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The Two Towers Hits the Net

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the thats-just-plain-scary dept.

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tfreport writes "The Drudge Report is reporting that The Two Towers has already began to be file swapped online. This is four months before the movie is set to debut! An executive in New York promised if this is indeed part of the film that they would be punishing anyone and everyone that downloads the film or distributes it to the full extent of the law."

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Postest with the mostest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183372)

if only!

fp (-1)

handybundler (232934) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183375)

I win. pr0pz to sp0rks worldwide

No.... (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183402)

You are a fucking luzer that wouldn't know a first post if it was sitting on your face and wiggling around. Don't bother responding to this post, as you have nothing clever to say.

Re:No.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183484)

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Re:No.... (-1, Offtopic)

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Isn't that a reversal! (1)

G0SP0DAR (552303) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183376)

Touch, but don't look! That'll be interesting to see how they plan to enforce their policy on anyone who may have downloaded it.

first glance (-1, Troll)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183377)


With only 9 days left before the first anniversary of that "day", and /. decides to make the headline THAT!??!

I thought it was something completely different, until I read the actual story submission.

Re:first glance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183390)

Get over it! The WTC is gone! Now STFU and go do something decent for a change!

Re:first glance (0, Offtopic)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183407)

I am doing something decent about it. I'm refreshing our memories of what happened, just by bringing it up.

Nevermind the fact that the US is full of crap lately with their "war on terrorism", but let's look at why mankind is so intent on killing each other on our only planet.

Now.. why is it you choose to post as AC?


Re:first glance (-1)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183420)

what's him being logged in or not got to do with your being a fuckhead?

Re:first glance (1)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183431)

Such an intelligent post too, and a monday!

I have a personal pet peeve against people that post anonymously.

Re:first glance (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183446)

i have a personal pet peeve against fuckheads.

Re:first glance (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183455)

Cuz I don't have a real account, fucktard!

Re:first glance (1)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183468)

They're free the last time I looked.

What, are you too lazy to set one up, or do you need someone with more than half a brain to hold your hand too?

Re:first glance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183492)

You are really mature flaming some AC on /. aren't you? Oh yea, you're "kewl" because you have a registered account...

Re:first glance (0, Flamebait)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183424)

Nevermind the fact that the US is full of crap lately with their "war on terrorism", but let's look at why mankind is so intent on killing each other on our only planet.

Because its full of religious fuck'tards.

Enough reason for you? Now, fuck off and cry me a river.

Re:first glance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183437)

but let's look at why mankind is so intent on killing each other on our only planet.

Mankind, or just G. W. Bush?

I had to laugh the other day, when Tony Blair was complaining that we (The U.K) must support the U.S in its attack against Iraq. My question is : Why? What has Saddam done? Got any proof?

Thought so.

Appeaser idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183479)

Assholes appeasers like you caused the Jewish holocaust 50 years ago and now you're at it again.

Why is it so hard for you bleeding heart left-wing liberals to understand that Iraq and Saddam, along with Syria and Iran, are at the heart of the clash of cultures that's been brewing in the Middle East since the creation of the State of Israel and is about to spread all over the world?

What I am talking about is the clash between a culture of religious totalitarian islamic zealots to whom human life has no value and the Western Culture based on the respect for human rights, the religion of love for one's neighbour and democracy.

Now, the State of Israel admittedly has her faults as a nation, but what nation doesn't? The fact remains that Israel is the only Western democracy in the Middle East and for the sake of the rest of the continent must remain so at all costs. Iraq and Syria are both sworn to annihilate the State of Israel. To everyone else than you liberals it is obvious that Saddam is trying VERY HARD to get his hands on weapons of mass destruction in order to strike against Israel and the Western civilization.

The conflict of these two civilizations is inevitable and if you don't want to end up on the losing side you will support whatever means it takes to counter the Islamic threat.

Re:first glance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183496)

I had to laugh the other day, when Tony Blair was complaining that we (The U.K) must support the U.S in its attack against Iraq. My question is : Why?

Because if the UK wouldn't do it there would be nobody doing it and that would be embarassing.

Ok. Those pathetic countries that sign exemptive agreements with the US regarding the international crime court might also support the campaign.

gibb0r me (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183378)

give me a download link.... please fast lines only....

Obvious bait (1, Flamebait)

vandelais (164490) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183379)

Do not acquire from user MovieMogull. He is a mole wanker.
But user M0vHax0r is ok.

Let's all use our better judgment here.

Re:Obvious bait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183457)

what about 3FB33Y3_4G3NT2K?

PHIRST POAST!@!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183380)

WOrd to yo momma! I gotz the poastest with the moastest!!!

This isn't good (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183381)

If this is indeed the real film, this isn't good. Piracy online is at least understandable if not excuseable when the movie has been out for 4 months in theatres.

Now this is crap...

Re:This isn't good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183405)

$7.50-10 dollars is fag for a ticket

Re:This isn't good (1, Informative)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183452)

What do you expect? the movie industry spends too much time and money building up to release dates with all the hype, advertising etc.. just release the damn film!

Useless (5, Insightful)

koh (124962) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183383)

We already know such declarations are not to be taken seriously. What will they do ? Sue 4,500,500 gnutella nodes ?

Re:Useless (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183498)

We already know such delcarations are not to be taken seriously. What will they do ? Sue 4,500,500 gnutella nodes ?
I know that's the perception, but reality can be a different thing. Whenever I've searched the Gnutella network for LOTR, there has never been more than about a dozon and a half hosts carrying film one. Relatively speaking, it would not be difficult for them to track down the people hosting the Twin Towers. Moreover, they probably have software monitoring the network to spot the first appearance of the file(s) in question - they may even be able to track down the perportrator. This threat might just not be hollow.

4 months? (5, Funny)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183384)

I'm sure the thousands and thousands of people who have complete copies of the movie 4 months before its release, right in their desk, are going to be repremanded serverely. I think there will be more blood spilled by the fanatics who dont want any spoilers than there will be via producers of the film.

Re:4 months? (1)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183388)

How do we know this isn't just some plot by the movie industry to drum up excitment for the actual movie?

How do we know that the movie being shared online is legit, or just a false one to be a red herring until it's released?

Re:4 months? (2)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183421)

In the famous words of Dr. Ackabar, "Its a trap!"

it's a trap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183485)

fark invades slashdot, mustard man leads advanced scout party, film at 11.

Re:it's a trap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183503)

I thought slashdot invaded fark and then fark invades slashdot. We have to coordinate this you know.

Spoilers? (5, Funny)

Purple_Walrus (457070) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183398)

The fanatics have already read all the books.

Re:Spoilers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183447)

If its anything like the first, the spoiler will be the fact that the plot will be nothing like the books!

Well... (5, Insightful)

echophase (601838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183385)

Why don't they focus their efforts on finding who leaked it rather than going after the people too anxious to wait till the release (who are likely to go see it when it comes out anyways)?

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183396)

And if it is the genuine article and complete, then why wait 4 months before releasing it? Why not release it now and pre-empt the pirates?

Re:Well... (2, Informative)

echophase (601838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183418)

They have a marketing campaign to follow, etc. It would probably hurt them more if they were to release it now.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183449)

If it is that good that pirate copies are in circulation, do they really need a marketing campaign? As an experiment, maybe they could just release it with the only marketing being the theater show listings and see how well it does. I would not be surprised if it were to do very well, which would indicate that the money spent on the marketing campaigns could be better spent.

This is just pathetic... (5, Insightful)

l33t-gu3lph1t3 (567059) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183387)

And we wonder why the RIAA and MPAA are screaming at their senators to kill P2P systems? Movies have always partially made it into the Internet before they were released, but only now with the relative ease of file-swapping have they been so readily pirated. If we want to convince *anyone* of the legitimacy of P2P networks bull**** like this has to stop, now.

Re:This is just pathetic... (4, Interesting)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183399)

The real question is this: "Where did the material come from in the first place?"

If this is legit material, than perhaps the movie industry should worry more about security than howling after the fact.

It's been said countless times, that the internet as broadcast medium could do far more positive things for the movie industry than harmful, if handled correctly. We all know how dense the people at the top are though...

I don't know what is more tragic. The fact that someone has the balls to smuggle this out, or the fact that the movie industry is too stupid to not capitilize on a medium that obviously their fans use daily.

Maybe the movie industry really *isn't* worried... (5, Interesting)

SimplyCosmic (15296) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183461)

... maybe they deliberately leaked it, knowing full well that the extra hype would only help the movie, the fanatics would still go to the movie theater to see it ten times and would buy all six versions of the DVD, even after seeing it from a downloaded P2P copy.

[ conspiracy mode ]

Additionally, intentionally releasing a relatively clean copy of a movie that they know will be heavily traded provides them a great bullet point in presentations to Congress about how those eterrorist hackers are trading complete movies online and legislation needs to be immediately enacted to give them full search-and-seizure rights to your computer.

[ /conspiracy mode ]

Re:Maybe the movie industry really *isn't* worried (3, Interesting)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183481)

You know what would be even scarier to contemplate?

If they leaked different sub-versions, each with a special "marker" in it to track how far they travelled online.

Think of the potential marketing statistics and numbers they could churn out the next time they want to justify exactly what you stated, namely how all the eTerrorists are infiltrating their industry and causing such a downturn in the economy... (my heart breaks... ;)

I'll say it again. The United States is NOT the center of the universe.

These people need to grow up, take a good look around at this world we live in, and realize that money doesn't solve everything.

Re:This is just pathetic... (2, Insightful)

echophase (601838) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183401)

Oh, and next we should shut down usenet. Then we should shut down our highways, because they transport criminals. Also shut down grocery stores, as they provide food for criminals (it's against the law to aid a criminal, right?) Hell, let's start cutting fibre right away. Go troll somewhere else

Re:This is just pathetic... (1)

l33t-gu3lph1t3 (567059) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183409)

It's easier to target P2P users than the thief. Actual investigating would determine where the leak came from ---all you have to do is a kazaa search to find the pirating users...

MIT study on mpeg codecs and P2P (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183389)

Watching the new He-Man and the Masters of the Universe movie last night brought so many emotions to me: joy, for seeing my favorite characters brought to the small screen once again; skepticism, in trying to believe these are the same characters as their original counterparts; and a sense of being overwhelmed, by the sheer number of revelations and surprises Mattel and Mike Young Productions managed to pack into an hour and a half of television.

Truly this is an historic moment for He-Fans everywhere. No longer is our favorite childhood hero banished to a one-time existence in the mid-1980s. Now it has been revived in a refreshing and powerful new series and toyline. Now our He-Man will take his place among the ranks of G.I. Joe, Transformers, Star Wars, and other franchise creations that have permanent appeal over many generations. What the new cartoon proves more than anything is that the concept for Masters of the Universe is timeless.

"The Beginning," which will be split into three "Origin" parts for regular airing, aspires to do something never before attempted in the Masters of the Universe canon. The original cartoon (and toyline) begin during He-Man's heroic career, never explaining how he got the sword or how his rivalry with Skeletor developed. Instead, we were fed constant hints as to how these things happened (Sorceress was assigned the job of giving the swords to their destined owners in "Origin of the Sorceress"), but never truly told the straight story on how a cowardly prince became the champion of Eternia. Mattel and Mike Young Productions have chosen not only to finally tell He-Man's origin story, but Skeletor's as well, interlocking the two permanently.

Skeletor's origin story still leaves many questions to be answered. The writers have chosen to use the Keldor tale first popularized in the 1986 series Mattel mini-comic, "The Search for Keldor!," which insinuated that Skeletor was King Randor's long-lost brother. Whether or not they are siblings remains a question mark, but what we do know is that Skeletor was once known as a goatee-sporting villain named Keldor (and goatees are always a sure sign of evil, right?). By the way Randor warns the Elders in the Hall of Wisdom, we understand that Skeletor and his army are fast approaching, threatening and invading every corner of Eternia. It is apparent that Randor and the Defenders (the new title of the Heroic Warriors that shows they are constantly on the defense against Skeletor) are struggling to keep the planet safe. While Mattel has chosen to show how Skeletor got his skullface, they have left the story of how Skeletor became Eternia's chief enemy up to question. This leaves all sorts of room for Hordak, King Hiss, and any number of threads to weave into Skeletor's past. But at this point in his life, Skeletor seems to have asserted his rightful place as Eternia's resident master of destruction and created a loyal band of warriors to fight his cause. When Skeletor and his forces attack the Hall of Wisdom, a clash with Randor leaves Skeletor faceless. When Skeletor tosses a vial of poison at Randor, he deflects it with his shield, and the poison sprays all over Keldor's face. The animators try so hard to make this a "Big, Important Moment" that they use dreadfully sluggish slow motion to It is thrilling to finally see Skeletor clutching his head screaming, "My face! My face!," and it is even more satisfying to know that Randor caused the deformation. If there was not hatred between these two before, there definitely is now. Mattel has worked hard to incorporate Randor more tightly into the He-Man/Skeletor rivalry and give Skeletor real motivation to detest the king of Eternia.

Another longtime hole in Skeletor's story has been how Eternia fought him all those twenty years while waiting for Adam to grow up and assume the powers of Grayskull. There have been many theories as to how this might be explained, but Mike Young Productions has come up with the best one I've heard yet. The Council of Elders banished Skeletor and his gang to Snake Mountain (in the "Dark Hemisphere," perpetuating the idea that Eternia has a dark half and a light half). The Sorceress and Man-At-Arms generated a mystic wall to imprison the villains in their own sub-world. This is the cartoon's first symbolic union of science and magic, as Man-At-Arms thrusts a generator into the ground and the Sorceress ignites it with her magic power. This is the first time in either cartoon series that the Sorceress has really performed a jaw-dropping magic spell. The shots of the mystic wall are breath-taking, and we understand immediately that this Sorceress will be a force to reckon with.

Unfortunately, the Sorceress is a failure. Gone is the maternity and soft-spoken spirituality of a kind-hearted woman in bird costume. She has been replaced by a female Egyptian pharaoh that speaks cold declarations and looks with hard eyes. I always imagined the scene when the Sorceress bestows the sword upon Prince Adam to be a beautiful, loving scene where the Sorceress would gently explain Adam's destiny as he, overwhelmed but fully aware of the moment's importance, dutifully accepted his new role. All hopes for such a moment are dashed by the icy Sorceress and frightfully bratty Prince Adam seen in "The Beginning."

Mattel has decided to make Prince Adam a boy and He-Man a man, which is a decision I very much approve. Michael Halperin, who wrote the original He-Man series bible, wanted Adam to be a teenager given the power to fight like a man, but Filmation nixed the idea in order to make He-Man and Prince Adam the exact same size and build to ease the difficulties of animating them. The new Adam provides endless avenues for personal growth and development. I think the writers chose to make Adam so unlikable in this first episode so that he would have some place to go and room to grow as the series fleshes him out. He certainly has the most potential of any of the characters in a series where the villain is usually the star. Adam's new look is a breath of fresh air, finally freeing him from that gaudy pink vest and giving him a look that crosses somewhere between Robin Hood and a punk rocker. The new story is more a fairy tale about how a child assumes the power to defeat bigger and stronger enemies, following classic myth-making principles.

But while writer Dean Stefan's decision to make Adam bratty now so he can become manly later is probably a smart one, it makes Adam's performance particularly hard to swallow. He jokes, chides, and ridicules the most important moments of his life, making him appear flippant and disrespectful. As soon as he meets the Sorceress, he makes a crack about sending her a birthday invitation (the guardian's silent response is the only moment when her frosty coldness truly works). Adam possesses reverence for almost nothing--his warrior training, his duties as a prince, his destiny as revealed in the legendary Castle Grayskull. Whereas his attitude in the old show was purely an act, this Prince Adam really does behave like this. It will be most interesting to see if, as Adam grows and accepts his challenges over time, he will grow out of his childishness and learn to act foolish only as a disguise for his secret identity. As told in "The Beginning," He-Man is merely a muscular costume for Prince Adam. Our hero is developed only minimally and possesses no life of his own. I always enjoyed in the old show how you could never really separate He-Man from Adam and vice versa--because even though Adam's behavior was all an act, his inner self was completely formed from the principles and strength of He-Man. One could not exist without the other, but there are times when Adam tires of being He-Man ("Into the Abyss") or outright gives him up ("The Problem With Power"). The writers for the new series seem to be going with the idea that Adam is the whole person and He-Man exists as an incidental, alternative form. If the writers are smart, they'll begin blending the two as the heroics of He-Man begin to have a maturing effect on Prince Adam. The new series promises us huge character development stories for Prince Adam, allowing us to fully understand the growing pains of suddenly becoming your planet's crowned champion.

Writer Dean Stefan produces an unexpected twist in the revelation scene at Grayskull when Adam completely walks out of it, mid-ceremony. Man-At-Arms, having known Adam's destiny all along (he and the Sorceress share a lot of secrets, don't they?), takes Adam to Castle Grayskull when he realizes the time has come. Adam hardly takes any of this seriously, which is a real shame. While I understand what the writers are trying to do, Adam's behavior subtracts not only from our love for him but also from the mystique of Castle Grayskull. If a teenage brat will not shut up when he enters Grayskull just from the feeling of being overwhelmed, then, well, he's a real brat. Adam's nonchalant attitude explodes when he declares, "I'm no great warrior. I'm just a kid. Thanks for the magic show," flagrantly refusing the Sorceress' offer. He flies back to the Royal Palace, where Skeletor and his minions have already wrecked havoc. Suddenly realizing that his family is in danger, Adam understands why he was asked to become a hero at this point in time. Some of Adam's behavior can be explained by his sheltered childhood lived in the safety of the Royal Palace. As Adam asks in his first scene, "What forces of evil? . . . They're history." He has never known evil, so how could he not have a carefree attitude about all this? By making Adam leave Grayskull prematurely, the writers force Adam to choose his destiny rather than have it simply bestowed upon him. Seeing the Palace in ruin, watching Man-At-Arms, his protector, jet off to the Evergreen Forest to join the fighting, hearing the words of his distraught mother, Adam has no choice but to return to Castle Grayskull and accept his adulthood. This plot twist allows Adam the power of choice and strengthens his character, even if it eschews the respectful scene I had always imagined in my head.

The problem with Adam's flippant attitude is that it belittles Grayskull in its very first scene, when it should feel the most powerful and grandiose. The director has chosen low angle and surveillance shots to give us a wide perspective on Castle Grayskull, mostly to make Adam feel small and lost in its expansiveness. The newly redesigned Castle Grayskull is another major weak point in Mattel's re-imagining of the old series. Rather than being a castle obscured by a twisting and elaborate Evergreen Forest, the new Grayskull is a vertical tower stuck in the middle of a jungle. It makes more sense now why no one could find Grayskull before, but that does not make for its frighteningly vertical design. Trying to better Filmation's Grayskull was a fruitless task from the beginning, since Castle Grayskull stands as the original He-Man's only true work of art. The huge jaw mouth, the deep, penetrating eye sockets, the animal-like body of the castle, its leg-like bones supporting its weight over the bottomless abyss, the organic green interior--how could the animators of today even begin to top all this? They don't even try. The new Castle Grayskull looks like any other stone castle with a skullface slapped on front. Instead of a dark interior that shifts and seems somehow alive, we are given dusty brick walls and empty corridors. The castle feels lonely more than anything else. The gargoyles peering from the rafters bring echoes of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" that I'd rather not acknowledge and, again, reduces Grayskull to a castle like any other. The designers give Grayskull no cohesive concept for its interiors. The entrance is a gothic stone corridor, the Sorceress's throne is an Egyptian pyramid, the labyrinth bears Roman coliseums, and the underground chamber is a haphazard mix between She-Ra's Crystal Castle and some vast region of outerspace (although the underground design certainly trumps all the rest of Grayskull). It's as if four different animators with completely different concepts for Grayskull decided they would each control a part of it. In the end, they succeed in making Grayskull into a confusing nothing. This is why the Sorceress's new Egyptian design does not fit in at all. If Grayskull were a pyramid, it would be appropriate, but not inside this castle. The Sorceress, the series's spiritual center, should be beautiful and simple, but the new design weighs her down with ornate designs and a heavy golden headdress. The new Castle Grayskull is this series' ultimate failure, unable to recapture almost any of the aura, suspense, or power of the original. Instead, it is an architectural mishmash.

The only attempt to capture the mystique of old comes when the Sorceress leads He-Man to the underground chamber. Her firefly light leads Adam through Grayskull's corridors, allowing for some of the best lighting and direction in the entire episode. As the Sorceress and Adam descend to the underground chamber, echoes of "Origin of the Sorceress" abound. Since that episode provides our only idea of what it is like to receive the powers of Grayskull, it becomes the benchmark by which this new scene must compare. And, unfortunately, it falls short. The underground chamber is the only Grayskull location that takes our breath away even for a second, as the crystalline expansiveness wows our eyes. The Sorceress sends a ray down into a black abyss, hinting that the abyss may be just as important in providing Grayskull's power as it was in the old series. An ornate chest rises out from the blackness, revealing Adam's sword. I do like that this entire sequence is free of dialogue, as if the Sorceress knew Adam's decision without asking him and he knew what to do without being told. But the scene lacks any pause, any breath, any learning. Adam picks up the sword with little or no hesitance, whips it above his head, and declares, "By the power of Grayskull!," without even the least bit of encouragement. Even Zoar had to have some coaching from Kodak Ungor before she could become the Sorceress again. In a few wild anime camera moves, Adam becomes He-Man in a shock of electric blue light. The transformation happens too rapidly without any of the reverence it deserves. This should have been a quiet, powerful moment as Adam accepts his destiny, but instead it barrels over Adam's "It's heavy" protest to reach the finished product, a sword-wielding muscle man named He-Man that almost seems foreign to the whole event.

He-Man himself appears oddly disconnected and undeveloped in his first outing. Having just been created, he lacks any real personality of his own. The writers have taken great pains to improve our hero from the one of old. He-Man's action sequences are a lot like his old ones (picking up a boulder, deflecting Skeletor's blasts, stopping a fall in mid-air by plunging his sword into the cliffside), but they are a lot harder for him to perform. Lifting a boulder appears to take all his strength, as he carefully cuts the rock with his sword, pulls it up from the ground, and takes his time rising from his knees to hold the boulder completely in the air. A huge problem in the original series was that He-Man appeared to do anything and everything almost effortlessly. When a hero is all-powerful, he becomes boring. The new series has taken great pains to show He-Man is strong, but his feats of strength are not necessarily easy. This allows room for He-Man to be weak, to fall, to make a mistake. Already the writers have cured one of the major ills of the old show. I particularly love it when He-Man catches Randor as they fall into the lava pits and Randor asks, "He-Man, you can fly?" in a stroke of comedic genius. He-Man, of course, can not fly, pointing out one of his weaknesses right from the start. He plunges his sword into the mountainside to stop, but fails, and he has to let go of Randor to make the second attempt work. This is far more dramatic than He-Man quickly and effortlessly saving the day. Unlike the original series, the action sequences of the new one will actually be interesting.

If there is any message the new series is trying to send us, it is this: THE ACTION SCENES WILL BE MUCH, MUCH BETTER. At least a third of "The Beginning" movie is spent on battles, pairing up different character so they can square off and demonstrate their weapons and abilities. Just like "Diamond Ray of Disappearance," Mattel is using this as a toy commercial to demonstrate all the "neat things" each character can do, enticing us to buy. But such commercialism can be excused because the animators go to great lengths to make these tiffs interesting and exciting. One of the major problems of the old series was the "one strike, you're out" formula, which dictated that any time a villain was struck, hit, or kicked, he was automatically defeated and completely out of commission. This is why battles on the old series happen so quickly and quietly: all it takes is one action for a hero to knock out the villain. The new series has much more faith in the resilience of its characters. When Man-E-Faces knocks Mer-Man down, he stands up again and whips out his sword (cleverly using his belt emblem to hide his sword). The villains are not defeated easily and the heroes are not perfect, making the action scenes far more intriguing. The heroes might actually lose against these ferocious enemies.

While I do not have space to talk about every character individually, I would like to write a few quick impressions about each one:

Man-At-Arms - a more quiet force than I first expected, he maintains his fatherly presence with a bit more strategic intelligence. His once useless battle mace can change shape and produce strategy plans, and he seems more like a middle-aged warrior than the aging engineer of old.

Man-E-Faces - one of the most useless characters of the original toyline, Mattel could have ditched him this time around. But instead, they are trying to finally integrate Man-E with the rest of the cast. He still has not found his place, but he is more active than I expected. The question still remains whether his shifting faces actually change his personality and his powers or if they do nothing to him at all.

Ram Man - does not really have much to do here, but maintains the clumsy, dumbfounded personality of old, and his beefier redesign fits his powers perfectly

Mekaneck - this new series works hard to give Mekaneck the purpose he never really attained in the original; the fact that his neck can bend and twist will aid that goal a lot.

Stratos - not much different from the Stratos of old, his main purpose is to be the Defender that can actually fly.

I was actually amazed at how much Mattel did NOT change from the original series. Most of the characters' redesigns are variations on the old ones, and they all possess the same powers and even the same weapons of the originals (and the cartoon has managed to integrate the weapons in ways that Filmation never bothered to).

Teela has a refreshing new anime look, given long ponytail hair and a ferocious, wide-eyed attitude. She does not seem nearly as reserved and harsh as the old Teela; in fact, she comes across as playful, youthful, and freed up. This allows her to have more of a bantering sibling relationship with Prince Adam than the almost parental relationship of old. The new show chooses familiar ground with which to introduce them--the traditional training sequence in the Royal Palace courtyard under the watchful view of Man-At-Arms. Returning to this place assures the audience that nothing has changed at all. Adam and Teela's spirited attacks on each other tell us right from the start that their attraction is more than just the kind of bond childhood friends share. Teela's backflips and snake staff action prove she will certainly have more than her fair share of great action scenes in the new series.

Orko remains surprisingly unchanged from the original series. His more wizardly outfit works well, but his high-pitched squealing and Freudian slips prove he will be comedic relief all over again. That will probably be okay, since the writers must know Orko was overused in the original show. The writers have done an excellent job of solving yet another mystery from the original series: how Orko found out Adam's secret (or why Adam would tell him it at all). Orko and Cringer follow Adam to Grayskull and witness his transformation, becoming the only two other than the Sorceress and Man-At-Arms to know the secret. I like that Cringer and Battle Cat are unable to speak in the new series. It allows Cringer to be frightened constantly without the whiny voice (he looks more like a real cat too). Battle Cat's new design is disappointing, however. The animators have scaled back his armor, but his head is way too small for his body. Orko, Cringer, and Battle Cat always bear the burden of being the funny sidekicks, and the jury is still out on exactly how they will function in this new series.

King Randor and Queen Marlena are remarkably muted in their twenty-first century redesigns. The gruffness of Randor's original voice is missing, and he almost sounds like he could be He-Man's age. The animators have chosen to dress Randor and Marlena in the same brown and orange colors, but this has a dulling effect. Whereas the original Queen Marlena, in her striking and simple green gown, provided a commanding presence even when she did not speak, the new Marlena seems quiet and unaware. She's a token mother figure without any of the intelligence and power of the original. I can hardly imagine this Queen Marlena being a headstrong astronaut from the planet Earth.

But while Mattel and Mike Young Productions have done a credible job with the heroes, their energies have obviously been better spent on the villains. Maintaining the looks and color schemes for the Evil Warriors, the animators have wisely sharpened the appearances and powers of Skeletor's ratpack. Here's my rundown:

Mer-Man - the Best Entrance award goes to Mer-Man, who pops out of a swampy pool in foreboding, grand style. The animators have taken away the bumbling oafishness of the original and made Mer-Man's fishy origins an asset. His razor-sharp teeth, piercing eyes, and throaty voice make him dangerous and full of malice. His scene with the giant floating blowfish goes on way too long, however, and having Man-At-Arms trapped in its belly is a little too "Jonah and the Whale" for my tastes.

Beast Man - the quintessential first henchman, Beast Man fails to return to his darker roots from the first episodes of the original series. Instead, the writers have opted to go with the bumbling, clueless Beast Man that became the norm. His chief allies appear to be the Griffins, which allow him to swoop in and rescue Skeletor whenever necessary. The scene where the two ride Griffins and the wind flies against them is one of the strongest sensory moments in the episode and proves that Beast Man is Skeletor's right hand man.

Trap Jaw - thankfully, Trap Jaw's foolishness has been reduced and his powers emphasized. His huge robotic arm supports almost any weapon, and he actually seems threatening now.

Clawful - the loneliest of Skeletor's first season band, Clawful was a villain who always had great potential with his echoing voice and devilish eyes. The new series kills that potential by giving him the idiot voice and brain that Trap Jaw abated. But, like all the other villains, his terrific redesign and blazing powers reveal a triumph of brawn over brain.

Whiplash - how did Whiplash get so big? He's huge now, and the better for it. His tail cracks down on Teela, and if that doesn't frighten a person, Whiplash sitting on you will.
Tri-Klops - the "odd man out" of Skeletor's original five cohorts (Beast Man, Trap Jaw, Evil-Lyn, Mer-Man, and Tri-Klops), Tri-Klops returns in this series with newfound purpose. His cyclops eye can shoot fire now (among other things, I'm sure), and his Doom Seeker robots attack when we least expect them to. The Doom Seeker have not been fully explained, but they add purpose to Tri-Klops. Expect a lot more from him in the future.

Of course the most improved villain is Evil-Lyn, who reaches her full potential in this new series. While the new design is a little too sticks-and-bones for me, the attitude and the power are all there. Whereas it was sometimes unclear her role in the original series, Evil-Lyn is undoubtedly second-in-command now. She stands alongside Keldor in his first scene, and takes over for Skeletor when he escapes with Randor. And just as Skeletor receives a tilting shot over his body upon entrance, so too does Evil-Lyn warrant a similar shot later on, proving that she is just as threatening. Her staff-length crystal ball is an improvement and her glowing purple eyes are a welcome addition to her sorceress ensemble. Whereas Evil-Lyn always seemed like Teela's evil counterpart in the original series, this Evil-Lyn positions herself far beyond Teela's level. As a longtime Evil-Lyn fan, it is a thrill to see her finally kicking butt. After Tri-Klops, Trap Jaw, and Beast Man each try to break the mystic wall, Evil-Lyn steps forward and declares, "Step aside, boys," and fires her magical best. While her attempt fails (allowing Skeletor to assume his rightful role as destroyer of the mystic wall), the sequence proves the hierarchy of the Evil Warriors and Evil-Lyn's place atop it. Perhaps no moment among the action scenes is more powerful than when Evil-Lyn sends a cosmic blast across the Evergreen Forest and turns it into a barren wasteland, turning the tables and making the Evil Warriors the team to beat. Never would the original He-Man series have produced a moment where it seemed so much like the villains would actually win. Skeletor's army is, on a hand to hand ratio, more powerful than He-Man's Defenders, allowing them to become the longtime threat legend has made them out to be. Now we understand why Eternia needs He-Man: these enemies are too strong for anyone but him.

Evil-Lyn's rise to power could not come without a hint of mutiny. Writer Dean Stefan chooses to end the episode with a tacked-on scene where Evil-Lyn questions Skeletor's authority. "Perhaps you think you could run things better than I," Skeletor coldly says to Evil-Lyn, eliciting the conciliatory reaction he wanted from her. The scene is rather useless in "The Beginning," but it does promise plenty of classic tension between these two power-starved villains. Evil-Lyn will be her own force in this new series.

But just like "Diamond Ray of Disappearance," the true star of this premiere episode is Skeletor. Retaining the wit of the original, this Skeletor is far more powerful and threatening than ever before. His voice leaves much to be designed, but Mattel has successfully re-imagined him as a warrior. The new Skeletor is far more physical, allowing him to fight He-Man almost equally. His flips and jumps into the air, his amazing sword slashing, and his dynamic mid-air moves all reveal the potent influence of anime on the new Masters of the Universe. Skeletor can do almost anything, and that makes him a stronger villain. Thankfully, the animators have brought back the Havoc Staff and added a royal cape, giving Skeletor a captive elegance and form he did not quite possess before. The director has overused the red eyes glowing, which are supposed to signal the moments when Skeletor gets most angry. The red eyes were used throughout original He-Man memorabilia, but Filmation chose to resist it. It was inevitable that the new cartoon would employ the red eyes, but the animators should be frugal with their usage. On the other hand, director Gary Hartle chooses brilliantly to obscure Skeletor's skullface until he finally reveals it to King Randor, the man he blames for his deformation. As Randor wisely responds, "You did it to yourself," cleverly pointing out that Skeletor's evil will poison himself and ultimately bring his downfall. Obscuring Skeletor's face, shrouding him in darkness, and granting him legendary fighting skills and magic powers have bolstered Skeletor to the level he was always meant to achieve--a serious, powerful supervillain almost incapable of defeat. Skeletor still delivers terrible dialogue about threatening He-Man and ruling Eternia, and he still surrounds himself with blundering idiots (he gets annoyed with Beast Man), but he's a much stronger villain than the one Alan Oppenheimer voiced (even if Oppenheimer's Skeletor laugh was much better). As always, Skeletor remains the star of He-Man's show.

Mattel and Mike Young Productions have done an amazing job of streamlining and retelling the often incongruous He-Man mythology. The Hall of Wisdom, which never appeared in the original series, finally establishes the Council of Elders as the center of wisdom and power in Eternia. When Keldor attacks the hall, the Elders vanish and declare Captain Randor king of Eternia (finally proving that Randor rules over all, not just part, of the planet, but vanquishing the King Miro mythology of the old series). The Elders' disappearance marks a powerful shift for all of Eternia. Randor, standing alone in the now empty hall, hears only the voice of the Sorceress in falcon form. She declares, "Peace will come only for a time. A hero shall emerge to protect Eternia." Director Gary Hartle takes care to obscure the Sorceress until Adam meets her, cleverly hiding her in shadowed shots of her wings. The Sorceress explains to Adam that the Elders joined their powers and gave their energy to the Sorceress to protect. While this would seem to answer the question "What is the secret of Grayskull?," it does not quite make sense. If the ultimate power of Grayskull is the the power and knowledge of the Elders, then what did Grayskull exist before they stored their power in it? Why was the Sorceress living there? When Skeletor grills King Randor for information, he asks, "Now that the Council of Elders is no more, who controls the power of Eternia now?" What is this power of Eternia? Does it allow one to control Eternia, or the entire universe? Is is simply the knowledge and power of the original Elders? And why did Grayskull exist before it became the storage place for that power? Since Skeletor is still looking for the Elders, he does not even realize that Grayskull exists, adding an interesting new twist to the mythology. Skeletor will not attack Grayskull until he learns that the Elders' power is stored with in it. I am hoping that Grayskull houses more than just the Elders' magic. The original Grayskull kept its secret mysterious, but always offered the power to control the universe. This new series does not quite say if Grayskull offers this kind of power anymore or if the "power" is just the concentrated wisdom of Eternia's oldest Elders.

Furthermore, is the Hall of Wisdom still standing? With all the energy put into creating the Hall of Wisdom at the beginning of this movie, we would expect its presence to continue. I wish the animators had put as much effort into Grayskull as they did the hall. The opening shots and music in "The Beginning" are unrivaled by the rest of the story. On the whole, the music is banal and disinterested, providing more coverage than truly adding excitement. Places where the music should have provided the most emotion (such as Adam receiving the Power Sword) is where it remains the most unmemorable. The direction is vastly improved, showing what twenty years can do to children's animation. The moving camera shots, low angles, and blazing action cuts show the new influence of anime and modern cinema on animation. Director Gary Hartle has done a supreme job of making the once stagnant He-Man characters practically jump off screen.

The new He-Man series brings almost hundreds of welcome improvements upon the original, including better action scenes, better continuity, and darker villains, but it fails miserably when it comes to voices. King Randor and Mekaneck and Man-At-Arms all sound like the same person. Skeletor's voice is hollow and posses none of the resonant vocals of Alan Oppenheimer. He-Man's voice sounds the way a boring muscle-man's should, lacking any of the maturity and moral depth of John Erwin's performance. Even Evil-Lyn, who has the best voice of all the new characters, sounds grainy and desperate when listened against the golden confidence of Linda Gary's witch. All the characters look fantastic, but when they open their mouths, I want to cry.

Still, my complaints are largely nitpicky. Mattel and Mike Young Productions have overcome the major hurdles by firming up the mythology, finally telling the origin story of He-Man, and re-envisioning the entire cast of characters without taking away the appearances, powers, and personalities that first made us love them. I am impressed by how much has not changed, and most of the changes are welcome improvements upon the original series. Executive producer Bill Schultz has succeeded in guiding this new series to its rightful place. On the whole, "The Beginning" is off to a great start.

You'll only screw yourselves... (4, Interesting)

bushboy (112290) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183395)

Well, if you want to see a really shoddy quality movie on a small computer monitor with more than likely bad quality sound and some stupid warez logo covering part of the screen, your screwing yourself.

I'd rather wait 4 months and pay my money to see it the way it is intended ! - BIG SCREEN, dolby surround sound, comfy chair, popcorn etc.

Did you watch it? (2)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183456)

If not, that's just speculation from your side. But I get your point - a good movie such as the two towers *should* be watched on cinema.

Re:You'll only screw yourselves... (3, Funny)

radja (58949) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183464)

>I'd rather wait 4 months and pay my money to see it the way it is intended ! - BIG SCREEN, dolby surround sound, comfy chair, popcorn etc.

but... no smoking.. :(


Re:You'll only screw yourselves... (2, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183475)

I wish people could sit and watch a film without eating, drinking and talking. It ruins the enjoyment of a film. A friend of mine saw Episode 2 on VCD then at the Cinema, he said he enjoyed it more at home as the Cinema was too full and he was sat by a aircon duct freezing his bits off.

In other news... (0, Funny)

cca93014 (466820) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183397)

Copies of Spider-Man 2 Already on the Web

Hollywood, CA - Copies of Spider-Man 2 have been discovered circulating in IRC and on pirate sites. Experts say this is the first time a movie has been pirated before it has even been filmed. Movie pirates infiltrated Raimi's home while he slept. They used an advanced EEG imaging system along with Apple's new QuickTime 6.0 beta with Brain2Vid technology to capture the movie. Pirates then edited out the unnecessary portions of what they captured such as images of Raimi's mother yelling at him because he forgot to take out the garbage.

Director Sam Raimi has confirmed that this is indeed the movie he is about to film. "I knew I shouldn't think about what I'm going to film. Now it's loose on the Internet. I doubt the sequel will be able to break the $500,000 mark in 2 weeks now. I'm just really glad I didn't have that goat dream."

"This is outrageous," said MPAA president Jack Valenti, "These criminals by releasing the film before it has been released are not only stealing revenue from the producers but also ruining the movie goers magical experience. If the pirates do this to enough movies then the summer blockbuster season will seem like a cavalcade of unoriginal dreck which I admit isn't much of a change but still!"

Initial reviews of the film have been extremely positive. "Usually sequels don't live up to the first film unless you count Aliens, Terminator 2, The Empire Strikes Back and a few others, but this one really exceeds the expectations created by the first," exclaimed Jolly Roger in IRC.

According to one Internet research firm says the film was downloaded over 700,000,000 times in less than 14 hours and will cost the studio at least $5 trillion in lost revenue. "We stand by our numbers even if they might see a tad exaggerated. We really need the press," a spokesperson for the firm said.

Pirates have also tried to steal Episode III from George Lucas' brain for several months, but keep coming away with a blank screen.

Re:In other news... (0, Redundant)

ciupmean (572454) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183445)

Can someone mod this up !! ;D this is damn funny!! ;D

Re:In other news... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183466)

This comment has been pirated.
It appears orinally on ml

Re:In other news... (1, Redundant)

ciupmean (572454) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183474)

Can someone mod this down? This is damn pirated ..! ;D. Damn, even comments here are leaked .. Damn!!

Re:In other news... (1)

ryepup (522994) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183483)

LOL (1)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183400)

"Internet users boldly began trading copies of the latest RINGS on Sunday."

How to do this:

  1. Get crappy copy of movie from studio
  2. Rip it onto your PC
  3. Connect to the Internet, connect to FastTrack network
  4. Sit back and do nothing

Yes, that certainly is very bold, isn't it?

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183480)

Yes it is bold, but is it daring?

bullshit (-1)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183403)

just had a look. fair few files called two towers.avi etc but all are obvious fakes/renamed files.

Heh... (5, Informative)

NeuroManson (214835) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183410)

They're going after everyone who *downloads* it? That's going to take some doing...

Either way, plainly put, the quality is going to suck, the movie is worth seeing no matter what, I'll just consider the alleged posting (if I find it) as an appetizer before watching it on a massive movie screen with full Dolby Digital surround...

If one followed the logic of the idiots in Hollyweird, anyone who ever read Tolkein is already in violation of their hush hush rules...

I mean come ON now, who here hasn't actually read the books by Tolkein? Bueller? Bueller? We know how the story goes, the movie is just a way to see how well the books can be fleshed out... Kind of like Cameron's Titanic (spoiler alert: The ship sinks)...

Re:Heh... (1)

Inominate (412637) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183439)

The first one, The Fellowship Of the Ring, was also leaked well ahead of time. The copy was a rip of a screening DVD, and was distributed in DVD quality. No reason to believe they couldn't pull it off again.

DVD rip of FOTR (2, Insightful)

nojayuk (567177) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183506)

The first one, The Fellowship Of the Ring, was also leaked well ahead of time. The copy was a rip of a screening DVD, and was distributed in DVD quality.

If I recall correctly (and if I don't, I expect I will be politely corrected...) the rip of FOTR came from an Academy (read: Oscars) DVD that was circulated to possible voters. It came out quite a while after the cinema release of the movie itself; the first FOTR rip I saw was at a party in February, and that was from a camcorder.

Right now there is no complete TTT movie to send to Academy voters on DVD. There *might* be a rough-cut (no SFX, duff music, gaps with a whiteboard reading "big battle scene here") but that's all there is. Peter Jackson is still fine-tuning the release version (come on guys, you know what it's like trying to get finished code out the door...)

Re:Heh... (2)

Pogue Mahone (265053) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183451)

the movie is just a way to see how well the books can be fleshed out

I preferred the book of TFOTR - the special effects were much better (in my version at least) ;-)

Look within, Grasshopper! (5, Insightful)

thumbtack (445103) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183412)

Wait a minute here. If it's out, 4 months before its released, then someone on YOUR side of the food chain is the culprit.

But then again, maybe the recent availablity of Emniem on file sharing networks before the release, and the excellent sales has inspired your marketing department.

Already finished (1)

Shadow-Wing (140086) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183413)

If it is finished already, I want to see
it now (in a movie theater). I am
always away on holiday in December, thus
can only see the movie in Jan. In the mean time
all my friends will phone me with TTT reviews.

Re:Already finished (1)

grahamm (8844) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183467)

If it only just being leaked 4 months ahead of release, then it will be January before it is released. A December release is only 3 months away (we are in September now.)

Scary stuff... (5, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183414)

An executive in New York promised if this is indeed part of the film that they would be punishing anyone and everyone that downloads the film or distributes it to the full extent of the law

*shivers in fear*

Hopefully, no executives from New York dressed in black will come into my innocent house in northern Sweden to punish me to the maximum extent of the law. :-O

Re:Scary stuff... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183426)

I`m sure that Norweigan guy (who cracked DECSS) was saying pretty much the same thing before he got pigged!

Re:Scary stuff... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183443)

Hey, I'm not an executive from New York dressed in black, but you sure sound like a piece of hot oral action. So, how about it, handsome? I can wear black if you like it.

Re:Scary stuff... (2, Insightful)

WhistleBlower (603008) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183444)

Well, they did it to Jon Johansen (in Norway I think), so I don't think Sweden is such a safe place either.

Re:Scary stuff... (2)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183477)

Now that you mention it.. Yes, you're right. :-P

Well, that does it. I'll just have to keep a low profile then so I'm hopefully not be discovered until winter, when the peeps at Jukkasjärvi builds their annual ice hotel [] . I'll hide there until all this mess has cooled (no pun intended!) down a bit. Hopefully, hiding there will confuse the NY executives enough to not find me. Or do they look in ice hotels too? aaah

hummm Internet screenings .. ?? (1)

ciupmean (572454) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183419)

Instead of putting a bunch of people in a room for a screening test, they release the movie into the net (but not admiting it .. saying instead that it was leaked).. Then they measures the acceptance of the movie through the number of downloads made in any p2p network .. Has anyone though of this? >;)

hands up... (1)

ComaVN (325750) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183425)

all of you who immediatly started their Kazaa/Gnucleus/whatever to find it.

Re:hands up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183429)

booyah! guilty as charged..


Re:hands up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183497)

woot! (two fists pumping in the air)

Kazaa right now has the better selection.

SMR as artist...

It seems its in 3 parts... Right now I only see two parts.. 1 and 3. There is also a fake out there for Eight Legged Freaks... Read the filename people!

Time to Hit IRC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183427)


these are not movie lovers.. (0)

mbennis (160025) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183428)

They are just doing it for the challenge. It'll be a crappy divx ...No fun at all
True movie lovers will wait for the official date to see it in a big screen and for the DVD.

Cracked or leaked? (2, Interesting)

jukal (523582) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183432)

It would be interesting to know whether the movie file was leaked by someone who is part of the team - or if someone cracked into their system and stole it. I quess the cracker possibility could be quite potential too, because: they clearly use a lot of digital/computerized technology - even probably for communication within the team (so there probably would be the possibilities to do it) and because I doubt that the one who leaked the previous episode would have had the balls to do it again. If it was stolen by a system cracker - I would not like to be in the shoes of their sys.adm / infosec specialist who did not take enough action to make sure it does not happen again.

Re:Cracked or leaked? (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183499)

A digital master at the studio would be many gigabytes of data, I would estimate about 100 gig at least for a 3hr film (multitrack audio as well). I wonder who could download that without being noticed?

Re:Cracked or leaked? (2)

uncleFester (29998) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183511)

..or if someone cracked into their system and stole it.

If this is the case, their network admin should be fired. No matter what resolution, that would have to be one huge file transfer to go unnoticed on a corporate LAN uplink.

Myself, I'm betting it may be a working copy but I bet a number of effects shots are either still low-res versions or simply missing. I have a real hard time believing the film is even done, considering today's effect shop deadlines seeming to back right up against the release date. Either that or some s00per-l33+ skr1p+ k1dd13 was simply bragging about having an animated version.

Attributing blame. (5, Interesting)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183435)

Shouldn't the movie studios/recording industry pour all their efforts into finding the source of these leaked files rather than blaming everyone else on the 'net for their lack of basic security?

You know, simply NOT allowing their staff to send emails full of huge mpg files, or carry out CDRWs full of company assets would seem to be a good idea, would it not? It'd certainly be easier to stop this sort of thing at the source.

Imagine if the mints (places that "make" money - not the sweets) had security this lax? Everyone in the country would be a potential criminal. Mind you, the RIAA already think this, so...

Well I looked (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183440)

couldn't find nothing but "8-legged Freaks," FOTR renamed Two Towers, and FOTR renamed Two Towers in Catonese with Mandarin subtitles.

Damn it.

Who wants to watch it anyway ? (3, Insightful)

theefer (467185) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183441)

I'm one of those guys who is buying a DVD player partly because of the LOTR DVD, who spends some time reading a Quenya (elvish) course. But I suppose the question concerns most of us.

Who the hell would like to view an unfinished, probably mostly-SFX-free, score-free, unperfect version of the Two Towers ?

I want to watch it in the better conditions possible, not a shitty tiny pre-alpha version. I would watch that even if I was forced to. This is just ridiculous.

Cinema is art. You don't steal somebody's unfinished painting just to have a peak at it before anybody else, do you ? Let's wait for the final, fully worked movie. That's what we are wainting for.

This is a lie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183448)

There is no release of LOTR the two towers, none. Just a piece of gossip that could be true but no one bothered to verify

4 months... (1)

RebelTycoon (584591) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183450)

Well we'll just have to show them how much we like it by going and giving them another $250,000,000 in its run, and twice that in DVD rentals...

Of course some people won't see the movie.. But then there are people like me who own the DVD, saw the movie, bought the books, etc.

You have my cash... Now let me have a peak!

Umm (5, Informative)

ChrisJones (23624) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183453)

I just looked on KaZaA, and tbh I don't see squat that could be TTT. Sure there are lots of dickheads pretending to have it, but you only have to hover the mouse over the file and it'll pop up with some meta information about the film, which in most cases says "Eight Legged Freaks" or "Spiderman".
I kinda get the feeling that Matt Drudge has been taken on a leeeeetle wild goose chase.
That is, unless anyone can reliably confirm that they have downloaded it and it is the real thing (something I seriously doubt, I would expect it to still be in post production at 4 months from release).

Re:Umm (1)

dollargonzo (519030) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183500)

didn't they film all three films at once? this would mean that they are NOT in post production but just waiting to be realease.

What LOTR::TTT? (1)

nojayuk (567177) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183454)

Peter Jackson is still cutting and chopping at the version of The Two Towers movie he's planning to release in December. He's well known as a fiddler, unable to finish the damn thing and push it out the door. Whatever's on the Net right now isn't going to be what's on the screen in December.

I'm also suspicious that nobody in the Drudge article claims to have actually seen this download. There *are* copies of the camcordered TTT trailer circulating; this has never been officially released, and was only shown in cinemas around March-April this year. Some of it (but not all) appears on the extras DVD of the Fellowship Of The Ring. Maybe that's what's causing all the panic. We'll see.

What do you call.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183460)

a large number of *BSD boxes? a CEMETERY!

if it's not on (1)

j1mmy (43634) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183471)

it's not out. end of story.

Re:if it's not on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183476)

isonews sucks compared to other private sites, but it's not on there either.

BTW fuck you slashdot 20 seconds what the fucke veryone has to write a fucking essay?

Good test case (1)

thud2000 (249529) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183473)

OK, so by the time The Two Towers hits your local multiplex, it will have been on the net for four months. It will be interesting to see how the box office is affected. LOTR stuff is prime geek bait, so you know that a large contingent of people with a nerdish bent will be scouring the net trying to find it. And these people would be the same ones lining up outside the theater in December. So let's see how the numbers add up when the movie is released.

We will punish EVERYONE! (3, Funny)

Ride-My-Rocket (96935) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183478)

Even thought we have no idea a) where this trailer is available for download, b) how to legally obtain the names of individuals who DO download the trailer, and c) whether the information is legit or not.

Actually, I don't really have any desire to see a crappy copy beforehand. The first film was good enough that I'd like the full-on experience of seeing it in the theater. But I will go ahead and see if I can find the trailer somewhere, just for kicks.

No TTT out on the net - this is all bull (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183486)

There are bunch of morons pushing files around the lame P2P systems claiming to be The Two Towers.

None of these is the real deal. The movie is *not* out there making rounds. Heck, I doubt it's even finished & edited yet. Anyone with any connections in this part of the warez scene knows it.

Slashdot messes up again...

Then again if these morons pushing fakes have caused few movie execs to pee in their pants, I guess some good has come out of it...

Their problem (1)

terrencefw (605681) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183488)

I can see it's another case of the media industry blaming the innocent for their screw-ups. They need to be looking closer to home to see who leaked it.

I suppose they'll be wittering on about how it's lost them $1,000,000,000,000 in revenue too. I think the opposite. If anything it'll bring more people into the cinemas because people will have seen it at home and will want to see it on the big screen. There's no such thing as bad publicity. Same goes for CDs I think. If I get an MP3 track and I like it, I go buy the album. If I don't then I won't. Win-win situation. If only they could see it.....

New business-model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183491)

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Warez the two towers.
4: Profit!

P2P is just technology, not good or bad... (4, Informative)

3seas (184403) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183494)

But the real criminals are those responsible for initially putting it on the web.

And the fact of the matter is.....Most people won't download it and t ones that do
will only cause a spreading oif the word as to whether or not it's a good movie.

Hmmmm, how much money could be saved in mass marketing if replaced with the word of
mouth die hard big file swapers?

Already debunked. It's a fake (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4183501)

The One Ring Net []

Rumour That TTT is on the Internet Appears False

The Drudge Report [] has reported a rumour that
The Two Towers is already available on the internet. WinMX and Kazaa carry
several files purporting to be some version of the film, however they all
appear to be fakes. Thanks to Sir Mordred, Moses and several other Barliman's
chatters for helping me check these files out.

Why is it.... (2)

ChaoticCoyote (195677) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183505)

...that some people here can cheer the theft of intellectual property like movies and music, while viciously attacking perceived violations of the GPL and "little guy" property?

I smell hypocrisy.

get them!!! (1)

hummer357 (545850) | more than 12 years ago | (#4183507)

why not get the people who have the book of the film?? those could be real spoilers!!
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