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Real-Time Testing of China's Internet Filters

chrisd posted more than 11 years ago | from the but-do-they-block-wigu dept.

Censorship 253

mrbnsn writes "The Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School is conducting a study of Internet filtering in countries worldwide. As part of this study, they have put up a web page where you can get a real-time report on whether any URL you submit is blocked by the Great Firewall. Check whether you'd be able to read your favorite web sites in Beijing!" I've also heard that there are some "western" hotels that have non-blocked connections. Anyone from China care to tell us what it's like?

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253 comments

ROC (1)

uberchicken (121048) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175698)

Oooo so close... I'm in Taiwan, could have been a really relevant (first) post...

Ah-soo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175699)

I doubt the government would allow non-blocked connections. Otherwise you'd see 2 billion chinese packed into the Hilton every day :)

Re:Ah-soo.... (1)

rodac (580415) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175796)

No you would not. A pretty standard western business hotel in Shanghaij goes for ~300USD per night. Thats a single room at a basic business hotel. If you want the better rooms/hotels, well, then its gonna cost a lot more. They did sure get the hang of this capitalims idea pretty quickly.

Re:Ah-soo.... (1)

SavingPrivateNawak (563767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175997)

Anyone from China care to tell us what it's like?

Maybe 'dare' would fit better than 'care'

Deport ALL mexicans (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175700)

Because mexican wetbacks are ALL losers that commit crime, spraypaint neighborhoods, and do nothing but steal welfare money and add to the popuplation pollution!

The humanity! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175701)

Its for your own good, I mean, good citizens only want to view things like Aunt May's puppy page right? Who would possibly want to view anything 'objectionable'? Criminals, thats who!

heh.

And so begins... (3, Funny)

Nailer (69468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175703)

...the downfall of Chinese civilisation:

Testing complete for http://www.stileproject.com. Result:
Reported as accessible in China


Re:And so begins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175713)

> Tired of random user bans,uninformed editors,and unfair moderatation? Me too.

No, but I am tired of the consistently SHITTY spelling in the articles and comments.

Actually... (5, Informative)

olesk (211973) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175716)

...it depends. I was in China recently, visiting an old friend who lives there. He signed a document saying he was officially a foreigner and suddenly got CNN on his cable. Seems you can get away from most of it by not being Chinese, even in China.

I prodded the "Great Firewall" when I was there, and realized some sites were cut off, like the CNN. Besides Yahoo and some other sites have tailor made pages for the Chinese. I made a SSH-tunnel back home to god old Norway though (no restrictions on protocols/ports it seemed, only some IP-adresses), so I had no problems. I don't think it would be much of an obstacle for most slashdotters :)

Re:Actually... (3, Informative)

doop (57132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175732)

I visited China very recently (to attend a conference [dsfd2002-fudan.com] which was being held there), and stayed in a pretty Westernized [orientaltravel.com.hk]
hotel with internet access.

slashdot [slashdot.org] was accessible, as was google [google.com] , which IIRC was even nice enough to talk to me in the appropriate language [google.com] . Some bits of yahoo.com [yahoo.com] were accessible, but not the webmail or news. CNN [cnn.com] and BBC News [bbc.co.uk] were both blocked, as were quite a few other news sites, and unsurprising things like Amnesty international [amnesty.org] .

I say blocked, but what I mean is that when I tried to access these sites, the connections would always just time out while others were fine. I can't remember what happened when I tried to ping them.

I had no trouble downloading an SSH client and using it to connect back home.

Re:Actually... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175745)

Jesus christ enough with the fucking urls you nigger... yes I know yahoo has a webpage...

Re:Actually... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175788)

Jesus christ enough with the fucking urls you nigger... yes I know yahoo has a webpage...

I laughed at that. It would have been really funny if you didn't resort to racial slurs. But funny shit indeed.

Re:Actually... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175876)

Holy Cow enough with the fscking urls you lame-I-want-5-for-insightful moron... yes I know yahoo has a webpage...

Sanitized for a Funny!

Re:And so begins... (3, Informative)

Raetsel (34442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175728)


  • Starting testing...

  • Stage one testing complete.
    Stage two testing complete.

    Testing complete for http://google.com. Result:
    Reported as inaccessible in China

Great. All the sleaze you want, but one of the premier search engines is off limits. Decline of civilization indeed -- perhaps the result will create an interesting test case for future anthropology and psych students.

Re:And so begins... (2)

spongman (182339) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175887)

no shit! google has to be one of the most useful things on the internet, and the internet is arguable one of the most useful things around today. tools for tool users. evolution for those monkeys that can.

Poor bastards.

Re:And so begins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175797)

Slashdot.org is blocked, but not Everything2.com.

I can't decide whether that's weird or not.

www.google.com? (0)

Repran (560270) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175707)

Testing complete for http://www.google.com. Result: Reported as inaccessible in China Oh shit - I knew it... this must me new though cause yesterday I worked.

Won't be long (1)

r6144 (544027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175866)

Google is quite well known in China --- my mother and her friends use it as the sole search engine (except on some campus machines where nothing outside China is accessible). If it gets blocked, people will notice it quickly.

But... it is blocked now (or slashdotted, which is less probable)... maybe slashdot shouldn't have posted this story in the first place...

slashdot is blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175709)

slashdot is blocked in chaina apparently

Re:slashdot is blocked (1)

mcpkaaos (449561) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175740)

Well, that would certainly make it difficult for people in China to tell us what it's like, eh chris? :)

--
[McP]KAAOS

Re:slashdot is blocked (0, Redundant)

Genyin (415163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175764)

slashdot is blocked in chaina apparently

No it isn't.

Re:slashdot is blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175805)

Not when tested from Korea. Wonder why the varied results....and why/if where you test from matters? Sounds like a hoax site in the works to me.

It would also be interesting to post results... (2)

afflatus_com (121694) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175710)

on the percentage success that peek-a-booty [peekabooty.org] can get around a random sample of these Chinese-government blocked URLs. It would be interesting report to read, if anyone who has the capacity or people connections to can get some good effectiveness data.

And how can we stop this? (3, Insightful)

Lady Blue (134902) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175712)

What I want to know is how we, the coder community, can help people in China get around the site filters! I know there's one research project underway with proxy servers, but it'd be great if someone could come up with a cheap and easy hack that solves this. Any ideas?

list of blocked (2)

nexex (256614) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175717)

no one IN china will be able to tell us, slashdot is on the list of known blocked sites.

http://code.law.harvard.edu/filtering/list.html

wrong (2)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175735)

Starting testing...
Stage one testing complete.
Stage two testing complete.

Testing complete for http://slashdot.org. Result:
Reported as accessible in China

Slashdot is accessible apparently

Re:wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175744)

Certainly wrong, i've just returned from China and Slashdot could be reached from there. News.bcc.co.uk was the only site that i couldn't reach.

Re:wrong (5, Informative)

billbaggins (156118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175986)

From the front page...

http://slashdot.org - Reported as inaccessible in China
http://www.slashdot.org - Reported as accessible in China

Throw your result in (slashdot.org accessible), and what we get is either a filter on the fritz, or else this tester still has some bugs to be worked out of it. According to the FAQ, China's filter is based on IP address. Does slashdot's homepage have multiple IPs? (sorry, too lazy to check).

For whatever it's worth, it seems that Saudi Arabia is not known to block slashdot [harvard.edu] .

Re:list of blocked (1)

killenheladagen (461470) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175739)

Either the list of blocked sites is flawed or the test is. Or maybe they switched the filter off.

When I ran the test for slashdot.org [harvard.edu] I got the result:

Testing complete for http://slashdot.org. Result: Reported as accessible in China

Re:list of blocked (1)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175754)

no one IN china will be able to tell us, slashdot is on the list of known blocked sites.
http://code.law.harvard.edu/filtering/list .html


Uhh, no. That's just a list of sites. Eventhough it says something in effect of "these are blocked", it's probably a typo. I don't believe China would have the balls to block Sourceforge and OSDN.

How do I know that's a stupid list? Look at this entry below:

http://www.FIRSTPOST.com - 8/31/2002 7:13:36


Maybe Chinese hate people who post "First Post" and are trying to reduce spam? Who knows.

Re:list of blocked (2)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175798)

I don't believe China would have the balls to block Sourceforge and OSDN.
Huh? What does that mean? Why would this take "balls"?

Anyway...

Re:list of blocked (3, Funny)

billbaggins (156118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4176001)

I don't believe China would have the balls to block Sourceforge and OSDN.
Huh? What does that mean? Why would this take "balls"?
Y'see, whenever someone in China opens up a pipe to a blocked site, they have to run over really fast and stuff a ball in one end of the pipe so that the information can't get through. They can retrieve the ball after a timeout convinces the browser that the site doesn't exist, but if a site is really popular and a lot of people request it in a short time, they can actually run out of balls to stuff in pipes, the firewall breaks down, and they all burn to death. So they have to be very careful which sites they block.

The Real Point (3, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175718)

The idea that the great firewall of China will protect the communist party is farcical. As with any wall it can do nothing against the threat that comes from inside the country.

Of course in the mind of lunatic GOP nationalists nobody in the world outside of the US ever had an idea about freedom or human rights. But the Berlin wall failled and so will the great firewall.

The criticism that will bring down the communist party is local. That is why they are so afraid of an AIDS activist who described how careless officials spread AIDS to whole villiages collecting blood plasma.

Outside comment can play a useful role but politicians who agrandize themselves by claiming to have brought down communism in other countries are largely hot air bags.

Re:The Real Point (2)

nexex (256614) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175729)

Hmm, wasn't it Pres Reagan who said, "...tear down this wall!" Besides, this has nothing to do with the GOP...

Re:The Real Point (3, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175896)

Hmm, wasn't it Pres Reagan who said, "...tear down this wall!" Besides, this has nothing to do with the GOP...

A speach that went down well in the US but you miss out the start of the phrase, "Mr Gorbachev". Gorbachev did far more to end communism in the USSR than Reagan could.

The Soviet Union collapsed because the Communist party had visibly lost control and Gorbachev was clearly not prepared to reassert it by force. The loss of control began in Poland and spread through Eastern Europe. It was the students from East Germany that tore down the wall, not Gorbachev or Reagan.

If huffing and puffing from US politicians would blow down communist regimes then Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea would have fallen first. Instead they are still standing and it is pretty obvious that the regime is using the external hostility as an excuse.

Cancel the sanctions against Cuba and the regime would be lucky to last more than five years. The right is keen to spend money on broadcast propaganda to attack Cuba but completely ignores the propaganda effect of tourists carrying fat wallets. Of course the Cuba sanctions policy is not about bringing down Fidel and has everything to do with getting votea in Florida so the effectiveness is not exactly the issue.

Please Mod -1: Rambling Idiot (-1, Redundant)

bwoodring (101515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175747)

I don't really have much to say about that

Sure it works? (1)

hyeh (89792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175719)

Are you sure this thing works?

Both http://www.taipeitimes.com and http://www.chinatimes.com.tw are reported as being accessible in China.

Also, I believe it is 4 star and above hotels in China that do not have restrictions on Sattelite TV and Internet access.

Re:Sure it works? (1)

e-gold (36755) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175824)

I believe it does not.

e-gold shows as blocked from the Harvard computers, but either a LOT of Chinese use proxies to get around the blocking, or the filter-tester just doesn't work as they say/think. Chances are good that the Chinese government is big enough to pay for custom censorware, so maybe that explains it.
JMR

Speaking ONLY for myself!!!

Secret fibres HK-macow (1)

throwaway18 (521472) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175720)

Hong Kong is now part of China. I saw a rumour, can't remeber where, that there are secret undersea fibre optic cables running from Hong Kong to Macow to supply corporations with an uncensored internet connection.

Re:Secret fibres HK-macow (2)

odaiwai (31983) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175734)

HK and Macau were both *NOT* part of China for a long time. They're now both Special Administrative Regions and very independent.

I'm in HK and, trust me, there are no restrictions on the internet here.

As for cables to Macau, it would make some sense to run cables across the Pearl Delta from HK (it's not that far) just to avoid going through the Mainland, and because it's a shorter line. It would have been done a long time ago, though, well before Macau was handed back to China.

Macau was only returned to China in 1999, *AFTER* HK (1997), so I can't see any advantage - if there was a crackdown, HK would have been first.

Some of the sites on the 'inaccessible' list were for pro-Taiwan HK newspapers, so sites in one part of China are blocked from the main part.

ah-wai

Gotta have them whores.. (1)

meff (170550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175721)

Testing complete for http://www.camwhores.com. Result:
Reported as accessible in China

Whoohoo!

Apparently stileproject works too.. lol.

Internet in China Rocks (0)

Quarkness (48056) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175722)

I just got back from China. I've stayed three weeks in a hotel in shanghai with unlimited internet access in the room. The only website that was blocked (not in the dns) was www.cnn.com. europe.cnn.com and asia.cnn.com worked just fine. The speed was incredible.
The next three weeks I travelled around the country (Chongqing, Chengdu, Xi'an, Beijing and more). At most of the internet bars I could watch the dutch news full screen at very high quaulity, something I'm not able to do with my cable modem at home. The highest download speed I got was 450 Kbytes/sec. (from messenger.microsoft.com of all places)
At some places they do have filters, I was reading a newspaper online that had an article about porn, that article was blocked.
The places I mentioned were public internet bars cramped with Chinese people. Most of them were playing online games though...

So, if you can live without online porn, internet in china is just fine.

Disable popups on chinese sites, or PORN! (1)

r6144 (544027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175886)

Online porn is officially illegal in China, but many of the ads on Chinese sites (especially local news sites whose funding is scarce) are adult content enough. In some sites, porn is just one click away. A few even put porn^H^H^H^Hadult content links in my Favorites or Desktop (only when using IE, of course). Fortunately only my parents use IE at home now, and they know how to remove those bookmarks manually.

If my government want to do censorship, it should start from the inside. At least few major US or UK sites will link to goatse.cx-alike on the front page.

No sourceforge in China? (2)

micahjd (54824) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175724)

Anyone else notice that http://sourceforge.net is blocked? I've had Chinese developers asking me to mirror documentation on my sourceforge-hosted site because it was blocked.

Re:No sourceforge in China? (2)

athmanb (100367) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175814)

Probably because of the subversive downloads hosted by sourceforge like some gnutella and freenet clients.

Re:No sourceforge in China? (2)

spongman (182339) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175898)

ironic, isn't it, that a country with such a poor IP record as Chin should be blocking suck things. ho-hum.

Re:No sourceforge in China? (1)

r6144 (544027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175829)

I'm in Shanghai. All project homepages (like speex.sourceforge.net) are blocked. www.sourceforge.net became blocked very recently. Thankfully prdownloads.sf.net and lists.sf.net are still accessible, so I can still download things and read mailing lists (if I can obtain the list names), but not much more.

Google is accessible, so project homepages etc. can still be read via the google cache, but often it is a PITA.

Of course I'm very unhappy about this, and cannot understand why. Maybe it is because of the `forge' in it, maybe they want to prevent IP leakage, or it may just be a mistake that no one cared to report. I want to send some interesting patches to PrBoom, but don't even know where to send them.

Re:No sourceforge in China? (1)

RebelTycoon (584591) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175893)

Figures... They block open-source but not warez!

RIAA/MPAA should look to China as a role model of the American teenager if they keep pissing the "consumer" (I'm not a teen but I'm mad as hell) off.

Up here in Canada, we have succeeded in a 15% decrease in music... Congradulations my fellow Canadians... Are CDs are 50% cheaper and we still pirate more...

Per capita, more broadband, at a cheaper price, but it appears that when Canadians say boycott, more of us carry it out!

Look at what is powering their lookups: (1)

echophase (601838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175726)

218.2.131.246 - - [30/Aug/2002:18:18:43 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1110 "-" "MSIE 5.0b1 ( Windows 98)" Rock on.

Re:Look at what is powering their lookups: (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175763)

IE doesn't even say that - it says "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0, Windows 98)"

It's likely that they just have some perl script that identifies itself as IE.

Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175733)

Starting testing...
Stage one testing complete.
Stage two testing complete.

Testing complete for http://www.snuffx.com. Result:
Reported as accessible in China

no google? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175736)

They block google? I assume because of the cached pages. ug, the internet is just a incoherant mass without google.

Really though, this shouldn't be considered a big deal. It's china's business on how they want to run their country not the rest of the world. Maybe I start critizing china when the u.s. is perfect, till then MYOB!

All SourceForge sites blocked (5, Informative)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175738)

This is the list [harvard.edu] of sites that have been found to be inaccsesible. A lot of them are the expectable human rights (Amnesty etc.), Tibet and Falun Gong stuff, as well as some news media (Yahoo Asia News, CBS News, BBC news, and many US-based China news sites).

Geocities appears to be completely blocked.

The Chinese government doesn't like Playboy or sex.com - hmm, do we see a correlation between repressive government and antisexual morals there? Nah, couldn't be.

I have no idea why they censor {Insert Something Funny} [insertsomethingfunny.com] , an obscure weblog [weblogs.com] , an anti-tobacco group [gasp4air.org] , the Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society [cpawscalgary.org] , Columbia Earthscape [earthscape.org] , or Columbia University [columbia.edu] .

Google is on their shitlist. No surprise given its cache and large index. The Wayback Machine isn't - I'd expect that to change in the long term. Anonymizer is accessible as well.

Peek-A-Booty and Freenet are not accessible, of course. It appears that all SourceForge sites are blocked (unless the testing engine is slashdotted and not working properly, but other sites are reported as accessible). I presume this might be because Freenet is hosted at SourceForge.

Re:All SourceForge sites blocked (1)

Carlos Laviola (127699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175784)

Testing complete for http://www.amnesty.org. Result:
Reported as accessible in China

Re:All SourceForge sites blocked (1)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175799)

Not for me - I get the inaccessibility message. Their testing method is probably unreliable.

Re:All SourceForge sites blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175844)

All the site you claim as being blocked show up as accessble when I test them from Seoul.

Sounds like hype to me that anything is being blocked at all.

Re:All SourceForge sites blocked (3, Funny)

spongman (182339) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175908)

I would have thought that a country that has a 1-child-per-family law would want to encourage the male population to jack off as often as possible.

FreeNet blocked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175741)

It appears that freenet has been blocked (IPv6 tunnelling). For obvious reasons.

I believe that you can still get Freenet from Debian, and that isn't blocked.

I wonder what would happen if people set up IPv6 sites and ask people in China to do 6to4 tunnelling?

The Great Firewall is not that bad. (1)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175743)


Testing complete for http://znet.org. Result:
Reported as accessible in China



Seriously, if Znet/NPR are not blocked in China, I don't see what the big deal is. Either Harvard folks coded that url checker with QBASIC or China is a Great place to live in.

Re:The Great Firewall is not that bad. (1)

tempmpi (233132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175765)

Maybe because there isn't anything interessting to see at znet.org ?

Pr0n not blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175749)

It's quite interesting. I'm a chinese but I can watch pr0n [thehun.net] .

Re:Pr0n not blocked (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175793)

It's quite interesting. I'm a chinese but I can watch pr0n

For fucks sake. Quit saying pr0n. Are you 12y/o? WOW LOOK VAGINA!!!111

Re:Pr0n not blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175904)

Kleenex please...

Does this test actually work? (1)

samoht (101985) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175753)

Having a look at the recent requests on the main page [harvard.edu] I see:

http://slashdot.org - Reported as accessible in China

But on the Inaccessible Sites page [harvard.edu] I see:

# http://slashdot.org - 8/29/2002 11:39:06 AM

Something wrong with the test?

nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175855)

Np, it apparently does not. All the sites I test that others claim are blocked are fine.

The Harvard test is bogus.

Re:nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175899)

Harvard is an institution operated by and for the elite ruling class of america, of course they will spread lies and fud about the only non-western state with potential for wold power status. Harvard has a record of aiding the united states government in intelligence and propoganda work. Just becuase a school is considered "good" (i guess by good most people mean to expensive for working class riff-raff and racist admissions so no pesky africans get into the elite echelon) doesn't mean it won't protect it's place in the ruling elite by any means. Do you know how much defense budget money gets funneled into these elite schools? They will say whatever the masters tell them to say.

Sigh... (1, Offtopic)

Jesus IS the Devil (317662) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175755)

Testing complete for http://www.goatse.cx. Result:
Site not reachable from US testing location. Check URL and web server.


I guess somebody up in the Chinese government got tricked into going over to goatse.cx and got a real scare...

Re:Sigh... (1)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175760)

Testing complete for http://www.goatse.cx

wow. That was original.

You shall now be crowned as the KOMEDY KING of Slashdot.

Re:Sigh... (1)

puckhead (241973) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175810)

Give him a break. It wasn't original or funny but it was neccessary.

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175833)

For a guy who's posting history is as dry as sand, you sure are one picky mofo.

Re:Sigh... (1)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175903)

For a guy who's posting history is as dry as sand, you sure are one picky mofo.

Actually that's not the case. I've been with /. since the early days and witnessed the best and worst throughout...

I try not to linger on one account for long.

Hope that explains it.

Re:Sigh... (1)

Krapangor (533950) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175771)

Site not reachable from US testing location.

I think that means that the Havard Law School has a filter which blocks goatse.
Unfortunately there is no censoring in the US.

Re:Sigh... (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175789)

No, goatse.cx is down.

However, you can still reach it here [hick.org] . The filters do not block this URL.

Extensive testing by worried geeks... (4, Funny)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175756)

Extensive testing by worried geeks has shown that slashdot.org is still accessible from the Chinese part of the Internet. Further tests are scheduled for the next couple of days to make sure it stays.

The horror! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175757)

Now, which country was it that was behind a Great Firewall?

Starting testing...
Stage one testing complete.

Testing complete for http://goatse.cx. Result:
Site not reachable from US testing location.

Re:The horror! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175834)

And you're complaining because...?

Real-Time Testing of MPAA / RIAA filters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175766)

Now when will we have a real-time method of testing MPAA / RIAA's filters?
Anyone interested to study this?
I've also heard that there are still some "eastern" ISPs which do not block P2P applications.

Proof of a repressive society! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175782)

Apparently http://midgetsex.com [midgetsex.com] is a threat to the communist party.

http://www.microsoft.com - Reported as accessible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175783)

They got *that* one right!

No blocking in better hotels (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175800)

I was in Beijing two months ago. Stayed in the Crown Royal. There was a computer in the room, with full time internet and none of the western sites I checked were blocked. CNN International was on TV as usual.

Remember, it's the internet cafes' that are mostly affected (and then not that often), not Hotels were foreignors stay, or massive groups of individual users.

What's the point? (2)

awptic (211411) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175803)

Having an entire coutry filter content is ridiculous.. don't they realise how futile this is against anyone with even the most basic understanding of computers and network? It doesn't take a genious to setup an ssh tunnel to a proxy outside of china, or to do any other number of things that could circumvent the filters. Oh well... that's alot of money down the drain for nothing.

Re:What's the point? (2)

spongman (182339) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175914)

the problem is that if you're intelligent enough to set up such a tunnel, are you willing to rish being shot in the back of the head for doing so?

I'm in China, it's not that bad... (4, Insightful)

pfleisch (128023) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175813)

I just arrived in Dalian, China three weeks ago and I'm going to be here for a year working at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

One of my main fears about coming here was the internet access. I was afraid that they would block any western site that could talk about democracy or badly about China in any way. Could it be possible that I might not be able to, gasp, read slashdot for an entire year? After I got here I found at that isn't the case at all. I can get to Slashdot, CNN, Yahoo, pretty much every site that I use on a regular basis. The only one that really pisses me off is sourceforge. Out of all the sites to block, why the hell did they pick that one? Maybe because they figure that if anyone does find a way to write a piece of software that could get around their firewall, that would probably be one of the first places it would be posted. I can't seem to come up with a better answer. Any ideas?

Anyway, Google is not blocked, and neither is the cache, so if I ever do find a site that I can't get to, I just use Google's cache to get a general idea of what is there.

Also, as far as the blocking of Playboy and other sex sites goes, any country where you can walk into a bar and have two prostitutes sitting on your lap within 5 minutes (no joke) has far more serious moral issues to deal with than a few internet sex sites. Enough said.

Re:I'm in China, it's not that bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175850)

Slashdot bashes america so much, of course they will allow you to read it.

Slashdot isn't so much pro-democracy as it anti-america.

It's the america-sucks-chic man, get with the latest fashion!

Re:I'm in China, it's not that bad... (1)

fluppy88 (473039) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175869)

When I was in China I was glad to see that slashdot.org (about a year ago)wasn't blocked. Neither was the economist.com (which I found strange). But washington post, ny times, la times (and other major papers were blocked. ny times is not blocked now, right? Most of my news I could get from news.yahoo.com so I didn't really have any trouble with news sites, but virtually all free webhosting was blocked, and many universities were blocked as well. i used the Real-Time Testing link to test my old homepage at duke.edu and it said the link worked, but when I was in China the link definitely did not work.

also, it's mostly only the foreigners who have two prostitues sitting on their lap withing 5 minutes. It's because foreigners go to those places and pay for prostitutes, supply meets demand, and an ugly cycle begins. (I never met one chinese person who frequented prostitues. They either couldn't afford it or didn't need one)

What they don't tell you... (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175817)

All sites tested here will be reviewed by party apparatchiks for inclusion in the filters.

This site is nothing but a ploy to collect objectionable websites!

Ok, not really. I just wanted to use 'apparatchiks' in a sentence. Btw, autopr0n [autopr0n.com] isn't filtered! Come on and visit, horny chinamen! (and horny Chinese lesbians too). Coincidentally, there happen to be lots of Asian chicks featured...

Something's not right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175828)

Every site that you guys are saying is blocked is showing as not blocked for me. I'm in Seoul, South Korea and I don't see why it should matter where I test from.

I think the so-called test site is randomly picking sites to tag as blocked.

How accurate is this? (5, Interesting)

chrisbolt (11273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175856)

I just loaded it, and the first thing I saw was:

http://www.shacknews.com - Reported as accessible in China
http://www.slashdot.org - Reported as accessible in China
http://www.slashdot.org - Reported as inaccessible in China

http://www.kuro5hin.org - Reported as accessible in China

hmm...

Re:How accurate is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175922)

the only reason kuro5hin hasn't been blocked is because they blocked: www.kiroshin.org, and then kiro5hen.org, and all the other logical sounding spellings. It will be awhile before they reach the maximum illogical numeral/letter configuration that finally blocks the site.

china (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175861)

China is doing it all wrong.

They should try to adopt more western policies.

For instance, arrest the person running anti-american website and seize the servers as "evidence". Or if someone says negative things about american financial interests i.e. big business, just sue them into oblivion. Then once the pesky dissenters are silenced you let huge media cartels roll in and control everything that the public sees.

This way you still give the illusion of free speech, but no one can really say anything that threatens the ruling class.

China is doing it all wrong.

It is broken... (0)

Chexsum (583832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175874)

From the formbox;

http://www.google.com - Reported as inaccessible in China
http://www.communism.org - Reported as accessible in China
http://www.google.com - Reported as accessible in China

It is obviously broken!

not accurate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175884)

This is just another anti-china propoganda tool.

It reports sites as being blocked which aren't really blocked. This is garbage. China is really the only non-western power that can threaten america and it's allies. Of course this all part of a propoganda war, which slashdot is happy to aid. Just like being against genetically engineered foods is looks like a "Grass roots" movement it's really just a way for the EU rulers to control imports from america. There is constantly this anti-china crap in western media outlets geared towards the tech savvy. Don't buy the hype. The west isn't so free as you think it is, and china isn't so bad as you think it is.

Infrastructure (1)

Boss, Pointy Haired (537010) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175895)

Does anybody know anything about the actual infrastructure that is the "Great Firewall of China"?

I've done some googlin' but can't really find out anything about it. I think I heard once that Cisco had been involved in putting it together.

I'm just idley curious - where is it/they? What platforms are used? What are the bandwidth requirements etc. Anybody know?

xenu (2)

nzhavok (254960) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175900)

Starting testing...

Stage one testing complete.

Testing complete for http://www.xenu.com. Result:
Site not reachable from US testing location. Check URL and web server.

must be those dame scientologists in beijing

How to bypass www restrictions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175948)

Your corporate has blocked some www sites? Is your surfing being monitored by some software which logs all the sites you visit? Worry no more brother.. All you need to do is -> point your browser to some site which does translations and "translate" the page which is blocked! The only thing that shows in logs is the URL of the site that does the translation!

No problems (1)

jabbadeznuts (451155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175955)

I was in China last spring break for a series of concerts. Wheil we were in Bejing, we stayed in the Carey Centre Hotel, which is one of the nicest in Bejing. So when we got to our rooms, obviousy, the 1st thing I went for was the internet connection. Well, It was a little box that looked like a TiVo which had come CAT5 cable coming out of the back and a coax cable to the TV. so we turned it on and..... it ran a chineese version of LINUX! My room mate and I were thrilled and we stayed up all night playing with the thing.

Anyway, back to the firewall, it seems that CNN is accessable by the harvard website on this page

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/tes t/ go.asp?URL=http://www.cnn.com

my experiences are that the firewall only blocks certan IPs, not just allows certan IPs. So, you can telnet to your home box, use Lynx to brows the web remotely, and have no problems!

Re:No problems (2)

Large Green Mallard (31462) | more than 11 years ago | (#4176014)

Or if you were really hardcore, and slightly paranoid about the Chinese government sniffing your login details to your home machine, you'ld use SSH to connect to it.

Or even better, use the ssh -L port forwarding command to forward a local port on your machine in china to the squid port on your machine back home and browse the web using your browser of choice ;)

they're not that fast (2)

stinky wizzleteats (552063) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175971)

The test site itself remains viewable by Chinese surfers, as does my web site.

I think I'll post a copy of the blocked sites list. (insert evil grin here)

bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4175979)

People in china are constantly letting each other know about proxies they can use to view any damned thing they want. Go on irc.263.net, get to know a few people, and eventually they'll start telling you about all kinds of proxies. More than a few are even internal proxy servers daisy chained to external proxy servers to circumvent the blocking done to limit some places to connecting to site onlys within china. Some of the cyber cafes, when they aren't all closed by the gov, even tell all their regular patrons exactly how to use them.

My site's blocked. Speculating why. (2)

Charles Dodgeson (248492) | more than 11 years ago | (#4175984)

My vanity site [goldmark.org] is reported as inaccessible. I'm not sure why, but here are some guesses
  • It's vhosted, and there is something interesting I share that IP address with.
  • For a while, I reported all spam involving unresponsive Chinese network operators to the Chinese embassy in the US, telling them that this was a image problem for China.
  • After never having a response to those either, I started including in my LARTs to China text like "thank you for your support of a Free and Independent Tibet", hoping that that might get someone to pay attention.
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