the source. Do they mean that I should be Trusting Them worthy of writing my code? Just my 2 cents.

Re:Kind of off topic (1)

tsaotsao (161192) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169170)

I just dont want to see anybody dissing on Wine for not supporting more games.

How about dissing on Wine for killing linux gaming? I'm just joking, it was dead already

Re:Kind of off topic (1)

HimalayanRoadblock (601900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169192)

Nah. You cannot kill something thats never been alive. Thats like saying, I hunted all the unicorns to extinction.

Re:Kind of off topic (1, Offtopic)

ShavenYak (252902) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169207)

I hunted all the unicorns to extinction.

You bastard, I bet you killed all the snipes too, and now my children will never know the joys of snipe hunting!

At least there are still a few jackalopes left!

WINE and other PC virtual machines (2)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169139)

Interesting stuff. Reminds me of some informal tests I did on my Mac OS system running the PC hardware environment emulator Virtual PC. [connectix.com]

What I don't get from the article is why performance and compatibility is so poor, given that WINE is a virtual machine, according to its circular acronym ("WINE Is Not an Emulator"). Sounds like WINE doesn't link very well to the existing native hardware.

Based on these results I would suspect greater compatibility in Virtual PC (Windows or Macintosh version), although these emulators don't officially support many games since graphics acceleration isn't available in these games. Most of them should run in VPC, but slowly.

There must be a common link to all the games that don't run in WINE. I know that video acceleration isn't required for Diablo 2--so that's probably a starting point.

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (1)

HimalayanRoadblock (601900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169174)

This is also kind of off topic. Just checked out the Diablo 2 homepage to see about the 3d support. I was under the impression it was required for the lighting effects. But no it is Optional. I love the quote though.
*Supports Glide(TM) and Direct 3D(TM) compatible video cards with at least 8MB of video RAM. Direct 3D(TM) requires 64 MB of system RAM

So an 8MB Glide card is equivelent to an 8MB direct3d card + 64MB of system ram?? Why would any programmer choose Direct3d??

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (4, Insightful)

Time Doctor (79352) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169184)

" given that WINE is a virtual machine, according to its circular acronym ("WINE Is Not an Emulator")"

The maintainer of WINE refers to it as an emulator.

It is indeed an emulator. Even the kernel cousin [zork.net] for it refers to it as an emulator.

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (3, Informative)

Covener (32114) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169201)

Virtual PC and VMWARE are virtual machines, WINE isn't.

It's a partial re-implementation of win32 and related API's. The approach of the former requires a licensed copy of Windows, the latter does not.

The reason some things do not work is that you have to implement more than just the documented externals.

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (1)

Captain Morgan (160029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169211)

What I don't get from the article is why performance and compatibility is so poor, given that WINE is a virtual machine, according to its circular acronym ("WINE Is Not an Emulator"). Sounds like WINE doesn't link very well to the existing native hardware.
Wine is NOT an emulator and thus also NOT a virtual machine. It's a reimplementation of the Windows API. Performance is much more of an algorithm and interface to native libraries/systems(X11) issue, not that of interfacing to hardware.

Playing most games inside of a pc emulator is going to be nearly impossible due to poor performance.

As far as being slow there have been great leaps in performance in WineX as far as games are concerned. As Wine continues to evolve it's performance should be able to get pretty darn close to that of windows and even now you'll hear of people getting equivalent or higher fps in Half-life under wine than under windows.

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169356)

Althon XP 1700+.
I have NEVER had a speed problem inside a VM.
(of course, I have to bump the resolution to 800x600 for alot of things, instead of 1280x1024...)

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169215)

Wine is not a virtual machine. It is a reimplimentaion of the Windows APIs. It doesn't emulate PC hardware. It uses the local x86 processor to run the Windows binary, looking for calls to the Windows API and then translates that call into something approate for the local machine.

Maybe now you understand why performance and compatibility is so poor? Really in some cases the Windows applications run faster under Wine than Windows, but that isn't always true.

Virtual PC on the other hand actually emulates a all the PC hardware. Then a copy of Windows runs on that emulated hardware. Totally different from what Wine is doing. The reason it is slow is the emulated video card may not have 3D support so all DirectX stuff gets software rendered.

Wine actually does it's best to impliment the Direct3D calls as OpenGL calls.

Re:WINE and other PC virtual machines (2)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169238)

Wine is not a virtual machine. It is a library that translates Win32 calls to native Linux calls. VMWare is a virtual machine- A PC Emulator for the PC. Virtual PC is an x86 PC Emulator for the Mac.

Reflections of a Transgendered Cow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169159)

Big Tex was the prize bull on Mr. Tucker's ranch, having won the
blue ribbon at many a state fairground. He was a incredibly large hunk
of rippling muscle that would have sent even the most fearless rodeo
cowboys running in fear. Mr. Tucker made sure that Big Tex sired many
calves on his ranch, and kept hoping for more prize cattle. But none
matched Big Tex's power, appearance, or assertive nature. Yes, he was
the king of the ranch.
Unknown to Mr. Tucker, though, Big Tex also possessed a very keen
mind. Big Tex knew that he was something special...the stud of the
cattle...and used his reputation to have his way with any cow he came
across, often brutally forcing his way upon the female beasts.
One day, while maneuvering his massive, dark brown bovine body
across a field at the ranch, Big Tex noticed an especially alluring cow
named Sue Bell chewing her cud seductively beside a tree.
"I've never conquered Sue Bell," Big Tex thought to himself, as
his pace quickened in the direction of the tree.
Sue Bell, raising her large eyes toward the oncoming and excited
bull, immediately turned and began to march away.
"She can't escape me that easily," Big Tex thought, as he closed
the distance in a steady gallop, her reddish coloring making him all the
more aggressive.
Big Tex finally reached Sue Bell and rared up on his hind legs onto
her back, prepared to make the frightened cow his latest in a long line
of conquests.

Suddenly... all went black for an instant, and Big Tex found
himself lying down in a pile of hay in a barn. Looking around, he did
not recognize his surroundings.
"What happened? This place doesn't look familiar," he thought as he
gazed around.
Climbing to his feet, Big Tex realized that his body felt wrong.
He was shorter than normal, and he could see that his body was now milky
white with at least one black spot on one of his legs.
His legs! His legs were now much less muscular, and he felt
generally weaker all over.
He was shocked and involuntarily let out a loud "Moo".
"What's wrong with my voice! It's never sounded so high pitched
and delicate."
All of a sudden Big Tex felt an unfamiliar movement just below his
belly.
"Udders!!!I have udders!!!" his mind screamed in revulsion.
Spying an old mirror laying against a wall of the barn, Big Tex
trotted over, noticing a strange sway in his rear parts as he walked.
He also noticed that something seemed to be missing from between
his hind legs.
"It can't be missing!" he thought in horror. "What I think has
happened, couldn't have happened!"
Big Tex reached the mirror and almost regurgitated some cud when he
saw the image reflected back at him. A cow! A VERY female cow was
staring back at him.
She/he had long lashes highlighting big delicate eyes. He could
see the large mammary sack hanging underneath him with the very obvious
udders poking downward. And, of course, the very heart and soul of the
prized bull was missing, replaced by the very female part of the cow
anatomy that he coveted so much. But he didn't covet it in this way!
"I can't be a cow," he thought. "I'm a bull! I've got to change
back somehow."
Just then a large man walked into the barn carrying a bucket. He
was obviously a farmhand. He grabbed a stool from the corner and pulled
it up next to Big Tex in his sleak new cow body.
"Oh no!" Big Tex thought. "I know what he has in mind, and I can't
go through with it."
The bull/cow started to lunge away, which angered the man, who
proceeded to steer Big Tex into a cramped stall.
"In my other male body I could have gotten away from him, but not
in this weak carcass," Big Tex thought.
The man placed the bucket under Big Tex.
"Here it comes," the new cow tensed.
The man grabbed the udders and began pulling on them. Big Tex was
surprised by the sensation as his udders stiffened under the caress of
the man's hand.
"Hey, this feels kind of good," Big Tex thought. The sound of the
warm milk hitting the metal bucket made the experience even more
pleasant for Big Tex.
"Maybe I could live like this, for awhile at least."

Six months later, Big Tex found that he did enjoy being "one of the
cows" as they huddled together in the fields munching grass. He also
found that he liked the attention he received from the bulls, and
realized that cows enjoy mating much more than bulls, something he would
have never dreamed.
Finally, Big Tex found himself to be the proud mother of a strong
young calf, possibly the future stud of the ranch.
He could not imagine ever going back to being a bull.
Life was udderly delightful!

Re:Reflections of a Transgendered Cow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169176)

I am taking a nice big shit whilst reading this. I'm also trying really hard not to eat my shit. Ooo. oh boy. How sad. Would you care to lick my creamy bartorks? My testicle piercing is starting to itch. I truly hope I won't accidentally tear them off. Its times like this when I truly feel like grabbing my dick fuzz in one hand, and ripping it all out at one go. Doesn't that make you wheeze? Ooo! oh no. There goes the dinner plate. What dinner plate you say? Oh. I don't think you're ready for that. Care to taste my salty and wrinkled shit-encrusted ballsack? Why yes, I do enjoy crapping my pants and squishing it by sitting down and gyrating my sexy hips.

Ooo.
oh no.

Re:Reflections of a Transgendered Cow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169203)

truly enlightening, my dear fellow shit-eater. its wierd shitting out shit that has been shitted out a few times already. to say i have bad breath is an understatement. you know what i love to do? i like to smear shit all over my keyboard so everytime i type my hands get covered with sticky and gooey brown crap and the smell wafts all over the room as my fellow shit-eating linux hippy sucks on my open-source man stick with a mouth full of shit. oh yes i do enjoy fucking turds. i get horny just looking at stinky unflushed turds in public loos. i truly enjoy compiling kernels with my shit filled keyboard and now i'm smearing shit all over my monitor. KDE looks so much better with brown goo covering the interface.

until we meet again lover, don't burp! i'll shit my pants if you do, not that its a bad thing. hmm. i love you too.

Re:Reflections of a Transgendered Cow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169220)

Keep going!

Stuff like this is why I keep reading Slashdot at -1! Much more funny than the actual articles and the posts by +5 Insightful mental masturbators.

Re:Reflections of a Transgendered Cow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169325)

i will honey! :) i so very much love you. would you like me to tell you a bedtime porn story?

ok i will.

i woke up yesterday with a lumpy sensation in my sexy ass. i knew i had to take a shit. oh yes i knew i did but what i wanted was the opposite. i walked to the toilet to do my morning routine, if indeed what i did could be considered routine! :)

you see, my toilet has no toilet bowl. just a shower tray and a pail! so you must be wondering where i get my water from and how i shower. i recycle of course!

by this time the nigger in my ass was banging on my ass door demanding to be let out and i consented with a sigh. i cupped my hands under my ass and relaxed my spinchter and i let the smelly nigger squirm out into my inviting hands. oh this was getting me mighty horny! i took the shit and plopped it on my face and i let the brown and sticky nigger turds slide slowly down my double chinned throat and onto my smelly and sticky man-tits with the saucer-sized nipples. oh the sensation and smell was killing me! i so very much wanted to eat it but i would save that for later. more niggers were trying to get out!

i dragged the much-used pail over and released my shipload of smuggled nigger slaves into the port. oh the size of those turds! i had been saving them up for a week mind you...i had never seen so much shit in my life! i released my bladder and the stinky yellow mountain dew gave the dirty niggers a good shower and the combined smell was overpowering! i so very much wanted to stick my totempole of throbbing and pulsating manhood which i had just recently installed the latex version of linux (with the kernel compared with my own balls! am i proud of that! compiled my own kernel! oh boy!) and feel the warmness of my own shit.

finally push came to shove and probe came to thrust and i jammed the full 20 inches of my purple open source apache 2.0 totem pole into the mess of unwashed niggers and i fucked it for all i had! i could feel the corn and see the shreds of veggie in my turds and i knew they loved it! the friction and warmness was exquisite and i came and came and came and came, my BSD balls serving every hit with a load of creamy html cum.

now for the grand finale. i stood in the shower tray (which had no shower) and i revelled in the glory of what was about to happen. i had to make it last as long as possible until my next cleansing! i lifted the pail to chest-height, closed my eyes, put the pail to my lips, and i drank the essence of myself. but just a bit, mind you. without much ado, i lifted the pail higher, and dumped the entire pail full of squirming open-source niggers and dumped it over my head and the sticking, gooey, beef stew poured over all 300 pounds of me. i lapped up as much of it as i could, knowing how much the people i was visiting later would like it.

well, to cut things short i was the star of the ball, so to speak when i attended the next OSDN conference still covered with shit and wearing an undersized lace teddy with mary janes. everyone was drooling over me and linus torvalds himself later tied me up in the bathroom and took a shit on me! oh i was soooooooooo touched i tell you. yesterday, was indeed a day which will live in infamy. god bless. i wish jesus would take a shit on me himself. *sniffle*

First stumbling-to-the-bathroom-to-vomit post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169169)

I enjoy Slashdot and Penny Arcade and find them both entertaining, topical and interesting.

Short Term (3, Insightful)

den_erpel (140080) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169173)


I actually am pretty biassed towards WineX. OK, in the short term, it will help a number of people that are running Linux and want to play a particular game.

Unfortunately, WineX will in the long term halt or slow down development of games running native in Linux. Why would a gaming company put money in porting it, Linux users _can_ play their game.

The skills of the people running Linux might well be their undoing, ...

Mainly for this reason, I mainly buy _linux_ native games (Quake 1 and 3 and Kohan). Unfortunately, ID decided not to release a Linux version of Wolfenstein anymore, but the binary was downloadable from the net (unfortunately or fortnutely, one needed the wine to run the Windows-only installer from the CD).

Biassed?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169246)

I actually am pretty biassed towards WineX

Is that like bilingual but referring to two asses instead? How do you like being biassed?

Re:Short Term (3, Insightful)

WolfWithoutAClause (162946) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169278)

Unfortunately, WineX will in the long term halt or slow down development of games running native in Linux. Why would a gaming company put money in porting it, Linux users _can_ play their game.

No. I disagree. One point you've missed which dominates, which Microsoft most definitely have not missed is that a lot of people get the OS that can play their games. They won't install an OS that cannot play their games.

The more Linux can play the same games that Windows can play, the more people will install it on the desktop. The more installations there are, the more incentive there is for people to write games to run under it, or solely under it.

Besides, even if every game ever only runs under Wine, you shouldn't forget we're leaving the stage where performance is the most critical part of a system. I've seen the benchmarks with 200+ frames per second under Quake III on the current top end systems, minor percentage differences in performance are going to be far less relevant from here on in. Working/not working is always relevant though.

Re:Short Term (2)

jandrese (485) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169312)

Interesting then that many (admittedly old) games no longer run under Win2k/xp. In fact if you're hankering for a fix of Commander Keen, Scorched Earth, or any of the other old DOS classics you're prtty much SOL unless you still have an old Win9x or earlier parition hanging around and you don't have any important unsupported hardware (sound cards!) in your system. I've known people who keep old DOS boxes around (486s or early Pentiums) just to play old games.

Re:Short Term (2)

Quarters (18322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169365)

You seem to be forgetting the fact that the majority of developers are not porting and do not have plans to port their games to Linux.

So, you can remain on your moral high-horse and only play Linux native games. Or, you can use Wine-X and have access to many more games than will ever be ported to Linux.

It's a choice between an advocacy that most people don't understand or access to the majority of computer entertainment available. Take your pick.

Combat Flight Simulator? (2)

JThaddeus (531998) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169181)

What about running MS "Combat Flight Simulator"? I found getting all my drivers just right was the very devil before CFS2 would run.

And, IMHO, CFS/CFS2 is the only reason to run Windows, period! (Although my son would add "Medal of Honor" and "Silent Hunter II").

Hatin' Wine (1, Insightful)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169187)

I've been tryin for months to get my wine install to do anything but shut down after a command line is entered. I'll stick with dual boot till games are released for Linux.

Black and White on Linux??? (5, Funny)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169190)

Sheesh, I can't even get the damn thing to run on WinXP and they've got it on Linux!!! What's next, Linux on my Playstation???

Re:Black and White on Linux??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169226)

actually, you can run linux on your playstation 2, as well as netbsd. you have to get them direct from sony, though.

Re:Black and White on Linux??? (1)

Gn0M3KInG (592302) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169322)

Yeah...costs about 200$$, but it's pretty damn worth it, you get a network adapter, 10G hard drive, 2 CDs with linux on it (1 might be linux and something else...don't recall), usb keyboard and mouse and maybe something else I'm missing... You can check out the pages here: Linux for Playstation [playstation2-linux.com]. As far as I'm concerned, for the hardware you're getting, it's damn worth it. You'd prolly spend that much buying the individual pieces anyways!! I've wanted one as soon as it was released...gonna have to talk to someone about possible Christmas gifts!! ;)

Re:Black and White on Linux??? (1)

den_erpel (140080) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169304)

actually yes :)

my girl-friend is going to work on that (at least, having Mozilla run on the PS/2 running Linux), I believe.

As far as I understood it, the versions are not really gaming-minded yet (2.2.1 kernel, 3.3.6 XFree86), but with some luck, you might be playing B&w on a PS/2 running Linux, under winex emulating Windows >:) instead of rebooting the thing to PS/2-OS or whatever it is running normally...

WineX is nVidia only? (1)

Lev_Arris (60782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169193)

I've tried WineX on my system and apart from being able to run the installers of the games it didn't help much. I managed to run Wing Commander Prophecy ... in software mode! All other games just didn't start or halted the entire system while trying.

I've read their FAQs and it seems they don't support anything but nVidia cards so as far as I can see I'm screwed with my Matrox G400. (And probably that also applies to my future Radeon 9700)

To me, WineX is a step in the right direction, but it's still far away from making games playable without me having to dual boot to my old Win98.

Re:WineX is nVidia only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169230)

Did you install OpenGL?!(if 3d works like crap then probably not) If not, go to mesa3d.sourceforge.net. I believe they have the drivers you might need.

Sander

Re:WineX is nVidia only? (1)

Lev_Arris (60782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169350)

Yes I did and stuff that runs native (like Unreal Tournament) is working fine so I don't assume it's that.

The thing is: It doesn't work at all. Any games that require 3D just hang or fail with different errors. (Freespace II complains that you cannot launch it directly and when trying a start with the game's autorun launcher nothing happens)

I'll try and see whether it works better in a few months because I must admit that my current PC isn't up to todays standards any more. (Especially the G400)

Re:WineX is nVidia only? (2, Informative)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169344)

How much did you pay for that game? You can get an old TNT2 , 32 Meg card for less than $50. I paid twenty dollars for mine. The Matrox G400 can only be used with open source drivers. The reason you need NVIDIA is they have released drivers for linux. Even a GForce 4 won't play Heavy Gear, Quake III or many of the other loki titles without the commercial drivers. Make it known to other companies that you will only use NVIDIA hardware until the situation changes. I'm eventually going to buy a GForce card but haven't had a reason since all the games I currently play work great. I can run run Grand Theft Auto 3 in linux under winex, but it is unplayable under windows. The game lists a GForce card as the minimum. But that's really only true in direct x 8 on windows.

Slashdotted already?!? (1)

HimalayanRoadblock (601900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169202)

Is that link slashdotted already is is it just me? I'm running Mozilla and I can't even connect to www.linuxorbit.com. Says connection refused.

Out of RAM Re:Slashdotted already?!? (1, Offtopic)

kesuki (321456) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169258)

Yes
"Warning: Can't create a new thread (errno 11). If you are not out of available memory, you can consult the manual for a possible OS-dependent bug in / home/orbitftp/www/pages/pnadodb/adodb-mysql.inc.ph p on line 105

Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Can't create a new thread (errno 11). If you are not out of available memory, you can consult the manual for a possible OS-dependent bug in /home/orbitftp/www/pages/pnadodb/adodb-mysql.inc.p hp on line 105
Error connecting to dblonew
Program: /home/orbitftp/www/pages/mainfile2.php - Line N.: 82
Database: lonew
Error (1135) :"
Remember, You can NEVER have too much RAM, especially if you're going to submit an article to your site to slashdot.

.NET Gaming (2)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169212)

Hey, does anyone know if .NET is going to eventually encompass new versions of DirectX?

That would be sweet - assuming other implementations (Mono, etc) could implement, I wouldn't be "stuck" on a windows box anymore... the sad thing is, Windows 2000/xp is actually decent enough that I don't mind anymore...

Course, I don't plan on gaming on the PC anymore - consoles are more fun now that I actually work in front of a PC all day. When I get home, I'd rather fire up the gamecube these days.

Re:.NET Gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169253)

Yes, DirectX 9 (due this fall) will use managed code. That's Microsoftese for being .Net-based.

WineX as porting platform? (1)

gooofy (548515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169235)

Maybe in the future wine(X) can serve as a porting platform?

For companies who don't have the resources to come up with a true gnu/linux port of their software (yet) this could be a possibility. They'd simply test their games/applications against wine and try to avoid windows api calls that do not work properly in wine(x) and thus have a gnu/linux port without much effort.

Of course, a native port and free software is much better, but anyway this could also lead to more software running on the gnu platform.

There are in fact already some existing examples for this, e.g. xilinx is offering their eda software for the gnu/linux platform using wine and i've heard of a german company producing tax software for gnu/linux which is also wine-based.

Re:WineX as porting platform? (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169286)

Corel put a lot of work into Wine for a bit to get Word Perfect Suite ported this way.

Then their interest in Linux faded.

I still have an unopened box of Corel Linux.

What about the fps?!? (1)

Mister_Personality (578435) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169236)

WineX + Starcraft at 8fps redefines "fog of war". It's one thing to make the games run. It's another to make them actually playable. Then again... the fps deal makes for a great excuse as I'm running my career record to 12-213-2. ph33r ^^3!!111

From the point of view of a WINE developer (1, Interesting)

isolation (15058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169245)

First off, I work on WINE everyday and Transgaming has done one thing to hurt WINE and OpenSource Windows Development. They have taken the fun out of WINE DirectX development. One of the two people the wrote the initial WINE directx support put it best when he told Gav, "It used to be fun".

I work on the Mingw port to Microsoft Windows so as to adapt WINE to ReactOS so I understand why OSS developers do it. Alot of it has to do with the M$ monopoly but for the most part people write code because they enjoy it and they want to share the fun. "Hey look I can now play StarCraft with WINE under linux. They were cheap bastards and wouldnt do a linux port so hah". Now its all about the money.

Thanks Transgaming you've taken the fun out of it. I guess you idea IS working.

An odd list, doncha think? (1)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169247)

Why is it that they give only titles for obscure games like Dungeon Keeper 2, Populous the Beginning, and Fallout 2 (none of which received very good sales and are among the more obscure gaming titles) but they explicitly state that LinksLS 1998 is a golfing simulation? Links is the most popular golfing game out there, with Links 2003 due out in a month or so?

It just struck me as odd, that's all...

Re:An odd list, doncha think? (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169306)

...and Might and Magic 6? I can understand why they didn't try the latest release, what is it 9 now? It is just so bad. I guess 6 was the first one to be an Windows application. Still IV and V were my favorite (installed at the same time of course).

Wine is illegal (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169251)

Just as illegal as that rip-off of a Cisco product mentioned on Slashdot earlier today.

Just because you might not like Microsoft for being a monopoly, and just because they maintain that position by acting illegally, does not grant anybody a right to rip off their work.

The Windows APIs represent a lot of work, (yes, I know, they are flawed, rubbish, etc, I am not denying that in the slightest), but if Microsoft wanted to they could completely crush the Wine developers in court.

The Wine project started as a *loader* for Windows binaries, to help porting programs over to Linux. What it has become is just an attempt to replace the Windows APIs with versions written from scratch, and - here's the important bit - bundle them all together so that they are a free alternative to Windows.

Doesn't that *SOUND* illegal to you? Hello, wake up, that's because it IS in most countries.

I suspect that the only reason Microsoft are ignoring it, (at the moment), is because they could use it as a *DEFENSE* in court, just by saying, 'Monopoly? Huh? Loads of people are ripping off our work, and we've just ignored them, despite the fact we know about it, that is hardly the way a monopoly would react, duh.'.

Don't you see that by continuing with the Wine project you are just making the situation worse? Back in the Windows 3.1 days, the goal might even have been achievable anyway, but now it isn't - the APIs are so wrapped up with the OSs' internal structures you will never get it working anywhere near the point where it would be anything more than laughable.

Yeah, yeah, some programs run. I could make a machine that would play chess with me and always win, as long as I always played in a certain way. Big deal. You can always write an emulator to run one particular program.

So, basically, the Wine developers are:

* Acting illegally
* Fueling Microsoft's legal defence
* Bickering amoungst themselves about licensing
* Trying to achieve a near impossible goal
* Lessening the desire to promote Linux on non-i386 hardware, (which is one of the most interesting features of Linux)

So, just what is the point?

Sorry that this sounds like one massive rant, and I know that I am going to get flamed for it, but at the end of the day, you know I am right - you just don't like hearing it. Technically, the idea of re-implementing the Windows APIs is an interesting one, but any emulator is interesting from a technical point of view.

Re:Wine is illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169266)

English, MOTHERFUCKER, do you SPEAK IT?!!

Re:Wine is illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169332)

Err, yes I do speak English, very well thanks, and I am well respected for speaking English correctly.

What is your point? You don't like the fact that Wine is illegal? Tough, it is.

Or have I made a typo/spelin mistayk. Oh dear, I am terribly sorry. I am only human you know.

I am glad that you posted an informative, and intellegent reply to my post, though, I expect you'll get modded up to +5 informative in a second...

Re:Wine is illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169335)

Wow with such an argument like "Doesn't that *SOUND* illegal to you?" I stagger at your logic. First I'm guessing you are not a lawyer.

1st thing, WINE is called a clean-room reverse engineering, which is illegal, because it uses none of Microsoft's intellectual property to produce

2nd Microsoft is very familiar with WINE, they mentioned it during their Anti Trust hearing as an example of how application compatibilty can be achieved on non microsoft systems.

I've used it pretty extensively, it's cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4169294)

I found the following games work very well:

o Half-Life (Single Player)
o Warcraft II BNE
o Fallout / Fallout2
o Unreal Gold [codeweavers.com] (some hacking required)
o SimEarth
o Hexen II [codeweavers.com]

Installing is often a problem. Sometimes you need to boot to windows, intstall, then copy the whole tree over to linux. Often it is useful to start X in 640x480 mode as well.

My experiences are with vanilla CVS Wine. TransGaming won't accept my debit card, so I haven't subscribed (would like to though).

If only Serious Sam I and II would get supported, my life would be complete! Or maybe [icculus.org]
icculus will finish his port someday.

Also, you can now play Hexen II using Anvil of Thyrion [linuxgames.com] which is a native linux client.

Wine and the alternative ports of it (0)

2000 Britneys (549923) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169300)

work pretty good IMHO
I recently tried the wine, wineX and crossover office.
This is what I found out: Crossover office works fine with MS Office, Exploder and Outlook Express. However, it doesn't work well, if at all with accounting, taxation and game software.

WineX with compiled OpenGL support, works fine. I mean, I haven't tried anything other that Half-life and Day of Defeat, but it works fine with those two game titles. I also tried CS but it didn't work.

Wine supports some of the software but it is way to difficult to use for me ( I am accountant and not a software hacker).

The two games that I have used are just as responsive as their windows installs. And no, I am using the WineX built in dlls and not the MS Windows dlls.

True Linux Gaming (4, Interesting)

RailGunner (554645) | more than 11 years ago | (#4169301)

WineX is a very well done piece of technology, but I have to agree with an earlier post that said that if WineX really takes off, that there won't be any reason to port / develop games for Linux. For the short term, it's great. For long term, it's not enough. Companies want to sell as many copies of their games as possible, and the best way to do that is to target the vast majority of users, who unfortunately at this point are running a flavor of Windows.

The way I see it, one or both of the following scenarios needs to happen before we see a lot of Linux games - and we'll see more Linux games as the installed base gets larger.

Scenario 1: AOL/Linux. Seriously. As soon as the millions of AOL sheep get a new version of AOL that uses Linux, many of them will switch. There's countless numbers of people who buy the latest "whiz-bang" PC and all they use it for is Web / Email, and maybe an occasional game. The Operating System to them is irrelevant, they just want to email their friends and family. Many of them already think that they're just running AOL, and that AOL = internet. The game market for this crowd isn't as large as it could be, but it still changes the "numbers" of the installed base.

Scenario 2: The next killer game is Linux only. What would happen if say... Doom 3, or something similar, was Linux only? And what would happen if in the box with the game, was a Linux distribution? Given that I have an installation of Windows 98SE to play games on at home, how many people would be willing to install Linux in order to play Doom 3? I'd suggest there would be a lot. Or, what about a Linux Distro that just booted from CD, effectively treating your PC like a high powered console when you want to play a game?

Once one or both of these happens, then the installed user base gets larger and companies are going to be willing to eat the up front development costs to produce a game. And there will be a cost, as not every Windows developer has ever run g++ to build something, but in the long run it becomes much cheaper to develop on Linux then it does paying the MS tax over and over again. Even if Linux can get 40% of home users, then companies will be willing to develop native games. And then, WineX will be around to support old games, while the new stuff will run natively.

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